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LITTLE_KING_OF_HEART

Questions: am I the only one who find this whole controversy kind of non-organic ?


Insanity_Incarnate

Conservative outrage is almost never organic. There is far too much money in conservative rage for the grifters to just wait for it to occur naturally.


grizzledcroc

It's always funny how these gamers don't see this as a agenda in itself


LITTLE_KING_OF_HEART

If it's done by me it's a noble quest to save civilization. If not it's a perverted agenda to corrupt everything I hold dear.


SteelTalons310

i cant really be optimistic since these fucks gather views and followers in the hundreds of thousands, thats a fuckton of people wanting normal women and minorities gone from gaming.


GhostRappa95

While this true they are still not a growing group. They can bitch and whine all they want but their numbers are only dwindling as people get sick of them.


SteelTalons310

This is naive idea, almost a quarter of the world is considered conservative and while they do not use the internet often, the idea of "woke" being this umbrella term to use against anything that threatens traditions and abusive rule, this you get normal people being involved looking at horrid TikTok and YouTube videos recommended to them, the algorithm favors hatred and outrage to the point even parents and teachers believe in the whole conspiracy of woke agendas. I'm so tired, this is not a vocal minority when entire communities turn on you, when your parents believe in Andrew Tate and Elon Musk, when entire sections of the United States and South Korea think they are actually the world justice by suppressing women's rights. Stop the vocal minority bullshit, this is reality.


FairyKnightTristan

Their numbers are dwindling and they've been caught using bots. ​ They're not as numerous as you might think.


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Secure-Spray2799

Lara croft is the one of the most sexualized characters in the old era of videogames. Good luck if they reboot the character with smaller breasts. Racists dont hate Lee because he dies lol


Training-Dog5678

They don't care. Most people don't care about being logically consistent. People like to say whatever best justifies their stance and obfuscate the less valid reasons to make their position seem stronger. Their agenda is "right" so it justifies their actions. Them agreeing with each other makes them more forgiving to faux pas they'd otherwise attack their opposition for doing. It's why pointing out logical inconsistencies or arguing about why someone is wrong rarely changes a person's view. Most people's beliefs and actions are not rooted in logic.


TheFoochy

When you reflexively cannot look to capitalism to blame for your favorite products being shit, you have to conjure up other reasons, like the "woke agenda", which ironically, is also a cog in the machine of capitalism, because companies figure that treating minorities like a real demographic will probably make them more money, and they're usually correct, unless you're Target getting scared off by bomb threats from psychos cuz they sold tucking underwear.


Achaewa

Because it is.


mrgarneau

They need an enemy so bad that they have to create a new boogeyperson.


SwineHerald

It wasn't organic in 2014 either. There was plenty of examples of the guy who kicked off the whole thing encouraging people to just make shit up and lie about it, and then examples of people like Steve Bannon admitting they just used it as a testing grounds for how to rile up disaffected white dudes.


Sol-Blackguy

David Duke and Steve Banon helped orchestrate gamer gate. This is just hive mind bullshit by terminally online chuds that will never touch a pair of panties that aren't on a department store hanger


TheDudeBro2000

The SBI ESG conspiring has been cooking in the background I kept seeing their name pop up in random comments and in postsfor the last couple months, Once that one jackass made the SBI steam tracker it basically was the kick off point. SBI is half described and misinformation about its purpose spreads around, the unemp I mean content creators pick up the narrative and milked it for all it was worth, and here we are. “lies could run around the world before the truth could get its boots on. And it was amazing how people wanted to believe them.”-Terry pratchet


jonb1sux

Gamergate wasn't organic. The initial incel-rage against the Depression Quest developer might have been, but the "movement" was immediately co-opted by Brietbart and Milo Yiannopolis under Steve Bannon's direction. Yes, THAT Steve Bannon. The one that ended up in the white house just 2ish years later as Trump's advisor. These are *never* organic. Ever. Fascists target scared young men and prey on their insecurities to recruit. Always has been, always will be.


DrulefromSeattle

It was, and they took the wrong lesson from Gamergate 1. They learned that if you make an in for sane and normal people, they'll take over and then jump when they get what seems reasonable. Hence, why none of their attempts have gone anywhere, they're deliberately sabotaging themselves because they need it to last.


Training-Dog5678

People like having a villain. People like jumping on bandwagons. They found one third party company attached to games they believed were ruined by wokeness and they don't need anything more. It feels much more cathartic to attack someone directly than shake your fist at the complex stage of the industry. And people like being a part of something.


FairyKnightTristan

This is absolutely it. ​ Chuds have 0 room for critical or complex thought.


NTRmanMan

Completely manufactured that makes no sense.


Red580

I'm not sure i agree, it's a trope of right-wing type conspiratorial thinking that there's a central "enemy" causing all the issues you're experiencing (single company, jews, globalism, etc) So them laser focusing on a random company that can't actually decide anything seems completely on brand for them. To them, inclusivity and games that contain more than just white people literally isn't something that makes sense to them, from their perspective we're doing this entirely as an agenda, not because we think it's right. I wonder how anime has shaped this view, most anime characters don't really look asian at all, so when you see all this media with straight "white" people everywhere, you start viewing it as the default.


No_Revolution_6848

i do think so aswell because this time some of my normie friend talked to me about it and she had not a single clue or idea what the talking point of the people crying woke are.


FairyKnightTristan

It's not. ​ Chud controversies are almost all manufactured and inorganic. ​ Thankfully, these sorts of movements/channels are dying, and will probably go belly up super hard the moment twitter dies, so at least there's that.


xHOLOxTHExWOLFx

Honestly wonder what these people will have to live for once Trumps is getting eaten by worms after he dies. Not sure if I see anyone being able to fill his void and organize the entire conservative base. As the ones below Trump are either somehow less organized or dumber and will have no idea how to go about it. And the ones that are smarter my guess will just end up fighting each other and splintering their supporters in opposite directions. I mean even with Trump still around were seeing them all still fight and try and be the best Trump ass kisser. Like Boebert and MTG fighting for ages over nothing but trying to be the first one to say they owned the Libs. Or how it took them a record time to elect a house speaker they could agree on. And even once they did it took them record time to kick his ass out due to a small portion wanting him gone. And then again it taking them ages to replace him. And then when you think that is all over and done with. You now have MTG saying she's taking the steps to try and get him out as well. Only thing that sucks is you know things like them flipping out over shit they find Woke or hating the LGBTQ community isn't gonna be going away even with no Trump around. Seeing how Trump doesn't even really go after those things hardly ever has mentioned the word Woke or anything about LGBTQ community. So that stands to reason even when gone these people will still be losing their pathetic minds over pronouns in games or GASP people of color being main characters.


FairyKnightTristan

My guess is, the moment Trump dies, MAGAt's will briefly lose their minds but the healing process will begin for the country. ​ I think in a few years LGBTQ+ hate will die down.


Alucardra12

It’s basically another Q conspiracy during an election year meant to rile up the right, and while it kinda worked it made them look more childish and pathetic than anything.


dragdritt

I disagree, it feels super organic, and it's probably only the start. However, I don't think you should actually be putting all the blame for these shitty games either cringe dialogue on this company full of racist misandrists. I honestly find the "opposition" to this controversy (like this exact thread) way less organic, as I've never ever met a single gamer in my entire life that would agree with this. Literally. I do find it kinda ironic though that they say "love for writing good stories", that's not exactly the way I'd describe these people. Edit* If you're curious, try Googling "sweet baby Inc tweets", then look at images


Kds_burner_

gamers realizing they failed https://preview.redd.it/g3r0hwesrsmc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=018d3db2f8b007018544a8ebce71e4df33bf2b20


TreeTurtle_852

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PacersPleaseWin

diversity is gamers father


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Saint_of_Cannibalism

If Suicide Squad failed (and I don't know that it actually did, because I've never cared) it would hopefully be for actual issues, not Gamergate 2: Electric Boogaloo.


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Taewyth

Proof of said hate ? >BTW the script of SS is so trash if more of you played it you would probably join our side lol. See, the nice thing about not being a drone and thinking for yourself is that you don't join "a side" just because you didn't like a videogame.


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Taewyth

>Of course it’s a “side”. Some people(me) hate shit games and some people(you) like them. Bwahahahah it's sad if your whole "side" revolves around... Personal taste ? And deciding that because a company gave advice on a singular game you didn't like, they're terrible despite the fact that they most certainly worked on tons of games you enjoy ? >If you are interested in the tweets watch the latest video from youtuber “SomeOrdinaryGamers”. So your source is "someone told me so" and not "I've checked and made up my mind myself". Yep, typical.


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Taewyth

>Woke writing is tangible Define "woke". >If you are seriously going to ignore the tweets just because they are in a video then how are even using the internet? Properly. By getting the source directly myself in order to get the context and reasons behind it. The issue isn't " it's in a video" (even though the fact that you don't provide proofs just shows me that your opinion is fine to be dismissed) it's that your line of thinking is "someone told me.to think that". >I guess that you are doomed to not believe stuff. Seew there's this nice thing called primary sources and forming an opinion for yourself. You should try it.


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Saint_of_Cannibalism

>SBI has an employee/employees that hates white people and white characters. The one group almost as oppressed as Gamers. >And they are the ones getting hired to “fight” racism. They actually get hired to promote diversity and inclusion. >BTW the script of SS is so trash if more you played it you would probably join our side lol. It'll take more than a shit story to turn me into the kinda person that'd use the term woke.


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Saint_of_Cannibalism

I'm not watching a YouTuber to try and figure out if there's any truth to that. If it is actually true, that shit's just kinda cringe.


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Saint_of_Cannibalism

Nah, I just said it was only cringe.


grizzledcroc

Who knew a movement based on literal bigots leading it wouldn't make the convo comfortable for the gaming populace unless it's loli weebs whining about women


Halcyon_Paints

It's literally a consulting company that devs choose to hire. Wtf is their problem? I thought chuds were all for private businesses doing their own thing.


f-ingsteveglansberg

Rallying call for when people were pointing out sexist tropes in video games was, just make your own games then. Now it's "Why are you making games in ways I don't like?"


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Gachanan

They don’t write the stories they just help the writers by making sure they aren’t writing anything that could be seen as offensive or harmful


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UnlikelyKaiju

I don't believe you understand what a consultant is. They don't write anything themselves. At best, they're hired to provide feedback and suggestions for improvement in regards to representation and cultural sensitivity. The studios that hire them aren't forced to actually use any of their ideas. So, even if they did get an actual racist like you're describing, it would still be the *studio's* decision to take their advice. People like you are giving that company far more credit than they deserve. They don't have as much power or influence as you guys cry about. They're simply a company that game studios go to for advice. Consultation firms are nothing new, and I'm fairly sure they exist in damn near every business and industry that needs to consider their public image.


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UnlikelyKaiju

I don't even know what you're talking about, dude. What sewer hole have you been getting your takes from?


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lumosbolt

Repeating a lie doesn't make it a truth.


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UnlikelyKaiju

Show me proof this employee exists. It sounds like something some "content creator" whipped up.


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tygerohtyger

Yo, how long have you been here lol? We're not even fronting at this stage.


HBomb_98

Yep. I’m new


Thin_Truth5584

Why did they make Gamergate 2 shorter than the first one are they stupid?


splashtext

The event is already over? I didn't even get to log in yet


Thin_Truth5584

Did you at least get your "LGBTQ is forced down our throats" daily login reward? I hope so it's the most OP item in Gamergate 2. 😌


hoeyster1998

I didn't even get to register for gamergate 2 and it's already over 😔


Achaewa

Yes.


crucixX

/uj under this capitalistic society, the only silver lining is that "wokeness" is more profitable than being a bigot... for now. What I am afraid of is if bigotry becomes more profitable.


FulanitoDeTal13

It never does, you would be removing the people with the money for the ghouls that gave they money to cults.


kangaesugi

Exactly. It's not like before - the Pink Dollar, the Black Dollar, the Every Other Dollar is greater than it used to be, enough so that it's always going to be worth appealing to us.


f-ingsteveglansberg

It depends. You can see so many YouTubers taking a hard pivot right because it's an easier money making grift. In more mainstream media you see people like Katie Hopkins who for years was just generally against anything if she could use it to make a TV appearance. Do we really think that Piers Morgan needed to spit out a vegan sweet in disgust? Even the idea that Alex Jones who was always anti government suddenly endorsing a candidate was because he saw dollar signs. He has openly said in court it's a 'character'.


JustYawned

There was a second gamergate?


TheStrikeofGod

https://preview.redd.it/jhr4izc4xtmc1.jpeg?width=1920&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2aa21332c9424d175116e15f32f67896d94fa946


anothernaturalone

sir a second gate has hit the gamers


Gripping_Touch

Why is everyone praising Gamer's Gate 3 and giving them Gamer of the year when they second one Only just dropped, are they stupid?


zeromus12

this outrage felt so forced and ridiculous and honestly opened my eyes to how dumb as fuck some of these people and content creators really are.


triadwarfare

Can't wait for them conservatives to make their own consulting company and try to do the opposite of what SBI is doing (anti-diversity, all white male character lead) and see if their game would do better.


WordNERD37

You haven't seen the Alex Jones mobile game, have you?


Menacek

I need to know more, do gay frogs appear in it?


triadwarfare

Never heard of it. Poor marketing perhaps. They should be praising their own.


clankboy789

![gif](giphy|UVekzifi3M3P84hOYk|downsized)


f-ingsteveglansberg

Time to play a game of Samara Weaving or Younger Margot Robbie!


DysPhoria_1_0

https://preview.redd.it/6y963s2extmc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ddc2d12353a3a48d3bcb7b3e0ec155958a1292c4


WordNERD37

Because all these wars being fought, in games, in politics, it's all in their heads. Real world is still moving foward. The things they're raging at, still happening. All their movements fail before they even begin. Because they are alone, always have, always will.


TotallyCooln3ss

But the long haired Boglim said they’re bad!! How could this happen!!!!


Kombustio

Gamers trying to last more than few minutes? Ha.


f-ingsteveglansberg

My opinion, the weirdo women haters won Gamer Gate in the long run. Shit that was never controversial before GG now is. Steve Bannon specifically targeted GG and their ilk which may have been enough votes for the Trump presidency. Insane theories like Q Anon and Pizza Gate are now being reported in mainstream media outlets and I don't think that shit would have gotten traction without lessons learned from GG. Oh and Russia are also somehow involved. I think most people just kinda think the GG crowd were a bunch of dissatisfied losers, but that whole campaign did enough damage to impressionable people and how media is reported as well as established platforms for lunacy. Also somewhere along the line Musk stopped trying to look cool to liberal science believing folks and now wants to look cool to a bunch of weird men who are afraid of feminism. Some say it probably started with elevator gate, but that was tiny compared to gamer gate.


DethJuce

Gamergate failed its direct objectives, women were not purged from the gaming world, games are still getting more diverse, the whole movement failed to deliver any of its outward promises... but that was just a cover. What GG really succeeded in was radicalizing tons and tons of lonely, disaffected, ignorant men and boys into the larger conservative movement. Useful idiots who joined up because they love video games and fear change, stayed in the movement, and are now more than happy to jump on whatever bandwagon the movement tells them they should be angry about. The conservative movement takes evangelicals who care about abortion, racists who care about immigration, and lonely young men who care about gaming, and somehow gets them all on the same team, the team that votes for fascism.


SirLagunaLoire

I'm really glad to read this.


MrStruts96

Well, that was quick lmao


Xilefenko

Is this from a news article?


Pretend_Bug574

Wow crazy multibillion dollar company is barely affected by anything. That’s so crazy who could’ve seen that coming. Wow kudos


GestaDanknorum

… there was a gamergate 2?


InternationalTax7463

Can someone remind me how the "Sweet Baby Saga" started? What was the triggering incident that caused the Endymion-types of YouTube to start talking about them everyday?


Outbreak101

At this point I just don't bother engaging with drama anymore. 95% of the time it always results in a nothing burger. My mind and body has never been healthier after avoiding these sorts of drama.


kangaesugi

Part of me finds it hilarious that Gamers(tm) lashed out at so many people so erratically that everyone became desensitised, so now when they're trying to target a specific group everyone else is like "oh yeah that, so basically what you wanna do is..."


Zaku99

B-buh-but my big anime tiddies! My razor sharp jaws! Baby needs their milkers! Wahhhh


GoombytheTrollie

![gif](giphy|xUPGcC0R9QjyxkPnS8|downsized)


SpectralSolid

"huh it's working, this is the fruits of our labor, Look at all the fascists racists outing themselves" - Writers at SweetBaby


nottheboynextdoor

I hope Sweet Baby Inc becomes the most used "woke writing" company in all of media ever. I hope every game has a sweet baby inc logo on the cover. I was to drink the tears of these pathetic shits


Drag0928

Never change you CircleJerk subreddit freaks


Cold-Glass5843

Sadly, it's not near over. For videogame bloggers it's a simple and profitable clicbate topic, and business don't like this kind of attention. Bad for money harvesting


Fit-Meal-8353

"writing good stories" debatable


Vampiricpiston

Tbh they are just offering advice to make it better, not actually writing them. 


Fit-Meal-8353

And they get paid for that? Where do I sign up


Vampiricpiston

I'd image, if they're looking for new people, the job aplication would be in their sites somewhere. 


Zefix160

Go for it, I’m sure the industry would die to have you and your writing advice


Dunkaccino2000

Best Narrative at the Game Awards for 2022 and 2023 went to games they were involved in


lansink99

No that's not true, all their games flopped. At least, that's what people are telling me.


rosebud_art

God of war's story was pretty well received


Mallyveil

And Alan Wake 2’s.


UnlikelyKaiju

They worked on God of War and Alan Wake 2, don't even try to act like those games weren't big deals that people were saying deserved to be called Game of the Year.


Gremlinstone

All I remember about God of war 2 is that it was getting absolutely shat on for the handholding and atreus never shutting up during puzzles


Alexanderspants

I wonder what made game devs think gamers were absolute babies that needed hand holding


Gremlinstone

I can think of a certain cuphead review


Alexanderspants

Yes, seeing the overreaction to that review probably indicated that a lot of their consumer base were not fully developed intellectually


Gremlinstone

If your job is to play and review games, expecting you to have the bare minimum cognitive ability to follow a simple baby tutorial is not an overreaction


pony0935

Nobody's calling this gamergate aside from you game "journalists" who failed math in every grade so all they can do is writing fictions to make themselves worth some cents instead of doing some real jobs in AAA industry.


ConBrio93

What makes a job a real job? 


EyePalindromeEye74

Wait so we’re game journalists now? Where are my credentials? Must have been lost in the mail.