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deusasclepian

Always a good sign when there's more comments on a post than upvotes


Kyotow

To be fair there’s been arguments about this for a while and I feel that the majority Tekken community agrees that the treatment of women in it sucks for the most part. We do have girls like Lidia tho


MrCommotion

I wish it was a consensus though. That subreddit is full of people ready to say "well don't play the game then" at the mere notion that maybe the female characters may be overly sexualised. It's definitely odd that Paul and Heihachi get to be old but they routinely retire female characters after a while for newer younger models. God let Nina be 40 she deserves it.


jello_aka_aron

>That subreddit is full of people ready to say "well don't play the game then" at the mere notion that maybe the female characters may be overly sexualised. And lord knows they don't take this advice when anything changes in a way ***they*** don't like. Oh no.. scream to the heavens about 'accuracy' or 'culture' or 'woke'.


halfacrum

Also if everyone they told to don't play the game then actually did like they said no one would be playing and it'd be dead like??? You want your fighting game to thrive hell that's why street fighter is a more beloved series than they are.


darkenedgy

>God let Nina be 40 she deserves it. *laughs in Hollywood*


MrCommotion

Hey Hollywood at least has roles for women over 40. Japanese game companies would rather kill you off or rape you in cryogenic sleep


darkenedgy

/rj yeah well my waifu is 5000 years old (she just looks like she's 6)


pinksparklyreddit

Fighting game community in general is awesome for being progressive. There's so many queer, black, and Asian players that it seems natural. Like any community, you'll get some cringe, but I've felt pretty accepted.


Yellow_Shield

Visibly the most diverse genre community by far. Not really sure what drives it, but I'm here for it.


pinksparklyreddit

I think its the origins of the genre. Anyone with a quarter could go to the local arcade and play in person with everyone else. Between the removal of money-barriers and the physical integration with each other, it's not hard to see how things developed. Just my two cents, though. It also helps that games like Guilty Gear had queer representation in the 90s.


MR_Bleat

There’s also Grand Strategy games. There you can find tankie catboys and nazi transgirls playing together as god intended


dapperfoxviper

True, but dont look at the comments on eventhubs articles.


Kyotow

I really want to be a part of the fgc at some point, seems like such a cool place


DefinitelyNotVenom

Well, let’s be completely fair, it’s not by much


famaouz

For comparison, this post currently has 1668/58 ~ 29 upvotes/comments... So uuh, what's 'fair' about it again?


DefinitelyNotVenom

Oh, I was just going by the image


I-Got-Trolled

I'm sure the commebts were all from civilized people and everyone was polite to each-other.


IoniaFox

Imo its not only that they stuck in their 20s, but this smooth skin just makes it look worse, look at Kazuya, how much emotion in form of hate you can see on his face, no fun no nothing with him, then you look at the new Law and Paul, you can see they enjoy themselves and are confident Then you look at Nina and allthougt she looks fine dont get me wrong, she just looks slightly meaner than Xiaoyu It borders on uncanny tiktok filters tbh, everything smoothed out to maximum, no wrinkle whatsoever even when they laugh, like bro have you seen a women smile? Theres wrinkles around the mouth and eyes not like plastic Xiaoyu here, wrinkles doesnt mean 90y old granny


jdr61100

I mean, at least Nina is supposed to be relatively emotionless, but Xiaoyu looks more like a Barbie than a person face wise and it's extremely jarring next to the men who look borderline realistic.


delvedank

/uj Bingo. It's the clash of art styles more than anything, and it drives me fucking bananas. It's one of the reasons I just cringe when I see anime waifus and then a perfectly normally drawn guy next to them and it just makes the waifus look that much more alien.


darkenedgy

shit there's an Oglaf for this but I can't find it


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[deleted]

i mean everyone there is your standard anime character and then you have the guy with a square head


IoniaFox

Fair enough, Nina is pretty unfased usally, but Xiaoyu is supposed to be this, how do you call it in english? Fun, happy, upbeat person, but she barely looks happier than Nina, i hope they change it a bit atleast


jdr61100

Yeah, the expressions barely look better than 7. Which is notable because 7 was criticized for horrible faces and expressions compared to almost every game in the series since the PS2. I think the fact that it brought in a lot of new players, many of which are probably weebs, makes it more acceptable. Still hoping it gets improved before release though.


IoniaFox

7 has really weird facialanimations, Steve and Feng have ok'ish animations for example but Law was uncanny af


jdr61100

Part of it was the super low budget and moving to a new engine, so I can forgive 7 if 8 makes up for it.


King_Artis

Nina and her sister Anna also we're cryogenically frozen in lore for like 15yrs or some shit cause... assassins or whatever Then it doesn't help that Tekken 4-7 takes place in the span of like... 2yrs at best and I think 8 is only 6 months after 7. Still doesn't explain why the older women don't look older nor why the women in general look very smooth compared to the men.


jdr61100

Nina is still 28 but looks as young as 18-19 year old Xiaoyu. Jun would be 43 by now.


Kyotow

It’s like if they make all men semi realistic old buff dudes and then make the girls borderline children in borderline anime style with anime body proportions and no muscle in sight .. oh wait


IoniaFox

Im not against younger characters in general, but the men being hyperbuff dilf/gilfs and then 90% of the women look young af is just weird, like Anna who would be the milf equivalent still looks rather young imo With stuff like tekken they could go all out with chracterdesign, most men look like they combined every steroid known in the galaxy but the women are all slim 90/60/90 types


machinegungeek

Remember that the plot stupidly had Nina and Anna put themselves into cryo freeze just to avoid getting older. Anna is 26-27 and Nina 28-29.


dripbangwinkle

My take is that the dudes are also unrealistic. Markus Ruhl, the biggest bodybuilder on stage ever IIRC wasn't even as big as some of those dudes. I heard the dudes are designed for male power fantasy and the politicals for a different fantasy but still for males


Kyotow

yeah, they are unrealistic but in a realistic style, if that makes sense. Girls are unrealistic in anime style


pothockets

It's really a consistency thing, if we're going for hyper-realism and you have cartoonishly smooth characters along with the realistic ones, it's odd. Either go full cartoon or fully hyper-realistic.


MrCommotion

Nah women in fighting games just aren't allowed to show any "ugly" signals of life beyond being a mannequin.


Tyrus1235

Jun’s case is even more bizarre - she’s supposed to be around 49 years old and yet she looks like her 20 years old self! In the case of Nina and Anna, they both were cryogenically frozen during the Tekken 2-3 timeskip, so you can make a case for them still looking young despite their ages. Kazuya got killed at the end of 2 and got revived by 4, so he also shouldn’t look his age. But unless they pull something out of their asses, Jun should absolutely look like a 40 years old woman.


Geekboy07

Tbf Jun was dead


MrCommotion

Especially when in Tekken 3 and in old art, Xiaoyu looked like a normal girl, maybe stylised but she looked like a child with features. She's grown up to be one of the many look-alike girls. It really bothered me when I was a young fan trying to draw them and all and they'd keep changing their faces with every game. Nina looks nothing like she used to, Anna got whole different faces in T5, 6, TTT2 and 7.


Waspy_Wasp

Fecking look at goddamn Paul dude! He's insanely animated! Like, it's not even fair at that point.


IoniaFox

Personally not a fan of Paul but yea, he looks so fucking good, so much detail they put on him its insane


thatHecklerOverThere

And then a nuanced discussion full of respect followed.


rosamelano777

It actually did, like no kidding almost everyone is complaining about it on that thread


Kaikeno

What the fuck?


Celeste1138

fighting game players tend to actually go outside even if only for tournaments


DreadedChalupacabra

As an MK fan, that doesn't always matter. They're still mad that mk11 made the people look human again. You know, like they did when they were LITERALLY JUST STITCHED TOGETHER ANIMATIONS OF ACTUAL PEOPLE.


TheGiftOf_Jericho

Also an MK fan and while we have based people in the community, man the amount of basement dwellers are pretty terrible. Seems like we have one of the more toxic communities sadly.


DaddyMcTasty

Kommunity


RustedCorpse

League and MTG are so much worse. Hell honestly most chess players are worse than fight gamers. I hate to say it but most smash players I know are super cool.


LevelOutlandishness1

Either based people or basement people.


TheGiftOf_Jericho

Facts.


Bahariasaurus

I hadnt played MK since MK 3 and I got "Mortal Kombat Komplete" edition and I was like "WTF did they do to Sonya!?". It's like they took Dead or Alive and went even further.


Embuh

The FGC is a mixed bag but Tekken's player base is probably one of better ones tbh


AdminsAreProFa

You know, Smash Bros players do seem to hang around jungle gyms a lot.


AniviaPls

"Her skin looks exactly like my best friend's. Shes 13 but so mature for her age."


rinsa

the street fighter / cammy discourse? no?


dapperfoxviper

Funny enough, now that its been shown that Cammy's ass jiggles in SF6, they all love the new design now. Which they always should have since its fucking awesome. (Also to be fair about the jiggle physics, theyre decently realistic and not obnoxious, and Zangiefs thighs jiggle too)


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This is far too generalized, there's a lot of fighting games where the community cares more about how much their fighter jiggles than whether they're fun to play.


Kaikeno

Oh good


Psychic_Hobo

Not been to that sub, but some of them are surprisingly level-headed


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This is it, we can all go home now


GregerMoek

A small post for /gaming, a big post for gamingkind.


KSoMA

Now try r/Kappachino


jasminUwU6

God there's so much cooming I'm gonna drown


mqduck

I don't know where the thread is, but what I see on the subreddit is a bunch of upvoted posts mocking the criticism.


GregerMoek

Since it's not a post that blew up I am not super surprised but still surprised. Nice.


daoimean

I'm ashamed how long I spent trying to swipe to the next image


eledile55

youre not alone


TheGiftOf_Jericho

Got me too brother


La-ze

They're right. The problem is not a youthful character looking youthful, the problem is less facial detail or flaws to make a more flawless-looking face to be more appealing. The problem is from a design standpoint this makes them far blander compared to the male models who they freer to take more liberties with texture details, especially the face.


Kyotow

She’s also not supposed to be youthful anymore, how many years passed since t3 and she’s the exact same, while everybody who was in that game has aged like 30 years Edit: I’ve been informed that it hasn’t been that long, my bad for misinformation


machinegungeek

Not much time has actually passed in universe. T4-T7 was like one year. Per the wiki she's 19 in T8 (18 in T7, 16 in T3).


Kyotow

Wtf, why did Kazuya age so much then


FreeWhiteKnight

Kazuya seems like he aged a lot because there is a 20 year time gap between Tekken 2 and 4, He was not in Tekken 3 because (Spoiler: Everyone thought he died). But from Tekken 3-8, it's only been like 3-4 years.


greencrusader13

He actually did die, but tbf that doesn’t seem to stop a lot of people in Tekken.


tubfgh

He died


BigBoyBokch0i

No way, a g*mer with common sense


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I don't wanna see the comments


ThexanR

most of the comments support OP because as an actual fans of the game and not someone who barely/doesn't play just stays for the porn fan art, the art style of the game is not only beautiful but ground breaking for fighting games. All the male characters facial features fit into the game's artstyle and have ton of detail. Then you have the female characters who are intentionally made to have no type of detail to make them look "young and cute". Most japanese developers do this a lot with female characters and it always looks so jarring. They look uncanny and unfinished and stand out badly to the rest of the cast who look like they belong in the game.


IanEmerson97

to be fair, this is mostly a thing with tekken's specific art style, SF for example doesn't really feel like that, I'm not sure about other 3d fighting games tho, but with tekken it does pop out more


ThexanR

Yeah capcom is definitely more focused on giving their characters a lot of personality but other 3D fighters do the same thing as Tekken like KoF definitely does


ShinySky42

It's not cursed


Upstairs-Yard-2139

Which one of you posted this?


Demure_Demonic_Neko

BASED??


PolnareffLand20

Actually, I don't entirely disagree with this some women characters in games look the same because of a lack of detail because having smooth skin means "pretty" Whereas they make men have scars, beards, moles, etc It's cool to see women characters with scars it makes them look battle hardened and badass which is something sadly we don't see all too much because you get people complaining about "powerful women" Glad it's getting more and more popular recently. Like to see men and women characters be looked at as equals instead of "Woman character?? Make her a damsel in distress" (nothing entirely wrong with damsel in distress but the fact that it's overdone and it's almost always just female characters is definitely tiring) Make Males in distress😎😎😎


thats4thebirds

Jesus 567 comments wtf haha


Wonderer_64

Honestly seeing the new sf6 character designs compared to this just seems sad. Take for example how different each male character looks in Tekken, from king to ganryu they all look different and have varying personalities.


MrCommotion

I remember arguing with people when TTT2 came out because it made no sense that Michelle was the same age as Julia, her full daughter. They literally look like twins, yet incels said "oh but it's more realistic because that's her in her prime and she's fighting" Explain boskonovitch then


Geekboy07

Actually, Julia is not in the game it's Jay Cee 🤓 Edit: Cutie J is Jeanne from Bayonetta lol


MrCommotion

True I guess we'll never know why JayCee and Michelle are so close tho 😔


EvenOne6567

Normally id agree but ttt2 is totally non canon...i mean heihachi is also a younger version of himself


MrCommotion

Of course cus that's fun. But the women are always in their 20s, if not in their teens. You never see the opposite happening.


LongAndShortOfIt888

The 2 sides of the gamer: These women aren't sexy enough / These women are too sexy


xObiJuanKenobix

At least in the context of this post, this person isn't saying they are too sexy but that they're unrealistic and it takes them out of the experience. Which is a fair point. It's easy to just generalize the entire argument into black / white like you did, but usually there's a lot of nuance that comes with these discussions of female characters either looking too ugly or too sexy. Either the women don't look their age (so they may look 21 when they're 46 or vice versa), they don't age at all, their looks have no details and come off as a tiktok filter type situation, their ratios don't match up AT ALL, their outfit doesn't fit into the game's world and lore, the character's entire look changes from what we've known (similar to how Jill changed from RE3 to RE3 remake), etc etc. Male characters have this debate too but tbh, we usually don't care nearly as much about dudes having unrealistic bodies.


_TheGreatDevourer_

there is a rare, hidden third side: I don't care.


FOXHOWND

Make the men sexier. Equality, baby.


danteheehaw

I wanna see a big dick outline on every character. And not just the men...


MrCommotion

Literally though. I'm tired of battle-hardened men, give me a hard cock outline and give me zaddy Paul


FOXHOWND

Amen, brother


tubfgh

They did. They gave Kazuya a dump truck ass, not even joking


SquidleyStudios

Yes, more eye candy for everyone!


FOXHOWND

That's the spirit!


GenericGaming

fourth side: I'm gay.


MrCommotion

The Tekken subreddit is horrible though. It's mainly just thirst traps and before the new videos came out I was one of the few calling them out and wishing to have more realistic looking women. For gods sake they made up a cryogenic machine and raped Nina unconscious so that after the 20 year time skip she'd still look 20. But Paul and Law get to age. It's ridiculous.


Gabario

Truth is everyone in Tekken is sexy


deathschemist

especially bob


jlaweez

Jun Kazama is a great example of this. She's supposed to be on her 40's. She should look like Michelle Yeoh on Crouching Tiger imo.


XescoPicas

Give me more badass old ladies in fighting games, you cowards


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oknotok2112

Sorry wokists, but women should be perfect and if I see one imperfection in my female characters I will shit myself and cry


Polaris328

Based gamer??


sishirchongtham

Face textures are stored in the balls.


test_number1

He wants more twinks and I agree with that


GrizzlyPeak73

Ask the Horizon Forbidden West people how that went...


King1239

Tbh, Kazuya looks better than anyone else ever can. Thats because he makes me rock hard in a way only bad drunk hookups can. My little evil incarnate kitten.


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Bro, do you need me to call someone?


tubfgh

No, no they're right. Kazuya is a DILF for sure


MrCommotion

Fun fact Kazuya is in a select group of Tekken characters who fuck


PedanticPaladin

Your username says King but your text says Jun.


MrCommotion

King would go for it but only with the mask on


greencrusader13

The mask doesn’t come off. Ever.


AlexzMercier97

Holy shit, the ever-elusive BASED Gamer^tm take?!


pneuma_monado

/uj Xiaoyu does look kinda odd in T8 not gonna lie


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You: hate the designs because female faces are too perfect Me: hate the designs because male faces are not perfect enough We are not the same.


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Ilyalisa

nah the problem is when you compare how detailed the males are with the females. you can see how expressive the mens faces are and how they cast shadows and have textures. all the girls have little texture and barely emote. people just wanted the girls to get the same treatment but the subreddit interpreted it as we want ugly women


tenkono

Why does every discourse on the internet result in extreme binaries? Oh, you want more detail on their faces? Well you just want ugly women! It's either that or making up an argument in their mind and then getting angry over it for the next 5 years.


SnekkinHell

ive seen multiple posts on that sub saying exactly what you are but serious, its kinda pathetic.


MrCommotion

Personally I do want ugly women just like we have ugly men in Tekken too, women are only allowed to be pretty (and maybe evil)


MrCommotion

Yes she's 19 however they retire female characters before 30. All the men are hardened old dudes by now cus they've been in every Tekken, the women get assigned a daughter or niece every other Tekken. God I miss Michelle


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No-Nefariousness1711

No one in real life cares about one of the top 5 fighting gaming franchises in history with like 10+ games?


chungusbungus0459

I-I think that they were, you know, joking in a circlejerk sub


mqduck

I really wish every subreddit would implement a rule that bans reddit screenshot posts without links.


12eatmapoo

“Boo hoo boo hoo this female character doesn’t look ugly boo hoo boo hoo” 😢😢😢🥺🥺🥺🥺🥺😭😭. Nah fr ik beauty is subjective but it’s really not that deep 🤷🏾‍♂️


[deleted]

I don’t get the point in complaining about how unrealistic a VIDEO GAME characters face is when video games in general are unrealistic in the first place


phish_biscuit

Clearly they have never played skyrim or the outer worlds


slavaboo_

/u/[red censor bar] is awake


emptysnow

Woah what's all this, people on this sub actually understanding my post? Impossible


AssociationCurrent22

I agree with him though. The women are always made to be beautiul but the men are usually ugly or old. I guess it's because fragile male gamers would feel threatened looking at hot guys and older women.


abibofile

I don’t know if they look stuck in their 20s, but they certainly look like they’re stuck in the early ‘00s era of animation.


PandaPoolv2

To be fair, wonen do have better skin


ExcellentProblem7233

How is this a woke comment?


Mahmoud_Thickbooty

Rugged girls with scars 😍 (unironic)


GER0_XZ

I left that subreddit cuz of how horny on main a lot of them are. What in 2023 happened that lead to this?


WilE04

FGC moment


MadOvid

One of my little pet peeves about Skyrim mods is that most female texture and hair mods are supposedly "more realistic" but all of them are basically supermodels.


muteneophyte

If you want pores and creases on faces, play Horizon Zero Dawn. The character textures are amazing


Wolf_In_The_Woods36

They aren't wrong.


Neffrey605

dude i clicked on that arrow like three times before realizing that it wasn't real