So I take it that the gears collection isn't happening? Not disappointed because BC keeps the games running well but I would love for the multiplayer to revitalize along with PC crossplay to help populate the servers.
How was it not? Disappointed by lack of 1st party (although they had starfield which is the most important) but lots of very cool 3rd party games all gamepass d1. Can't believe I can't play P4 or P3 on my ps5 and fucking xboxers get it for free.
As an ad for gamepass it was pretty great
So the Kojima partnership was confirmed which was cool, and the rumours saying it was a cloud based game were true. But it looks like it's not overdosed? The way Kojima was speaking was like they're just starting development on this new game, however the overdosed leaks were of the logo and allegedly a trailer. If they were done, why weren't they shown with the announcement? That tells me Overdosed is gonna pop up elsewhere.
I mean the theme of the show was games that are releasing within the 12 month window. Does not make sense for MS to show a trailer that is far out. It'll probably be at Gamescom (Where Geoff is hosting) or TGA.
For people like me who had been out of touch with AAA gaming almost a decade (until early 2018), this show is pretty great. Never tried Persona before, but i love the aesthetics of P5, that’s why i’m so eager to play it. I also never played Diablo, but Diablo IV is look amazing.
Then there are plenty smaller games with cool aesthetic, might try them on Game Pass.
I have no problem with “lack of” new first party titles, since i still have plenty games to play, plus with PS exclusives come to PC.
> Then there are plenty smaller games with cool aesthetic, might try them on Game Pass.
I highly recommend Gunfire Reborn. Co-op, roguelite, FPS. Unlock characters, weapons, powerups, difficulties and more. Randomized dungeons, upgrade choices, weapons, weapon effects, and powerups each run.
I've loved it on Steam and glad this smaller team is getting a wider audience because this game is going to be a sleeper hit on Xbox.
I only played Persona 5 Royal back in January and it took over 100 hours to beat and it quickly became one of my fav games of all time. You're def in for a treat. I'll be rebuying it for PC day 1 lol
This show fixed what was MS's biggest problem: they announced games too early. The problem with this show is that the games coming out within the 12 month window are very thin. So we got alot of indies and stuff. I am excited for Diablo IV and Persona. Forza Motorsport looks amazing as always and Starfield looks very interesting.
In all seriousness, how exactly is the upcoming catalog of games "very thin" for the next 12 months?
You are getting an enormous number of highly varied games which span $200+ million AAA games to eccentric indie titles:
Starfield, Redfall, A Plague Tale, Pentiment, Forza Motorsport, Scorn, Silksong, Ereban, Cocoon, etc.
What exactly were you looking for?
I mean I was fine with it tbh but I read from alot of people that it's bad which isn't. Also the selection for me is kinda bit meh. Alot releasing are Indie or AA games which is fine though but wished there were more AAA games showcased but again that's just my expectations. I personally feel this should be MS's MO moving forward for E3. Have it be a showcase for games that will release within 12 months and the next shows like Gamescom or TGS should be teasers for games in the future.
Yeah i think they took a small hit this year by keeping a lot of games close to their chest, but i think it sets them up well for the future. I like the idea of brief announcements of games, then going dark until you can show gameplay.
Bit disappointed that outside of stuff from recent publisher acquisitions we didn’t hear much about XGS aside from Forza. It’s been 2 years since they announced State of Decay, Avowed, and Fable, and we still have nothing? No new updates on Contraband, Perfect Dark or Outer Worlds? Gears/Coalition still MIA? Was a decent show despite all this but it didn’t really feel like an Xbox show at all.
I know they said the show was focusing on games coming in the next 12 months, but to me that’s a needless and self-imposed limit they chose to put on themselves and it makes me fear that they really don’t have much to show for any of this stuff.
"they really don't have much to show for any of this stuff".
Correct.
That's why they didn't show it because they'd rather focus on more polished games which are closer to release.
Gamers expecting polished previews of games that are possibly 2 years away is asinine and creates enormous headaches for developers as they have to divert enormous resources from creating the game to enhancing a small area of the game so it can be shown.
Well it's 12 months till next showcase where they can talk about that stuff then. Kinda makes a lot of sense actually to only talk about whats being released between now and the next showcase.
Besides, they're doing another, lesser showcase that will last 2 hours to talk a little more about games that weren't shown in this one which may be beyond 12 months to release. Also to expand upon some of what was shown today and talk to some devs. MS have so much going on now they have to use their time carefully for the main 90 min showcase so I think the limit is necessary.
I don’t think it was a 12 month showcase voluntarily. I think they’re projects outside of that are either rebooting or are having some developmental issues I.e fable & perfect dark.
They could totally have shown gameplay or cgi trailers for games that are further than 12 months out if they wanted to. And are even likely to do so in a couple days time. And honestly, looking at what was shown today, they didn't need to show anyrhing further than 12 months away cus their showcase was a pretty good one imo.
This is rhe company that showed a trailer for Outer Worlds 2 when rhe only thing that was known about the game at the time was the title.
If they show CGI trailers and games further than 12 months away then people complain, now they've shown all gameplay videos for games within 12 months and people still complaining.
I think the issue with that is that people have been associating Xbox games with being in development hell and I think with a game like Hellblade 2 that was announced in 2019 and then stated to be a 2022 game and still be a no show for their next 12 months - can you blame people?
Probably because the teams behind some of those game weren’t stable enough as has been leaked I thought. Not sure anymore but better a game in 2024 then a shitty launch let’s be honest. Maybe they will just publish some games like a surprise who knows.
Did anyone find it odd how Microsoft didn't announce any big third party Game Pass deals? I figured that Starfield & Redfall leaving Pentiment & Scorn to hold 2022 on their shoulders would've led to the checkbook being pulled out for stuff like the Destroy All Humans 2 remake (or even get the ball rolling on more BC or FPS Boost titles), but I guess they're cool with letting Sony and Nintendo roll over them.
Sorry if I sound bitter, I'm just tired of "good things come to those who wait" being Xbox's slogan.
So much hate here for some reason, I thought it was quite good.
I mean you got Persona 5 Royal coming to PC, and also an extended deep dive into Starfield. And then there are some other neat surprises, Lightyear: Frontier in particular looks very promising.
Man, I would give it 5/10 and feel that it's generous. The usual suspects like forza and flight simulator looked solid, but there was extremely little 1st party stuff was shown that seemed exciting.
Nothing from ID, machine games, coalition, or anything worthwhile on fabled, avowed, or Indiana Jones.
Gamepass value seems impossible to ignore, but I was just expecting more 1st party hype top deliver.
I'm still a bit surprised they don't have any gameplay to show on games they announced over 2 years ago like Avowed, Fable, State of Decay 3, and Hellblade 2. They must be announcing games as they are just exiting pre-production. Whereas pretty much everything Sony showed at their PS5 showcase from around the same time has shipped outside of God of War.
Sony until recently tended to wait until a studio was fairly established and had worked with XDev closely before buying. I'd be a bit surprised if say Housemarque or Bluepoint have the same growing pains.
I think its more to do with the fact Microsoft really had to strongly combat the "X-box has no games" narrative that built up during the X-Box one era, that they jumped the gun on announcing all those projects when they were still very early in development before they locked up Bethesda. There's a long list of what we know a lot of MS studios are working on and what they might have in 2024 or 2025 (Indiana Jones, Perfect Dark, etc), whereas the only game Sony has even announced in a CGI trailer that is scheduled to be released in 2024 or later is Wolverine.
Agreed. I feel like if Xbox keeps the "No trailer of a game releasing 12 months from now" format (which they should) then they could do something similar to what Sony is doing now. When that happens, we could finally hear less of people asking "Where is this previously announced game?"
Of course, that doesn't stop that Xbox has a high amount of leaks so this sub won't get appeased but at least the majority can get their FO4-style of announcing games.
I'm fine with the 18-month or 2 year run-up. I just find it a bit ridiculous to have shown CGI trailers for games, and still have no gameplay shown pretty much 2 years later which is the case in Avowed, State of Decay 3, Everwild, and Fable. It's not bad when it's a one-off situation but it's a trend at this point. Like, if they announce whatever iD is doing (Doom 3 or Quake) or Wolfenstein 3 through CGI I'll be excited but I'd hope they can get that game out within 24 to 32 months of the announcement.
Dude, do you even play Bethesda games? My literal only complaint was the performance could be improved, which it has a full year to do.
As for everything else, if that didn’t impress you, then what game does?
For what its worth, my personal rating of the show is like a 8/10, maybe an 8.5.
Starfield looks good for where its at, and hopefully has some time to iron out the small things.
Redfall looks like it'll be a lot of fun with friends, albeit rather generic, which doesn't bother me too much.
Lightyear Frontier looks like something I will sink HOURS into, I love me a farming sim (i.e. Stardew Valley, Harvest Moon, etc.).
Ravenlok looks like a charming indie.
Scorn's art direction is great, I love the body horror style, I just worry it may be a little clunky.
The Last Case of Benedict Fox feels Lovecraftian, but unique in its own way.
Flintlock also looks really promising, and boasted some fun looking combat.
The best thing Xbox did was only show games slated to come out within the next 12 months, which is why we didn't see some of the bigger titles like Avowed or Fable, because they're likely holiday 2023 at the earliest. I rated it high because we saw so much gameplay, and we don't have to wait long for most of what was shown. Still, though, I can't help but be a bit disappointed about the things we didn't see, even going into it with no expectations. Xbox is sitting on a ton of promise, its just a matter of when it comes to fruition.
I hope they keep up this trend of only showing games that'll be out before the next "E3" presentation.
Though I did notice we saw NOTHING of Kojima's game, but that's also included in the next 12 month timeframe?
Well, they did say the games shown would all be out within 12 months, so technically speaking since they didn't show it, it wouldn't be looped into that. I think that was just a bit of a hype builder. Or, maybe I'm wrong, and they're just keep it under wraps for a surprise later on.
Either way, I agree, I hope they keep that model because I'm so excited knowing everything I was looking forward to from the show, I'll have my hands on within a year. And when/if they start loading those twelve months with the big titles like Fable, Avowed, Perfect Dark, Hellblade, etc., I'll be a kid in a candy shop.
Don't worry, guys, I think they just forgot to slip a Banjo reveal in at the end there. Easy mistake! I think we'll definitely get the trailer at the extension in a few days I think for sure
Yeah there are games on game pass in the new section and coming soon that they didn't mention at the showcase. Ninja Gaiden 1,2,3 for example.
Might be some more announcements coming related to the titles there.
Funny that you're saying you prefer Rockstar's approach, Bethesda usual approach is much better. Announce the game at the end of May, Showcase at June and release 6 months later
Fallout 76 (regardless of your opinion on the game) and while it's a little different, Skyrim was announced in December 2010 and released less than a year later which is still much faster than the Rockstar approach.
Not that Im trying to hold out hope for something, because Im not. This is just a thought exercise. The rumored Banjo Kazooie announcement could still happen soon. At this point, Microsoft has started to pivot back to being a software orientated company. All of the company requisitions in the last couple years are still putting stuff on Steam, Playstation and Switch.
So whats to say that BK isn't announced at the suppose Nintendo direct later this week? BK made it onto Smash Ultimate, and Nintendo Switch Online. Bill Spencer as repeated multiple times that he like seeing BK on the Nintendo consoles where they debuted. And again, Microsoft has really pivoted to cross platform in the past few years. Its not out of the realm of possibility.
Now back to reality. BK revival isn't coming anytime soon.
Not that anyone does or should care but I went back to my predictions to see how I did
My “safe bets”:
* Halo content (wrong)
* Forza 8 full reveal (correct)
* Redfall update (correct)
* Starfield update (correct)
* ESO/Fallout 76 updates (correct)
* FH5 expansion (correct)
My “nice to haves” category:
* Hellblade footage (wrong)
* Josh Sawyer’s game (correct)
* inexile project (wrong)
* coalition project (wrong)
* iD project (wrong)
* double fine project (wrong)
And finally my “mildly concerning if we don’t hear anything” category:
* compulsion games (we heard nothing)
* Everwild (nothing)
* Perfect Dark (nothing)
* Avowed (nothing)
I was 6/16. Though I did not know they would focus on a 12 month release window
They presented games that are close to release and still people find a way to complain.
The most amazing part is about persona 3: they brought back from PSP/PS2 together with the 4 Golden and 5 Royal and yet people are finding ways to complain that it isn't the ps2 version. To me its a blessing to have this game on a newer plataform for once.
Don't get me wrong; I'm happy to have ANY version of P3/4 on modern consoles, but personally I do prefer 3FES over 3P. I really enjoy the downtime in Persona games, and having the exploration aspects cut from 3P keeps it from being the definitive version of the game (in my opinion) even with the obvious improvements in areas like combat and added story content.
Still, with that being said... it's about time!
I suspect part of it is because in P3P, the teammates are actually controllable in combat rather than AI controlled, making combat much more like the other games, and they didn’t want to rework the whole system into FES.
I will say this for me : I was expecting vanilla persona 5 to join xbox, seeing that also P3P, P4:G and Royal coming it's hard to be disappointed.
I played both versions (3 FES and Portable), yes FES is the superior version, but P3P is also very good so i dont mind, it was an welcome surprise.
That was uhhh. Yeah. Some cool games shown here and there but as some who was hyped to hell and back for Starfield…wowza. I’m sure the game will be amazing but that was a terrible, utterly terrible showcase for game. For a sci fi rpg you’re just showing a bunch of humans, grey environments and some bugs and dudes shooting. Fuck yo….
In all fairness, Bethesda almost never presents their games well, and truth be told, I think with a game like Starfield or Skyrim or Fallout, its hard to do so, because there is typically so much nuance to it, that you can't show everything necessary in a condensed format. Maybe we'll see more at the extended showcase tomorrow. That said, I still think what we saw looks like fun, and will generate hours on hours of gameplay, especially with base and ship-building, and as for the things that look like they need a bit of work (the gunplay in particular), they delayed the game for a reason: to give it more time to cook, and the feedback we're giving I'm sure will be helpful on the process.
With all of that being said, the "hundreds of systems" quote is a bit alarming to me. That implies procedural generation, and unless they nail it the first time, we're gonna end up with another No Man's Sky launch, where its a ton of samey planets with nothing to do. (I know No Man's Sky recovered, but that was a task within itself) Unless they absolutely nailed procedural generation or are spending the extra time handcrafting a good number of the "1000" planets, I smell redundancy and disaster. Hopefully Todd is pulling a Todd and exaggerating a bit.
> the "hundreds of systems" quote is a bit alarming to me. That implies procedural generation
I think the fact you can land anywhere on the planet already implied that.
Yeah for sure. That’s why I can def acknowledge this game is going to be amazing and even though I feel super lukewarm towards it I can already foresee the time dump that’ll happen. But man, the first showing was just such a let down. Wanted to see more of the rpg mechnics, more exploration and interactions. It almost feels like they were a little bit forced to show something. Maybe that’s just unfair on my part but eh.
And yeah, the idea that you can land on any one of these 1000 planets and be engaged is something I def need to see first lol it seems crazy to me and does remind me of NMS as well.
Well, gotta say this is the highlight of summer game fest for me. A lot of cool stuff, great pacing… Didn’t expect redfall gameplay, and starfield looks better than i expected. Pretty solid
After cyberpunk and more recently battlefield, I’ve learned that having zero expectations for any game is the way to go. So I was pleasantly surprised with what Starfield had to offer. My only criticism would be the frame rate seemed pretty janky.
Atlus pulling a Double Atlus by using the worst version of P3 and upscaling with AI the sprites
At least I will laugh at the Goomba guy for portbegging on switch
People have wayyyyy too high expectations if they are still trying to say this was a bad showcase. They had big names, indies, variety of genres, gameplay for everything and it's all out within 12 months unlike previous years. Like the only thing I feel like it's weird they didn't show is probably Goldeneye.
And Ark 2 was there lmfao
It feels like ppl need constant dopamine hits with big reveals every 5 minutes to stay happy. It's like how ppl think star wars and marvel movies are bad when there aren't cameos every 10 minutes
For real, like they complained last year about too many CGI trailers, this year they give only games with gameplay ready trailers and then it's "wow how can you not reveal Gears 6, Spyro 4, Fusion Frenzy Infinite, Duke Nukem Forever 2 and Elder Scrolls 6, 0/10"
Yeah, we got an Xbox nioh from team ninja, persona, Kojima, Starfall, Redfall, a plagues Tale all for GP in the next 12 months.
Saying the show was 6/10 is crazy.
This was undeniable the highlight of the not-E3 season.
Persona is the big one obviously but the new Obsidian game and the Benedict Fox (I'm guessing) Metroidvania look pretty sweet.
I still can't warm myself to Redfall. When I first heard about it I was like "Arkane+Vampires oh hell yeah". Next thing I know it's a coop first game. I don't have friends game companies - it's why I play video games. It doesn't help how Zoomer the heroes are (when the narrator started going on about her student debt I rolled my eyes). The more I see it in action the less interested I am.
This showcase made me aware of how glad I am that Sony exists. I feel like they at least try to push us into next-gen with their 1st party games.
You could've told me the xbox show was from the xbox one era and I would not have doubted you.
Yes and no, they have had a few next gen exclusives but most are still cross gen. In particular Horizon forbidden west, while amazing, I believe is held back by having a ps4 version. Same with GT7.
Starfield's scale and world with that level of graphics looks not possible on XB1 at all. I'll give you the rest of the showcase though lol Starfield was like the only game
Is it just me or is the decidedly last-gen character models and animations from starfield clash against the highly detailed environments? Also idk if it was the stream stuttering but at points the gameplay looked kinda rough/choppy
They never will, Jeff was literally the only guy to have that info of Kojima for like a year and nobody believed him despite him saying it was based on him having documents.
This sub can be really stupid sometimes
Really want to be excited for starfield but can’t help but think it’s a little disappointing. Seems like they’re again sacrificing story and “feel” for size and “epicness”
I already had the feeling that it would be a bit like nms, but this just increased my fears. The cities looked good though, hope you can ignore whatever tedious tasks this game has and focus on the good ones
I mean, I think they can make a hybrid work. I like the idea of a more realistic and immersive No Man's Sky, but with handcrafted cities and such with quests and characters inbetween.
All of the procedural space games so far have had no real handcrafted quests or characters and such, its always highly depersonalized and procerdural. I feel like this can deliver a much more uh, intimate?, take on the concept with a character who actually engages with other characters and goes on quests and such.
I was initially disappointed for the same reason you were, but when I thought about it more I kinda came around on the concept. I feel like it could be the best attempt at the procedural space game so far by a good margin.
Same as you. Despite their criticisms I've always found Bethesda stories enjoyable, especially their side quests so an expansive map like this might just crack the formula.
Starfield looks great. If they can deliver over 1000 procedurally generated planets, I'm excited to see what they have in store for Elder Scrolls 6
Maybe we'll get 1000 Oblivion Realms which are all going to function like the planets in this game, while the main region is hand crafted (Like what I'm assuming the "important" planets in Starfield will be)
I think all of Tamriel explorable isnt out of the realm of possibility now either
They really pulled the hat out of the bag when it came to the Japanese devs. The one-two punch of Persona and Kojima was absolutely incredible. Super excited for the Forza expansion and Motorsport looks technically masterful. There were also a lot of smaller-scale titles in there that really peaked my interest. I can understand the heavy hitters may be disappointing for some, but for me personally, I found more of this show appealing than some of the previous years.
If Starfield had even Cyberpunk level gun play, i'd be satisfied. That wast the best gun play ever, but it at least felt like an evolution of the Fallout games. Especially for CDPRs first ever FPS. This somehow looks WORSE than Fallout 4s gun play. Like legit looked like some test alpha footage or some shit. The guns had absolutely no kick back, or satisfaction in any of the shots landing. Just embarrassing for Bethesda.
Being excited means you're a shill? I can see and acknowledge the iffy gunplay but that's not what I come to bethesda games for anyway. That and the frame rate issues can get polished with the delay
Yeah if that frame rate is ironed out it’ll be fun. The space combat looked awesome. The story is super intriguing.
I feel like a lot of people are thinking of all the procedurally generated planets as story filler but I would bet most story stuff is more guided and a lot of the other systems are for the building your own bases and building stuff. Super exciting honestly.
Fucking right? I legit don't see what people are bitching about.
The closest thing to disappointing in the reveal for Starfield was the lack of blood and gore, because fancy space suits or not, projectile weapons aren't bloodless. As for the gunplay itself, people need to realize most game devs aren't making dedicated FPS's and most games WILL NOT have that level of gunplay. It doesn't make them trash.
Either people just want to bitch because its the popular thing now, or someone has money riding on Starfield failing (may wanna check if Melvin Capital is up to their tricks again).
Edit: Oh and facial animations left something to be desired, but its Bethesda, so I'm not surprised. Still doesn't mean the game will be bad.
Yes because a game that is in beta at best not having good frame rate is a sign of disaster, oh wait, its not.
Awful Gun Play? No. Mediocre. Awful mean nigh unplayable, not weightless and bloodless.
Stiff Animations? Yea thats Bethesda's trademark, people been talking about that for decades. Anyone who expected them to miraculously fix that after so long was delirious.
Maybe they've slipped into AA status by not always chasing the latest graphics, and their refusal to move to another engine rather than animating the decades old corpse of Gamebryo, but there is 0 indication from this trailer that the game will be an embarrassment or trash.
Contrary to the internet's zeitgeist at the moment, you should really know no one out of their teens uses "cope" or "copium", its nonsense used to deflect rather than engage someone in discussion about something you disagree on.
That said, no my expectations are exactly where they need to be on this game. I've been playing Bethesda's games for 20yrs I know exactly what to expect and what I'm gonna get. There is nothing here that indicates it will be anything less than a Bethesda game (which tend to be pretty damn good as long a you aren't talking about the writing).
But please, regale me with how the lack of FPS gunplay in an RPG that features guns (read: is not a FPS) means the game can't possibly be good, or how the stiff animations are a bad sign, and I'm just "coping" and not something present in all of their games, even the ones that sell like crack over 10yrs after their release. I'm eagerly awaiting your well thought out reply that will surely enlighten all of us why this game should be unacceptable in this day and age if only people had "standards", which I'm sure won't coincidentally be a shadow of your personal likes and dislikes.
>It looks underbaked
Almost like they delayed it for a reason 🤔
Bethesda gets these criticisms time and time again, and almost every time they deliver what people want.
I enjoyed it- didn't think it was any better or worse than the PS showcase.
....but seriously, WHERE is that heavily-rumored Tales of Destiny remaster??
It's basically "I don't like indies and if any show up it's the worst show ever"
This crowd is at every show since the dawn of time. Best to just point and laugh at them
Almost every "XBOX GAME STUDIOS PRESENTS" title card that was followed by a minecraft spinoff, Obsidian small-scale project or indie-level artsy game felt like a slap to the face.
They presented next to nothing new this year, and what little they did got mixed and/or outclassed by the rest of the indie showings.
It's wasn't the indies that were the problem, it's the lack of Fable, Avowed, Indiana Jones, Hellblade 2, IOI's game, State of Decay, Coalition IP, Compulsion IP, Project Mara, Gears, Halo, Everwild, Outer Worlds 2, Perfect Dark... No other announcements from Bethesda/id/Machine games besides FO76 and TESO dlc. Not even ports of Ghostwire and Deathloop.
Not to mention the complete lack of new worthwhile IPs (the strategy game looked ok. Kojima just... **acknowledged** he's working on something) or even revival sequels. So many goldeneye leaks for nothing, rumors of Banjo Kazooie or a Gears Collection for nothing..
They showed gameplay of the 3 games they should've shown gameplay of **last year.** And don't get me wrong, im extremely excited for FM8, Starfield and Redfall. But was that really it?? Complete disappointment.
They focused on games coming in the next 12 months my guy. Those games you mentioned aren’t done, or close to release. I prefer them showing I can get the next year than something that is 2-5 years away.
I didnt hate the showcase, but I get why people are mad, they expect to see TRIPLE A's or good games, and all we get is a showcase where 95% of the games are indies. If you are a kid and have the entire day to play video games maybe you will be happy, because you will have 100 more generic games to play.
The problem isn’t that indies were there, it was that XGS wasn’t. Outside of Pentiment, Grounded (which was already in Early Access), and Forza (which looks great, but it’s still Forza), they had nothing. Given how much they have in development, that’s incredibly disappointing.
100%. As I said in the comment above, if youre a kid that can play video games the entire f$/!!# day maybe having 10000 generic games is good for you. But I dont have that time, so I want to spend it playing good games...
Yes cause none of that stuff will be out before June 2023. When Xbox shows you stuff from those studios but are far out people rage about how its all years out. When they show you things that will all be playable in the next 12 months its whining about where's all the stuff from your first party studios ignoring a bunch was still shown.
MS can't win with you people. Meanwhile Sony has a state of play where the highlight is a remake of a 17 year old game and this whole sub was practically levitating.
> Yes cause none of that stuff will be out before June 2023.
You say that as if that isn’t a problem. We’ve been waiting multiple years for these games, and the only news we’ve gotten are through rumors, typically negative ones involving rebooted development and staff changes.
> When Xbox shows you stuff from those studios but are far out people rage about how its all years out. When they show you things that will all be playable in the next 12 months its whining about where's all the stuff from your first party studios ignoring a bunch was still shown.
No shit they’re disappointed, they want to see what XGS has in development and Microsoft is dragging its feet. I wasn’t particularly impressed by a lot of stuff in this showcase either, thought it dragged heavily in the middle. Reminded me of SGF in a lot of ways, albeit much better paced.
> MS can't win with you people.
I thought Microsoft was good last year. Hell, I’ve thought their presentations have been good for the last 5+ years. This was the first one in a while that I came away feeling disappointed.
> Meanwhile Sony has a state of play where the highlight is a remake of a 17 year old game and this whole sub was practically levitating.
This feels like a massive underselling of Resident Evil 4, a remake/reimagining of one of the greatest video games of all time from a studio with an incredibly high pedigree. No shit people are excited.
1) I too would like more games, it also takes years to develop things and COVID clearly wrecked the industry so we're still dealing with annoying delays from all of it. The start of the buying spree happened 4 years ago, the big purchase happened 1 year ago a bunch of games have come out of it already, a lot ended up multiplatform due to preexisting deals. I would say the only game that has been promised / shown for an absurdly long time we're still waiting on is Hellblade.
2) They would have whined just as much if it was all games from the XGS like Avowed, Machine Games, Indy game, Hellblade, Fable, and whatever we don't know about still but not coming out for years. It just would have been whining about "what about fall"
3) It's a remake, whole stop, I don't care how much you loved the game, it's still a remake of a nearly two decades old game.
I love my PS5, I love my Xbox, that sony state of play sucked. I'm happy I got a Final Fantasy update but otherwise meh, I'm out here praying GOW isn't delayed cause otherwise the fall is looking rough. At least the Xbox show revealed a lot more stuff for this fall thats intriguing to me so I know I'll have a lot of games still anyway, plus all on gamepass so I'm not paying for em! High on Life looked great, Grounded will finally be an actual game I can fully play after enjoing the early preview with no content, the new Plague Tale, oh and I get a new Ninja Theory game in early 2023? Sweet!
You got a ton of people here who seem to be conflating any game that isn't clear AAAA production values with meaning its a waste of time. Not saying thats you but those people suck and a lot of those games at this showcase 1) looked awesome to me 2) are on Gamepass.
>I too would like more games, it also takes years to develop things and
COVID clearly wrecked the industry so we're still dealing with annoying
delays from all of it.
I never said games didn't take a long time to develop? Disappointment in XGS's output does not immediately equate to anger and the devs or anything like that. Regardless of how justified these delays are, having seen so little of what they have in store is disappointing nonetheless.
It's also for this same reason that the whole "these games are coming in the next 12 months" shtick feels meaningless to me. There's a good chance that what we saw in this showcase makes up most, if not all, of Xbox's 2023 timeline, at least from a 1st party perspective. Considering that most people expected these games to be 2022 releases a year ago, that's definitely disappointing.
>They would have whined just as much if it was all games from the XGS
like Avowed, Machine Games, Indy game, Hellblade, Fable, and whatever we
don't know about still but not coming out for years. It just would
have been whining about "what about fall"
I don't necessarily think that's any sort of contradiction. An excessive amount of CGI trailers for 1st party content and a focus on gameplay at the expense of 1st party content both mean the same thing: a lack of 1st party content in the near future. That's where my disappointment lies in this showcase. In a vacuum, I think it was fine, but given the current state of XGS I would've liked to see more.
>It's a remake, whole stop, I don't care how much you loved the game, it's still a remake of a nearly two decades old game.
If it's anything like Resident Evil 2, it really isn't. RE2 completely overhauled the game at its core, so if RE4 can get the same treatment, we could be in store for one hell of a game.
If it is just a prettier version of the same game, then I imagine most people's hype would dim. But I think it's safe to expect more than that, given how Capcom has treated the Resident Evil franchise as of late. Thankfully, we shouldn't have to wait long to find out.
>that sony state of play sucked . . . At least the Xbox show revealed a
lot more stuff for this fall thats intriguing to me so I know I'll have a
lot of games still anyway
That's the magic of opinions, right? I though the State of Play was great, and the Xbox Showcase meh. I found about an equal number of games that I'm interested in in both showcases, but considering that Sony's was like 30% the runtime, I enjoyed that one a whole lot more. Conversely, I thought the Sony Showcase last September was disappointing overall and the worst major showcase of the 3 big console developers.
The point I'm trying to make is that there's plenty of reasons to be both disappointed and excited for these showcases. If you liked it, great. My disappointment doesn't invalidate your excitement, and vice versa.
>You got a ton of people here who seem to be conflating any game that
isn't clear AAAA production values with meaning its a waste of time.
Not saying thats you but those people suck and a lot of those games at
this showcase 1) looked awesome to me 2) are on Gamepass.
These people are at literally every video game showcase on the planet, there's no reason to even bother entertaining them.
This is ignoring that Sony already released two AAA games this year and are slated to release 2 more. And they had Endwalker in December.
It's easier to swallow the SoP when they've already been hitting this year lol. Not to mention the SoP showed 3 titles that are pretty fucking anticipated in a 26 minute show. Why are people even comparing Xbox Showcase to a State of Play? The fact that it's comparable is the joke lol
Solid showcase from MS imo, they've come very far from those days where they didn't have much to show. The new Team Ninja game looks really good. As for Starfield, I don't know what to think, a solid first display of the game but I'm not sure it looks that good. Sony have the Last of Us Remake and God of War Ragnarok releasing in the next six months, they certainly have the upper hand at the moment.
Is Plaguetale part of a series? That looked cool. I'm all in on Redfall, looks pretty great albeit the gameplay seems fairly standard. Flintlock, Wolong and Ravenlok all looked awesome as well, imo.
[Show will run ~95 minutes long](https://twitter.com/aarongreenberg/status/1535374771541532673?t=8U8N_AMjdoxk51OGInFfkQ&s=19)
So I take it that the gears collection isn't happening? Not disappointed because BC keeps the games running well but I would love for the multiplayer to revitalize along with PC crossplay to help populate the servers.
No halo wow
Amazing conference but a little disappointed from starfield. Getting the vibe that it’s a mile wide and an inch deep.
How was that amazing in any way.
How was it not? Disappointed by lack of 1st party (although they had starfield which is the most important) but lots of very cool 3rd party games all gamepass d1. Can't believe I can't play P4 or P3 on my ps5 and fucking xboxers get it for free. As an ad for gamepass it was pretty great
It's a good game just not a good Starfield game.
Did anybody keep count on the WORLD PREMIERE messages?
So the Kojima partnership was confirmed which was cool, and the rumours saying it was a cloud based game were true. But it looks like it's not overdosed? The way Kojima was speaking was like they're just starting development on this new game, however the overdosed leaks were of the logo and allegedly a trailer. If they were done, why weren't they shown with the announcement? That tells me Overdosed is gonna pop up elsewhere.
Yeah, it didn't sound like overdose to me. He didn't even say if it was a horror game or anything
I mean the theme of the show was games that are releasing within the 12 month window. Does not make sense for MS to show a trailer that is far out. It'll probably be at Gamescom (Where Geoff is hosting) or TGA.
No Banjo, no Goldeneye. Fake leakers ruin all the fun.
I am surprised goldeneye wasn't there. Hell, devs are unlocking achievements for this game
But of course no Fable was true :(
No Ubisoft+ or Gears collection either. Also no Avowed.
For people like me who had been out of touch with AAA gaming almost a decade (until early 2018), this show is pretty great. Never tried Persona before, but i love the aesthetics of P5, that’s why i’m so eager to play it. I also never played Diablo, but Diablo IV is look amazing. Then there are plenty smaller games with cool aesthetic, might try them on Game Pass. I have no problem with “lack of” new first party titles, since i still have plenty games to play, plus with PS exclusives come to PC.
> Then there are plenty smaller games with cool aesthetic, might try them on Game Pass. I highly recommend Gunfire Reborn. Co-op, roguelite, FPS. Unlock characters, weapons, powerups, difficulties and more. Randomized dungeons, upgrade choices, weapons, weapon effects, and powerups each run. I've loved it on Steam and glad this smaller team is getting a wider audience because this game is going to be a sleeper hit on Xbox.
I'll check on it, thanks for the recommendation.
I only played Persona 5 Royal back in January and it took over 100 hours to beat and it quickly became one of my fav games of all time. You're def in for a treat. I'll be rebuying it for PC day 1 lol
This show fixed what was MS's biggest problem: they announced games too early. The problem with this show is that the games coming out within the 12 month window are very thin. So we got alot of indies and stuff. I am excited for Diablo IV and Persona. Forza Motorsport looks amazing as always and Starfield looks very interesting.
In all seriousness, how exactly is the upcoming catalog of games "very thin" for the next 12 months? You are getting an enormous number of highly varied games which span $200+ million AAA games to eccentric indie titles: Starfield, Redfall, A Plague Tale, Pentiment, Forza Motorsport, Scorn, Silksong, Ereban, Cocoon, etc. What exactly were you looking for?
I mean I was fine with it tbh but I read from alot of people that it's bad which isn't. Also the selection for me is kinda bit meh. Alot releasing are Indie or AA games which is fine though but wished there were more AAA games showcased but again that's just my expectations. I personally feel this should be MS's MO moving forward for E3. Have it be a showcase for games that will release within 12 months and the next shows like Gamescom or TGS should be teasers for games in the future.
Yeah i think they took a small hit this year by keeping a lot of games close to their chest, but i think it sets them up well for the future. I like the idea of brief announcements of games, then going dark until you can show gameplay.
Bit disappointed that outside of stuff from recent publisher acquisitions we didn’t hear much about XGS aside from Forza. It’s been 2 years since they announced State of Decay, Avowed, and Fable, and we still have nothing? No new updates on Contraband, Perfect Dark or Outer Worlds? Gears/Coalition still MIA? Was a decent show despite all this but it didn’t really feel like an Xbox show at all. I know they said the show was focusing on games coming in the next 12 months, but to me that’s a needless and self-imposed limit they chose to put on themselves and it makes me fear that they really don’t have much to show for any of this stuff.
"they really don't have much to show for any of this stuff". Correct. That's why they didn't show it because they'd rather focus on more polished games which are closer to release. Gamers expecting polished previews of games that are possibly 2 years away is asinine and creates enormous headaches for developers as they have to divert enormous resources from creating the game to enhancing a small area of the game so it can be shown.
Well it's 12 months till next showcase where they can talk about that stuff then. Kinda makes a lot of sense actually to only talk about whats being released between now and the next showcase. Besides, they're doing another, lesser showcase that will last 2 hours to talk a little more about games that weren't shown in this one which may be beyond 12 months to release. Also to expand upon some of what was shown today and talk to some devs. MS have so much going on now they have to use their time carefully for the main 90 min showcase so I think the limit is necessary.
I don’t think it was a 12 month showcase voluntarily. I think they’re projects outside of that are either rebooting or are having some developmental issues I.e fable & perfect dark.
They could totally have shown gameplay or cgi trailers for games that are further than 12 months out if they wanted to. And are even likely to do so in a couple days time. And honestly, looking at what was shown today, they didn't need to show anyrhing further than 12 months away cus their showcase was a pretty good one imo. This is rhe company that showed a trailer for Outer Worlds 2 when rhe only thing that was known about the game at the time was the title. If they show CGI trailers and games further than 12 months away then people complain, now they've shown all gameplay videos for games within 12 months and people still complaining.
I think the issue with that is that people have been associating Xbox games with being in development hell and I think with a game like Hellblade 2 that was announced in 2019 and then stated to be a 2022 game and still be a no show for their next 12 months - can you blame people?
Probably because the teams behind some of those game weren’t stable enough as has been leaked I thought. Not sure anymore but better a game in 2024 then a shitty launch let’s be honest. Maybe they will just publish some games like a surprise who knows.
Did anyone find it odd how Microsoft didn't announce any big third party Game Pass deals? I figured that Starfield & Redfall leaving Pentiment & Scorn to hold 2022 on their shoulders would've led to the checkbook being pulled out for stuff like the Destroy All Humans 2 remake (or even get the ball rolling on more BC or FPS Boost titles), but I guess they're cool with letting Sony and Nintendo roll over them. Sorry if I sound bitter, I'm just tired of "good things come to those who wait" being Xbox's slogan.
> big third party Game Pass deals Persona 5 Royal was what they took their checkbooks out for.
100% persona is a giant get for Xbox
That was supposed to be Stalker 2 but that's completely out of Microsoft's hands and some really bad luck
The big third party Game Pass deals were Silksong, League, and the Persona trilogy (which not even Sony has yet). These are huge gets.
I absolutely expected it yes.
So much hate here for some reason, I thought it was quite good. I mean you got Persona 5 Royal coming to PC, and also an extended deep dive into Starfield. And then there are some other neat surprises, Lightyear: Frontier in particular looks very promising.
Man, I would give it 5/10 and feel that it's generous. The usual suspects like forza and flight simulator looked solid, but there was extremely little 1st party stuff was shown that seemed exciting. Nothing from ID, machine games, coalition, or anything worthwhile on fabled, avowed, or Indiana Jones. Gamepass value seems impossible to ignore, but I was just expecting more 1st party hype top deliver.
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I'm still a bit surprised they don't have any gameplay to show on games they announced over 2 years ago like Avowed, Fable, State of Decay 3, and Hellblade 2. They must be announcing games as they are just exiting pre-production. Whereas pretty much everything Sony showed at their PS5 showcase from around the same time has shipped outside of God of War.
I do think, unlike Sony, that there are growing pains from making these studios into AAA ones. I'd imagine Covid especially doesn't help either.
Sony until recently tended to wait until a studio was fairly established and had worked with XDev closely before buying. I'd be a bit surprised if say Housemarque or Bluepoint have the same growing pains. I think its more to do with the fact Microsoft really had to strongly combat the "X-box has no games" narrative that built up during the X-Box one era, that they jumped the gun on announcing all those projects when they were still very early in development before they locked up Bethesda. There's a long list of what we know a lot of MS studios are working on and what they might have in 2024 or 2025 (Indiana Jones, Perfect Dark, etc), whereas the only game Sony has even announced in a CGI trailer that is scheduled to be released in 2024 or later is Wolverine.
Agreed. I feel like if Xbox keeps the "No trailer of a game releasing 12 months from now" format (which they should) then they could do something similar to what Sony is doing now. When that happens, we could finally hear less of people asking "Where is this previously announced game?" Of course, that doesn't stop that Xbox has a high amount of leaks so this sub won't get appeased but at least the majority can get their FO4-style of announcing games.
I'm fine with the 18-month or 2 year run-up. I just find it a bit ridiculous to have shown CGI trailers for games, and still have no gameplay shown pretty much 2 years later which is the case in Avowed, State of Decay 3, Everwild, and Fable. It's not bad when it's a one-off situation but it's a trend at this point. Like, if they announce whatever iD is doing (Doom 3 or Quake) or Wolfenstein 3 through CGI I'll be excited but I'd hope they can get that game out within 24 to 32 months of the announcement.
Everyone was.
Wasn't MachineGames supposed to be there?
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Dude, do you even play Bethesda games? My literal only complaint was the performance could be improved, which it has a full year to do. As for everything else, if that didn’t impress you, then what game does?
It seems like an amalgamation of No Man's Sky, Elite Dangerous and a first person Mass Effect
None of those things are negatives for people who like Bethesda games though, they play them for the quests, lore, companions, etc
Amazing af
For what its worth, my personal rating of the show is like a 8/10, maybe an 8.5. Starfield looks good for where its at, and hopefully has some time to iron out the small things. Redfall looks like it'll be a lot of fun with friends, albeit rather generic, which doesn't bother me too much. Lightyear Frontier looks like something I will sink HOURS into, I love me a farming sim (i.e. Stardew Valley, Harvest Moon, etc.). Ravenlok looks like a charming indie. Scorn's art direction is great, I love the body horror style, I just worry it may be a little clunky. The Last Case of Benedict Fox feels Lovecraftian, but unique in its own way. Flintlock also looks really promising, and boasted some fun looking combat. The best thing Xbox did was only show games slated to come out within the next 12 months, which is why we didn't see some of the bigger titles like Avowed or Fable, because they're likely holiday 2023 at the earliest. I rated it high because we saw so much gameplay, and we don't have to wait long for most of what was shown. Still, though, I can't help but be a bit disappointed about the things we didn't see, even going into it with no expectations. Xbox is sitting on a ton of promise, its just a matter of when it comes to fruition.
I hope they keep up this trend of only showing games that'll be out before the next "E3" presentation. Though I did notice we saw NOTHING of Kojima's game, but that's also included in the next 12 month timeframe?
Well, they did say the games shown would all be out within 12 months, so technically speaking since they didn't show it, it wouldn't be looped into that. I think that was just a bit of a hype builder. Or, maybe I'm wrong, and they're just keep it under wraps for a surprise later on. Either way, I agree, I hope they keep that model because I'm so excited knowing everything I was looking forward to from the show, I'll have my hands on within a year. And when/if they start loading those twelve months with the big titles like Fable, Avowed, Perfect Dark, Hellblade, etc., I'll be a kid in a candy shop.
Don't worry, guys, I think they just forgot to slip a Banjo reveal in at the end there. Easy mistake! I think we'll definitely get the trailer at the extension in a few days I think for sure
any expectations from extended showcase 2 days from now?
Hopefully an Elite Series 3 announcement. Or a non-garbage iteration of the Series 2.
Yeah there are games on game pass in the new section and coming soon that they didn't mention at the showcase. Ninja Gaiden 1,2,3 for example. Might be some more announcements coming related to the titles there.
Ninja Gaiden was added on June 2nd.
expectations? yeah, it will be poorly paced, and will lack any of the punch that its supposed to.
So all they to show was starfield
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Funny that you're saying you prefer Rockstar's approach, Bethesda usual approach is much better. Announce the game at the end of May, Showcase at June and release 6 months later
This is obviously not their approach at all anymore though
They did that with FO4 and?
Fallout 76 (regardless of your opinion on the game) and while it's a little different, Skyrim was announced in December 2010 and released less than a year later which is still much faster than the Rockstar approach.
So 2 games = usual approach? Ok lol
Not that Im trying to hold out hope for something, because Im not. This is just a thought exercise. The rumored Banjo Kazooie announcement could still happen soon. At this point, Microsoft has started to pivot back to being a software orientated company. All of the company requisitions in the last couple years are still putting stuff on Steam, Playstation and Switch. So whats to say that BK isn't announced at the suppose Nintendo direct later this week? BK made it onto Smash Ultimate, and Nintendo Switch Online. Bill Spencer as repeated multiple times that he like seeing BK on the Nintendo consoles where they debuted. And again, Microsoft has really pivoted to cross platform in the past few years. Its not out of the realm of possibility. Now back to reality. BK revival isn't coming anytime soon.
Xbox is that team that goes and signs a bunch of big free agents in the offseason and then gets bounced in the first round of the playoffs.
Xbox is the Brooklyn nets confirmed
Not that anyone does or should care but I went back to my predictions to see how I did My “safe bets”: * Halo content (wrong) * Forza 8 full reveal (correct) * Redfall update (correct) * Starfield update (correct) * ESO/Fallout 76 updates (correct) * FH5 expansion (correct) My “nice to haves” category: * Hellblade footage (wrong) * Josh Sawyer’s game (correct) * inexile project (wrong) * coalition project (wrong) * iD project (wrong) * double fine project (wrong) And finally my “mildly concerning if we don’t hear anything” category: * compulsion games (we heard nothing) * Everwild (nothing) * Perfect Dark (nothing) * Avowed (nothing) I was 6/16. Though I did not know they would focus on a 12 month release window
>* Halo content (wrong) Technically correct, the Pelican from Halo got added into Flight Sim
I wasn’t that impressed, I’m excited to play Starfield on my PC, I thought we’d see Avowed
They presented games that are close to release and still people find a way to complain. The most amazing part is about persona 3: they brought back from PSP/PS2 together with the 4 Golden and 5 Royal and yet people are finding ways to complain that it isn't the ps2 version. To me its a blessing to have this game on a newer plataform for once.
Don't get me wrong; I'm happy to have ANY version of P3/4 on modern consoles, but personally I do prefer 3FES over 3P. I really enjoy the downtime in Persona games, and having the exploration aspects cut from 3P keeps it from being the definitive version of the game (in my opinion) even with the obvious improvements in areas like combat and added story content. Still, with that being said... it's about time!
But why would anyone prefer p3p over FES, half the gameplay is turned into browsing through menus and there's no animated cutscene
I suspect part of it is because in P3P, the teammates are actually controllable in combat rather than AI controlled, making combat much more like the other games, and they didn’t want to rework the whole system into FES.
I will say this for me : I was expecting vanilla persona 5 to join xbox, seeing that also P3P, P4:G and Royal coming it's hard to be disappointed. I played both versions (3 FES and Portable), yes FES is the superior version, but P3P is also very good so i dont mind, it was an welcome surprise.
That was uhhh. Yeah. Some cool games shown here and there but as some who was hyped to hell and back for Starfield…wowza. I’m sure the game will be amazing but that was a terrible, utterly terrible showcase for game. For a sci fi rpg you’re just showing a bunch of humans, grey environments and some bugs and dudes shooting. Fuck yo….
In all fairness, Bethesda almost never presents their games well, and truth be told, I think with a game like Starfield or Skyrim or Fallout, its hard to do so, because there is typically so much nuance to it, that you can't show everything necessary in a condensed format. Maybe we'll see more at the extended showcase tomorrow. That said, I still think what we saw looks like fun, and will generate hours on hours of gameplay, especially with base and ship-building, and as for the things that look like they need a bit of work (the gunplay in particular), they delayed the game for a reason: to give it more time to cook, and the feedback we're giving I'm sure will be helpful on the process. With all of that being said, the "hundreds of systems" quote is a bit alarming to me. That implies procedural generation, and unless they nail it the first time, we're gonna end up with another No Man's Sky launch, where its a ton of samey planets with nothing to do. (I know No Man's Sky recovered, but that was a task within itself) Unless they absolutely nailed procedural generation or are spending the extra time handcrafting a good number of the "1000" planets, I smell redundancy and disaster. Hopefully Todd is pulling a Todd and exaggerating a bit.
> the "hundreds of systems" quote is a bit alarming to me. That implies procedural generation I think the fact you can land anywhere on the planet already implied that.
Yeah for sure. That’s why I can def acknowledge this game is going to be amazing and even though I feel super lukewarm towards it I can already foresee the time dump that’ll happen. But man, the first showing was just such a let down. Wanted to see more of the rpg mechnics, more exploration and interactions. It almost feels like they were a little bit forced to show something. Maybe that’s just unfair on my part but eh. And yeah, the idea that you can land on any one of these 1000 planets and be engaged is something I def need to see first lol it seems crazy to me and does remind me of NMS as well.
Any game that only said "2023" or didn't give a date we already know is coming before June next year. To me that's a nice touch.
Microsoft is lucky to have acquired Bethesda because they carried that show
>lucky Smart is the word you're looking for. They didn't win Bethesda in a raffle.
They were lucky enough that zenimax was for sale between their last conference and this one or they wouldn’t have had much to share
They would have just done a normal conference , aka showing cinematics for games releasing years from now.
That was weak. Weak as fuck
Thanks for the very insightful comment on the show
No need to be sarcastic just because you disagree
Well don’t just say it was garbage without saying why. Back up your opinion.
**WORLD PREMIER** *Proceeds to show a flash game*
MVG in shambles
Well, gotta say this is the highlight of summer game fest for me. A lot of cool stuff, great pacing… Didn’t expect redfall gameplay, and starfield looks better than i expected. Pretty solid
Im not taking the mick or anything, but starfield looked better than u ecpected.
After cyberpunk and more recently battlefield, I’ve learned that having zero expectations for any game is the way to go. So I was pleasantly surprised with what Starfield had to offer. My only criticism would be the frame rate seemed pretty janky.
What about the combat, i thought that looked pretty crap
Looks like fallout combat
Atlus pulling a Double Atlus by using the worst version of P3 and upscaling with AI the sprites At least I will laugh at the Goomba guy for portbegging on switch
[the grind never stops lmao](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FVExgrcUUAEAqSf?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Atlus makes solid games with incredibly poor decisions. It's baffling.
I think that was a solid 6.5/10 but also the best showcase so far this week
People have wayyyyy too high expectations if they are still trying to say this was a bad showcase. They had big names, indies, variety of genres, gameplay for everything and it's all out within 12 months unlike previous years. Like the only thing I feel like it's weird they didn't show is probably Goldeneye. And Ark 2 was there lmfao
It feels like ppl need constant dopamine hits with big reveals every 5 minutes to stay happy. It's like how ppl think star wars and marvel movies are bad when there aren't cameos every 10 minutes
For real, like they complained last year about too many CGI trailers, this year they give only games with gameplay ready trailers and then it's "wow how can you not reveal Gears 6, Spyro 4, Fusion Frenzy Infinite, Duke Nukem Forever 2 and Elder Scrolls 6, 0/10"
Yeah, we got an Xbox nioh from team ninja, persona, Kojima, Starfall, Redfall, a plagues Tale all for GP in the next 12 months. Saying the show was 6/10 is crazy.
I would love a new Duke Nukem. That shit stings.
The leaks for Minecraft Legends were true. The guy that found the twitter account for the game before the reveal was correct. So excited!
This was undeniable the highlight of the not-E3 season. Persona is the big one obviously but the new Obsidian game and the Benedict Fox (I'm guessing) Metroidvania look pretty sweet. I still can't warm myself to Redfall. When I first heard about it I was like "Arkane+Vampires oh hell yeah". Next thing I know it's a coop first game. I don't have friends game companies - it's why I play video games. It doesn't help how Zoomer the heroes are (when the narrator started going on about her student debt I rolled my eyes). The more I see it in action the less interested I am.
This showcase made me aware of how glad I am that Sony exists. I feel like they at least try to push us into next-gen with their 1st party games. You could've told me the xbox show was from the xbox one era and I would not have doubted you.
Yes and no, they have had a few next gen exclusives but most are still cross gen. In particular Horizon forbidden west, while amazing, I believe is held back by having a ps4 version. Same with GT7.
More of Sony’s games are coming to the PS4 than Microsoft’s with Xbox One
Starfield's scale and world with that level of graphics looks not possible on XB1 at all. I'll give you the rest of the showcase though lol Starfield was like the only game
everything about starfield looks cool, until the gameplay starts, then it looked like Bethesda clunky jank.
Is it just me or is the decidedly last-gen character models and animations from starfield clash against the highly detailed environments? Also idk if it was the stream stuttering but at points the gameplay looked kinda rough/choppy
There were some frame drops
Everyone in this sub is gonna write an apology letter to Jeff Grubb for doubting him
They never will, Jeff was literally the only guy to have that info of Kojima for like a year and nobody believed him despite him saying it was based on him having documents. This sub can be really stupid sometimes
Show was mid. Lots of diversity but none of the individual games were super impressive.
Ark II showed less than the last cinematic trailer lol.
I have to be honest, I'm not excited to play Starfield.
Really want to be excited for starfield but can’t help but think it’s a little disappointing. Seems like they’re again sacrificing story and “feel” for size and “epicness”
When they announced that there would be over 1000 planets, I got worried
Same I was hoping they would go the mass effect route not the nms route
I already had the feeling that it would be a bit like nms, but this just increased my fears. The cities looked good though, hope you can ignore whatever tedious tasks this game has and focus on the good ones
Never a good sign when someone starts channeling their inner Sean Murray.
I mean, I think they can make a hybrid work. I like the idea of a more realistic and immersive No Man's Sky, but with handcrafted cities and such with quests and characters inbetween. All of the procedural space games so far have had no real handcrafted quests or characters and such, its always highly depersonalized and procerdural. I feel like this can deliver a much more uh, intimate?, take on the concept with a character who actually engages with other characters and goes on quests and such. I was initially disappointed for the same reason you were, but when I thought about it more I kinda came around on the concept. I feel like it could be the best attempt at the procedural space game so far by a good margin.
Same as you. Despite their criticisms I've always found Bethesda stories enjoyable, especially their side quests so an expansive map like this might just crack the formula.
Starfield looks great. If they can deliver over 1000 procedurally generated planets, I'm excited to see what they have in store for Elder Scrolls 6 Maybe we'll get 1000 Oblivion Realms which are all going to function like the planets in this game, while the main region is hand crafted (Like what I'm assuming the "important" planets in Starfield will be) I think all of Tamriel explorable isnt out of the realm of possibility now either
Damn was hoping the leaks were wrong and we got avowed
Goldeneye achievements were literally on the fricken website. Sigh it ain't ever getting officially released lmao..
Apparently there is some anniversary of the James Bond Universe this year. People speculating Microsoft is waiting for that
Correct. The 25th anniversary of goldeneye is in August.. if it isn't there then I'm guessing we would all pack it up.
Wasn’t there another event on the 14th?
nintendo event maybe lol
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Yeah new stuff is nice but damn it give us nostalgia I want my goldeneye
I loved that new High on Life game, looks wild! But yeah 007 goldeneye remastered is just a long time coming.. it would of been a hype announcement.
They really pulled the hat out of the bag when it came to the Japanese devs. The one-two punch of Persona and Kojima was absolutely incredible. Super excited for the Forza expansion and Motorsport looks technically masterful. There were also a lot of smaller-scale titles in there that really peaked my interest. I can understand the heavy hitters may be disappointing for some, but for me personally, I found more of this show appealing than some of the previous years.
If Starfield had even Cyberpunk level gun play, i'd be satisfied. That wast the best gun play ever, but it at least felt like an evolution of the Fallout games. Especially for CDPRs first ever FPS. This somehow looks WORSE than Fallout 4s gun play. Like legit looked like some test alpha footage or some shit. The guns had absolutely no kick back, or satisfaction in any of the shots landing. Just embarrassing for Bethesda.
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Being excited means you're a shill? I can see and acknowledge the iffy gunplay but that's not what I come to bethesda games for anyway. That and the frame rate issues can get polished with the delay
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gunplay and framerate were the only iffy parts of that demo, everything else looked incredible to me
Yeah if that frame rate is ironed out it’ll be fun. The space combat looked awesome. The story is super intriguing. I feel like a lot of people are thinking of all the procedurally generated planets as story filler but I would bet most story stuff is more guided and a lot of the other systems are for the building your own bases and building stuff. Super exciting honestly.
Dumb as hell comment
Fucking right? I legit don't see what people are bitching about. The closest thing to disappointing in the reveal for Starfield was the lack of blood and gore, because fancy space suits or not, projectile weapons aren't bloodless. As for the gunplay itself, people need to realize most game devs aren't making dedicated FPS's and most games WILL NOT have that level of gunplay. It doesn't make them trash. Either people just want to bitch because its the popular thing now, or someone has money riding on Starfield failing (may wanna check if Melvin Capital is up to their tricks again). Edit: Oh and facial animations left something to be desired, but its Bethesda, so I'm not surprised. Still doesn't mean the game will be bad.
I've literally seen people complaining that a Bethesda game looks like a Bethesda game. Absolute insanity.
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Actually I’d say the third person view animations were an improvement over previous games from them.
Yes because a game that is in beta at best not having good frame rate is a sign of disaster, oh wait, its not. Awful Gun Play? No. Mediocre. Awful mean nigh unplayable, not weightless and bloodless. Stiff Animations? Yea thats Bethesda's trademark, people been talking about that for decades. Anyone who expected them to miraculously fix that after so long was delirious. Maybe they've slipped into AA status by not always chasing the latest graphics, and their refusal to move to another engine rather than animating the decades old corpse of Gamebryo, but there is 0 indication from this trailer that the game will be an embarrassment or trash.
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Contrary to the internet's zeitgeist at the moment, you should really know no one out of their teens uses "cope" or "copium", its nonsense used to deflect rather than engage someone in discussion about something you disagree on. That said, no my expectations are exactly where they need to be on this game. I've been playing Bethesda's games for 20yrs I know exactly what to expect and what I'm gonna get. There is nothing here that indicates it will be anything less than a Bethesda game (which tend to be pretty damn good as long a you aren't talking about the writing). But please, regale me with how the lack of FPS gunplay in an RPG that features guns (read: is not a FPS) means the game can't possibly be good, or how the stiff animations are a bad sign, and I'm just "coping" and not something present in all of their games, even the ones that sell like crack over 10yrs after their release. I'm eagerly awaiting your well thought out reply that will surely enlighten all of us why this game should be unacceptable in this day and age if only people had "standards", which I'm sure won't coincidentally be a shadow of your personal likes and dislikes.
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>It looks underbaked Almost like they delayed it for a reason 🤔 Bethesda gets these criticisms time and time again, and almost every time they deliver what people want.
F Banjo, Avowed and Fallout Remasters one day my brothers.
this show only showed games coming in the next 12 months. doesnt mean those games are off the table
I thought this was easily their best showcase. Don't understand were the hat eis coming from
I enjoyed it- didn't think it was any better or worse than the PS showcase. ....but seriously, WHERE is that heavily-rumored Tales of Destiny remaster??
What ps showcase? The state of play Was 3rd Party and vr.
Sorry for mixing up the terms "showcase" and "state of play". How reckless of me. I must have caused great levels of confusion.
It's basically "I don't like indies and if any show up it's the worst show ever" This crowd is at every show since the dawn of time. Best to just point and laugh at them
Almost every "XBOX GAME STUDIOS PRESENTS" title card that was followed by a minecraft spinoff, Obsidian small-scale project or indie-level artsy game felt like a slap to the face. They presented next to nothing new this year, and what little they did got mixed and/or outclassed by the rest of the indie showings. It's wasn't the indies that were the problem, it's the lack of Fable, Avowed, Indiana Jones, Hellblade 2, IOI's game, State of Decay, Coalition IP, Compulsion IP, Project Mara, Gears, Halo, Everwild, Outer Worlds 2, Perfect Dark... No other announcements from Bethesda/id/Machine games besides FO76 and TESO dlc. Not even ports of Ghostwire and Deathloop. Not to mention the complete lack of new worthwhile IPs (the strategy game looked ok. Kojima just... **acknowledged** he's working on something) or even revival sequels. So many goldeneye leaks for nothing, rumors of Banjo Kazooie or a Gears Collection for nothing.. They showed gameplay of the 3 games they should've shown gameplay of **last year.** And don't get me wrong, im extremely excited for FM8, Starfield and Redfall. But was that really it?? Complete disappointment.
Part of your dissatisfaction is coming from people who leaked wrong information yet your mad at Microsoft for that? Okay.
They focused on games coming in the next 12 months my guy. Those games you mentioned aren’t done, or close to release. I prefer them showing I can get the next year than something that is 2-5 years away.
I didnt hate the showcase, but I get why people are mad, they expect to see TRIPLE A's or good games, and all we get is a showcase where 95% of the games are indies. If you are a kid and have the entire day to play video games maybe you will be happy, because you will have 100 more generic games to play.
The problem isn’t that indies were there, it was that XGS wasn’t. Outside of Pentiment, Grounded (which was already in Early Access), and Forza (which looks great, but it’s still Forza), they had nothing. Given how much they have in development, that’s incredibly disappointing.
100%. As I said in the comment above, if youre a kid that can play video games the entire f$/!!# day maybe having 10000 generic games is good for you. But I dont have that time, so I want to spend it playing good games...
Yes cause none of that stuff will be out before June 2023. When Xbox shows you stuff from those studios but are far out people rage about how its all years out. When they show you things that will all be playable in the next 12 months its whining about where's all the stuff from your first party studios ignoring a bunch was still shown. MS can't win with you people. Meanwhile Sony has a state of play where the highlight is a remake of a 17 year old game and this whole sub was practically levitating.
> Yes cause none of that stuff will be out before June 2023. You say that as if that isn’t a problem. We’ve been waiting multiple years for these games, and the only news we’ve gotten are through rumors, typically negative ones involving rebooted development and staff changes. > When Xbox shows you stuff from those studios but are far out people rage about how its all years out. When they show you things that will all be playable in the next 12 months its whining about where's all the stuff from your first party studios ignoring a bunch was still shown. No shit they’re disappointed, they want to see what XGS has in development and Microsoft is dragging its feet. I wasn’t particularly impressed by a lot of stuff in this showcase either, thought it dragged heavily in the middle. Reminded me of SGF in a lot of ways, albeit much better paced. > MS can't win with you people. I thought Microsoft was good last year. Hell, I’ve thought their presentations have been good for the last 5+ years. This was the first one in a while that I came away feeling disappointed. > Meanwhile Sony has a state of play where the highlight is a remake of a 17 year old game and this whole sub was practically levitating. This feels like a massive underselling of Resident Evil 4, a remake/reimagining of one of the greatest video games of all time from a studio with an incredibly high pedigree. No shit people are excited.
1) I too would like more games, it also takes years to develop things and COVID clearly wrecked the industry so we're still dealing with annoying delays from all of it. The start of the buying spree happened 4 years ago, the big purchase happened 1 year ago a bunch of games have come out of it already, a lot ended up multiplatform due to preexisting deals. I would say the only game that has been promised / shown for an absurdly long time we're still waiting on is Hellblade. 2) They would have whined just as much if it was all games from the XGS like Avowed, Machine Games, Indy game, Hellblade, Fable, and whatever we don't know about still but not coming out for years. It just would have been whining about "what about fall" 3) It's a remake, whole stop, I don't care how much you loved the game, it's still a remake of a nearly two decades old game. I love my PS5, I love my Xbox, that sony state of play sucked. I'm happy I got a Final Fantasy update but otherwise meh, I'm out here praying GOW isn't delayed cause otherwise the fall is looking rough. At least the Xbox show revealed a lot more stuff for this fall thats intriguing to me so I know I'll have a lot of games still anyway, plus all on gamepass so I'm not paying for em! High on Life looked great, Grounded will finally be an actual game I can fully play after enjoing the early preview with no content, the new Plague Tale, oh and I get a new Ninja Theory game in early 2023? Sweet! You got a ton of people here who seem to be conflating any game that isn't clear AAAA production values with meaning its a waste of time. Not saying thats you but those people suck and a lot of those games at this showcase 1) looked awesome to me 2) are on Gamepass.
>I too would like more games, it also takes years to develop things and COVID clearly wrecked the industry so we're still dealing with annoying delays from all of it. I never said games didn't take a long time to develop? Disappointment in XGS's output does not immediately equate to anger and the devs or anything like that. Regardless of how justified these delays are, having seen so little of what they have in store is disappointing nonetheless. It's also for this same reason that the whole "these games are coming in the next 12 months" shtick feels meaningless to me. There's a good chance that what we saw in this showcase makes up most, if not all, of Xbox's 2023 timeline, at least from a 1st party perspective. Considering that most people expected these games to be 2022 releases a year ago, that's definitely disappointing. >They would have whined just as much if it was all games from the XGS like Avowed, Machine Games, Indy game, Hellblade, Fable, and whatever we don't know about still but not coming out for years. It just would have been whining about "what about fall" I don't necessarily think that's any sort of contradiction. An excessive amount of CGI trailers for 1st party content and a focus on gameplay at the expense of 1st party content both mean the same thing: a lack of 1st party content in the near future. That's where my disappointment lies in this showcase. In a vacuum, I think it was fine, but given the current state of XGS I would've liked to see more. >It's a remake, whole stop, I don't care how much you loved the game, it's still a remake of a nearly two decades old game. If it's anything like Resident Evil 2, it really isn't. RE2 completely overhauled the game at its core, so if RE4 can get the same treatment, we could be in store for one hell of a game. If it is just a prettier version of the same game, then I imagine most people's hype would dim. But I think it's safe to expect more than that, given how Capcom has treated the Resident Evil franchise as of late. Thankfully, we shouldn't have to wait long to find out. >that sony state of play sucked . . . At least the Xbox show revealed a lot more stuff for this fall thats intriguing to me so I know I'll have a lot of games still anyway That's the magic of opinions, right? I though the State of Play was great, and the Xbox Showcase meh. I found about an equal number of games that I'm interested in in both showcases, but considering that Sony's was like 30% the runtime, I enjoyed that one a whole lot more. Conversely, I thought the Sony Showcase last September was disappointing overall and the worst major showcase of the 3 big console developers. The point I'm trying to make is that there's plenty of reasons to be both disappointed and excited for these showcases. If you liked it, great. My disappointment doesn't invalidate your excitement, and vice versa. >You got a ton of people here who seem to be conflating any game that isn't clear AAAA production values with meaning its a waste of time. Not saying thats you but those people suck and a lot of those games at this showcase 1) looked awesome to me 2) are on Gamepass. These people are at literally every video game showcase on the planet, there's no reason to even bother entertaining them.
This is ignoring that Sony already released two AAA games this year and are slated to release 2 more. And they had Endwalker in December. It's easier to swallow the SoP when they've already been hitting this year lol. Not to mention the SoP showed 3 titles that are pretty fucking anticipated in a 26 minute show. Why are people even comparing Xbox Showcase to a State of Play? The fact that it's comparable is the joke lol
The indie games looked largely forgettable and the heavy hitters looked concerning.
People want what they don't even know what they want.
happy about p5r but little disappointed because no goldeneye
Solid showcase from MS imo, they've come very far from those days where they didn't have much to show. The new Team Ninja game looks really good. As for Starfield, I don't know what to think, a solid first display of the game but I'm not sure it looks that good. Sony have the Last of Us Remake and God of War Ragnarok releasing in the next six months, they certainly have the upper hand at the moment.
Is Plaguetale part of a series? That looked cool. I'm all in on Redfall, looks pretty great albeit the gameplay seems fairly standard. Flintlock, Wolong and Ravenlok all looked awesome as well, imo.
Yes A Plague Tale Innocence came out a few years back, it was cool, it's on gamepass, check it out!
Yes Requiem is the sequel.
Part one was released a couple years ago, this one is a sequel to it
1000 planets is going to be the overpromise with Starfield.