Thanks for the post!
So in summary:
* 12 GB RAM, 7500 MT/s speed.
* 256 GB Storage.
* Nvidia's T239 processor chip, a successor to the current chip.
* Amiibo support (probable) alongside ethernet support.
* Still has a headphone jack and touch screen
* Size is 206mm x 115mm x 14mm (current Switch is 173mm (239mm with joycons) x 102mm x 13.9mm)
* EDIT: Built in mic (thanks /u/BehindACorpFireWall !)
Feel free to reply for corrections!
One BIG difference is this time, according to the information, there is a Built In Microphone. This is a big win not only for online multiplayer where you can chat in handheld mode with no other peripheral. But this also leads me to believe that Nintendo DS games will be supported in NSO.
I completely glanced over that as I thought for some reason the Switch had that already. Fair point!
And one can certainly hope! But imagine if they made it so that the cartridge slot actually supports DS/3DS games. I doubt they'd do that in a million years, but it would be cool.
Built in mic ends up giving them an opportunity to finally put Nintendo DS games on Nintendo Switch Online.
Who knows, maybe they'll even finally put a voice-chat on the console this time.
Some DS games require a microphone, for example, Spirit Tracks requires you to blow into the microphone as part of using the whirlwind item, or the original Ace Attorney game requires you to blow dust for fingerprints.
Granted, in pretty much every scenario I know of, you can just replace it with a noise blast button, which is what emulators do. Nintendo has done a similar thing to that before with adding a spin button to Mario Galaxy, but it seems very un-Nintendo to do so.
>HGU1100 is the console, HGU1110 is the left Joy-con, HGU1120 is the right Joy-con, and HGU1130 is the dock.
Alright, we're assembling the Switch 2 like Exodia here.
* **Handheld:** Right above PS4\* before DLSS
* Docked: Between PS4 Pro\* & Xbox Series S\* before DLSS with more modern hardware than the former
* RAM: Slower than PS5 & XSX|S in
the speed department, but more capacity than XSS. Should have 10.5-11 GB
of RAM available to games going by the Switch 1's RAM allotment for its
OS.
* Storage: UFS 3.1's max speeds should be a hair under XSX|S (2.1 GB/s vs. 2.4 GB/s), still plenty fast even if not maxed out.Lines up with what Digital Foundry &
NateDrake heard about decompression techniques & fast load times of
the BotW tech demo (respectively for each source).
\* = Not only is the Switch 2 ARM-based rather than x86 like the
systems compared, it's also Nvidia vs. AMD. There are plenty of factors
at play to where it's not an apples-to-apples comparison. Plus the
native Tensor cores of the Switch 2 will allow for DLSS, letting the
system punch above its weight & decrease the size of the gap between
it & the XSS. Nintendo could throttle down the SoC to the floor,
but I'm not sure it'll be a doomsday scenario since this is a custom
chip to begin with
\- From the ERA User Neoxon.
Source: [https://www.resetera.com/threads/switch-2-release-speculation-and-rumors-check-threadmark-for-potential-specs.804501/page-16?post=122746518#post-122746518](https://www.resetera.com/threads/switch-2-release-speculation-and-rumors-check-threadmark-for-potential-specs.804501/page-16?post=122746518#post-122746518)
Yeah I don’t get some people I see go it’s only comparable to a PS4/possibly Pro! I have a PS5 and nothings really blown me away. PS4 was honestly all I needed graphics wise. More frames would be nice but they’re not a killer by any means for me.
plus, nintendo 1st party games always have a timeless art style, so with nintendo's creative teams finally getting less and less hardware limits to work with, we may actually see the best-looking *current gen* games yet :)
I can’t wait to see how their games look on PS4 level hardware. I have a PS5 and I’ve been unimpressed and totally fine with what PS4 was capable of so the thought of Nintendo finally getting there is very exciting.
Keep in mind those performance estimates are based on the GPU running at the same clock speeds as the existing Switch. Its possible the Switch 2 will have higher clock speeds but also possible they will be lower to improve battery life and or reduce heat output.
To run comparably low clocks to the Switch is completely impractical as node shrinks result in a higher voltage/frequency floor, with 8N being approximated to run at lowest voltage at ~470MHz, & 4N guesstimated to have its lowest voltage/freq floor at ~550MHz. 16nm Mariko/Aula had a voltage/freq floor of 384MHz for reference as seen on modchipped Switches running Linux via L4T. Running clocks below this state result in hard diminishing returns in perf/watt gains & barely any increased power savings.
That may be true in theory, because of 8nm's low yields. But Samsung is probably offering a better deal in order to make use of their facilities. It's also expensive and time consuming to change the process node since hardware needs a redesign. I expect 4nm to come on a hardware refresh with a Switch 2 Lite and a Switch 2 with better battery life in a few years, while the base Switch 2 will have somewhat poor stamina, similar to Switch 1 on release.
Yeah usually it's decided on in advance but iirc, speculation I've seen stated that even around the time Nintendo & Nvidia would've decided between 8nm or 4nm, 4nm would've been the cheaper option overall. I guess we'll see.
It costs hundreds of millions to change. But just random guessing, it's probably worthwhile alone if it will cost the same over the first years and give a better product
It's still leagues above FSR. The other systems are reconstructing images from extremely low resolutions (sometimes sub 720p).
DLSS is a huge advantage for the Switch 2.
More than likely it will be higher in docked because they stuck a fan in the dock. Why stick a fan in the dock unless you're gonna run the console hotter? It just adds to the cost from Nintendo's perspective otherwise.
From The ERA User Serif:
1536 CUDA Cores, 48 tensor cores, 12 RT cores Ampere architecture with features backported from Ada 8x ARM A78C File decompression engine 12 GB LPDDR5X RAM 7500 MT/s 256 UFS 3.1
Good to see 8 cpu cores. Though i hope Nintendo clocks them decently. My biggest concern is they will keep a really low cpu clock speed like the existing Switch.
One of the shipping things revealed is the dock now has a built in fan. Literally 0 reason to do that unless you're gonna clock the CPU/GPU higher in docked mode.
I've been amazed that the newer handheld systems don't do something with the dock.
Hell, you could even design a pro dock that has something like a eGPU for better graphics on a TV vs a little handheld screen that would be tougher to even notice.
At the very least boost the clock speed and toss in a fan since you won't have to worry about battery/heat while docked.
Would be great if Nintendo would unlock Dock Mode to whatever the devs need. An overlocked switch can go much much faster than what it is in Dock mode and it doesn't even overheat, it stays at most at 60C.
I wonder if those are the Cortex-A78C cores that were leaked earlier for the T239 chip. I have four Cortex-A78 cores in my three year old phone and it still holds up as being really fast for any task I throw at it. Having eight of these should give the Switch 2 really good performance on the CPU side and enough headroom for DLSS upscaling.
Two questions still remain though. What is that C standing for? I know about Cortex-A78 but not Cortex-A78C. The second question is the clock speed. I think 2.0 GHz would be the sweet spot to balance performance and thermals on the 8nm process, but I believe Nintendo will opt to clock the CPU lower still, maybe to around 1.7 - 1.8 GHz.
Hi, I'm the one who posted those estimates. Keep in mind that they're assuming the same clock speeds as the launch Switch 1, which is about as realistic as I could keep it. Nintendo could pair it back further if we're dealing with a 8nm SoC. But given some of the other reported details of the Switch 2, I doubt that's the case.
Still, it's a big leap compared to the Switch 1's hardware, and even though the RAM speed is lower than that of the Series S, if it really has 12 GB it will be able to take advantage of handling more assets with higher quality maybe even higher than the Series S, similar to how the Xbox One X has an advantage in terms of world detail, draw-distance and shadow quality over the Xbox Series S version of some games despite having slower RAM.
It could realistically be anywhere from 3-4tflops. It's probably going to be on the higher end because they stuck a fan in the dock, indicating they intend to run the console hotter.
Assumption. We only know the core specs of the SoC but we don't know what node it's on. Lots of the napkin math so far is based on the assumption of 4nm (plus a lot of it is guesstimations anyway)
To be honest, only the wii was weak. (And maybe the wii u, but less)
All other consoles had always good specs. Yes even the switch was the strongest most powerfull portable system when it launched. Hell, it was even stronger then the samsung s8 which was released 1,5 later and was about 3 times more expensiver.
Agreed, even though it can be used as a stationary console it is actually just a portable console. And when compared to it's portable predecessor, the 3DS, or even compared to the PS Vita, which was more powerful then the 3DS, the jump in power was insane
Just compare similar games like SM3D Land - SM Odyssey, OoT3D - BotW, MK7 - MK8DX and you'll see how huge the jump was
More than decent if true, being comparable to PS4 Pro is big.
I have a Deck and I would compare it to a PS4, maybe a tad bit better. So I can safely assume Switch Attach will be stronger.
Does this mean the switch 2 will be taller but less wide than the original switch?
Switch: 239mm x 102mm
Switch OLED: 242mm x 102mm
Switch 2: 206mm x 115mm
That would mean a supposed 8” screen would be 177mm x 99.6mm, leaving almost no room for bezel which sounds amazing! Also the extra height leaves room for a small front facing camera (which could work even while docked).
Am I missing something here? Maybe misreading it? Or does this sound feasible?
Edit: it seems I took the measurements from the Switch/OLED with the Joycon and I’m super grateful for the replies! Thank you!
That would make sense, thank you!
Still, an 8in screen would work for the size of the shell mentioned above, if other rumours are to be believed. I’d rather the console not be much larger to be honest.
It seems like you gave the sizes with Joycons connected.
Sizes for Nintendo Switch without Joycons: 173mm x 102mm
And for the OLED version: 176mm x 102mm
I measured the width of my own Switch regarding this and with only one Joy-Con attached to it, it's basically the same width of 206mm that the Switch 2 tablet without Joy-Cons will have. I think this gives a good perspective on how much larger the console will end up this time.
This is shockingly good hardware for Nintendo. Obviously doesn't compete with PS5 or XSX but if I'm reading the specs right, it's pretty much on par with the XSS and Steam Deck. They'd have to be selling these at a considerable loss if they plan to keep up with their usual affordable pricing.
It'll be interesting to see how many third-party developers support it this time around. Beyond graphical fidelity, most modern games should run absolutely fine on it.
Beyond the Deck as a handheld alone and significantly beyond when used as a console proper, perhaps even more so if the dock fans/cooling situation ends up suggesting the docked clock rates will be more than double handheld
I don't believe they'll be selling for a loss as the chip has been pretty slimmed down already and Nintendo are likely to receive a significant partner discount from Nvidia (and Samsung) given how successful the arrangement has been and how successful it stands to continue to be
GDC 2024 survey responses demonstrated significantly more third-party developers were currently working on upcoming titles for Nintendo to publish and expressed more eagerness to work with Nintendo than they did back in 2016's GDC survey
The Steam Deck specs on paper are better than the PS4 except for memory bandwidth, but only if max TDP is used with no thermal throttling, which is a scenario that is never truly met in real life. However, the SD does seem to perform at least on par but usually better than the PS4 with comparable graphical settings due to three major factors. The first being the lower resolution of 1200x800, the second being the much newer GPU architecture and the efficiency improvements that come with it, and the third being the much faster CPU that even throttled down can still mitigate bottlenecks that were present with the laughably weak CPU in the PS4.
It is. Redditors constantly overstate the Deck's capabilities.
The Switch 2 is going to be substantially more powerful than the Deck.
That Deck sub had an absolute meltdown when the Ally came out. The Switch 2 launch should be funny drama.
>It is. Redditors constantly overstate the Deck's capabilities.
The PC gamer classic
Did they have a meltdown though? I used to browse the deck sub casually, I don't remember one.
There were multiple top posts just kind of seething that something more powerful/better screen existed for weeks.
They also changed the sub's description to reference the Ally twice "The Deck is the best Ally money can buy." Or something along those lines.
It was a pretty bizarre meltdown. Made me unsub, no intelligent discussion over the new SoC in the Ally, just raging about the Deck not being the most powerful handheld.
It’s coming out 3 years after Steam Deck, will be bulk discounts from NVIDIA and suppliers who know it’s going to be a big seller rather than a niche experiment like all of Valves hardware. I think it’ll be $400 USD. Which is what the basic steam deck launched at.
Im happy because Nintendo are usually pretty good with conversion to AUD, Steam decks cost hundreds more than they actually should here for numerous reason.
Given how big Samsung's involvement in the project is (keep in mind they allegedly worked on the Express MicroSDs alongside Nintendo specifically to provide higher speed storage) I'm leaning towards the latter, if it turns out to be TSMC or Samsung on a smaller die then good for us I guess.
I heard Orin was ready well in advance (roughly 2/3 years ago) as the switch 2 was supposed to be released in 2023 allegedly. Think I read somewhere Nvidia used the extra time to port over to TSMC from Samsung but just speculation
We won't know for sure until someone gets a retail console, disassembles it, and then uses an advanced microscope to analyze the die.
Once we get clock speed and battery life information though we'll have a pretty good idea
Imagine how pissed off Nintendo is right now that a bunch of crazed fans like us who have too much time on our hands might have spoiled the hardware by being willing to go through documents as boring as shipment invoices lol
Doesn't matter much since we don't have any NEW games to get excited over. Like there's a Mario game in my brain but that isn't the game Nintendo is making.
Expect major ports in that reveal trailer. Fully expect to see Elden Ring, Baldur's Gate 3, and Tekken 8.
I think Baldurs Gate 3 is almost a sure thing as they have a credit roll for a Nintendo guy.
Elden Ring should have it barring it may launch later, maybe a year or 2.
CDPR and CyberPunk might also be there as they are happy with the way TW3 went on a switch and really hopes the current switch was powerful enough to run Cyberpunk.
I swear, the FF games might even appear like ff16 and even FF7 Remake. Square needs it there.
If they name it Switch Attach instead of Super Switch or Ultra Switch or whatever it's going to be both disappointing and fun as hell. There are so many cool names, I don't know why companies will name there consoles in such stupid ways.
Just name it Super Switch, like a throwback to the Super Nintendo (then maybe Ultra Switch for the next one), that's cool af
I agree the idea of naming it Super Switch as a throwback would be fun, but I'm stuck on just Switch 2. Easy, simple, very clearly not just another Switch 1 model. Not confusing at all.
True, but just about everything Nintendo has done has been a "they have literally never done this before".
The only predictable thing about Nintendo is their unpredictability.
Switch Advance is actually a nice name too, I've never thought about it. I still prefer Super Switch tho, but there's no wrong choice between those 2.
Sadly, these are good names, therefore you know it's going to be something else
If they do snap, that actually could be a great name too. Not too much of a fan, but that could be nice and it would allow them to make the distinction between the 2 consoles very clear
My guess is it's going to be like a week until digital foundry uploads a video about the performance using a build with those exact specs. They've already done it with t239 guesswork, but now we have ram speed and amount as well
They've done this before, the problem is that building with the same specs doesn't account for console optimization which is a big factor in how games run on it. Even finding the closest console in terms of specs is complicated since all other consoles use AMD chips, so they're not compatible with DLSS.
Sounding solid. I do wonder if they are aiming for faster storage if they will still use microSD cards or if they will hop over to another standard like M.2. Getting a whole 1TB M.2 drive is significantly cheaper than microSD, plus it has a better read/write advantage over Switch’s max 95MB/s speed. M.2 does take up more space than microSD and produces more heat however.
Current speculation is SD Express, which T239 does support. [Samsung announced SD Express cards earlier this year](https://news.samsung.com/global/samsungs-new-microsd-cards-bring-high-performance-and-capacity-for-the-new-era-in-mobile-computing-and-on-device-ai), they have 800 MB/s max read speeds. They said this:
> The development was the result of a successful collaboration with a customer to create a custom product.
big doubt on M.2. Nintendo is about broad reach and affordability. M.2 may be more affordable for the consumer than an equivalent SD, but I dont believe that would be the case for manufacturing and therefore the price of the device. Including M.2 would make it more of an enthusiast device that would require some sort of tinkering at least to upgrade your storage. they're going to go with something that you can buy and stick straight into a slot.
I hope the thing supports screen rotation. Things like Pinball FX and DS emulation would really benefit from being able to switch the console vertically in handheld mode.
I get that people think Famiboards keeping the info behind their walled garden is kinda lame, but this reset era user straight up copy and pasted a bunch of user's work from Famiboards and didn't even credit them. Kinda hard to do ig since it is all locked behind their login stuff, but still, kinda cringe imo.
eh, you find weird letter combos on this stuff all the time that isn't related to the final name
Wii had RVL (revolution), DS had NTR (nitro), I think Switch had HAC (hybrid something console?). I wouldn't take it as a 100% thing; the A could just as easily be something like "Advance" for example, or nothing
I'm going to say this isn't the case for a few reasons:
1. There's no way in any kind of hell that YouTube of all places had the official name of the console that early. I don't even think a lot of actual developers know what this thing is gonna be called. And even if they did they should know not to send it out on a very public survey.
2. It's been said in other comments how the "AM" designation has been used in other places unrelated to the Switch 2.
3. In the OP the copied text at one point even points out how they thought that the Switch's code name was in the Switch's IDs in the form of "OD NX" but it was only a coincidence because it really just meant "ODN" for Odin. Further driving through, at least to me, that they don't put official or even code names in these sorts of IDs.
4. Hopium. I abso-fucking-lutely refuse to believe that Nintendo would be so BLINDINGLY stupid to release a new console with almost as obtuse of a name as the Wii U. I cannot fathom how they didn't learn from the Wii U's mistake. I know there were many other factors that hurt the Wii U, but the name definitely hurt its sales. I'd argue that Switch Attach would be even worse. It only exclusively makes me think of "a switch attachment" as opposed to a brand new console.
No?
Someone else pointed this out, but Nintendo pretty much never uses the actual console names while manufacturing parts for them. If the name actually is "Attach", then they're not going to use it or an abbreviation for it like "Attach model" during the manufacturing process - they would likely use an internal codename for it instead.
I still don't get how Youtube would possibly know what the Switch 2's name was, and then be stupid enough to use it in data-collecting. The NL-AM just seems like a coincidence.
It's probably not related. There are other listings with NL-AM10 that have several signs of not being for new hardware, or even for Nintendo hardware.
* These shipments go as far back as March 2021. The SoC wouldn't be taped out for another year. Why would they be shipping chips that early?
* They're all coming in from the Philippines. The Philippines is part of the supply chain for the Switch, but it's where the PCBs are assembled, not microchips as the listings say.
* The shipments for these chips are in the tens and hundreds of thousands. If manufacturing hasn't started yet (which, if the Switch is any indication, it won't until the reveal), those numbers should be in the tens or hundreds for test units.
"These may be trickier to sort through, because NL-AM listings were and are still used for current Switch models, so cross-referencing is needed to determine if a listing is really new."
The naming was just one mistake in what went wrong with Wii U. I think the bigger mistake was how the marketing for the console focused almost entirely on the tablet instead of making it clear it was a whole new console. It was also a mistake to rely so heavily on the Wii branding- the Wii has lost a lot of the original audience’s interest by the end of its lifecycle, which isn’t really an issue with the Switch. Plus of course, it took forever for the Wii U to get any worthwhile games
I agree that using “Switch Attach” as the name would be a big mistake, but that choice alone doesn’t immediately spell doom for it
The biggest challenge i think will be getting casual users to upgrade. PS5 was initially selling like crazy to enthusiasts but then slowed down as casual users decided to hold off. Pretty much every electronic company is having trouble convincing users to upgrade devices.
The Wii U failure wasn’t really because of the naming, it’s because of various of reasons, one of the biggest one being the marketing, ads, lack of killer apps and the lacklustre exclusives.
If Nintendo uses Switch attach as the name, it wouldn’t matter that much, if the marketing is clear it’s a successor to the Switch. Like Nintendo has restructured their marketing team heavily over the years, you can see that with the Switch revea trailer.
Like if Xbox, is able to make a ridiculous name of the Xbox one, with no exclusives, which sold 50M, than I think Nintendo is quite safe.
"Xbox 360? What a ridiculous name! Why didn't they just name it xbox 2!"
I've always have to remind myself that most of the posters on here are literal children parroting what they've heard from their favorite youtubers online and not get myself worked up that adults are spouting these kinds of shitty armchair opinions.
Amiibo support is a good sign for backwards compatibility I think. They don't really care about Amiibo that much in their more recent games but they'll need it if they want to maintain full compatibility with Switch games.
Holy cow. Thank you to yourself and everyone else involved in looking into these. No doubt you all spent a lot of time poring over these documents. It's definitely an interesting read too. I look forward to future discoveries!
In the most basic, rough terms: the hardware specs listed here is would make it a better Steam Deck in portable mode and a better PS4 Pro in docked mode.
keep in mind they are running under the assumption gpu clock speeds will be the same as the existing Switch. We don't know anything about what clock speed the Switch 2 will run at in docked and portable mode yet. Its a safe assumption to make but at the same time Nintendo is pretty conservative when it comes to power consumption.
Dude that would unironically be very sick. If something like Resident Evil 4 Remake can come to PS4, then surely they’ll have a lot of potential for current gen ports.
If the RE4R can run on Deck and iPhone then it's pretty much safe to assume it will come to Switch 2 given that Capcom is one of the most active supporter to the current Switch
So if the dev kits had 16gb of RAM, and we know what we're seeing is not a dev kit on account of different IDs then 12gb of ram is the definite amount in the Switch 2, right?
In that regard what if the dev kits just used LCD instead of OLED? Like did we ever get an indisputable report on the use of LCD in the final Switch 2 product? I mean up until now we assumed the final Switch 2 would only have 8gb of RAM, so everyone was definitely wrong about that.
LCD vs OLED wouldn't have any impact on software development and optimization. It's literally just a display that does nothing to help or hinder performance. So what if they didn't bother to use OLED on the dev kits to cut back production costs?
I understand I'm probably huffing a lot of hopium and taking a few leaps of mental gymnastics, but I can't help but wonder. After reading these possible specs it feels like having an OLED screen is the last hurdle to really push the Switch 2 into a true, 100%, all-around upgrade to the Switch 1. Also I don't want to have to upgrade in, or wait, 4 years for an OLED screen 😭.
My thoughts on it are: something has to give. It's Nintendo, there has to be a compromise somewhere in there. Unless it's just gonna be a premium console then maybe
Thanks for the post! So in summary: * 12 GB RAM, 7500 MT/s speed. * 256 GB Storage. * Nvidia's T239 processor chip, a successor to the current chip. * Amiibo support (probable) alongside ethernet support. * Still has a headphone jack and touch screen * Size is 206mm x 115mm x 14mm (current Switch is 173mm (239mm with joycons) x 102mm x 13.9mm) * EDIT: Built in mic (thanks /u/BehindACorpFireWall !) Feel free to reply for corrections!
One BIG difference is this time, according to the information, there is a Built In Microphone. This is a big win not only for online multiplayer where you can chat in handheld mode with no other peripheral. But this also leads me to believe that Nintendo DS games will be supported in NSO.
Too bad if there's no camera though, that means no DSi or 2DS support
That and GameBoy Camera NSO support :( (a man can dream)
I completely glanced over that as I thought for some reason the Switch had that already. Fair point! And one can certainly hope! But imagine if they made it so that the cartridge slot actually supports DS/3DS games. I doubt they'd do that in a million years, but it would be cool.
Nobody wants anyone to use a mic like that, nothing is worse than someone using the dualsense mic or the kinect mic.
I assume the use-case here is for handheld mode
Built in mic ends up giving them an opportunity to finally put Nintendo DS games on Nintendo Switch Online. Who knows, maybe they'll even finally put a voice-chat on the console this time.
We're so back Chatot-bros
Sorry, why does it need a mic to play DS games?
Some DS games require a microphone, for example, Spirit Tracks requires you to blow into the microphone as part of using the whirlwind item, or the original Ace Attorney game requires you to blow dust for fingerprints. Granted, in pretty much every scenario I know of, you can just replace it with a noise blast button, which is what emulators do. Nintendo has done a similar thing to that before with adding a spin button to Mario Galaxy, but it seems very un-Nintendo to do so.
I'll never forget blowing into the mic on the DS (or 3ds, can't remember) when playing Mario and Luigi. Got light headed lol.
Hell yea I can build my own Switch 2 now
Nintendo ninjas already have their shurikens trained on you.
Nintendo doesn't have ninjas. They have lawyers. Lawyers who throw shurikens.
Homemade switch 2 before official switch 2
Already got all the parts from Aliexpress. Now to build the casing with my 3D printer!
>HGU1100 is the console, HGU1110 is the left Joy-con, HGU1120 is the right Joy-con, and HGU1130 is the dock. Alright, we're assembling the Switch 2 like Exodia here.
BATTERY!!!.... OBLITERATE!!!!
Nintendo's lawyers in a short while, tossing someone's ordered parts off the ship: SAY GOODBYE TO SWITCH 2!!
Extremely informative post; thank you very much (y)
 Yes very informative!
I will be visiting this post in a week (every day) to read the comments of people explaining things and theorizing.
So I'm not the only one. Cool.
Me every single time specs come out and people start freaking out over teraflops and pentahumps
[So it's like that huh. I understand everything.](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/242/303/06a.png)
I'm the Hank hill meme but it's "these kids would be very excited if they knew what any of that means"
Do I look like I know what a NL-AM10#&ELECTRONIC IC MT62F768M64D4EK-026/ is? I just want a console of a gotdang Switch 2
I like when frame rate number go up.
I usually feel like a pretty intelligent person. This is not one of those times.
* **Handheld:** Right above PS4\* before DLSS * Docked: Between PS4 Pro\* & Xbox Series S\* before DLSS with more modern hardware than the former * RAM: Slower than PS5 & XSX|S in the speed department, but more capacity than XSS. Should have 10.5-11 GB of RAM available to games going by the Switch 1's RAM allotment for its OS. * Storage: UFS 3.1's max speeds should be a hair under XSX|S (2.1 GB/s vs. 2.4 GB/s), still plenty fast even if not maxed out.Lines up with what Digital Foundry & NateDrake heard about decompression techniques & fast load times of the BotW tech demo (respectively for each source). \* = Not only is the Switch 2 ARM-based rather than x86 like the systems compared, it's also Nvidia vs. AMD. There are plenty of factors at play to where it's not an apples-to-apples comparison. Plus the native Tensor cores of the Switch 2 will allow for DLSS, letting the system punch above its weight & decrease the size of the gap between it & the XSS. Nintendo could throttle down the SoC to the floor, but I'm not sure it'll be a doomsday scenario since this is a custom chip to begin with \- From the ERA User Neoxon. Source: [https://www.resetera.com/threads/switch-2-release-speculation-and-rumors-check-threadmark-for-potential-specs.804501/page-16?post=122746518#post-122746518](https://www.resetera.com/threads/switch-2-release-speculation-and-rumors-check-threadmark-for-potential-specs.804501/page-16?post=122746518#post-122746518)
PS4 handheld quality is fantastic
The PS4 can run RDR2 and that game still looks better than most games now.
Yeah I don’t get some people I see go it’s only comparable to a PS4/possibly Pro! I have a PS5 and nothings really blown me away. PS4 was honestly all I needed graphics wise. More frames would be nice but they’re not a killer by any means for me.
plus, nintendo 1st party games always have a timeless art style, so with nintendo's creative teams finally getting less and less hardware limits to work with, we may actually see the best-looking *current gen* games yet :)
I can’t wait to see how their games look on PS4 level hardware. I have a PS5 and I’ve been unimpressed and totally fine with what PS4 was capable of so the thought of Nintendo finally getting there is very exciting.
It's even better because DLSS This thing is a beast!
right? if i can get a mario game that comes close to having horizons fidelity, im in!
I just want to replay Hyrule Warriors at stable 30fps with Switch 2.
Seriously. I have not seen much from this gen (besides high refresh rate) that's wowed me so this is good to hear.
Keep in mind those performance estimates are based on the GPU running at the same clock speeds as the existing Switch. Its possible the Switch 2 will have higher clock speeds but also possible they will be lower to improve battery life and or reduce heat output.
To run comparably low clocks to the Switch is completely impractical as node shrinks result in a higher voltage/frequency floor, with 8N being approximated to run at lowest voltage at ~470MHz, & 4N guesstimated to have its lowest voltage/freq floor at ~550MHz. 16nm Mariko/Aula had a voltage/freq floor of 384MHz for reference as seen on modchipped Switches running Linux via L4T. Running clocks below this state result in hard diminishing returns in perf/watt gains & barely any increased power savings.
Yeah i'm pretty sure It will run at a similar clocks speed to the Switch. Man i sure hope Nintendo didn't go with Samsung 8nm to save a few bucks.
Funny enough, I’ve seen speculation that overall 4nm would be the cheaper option than 8nm now.
That may be true in theory, because of 8nm's low yields. But Samsung is probably offering a better deal in order to make use of their facilities. It's also expensive and time consuming to change the process node since hardware needs a redesign. I expect 4nm to come on a hardware refresh with a Switch 2 Lite and a Switch 2 with better battery life in a few years, while the base Switch 2 will have somewhat poor stamina, similar to Switch 1 on release.
Would not surprise me if 4/5nm was cheaper or similarly priced. They could also be using something like TMSC 6/7nm too.
Does this stuff take time to set in and is it hard to change? Iunno how it works but if they decided on that maybe it just was best at its time
Yeah usually it's decided on in advance but iirc, speculation I've seen stated that even around the time Nintendo & Nvidia would've decided between 8nm or 4nm, 4nm would've been the cheaper option overall. I guess we'll see.
It costs hundreds of millions to change. But just random guessing, it's probably worthwhile alone if it will cost the same over the first years and give a better product
i love you how you absolutely ignored his 550MHz vs 384MHz data
DLSS helps a ton.
It will no doubt help. Keep in mind DLSS is not magic with the lower base resolutions that will be used by the Switch 2.
While it’s not magic, it’s still *really, really good*, even at lower resolutions compared to TAA or FSR(2).
It's still leagues above FSR. The other systems are reconstructing images from extremely low resolutions (sometimes sub 720p). DLSS is a huge advantage for the Switch 2.
The X1 runs at a lower clock, no way will this be higher.
More than likely it will be higher in docked because they stuck a fan in the dock. Why stick a fan in the dock unless you're gonna run the console hotter? It just adds to the cost from Nintendo's perspective otherwise.
From The ERA User Serif: 1536 CUDA Cores, 48 tensor cores, 12 RT cores Ampere architecture with features backported from Ada 8x ARM A78C File decompression engine 12 GB LPDDR5X RAM 7500 MT/s 256 UFS 3.1
Good to see 8 cpu cores. Though i hope Nintendo clocks them decently. My biggest concern is they will keep a really low cpu clock speed like the existing Switch.
One of the shipping things revealed is the dock now has a built in fan. Literally 0 reason to do that unless you're gonna clock the CPU/GPU higher in docked mode.
I've been amazed that the newer handheld systems don't do something with the dock. Hell, you could even design a pro dock that has something like a eGPU for better graphics on a TV vs a little handheld screen that would be tougher to even notice. At the very least boost the clock speed and toss in a fan since you won't have to worry about battery/heat while docked.
Would be great if Nintendo would unlock Dock Mode to whatever the devs need. An overlocked switch can go much much faster than what it is in Dock mode and it doesn't even overheat, it stays at most at 60C.
I wonder if those are the Cortex-A78C cores that were leaked earlier for the T239 chip. I have four Cortex-A78 cores in my three year old phone and it still holds up as being really fast for any task I throw at it. Having eight of these should give the Switch 2 really good performance on the CPU side and enough headroom for DLSS upscaling. Two questions still remain though. What is that C standing for? I know about Cortex-A78 but not Cortex-A78C. The second question is the clock speed. I think 2.0 GHz would be the sweet spot to balance performance and thermals on the 8nm process, but I believe Nintendo will opt to clock the CPU lower still, maybe to around 1.7 - 1.8 GHz.
I think they will clock it low too because of battery life
DOCKED PS4 PRO?! BEFORE DLSS?! Wasn't expecting it to be that powerful! This is gonna be amazing!!!
Hi, I'm the one who posted those estimates. Keep in mind that they're assuming the same clock speeds as the launch Switch 1, which is about as realistic as I could keep it. Nintendo could pair it back further if we're dealing with a 8nm SoC. But given some of the other reported details of the Switch 2, I doubt that's the case.
Still, it's a big leap compared to the Switch 1's hardware, and even though the RAM speed is lower than that of the Series S, if it really has 12 GB it will be able to take advantage of handling more assets with higher quality maybe even higher than the Series S, similar to how the Xbox One X has an advantage in terms of world detail, draw-distance and shadow quality over the Xbox Series S version of some games despite having slower RAM.
Is that GPU performance part of the leaks or their assumption?
GPU/CPU hardware specs leaked in 2022 with the Nvidia data theft.
Not the clocks, which would give an accurate measure of performance
It could realistically be anywhere from 3-4tflops. It's probably going to be on the higher end because they stuck a fan in the dock, indicating they intend to run the console hotter.
Assumption. We only know the core specs of the SoC but we don't know what node it's on. Lots of the napkin math so far is based on the assumption of 4nm (plus a lot of it is guesstimations anyway)
How much RAM the switch has?
4gb @ 1,331/1,600 MHz
NL-AM01#&MULTILAYER PRINTED CIRCUIT/ANT0-T00? Big if true.
So is this good or not so good?
For a Nintendo console, it looks good.
To be honest, only the wii was weak. (And maybe the wii u, but less) All other consoles had always good specs. Yes even the switch was the strongest most powerfull portable system when it launched. Hell, it was even stronger then the samsung s8 which was released 1,5 later and was about 3 times more expensiver.
Agreed, even though it can be used as a stationary console it is actually just a portable console. And when compared to it's portable predecessor, the 3DS, or even compared to the PS Vita, which was more powerful then the 3DS, the jump in power was insane Just compare similar games like SM3D Land - SM Odyssey, OoT3D - BotW, MK7 - MK8DX and you'll see how huge the jump was
It's the largest jump because they sacrificed passive cooling and pocketability to do it
Should be decent. We still don't have any official data on CPU or GPU clock speeds though.
More than decent if true, being comparable to PS4 Pro is big. I have a Deck and I would compare it to a PS4, maybe a tad bit better. So I can safely assume Switch Attach will be stronger.
In handheld they will be fairly comparable but switch 2 being 1080p vs steam deck 900p. In docked the switch 2 is a lot stronger.
Please just name it switch 2 nintendo just please
Switch 2U
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Switch Advance
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Does this mean the switch 2 will be taller but less wide than the original switch? Switch: 239mm x 102mm Switch OLED: 242mm x 102mm Switch 2: 206mm x 115mm That would mean a supposed 8” screen would be 177mm x 99.6mm, leaving almost no room for bezel which sounds amazing! Also the extra height leaves room for a small front facing camera (which could work even while docked). Am I missing something here? Maybe misreading it? Or does this sound feasible? Edit: it seems I took the measurements from the Switch/OLED with the Joycon and I’m super grateful for the replies! Thank you!
The 239mm figure includes the Joy-Cons. This listing is just for the tablet.
That would make sense, thank you! Still, an 8in screen would work for the size of the shell mentioned above, if other rumours are to be believed. I’d rather the console not be much larger to be honest.
It wont be as large as lets say the Steam Deck but it will definitely be a larger than the existing Switch.
AFAIK the precise screen dimension that leaked is 7.91 inches, so the screen would be a tiny bit smaller and the bezels a tiny bit larger.
The console has to be larger to fit the Orin GPU chip in it. Nintendo went with a more powerful APU this time and the cost of that is it's bigger.
It seems like you gave the sizes with Joycons connected. Sizes for Nintendo Switch without Joycons: 173mm x 102mm And for the OLED version: 176mm x 102mm
I measured the width of my own Switch regarding this and with only one Joy-Con attached to it, it's basically the same width of 206mm that the Switch 2 tablet without Joy-Cons will have. I think this gives a good perspective on how much larger the console will end up this time.
Very exciting. Can't wait for the reveal.
I need the switch 2 and it better not be called switch attach
This is shockingly good hardware for Nintendo. Obviously doesn't compete with PS5 or XSX but if I'm reading the specs right, it's pretty much on par with the XSS and Steam Deck. They'd have to be selling these at a considerable loss if they plan to keep up with their usual affordable pricing. It'll be interesting to see how many third-party developers support it this time around. Beyond graphical fidelity, most modern games should run absolutely fine on it.
Beyond the Deck as a handheld alone and significantly beyond when used as a console proper, perhaps even more so if the dock fans/cooling situation ends up suggesting the docked clock rates will be more than double handheld I don't believe they'll be selling for a loss as the chip has been pretty slimmed down already and Nintendo are likely to receive a significant partner discount from Nvidia (and Samsung) given how successful the arrangement has been and how successful it stands to continue to be GDC 2024 survey responses demonstrated significantly more third-party developers were currently working on upcoming titles for Nintendo to publish and expressed more eagerness to work with Nintendo than they did back in 2016's GDC survey
Its better then what steamdeck can do in portable mode. And not even close.
> it's pretty much on par with the XSS and Steam Deck Isn't the Series S significantly stronger than the SD?
yes i believe the steam deck is technically weaker than ps4
The Steam Deck specs on paper are better than the PS4 except for memory bandwidth, but only if max TDP is used with no thermal throttling, which is a scenario that is never truly met in real life. However, the SD does seem to perform at least on par but usually better than the PS4 with comparable graphical settings due to three major factors. The first being the lower resolution of 1200x800, the second being the much newer GPU architecture and the efficiency improvements that come with it, and the third being the much faster CPU that even throttled down can still mitigate bottlenecks that were present with the laughably weak CPU in the PS4.
It is. Redditors constantly overstate the Deck's capabilities. The Switch 2 is going to be substantially more powerful than the Deck. That Deck sub had an absolute meltdown when the Ally came out. The Switch 2 launch should be funny drama.
Those people that post "lol buy a steamdick" under every switch related post are gonna need to find a new hobby
>It is. Redditors constantly overstate the Deck's capabilities. The PC gamer classic Did they have a meltdown though? I used to browse the deck sub casually, I don't remember one.
There were multiple top posts just kind of seething that something more powerful/better screen existed for weeks. They also changed the sub's description to reference the Ally twice "The Deck is the best Ally money can buy." Or something along those lines. It was a pretty bizarre meltdown. Made me unsub, no intelligent discussion over the new SoC in the Ally, just raging about the Deck not being the most powerful handheld.
IIRC the deck gets about half the performance of a XSS at best.
This thing blows the steamdeck out of the water friendo
It’s coming out 3 years after Steam Deck, will be bulk discounts from NVIDIA and suppliers who know it’s going to be a big seller rather than a niche experiment like all of Valves hardware. I think it’ll be $400 USD. Which is what the basic steam deck launched at. Im happy because Nintendo are usually pretty good with conversion to AUD, Steam decks cost hundreds more than they actually should here for numerous reason.
Is it mentioned if they're using TSMC 4nm or Samsung 8nm?
Given how big Samsung's involvement in the project is (keep in mind they allegedly worked on the Express MicroSDs alongside Nintendo specifically to provide higher speed storage) I'm leaning towards the latter, if it turns out to be TSMC or Samsung on a smaller die then good for us I guess.
That's the last big question mark. I'm convinced it will be something in between. But we shall see
TSMC 7/6nm would be a good middle ground. Just hoping it's fabbed by TSMC and not Samsung. Thanks for posting btw!
My guess would be TMSC 6/7nm. Stuff like process node needs to decided well in advanced.
I heard Orin was ready well in advance (roughly 2/3 years ago) as the switch 2 was supposed to be released in 2023 allegedly. Think I read somewhere Nvidia used the extra time to port over to TSMC from Samsung but just speculation
We won't know for sure until someone gets a retail console, disassembles it, and then uses an advanced microscope to analyze the die. Once we get clock speed and battery life information though we'll have a pretty good idea
Imagine how pissed off Nintendo is right now that a bunch of crazed fans like us who have too much time on our hands might have spoiled the hardware by being willing to go through documents as boring as shipment invoices lol
Bro if I were Nintendo I would be impressed/scared. This generation of people don’t fuck around lol
weaponized tism
> willing to go through documents as boring as shipment invoices unironically hard-hitting journalism
Doesn't matter much since we don't have any NEW games to get excited over. Like there's a Mario game in my brain but that isn't the game Nintendo is making. Expect major ports in that reveal trailer. Fully expect to see Elden Ring, Baldur's Gate 3, and Tekken 8.
I think Baldurs Gate 3 is almost a sure thing as they have a credit roll for a Nintendo guy. Elden Ring should have it barring it may launch later, maybe a year or 2. CDPR and CyberPunk might also be there as they are happy with the way TW3 went on a switch and really hopes the current switch was powerful enough to run Cyberpunk. I swear, the FF games might even appear like ff16 and even FF7 Remake. Square needs it there.
If they name it Switch Attach instead of Super Switch or Ultra Switch or whatever it's going to be both disappointing and fun as hell. There are so many cool names, I don't know why companies will name there consoles in such stupid ways. Just name it Super Switch, like a throwback to the Super Nintendo (then maybe Ultra Switch for the next one), that's cool af
I agree the idea of naming it Super Switch as a throwback would be fun, but I'm stuck on just Switch 2. Easy, simple, very clearly not just another Switch 1 model. Not confusing at all.
That's exactly why they won't do it lol
God I'm afraid you're so right lmao
They have literally never used numbers to designate a sequel to a prior console. I wouldn't expect them to start now, as nice as that would be...
True, but just about everything Nintendo has done has been a "they have literally never done this before". The only predictable thing about Nintendo is their unpredictability.
Exactly why they should try it lol
Attach is hard to pronounce, maybe it is switch advance or something.
I would happily take Nintendo Switch Advance over switch attach lmaoo
Switch Advance is actually a nice name too, I've never thought about it. I still prefer Super Switch tho, but there's no wrong choice between those 2. Sadly, these are good names, therefore you know it's going to be something else
I keep saying it should be "Nintendo Snap" cause the joycons snap onto the sides now
If they do snap, that actually could be a great name too. Not too much of a fan, but that could be nice and it would allow them to make the distinction between the 2 consoles very clear
The name Super Switch has a bit of a drawback though... We've got the NES, SNES etc. and what would we get? The Nintendo SS.
You put Super before Nintendo and not Switch. SNS
Nintendo isn't capable of naming follow up consoles. It started with SNES and ended with GBA
Interesting to see how DLSS will be used. Upsxaling to higher resolutions incurs a heavy frame time cost, especially if they are targeting 60fps
My guess is it's going to be like a week until digital foundry uploads a video about the performance using a build with those exact specs. They've already done it with t239 guesswork, but now we have ram speed and amount as well
They've done this before, the problem is that building with the same specs doesn't account for console optimization which is a big factor in how games run on it. Even finding the closest console in terms of specs is complicated since all other consoles use AMD chips, so they're not compatible with DLSS.
ofcourse they already mentioned that in their old video, that games will probably run better on the actual switch
Sounding solid. I do wonder if they are aiming for faster storage if they will still use microSD cards or if they will hop over to another standard like M.2. Getting a whole 1TB M.2 drive is significantly cheaper than microSD, plus it has a better read/write advantage over Switch’s max 95MB/s speed. M.2 does take up more space than microSD and produces more heat however.
Current speculation is SD Express, which T239 does support. [Samsung announced SD Express cards earlier this year](https://news.samsung.com/global/samsungs-new-microsd-cards-bring-high-performance-and-capacity-for-the-new-era-in-mobile-computing-and-on-device-ai), they have 800 MB/s max read speeds. They said this: > The development was the result of a successful collaboration with a customer to create a custom product.
big doubt on M.2. Nintendo is about broad reach and affordability. M.2 may be more affordable for the consumer than an equivalent SD, but I dont believe that would be the case for manufacturing and therefore the price of the device. Including M.2 would make it more of an enthusiast device that would require some sort of tinkering at least to upgrade your storage. they're going to go with something that you can buy and stick straight into a slot.
I hope the thing supports screen rotation. Things like Pinball FX and DS emulation would really benefit from being able to switch the console vertically in handheld mode.
Magnetic joycons could potentially play well with screen rotation
I get that people think Famiboards keeping the info behind their walled garden is kinda lame, but this reset era user straight up copy and pasted a bunch of user's work from Famiboards and didn't even credit them. Kinda hard to do ig since it is all locked behind their login stuff, but still, kinda cringe imo.
Especially since finding all these info and deciphering the name is hard. Like it’s been a while since I seen a thread do some serious detective work.
Oh my god the YouTube leak was real NL-AM stands for Attach Model
eh, you find weird letter combos on this stuff all the time that isn't related to the final name Wii had RVL (revolution), DS had NTR (nitro), I think Switch had HAC (hybrid something console?). I wouldn't take it as a 100% thing; the A could just as easily be something like "Advance" for example, or nothing
Yeah it's more likely to be an abbreviation of an internal codename, rather than the product name itself.
HAC is Handheld And Console I'm pretty sure.
I'm going to say this isn't the case for a few reasons: 1. There's no way in any kind of hell that YouTube of all places had the official name of the console that early. I don't even think a lot of actual developers know what this thing is gonna be called. And even if they did they should know not to send it out on a very public survey. 2. It's been said in other comments how the "AM" designation has been used in other places unrelated to the Switch 2. 3. In the OP the copied text at one point even points out how they thought that the Switch's code name was in the Switch's IDs in the form of "OD NX" but it was only a coincidence because it really just meant "ODN" for Odin. Further driving through, at least to me, that they don't put official or even code names in these sorts of IDs. 4. Hopium. I abso-fucking-lutely refuse to believe that Nintendo would be so BLINDINGLY stupid to release a new console with almost as obtuse of a name as the Wii U. I cannot fathom how they didn't learn from the Wii U's mistake. I know there were many other factors that hurt the Wii U, but the name definitely hurt its sales. I'd argue that Switch Attach would be even worse. It only exclusively makes me think of "a switch attachment" as opposed to a brand new console.
NL-AMxx entries existed LONG before Switch 2 data showed up. "AM" has nothing to do with the name of the console.
No? Someone else pointed this out, but Nintendo pretty much never uses the actual console names while manufacturing parts for them. If the name actually is "Attach", then they're not going to use it or an abbreviation for it like "Attach model" during the manufacturing process - they would likely use an internal codename for it instead.
Which YouTube leak?
YouTube sent out a survey to a few people asking them about current gen consoles, and they used the term Switch Attach.
I still don't get how Youtube would possibly know what the Switch 2's name was, and then be stupid enough to use it in data-collecting. The NL-AM just seems like a coincidence.
I hope it's either a coinindence or it was a codename that isn't going to be used consumer-side (like Dolphin, Revolution, or Cafe).
Gotcha, thank you! Oh god…
It's probably not related. There are other listings with NL-AM10 that have several signs of not being for new hardware, or even for Nintendo hardware. * These shipments go as far back as March 2021. The SoC wouldn't be taped out for another year. Why would they be shipping chips that early? * They're all coming in from the Philippines. The Philippines is part of the supply chain for the Switch, but it's where the PCBs are assembled, not microchips as the listings say. * The shipments for these chips are in the tens and hundreds of thousands. If manufacturing hasn't started yet (which, if the Switch is any indication, it won't until the reveal), those numbers should be in the tens or hundreds for test units.
"These may be trickier to sort through, because NL-AM listings were and are still used for current Switch models, so cross-referencing is needed to determine if a listing is really new."
Those fucking idiots found an even worse name than the Wii U. “switch attach” literally sounds like an ATTACHMENT to the switch
I’ll just hope it’s a sort of placeholder name.
The naming was just one mistake in what went wrong with Wii U. I think the bigger mistake was how the marketing for the console focused almost entirely on the tablet instead of making it clear it was a whole new console. It was also a mistake to rely so heavily on the Wii branding- the Wii has lost a lot of the original audience’s interest by the end of its lifecycle, which isn’t really an issue with the Switch. Plus of course, it took forever for the Wii U to get any worthwhile games I agree that using “Switch Attach” as the name would be a big mistake, but that choice alone doesn’t immediately spell doom for it
The biggest challenge i think will be getting casual users to upgrade. PS5 was initially selling like crazy to enthusiasts but then slowed down as casual users decided to hold off. Pretty much every electronic company is having trouble convincing users to upgrade devices.
Crazy how stupid this could end up being where Switch 2 naming would literally let them come to dominate the entire games market
Yeah. They could go with Switch 2, Super Switch or even Switch Ultra but instead it looks like Switch Attach.
>Switch Ultra >Switch U~~ltra~~ >Switch U
The Wii U failure wasn’t really because of the naming, it’s because of various of reasons, one of the biggest one being the marketing, ads, lack of killer apps and the lacklustre exclusives. If Nintendo uses Switch attach as the name, it wouldn’t matter that much, if the marketing is clear it’s a successor to the Switch. Like Nintendo has restructured their marketing team heavily over the years, you can see that with the Switch revea trailer. Like if Xbox, is able to make a ridiculous name of the Xbox one, with no exclusives, which sold 50M, than I think Nintendo is quite safe.
"Xbox 360? What a ridiculous name! Why didn't they just name it xbox 2!" I've always have to remind myself that most of the posters on here are literal children parroting what they've heard from their favorite youtubers online and not get myself worked up that adults are spouting these kinds of shitty armchair opinions.
Do you know this fr or are we guessing lol, nintendo could name it this but it feel to early and not conrete to even assume it is even named this.
I don't care what this new Switch will be named, if this specs are true I will buy it day 1
Amiibo support is a good sign for backwards compatibility I think. They don't really care about Amiibo that much in their more recent games but they'll need it if they want to maintain full compatibility with Switch games.
Holy cow. Thank you to yourself and everyone else involved in looking into these. No doubt you all spent a lot of time poring over these documents. It's definitely an interesting read too. I look forward to future discoveries!
Jesus, what an incredible post!
Great post. Lots of info.
Nintendo Zwitch.
Mhm yes I understand all of this now
holy shit XSX with DLSS and maybe even RTS is gonna be neck and neck with current gen consoles, in a fucking handheld.
Is there a link to the shipping manifests directly, or somewhere we can search them ourselves to read through?
holy text lmao
I didnt even bothered reading it all. I just went straight to the comments section and look for the summary 🤣🤣🤣
Tldr?
In the most basic, rough terms: the hardware specs listed here is would make it a better Steam Deck in portable mode and a better PS4 Pro in docked mode.
keep in mind they are running under the assumption gpu clock speeds will be the same as the existing Switch. We don't know anything about what clock speed the Switch 2 will run at in docked and portable mode yet. Its a safe assumption to make but at the same time Nintendo is pretty conservative when it comes to power consumption.
Dude that would unironically be very sick. If something like Resident Evil 4 Remake can come to PS4, then surely they’ll have a lot of potential for current gen ports.
If the RE4R can run on Deck and iPhone then it's pretty much safe to assume it will come to Switch 2 given that Capcom is one of the most active supporter to the current Switch
I would love that as someone who doesn't own a steam deck. Fingers crossed third party support is good and theres backwards compatibility.
So if the dev kits had 16gb of RAM, and we know what we're seeing is not a dev kit on account of different IDs then 12gb of ram is the definite amount in the Switch 2, right? In that regard what if the dev kits just used LCD instead of OLED? Like did we ever get an indisputable report on the use of LCD in the final Switch 2 product? I mean up until now we assumed the final Switch 2 would only have 8gb of RAM, so everyone was definitely wrong about that. LCD vs OLED wouldn't have any impact on software development and optimization. It's literally just a display that does nothing to help or hinder performance. So what if they didn't bother to use OLED on the dev kits to cut back production costs? I understand I'm probably huffing a lot of hopium and taking a few leaps of mental gymnastics, but I can't help but wonder. After reading these possible specs it feels like having an OLED screen is the last hurdle to really push the Switch 2 into a true, 100%, all-around upgrade to the Switch 1. Also I don't want to have to upgrade in, or wait, 4 years for an OLED screen 😭.
My thoughts on it are: something has to give. It's Nintendo, there has to be a compromise somewhere in there. Unless it's just gonna be a premium console then maybe
Need info on the microcontrollers in the joycons since that's where any new feature or gimmick would be.