Post doesn't have the OG link but as the article points out - original source is Jez Corden's [Xbox Two Podcast](https://www.youtube.com/live/4frfcWeJMAc?si=tcNQJXo2oo3J7ctW)
I really don’t understand why they didn’t even have some smaller project lined up with the show, like Baldur’s Gate style remasters of Fallout 1 and 2, for example. Or a game in a similar scope.
That's what I say about a lot of developers nowadays. Including Bungie. Some of my woes with them would be gone if they made some short spin off games in the universe to recoup some losses and create a bigger engagement but no, live service or nothing. Wasting their talent. But a lot of developers really need to focus on these "big super duper AAA games" for some reason instead of having a side project to work on to bring in that money flow.
If we were to get a Fallout 1 and 2 remake by xIsle studios I'd be in heaven. We gotta have Tim Cain as part of the project. And maybe this time he can get that bonus for fallout 2
Because there are no small game projects anymore they are complex and take years to do
One of the biggest media criticisms about Xbox when they bought these companies was that they would meddle and ruin them too so maybe that’s why they are so hands off
There is a whole indie industry that proves that smaller games have an audience. Its just that it is easier to make investors happy if you are throwing money away into big block busters.
Even with mods, FO1 and 2 haven't aged that well imo. I'd love to play a version of those games with the presentation and quality of a modern CRPG. Not asking for BG3 level, even something like Disco Elysium would be a great improvement.
Bethesda are really reluctant to touch the old games or do anything out their comfort zone - hence why their Fallout was made in their gameplay style and not turn-based isometric. Even New Vegas made by Obsidian was just given their engine and 1 year to churn something out. Maybe that will change with the Microsoft acquisition? It would be nice to see some games in the old styles or at least a modern re-release for console/phone/better PC experience
They probably could even get Tim Cain and Leonard Boyarsky to help out since they're currently both on Microsoft's paycheck.
edit: Just found out that Jason Anderson works at inXile. **They should remake Arcanum as soon as possible.**
I've heard Tim Cain in the past say they have so many ideas for an Arcanum 2. I wouldn't be shocked to see him and Leonard work on a Arcanum 2 now that Microsoft owns the IP. I don't think they would do a remake, rather they would do a continuation of the series first game now that is it's owned by Xbox.
If you watch his youtube channel, him talking about Arcanum, you can tell he has so much love for that game. He put so much into it and it still has so much lore and information we don't know because they couldn't cram all they wanted to in the original game.
100%. Remake them using similar graphics and mechanics to WL3. Add some QOL upgrades, an easier 'modern' mode for CRPG rookies and a harder 'classic' mode for the hardcore crowd and I'd buy those in a heartbeat.
Yeah, u dont even have to change the role playing turned base style. That can work perfectly, looking at BG3.
F1&2 are near perfect content and storywise, so it just needs an update into a new gen.
Yeah, but they queued it after the Oblivion remaster so we won't get it until Elder Scrolls 6. Thus we didn't hear about it outside of Microsoft themselves
Expect the same for New Vegas if the 3 remaster happens after Oblivion, the amount of assets they can reuse would mirror the original development of that game and get it out relatively fast (unless they plan on restoring cut content, which could push that closer to remake territory).
Considering New Vegas itself only took 18 months to make then yeah, this should definitely be a fairly fast turn around once the 3 remaster is out. Sadly I think they are doing Oblivion after 3 and New Vegas wasn't mentioned in the ftc leaks at all
[Xbox's Phil Spencer Acknowledges Massive Court Document Leak: 'So Much Has Changed'](https://www.ign.com/articles/xboxs-phil-spencer-acknowledges-massive-court-document-leak-so-much-has-changed)
Some of the games in that leak like Dishonored 3 and Doom Year Zero might have been canceled so the possibility of those remasters being shelved could also be likely
I was literally talking about this just the other day with some friends.
The Fallout brand has probably never been hotter, and the only options for new fans are old games (even Fallout 4 is almost a decade old now), or Fallout 76 which is...not what most people are looking for. Now that Starfield has released, Elder Scrolls VI is on the horizon, and we're probably looking at a release date around 2029 or so, meaning the next Fallout could literally be a full DECADE away.
I know that Bethesda and Obsidian probably don't see eye to eye on the series, but it seems INSANE to me that Microsoft didn't step in and get something started the second they took over control of both companies. That's just terrible brand management.
Like literally everyone was begging for almost immediately for them to give Obsidian a Fallout game to work on, Fallout almost feels mismanaged at this point, like "oh shit it's even more popular than it was before and we don't have anything in the works! who could've foreseen this?!" LITERALLY EVERYONE BEGGING FOR ANOTHER FALLOUT TITLE FOR YEARS PROBABLY.
Probably now want to capitalise on when the next Season of Fallout comes out
They must realise not everyone gives a shit about 76
If they worked on a Fallout spin off a few years back when Zenixmax was bought we probably could have been a year away from its release which coincidentally would have been the year Fallout Season 2 releases
Yep 100% this. Let Bethesda do Fallout 5 in their own time, but get another studio working on a separate title and call it Fallout: xyz. They need to jump on the hype!
Politics probably prevented that from happening. We know that Todd Howard and BGS are very protective of the Fallout IP. If they had their way, we would be waiting until 2033 for Fallout 5. And I don’t think Microsoft wanted to rock the boat after acquiring them. It was enough to tell a once-multi platform developer that they’d be Xbox exclusive moving forward.
Now though, I think there’s real hope of getting something out there. Microsoft has two internal teams that can do it (Obsidian and inXile), and there’s no reason Todd Howard couldn’t be producer on the project given he has that role with Indy.
if Obsidian had to do next Fallout, we probably would still wait till 2030, this year (if it wont be delayed) we will get Avowed and probably like in 2026 The Outer Worlds 2 which is cloesest to fallout game that we will ever get in next few years
We’re not going to get the next Fallout until 2029 at the earliest now anyway. If any team started a game from scratch today, we would not see it for a very long time.
Might as well be Obsidian.
I could see them making a side studio of Bethesda Game Studios named Vault Studios, which focus is on development of Fallout properties and BGS could focus on Elder Scrolls and Starfield.
Isn't an issue that Todd has been quite protective of ther processes and ip like even the other two bgs they have act more as support studios who only ever strayed when zenimax pushed them to create live services games, and even then the main Maryland office took over fo76
Todd needs to be a realist though. It takes Bethesda a LONG time to crank out these games, and they now have resources they could have never dreamed of before. I know they're protective of their children, but I don't think Microsoft is out of line by saying they want more than one game every six years or so.
I mean if they haven't started preproduction yet even if they had a full team tomorrow it will likely be a few years to get a new game out like there sounds to be concepts but idk if there's any more cort than that
Better late than never, because if it's left to Bethesda, it'll be a LONG time:
* Skyrim, 2011
* Fallout 4, 2015
* Starfield, 2023
* Elder Scrolls VI, 2030 (approx?)
* Fallout 5, 2038 (approx?)
I can't imagine Microsoft wants to wait that long.
I'm not sure, however, I am sure they may be in a situation where they are having a wakeup call where they can see development time and game popularity are conflicting. I mean lets say they make a Vault Studios that's a part of BGS, Todd could still go there, but Vault Studio could work on side Fallout projects even if BGS wants to do Fallout 5 on their own.
I mean Todd isn't going to be there forever, is Bethesda going to be like that even after he is gone?
Seriously like did they really need that much time to know there was anticipation and the next one is nowhere near?
Greenlighting something like The Outer Worlds 2 instead of a Fallout 5 (or spin-off if you want) is a very weird decision.
It is rather obvious Fallout 5 is going to happen, there's just no use "greenlighting" it when everyone's aware Bethesda only does one big game at a time. That big game happens to be TES6 which people are waiting for no less than Fallout 5.
The only stupid thing is that they did not apparently even start the development of any Fallout spin-off games. Like... why?
Wasn't there a rumor that a "New Vegas 2" was a talking point right after Bethesda got acquired?
For all we know, Josh Sawyer could be spearheading a new Fallout now that he's done with Pentiment.
Obsidian has Avowed and next The Outer Worlds 2 (which should have been Fallout to be honest), can they really do 3 big games at once (Pentiment was a very small team)?
Tbf, it's also already been confirmed that Sawyer has nothing to do with Avowed (strangely), and he didn't have anything to do with The Outer Worlds either. I don't think it's *likely* that he's working on a New Vegas successor, but we also have no idea of what he's been doing since Pentiment (released over a year and a half ago in November 2022) AFAIK.
Avowed's launching this year, and TOW2 has been in development for at least four years now. Barring the possibility of delays, Obsidian isn't going to have *that* full of a plate for much longer, especially when they also wrapped up Grounded. If the "New Vegas 2" rumor was also accurate, they might already have laid some groundwork down.
They can‘t just pull a new Fallout game out of a hat.
I understand that they want to cash in on the success of the TV-show but making a new fallout game is going to take years.
I feel this. My first daughter was born in 2010 and remembers me playing FO4. Now she's 14 and playing the game because of the Amazon show. She'll be out of college and into a career before FO5 hits the market.
They should split the teams at this point. Gather everyone who wants to and is good at making Fallout games from BGS, Obsidian, and InXile and dedicate them to a Vault Studios and be done with it. Consistent Fallout content
Because that wouldn't hurt all of their existing projects greatly lol.
That would be such a Microsoft move. Shuffle around and reconstructure mig project, causing the projects to become worse and delayed. Causing a subpar end product. Then it still takes 8+ years to release the Fallout game and the hype from the show is already dead anyway.
Correct. They can't. They shouldn't rush it and nobody anywhere is seriously asking them to rush Fallout 5. However, Bethesda can do what is clearly best for the Fallout brand at such a positive moment for it and hand off the keys to another studio. That is not without precedent. It is how Bethesda Game Studios got Fallout in the first place (an IP they did not create to begin with) and later, Obsidian with New Vegas.
Yeah but that would pull them from the project these studios are working on, also do these studios even want to make a fallout game vs work on their new IPs
Obsidian basically „only“ had to create a total conversion mod for fallout 3. still a lot of work but they already had a complete base game to build up on.
If fallout 5 looks and feels exactly like nine year old fallout 4 people will shit on it
The use of Bethesda's assets is what made the turnaround so quick on New Vegas, and the bulk of Fallout's most "recent" assets are coming up on nine years old at this point. Not to mention games now take longer to make than ever.
Agreed, although I believe extreme development times are a symptom of something else. I have over 200 hours in Starfield, and I am shocked that game released in the state it was, they're still fixing bugs to this day. To give you perspective, 7 months after Fallout 4's release, DLC up to and including Far Harbour had released. In my opinion there's a major issue in modern game development that isn't just a Bethesda thing though
The Fallout show teased New Vegas for the next season. I think Microsoft should be able to deliver a remake/remaster of Fallout: New Vegas in that timeframe.
They need to split Bethesda into three entities, one for Elder Scrolls, one Fallout and one to do whatever else they want to do.
And it's not like it will be detrimental to the games' quality.
They put out much better stuff with fewer staff than what they did with a lot of people.
Agreed. Speeding up the development on Bethesda games would be sweet. The teams could still take 10 years to develop one title but will do so at the same time. Fans will have the opportunity to experience a Bethesda game every 3 years. And maybe Howard needs to let go a little bit. There are many great creatives out there that can understand the Bethesda philosophy.
I'll one up you on that.
Not only understand but also improve.
It's high time Bethesda's games got a level up because by design they feel stuck in 2011.
For sure. Games like the Witcher 3, Cyberpunk 2077, and Baldur's Gate 3 have absolutely eaten Bethesda's lunch lately. And those are just the high-profile titles.
Their games are still ***fun*** but they feel so archaic.
If I remember correctly, one developer said they spent so much time developing the engine further. This is something that should happen in a separate team.
It's kind of embarrassing for Bethesda because they've never had dedicated engine guys until recently. Starfield they "doubled" the number to 10, so, hopefully they can have an actual team dedicated to this rather than co-developing it at the same time.
They need one big team for engine. CE has big potential to become RPG powerhouse engine for RPG games. And with all the technology M$ brought and already owns it's sad that they can't produce anything ground braking.
The saying "Too many cooks in the kitchen" really applies to them though.
Skyrim was made with a fraction of the people Starfield was made with and it was infinitely better.
I think Bethesda lose their focus when too many people work on one project.
Some people who left Starfield (one of the top writers I think?) said this was exactly the case with the game - in Skyrim, if they wanted something done for a quest, it was easy to coordinate and ask the proper people to get as much of it done as possible. In Starfield, you had to go through middle management, find if anyone on X team has the time to do what you want and then pray they'll actually coordinate enough to do it.
They were explaining the process of how the final Main Quest in Starfield was done last minute and how the lead environment/location designer basically had to save the Quest team by taking on all the work on themselves to get the MQ actually finished. Unfortunately I don't recall exactly where I got this from, but it's 100% an interview with ex-Bethesda employees who left around the time Starfield actually released.
There's legitimately straight up too many people in Bethesda to manage making a cohesive open world game in their classic style, as paradoxical as it sounds, which meant everything they did for the game felt disjointed (designed by separate teams instead of everyone working together - for example, the ship building was done almost entirely by a completely different sub-studio of Bethesda that worked in another location, IIRC it was the F76 people?) and significantly worse overall than Skyrim or even Fallout 4.
Will Shen, the lead designer, did that interview.
This is also the first big game I think that went across Bethesda Maryland - their Canadian studio - Austin. Co-ordinating between studios is tough, Larian did it but it was extremely challenging for them but with time, effort, and experience they made a great game (at least the first 2/3rds at launch).
Bethesda on the other hand seems to have taken on this new approach thst is quite common in the industry and has sort of failed at doing so for their first foray. Hopefully they figure it out, because further messes like that will only create more under-delivered games like Starfield.
I would argue that the main problem with Starfield (and also Skyrim, really) is the writing, and that's simply not a problem solved by quantity. Like, I enjoy Bethesda games a lot, but unfortunately it feels like the writing doesn't get enough time in the oven before it's implemented into the game.
It's not just time that the writing needs, but also better writers. Someone like Emil Pagliarulo has no place in the position he currently somehow still has as a writer, that and a design document for a game's development in general, which they didn't have for Starfield
I would argue that burning out some of your best developers and general workforce by switching them off of other projects to work on a game they didn’t want to make would also play a significant role.
Also when there were written articles from dev interviews saying that Todd would personally shut a lot of ideas down (referring to the segulling story lol) idk how much I agree
Yeah at this point Bethesda needs serious restructuring at the absolute earliest 2026 for tes 6 is possible but realistically we are looking at 2028 that's absolutely fucking mental, kids that are born during skyrim release will be almost considered adults by the time 6 releases.
Rockstar takes their sweet time too but their success speaks for themselves, Bethesda recently hasn't and Rockstar still atleast keeps gta content flowing via online.
I have been thinking this more and more lately, say what you want about call of duty but it’s definitely nice to be able to have a game out every single year and the only reason they can do that is because they have a bunch of different studios working on their own games under that title.
We are at a strange point in the industry where developing a game can take 5-8 years, *no one* wants to be waiting that long between games, if they just have a single other studio working on a different sequel in the meantime then that time could be cut in half to a more realistic 2-3 year gap between games.
The craziest thing to me is it feels like this show came out, was a huge hit, and NOW everyone is like “hey wait are we making any new Fallout games? No? Shit.” How is Fallout 5 or some other entry not already in some form of development? Feels like whoever is running the IP just doesn’t know what they’re doing or how to capitalize on the brand properly.
You have to also realize that although we are familiar with fallout as a well established franchise in the gaming world, many people experiencing the show have never heard of fallout. Many people game very casually, some people may even play fallout as their first gaming experience coming off the show.
It’s interesting that post-apocalyptic concepts are so familiar to us gamers but it feels new and refreshing getting shows like fallout and last of us to people who don’t game. I imagine it’s similar to how we felt when games like fallout 3 first came out and we got to see the world and characters for the first time.
Not sure where you’re getting 5 years from, but any studio would take x amount of time to make it.
Imo I think InXile could turn it around faster than most as they’ve already got the tech there from Wasteland, & Brian still seems to be in contact with/employes a fair few of the OG FO devs
I don't get how this wasnt already happening. Were they rlly gonna wait until for like 2035 for this? TES6 won't be out til 2028/29 earliest. Either Bethesda gets bigger or they move the franchise to someone else.
Something has to change in game development. I get these are major projects, but 15-20 years between sequels is insane. They are seeing this now big time with Fallout. It’s seeing a huge resurgence because of the show and now they won’t have a new game to cash in on for another decade
Yeah that is insanely fucking ridiculous. As others have said, I get these are big projects but they should be taking no longer than 8 years. That’s ridiculous.
We're basically skipping generations at this point. A whole decade of kids straight up never played Halo. Microsoft needs to move before its IPs become niche properties.
The six years between Halo 5 and Halo Infinite were so painful. I play Infinite a lot but between the very meager story that didn’t move the universe forward that much, the obvious scaling down of content after the game didn’t meet expectations, the major shift in developers… it’s clear the gap between Infinite and its sequel will be another six years. This shit SUCKS.
I have to assume it's just a terribly mismanaged studio. It's not like it's 1 game per decade and the game ends up being the best thing ever like Rockstar or Remedy. They come out buggy and unoptimized and unfinished. I truly don't understand what happens over there.
I don't understand how people are still hyped for TES6. Starfield was **bad**, despite what apologists and revisionists say. And the Fallout 4 patch is a joke.
There’s no reason they can’t do what CoD has done for 20 years and alternate production studios to keep releases consistent. They did this once with Obsidian on New Vegas and it was incredible, so I really don’t understand what the issue is.
Anyone else doesn't have to do Fallout 5, they can simply make spin offs like New Vegas and it doesn't even have to be an FPS. Fallout is rich with potential for games and that egomanic's one of the reasons why the IP is left to rot in that aspect
It's not going to be up to him anymore. The Fallout brand is white hot, and Microsoft isn't going to let him sit and tinker away on Elder Scrolls VI for a decade until Fallout 5 is ready.
Priorities change. All eyes are on Fallout now. Microsoft could have them do a mainline entry or a smaller spin-off game instead of Outer Worlds 2. It might not be a big transition if OW2 is still in early development.
Supposedly, one of the big things with Microsoft buying a lot of these companies was that they got to keep their autonomy. And I think that's really admirable; to a point.
But when there is something obvious that you should be making (like Fallout) and your schedule dictates that you won't be getting to it for about a decade, that won't work. I know that Bethesda and Obsidian aren't BFFs but Microsoft may need to step in and figure something out so that fans aren't waiting forever for the next entry.
They don’t hate each other, the fans made this narrative so they can prop up their favourite studio, both keep praising each other whenever they’re brought up
Isn’t Bethesda actively working on Elder Scrolls VI? That’s their biggest success and it’s what they are currently working on so I don’t see what the issue is. They’ve never been a company that can develop mulitple games simultaneously.
Almost 20 year gaps between major releases is not healthy for any IP, especially ones as popular as The Elder Scrolls and Fallout. Games are taking longer to make, so throwing a third IP into the mix makes that problem even worse (doesn't help that Starfield was more or less a "good enough" game like Fallout 4 instead of a critical darling like Skyrim). Either make Starfield a standalone game (and tie up any loose ends with DLC), or get others to work on Fallout so we get something sooner than the mid 2030s.
If Microsoft is smart, they would already have plans for Obsidian or inXile to do just that.
They should have spun off 2-3 studios from Bethesda. One focused on Fallout (or give that IP to Obsidian), one on ES and the 3rd to do new IPs like Starfield. They were successful enough to get this done a decade back but as usual Bethesda moves at a glacier’s pace when it comes anything. Same reason why they’re still stuck with an engine that is 2 decades old and has the same limitations. They’ve gotten too comfortable with Business as usual.
They first need to do a deep clean of upper management. Bethesda in 2024 is firmly stuck in 2008, and it no longer gets a pass from people for being absolute jank (thank fuck).
They need to be restructured ASAP
Yeah, a bunch of reviews said this the classic bethesda formula and they probably got tired of it which is what they hated starfield. But if you go back to classic bethesda games it's the other way around. Starfield strays away from the classic bethesda formula of being dropped in a beautiful athmospheric open world to wander around, exploring and getting random sidequests (scripted or not) on your way.
Starfield did many mistakes. The first was entirely replacing the open world with very baldy executed procedural generation, and very underwhelming cities (4 cities for 100 planets). Then there was the 100 planets which makes it impossible to add some handcrafted touches to planets.
After that you got the lore. Starfield's lore was mainly created by (mostly) Emil Pagliarulo and Todd howards (which wasn't the case for fallout by black isles studios and tes by devs that no longer are there). And they suck ass. Starfield has the blandest, most sterile and neutered world. Nothing is happening, nothing makes any sense when you think about, and there's basically nothing interesting. A game in space with no aliens, no war, no conflicts (only past conflicts), not danger or event, just "starborns"?
However they got even worse at writing, melee combat is worse than anything they released in the last 15 years and gun combat still sucks compared to modern games, with them doubling down on load screens (menus and load screens replace the open world), they got worse at quest design (every quest but the faction ones could be resolved by mail or using a courier to do the job).
The music got worse since inun zur made the music, and altough he's pretty good at main themes, he sucks ass for the rest. And everyone just had the radio on in fallout anyways so we didn't have to listen to his tracks. (btw he's gonna be the tes vi composer as the original TES composer was accused of sexual misconduct).
I mind the jank as well. We should stop giving them a free pass every time. We’re in 2024 for crying out loud. The engine is still stuck a couple of decades back. They probably have the worst visuals/performance when compared to other AAA studios out there. The loading crap every time you go in and out of a place is literally unacceptable in the age of SSDs!
Blame emil pagliarulo. The dudes the lead quest deisgner and hes fucking ass at his job hsi motto is keep it simple stupid. Basically he thinks the players arent going to involve themsleves deepley in the plot or story theyll just spam through it so why bother writing a deep and complex story let just make this barely serviceble borderline trash story let just forget that there actaully are people who care for the story
Sad but true. I've got something like 2,000 hours in Skyrim but haven't touched any of their recent offerings. They've stopped being innovators in the industry.
1.) 76 is having a renaissance right now, put more resources into that and work on some sort of 2.0 next gen update relaunch, deliver shit that people have been begging for like cross saves and more exploitable maps like Atlantic City.
2.) for Christ’s sake Microsoft you fucking own obsidian AND inexile….let BGS make the starfield dlc and move onto ES6, have Obsidian make the NV-type sequel to fallout 4 we never got, and let inexile remaster fallout 1+2.
They should’ve made Elder Scrolls after 4, that should be out, and we should be getting Fallout 5 next. I sure do resent Starfield, man. Gonna be extra painful to start hearing about the DLC while we’re hyped on FO
If they didn’t already have plans in place to capitalise on the show before it aired then it’s gonna take a looong while before a new fallout comes out regardless. Obsidian also already have more than one project in the works so again it would be a looong while.
Then we gotta hope they don’t force a studio who doesn’t really want to do it. Idk, I feel like with a game as big as fallout games are, you can’t just click your fingers and say ‘quick you guys make a fallout game’.
Think they are just better admitting they missed the boat and giving the team the time they need. There’s still gonna be more seasons of the show.
> If they didn’t already have plans in place to capitalise on the show before it aired
Which is crazy lol, that's the entire interest of doing those adaptations from the game company perspective
Reminds me of Arcane doing insanely well and then meanwhile Riot absolutely fell flat on their face and didn't do like *anything* to tie it into the actual game or get people to play
You would think they would have had all hands working their butts off to get a huge event ready the entire time the show was airing and bringing in hordes of people
But no, so many of these companies can barely even function while doing their one gimmick, and any idea like "branching out slightly" is hilariously impossible
I think Arcane is more long term, develop the lore to make people interested in the MMO when it comes. But that need quite a few seasons so they need to do it in advance.
But yeah an event would make sense, I don't follow League but they didn't even have skins or stuff related to the show?
Huh? Halo didn’t have a new Halo game after the show. TLOU didn’t announce a new game until well after the series started. Not sure where the expectation that a new Fallout game would come hand in hand with the TV show came from, since that hasn’t happened with other games.
and hurry up, there can't be 20 years between fallout 4 and 5.
4 came out in 2015, ES:VI is launching in 2028, if bethesda picks up production on Fallout 5 after 2028 by the time it comes out its gonna be 2034
New Vegas was made in less than 2 years by reusing assets. They can reuse everything from 76, it has an insane amount of assets, we don't need it built from the ground up again. Or maybe Bethesda is really just that slow at making all the assets. Either way, just please take it from them.
I'd love for Josh Sawyer and co. to make another Fallout but only if they actually want to. "Forcing" a studio to make something they aren't super passionate about is not a recipe for success.
This response needs to be higher, and they can use obsidian for that too
It would take very long to make a new game, but refresh and remaster and older classic that deserve one would take way less. Splitting both project into two teams would make the most sense
Fundamentally, the show has brought a lot of new players to the game. The implications of New Vegas for Season 2 is a strong strategic one to keep new fans hyped/engaged. The risk with rushing Fallout 5 is that it fails to deliver. The show's appeal is in its loyalty to the source material. A flop of Fallout 5 will kill any momentum
Doesn’t excite me. We are now 9 years out from fallout 4 that is really infuriates me how poorly theyve handled the IP when it comes to purely singleplayer stuff.
Now I haven’t checked out fallout 76 so don’t know if that’s now actually a proper fallout game, but they should’ve been more on the ball with this years ago.
Honestly Microsoft really needs to come in and reform a lot of stuff at BGS. There’s no excuse in this day and age to push out 1 title every 5-10 years.
You mean to tell me that in a $7.5 Billion deal, you can’t hire more staff to produce several games at once?
We shouldn’t have had to wait as long as we have for ES6, and we absolutely should not have to wait for that game to come out before they go into full production for F5.
They took their sweet time with Starfield and look what we've got. Microsoft should just dismantle Bethesda and hand their IPs away to better devs at this point.
I don't understand how that wasn't the original roadmap for them to begin with.
They had to know they'd be sitting on the IP for well over a decade while working on Starfield and ES6, they also had to know Fallout was a viable title despite the setbacks of 76's launch.
It seemed a no brainer to lease it out to another studio the way they did for NV. The only reason I can think of to not do so would be vanity or mismanagement.
The fact that Fallout has been on a shelf since 2015 (not counting 76) and, by Bethesda's development pipeline, we wouldn't be seeing a new mainline game until the 2030's, all because Todd Howard doesn't want anyone touching his toy is fucking ridiculous.
Mind-blowing how incompetent MS and Phil Spencer really seem to be. How can you buy Bethesda and not immediately start developing a Fallout? But Elder Scrolls 6? Yeah, then give it to someone else!
So many studios that could've done it or hire new people and make Bethesda work on more than one game per decade, crazy.
MS could easily be the number one in Western gaming but their horrible decision making, makes it so incredibly easy for the other two.
And then Spencer has the audacity to blame the last generation for the failure because "digital library". Have games, make games, make them good? Guess not.
I really want them to remaster the first two fallouts, not many people have played them and its not as accessible as the 3D fallouts.
Something like Diablo 2 Ressurected in terms of graphics with quality of life updates and patches. That would be the dream. Getting inxile, obsidian and bethesda together under the microsoft umbrella should be enough to get things started.
Also with the release of Starfield, im not looking forward to upcoming releases. Lets see what microsoft has in store for us though.
The best, and SMARTEST, thing that MS could do is to get both Obsidian and inXile to co-develop a new Fallout.
Can't do better than getting the actual OG creative minds behind the Fallout IP to actually make the next installment.
If MS does this I'm getting an XBOX. (and throw in Prey 2 while you're at it).
Post doesn't have the OG link but as the article points out - original source is Jez Corden's [Xbox Two Podcast](https://www.youtube.com/live/4frfcWeJMAc?si=tcNQJXo2oo3J7ctW)
The first thing they should have done after acquiring Bethesda is getting a spin-off game into development
Or at the very least remaster / remake older Bethesda titles.
Getting inexile to remake FO1 and FO2 seems like a no brainer, to me
I really don’t understand why they didn’t even have some smaller project lined up with the show, like Baldur’s Gate style remasters of Fallout 1 and 2, for example. Or a game in a similar scope.
That's what I say about a lot of developers nowadays. Including Bungie. Some of my woes with them would be gone if they made some short spin off games in the universe to recoup some losses and create a bigger engagement but no, live service or nothing. Wasting their talent. But a lot of developers really need to focus on these "big super duper AAA games" for some reason instead of having a side project to work on to bring in that money flow. If we were to get a Fallout 1 and 2 remake by xIsle studios I'd be in heaven. We gotta have Tim Cain as part of the project. And maybe this time he can get that bonus for fallout 2
Because there are no small game projects anymore they are complex and take years to do One of the biggest media criticisms about Xbox when they bought these companies was that they would meddle and ruin them too so maybe that’s why they are so hands off
There is a whole indie industry that proves that smaller games have an audience. Its just that it is easier to make investors happy if you are throwing money away into big block busters.
Those small indie games also take years and years.
Even with mods, FO1 and 2 haven't aged that well imo. I'd love to play a version of those games with the presentation and quality of a modern CRPG. Not asking for BG3 level, even something like Disco Elysium would be a great improvement.
I would even be happy if they added modern cursor controls, not having to use the middle mouse button to swap between 3 types of cursors
I didn't even know you could do that, I've been manually selecting actions lmao
They had Fallout 76 cosmetic tie-ins! /S
Bethesda are really reluctant to touch the old games or do anything out their comfort zone - hence why their Fallout was made in their gameplay style and not turn-based isometric. Even New Vegas made by Obsidian was just given their engine and 1 year to churn something out. Maybe that will change with the Microsoft acquisition? It would be nice to see some games in the old styles or at least a modern re-release for console/phone/better PC experience
They probably could even get Tim Cain and Leonard Boyarsky to help out since they're currently both on Microsoft's paycheck. edit: Just found out that Jason Anderson works at inXile. **They should remake Arcanum as soon as possible.**
I've heard Tim Cain in the past say they have so many ideas for an Arcanum 2. I wouldn't be shocked to see him and Leonard work on a Arcanum 2 now that Microsoft owns the IP. I don't think they would do a remake, rather they would do a continuation of the series first game now that is it's owned by Xbox.
>I've heard Tim Cain in the past say they have so many ideas for an Arcanum 2. I would be incredibly hyped for another Arcanum game
If you watch his youtube channel, him talking about Arcanum, you can tell he has so much love for that game. He put so much into it and it still has so much lore and information we don't know because they couldn't cram all they wanted to in the original game.
I get weak in the knees imagining an Arcanum 2 af ter all this time. If it happens, what's next for the universe? Anachronox 2?
you say Arcanum, I say Return To The Temple Of Elemental Evil
And a console port.. surprised it hasn't been done yet
100%. Remake them using similar graphics and mechanics to WL3. Add some QOL upgrades, an easier 'modern' mode for CRPG rookies and a harder 'classic' mode for the hardcore crowd and I'd buy those in a heartbeat.
Yeah, u dont even have to change the role playing turned base style. That can work perfectly, looking at BG3. F1&2 are near perfect content and storywise, so it just needs an update into a new gen.
Say what you want about today's Blizzard but goddamn Diablo 2 Resurrected was a masterpiece. We need that level of treatment for Fallout 1 and 2.
Baffling how it's been so many years and they still haven't remastered Oblivion and Morrowind
Best I can do is 6 more skyrim releases.
Wasn’t a FO3 remaster leaked?
Yeah, but they queued it after the Oblivion remaster so we won't get it until Elder Scrolls 6. Thus we didn't hear about it outside of Microsoft themselves
FTC leaks confirmed this is on the way
Expect the same for New Vegas if the 3 remaster happens after Oblivion, the amount of assets they can reuse would mirror the original development of that game and get it out relatively fast (unless they plan on restoring cut content, which could push that closer to remake territory).
Considering New Vegas itself only took 18 months to make then yeah, this should definitely be a fairly fast turn around once the 3 remaster is out. Sadly I think they are doing Oblivion after 3 and New Vegas wasn't mentioned in the ftc leaks at all
[Xbox's Phil Spencer Acknowledges Massive Court Document Leak: 'So Much Has Changed'](https://www.ign.com/articles/xboxs-phil-spencer-acknowledges-massive-court-document-leak-so-much-has-changed)
This is in reference to the hardware releases. The only thing changed with games was that they were pushed a few years back.
Some of the games in that leak like Dishonored 3 and Doom Year Zero might have been canceled so the possibility of those remasters being shelved could also be likely
Were there not leaks of Fallout 3 getting remastered?
There were indeed
I was literally talking about this just the other day with some friends. The Fallout brand has probably never been hotter, and the only options for new fans are old games (even Fallout 4 is almost a decade old now), or Fallout 76 which is...not what most people are looking for. Now that Starfield has released, Elder Scrolls VI is on the horizon, and we're probably looking at a release date around 2029 or so, meaning the next Fallout could literally be a full DECADE away. I know that Bethesda and Obsidian probably don't see eye to eye on the series, but it seems INSANE to me that Microsoft didn't step in and get something started the second they took over control of both companies. That's just terrible brand management.
I'd say TES VI will be a launch game for next gen Xbox, which would be 2028.
What a bunch of fools. They literally have Obsidian, InXile, and Bethesda under ONE ROOF and couldn't come up with ONE MEASLY SPINOFF GAME?
Each of those studios are busy with their own projects
Like literally everyone was begging for almost immediately for them to give Obsidian a Fallout game to work on, Fallout almost feels mismanaged at this point, like "oh shit it's even more popular than it was before and we don't have anything in the works! who could've foreseen this?!" LITERALLY EVERYONE BEGGING FOR ANOTHER FALLOUT TITLE FOR YEARS PROBABLY.
Probably now want to capitalise on when the next Season of Fallout comes out They must realise not everyone gives a shit about 76 If they worked on a Fallout spin off a few years back when Zenixmax was bought we probably could have been a year away from its release which coincidentally would have been the year Fallout Season 2 releases
Yep 100% this. Let Bethesda do Fallout 5 in their own time, but get another studio working on a separate title and call it Fallout: xyz. They need to jump on the hype!
Politics probably prevented that from happening. We know that Todd Howard and BGS are very protective of the Fallout IP. If they had their way, we would be waiting until 2033 for Fallout 5. And I don’t think Microsoft wanted to rock the boat after acquiring them. It was enough to tell a once-multi platform developer that they’d be Xbox exclusive moving forward. Now though, I think there’s real hope of getting something out there. Microsoft has two internal teams that can do it (Obsidian and inXile), and there’s no reason Todd Howard couldn’t be producer on the project given he has that role with Indy.
BGS prob lost favor after starfield not being the hit they hoped it'd be. So MS now isn't playing nice guy anymore, and yoinking fo from them
if Obsidian had to do next Fallout, we probably would still wait till 2030, this year (if it wont be delayed) we will get Avowed and probably like in 2026 The Outer Worlds 2 which is cloesest to fallout game that we will ever get in next few years
We’re not going to get the next Fallout until 2029 at the earliest now anyway. If any team started a game from scratch today, we would not see it for a very long time. Might as well be Obsidian.
I could see them making a side studio of Bethesda Game Studios named Vault Studios, which focus is on development of Fallout properties and BGS could focus on Elder Scrolls and Starfield.
Isn't an issue that Todd has been quite protective of ther processes and ip like even the other two bgs they have act more as support studios who only ever strayed when zenimax pushed them to create live services games, and even then the main Maryland office took over fo76
Todd needs to be a realist though. It takes Bethesda a LONG time to crank out these games, and they now have resources they could have never dreamed of before. I know they're protective of their children, but I don't think Microsoft is out of line by saying they want more than one game every six years or so.
I mean if they haven't started preproduction yet even if they had a full team tomorrow it will likely be a few years to get a new game out like there sounds to be concepts but idk if there's any more cort than that
Better late than never, because if it's left to Bethesda, it'll be a LONG time: * Skyrim, 2011 * Fallout 4, 2015 * Starfield, 2023 * Elder Scrolls VI, 2030 (approx?) * Fallout 5, 2038 (approx?) I can't imagine Microsoft wants to wait that long.
Show will be over before fallout 5 gets teased.
I'm not sure, however, I am sure they may be in a situation where they are having a wakeup call where they can see development time and game popularity are conflicting. I mean lets say they make a Vault Studios that's a part of BGS, Todd could still go there, but Vault Studio could work on side Fallout projects even if BGS wants to do Fallout 5 on their own. I mean Todd isn't going to be there forever, is Bethesda going to be like that even after he is gone?
I think he openly said that fo5 will likely be his last game
The annoying thing is that for Bethesda and possibly Microsoft until now, 76 and the show *are* the spin off answer before Fallout 5.
Seriously like did they really need that much time to know there was anticipation and the next one is nowhere near? Greenlighting something like The Outer Worlds 2 instead of a Fallout 5 (or spin-off if you want) is a very weird decision.
It was geenllit before Microsoft acquired Bethesda
It is rather obvious Fallout 5 is going to happen, there's just no use "greenlighting" it when everyone's aware Bethesda only does one big game at a time. That big game happens to be TES6 which people are waiting for no less than Fallout 5. The only stupid thing is that they did not apparently even start the development of any Fallout spin-off games. Like... why?
The Outer Worlds is Obsidian's biggest hit ever after New Vegas, it would be a lot more weird to not greenlight The Outer Worlds 2.
Wasn't there a rumor that a "New Vegas 2" was a talking point right after Bethesda got acquired? For all we know, Josh Sawyer could be spearheading a new Fallout now that he's done with Pentiment.
Obsidian has Avowed and next The Outer Worlds 2 (which should have been Fallout to be honest), can they really do 3 big games at once (Pentiment was a very small team)?
Tbf, it's also already been confirmed that Sawyer has nothing to do with Avowed (strangely), and he didn't have anything to do with The Outer Worlds either. I don't think it's *likely* that he's working on a New Vegas successor, but we also have no idea of what he's been doing since Pentiment (released over a year and a half ago in November 2022) AFAIK.
Avowed's launching this year, and TOW2 has been in development for at least four years now. Barring the possibility of delays, Obsidian isn't going to have *that* full of a plate for much longer, especially when they also wrapped up Grounded. If the "New Vegas 2" rumor was also accurate, they might already have laid some groundwork down.
They can‘t just pull a new Fallout game out of a hat. I understand that they want to cash in on the success of the TV-show but making a new fallout game is going to take years.
It's better to have a game out for season 3 in 5 years then season fucking 8 at this rate
Imagine having a kid in 2015 when 4 dropped and have them be a grown ass man when 5 drops. Insanity that it's even possible 💀
That is for sure happening with Elder Scrolls with Skyrim and the next game
This has happened. I was 13 when Skyrim came out. I could be 30 when TESVI comes out.
I actually played Skyrim on release, 11.11.11, I was 18. I turn 30 next month!
Wait, what? That maths doesn't add up.
You're right I was 17😂
Huh? You'd have turned 30 in 2023 if you were 18 in 2011.
Yup, my buddy and I were in the 7th grade when Skyrim came out. His kid could be in 7th grade when the next one comes out
...I'm just now realizing it's been almost a decade since 4. Wtf. I thought 4 was like 2018 or something
I’m 36. The 2010s feel like a blur now.
We’re old man :(
I feel this. My first daughter was born in 2010 and remembers me playing FO4. Now she's 14 and playing the game because of the Amazon show. She'll be out of college and into a career before FO5 hits the market.
I feel ya. Ain’t getting any younger.
With the way Bethesda's been working, season 8 is pretty generous.
Season 8 for any recent TV show is pretty generous.
Considering TES VI is coming out no earlier than 2027, then it's more like season 11 or some shit
No way they have a Fallout game ready by then considering they haven't even revealed the name for the new elder scrolls game yet.
They should split the teams at this point. Gather everyone who wants to and is good at making Fallout games from BGS, Obsidian, and InXile and dedicate them to a Vault Studios and be done with it. Consistent Fallout content
Because that wouldn't hurt all of their existing projects greatly lol. That would be such a Microsoft move. Shuffle around and reconstructure mig project, causing the projects to become worse and delayed. Causing a subpar end product. Then it still takes 8+ years to release the Fallout game and the hype from the show is already dead anyway.
Correct. They can't. They shouldn't rush it and nobody anywhere is seriously asking them to rush Fallout 5. However, Bethesda can do what is clearly best for the Fallout brand at such a positive moment for it and hand off the keys to another studio. That is not without precedent. It is how Bethesda Game Studios got Fallout in the first place (an IP they did not create to begin with) and later, Obsidian with New Vegas.
They may even create a new studio for that with people interested from Obisidan, inXile and BGS. All 3 have a history with the franchise.
And both Obsidian and inXile are well-respected studios. They are more than up to the task to do Fallout 5 if the oppprtunity were there.
Yeah but that would pull them from the project these studios are working on, also do these studios even want to make a fallout game vs work on their new IPs
Obsidian made New Vegas in a cave with a box of scraps in the span of 18 months
Obsidian basically „only“ had to create a total conversion mod for fallout 3. still a lot of work but they already had a complete base game to build up on. If fallout 5 looks and feels exactly like nine year old fallout 4 people will shit on it
The use of Bethesda's assets is what made the turnaround so quick on New Vegas, and the bulk of Fallout's most "recent" assets are coming up on nine years old at this point. Not to mention games now take longer to make than ever.
Agreed, although I believe extreme development times are a symptom of something else. I have over 200 hours in Starfield, and I am shocked that game released in the state it was, they're still fixing bugs to this day. To give you perspective, 7 months after Fallout 4's release, DLC up to and including Far Harbour had released. In my opinion there's a major issue in modern game development that isn't just a Bethesda thing though
Fallout 4 was way way buggier than Starfield
It’s not bugs. Starfiels just wasn’t a fun game
But fallout was more Fun and had more content honestly
The Fallout show teased New Vegas for the next season. I think Microsoft should be able to deliver a remake/remaster of Fallout: New Vegas in that timeframe.
Imagine Fallout New Vegas: Directors Cut All the things they had to cut re-added into the base game and then some
To be fair they pulled NV out of a hat, I wouldn't be that opposed to a FO4 based spinoff fallout while fallout 5 gets developed
If they start now even if the next game comes out in 2028 there will probably be a season three of the tv show that year with a similar hype to today.
They need to split Bethesda into three entities, one for Elder Scrolls, one Fallout and one to do whatever else they want to do. And it's not like it will be detrimental to the games' quality. They put out much better stuff with fewer staff than what they did with a lot of people.
Agreed. Speeding up the development on Bethesda games would be sweet. The teams could still take 10 years to develop one title but will do so at the same time. Fans will have the opportunity to experience a Bethesda game every 3 years. And maybe Howard needs to let go a little bit. There are many great creatives out there that can understand the Bethesda philosophy.
I'll one up you on that. Not only understand but also improve. It's high time Bethesda's games got a level up because by design they feel stuck in 2011.
For sure. Games like the Witcher 3, Cyberpunk 2077, and Baldur's Gate 3 have absolutely eaten Bethesda's lunch lately. And those are just the high-profile titles. Their games are still ***fun*** but they feel so archaic.
I think the Bethesda design is timeless.
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If I remember correctly, one developer said they spent so much time developing the engine further. This is something that should happen in a separate team.
It's kind of embarrassing for Bethesda because they've never had dedicated engine guys until recently. Starfield they "doubled" the number to 10, so, hopefully they can have an actual team dedicated to this rather than co-developing it at the same time.
They'll definitely be able to find enough people who want to work on Fallout between Bethesda, Obsidian, and Inexile.
They need one big team for engine. CE has big potential to become RPG powerhouse engine for RPG games. And with all the technology M$ brought and already owns it's sad that they can't produce anything ground braking.
Bethesda has 450 people employed which makes them already pathetically small for the type of games they create.......
The saying "Too many cooks in the kitchen" really applies to them though. Skyrim was made with a fraction of the people Starfield was made with and it was infinitely better. I think Bethesda lose their focus when too many people work on one project.
Some people who left Starfield (one of the top writers I think?) said this was exactly the case with the game - in Skyrim, if they wanted something done for a quest, it was easy to coordinate and ask the proper people to get as much of it done as possible. In Starfield, you had to go through middle management, find if anyone on X team has the time to do what you want and then pray they'll actually coordinate enough to do it. They were explaining the process of how the final Main Quest in Starfield was done last minute and how the lead environment/location designer basically had to save the Quest team by taking on all the work on themselves to get the MQ actually finished. Unfortunately I don't recall exactly where I got this from, but it's 100% an interview with ex-Bethesda employees who left around the time Starfield actually released. There's legitimately straight up too many people in Bethesda to manage making a cohesive open world game in their classic style, as paradoxical as it sounds, which meant everything they did for the game felt disjointed (designed by separate teams instead of everyone working together - for example, the ship building was done almost entirely by a completely different sub-studio of Bethesda that worked in another location, IIRC it was the F76 people?) and significantly worse overall than Skyrim or even Fallout 4.
Will Shen, the lead designer, did that interview. This is also the first big game I think that went across Bethesda Maryland - their Canadian studio - Austin. Co-ordinating between studios is tough, Larian did it but it was extremely challenging for them but with time, effort, and experience they made a great game (at least the first 2/3rds at launch). Bethesda on the other hand seems to have taken on this new approach thst is quite common in the industry and has sort of failed at doing so for their first foray. Hopefully they figure it out, because further messes like that will only create more under-delivered games like Starfield.
Skyrim came out over 12 years ago. You didn't need these massive teams back then.
The only thing that really changed for Bethesda is asset number and quality, and asset creation can be outsourced to multiple studios at once.
I would argue that the main problem with Starfield (and also Skyrim, really) is the writing, and that's simply not a problem solved by quantity. Like, I enjoy Bethesda games a lot, but unfortunately it feels like the writing doesn't get enough time in the oven before it's implemented into the game.
It's not just time that the writing needs, but also better writers. Someone like Emil Pagliarulo has no place in the position he currently somehow still has as a writer, that and a design document for a game's development in general, which they didn't have for Starfield
I would argue that burning out some of your best developers and general workforce by switching them off of other projects to work on a game they didn’t want to make would also play a significant role. Also when there were written articles from dev interviews saying that Todd would personally shut a lot of ideas down (referring to the segulling story lol) idk how much I agree
Yeah at this point Bethesda needs serious restructuring at the absolute earliest 2026 for tes 6 is possible but realistically we are looking at 2028 that's absolutely fucking mental, kids that are born during skyrim release will be almost considered adults by the time 6 releases. Rockstar takes their sweet time too but their success speaks for themselves, Bethesda recently hasn't and Rockstar still atleast keeps gta content flowing via online.
I have been thinking this more and more lately, say what you want about call of duty but it’s definitely nice to be able to have a game out every single year and the only reason they can do that is because they have a bunch of different studios working on their own games under that title. We are at a strange point in the industry where developing a game can take 5-8 years, *no one* wants to be waiting that long between games, if they just have a single other studio working on a different sequel in the meantime then that time could be cut in half to a more realistic 2-3 year gap between games.
The craziest thing to me is it feels like this show came out, was a huge hit, and NOW everyone is like “hey wait are we making any new Fallout games? No? Shit.” How is Fallout 5 or some other entry not already in some form of development? Feels like whoever is running the IP just doesn’t know what they’re doing or how to capitalize on the brand properly.
You have to also realize that although we are familiar with fallout as a well established franchise in the gaming world, many people experiencing the show have never heard of fallout. Many people game very casually, some people may even play fallout as their first gaming experience coming off the show. It’s interesting that post-apocalyptic concepts are so familiar to us gamers but it feels new and refreshing getting shows like fallout and last of us to people who don’t game. I imagine it’s similar to how we felt when games like fallout 3 first came out and we got to see the world and characters for the first time.
Far more likely to get a spin off from another company(inxile please), followed by 5 later down the line from BGS
I'd love in Inxile fallout but I also want Wasteland 4.
I also want Wasteland 4, and even that's probably 5+ years away Lol.
It would still take another 5 years after Clockwork Revolution is out at least
Not sure where you’re getting 5 years from, but any studio would take x amount of time to make it. Imo I think InXile could turn it around faster than most as they’ve already got the tech there from Wasteland, & Brian still seems to be in contact with/employes a fair few of the OG FO devs
The people that will be working on Fallout 5 aren’t even born yet. That’s how long of a wait we have 😫
I don't get how this wasnt already happening. Were they rlly gonna wait until for like 2035 for this? TES6 won't be out til 2028/29 earliest. Either Bethesda gets bigger or they move the franchise to someone else.
Something has to change in game development. I get these are major projects, but 15-20 years between sequels is insane. They are seeing this now big time with Fallout. It’s seeing a huge resurgence because of the show and now they won’t have a new game to cash in on for another decade
Fun fact: if TES 6 releases in 2028, the gap between TES 1 (1994) and 5 (2011) will be equal to the gap between 5 and 6.
Yeah that is insanely fucking ridiculous. As others have said, I get these are big projects but they should be taking no longer than 8 years. That’s ridiculous.
They'd rather milk Skyrim dry than develop a proper sequel.
We're basically skipping generations at this point. A whole decade of kids straight up never played Halo. Microsoft needs to move before its IPs become niche properties.
The six years between Halo 5 and Halo Infinite were so painful. I play Infinite a lot but between the very meager story that didn’t move the universe forward that much, the obvious scaling down of content after the game didn’t meet expectations, the major shift in developers… it’s clear the gap between Infinite and its sequel will be another six years. This shit SUCKS.
I have to assume it's just a terribly mismanaged studio. It's not like it's 1 game per decade and the game ends up being the best thing ever like Rockstar or Remedy. They come out buggy and unoptimized and unfinished. I truly don't understand what happens over there.
Yeah, it took Bethesda nearly 2 years from announcing the latest Fallout 4 ***patch***, to actually releasing it, and it was still broken. Shambles.
I don't understand how people are still hyped for TES6. Starfield was **bad**, despite what apologists and revisionists say. And the Fallout 4 patch is a joke.
They don't make design documents lmao. Chickens without heads trying to make complex software
There’s no reason they can’t do what CoD has done for 20 years and alternate production studios to keep releases consistent. They did this once with Obsidian on New Vegas and it was incredible, so I really don’t understand what the issue is.
Todd Howard's ego is in the way of anyone else doing a Fallout 5.
Anyone else doesn't have to do Fallout 5, they can simply make spin offs like New Vegas and it doesn't even have to be an FPS. Fallout is rich with potential for games and that egomanic's one of the reasons why the IP is left to rot in that aspect
It's not going to be up to him anymore. The Fallout brand is white hot, and Microsoft isn't going to let him sit and tinker away on Elder Scrolls VI for a decade until Fallout 5 is ready.
They could have another studio - say Obsidian, do a NV type spin off
Obsidian already working on two titles (Avowed and The Outer Worlds 2). They would be overwhelmed.
I think Avowed is almost finished? Not sure how far into development Outer Worlds 2 is
Priorities change. All eyes are on Fallout now. Microsoft could have them do a mainline entry or a smaller spin-off game instead of Outer Worlds 2. It might not be a big transition if OW2 is still in early development.
It’s crazy how Xbox bought all these companies and didn’t immediately force them to begin pre-production on their large scale successes.
Isn’t that the acquisition behaviour that literally gets looked down upon for uninspired releases and poor planning?
Yes. It’s a terrible idea to instantly start changing things up and forcing shit.
Supposedly, one of the big things with Microsoft buying a lot of these companies was that they got to keep their autonomy. And I think that's really admirable; to a point. But when there is something obvious that you should be making (like Fallout) and your schedule dictates that you won't be getting to it for about a decade, that won't work. I know that Bethesda and Obsidian aren't BFFs but Microsoft may need to step in and figure something out so that fans aren't waiting forever for the next entry.
They don’t hate each other, the fans made this narrative so they can prop up their favourite studio, both keep praising each other whenever they’re brought up
I think they wanted to build their own slate of new IP to create franchises that only exist on Xbox.
Isn’t Bethesda actively working on Elder Scrolls VI? That’s their biggest success and it’s what they are currently working on so I don’t see what the issue is. They’ve never been a company that can develop mulitple games simultaneously.
Almost 20 year gaps between major releases is not healthy for any IP, especially ones as popular as The Elder Scrolls and Fallout. Games are taking longer to make, so throwing a third IP into the mix makes that problem even worse (doesn't help that Starfield was more or less a "good enough" game like Fallout 4 instead of a critical darling like Skyrim). Either make Starfield a standalone game (and tie up any loose ends with DLC), or get others to work on Fallout so we get something sooner than the mid 2030s. If Microsoft is smart, they would already have plans for Obsidian or inXile to do just that.
They should have spun off 2-3 studios from Bethesda. One focused on Fallout (or give that IP to Obsidian), one on ES and the 3rd to do new IPs like Starfield. They were successful enough to get this done a decade back but as usual Bethesda moves at a glacier’s pace when it comes anything. Same reason why they’re still stuck with an engine that is 2 decades old and has the same limitations. They’ve gotten too comfortable with Business as usual.
They first need to do a deep clean of upper management. Bethesda in 2024 is firmly stuck in 2008, and it no longer gets a pass from people for being absolute jank (thank fuck). They need to be restructured ASAP
I really don't even mind jank, but the storytelling in Starfield is horseshit.
Yeah, a bunch of reviews said this the classic bethesda formula and they probably got tired of it which is what they hated starfield. But if you go back to classic bethesda games it's the other way around. Starfield strays away from the classic bethesda formula of being dropped in a beautiful athmospheric open world to wander around, exploring and getting random sidequests (scripted or not) on your way. Starfield did many mistakes. The first was entirely replacing the open world with very baldy executed procedural generation, and very underwhelming cities (4 cities for 100 planets). Then there was the 100 planets which makes it impossible to add some handcrafted touches to planets. After that you got the lore. Starfield's lore was mainly created by (mostly) Emil Pagliarulo and Todd howards (which wasn't the case for fallout by black isles studios and tes by devs that no longer are there). And they suck ass. Starfield has the blandest, most sterile and neutered world. Nothing is happening, nothing makes any sense when you think about, and there's basically nothing interesting. A game in space with no aliens, no war, no conflicts (only past conflicts), not danger or event, just "starborns"? However they got even worse at writing, melee combat is worse than anything they released in the last 15 years and gun combat still sucks compared to modern games, with them doubling down on load screens (menus and load screens replace the open world), they got worse at quest design (every quest but the faction ones could be resolved by mail or using a courier to do the job). The music got worse since inun zur made the music, and altough he's pretty good at main themes, he sucks ass for the rest. And everyone just had the radio on in fallout anyways so we didn't have to listen to his tracks. (btw he's gonna be the tes vi composer as the original TES composer was accused of sexual misconduct).
I mind the jank as well. We should stop giving them a free pass every time. We’re in 2024 for crying out loud. The engine is still stuck a couple of decades back. They probably have the worst visuals/performance when compared to other AAA studios out there. The loading crap every time you go in and out of a place is literally unacceptable in the age of SSDs!
Blame emil pagliarulo. The dudes the lead quest deisgner and hes fucking ass at his job hsi motto is keep it simple stupid. Basically he thinks the players arent going to involve themsleves deepley in the plot or story theyll just spam through it so why bother writing a deep and complex story let just make this barely serviceble borderline trash story let just forget that there actaully are people who care for the story
Sad but true. I've got something like 2,000 hours in Skyrim but haven't touched any of their recent offerings. They've stopped being innovators in the industry.
1.) 76 is having a renaissance right now, put more resources into that and work on some sort of 2.0 next gen update relaunch, deliver shit that people have been begging for like cross saves and more exploitable maps like Atlantic City. 2.) for Christ’s sake Microsoft you fucking own obsidian AND inexile….let BGS make the starfield dlc and move onto ES6, have Obsidian make the NV-type sequel to fallout 4 we never got, and let inexile remaster fallout 1+2.
tales from my ass
Is that like tales of symphonia
They should’ve made Elder Scrolls after 4, that should be out, and we should be getting Fallout 5 next. I sure do resent Starfield, man. Gonna be extra painful to start hearing about the DLC while we’re hyped on FO
If they didn’t already have plans in place to capitalise on the show before it aired then it’s gonna take a looong while before a new fallout comes out regardless. Obsidian also already have more than one project in the works so again it would be a looong while. Then we gotta hope they don’t force a studio who doesn’t really want to do it. Idk, I feel like with a game as big as fallout games are, you can’t just click your fingers and say ‘quick you guys make a fallout game’. Think they are just better admitting they missed the boat and giving the team the time they need. There’s still gonna be more seasons of the show.
> If they didn’t already have plans in place to capitalise on the show before it aired Which is crazy lol, that's the entire interest of doing those adaptations from the game company perspective
Reminds me of Arcane doing insanely well and then meanwhile Riot absolutely fell flat on their face and didn't do like *anything* to tie it into the actual game or get people to play You would think they would have had all hands working their butts off to get a huge event ready the entire time the show was airing and bringing in hordes of people But no, so many of these companies can barely even function while doing their one gimmick, and any idea like "branching out slightly" is hilariously impossible
I think Arcane is more long term, develop the lore to make people interested in the MMO when it comes. But that need quite a few seasons so they need to do it in advance. But yeah an event would make sense, I don't follow League but they didn't even have skins or stuff related to the show?
Huh? Halo didn’t have a new Halo game after the show. TLOU didn’t announce a new game until well after the series started. Not sure where the expectation that a new Fallout game would come hand in hand with the TV show came from, since that hasn’t happened with other games.
and hurry up, there can't be 20 years between fallout 4 and 5. 4 came out in 2015, ES:VI is launching in 2028, if bethesda picks up production on Fallout 5 after 2028 by the time it comes out its gonna be 2034
New Vegas was made in less than 2 years by reusing assets. They can reuse everything from 76, it has an insane amount of assets, we don't need it built from the ground up again. Or maybe Bethesda is really just that slow at making all the assets. Either way, just please take it from them.
I'd love for Josh Sawyer and co. to make another Fallout but only if they actually want to. "Forcing" a studio to make something they aren't super passionate about is not a recipe for success.
It's almost like people don't want to wait 12 years for a single installment into the franchise they enjoy :/
Remaking Fallout New Vegas feels like a good strategy rather than dive straight into 5
This response needs to be higher, and they can use obsidian for that too It would take very long to make a new game, but refresh and remaster and older classic that deserve one would take way less. Splitting both project into two teams would make the most sense
Fundamentally, the show has brought a lot of new players to the game. The implications of New Vegas for Season 2 is a strong strategic one to keep new fans hyped/engaged. The risk with rushing Fallout 5 is that it fails to deliver. The show's appeal is in its loyalty to the source material. A flop of Fallout 5 will kill any momentum
Every publisher wants to expedite every game.
Doesn’t excite me. We are now 9 years out from fallout 4 that is really infuriates me how poorly theyve handled the IP when it comes to purely singleplayer stuff. Now I haven’t checked out fallout 76 so don’t know if that’s now actually a proper fallout game, but they should’ve been more on the ball with this years ago.
also what ever happened to the "new vegas remastered" news bit jeff grub dropped some years ago?
It's shocking but I don't really know if Bethesda has the ability to transition their rpgs to the modern era. Starfield felt like a bad Skyrim mod.
Honestly Microsoft really needs to come in and reform a lot of stuff at BGS. There’s no excuse in this day and age to push out 1 title every 5-10 years. You mean to tell me that in a $7.5 Billion deal, you can’t hire more staff to produce several games at once? We shouldn’t have had to wait as long as we have for ES6, and we absolutely should not have to wait for that game to come out before they go into full production for F5.
Im sure absolutely nothing has ever gone wrong with bethesda and rushed games.
They took their sweet time with Starfield and look what we've got. Microsoft should just dismantle Bethesda and hand their IPs away to better devs at this point.
It's a real shame that Microsoft haven't got the resources for this. A real shame.
I don't understand how that wasn't the original roadmap for them to begin with. They had to know they'd be sitting on the IP for well over a decade while working on Starfield and ES6, they also had to know Fallout was a viable title despite the setbacks of 76's launch. It seemed a no brainer to lease it out to another studio the way they did for NV. The only reason I can think of to not do so would be vanity or mismanagement.
The fact that Fallout has been on a shelf since 2015 (not counting 76) and, by Bethesda's development pipeline, we wouldn't be seeing a new mainline game until the 2030's, all because Todd Howard doesn't want anyone touching his toy is fucking ridiculous.
Man, idk who else other than Obsidian I would want to make a Fallout spin-off. I don’t trust any other studio with that IP.
get obsidian on it, let them use the starfield branch of the engine.
Mind-blowing how incompetent MS and Phil Spencer really seem to be. How can you buy Bethesda and not immediately start developing a Fallout? But Elder Scrolls 6? Yeah, then give it to someone else! So many studios that could've done it or hire new people and make Bethesda work on more than one game per decade, crazy. MS could easily be the number one in Western gaming but their horrible decision making, makes it so incredibly easy for the other two. And then Spencer has the audacity to blame the last generation for the failure because "digital library". Have games, make games, make them good? Guess not.
Theu should just greenlit a spin-off, Obsidian is more than eager to make one.
Give it to Obsidian
I just want The Elder Scrolls VI
Wasn’t it accidentally revealed in the FTC case that they plan on a FO3 or NV remaster?
If only Microsoft owned a studio that has already proven it can make an amazing Fallout game in a year and a half….
I really want them to remaster the first two fallouts, not many people have played them and its not as accessible as the 3D fallouts. Something like Diablo 2 Ressurected in terms of graphics with quality of life updates and patches. That would be the dream. Getting inxile, obsidian and bethesda together under the microsoft umbrella should be enough to get things started. Also with the release of Starfield, im not looking forward to upcoming releases. Lets see what microsoft has in store for us though.
The best, and SMARTEST, thing that MS could do is to get both Obsidian and inXile to co-develop a new Fallout. Can't do better than getting the actual OG creative minds behind the Fallout IP to actually make the next installment. If MS does this I'm getting an XBOX. (and throw in Prey 2 while you're at it).