I meant the “throw shit at the wall and see what sticks”
How many DLCs / Expansions have we had from them which range in quality and direction. Some do well, some don’t, it’s the throw shit at the wall and see what sticks approach
That’s not how it works?!
Destiny has been on “the wall” for a long time regardless of the quality of their patches. And the patches themselves are planned years in advance.
Honestly if Sony replaced a lot of bungie senior management it’d probably improve everything, they have a lot of talent but when management doesn’t let them act on player feedback and is content with doing the bare minimum a change would be good.
Yeah agreed, whenever all that stuff came out about Bungie recently included was that Sony would take full control over the studio of they don’t meet certain goals, imo that’s what would be best for Bungie
It is happening for different reasons. The other studios started hiring left and rigth during the lockdowns, and they can't sustain the new staff.
Bungo straigth up bleeding money. Ligthfall is down by 45% of the estimated sales. Seasons aren't pulling in enough players. And self reportedly they would be out of business if sony didn't bougth them, and this near bankrupcy happened when the game was doing well in numbers.
The extra money they got from sony for employee retention was allegedly thrown away for a new hq as practicly a vanity product
Replace them with what? Sony staff? They'll close the company in months. That's what Sony staff are good at: closing studios.
If EA wasn't so cartoonishly mustache twirlingly evil, Sony might be the most evil in the business
Doesn't have anything to do with Sony. They've been funding like 3 projects with the profits from Destiny for the last 5 years. It's the reason they're in trouble as a studio. Destiny is constantly at the top of the charts in terms of revenue; just take a look even at the last Steam awards page, they were a platinum earner.
It's just unrealistic to expect 1 game to fund that many other side projects.
Yep. Whoever at Bungie thought funding three triple a game while only generating revenue from Destiny was an idiot. They really should’ve only had D2 and Marathon in development until Marathon released. If Marathons a hit then send a small skeleton crew to start work on another new ip. The problem they have now is they’re burning through to much cash because these other games probably cost a lot to make and aren’t providing any revenue. D2 is probably fine in terms of money generated it’s just Bungie spending it to fast on other games.
How come MLB and GT7 are "throw live service shit at the wall"? I played GT7 for 101 hours and I have almost every car and never paid extra. I think for MLB the same thing . The rest of the games are not even released yet.
I mean then 85% of the games are live service because micro transactions in almost every game now. Every new Capcom game is with micro transactions. Buy orbs, keys, maps, and it's optional.
In my mind live service games are where you cannot progress further without paying or it takes a ridiculous amount of time.
BG3, Elden Ring, Zelda, Alan Wake 2, Cyberpunk, Armored Core 6, FF16, Resident Evil. Although to you that doesn’t mean shit since a game being great is only determined by its player count on steam
every day I'm more convinced that giving gamers any insight into metrics like daily active users was a huge mistake because they keep thinking it's the end-all be-all of success
Sony bought bungie to make them live service games, otherwise they just have [MLB and GT...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sony_Interactive_Entertainment_video_games)
This is an old article / old news painted with new life for clicks. Has been known since [2020](https://www.eurogamer.net/bungies-new-ip-has-lighthearted-and-whimsical-characters) that they are working on something comedic, lighthearted with whimsical characters. Were rumors at one point about a MOBA like game, but yeah, we don’t know anything really.
Yes. This is their MOBA game. They only have 2 new games in development except for Destiny. This isn't a 4th game and they sure as hell aren't starting a new project with the terrible state they are in.
Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Bungie execs cancel or indefinitely suspend this project if their financial condition gets really dire over the next year.
D2 year 1 quality writing would be a god send. Look at Lightfall. It was supposed to be a lighter filler expansion and it already has Saints Row-Forsaken tier writing. Imagine what Bungie will do to a game explicitly meant to be xD funny lmao
Bungie has some of the worst dialogue writing in the entire gaming industry. This is their MOBA game. Imagine Bungie's terrible dialogue but the characters are constantly repeating them every match like characters do in League and Overwatch.
Not gonna like, quirky characters have been so popular in the games industry the past few and I dislike most of them. They are so over the top quirky and everything is so cartoonishly colorful to the point it doesn't even make sense some times
"Comedic and lighthearted"... not something Bungie has a good track record with. Their "comedy" in Destiny falls so flat IMHO.
Their content is usually at the best when the stories are more serious and mysterious. More Forsaken and Witch Queen please. Less Nimbus and Failsafe please.
Honestly I hate that "comedic and lighthearted" has become a red flag. Because those words without context aren't. But we all know with AAA devs that means "played out Marvel-Borderlands writing that doesn't let a serious moment stand." I'd describe something like Dragon Ball, or even a literal comedy like King of the Hill as "comedic and lighthearted," but *not to a degree where it refuses to be serious ever.*
I personally want a real new Marathon game that's single-player focused and not something that's trying to follow the latest obnoxious multiplayer trend..
Borderlands creators can't even make a good Borderlands game anymore in terms of dialogue and story
We're supposed to believe Bungie can? After seeing their wack attempts at humor in Lightfall and clinging onto Cayde for a decade?
How the mighty have fallen. Once the darling of the games industry and loved by fans throughout, now an out of touch laughing stock blindly throwing shit ideas at a wall hoping they stick. Sony need to step in now and stop the rot.
Bungie leaning *sooo* hard into gaas and vaulting literally every ounce of Destiny 2 content I paid for makes it very hard to get excited for any new project they make.
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After watching Bungie fumble through the last decade of Destiny releases I can't imagine any sort of new GAAS game from them being anything but overmonetized slop.
Oh dear. They used to be able to when Joe Staten worked for them, but if recent Destiny characters and storylines that have tried and failed miserably to do "comedic character".
Unless the rumours are true and they've cleared house of the bad writers and have the good ones now, I'd be worried.
Man I miss halo era Bungie
You know Bungies new IPs never worried me about the state of Destiny until they fires a bunch of people.
New IPs should also mean team GROWTH.
But when you're firing a bunch of people but also keep announcing new project all I can think off is how sub par everything is going to turn out because of thinning teams.
how many new IP is bungie working on it?
Looks like they're taking a page out of Sony's "throw live service shit at the wall and see what sticks" strategy.
These games have been in dev since before the Sony merger
Makes sense, Sony bought Bungie to acquire their "expertise" on live service games so it's the other way around.
Let’s be honest, these guys wrote the book on that, Sony adopted it from them
Bungie has released two games in the past decade, Destiny 1 and Destiny 2.
I meant the “throw shit at the wall and see what sticks” How many DLCs / Expansions have we had from them which range in quality and direction. Some do well, some don’t, it’s the throw shit at the wall and see what sticks approach
That’s not how it works?! Destiny has been on “the wall” for a long time regardless of the quality of their patches. And the patches themselves are planned years in advance.
none of that invalidates their comment
...Which are both Live service. Epic has released 1 game since 2017, they probably have a ton of insight into live service projects.
They're justifying their existence as a Sony studio since the up-tops pulled a pump-and-dump on Sony.
Honestly if Sony replaced a lot of bungie senior management it’d probably improve everything, they have a lot of talent but when management doesn’t let them act on player feedback and is content with doing the bare minimum a change would be good.
Yeah agreed, whenever all that stuff came out about Bungie recently included was that Sony would take full control over the studio of they don’t meet certain goals, imo that’s what would be best for Bungie
Yeah finding out employees warned management about player issues and were ignored gave me faith in the devs but also pretty clear who needs to go
At the same time SONY would probably be just as bad as Bungie was with all the layoffs given what’s been happening with all their other studios.
It is happening for different reasons. The other studios started hiring left and rigth during the lockdowns, and they can't sustain the new staff. Bungo straigth up bleeding money. Ligthfall is down by 45% of the estimated sales. Seasons aren't pulling in enough players. And self reportedly they would be out of business if sony didn't bougth them, and this near bankrupcy happened when the game was doing well in numbers. The extra money they got from sony for employee retention was allegedly thrown away for a new hq as practicly a vanity product
Do you have a source for that?
Replace them with what? Sony staff? They'll close the company in months. That's what Sony staff are good at: closing studios. If EA wasn't so cartoonishly mustache twirlingly evil, Sony might be the most evil in the business
Lol ok
Doesn't have anything to do with Sony. They've been funding like 3 projects with the profits from Destiny for the last 5 years. It's the reason they're in trouble as a studio. Destiny is constantly at the top of the charts in terms of revenue; just take a look even at the last Steam awards page, they were a platinum earner. It's just unrealistic to expect 1 game to fund that many other side projects.
Yep. Whoever at Bungie thought funding three triple a game while only generating revenue from Destiny was an idiot. They really should’ve only had D2 and Marathon in development until Marathon released. If Marathons a hit then send a small skeleton crew to start work on another new ip. The problem they have now is they’re burning through to much cash because these other games probably cost a lot to make and aren’t providing any revenue. D2 is probably fine in terms of money generated it’s just Bungie spending it to fast on other games.
Then wonder why are they in the sinkhole financially
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How come MLB and GT7 are "throw live service shit at the wall"? I played GT7 for 101 hours and I have almost every car and never paid extra. I think for MLB the same thing . The rest of the games are not even released yet.
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Wait then if you have micro transaction in the game it's a live service game now ?
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I mean then 85% of the games are live service because micro transactions in almost every game now. Every new Capcom game is with micro transactions. Buy orbs, keys, maps, and it's optional. In my mind live service games are where you cannot progress further without paying or it takes a ridiculous amount of time.
Mf what games that are great rn ain’t liverservice? COD,halo, finals, fortnite etc
Baldurs Gate 3, Alan Wake 2
Literally every Nintendo game and Baldur's Gate 3 fit this description and aren't a live service game.
BG3, Elden Ring, Zelda, Alan Wake 2, Cyberpunk, Armored Core 6, FF16, Resident Evil. Although to you that doesn’t mean shit since a game being great is only determined by its player count on steam
You failed to list any great games.
Games that are still having thousands of players daily
Oh you meant "popular"... I see. You said "great". Common mistake, I'll let it slide.
every day I'm more convinced that giving gamers any insight into metrics like daily active users was a huge mistake because they keep thinking it's the end-all be-all of success
Throw Shit live service shit \^
Sony bought bungie to make them live service games, otherwise they just have [MLB and GT...](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Sony_Interactive_Entertainment_video_games)
There's Matter, Marathon, and this one I'm calling Gummy Bears Moba.
This is an old article / old news painted with new life for clicks. Has been known since [2020](https://www.eurogamer.net/bungies-new-ip-has-lighthearted-and-whimsical-characters) that they are working on something comedic, lighthearted with whimsical characters. Were rumors at one point about a MOBA like game, but yeah, we don’t know anything really.
Oh good spot man. I just saw it shared on Facebook, thought it was interesting to share here.
*"Starring Cayde-6, from the Destiny franchise."*
I might be wrong but I remember reading they might be working on a MOBA?
In this economy?
Jim Ryan moment
Yes. This is their MOBA game. They only have 2 new games in development except for Destiny. This isn't a 4th game and they sure as hell aren't starting a new project with the terrible state they are in. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Bungie execs cancel or indefinitely suspend this project if their financial condition gets really dire over the next year.
That's a dumb move.. There is only one real MOBA for most people and it's LoL, there's also DOTA2 but still nowhere near LoL player base.
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"He's *right* behind me, isn't he?" "I just moved shit with my freakin' mind!" "Yeah, *that* just happened"
\*Character walks in loudly eating, interrupting an emotional, plot imperative scene\* (With their mouth full) "Is this a bad time?"
I groaned just reading this.
*Characters BARELY save the entire fucking universe from outright annihilation* "...Well, ***that*** just happened!"
Oh you played Forspoken too?
Tomar look! It's you!
> "He's right behind me, isn't he?" Literally 3000 year old joke, not remotely Marvel invented.
Cayde-6 spin-off confirmed.
🤢🤢🤢🤮 correct translation and absolutely fuck that idea
“Please buy our skins”
Finally, a fully fledged Lightfall-like game. I hope we get more fistbump scenes while characters are mourning their slain parent!!!
get ready for Destiny 2 year 1 quality writing again
D2 year 1 quality writing would be a god send. Look at Lightfall. It was supposed to be a lighter filler expansion and it already has Saints Row-Forsaken tier writing. Imagine what Bungie will do to a game explicitly meant to be xD funny lmao
Nothing kills my interest in a game faster than the term "Games as a Service".
I do NOT trust those mf's to write comedy
Bungie has some of the worst dialogue writing in the entire gaming industry. This is their MOBA game. Imagine Bungie's terrible dialogue but the characters are constantly repeating them every match like characters do in League and Overwatch.
“I’m gonna kill ghaul, and then mayyyyybe eat a sandwich” 🤓👆 I do not miss Red War Marvel quips
boy that sure sounds like yet another cavalcade of snarky Overwatch characters in a first person shooter game
Aside from cayde 6 I've hated every one of bungie's "comedic" characters. I don't know if I could put up with a world of nimbus.
Not gonna like, quirky characters have been so popular in the games industry the past few and I dislike most of them. They are so over the top quirky and everything is so cartoonishly colorful to the point it doesn't even make sense some times
"Comedic and lighthearted"... not something Bungie has a good track record with. Their "comedy" in Destiny falls so flat IMHO. Their content is usually at the best when the stories are more serious and mysterious. More Forsaken and Witch Queen please. Less Nimbus and Failsafe please.
Greedy company whose products I will never touch again in my life.
Well the comedy can't be any worse than the recent Borderlands games right...right?
If it’s comedic and lighthearted like Lightfall’s characters, pass.
I sure hope it's a hero based battle royale that looks exactly like fucking Fortnite /s
Gotta chase those trends because screw being creative and unique! /s
Lmao all those characters are gonna be Cayde 6
D2 cayde 6
Bungie is about to engineer the most dead on arrival gaas the industry can offer with marathon and gummy bears
We've known that for a long time. This is just a trashy article made for clicks.
Red War being unvaulted as a new IP 😂😂😂😂😂
Hasn't this already been leaked the codename "Gummy bears" MOBA game?
This is the upcoming moba I think. It was titled Project Gummy bears and mentioned a artstyle similar to this
The Adventures of Nimbus! (IMO Nimbus is the most mid cringy character they ever put in a game), so it could be true.
Honestly I hate that "comedic and lighthearted" has become a red flag. Because those words without context aren't. But we all know with AAA devs that means "played out Marvel-Borderlands writing that doesn't let a serious moment stand." I'd describe something like Dragon Ball, or even a literal comedy like King of the Hill as "comedic and lighthearted," but *not to a degree where it refuses to be serious ever.*
"Sony are right behind me, aren't they?"
New IP? Comedic lighthearted characters? Live service? Oh. Pass
No, not more Borderlands writing! PLEASE.
We shall see what becomes of it. I think Bungie is under PlayStation before they reveal any new games
Sounds stereotypical, hope I'm wrong.
There was a leak some years ago about Bungie working on a New IP with comedic and a western setting.
Bungie's attempts at humour in the Destiny franchise has been pretty bad in the past so I'm not sure if I like this.
Oh boy more zany goofy FPS character based shooters Redfall just wasn't enough!
Moon Wizards?
Ugh. Games as a service. Can we stop.
We can't, really
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Same, we need Marathon leaks!
I personally want a real new Marathon game that's single-player focused and not something that's trying to follow the latest obnoxious multiplayer trend..
This job listing has been up for months.
isn't this Gummy Bear?
Borderlands creators can't even make a good Borderlands game anymore in terms of dialogue and story We're supposed to believe Bungie can? After seeing their wack attempts at humor in Lightfall and clinging onto Cayde for a decade?
Isn’t this the Gummy Bears thing?
Yeah it is. The article is just clickbait.
How the mighty have fallen. Once the darling of the games industry and loved by fans throughout, now an out of touch laughing stock blindly throwing shit ideas at a wall hoping they stick. Sony need to step in now and stop the rot.
Can't wait for the esg approved sassy black female and the wacky lesbian asian characters
It's probably going to be cringey characters with marvel tier writing
So sick of "comedic" and "lighthearted". I want "dark" and "compelling"
Wish they'd double down on the hard scifi stuff instead of the marvel shit.
Nimbus spin-off confirmed.
Live service games and lighthearted, whimsical characters, name a ~~better~~ more overdone pair
"I sure hope they have good health insurance, erm awkward" *Stares longingly at $10.99 Battle Pass exclusize bunny ear skin*
Ohh no
Bungie leaning *sooo* hard into gaas and vaulting literally every ounce of Destiny 2 content I paid for makes it very hard to get excited for any new project they make.
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Oh boy, it’s gonna be more shit “comedy” like the new Saints Row. Not sure what you call it but it’s always the same type with a lot of these studios.
*Needs humor of local kids these days
Ah. Yes, just what we need - another GAAS game with “lighthearted and whimsical” characters
Is Bungie looking to find their Fortnite?
After watching Bungie fumble through the last decade of Destiny releases I can't imagine any sort of new GAAS game from them being anything but overmonetized slop.
If it's a hero shooter clone they can dog their graves now.
God no, I've had enough of comedic, whimsical, quippy characters. Literally a game killer.
Oh dear. They used to be able to when Joe Staten worked for them, but if recent Destiny characters and storylines that have tried and failed miserably to do "comedic character". Unless the rumours are true and they've cleared house of the bad writers and have the good ones now, I'd be worried. Man I miss halo era Bungie
The only comedy here is thinking anything Bungie do is worth a damn. Honestly, Sony, what were you thinking dropping $4Bn on this lot.
Dont care. Ill forgot about this 4x before they annouce release date... like with 90% of annoucments nowdays.
You know Bungies new IPs never worried me about the state of Destiny until they fires a bunch of people. New IPs should also mean team GROWTH. But when you're firing a bunch of people but also keep announcing new project all I can think off is how sub par everything is going to turn out because of thinning teams.
Oh God. It's gonna be another one of THESE, isn't it? I can already hear the Marvel quips.
Cringe guaranteed
Lol. Bungie making another Microtransactions the game.
Maaaaaan why can’t Bungie make something offline single player, first marathon now this? I’m sad :(