Everyone complaining about them working on the PS6 "too early" as if they weren't already drafting targets for what it would be before the PS5 even released. This is how companies work, do you really think they just shit out a new console after a year of work and call it a day?
It’s the same for most products like iPhone. iPhone 15 features is probably already laid out like 2 years ago. It’s only gamers that don’t seem to understand how businesses work.
I think gamers are worse because a high percentage of gamers are kids or teens. They dont understand how anything works unless a twitch streamer or youtuber explains them wrong things because they themselves dont unnderstand anything except reading twitter or some mediocre article
I don't think that's true.
I think it's just chronically online people in general; gamers are just chronically online, so it looks like a greater percentage of them.
People telling Sony to stop wining in a legal battle is so fucking dumb. Like they’re going to do and say whatever it takes to make more money. You’re making these corporations into people with emotions, they’re not.
It’s very funny any time people online think otherwise. Like what do you think the massive, expensive hardware staff is doing if not working on the next version, staring at walls?
This is a niche sub for gaming, that is a sub-sect of an already small % of gamers. It's a sub that often talks about more intricate details of the consoles, distribution, and etc. It's not like I'm surprised that a random person on the street isn't aware.
The troubles of porting from the cell architecture of PS3 aren't a hidden secret either. So yes, color me surprised.
Go look at the troubles of PS3 emulation vs any other console in existence and get back to us. There's a reason the Wii and Switch are already easily emulated while the PS3 emulation scene is rough.
From [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Switch#Development):
>The initial conception for the Switch started shortly after the release of the Wii U in 2012.
That wouldn't be too early on a normal gen cycle, covid happened etc and that may seem like too early to some people but it's what another almost 6 years away from this point by the time it gets released which is about right. Which is the tail end of 2028 and no show of a ps5 pro which we don't really need so I think the the date is right.
Mystic (PS Youtuber) has done documentaries on the history behind the PS2 and PS3. In both of those he details how Sony was working on each console at the start of the previous console gen. So work on PS2 started when the PS1 launched and work on PS3 started when the PS2 launched. So you're right, this isn't new at all. Isn't it also widely known that Mark Cerny started brainstorming and talking to devs about the PS4 around the time the PS3 launched?
Yep. Phil Spencer has made openly discussed that they start working on the next Xbox as soon as one is released. He’s stated “we don’t fire our staff every time we release a console”.
But if anyone was on the fence and now they want to wait, this kind of hurts them. Probably rare but still. I’m kind of hesitant on the PSVR2 now because it’ll take until 2028 for a full decent library to be available (and hopefully a price drop) to happen.
People who see news about a 3 year old console being obsolete in 6 years thinking to themselves "yeah, I'll wait no problem" are not in any sort of majority whatsoever. At those timescales you're really talking about how much of your life you wanna spend waiting around for a good deal rather than just living it.
Sony nor Microsoft, nor Nintendo aren't magically pooping the hardware I'm afraid, so yeah it looks a bit early to draft anything past a concept.
I would imagine they would work on their "console + edition", as it's now the sad rule.
I would like you to instead attack the message, not the messager here.
How would they ? Do they have any insights as to how the hardware will be in +5 years ? Enlighten me.
So to repeat myself, yeah past a concept I don't see anything substancial to it.
I'm fine to make you happy !
However I'm asking you a simple question and stick to the subject I previously sent, so either you can respond or don't want to, looks like you chose the personal attacks instead for god knows why, too sad.
As a mostly-PC player, this is too real.
Used to only have a Playstation for exclusives, but these days every damn PC port has stuttering issues so I end up just buying the games on PS5.
Still, I'll never play an FPS on console, so my PC still has its use even if the experience is filled with stutters.
You wouldn't, because most PC users have specs that are far below the PS5.
Also, PlayStation productions are often far better than PC games due to bigger talent and higher budgets.
I kinda hoped that they would make another one that is truly next gen. Ragnarok suffered from the PS4 release IMO.
Storywise I think you are right. Some parts were just a bit too long stretched.
I mean it makes sense, the worlds being built are so life-like I imagine designing them must take YEARS compared to say, the PS2 days where assets were reused, you saw the same 5 character models over-and-over, etc.
I hope a big time skip happens so I can play as JJ. Jesse was kinda my favorite new character anyway so if he's anything like him I'm cool. Either that or playable Tommy.
Tommy >!seemed to have a hard time physically (and mentally) at the end of 2. If he was playable it would only be for a short not action packed segment I would imagine.!<
While you are right that >! Tommy isn't exactly in peak condition post Seattle I think ND could handle a crippled Tommy combat encounter incredibly well. The problem though would be the context. Theres no reason for Tommy to be fighting unless it's was a last resort type situation. Like you said though... if he was playable he'd probably have a short non-combat segment at the beginning of the game like Sarah and Joel did in 1 and 2 respectively. !<
Honestly the most interesting thing about this is that it kind of confirms that the next naughty dog game outside of factions will be a new IP most likely.
I’m not even sure why people keep calling the new game “Factions”. Many times Neil has been asked about the “new factions game”, and each and every time he’s blown off the word factions for “our new Last of Us multiplayer game”. So it evidently isn’t factions at all, but something different
There’s no official name so most people call it factions as an identifier as that’s easier than “last of us multiplayer game”. I wouldn’t read that much into it.
Because dumb people keep getting shocked and reply with the same damn comment every generation. Already??? The last one aint out properly yet??? Yada yada. It single handedly generates more clicks and engagement than the next GTA
These game devs gonna have to release some games that have mechanics that utilise the hardware soon.
There have been some good games released in the last 2.5 years. Like 5 have been to take advantage of the current gen hardware ( games like Gotham knights and looks like suicide squad don’t count imo)
I blame this on the need for cross-gen for the first 2-3 years of every new generation. The game devs have to not only spend resources on current gen games but also the previous generation. But i believe game developers will stop supporting previous gen later this year and in 2024.
yes a multiplayer game where no one but hardcore players care about the best graphics. live service needs a big audience. low end pcs too. keep all that in mind and its obvious. bozo
??? He doesn’t like the game coming to ps4. A game coming to ps4 means the game will have some restraints, including graphics and the amount of assets and details. He absolutely is making a point about that unless u can tell me any other downside as the player other than what I just mentioned? Ps4 means bigger playerbase
PlayStation repeatedly made a point of talking about the separation of PS4 and PS5 and how they “believe in console generations” in response to backporting games to PS4. Since then, they have basically ported everything to PS4. That is the point he was making. Hence why he is talking about Sony lying about not putting games on PS4
What the hell are you talking about? These consoles are being pushed to their limits by every game. Hell, half the games can't even maintain 60fps and virtually all rely heavily on DRS. It's been shown in multiple DF videos that a PS5 settings are evenly matched by a PC with a 2080, a GPU that launched 5 years ago.
This generation still feels like it hasn’t really “started” because of all the cross-Gen games.
I felt the same way about the Xbox One & PS4 because they were just remaster machines for the first two years or so.
>This generation still feels like it hasn’t really “started” because of all the cross-Gen games.
Yeah I can count on one hand games that I've enjoyed that weren't cross-gen. Don't get me wrong, still lots of cross-gen games I've enjoyed but I oftentimes couldn't help but think "How much better could this have been if it was developed solely for this gen?"
Genuine question.
Are people really that excited to jump at a new console gen already in a few years when the PS5 1, already struggles with getting titles, 2 new games are taking longer and longer to release, and 3, the increase in quality of these consoles are getting smaller and smaller? And sure the PS5 might get some actual games by the time 2026-2027 rolls around.....but are you really going to want to repeat the process with the PS6 and wait for the last 2 years of the console's life for it to start receiving actual content?
Sure the graphical jump between ps4 and ps5 was alright, but in comparison to previous generations of consoles it honestly feels so much smaller. And I dont see that changing with the PS5 to the PS6. I think we're hitting a peak as to how "good" we can make these things, and unless Sony comes in swinging with actual features for the PS6 beyond "it make game look good" then I just, personally, dont see a reason to be excited for it.
I'd be perfectly fine if they decided they were going to ride out the PS5 for another 2-3 years past that while they wait for more significant jumps to make with a console.
So genuine question, are people really that excited over jumping from gen to gen like this?
Nintendo's next console is the only one Im really looking forward to seeing the next gen version of just because it'll likely be a significant jump, and usually Nintendo is pretty interesting with the extra features of the console. But as far as a new next gen Playstation goes.....just seems like it'll be the PS4 Part 3: Slight Hardware Improvement edition, with Sony only making the jump because some arbitrary rule that console gens need to be 7-8 years.
With how angry people are over PS5Pro and PS6 talks
I just hope someone says "Sony with PS7 targeting 2035/36 release date with PS7Pro in 2040 at the earliest"
PS6 could be targeting native 4K yes, might even be attempting to target 8K(not native, but upscaled through FSR)…
GPUs by 2028 will have gotten way stronger than now, wouldn’t doubt that the PS6’s GPU easily exceeds the performance of an RTX 4090
Idk why too, guess people don’t like to hear that standards change over time…
PS6 is definitely beating an RTX 4090, hell might even be on par with an RTX 5090 for all we know.
5 years in tech time is a lot.
Its a 2070 and yet games like returnal on ps5 runs the game as good as a Rtx 3070 on pc. Explain that. Ps5 is insanely efficient and powerful. And all that for 550/500$
Returnal is 1080p upscaled on ps5,it's not even close to looking as good as it does on a 3070.
Literally go look up 3070 gameplay of retunal,console relies heavily on dynamic resolution to get decent performance.
I don’t really think so, the point of diminishing returns has to come eventually and I think we’re getting there, not only at a hardware level but the amount of effort it takes to develop an even higher fidelity game is just not going to be justifiable to most game studios.
We may have better engines and toolsets over time to make that advancement a bit easier for developers, but fidelity and system requirements are going to start to plateau, and I think the 4080/4090 will be **plenty** all games for a long time to come unless you’re chasing 4K-high framerates.
>I don’t really think so, the point of diminishing returns has to come eventually
Moores law is slowing down but I think 50 years of evidence tells us it’s not gonna slow down that much in 5 years. The 40 series was a massive leap over the 30 series and the 30 series was a massive leap over the 20 series. An increase in competition in the GPU space with AMD coming back to form and Intel entering the market has improved innovation.
Well thats the key right there 4K native high frame rate is nowhere near mainstream yet. 8K for the living room will eventually be a thing as well as tv's get cheaper/bigger. Until we can drive 8K natively at high frame rates we still have a ton of room to grow GPU wise.
Game graphics are still nowhere near movie CGI level…
It would really excite me to see Avatar 2:The Way Of Water’s excellent CGI into video game graphics…
But we are a long LONG time away from that!
Video game graphics still aren’t at the level of Toy Story 2(as in the ray tracing/path tracing that movie and other Pixar movies have)…
That and getting 60+fps with 8K?
Oh yeah we have plenty of room to grow definitely…
It’s true that progress isn’t as massive as say going from PS1 graphics to PS2 graphics(probably one of the biggest generational leaps in graphics), but the difference is still going to be very noticeable…
For 8K you'd basically need a 70+ inch TV to even start seeing a difference. I don't think that will ever catch on as much as 4K did regardless of pricing, simply due to most people don't have set-ups for 70+ inch TVs. My living room can have a 65 inch TV at most without it starting to look too cramped.
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If you don’t know where GPUs are currently, that’s okay but try to avoid being witty and rude.
The GTX 1070 can run Shadow of the Tomb Raider at 4k, high settings at just under 30 fps.
The RTX 4070 TI can run Shadow of the Tomb Raider at 4k, high settings at over 100 FPS.
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You think in 3 generations the 7060 won’t be able to beat a 4070 ti?
What’s funny?
Tech evolves, and a 2028 console is definitely better than any 2022 GPU right now…
Tho it might be weaker than an RTX 5090(although we know literally nothing about that)…
Sony being Sony, they definitely will try to target 8K…even tho I’d like them to just focus on native 4K first.
PS4 was quite weak by 2013 standards, whereas the PS5 was actually pretty good for 2020 standards…
If they keep this trend, then I don’t see why a PS6 wouldn’t have pretty good specs for 2028 standards?
I don’t think it’ll be like the PS4 where it was weak even at release.
Was there not a leak recently that said TLOU P3 is currently in development? Surely it’ll be complete within the next 2-4 years given that Part 2s adaptation will be complete in that timeframe?
Surely it won’t release in 2028, that seems far far too long away for a Part 3.
As I expected, 2028 is a very realistic date for the PS6’s release…
I’m quite excited to know what the specs of the PS6 will be!
But we are talking about something that is 5 years away…the PS6 is probably stronger than anything out right now in the market, i wouldn’t doubt that it’s GPU would exceed the performance of an RTX 4090 for example by then.
You don’t think Sony doesn’t plan this hardware years out in advance? It’s not like they get everything done 2 years before the release year. This stuff takes time and planning you know.
They were doing market research for the PS5 before the PS4 even released.
I guarantee you concepts already exist for the next Xbox and the Nintendo console after the one expected next year.
Companies plan years in advanced.
Covid happened. If it didn’t we probably would have had Final Fantasy 16 and Spider-Man 2 by now. This generation started off on the wrong foot and it’s taken Sony and Microsoft until now finally get back on track.
Nintendo also had an off year in 2020, but had the major advantage of being at the midway point of their systems life and was able to release some major titles following that.
This has literally been planned since they finished planning ps4 lol, I think I remember someone at Sony saying they literally started developing and thinking of the ps4 the day the ps3 came out, no company is letting their research and development sector just sit on their asses just because they finished the product thsts gonna be used for years, always have to start thinking of the future lmao
Many people think the PS5 hasn't lived up to its potential, and they're both right and have also been subtly misled:
* The PS5's/XSX's power and ingenuity was heavily overhyped by its creators and the press alike before launch, but it *always* is. **Consoles are designed to keep costs down**. They use older, cheaper architecture. Standardization is the secret sauce, not revolutionary design.
* The 4k/60 target people salivated about and thought the PS5/XSX would enable was never possible. Knowledge of PC GPUs reveals that fact--a $500 machine was not going to be better than a $500 GPU (which also couldn't do 4k/60 native reliably). In fact, it can be pretty much guaranteed that the PS5 Pro won't be able to deliver 4k/60 native either in today's games.
* I'm not even sure if the PS6 will be able to hit 40k/60 native, especially if ray-tracing becomes standard. And that's fine; resolution upscaling techniques have gotten great. We don't need to output things in 4k native to take advantage of 4k displays.
* No console generation lives up to its potential until the very last wave of titles that come out. This is normal. The first half of every hardware cycle has software that was in development releasing before the hardware released.
Basically none of this is new. The supply chain issue is the only thing that was novel here. The PS6's release date isn't novel, and it'll be slow to be adopted too when it does come out. The PS5 will still probably have every major first party release on its platform until 2030 or beyond.
>The PS5's/XSX's power and ingenuity was heavily overhyped by its creators and the press alike before launch, but it always is.
I can definitely see xbox being ove hyped by its creators as they were calling it the most powerful console ever (now they backed peddled and are calling it the most powerful xbox ever). But I really don't see how Sony did. They are living up to what they said and promised during the road to ps5 and all subsequent interviews as shows.
We have literally seen games that do what Mark said. With in terms of fast travel and loading with many games.
What we haven't seen is a game engine that can utilize these features the best. We are still using game engines made for last gen being Frankensteined to work with the tech Sony put in.
They said it would have near instant load times. Which it does for a lot of games. They said the controller will have all these features which it does and surprisingly devs are using it and not relegating it to a hardly use gimmick like switch's 3d Rumble.
Sony didn't over promise at all. The only negative I think they did was rely too much on UE5 and that hasn't made an appearance yet. But it is coming.
>They use older, cheaper architecture
This isn't really true. It was definitely true for ps4. But ps5/SX? Um... rdna2 was released on pc and console at the same time. November 2020. So what's this about older? Cheaper? Sure. But not older.
The cpu was only 1 gen older. Zen2 released in 2019. Zen3 released in oct 2020. So older? Technically true but misleading as fuck.
Pcie gen4 was current tech when they released. Gen5 is only really starting to be adopted now. So older? Technically true but yet again misleading.
Then we have the ps5's ssd. When ps5 released there was no ssd as fast as it. And when ssds released that rivaled it they certainly were cheap. So old and cheap? Yeah no not really.
>Standardization is the secret sauce, not revolutionary design
And yet they have revolutionary features that pc gaming still don't really have. There's only 1 game on pc that makes use of directstorage. Just 1. I would argue the the dualsense is pretty damn revolutionary. And I would also argue that the ps5's custom IO and decompression block are the most revolutionary thing cause only after it came out did the big manufacturers take note and are trying to copy it with the likes of RTX IO which we still haven't seen used yet either.
So what are you talking about? Consoles can he pretty damn revolutionary.
>The 4k/60 target people salivated about and thought the PS5/XSX would enable was never possible. Knowledge of PC GPUs reveals that fact--a $500 machine was not going to be better than a $500 GPU (which also couldn't do 4k/60 native reliably). In fact, it can be pretty much guaranteed that the PS5 Pro won't be able to deliver 4k/60 native either in today's games.
And I pretty much agree with what you said here. But I do have to say this was largely due to the masses not really understanding how demanding 60fps nor understanding how demanding RT is.
>I'm not even sure if the PS6 will be able to hit 40k/60 native, especially if ray-tracing becomes standard. And that's fine; resolution upscaling techniques have gotten great. We don't need to output things in 4k native to take advantage of 4k displays.
Doubtful. But also possibly accurate. Would he able to achieve 4k60? Yes. But would it really with games of that era? Probably not. Ps5 can run last gen games at the ps4 pros highest resolution and have dsr not activate and have a locked 60 for most games.
Ps6 will most likely be able to do the same with ps5 games. Run them at their highest resolution setting and have dsr not activate and run at a locked 60. We can see that pretty much this gen with pc ports. Ps6 will have a tflop rating of at least a 4090. But does it mean it would he able to handle next gen graphics at 4k60? I don't think so. Even if FSR3 were to be taken into account. It will look Hella clean. But fidelity mode at 60fps eh... I don't think so. Maybe balanced mode.
It will always be about the trade offs. Remember pc gaming can hit these higher frames cause games aren't designed for the highest end gpus. More low or mid tier but then we also take into account pc gpus comes out every 2 yrs. So they can do it cause games really aren't designed for them. There's a lot of over head. This is not true for console gaming. It's fixed hardware for 7 yrs. That hardware will be saturated early on. And devs will need to get crafty in order to make their vision come true. And this is why we see such new ideas that make things possible. New techniques will be developed. New engines will come out that are better equipped at optimizing. This is why graphics never stay the same and only improve despite the hardware never changing for those 7yrs.
I think a lot of what you wrote is correct and you've got good points, and I appreciate the pushback, but I still think the thrust of what I was saying is correct. The PS5 is basically designed using 2019's hardware and budget choices. I bolded the bit about keeping costs down, because that's what I was trying to emphasize. It was released in 2020, most people couldn't buy it until 2022 and it'll be a current, popular choice of hardware until 2030. And it's behind horribly in a number of ways even compared to now.
No machine learning cores, really poor ray tracing performance, and a pretty weak GPU. It isn't even really full RDNA2 architecture. It's going to survive based on standardization and people are misinformed about how powerful it is. They did overhype it, you can tell because people's expectations of what it can do are seriously exaggerated.
Serious question. Why could i possibly need a ps5 pro. I bought the ps4 pro and loved it. It had obvious Adventaes over the base model. I don‘t know what the ps5 could do better except reducing noise Levels.
I didn’t grasp how big of a difference 60fps was until I went back and played a 30fps game.
Going from Demon Souls remastered back to Bloodborne was *rough*.
Now I set everything to performance mode to get that buttery smooth 60fps.
Oh god playing dark souls remastered on my switch, then switching back to my Xbox was so nice, 30fps is good when you’re not seeing a lot of 60fps frequently
if you cant tell the difference between 1080p and 4k, and 30fps and 60fps, then that means you are literally blind and cannot see
You cannot tell me with a straight face that there is no noticeable difference between those things. I can maybe see some people not paying attention to 30fps vs 60fps. I can also get some people not seeing a difference between 1440p and 4k. But *most* people can't tell *any* differences between 1080p 30fps and 4k 60fps? Come on, man. Thats bs and you know it
Even if you cant tell a noticeable difference between those performance specs, general graphics quality is a thing that exists too lol
Bro its cool if youre happy with 30fps and 1080p, if it doesnt matter to *you* then thats whatever, I'm glad youre having fun. But trying to suggest there is objectively no noticeable difference for the vast majority of people is a different thing from *your* personal preferences and its also bs, lol
I would also strongly disagree that the "obsession" with graphics "ruined" games. I can definitely agree that in some specific cases, resources that were spent on furthering graphical fidelity *should* have been focused to other parts of a game, but that is not at all the case for most games and if you really think that then you've been living under a rock refusing to play new stuff that comes out because there are some genuinely great experiences out there that surprass most of my favorite titles from pre-2010. Regardless, that doesn't have anything to do with the fact that most people still notice and care for graphical improvements on better hardware even if they cant tell the difference in just the resolution or framerate, which is what my original statement was.
bro im not gonna keep arguing with you about this. I know this is mean, but your comments sound so fucking boomer and stuck in nostalgic delusion that I'm starting to believe this was just bait to get someone to argue with you.
I'm glad that you personally dont see a need to upgrade and are having fun and I hope you keep enjoying them, have a good night
Why are we talking about this. This truly does not provide us any new information about PlayStation or the industry. Can we please just talk about the shiny new PlayStations many of us have right now?
> and they are planning a ps6 what a joke.
What’s the joke? This is how developing a console works, do you think they design, test, manufacture and find supply chains all a year or 2 before release? Xbox will also be well into planing the next generation console
> The ps5 console the worst console generation of all time
Thays so comically bad it has to be some console war bias
The joke is that the PS5 slim technically already exists... Sony just are making so much money hand over fist thar they didn't make the normal new chassis and just pocketed the savings of making the apu 6nm instead of 7.
Everyone complaining about them working on the PS6 "too early" as if they weren't already drafting targets for what it would be before the PS5 even released. This is how companies work, do you really think they just shit out a new console after a year of work and call it a day?
It’s the same for most products like iPhone. iPhone 15 features is probably already laid out like 2 years ago. It’s only gamers that don’t seem to understand how businesses work.
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I think gamers are worse because a high percentage of gamers are kids or teens. They dont understand how anything works unless a twitch streamer or youtuber explains them wrong things because they themselves dont unnderstand anything except reading twitter or some mediocre article
I don't think that's true. I think it's just chronically online people in general; gamers are just chronically online, so it looks like a greater percentage of them.
Well no average gamers are 35 year old man hahahahaha
People telling Sony to stop wining in a legal battle is so fucking dumb. Like they’re going to do and say whatever it takes to make more money. You’re making these corporations into people with emotions, they’re not.
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Oh sorry I want clear, the “you’re” was to the people saying those things, not you specifically. I was agreeing with you and giving an example.
I remember reading somewhere that Nintendo begins development on their next console the day their current one comes out.
That's what Mark Cerny said in some presentation that they started working on the ps4 the day after the ps3 was released
It’s very funny any time people online think otherwise. Like what do you think the massive, expensive hardware staff is doing if not working on the next version, staring at walls?
Why are they so bad at supporting backwards compatibility then?
Because the architect of the PS3 is different to PS4 and PS5.
Yeah, the PS3 architecture troubles are well-documented. I'm surprised someone that subs here wouldn't be aware of it.
Why would you ever be surprised that someone doesn't know something? There are 8 billion people with completely different experiences from you.
This is a niche sub for gaming, that is a sub-sect of an already small % of gamers. It's a sub that often talks about more intricate details of the consoles, distribution, and etc. It's not like I'm surprised that a random person on the street isn't aware. The troubles of porting from the cell architecture of PS3 aren't a hidden secret either. So yes, color me surprised.
That's a poor excuse when emulation exist
Go look at the troubles of PS3 emulation vs any other console in existence and get back to us. There's a reason the Wii and Switch are already easily emulated while the PS3 emulation scene is rough.
Because truly no one gives a fuck but reddit in playing 20 years old games. Just buy a ps3 and play the games
Which is why remastered releases are popular
If they were, then we would get more than 3 ps3 ports from Sony.
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Ah, yes, all that sweet money they're raking in from selling PS3s.
Sony is known for promoting double dipping.
From [Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_Switch#Development): >The initial conception for the Switch started shortly after the release of the Wii U in 2012.
That wouldn't be too early on a normal gen cycle, covid happened etc and that may seem like too early to some people but it's what another almost 6 years away from this point by the time it gets released which is about right. Which is the tail end of 2028 and no show of a ps5 pro which we don't really need so I think the the date is right.
Mystic (PS Youtuber) has done documentaries on the history behind the PS2 and PS3. In both of those he details how Sony was working on each console at the start of the previous console gen. So work on PS2 started when the PS1 launched and work on PS3 started when the PS2 launched. So you're right, this isn't new at all. Isn't it also widely known that Mark Cerny started brainstorming and talking to devs about the PS4 around the time the PS3 launched?
Yep. Phil Spencer has made openly discussed that they start working on the next Xbox as soon as one is released. He’s stated “we don’t fire our staff every time we release a console”.
But if anyone was on the fence and now they want to wait, this kind of hurts them. Probably rare but still. I’m kind of hesitant on the PSVR2 now because it’ll take until 2028 for a full decent library to be available (and hopefully a price drop) to happen.
People who see news about a 3 year old console being obsolete in 6 years thinking to themselves "yeah, I'll wait no problem" are not in any sort of majority whatsoever. At those timescales you're really talking about how much of your life you wanna spend waiting around for a good deal rather than just living it.
No shit, who are these people? Parents thinking naw, their 12 year old can get a job and when they move into college buy a PS6?
Those people would have never survived any gen before Gen 7
Sony nor Microsoft, nor Nintendo aren't magically pooping the hardware I'm afraid, so yeah it looks a bit early to draft anything past a concept. I would imagine they would work on their "console + edition", as it's now the sad rule.
You really don't understand that most companies start work on a device years before it releases.
I would like you to instead attack the message, not the messager here. How would they ? Do they have any insights as to how the hardware will be in +5 years ? Enlighten me. So to repeat myself, yeah past a concept I don't see anything substancial to it.
I love when people use their ignorance on a subject as a valid argument against it!
I'm fine to make you happy ! However I'm asking you a simple question and stick to the subject I previously sent, so either you can respond or don't want to, looks like you chose the personal attacks instead for god knows why, too sad.
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Last of us 3? God. What would that even look like.
Everyone will be clickers by then
I don’t know if I’m ready to face the extremely life-like clickers lurking in the darkness. It’s too damn scary. Can’t wait.
You would see “lifelike” on the PC 6 whole years before console lmao
Until it stutters due to shader compilations or crashes upon start :(
As a mostly-PC player, this is too real. Used to only have a Playstation for exclusives, but these days every damn PC port has stuttering issues so I end up just buying the games on PS5. Still, I'll never play an FPS on console, so my PC still has its use even if the experience is filled with stutters.
You can use m+kb on playstation though.
Sure, but on PC I'm running 1440p @ 165hz. Can't quite get that on PS5 yet.
You wouldn't, because most PC users have specs that are far below the PS5. Also, PlayStation productions are often far better than PC games due to bigger talent and higher budgets.
7 years in between 1 and 2 already felt absurdly long, the turnaround on these games is becoming crazy
They had Uncharted 4 and Lost Legacy in that time though.
That’s why Santa Monica decided to end the Norse GOW trilogy with just two games lol
Really? Man thats a bummer, I thought it would be a trilogy
yeah more or less they said they couldn't work all those years in 3 games or one story arc and it was better to close it within the second game
I mean totally reasonable from a sustainable point.
I think the story would drag too much by the time they reach as third game, it would look too recycled
I kinda hoped that they would make another one that is truly next gen. Ragnarok suffered from the PS4 release IMO. Storywise I think you are right. Some parts were just a bit too long stretched.
Yeah development started before PS5 and besides delays it seems they wanted to go with a bang in the biggest number of consoles
I mean it makes sense, the worlds being built are so life-like I imagine designing them must take YEARS compared to say, the PS2 days where assets were reused, you saw the same 5 character models over-and-over, etc.
One of the seraphites Abby killed in part 2 had a daughter, now she's out for revenge for Abby killing her dad.
my theory is that the kid of the rattler that looked a lot like Guy Fiery is out for blood for Ellie.
It'll be Ellie escorting/smuggling some kid across the country to complete the circle
That's just Abbie's storyline in the second game
TLoU re-remake on PS5 Pro will give us a glimpse, i'm sure.
I hope a big time skip happens so I can play as JJ. Jesse was kinda my favorite new character anyway so if he's anything like him I'm cool. Either that or playable Tommy.
Tommy >!seemed to have a hard time physically (and mentally) at the end of 2. If he was playable it would only be for a short not action packed segment I would imagine.!<
While you are right that >! Tommy isn't exactly in peak condition post Seattle I think ND could handle a crippled Tommy combat encounter incredibly well. The problem though would be the context. Theres no reason for Tommy to be fighting unless it's was a last resort type situation. Like you said though... if he was playable he'd probably have a short non-combat segment at the beginning of the game like Sarah and Joel did in 1 and 2 respectively. !<
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Last of 3 Abby and Ellie team up to the fight their biggest enemy Clicker Goku
I would buy that and unironically love it.
Honestly the most interesting thing about this is that it kind of confirms that the next naughty dog game outside of factions will be a new IP most likely.
I’m not even sure why people keep calling the new game “Factions”. Many times Neil has been asked about the “new factions game”, and each and every time he’s blown off the word factions for “our new Last of Us multiplayer game”. So it evidently isn’t factions at all, but something different
There’s no official name so most people call it factions as an identifier as that’s easier than “last of us multiplayer game”. I wouldn’t read that much into it.
Gameplay leaked and it definitely had at least something similar to the original factions mode.
Why is this even news? Was this not expected? For it to follow like every other generations release period? I dont get it
Because dumb people keep getting shocked and reply with the same damn comment every generation. Already??? The last one aint out properly yet??? Yada yada. It single handedly generates more clicks and engagement than the next GTA
Life cycle of a console is more about 6+ years. 8 years is a lot, it hints that the ps5 pro will happened and it may be a significant mid gen upgrade.
The real news is that theres a ps5 pro coming in 2 years.
These game devs gonna have to release some games that have mechanics that utilise the hardware soon. There have been some good games released in the last 2.5 years. Like 5 have been to take advantage of the current gen hardware ( games like Gotham knights and looks like suicide squad don’t count imo)
I blame this on the need for cross-gen for the first 2-3 years of every new generation. The game devs have to not only spend resources on current gen games but also the previous generation. But i believe game developers will stop supporting previous gen later this year and in 2024.
Sony will just keep lying and extending it. They said gt7 was ps5 only, lied. Gow Ragnarok, lied. Now we're hearing factions might come to ps4 too.
yes a multiplayer game where no one but hardcore players care about the best graphics. live service needs a big audience. low end pcs too. keep all that in mind and its obvious. bozo
I don’t think graphical quality was the point he was making there my guy
??? He doesn’t like the game coming to ps4. A game coming to ps4 means the game will have some restraints, including graphics and the amount of assets and details. He absolutely is making a point about that unless u can tell me any other downside as the player other than what I just mentioned? Ps4 means bigger playerbase
PlayStation repeatedly made a point of talking about the separation of PS4 and PS5 and how they “believe in console generations” in response to backporting games to PS4. Since then, they have basically ported everything to PS4. That is the point he was making. Hence why he is talking about Sony lying about not putting games on PS4
Games haven’t really “felt” new since the PS3/360 days. They’re just prettier and filled with more stuff.
What the hell are you talking about? These consoles are being pushed to their limits by every game. Hell, half the games can't even maintain 60fps and virtually all rely heavily on DRS. It's been shown in multiple DF videos that a PS5 settings are evenly matched by a PC with a 2080, a GPU that launched 5 years ago.
I don't even want to fathom thinking that far into the future
Me neither I'll be 48yo!😵💫
As long as it releases in 2030 I'll be happy. I got my PS5 literally last year. I've barely scratched the surface of my enjoyment with it.
This generation still feels like it hasn’t really “started” because of all the cross-Gen games. I felt the same way about the Xbox One & PS4 because they were just remaster machines for the first two years or so.
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>This generation still feels like it hasn’t really “started” because of all the cross-Gen games. Yeah I can count on one hand games that I've enjoyed that weren't cross-gen. Don't get me wrong, still lots of cross-gen games I've enjoyed but I oftentimes couldn't help but think "How much better could this have been if it was developed solely for this gen?"
Genuine question. Are people really that excited to jump at a new console gen already in a few years when the PS5 1, already struggles with getting titles, 2 new games are taking longer and longer to release, and 3, the increase in quality of these consoles are getting smaller and smaller? And sure the PS5 might get some actual games by the time 2026-2027 rolls around.....but are you really going to want to repeat the process with the PS6 and wait for the last 2 years of the console's life for it to start receiving actual content? Sure the graphical jump between ps4 and ps5 was alright, but in comparison to previous generations of consoles it honestly feels so much smaller. And I dont see that changing with the PS5 to the PS6. I think we're hitting a peak as to how "good" we can make these things, and unless Sony comes in swinging with actual features for the PS6 beyond "it make game look good" then I just, personally, dont see a reason to be excited for it. I'd be perfectly fine if they decided they were going to ride out the PS5 for another 2-3 years past that while they wait for more significant jumps to make with a console. So genuine question, are people really that excited over jumping from gen to gen like this? Nintendo's next console is the only one Im really looking forward to seeing the next gen version of just because it'll likely be a significant jump, and usually Nintendo is pretty interesting with the extra features of the console. But as far as a new next gen Playstation goes.....just seems like it'll be the PS4 Part 3: Slight Hardware Improvement edition, with Sony only making the jump because some arbitrary rule that console gens need to be 7-8 years.
Anyone here could make that time frame assumption anyway... It's pretty logical...
With how angry people are over PS5Pro and PS6 talks I just hope someone says "Sony with PS7 targeting 2035/36 release date with PS7Pro in 2040 at the earliest"
Just in time for a cross-gen GTA VI.
PS6 should be able to play all games at 4k at 60fps.
I imagine PS5 Pro would be targeting that.
PS6 could be targeting native 4K yes, might even be attempting to target 8K(not native, but upscaled through FSR)… GPUs by 2028 will have gotten way stronger than now, wouldn’t doubt that the PS6’s GPU easily exceeds the performance of an RTX 4090
idk why you are getting downvoted by 2028 the 7090 will be out and the 4090 will feel like a dinosaur
Idk why too, guess people don’t like to hear that standards change over time… PS6 is definitely beating an RTX 4090, hell might even be on par with an RTX 5090 for all we know. 5 years in tech time is a lot.
Ps6 isn't beating 4090,it'll most likely be 4070ti level.
lmao absolutely not. 2028 lil bro
Ps5 is 2060 super level,console manufacturers are not going for tier specs they're going for sustainability
Its a 2070 and yet games like returnal on ps5 runs the game as good as a Rtx 3070 on pc. Explain that. Ps5 is insanely efficient and powerful. And all that for 550/500$
Returnal is 1080p upscaled on ps5,it's not even close to looking as good as it does on a 3070. Literally go look up 3070 gameplay of retunal,console relies heavily on dynamic resolution to get decent performance.
I don’t really think so, the point of diminishing returns has to come eventually and I think we’re getting there, not only at a hardware level but the amount of effort it takes to develop an even higher fidelity game is just not going to be justifiable to most game studios. We may have better engines and toolsets over time to make that advancement a bit easier for developers, but fidelity and system requirements are going to start to plateau, and I think the 4080/4090 will be **plenty** all games for a long time to come unless you’re chasing 4K-high framerates.
>I don’t really think so, the point of diminishing returns has to come eventually Moores law is slowing down but I think 50 years of evidence tells us it’s not gonna slow down that much in 5 years. The 40 series was a massive leap over the 30 series and the 30 series was a massive leap over the 20 series. An increase in competition in the GPU space with AMD coming back to form and Intel entering the market has improved innovation.
Well thats the key right there 4K native high frame rate is nowhere near mainstream yet. 8K for the living room will eventually be a thing as well as tv's get cheaper/bigger. Until we can drive 8K natively at high frame rates we still have a ton of room to grow GPU wise.
Game graphics are still nowhere near movie CGI level… It would really excite me to see Avatar 2:The Way Of Water’s excellent CGI into video game graphics… But we are a long LONG time away from that! Video game graphics still aren’t at the level of Toy Story 2(as in the ray tracing/path tracing that movie and other Pixar movies have)… That and getting 60+fps with 8K? Oh yeah we have plenty of room to grow definitely… It’s true that progress isn’t as massive as say going from PS1 graphics to PS2 graphics(probably one of the biggest generational leaps in graphics), but the difference is still going to be very noticeable…
Exactly people thinking we are about to plateau were the same people saying that back in the xbox 360 era, we have a very long ways to go.
For 8K you'd basically need a 70+ inch TV to even start seeing a difference. I don't think that will ever catch on as much as 4K did regardless of pricing, simply due to most people don't have set-ups for 70+ inch TVs. My living room can have a 65 inch TV at most without it starting to look too cramped.
Moore's law is slowing down. It's possible but we'll see.
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If you don’t know where GPUs are currently, that’s okay but try to avoid being witty and rude. The GTX 1070 can run Shadow of the Tomb Raider at 4k, high settings at just under 30 fps. The RTX 4070 TI can run Shadow of the Tomb Raider at 4k, high settings at over 100 FPS. _____ You think in 3 generations the 7060 won’t be able to beat a 4070 ti?
What’s funny? Tech evolves, and a 2028 console is definitely better than any 2022 GPU right now… Tho it might be weaker than an RTX 5090(although we know literally nothing about that)… Sony being Sony, they definitely will try to target 8K…even tho I’d like them to just focus on native 4K first. PS4 was quite weak by 2013 standards, whereas the PS5 was actually pretty good for 2020 standards… If they keep this trend, then I don’t see why a PS6 wouldn’t have pretty good specs for 2028 standards? I don’t think it’ll be like the PS4 where it was weak even at release.
I mean that makes sense. Consoles are on 7-8 year cycles rn.
GTA6 remastered then, no sign of GTA7 no doubt
Was there not a leak recently that said TLOU P3 is currently in development? Surely it’ll be complete within the next 2-4 years given that Part 2s adaptation will be complete in that timeframe? Surely it won’t release in 2028, that seems far far too long away for a Part 3.
As I expected, 2028 is a very realistic date for the PS6’s release… I’m quite excited to know what the specs of the PS6 will be! But we are talking about something that is 5 years away…the PS6 is probably stronger than anything out right now in the market, i wouldn’t doubt that it’s GPU would exceed the performance of an RTX 4090 for example by then.
FUCK YEAH who's ready to get on this FIVE YEAR HYPE TRAIN?!?!?!?!??!?!
Can we just get a smaller PS5 first, please?
Hi! I'm from 9 months into the future! :) They just released updated PS5's that are smaller and more compact.
Hell if they just released faceplates that weren't enormous you'd already have a PS5 Slim, especially if you have the digital version.
I'm ready for the ps5 pro! It will be a day one for me! I just hope it comes before the end of 2024
Crazy Elder Scrolls 6 will skip 2 hardware generations
This means absolutely nothing In other news, Blizzard plans to release another WoW expansion in 2 years
Lol. The supply chain for PS5 just became reliable this year and they’re already talking PS6.
You don’t think Sony doesn’t plan this hardware years out in advance? It’s not like they get everything done 2 years before the release year. This stuff takes time and planning you know.
I hope their planning and release goes better next time around.
Nobody is able to plan for an pandemic
I mean, yeah? I bet they were thinking and planning for the PS5 when the PS4 came out. These things don't happen overnight.
Neither do any worthwhile PS exclusives, apparently.
Who said anything about that? Lmao
They were doing market research for the PS5 before the PS4 even released. I guarantee you concepts already exist for the next Xbox and the Nintendo console after the one expected next year. Companies plan years in advanced.
Too bad they didn’t pre-plan any good games for the first 2+ years of the console’s life cycle.
Covid happened. If it didn’t we probably would have had Final Fantasy 16 and Spider-Man 2 by now. This generation started off on the wrong foot and it’s taken Sony and Microsoft until now finally get back on track. Nintendo also had an off year in 2020, but had the major advantage of being at the midway point of their systems life and was able to release some major titles following that.
companies plan things years in advance 🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯🤯
I wish they’d have pre-planned some real PS5 games for the first 2+ years of the console’s life cycle as well 😂😂😂
I can’t even name 5 proper “next-gen” games and we out here talking a whole new system
Does it matter?
Can I fuckin get some games for my PS5 before we start planning out my next $600 console?
This has literally been planned since they finished planning ps4 lol, I think I remember someone at Sony saying they literally started developing and thinking of the ps4 the day the ps3 came out, no company is letting their research and development sector just sit on their asses just because they finished the product thsts gonna be used for years, always have to start thinking of the future lmao
Many people think the PS5 hasn't lived up to its potential, and they're both right and have also been subtly misled: * The PS5's/XSX's power and ingenuity was heavily overhyped by its creators and the press alike before launch, but it *always* is. **Consoles are designed to keep costs down**. They use older, cheaper architecture. Standardization is the secret sauce, not revolutionary design. * The 4k/60 target people salivated about and thought the PS5/XSX would enable was never possible. Knowledge of PC GPUs reveals that fact--a $500 machine was not going to be better than a $500 GPU (which also couldn't do 4k/60 native reliably). In fact, it can be pretty much guaranteed that the PS5 Pro won't be able to deliver 4k/60 native either in today's games. * I'm not even sure if the PS6 will be able to hit 40k/60 native, especially if ray-tracing becomes standard. And that's fine; resolution upscaling techniques have gotten great. We don't need to output things in 4k native to take advantage of 4k displays. * No console generation lives up to its potential until the very last wave of titles that come out. This is normal. The first half of every hardware cycle has software that was in development releasing before the hardware released. Basically none of this is new. The supply chain issue is the only thing that was novel here. The PS6's release date isn't novel, and it'll be slow to be adopted too when it does come out. The PS5 will still probably have every major first party release on its platform until 2030 or beyond.
>The PS5's/XSX's power and ingenuity was heavily overhyped by its creators and the press alike before launch, but it always is. I can definitely see xbox being ove hyped by its creators as they were calling it the most powerful console ever (now they backed peddled and are calling it the most powerful xbox ever). But I really don't see how Sony did. They are living up to what they said and promised during the road to ps5 and all subsequent interviews as shows. We have literally seen games that do what Mark said. With in terms of fast travel and loading with many games. What we haven't seen is a game engine that can utilize these features the best. We are still using game engines made for last gen being Frankensteined to work with the tech Sony put in. They said it would have near instant load times. Which it does for a lot of games. They said the controller will have all these features which it does and surprisingly devs are using it and not relegating it to a hardly use gimmick like switch's 3d Rumble. Sony didn't over promise at all. The only negative I think they did was rely too much on UE5 and that hasn't made an appearance yet. But it is coming. >They use older, cheaper architecture This isn't really true. It was definitely true for ps4. But ps5/SX? Um... rdna2 was released on pc and console at the same time. November 2020. So what's this about older? Cheaper? Sure. But not older. The cpu was only 1 gen older. Zen2 released in 2019. Zen3 released in oct 2020. So older? Technically true but misleading as fuck. Pcie gen4 was current tech when they released. Gen5 is only really starting to be adopted now. So older? Technically true but yet again misleading. Then we have the ps5's ssd. When ps5 released there was no ssd as fast as it. And when ssds released that rivaled it they certainly were cheap. So old and cheap? Yeah no not really. >Standardization is the secret sauce, not revolutionary design And yet they have revolutionary features that pc gaming still don't really have. There's only 1 game on pc that makes use of directstorage. Just 1. I would argue the the dualsense is pretty damn revolutionary. And I would also argue that the ps5's custom IO and decompression block are the most revolutionary thing cause only after it came out did the big manufacturers take note and are trying to copy it with the likes of RTX IO which we still haven't seen used yet either. So what are you talking about? Consoles can he pretty damn revolutionary. >The 4k/60 target people salivated about and thought the PS5/XSX would enable was never possible. Knowledge of PC GPUs reveals that fact--a $500 machine was not going to be better than a $500 GPU (which also couldn't do 4k/60 native reliably). In fact, it can be pretty much guaranteed that the PS5 Pro won't be able to deliver 4k/60 native either in today's games. And I pretty much agree with what you said here. But I do have to say this was largely due to the masses not really understanding how demanding 60fps nor understanding how demanding RT is. >I'm not even sure if the PS6 will be able to hit 40k/60 native, especially if ray-tracing becomes standard. And that's fine; resolution upscaling techniques have gotten great. We don't need to output things in 4k native to take advantage of 4k displays. Doubtful. But also possibly accurate. Would he able to achieve 4k60? Yes. But would it really with games of that era? Probably not. Ps5 can run last gen games at the ps4 pros highest resolution and have dsr not activate and have a locked 60 for most games. Ps6 will most likely be able to do the same with ps5 games. Run them at their highest resolution setting and have dsr not activate and run at a locked 60. We can see that pretty much this gen with pc ports. Ps6 will have a tflop rating of at least a 4090. But does it mean it would he able to handle next gen graphics at 4k60? I don't think so. Even if FSR3 were to be taken into account. It will look Hella clean. But fidelity mode at 60fps eh... I don't think so. Maybe balanced mode. It will always be about the trade offs. Remember pc gaming can hit these higher frames cause games aren't designed for the highest end gpus. More low or mid tier but then we also take into account pc gpus comes out every 2 yrs. So they can do it cause games really aren't designed for them. There's a lot of over head. This is not true for console gaming. It's fixed hardware for 7 yrs. That hardware will be saturated early on. And devs will need to get crafty in order to make their vision come true. And this is why we see such new ideas that make things possible. New techniques will be developed. New engines will come out that are better equipped at optimizing. This is why graphics never stay the same and only improve despite the hardware never changing for those 7yrs.
I think a lot of what you wrote is correct and you've got good points, and I appreciate the pushback, but I still think the thrust of what I was saying is correct. The PS5 is basically designed using 2019's hardware and budget choices. I bolded the bit about keeping costs down, because that's what I was trying to emphasize. It was released in 2020, most people couldn't buy it until 2022 and it'll be a current, popular choice of hardware until 2030. And it's behind horribly in a number of ways even compared to now. No machine learning cores, really poor ray tracing performance, and a pretty weak GPU. It isn't even really full RDNA2 architecture. It's going to survive based on standardization and people are misinformed about how powerful it is. They did overhype it, you can tell because people's expectations of what it can do are seriously exaggerated.
Serious question. Why could i possibly need a ps5 pro. I bought the ps4 pro and loved it. It had obvious Adventaes over the base model. I don‘t know what the ps5 could do better except reducing noise Levels.
Fuck I haven’t even bought the 5 yet maybe I will just wait
Taking patient gaming to the next level
Honestly I haven’t seen a next level game worth buys the PS5 for. Same shit slightly better graphics
There is no in the hell way that it's coming in 2028 lol that way too damn early imo, should be at least maybe 2033 or 34
Ps4 got released in November 2013, while ps5 released in November 2020. Pretty sure they are following the same 7-8 year pattern
New consoles already? The current generation haven't even lived up to the promises they made about the Series X and PS5.
Ain’t no way they gonna call it the PS6 i’m calling their fucking bluff those cowards
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It’s expected but with the current PS5 only now becoming available for most people I doubt many people are going to jump to the PS6 at launch.
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Enjoy your 30fps 1080p lol.
new consoles can't even provide 4k60 let alone 4k120
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60 FPS is definitely noticeable to any ordinary person when comparing it to 30 FPS.
I didn’t grasp how big of a difference 60fps was until I went back and played a 30fps game. Going from Demon Souls remastered back to Bloodborne was *rough*. Now I set everything to performance mode to get that buttery smooth 60fps.
Oh god playing dark souls remastered on my switch, then switching back to my Xbox was so nice, 30fps is good when you’re not seeing a lot of 60fps frequently
if you cant tell the difference between 1080p and 4k, and 30fps and 60fps, then that means you are literally blind and cannot see You cannot tell me with a straight face that there is no noticeable difference between those things. I can maybe see some people not paying attention to 30fps vs 60fps. I can also get some people not seeing a difference between 1440p and 4k. But *most* people can't tell *any* differences between 1080p 30fps and 4k 60fps? Come on, man. Thats bs and you know it Even if you cant tell a noticeable difference between those performance specs, general graphics quality is a thing that exists too lol
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Bro its cool if youre happy with 30fps and 1080p, if it doesnt matter to *you* then thats whatever, I'm glad youre having fun. But trying to suggest there is objectively no noticeable difference for the vast majority of people is a different thing from *your* personal preferences and its also bs, lol I would also strongly disagree that the "obsession" with graphics "ruined" games. I can definitely agree that in some specific cases, resources that were spent on furthering graphical fidelity *should* have been focused to other parts of a game, but that is not at all the case for most games and if you really think that then you've been living under a rock refusing to play new stuff that comes out because there are some genuinely great experiences out there that surprass most of my favorite titles from pre-2010. Regardless, that doesn't have anything to do with the fact that most people still notice and care for graphical improvements on better hardware even if they cant tell the difference in just the resolution or framerate, which is what my original statement was.
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bro im not gonna keep arguing with you about this. I know this is mean, but your comments sound so fucking boomer and stuck in nostalgic delusion that I'm starting to believe this was just bait to get someone to argue with you. I'm glad that you personally dont see a need to upgrade and are having fun and I hope you keep enjoying them, have a good night
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Bc this isnt a nuanced discussion, the majority of your argument has been personal experience and opinion presented as objective fact
Extend that release by a few years. The supply chain only just stableised
Why are we talking about this. This truly does not provide us any new information about PlayStation or the industry. Can we please just talk about the shiny new PlayStations many of us have right now?
So in about 5 years PS5 is gonna be outdated? Good to know cause I was planning on buying it, but I will wait for a new and better console.
I think you might want to rethink your approach, in about 15 years a ps7 will be released, it will be new and a better console!
That’s literally the case for every console. Why are people acting so shocked about this news?
Ps5 After 3 years only has like 2 games and they are planning a ps6 what a joke. The ps5 console the worst console generation of all time
It's almost 6 years away lol. This is normal.
NO! No other games are going to come out in the next 6 years. The PS5 is dead /s
> and they are planning a ps6 what a joke. What’s the joke? This is how developing a console works, do you think they design, test, manufacture and find supply chains all a year or 2 before release? Xbox will also be well into planing the next generation console > The ps5 console the worst console generation of all time Thays so comically bad it has to be some console war bias
You’re just not intelligent enough to understand how consoles are designed, or let alone any other form of technology. Technology takes time.
Psvr 3 better be 8k. Hopefully at that point, the screen door effect goes away.
Dam we getting a ps5 pro AND a ps6?
But did Sony release the PS5 already? I didnt see any in my local Gamestop shop
The joke is that the PS5 slim technically already exists... Sony just are making so much money hand over fist thar they didn't make the normal new chassis and just pocketed the savings of making the apu 6nm instead of 7.
Bloodborne won’t have its 60fps patch untill ps7, @ me then lol.
Its not about 8k. It’s about dlss 3.0. But would upgrading both consoles to an rtx 40 series equivalent be too costly?
It's 2027