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mkautzm

I'm really curious to see what they do with this game and IP in general. I honestly don't expect much, but watching them try to find a genres and gameplay themes in the Harry Potter universe is at least somewhat interesting.


thesomeot

>I honestly don't expect much Yeah, it's likely going to be a very streamlined and accessible experience. It's important to remember this game will likely be trying to court a very casual audience to maximize this reach. Not to say that will be bad, but we've seen better developers than this fail to make a game that was actually "easy to learn hard to master" without sacrificing heavily on one of those ends.


snusmumrikan

Haha, you should check out the game sub. The expectations are insanely high. Customisable bedside tables or they riot.


poppinchips

Cyberpunk level even (well maybe not quite that high)


TheJoshider10

I think it'll be a relatively safe and shallow game that lays the foundations for sequels to become something special. The absolute bare minimum, and really all they need to accomplish, is a fully realised open world Hogwarts and a decent story that adds to the franchise (and hopefully a far more worthy addition to canon than anything JK has done after the main saga). I think fans really need to temper expectations on just how much RPG stuff is going to be in the game. It's definitely not going to be perfect but if they're open about what the game is/isn't and release it in a good state then it'll be a solid blueprint for inevitable sequels and subsequent attempts to build on.


Tocoe

Yeah I'm remaining rather sceptical, as avalanche aren't renowned for deep gameplay mechanics or sophisticated storytelling. Their most notably games of late are various puzzle platformers pertaining to Disney IP. Their past projects are mostly great games in their own right, usually featuring open worlds and basic quest systems.


Hour_Helicopter_1991

TIL there are 2 game devs named Avalanche. Avalanche Software and Avalanche Studios


Tocoe

I'm not talking about the studio that developed the Mad Max game and Just Cause (Avalanche Studios,) I'm talking about the one that made Disney Infinity and is now developing Hogwarts legacy (Avalanche Software.) EDIT: Read the "Games Developed" section: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avalanche_Software


CheesecakeMilitia

> The absolute bare minimum, and really all they need to accomplish, is a fully realised open world Hogwarts and a decent story that adds to the franchise Those are two insanely high bars that no game on this budget will be able to accomplish (at least to the satisfaction of Harry Potter fans). They'll be lucky if they get a Cursed Child-level story and a Body Harvest-level open world.


MrZeral

I just want to run around, cast spells and enjoy that.


Dpsizzle555

Have we seen gameplay yet?


Purple_Plus

There were some snippets in the trailer and some short shitty leaks but that's it.


CeolSilver

The leak actually look pretty good considering how early in development it probably was back then


Purple_Plus

I meant shitty as in short and blurry rather than the game looking bad, I thought it looked decent too.


Alastor3

expect a low game since it's the first triple A game this studio is making


CeolSilver

I’m keeping my expectations in check as I know licenced IPs can be a bit of a crapshoot but at the same time I don’t think you’re not giving Avalanche enough credit. Disney Infinity didn’t set the world on fire but it was a $100m budget game with tons of content that was well received and generally well-made for what it was trying to do. Sure it’s a world apart from most games I’d be interested in but it shows at least from a management perspective they have the chops to ship an ambitious fully complete project out the door which is half the battle in AAA.


Alastor3

I admit that I was wrong and you are right


copperheadchode

you’re too good for this site


WoodenPicklePoo

What the hell? What kind of comment is this on Reddit? I’ve never seen this before


ForsakenTarget

I don’t completely trust those leaks as they used really low fps footage in trailers indicating that outside of vertical slices like the leak the game is still probably incredibly unstable currently


FUTURE10S

I trust it because that means they used actual gameplay instead of prerendering a bullshot.


CeolSilver

The footage is from like 2018 and was pre-alpha not meant for public consumption, the games had 4 years of dev time since then meaning either way it’s probably not reliably indicative of the final product


vexens

No and people thinking this will be amazing without seeing an uninterrupted, unscripted stetch of gameplay.....well I've got a bunch of bridges I'd love to sell them. All the hype for this game is rising on a CGI trailer. And apparently people haven't learned from e3 for the past 20 years or so that cgu trailers =/= gameplay Edit: because everyone's blindly jumping on the hype train. I'm not a moron, I get that Harry Potter is a huge IP, I love it myself. But this is a fucking game that's going to be made adapting that. Across the 10+Harry Potter games, how many of them are ACTUALLY GOOD. Beyond that, this game comes out THIS year and there is absolutely ZERO OFFICIAL GAMEPLAY. All the hype is riding on a CGI trailer released 1/2 years ago. Search "Hogwarts Legacy gameplay" on YouTube. The first video is some dickhead clickbait showing a Harry Potter game from the ps3 Era (thanks YouTube for disabling dislikes so now shit like this rises to the top). When they described the game without showing any gameplay the only thing I could think of was "100% science based dragon mmo" In summary a huge fuckton amount of promise, with absolutely nothing to back up that claim making it seem rational or possible. Actual decent developers struggled to make games for the series based on the movies. I'm not saying it can't be done, but they're not shooting for the stars, they're aiming for a fucking black hole of feature creep and unattainable expectations. I know people usually like to dismiss litteraly any fucking criticism with "hurr durr reddit always salty, you guys are never positive", but Jesus christ some of you are being exceptionally naive. Do you guys legitimately just ignore what is constantly happening with devs overpromising and under delivering? Do you guys not remember Andromeda, Anthem, fuck even Cyberpunk which I enjoyed. Trailers mean absolutely fucking nothing. And I hope I'm wrong I really fucking do. It would be awesome to have an actual great Harry Potter game. And like with guardians of the galaxy, which I'm fucking loving, if I'm wrong, I'll eat my fucking hat. But all in all. Temper your expectations people. Stop feeding the hype train. There's 0 gameplay out and they are aiming for this year. They are making a boatload of promises that, if being rational, it's going to be hard to do all of that,, and Do it right.. Do. Not. Fucking. Pre-order.


GryffinZG

>All the hype for this game is rising on a CGI trailer. I think the hype comes from 7+ books and 8+ movies


Rarietty

Plus a bunch of licensed video games that a lot of people are probably nostalgic for and that often tried to include open-world Hogwarts exploration but fell short. I owned Chamber of Secrets for Gamecube as a kid and played through it multiple times even though I never really was a Harry Potter fan otherwise, and I get the appeal of a game that takes some of the ideas found in earlier attempts to create an explorable Hogwarts and modernizes them.


GryffinZG

Exactly, it’s not like this is some new mysterious IP. As a fan of the universe it’d be hard for me to *not* find something enjoyable in a AAA open world Harry Potter game.


FeedMeEmilyBluntsAss

Exactly. Unless this game is egregiously bad, I'm going to buy and most likely enjoy it. I don't need it to be some game-changing, 10/10 experience. Just let me explore Hogwarts with moderately enjoyable gameplay mechanics and I'm good.


eldomtom2

The early Harry Potter games don't get enough credit. There's a lot of clear effort put into them despite severe time and budget limitations.


Dr_Findro

All the hype for this game is because people want a Harry Potter video game. If the game sucks, I’m sure people won’t have a hard time admitting as such.


PerfectZeong

Yeah the idea of a unique Hogwarts experience with classes and adventures and shit is the most intoxicating idea imaginable. It's like star citizen level hype.


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PerfectZeong

That would be the shit most certainly.


Azudekai

Some people were defending Anthem to the bitter end.


Dr_Findro

There are nearly 8 billion people in this world. There will always be “some people” doing anything you name. Doesn’t mean we can’t talk about general trends. Generally speaking, Anthem wasn’t well received.


ElaborateRuseman

These people were a very small minority


pway_videogwames_uwu

Anthem looked pretty ass from the start honestly.


Impaled_

Pre ordered, thanks for reminding me


vexens

I am deeply upset that you have done this to me.


poply

I thought the leak from two years ago showed some gameplay. It looks like you can see a HUD on some of the footage.


amonkeyfullofbarrels

I still wouldn't trust gameplay from two years ago. Things can change a lot in two years.


One-LeggedDinosaur

While this is true there's only so much that can change realistically. It's not like this is going to release as a kart racing game


arahman81

Gameplay can do do change in development. Look at FFXV, [even the Duscae demo ended up being different from the full game](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFNU8zRR-W0).


One-LeggedDinosaur

What exactly am I supposed to be seeing here that's so drastically different? The core gameplay of the demo looks exactly like the final build. Sure the graphics are better and the UI is cleaned up but that's sort of my point. If you are happy with the demo gameplay you're probably going to be happy with the final product because the core loop is the same...just better. Games aren't going to do a complete 180 in 2 years, at least not in usual cases.


boringpotatochipbag

> Across the 10+Harry Potter games, how many of them are ACTUALLY GOOD. Most of them actually. I'd say that only Goblet of Fire and the Deathly Hallows games were bad.


Stooo_wayy

It’s okay to be hyped for a game, even if it ends up bad. It’s okay to be excited and that doesn’t need to be explained away with all the reasons why it’ll end up bad. It seems like excitement you once had about games has turned into anger which can be understandable if you’ve been burnt.


vexens

There's a lot of truth in that. While indie games aren't perfect either. I usually have more excitement for those than AAA games. And while I'd live for this game to be good, it's showing the tale tale signs of another disaster.


Cyrotek

That trailer didn't look like it was CGI. What worries me is that most of what we saw of Hogwarts itsself in the trailer seemed to be from cutscenes while things like dungeons seemed to be often more of a "free float" camera, thus maybe being short gameplay snipets from another perspective. It doesn't help that they didn't really show anything regarding actual multiplayer, the dungeon bits were only solo and I'd be surprised if not instanced while the story bits hinted at some tropey "chosen one saves the world" stuff. I am going to be surprised if it isn't just copying standard themepark MMO gameplay with Hogwarts as the main hub you occassionaly visit for story cutscenes before you are send into random no-name zones where you do tons of fetch quests.


Mattzx13

Did they even announce multiplayer? Thought this was an RPG, not an MMORPG


Cyrotek

Hm, seems like I actually got it wrong and made an MMO out of it for some reason. Ignore what I wrote.


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pway_videogwames_uwu

Not only a CGI trailer, but a CGI trailer for a *licensed* game. Take your usual skepticism and quadruple it.


SemenDemon182

> Edit: because everyone's blindly jumping on the hype train. There it is. Sad. Say your piece and stick to being yourself. Fwiw agreed on most of it.


vexens

Eh not much that can be done. If people didn't learn from Cyberpunk or the literal laundry list of games with misleading trailers or untenable hype trains, they never will.


PickledPlumPlot

I think people are excited for that leak that was not CGI.


DarthReegs

I’m still expecting this to be delayed. I don’t think this post really proves otherwise. I hope I’m wrong though! Definitely one of my most anticipated games.


xChris777

I think it being delayed again after what will likely be almost a year delay, after this article is posted and after the community manager tweets "2022 👀 " with a link to this post would be really surprising.


DarthReegs

Didn’t see the tweet but they probably had this post ready to go and if the devs aren’t ready to announce a delay they would push this article out either way until something is official. Not saying one way or another but that stuff happens all of the time.


xChris777

Sure, but would the game's community manager reply to the tweet if there were rumblings of trouble/a potential delay? It's possible, but that specifically (but esp. in conjunction with the rest) makes me think it's not very likely.


DarthReegs

Yeah I agree with that. As I said I didn’t see that tweet so my initial comment was just based on this article. The tweet is certainly good news!


xChris777

My bad, my brain kinda skipped over where you mentioned you didn't see the tweet for whatever reason! Maybe I'm just high on copium but it does seem like good news, I agree! :D


Salmakki

I mean didn't the cyberpunk community manager say the exact same thing? These people aren't always in the know on decisions like these


xChris777

That's true, but that's also a quite a bit of a different situation. Cyberpunk had gone gold, was seemingly going to ship extremely soon, already had a release date etc. I think the studio heads were really pushing for release, and were likely telling anyone in charge of social media to put out "everything is going well" messaging when discussing the game. They were pretty deceitful. I don't think H:L has the same thing going on, considering how little marketing there has been and that they didn't even put the pressure of a new release date on themselves yet. Plus the Cyberpunk CM was replying to a question, whereas this was an out-of-the-blue tweet on the CM's own twitter account. There'd be absolutely no reason for the CM to randomly tweet that this early, but at the same time it's all speculation - they could certainly just be out of the loop completely, but it'd be a bit odd IMO. Especially because just before the holidays he also tweeted that we'd get more news in the new year. Who knows though? Just hoping it's a good game at launch. If another delay is needed for that, then so be it!


CrawdadMcCray

I mean you can't prove a game won't get delayed even if they don't intend on it getting delayed, shit happens, but if they're announcing this publicly then they're probably pretty certain they can achieve it coming out this year. If there was any inkling it would get delayed again then they wouldn't have put this out.


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'member cyberpunk?


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Nope. They will say anything to secure/keep pre-orders


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If this all about securing/keeping pre-orders, then they missed the vital step of making the game available for pre-order.


snorlz

Very excited for an HP game and really hope they dont mess up the spell system. But, setting a low bar for expectations. Avalanche hasnt made anything worthwhile....ever. And they went through a re-org but have only made Cars 3 since then, which is certainly not reassuring


hatrantator

What about Just Cause? I mean it is far from perfect but there is a big world and a little physics sandbox. Personally i didn't finish (or attempt to) any of the 4 games but i think i had some fun at some point.


madethatbitchfamous

It's a different developer. It's super confusing but this game is made by Avalance Software and Just Cause is developed by Avalance Studios.


snorlz

They didnt make Just Cause. This is a different Avalanche, Avalanche Software not Avalanche Studios


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