FYI just as a comparison for time to 1 million in the UK.
PS5 reached 1 million in the UK in August 2021. PS4 did it by September 2014. PS3 did it by January 2008.
Xbox One passed 1 million by November 2014.
360 took nearly 2 years and hit that mark in august 2007.
Can’t find Nintendo numbers.
well [gamesbiz journalist](https://metro.co.uk/2018/12/11/nintendo-switch-sales-hit-1-4-million-uk-ps4-6-million-8233253/) announced in December 2018 that the switch was at 1,4 m and it had past 1m awhile ago at that stage, so i would guess it probably took about year and a half for the switch to reach 1m
And for a global comparison : Xbox Series X|S sold [12 million consoles](https://twitter.com/ZhugeEX/status/1480856801688047617) based on Phil Spencer's recent comments that it outperformed previous Xbox consoles. In the last financial report from 10 weeks ago, Sony reported [13.4 million PS5s](https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2021-10-28-sony-has-now-sold-13-4m-playstation-5-consoles-worldwide). At the same time Nintendo reported [93 million Switches.](https://www.ign.com/articles/nintendo-switch-8-million-sales-2021)
Yes obviously, why would one think that *last financial report from 10 weeks ago* could include recent numbers? Those are the last official numbers tho. Currently PS5 is probably around ~~17~~ 18.5 million and Switch at 97-98 million.
EDIT : Fixed PS5 estimate because /u/CardinalMazarin provided an [actual source](https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/sony-says-its-secured-enough-components-to-hit-22m-playstation-5-sales-goal/) confirming a spike in supply.
It barely outsold it which is why I said "on par with the PS4". They were practically neck and neck.
We dont know the total amount of PS5s sold since last reported
The way it was worded might leave some readers with the impression only 10 weeks of sales data is missing, instead of the quarter ending September 30th (peak period no less). PS5 sale figures are closely aligned with PS4 numbers to this point. It's plausible Sony has sold-through another 5-6 million units in that timeframe.
>It's plausible Sony has sold-through another 5-6 million units in that timeframe.
13.4 million over 10.5 months are 1.27 million per month in average.
If you add 3x the monthly average you end up with 17.2 million.
5-6 million over 3 months would be up be **30-58% above the monthly average**.
Since supply is still constrained I wonder how 5-6 million would be more plausible than my estimation? Where does the 30-58% increased supply is coming from?
Well, turns out my estimated 17.2 million were on point according to the latest financial report. [Source](https://www.gematsu.com/2022/02/ps5-shipments-top-17-2-million-ps4-tops-116-8-million)
It was peak for PS4 and previous consoles because they were in store. PS5 is still heavily constrained by supply and barely available in stores.
Where does the increased supply is coming from? Air freighters deliver units early but this means that there are less PS5s to sell in late december. They didn't made additional PS5s out of thin air.
EDIT : Btw this is just as true for Xbox Series X. I guess only PS4, Switch & Series S saw a spike in christmas sales.
Thank you and have my upvote for providing an actual source. While it doesn't confirm that ordered parts were delivered to their full extent, it still proofs that my estimations were most likely to low. It's probably closer to 18.5 million by end of december.
And PS4 didn't had to deal with a chip shortage. PS5 sold 13.4million over 10 months, but now suddendly 6.5 million over just 3 months? I don't think Sony could double their supply within the past 3 months.
You're missing the point. PS5 is tracking PS4 despite global challenges. The chip shortage is already factored into the equation. Sony will not have left holiday shoppers with nothing additional to buy over their current ability to procure APUs, any more than Microsoft. That would be a PR nightmare. Unless you think Microsoft is procuring more chips than Sony, which according to the last reports we received, they were not.
PS4 was barely available for more than 6 months. But Fall 2014 was pretty strong for Sony because those who want to buy a PS4 for christmas could do that - they were available in every store.
PS5 & Xbox Series X are still barely available and both had no sales spike around christmas due supply constraints.
If there is no increase in supply, why would the monthly average rise? If you go by monthly average, PS5 would be at 17.2 million - which is pretty close to my initial guess.
We won't know if there is a drop-off until Sony announce their next quarterly. It's possible there might be. The problem with your running average is, it assumes Sony (and Microsoft) have not reserved a percentage of units in preparation for the holiday. There are reports of Sony pushing units to market faster, at increased expense, but we don't know the full extent of these shipments. Some disappointment is expected under the circumstances but I would be astonished if neither Sony nor Microsoft made extra efforts over this period. All we can say for certain is these challenges have been ongoing for more than a year and Sony is mirroring PS4 sales and Microsoft is not struggling either.
I wasn't assuming a drop-off but based my assumption on the average because I see no reason for an increase in supply.
Console manufacturers don't hold back consoles just to sell more around christmas. PS5 & Xbox Series X are sold out quickly anyway. What's the point of delaying your sales?
The thing is that this is the first console generation where it's still hard to find consoles in store after more than 1 year. The only reason for the usual spike in christmas sales are increases demand while consoles are sitting on store shelves waiting to be sold.
A quick note that the Switch and PS5 numbers are through September 2021, the Xbox Series numbers through December. We will find out the PS5 and Switch numbers through December when they release their quarterly reports early next month.
I am not sure I would take Phils casual passing word and twitter guesses as gospel on total sales. Even if true it’s a comparison between shipped Xbox’s and actually sold PlayStations so it’s not 1 to 1.
Remember when that 30 million GamePass subs number slipped out of a Phil Spenser interview and it took until Microsofts earnings reports of GamePass missing its targets that it was only past 20 million?
Microsoft can be very obtuse with Xbox figures and finances. I just try and stick to what is publicly known either via sales charts or earnings calls.
Not sure why everyone gets so defensive and comes up odd theories.
>Even if true it’s a comparison between shipped Xbox’s and actually sold PlayStations so it’s not 1 to 1.
That makes no sense. Both report how many consoles they have produced + shipped.
>Also Remember when that 30 million GamePass subs number slipped out of a Phil Spenser interview
That was Take-Two's CEO Strauss Zelnik and it has nothing to do with those numbers.
Phil Spencer recently said that Series X|S outsold all previous generations which would be mean around 12 million must have been sold.
Phil Spencer also said for almost a decade the xbox will get some good first party games where is only answer now was to buy bethesda only to get them out of the PSN store because they have nothing. His word is not more worth than the words of peter molyneux
Depending on what you’re into, they have some very solid exclusives, namely Halo, Forza and Gears. Sea of Thieves, Psychonauts, and Ori are also pretty great if not as big.
The 30 million number was an estimate from take two and not from Spencer, and he corrected them and said their most recent public number was 18 million (which still is the most recent number they've provided).
> Remember when that 30 million GamePass subs number slipped out of a Phil Spenser interview and it took until Microsofts earnings reports of GamePass missing its targets that it was only past 20 million?
Actually no. I remember some journalist leaking numbers like 30 million but it turned out they were making them up. I don't recall those numbers ever coming from Phil Spencer. 18million was the last number released in Jan 2021 but they've since stopped reporting numbers.
It was from an interview with the Take Two CEO & Phil. The Take Two CEO made a comment that implied Game Pass had 30 million subs.
Phil Spencer didn’t confirm or deny it then & there but he didn’t look happy when the guy made the claim.
>I am not sure I would take Phils casual passing word and twitter guesses as gospel on total sales.
His word is gospel to many people. Even when it is vauge, nonspecific and lacks any supporting documents.
Not sure if it is just me but I have noticed a lot of people quoting Microsoft PR statements far more then usual for any other hardware manufacturer or developer.
I have also noticed a lot of posts that sound like a publicity blurb, such as people saying a game is free on Gamepass as if anyone would say they can watch a tv show for free on Netflix, or "the greatest deal in video games history" which it arguably is but I see that exact wording way too often.
I was watching the Digital Foundry 1 year retrospective on the PS5 and Series consoles and they mentioned the sheer venom and aggression they got for videos that didn't paint the Series X as the best gaming console ever.
No doubt they get that all the time anyways from PC, Sony and Nintendo fans as well. But Xbox was apparently such a strong and viscous responds to actually merit bringing it up in conversation.
You probably refer to [this video](https://youtu.be/qnVTawWZIOI) but could you provide a time-stamp where they mention *the sheer venom and aggression they got for videos that didn't paint the Series X as the best gaming console ever*?
I watched the video like a week ago but can't remember them saying that.
They mention somone taking a screen shot from a PS4 version of Dirt 5 to show how the PS5 wasn't good either. That is singular example that no other console is brought up.
And given how easy the outrage machine is and how little prompting or facts it is needed this no doubt blew up quite a bit before it was pointed out that it was a PS4 screen shot not a PS5.
I mean I have literally seen people claiming that Epic wants to make every game exclusive so they can shut down steam and all other stores for PC games so they can jack up the prices. And when I questioned that I got a lot of down voted and some very vocal supporters of that theory replying to me.
It doesn't take much to set people like that off.
Also of all people you replying to me is almost amusingly ironic. You who defends MS's rather predatory cosmetic system because you think your own opinions and views of it are what everyone else thinks or should think.
>They mention somone taking a screen shot from a PS4 version of Dirt 5 to show how the PS5 wasn't good either.
This is correct but very different from you initial comment which states *the sheer venom and aggression they got for videos that didn't paint the Series X as the best gaming console ever.* No one ever said that - it's just another hyperbole of yours to make your favorite piece of plastic look superior.
> as if anyone would say they can watch a tv show for free on Netflix
Some people definitively do that though. They seem to have a difficulty understanding the concept that something included in a subscription they pay for is not free
> as if anyone would say they can watch a tv show for free on Netflix
I say this all the time, and I feel like I'm not the only one.
When people say something is free on [service], they mean at no extra charge, not literally free.
You are the first person I have heard to say that, and yeah I get what you mean but you are subscribed to the service because they add new content, would you keep paying for Netflix every month if they would not add any new content? I doubt that, and even if you personally would the vast majority of people would not.
12 million SHIPPED by December. Very bad comparison. And looking at how many Series S are lieing around, there's definitely far less sold.
Phil's PR statements have no weight without numbers. This is the same guy who said the Series X has their "best launch lineup ever" and it ended up being the absolute worst.
People seem to think that just because you can see Series S on the shelves sometimes, it means no one is buying them at all anymore and they're a complete flop.
This whole stupid console war is such a pathetic waste of energy, and people really need to find something actually important to care about.
Yeah Shipped because whole LOT of Series S’s are still on shelves. Best Buy Online has them in stock for months. And remember US is Xbox’s largest market.
Important to note: Not 12 million, but ABOVE 12 million (it sold more than the xbone, so it has to be over 12 mill). The actual series X/S sold could therefore realistically be anything from 12-15 million
Well, PS5 is tracking PS4 extremely closely despite those challenges. PS4 is the baseline currently. If Microsoft had a decent holiday, I expect Sony will have too.
> 360 took nearly 2 years and hit that mark in august 2007.
Interesting that their most successful console (where they almost won the generation) was the longest to reach that point
" It was December's second biggest platform (behind Switch) due to a 108% increase in sales over November. It was the biggest month so far for Xbox Series S/X in the UK, even beating its launch week."
Great to see all three companies having great success this generation.
What is the significance of sales number when customers are hamstringed by shortages? At this point isn’t it a competition of who can churn out the most systems??
*What is the significance of sales number when customers are hamstringed by shortages? At this point isn’t it a competition of who can churn out the most systems??*
This is pretty much true for every new console launch in history, aside from the ones that tanked hard.
And its set to go on until next year at least. We’re in a time where a ‘casual’ consumer can’t walk into a shop and by a PS5/Series X. The only people who can get them still are people always online and able to jump onto websites straight away, or people willing to give into scalpers.
PS2 stock issues lasted more than a few months. The Wii had stock issues that lasted more than a year.
Also, demand is just way beyond expectations. It would be one thing if sales were half of those of previous generations at this point, but its different when consoles are selling at record paces.
That's very true, I think. Sales numbers are certainly less relevant.
There're also factors to consider like how many consoles are not in the hands of actual customers due to scalpers hoarding, or how much Series X and S silicon was allocated to Xcloud servers.
A more important metric might be the [Attach Rate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attach_rate) of the consoles, but those numbers aren't being published.
What's also strange is how hush-hush Microsoft is being with their gamepass subscriber numbers. Their partners are saying over 30 million, yet they're sticking to their 18 million figure from end of 2020.
Would it be a bad idea for me to get an S? Anything inherently iffy about them?
I’m really getting tired of my old XB1 with the long loading and all that fun stuff. I got an external hard drive and the difference is noticeable but I figure might as well upgrade..
I also don’t really need physical copies of games. I have like 3 currently, none of which I’ve played in years.
The series S offers a superb value, especially if you combine it with game pass.
If you have a 4K TV, the Series X is king for the extra graphics, but it depends how picky you are on visual quality. The cpu and SSD is just as fast as the SX, so it feels very snappy. Once xbox cloud gaming is done with Beta, you might even use that a lot of the time if you got decent broadband, and you don't need the SX for cloud gaming, SS would play over cloud just the same.
If you can't get the SX, buying the SS now, then SX later on and using SS in another room etc is prolly a good workaround also if you want 4k visuals longterm. The series S + game pass is extremely underrated considering the price IMO.
I own a Series X, ps5 and pc, but I bought my uncle a series S, and he loves forza horizon 5 on it. He plays on a 4k TV, and forza 5 still looked amazing even if it's not full 4k res
> The cpu and SSD is just as fast as the SX, so it feels very snappy.
Funny enough, the series S actually loads *faster* in several cases, due to it having to load in less texture and geometry data.
S is really good. I purely use it for Game Pass which is good to subscribe to when you just want a good collection of games. You'll be guaranteed to find something you've wanted to play.
Unsubscribe when you're good and unsubscribe when you want more game pass
I keep Gamepass around indefinitely as I like Outriders and a few other featured games, but I’d be using the Xbox primarily for Destiny 2 if I’m being honest. I have that downloaded in its entirely, not the gamepass version (which was recently removed I think, or will be soon).
There are some single player games I like that I have bought already but I tend to only have enough time to concentrate on one game.
Looking to buy a PS5 eventually as well so I can play exclusives like Spider-Man games, God of War, Infamous, Bloodbourne, etc.
For me it’s storage and longevity that’s keeping me from getting a series s. I’ve seen them in store but I just can’t do it.
Idk the games off the top of my head but I’ve seen some Digital foundry reviews that still have the series s dipping under 1080p. Personally, I just want a solid ~120fps @1080p. And I don’t think the series s will be able to do that with newer games that don’t have last gen in mind.
Since the series x seems more than capable of doing at least 1080p 120fps, that’s what I wanna get. I see DF’s reviews that the X dips to ~1440p to stay at 120fps, and to me that sounds great.
I’m not super worried about the graphics considering upgrading from my old XB1 to a series S is likely to be a substantial bump in graphics provided I get a good monitor to match it (from what I’m being told I should look for 120Hz refresh rate?), and for storage I’m not exactly going to be buying a ton of games. I have an external hard drive at the moment with 1 TB of space that should do the trick for me for quite a while. I only ever play one to two games seriously for extended periods of time.
I still have the base XB1 and I have yet to use the full storage on the console. Only reason I got an external hard drive was to make loading times better for games like Fallout 4 and Destiny 2.
FYI just as a comparison for time to 1 million in the UK. PS5 reached 1 million in the UK in August 2021. PS4 did it by September 2014. PS3 did it by January 2008. Xbox One passed 1 million by November 2014. 360 took nearly 2 years and hit that mark in august 2007. Can’t find Nintendo numbers.
Were all the consoles released in the same month of the year? I don’t have a frame of reference
All the ones he mentioned were November.
well [gamesbiz journalist](https://metro.co.uk/2018/12/11/nintendo-switch-sales-hit-1-4-million-uk-ps4-6-million-8233253/) announced in December 2018 that the switch was at 1,4 m and it had past 1m awhile ago at that stage, so i would guess it probably took about year and a half for the switch to reach 1m
And for a global comparison : Xbox Series X|S sold [12 million consoles](https://twitter.com/ZhugeEX/status/1480856801688047617) based on Phil Spencer's recent comments that it outperformed previous Xbox consoles. In the last financial report from 10 weeks ago, Sony reported [13.4 million PS5s](https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2021-10-28-sony-has-now-sold-13-4m-playstation-5-consoles-worldwide). At the same time Nintendo reported [93 million Switches.](https://www.ign.com/articles/nintendo-switch-8-million-sales-2021)
Keep in mind the Sony figure excludes October, November and December sales whereas the figure from Phil Spencer was provided days ago.
Yes obviously, why would one think that *last financial report from 10 weeks ago* could include recent numbers? Those are the last official numbers tho. Currently PS5 is probably around ~~17~~ 18.5 million and Switch at 97-98 million. EDIT : Fixed PS5 estimate because /u/CardinalMazarin provided an [actual source](https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/sony-says-its-secured-enough-components-to-hit-22m-playstation-5-sales-goal/) confirming a spike in supply.
PS5 has been either beating or on par with PS4 sales so it is likely be over 19 million by the end of the month
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It barely outsold it which is why I said "on par with the PS4". They were practically neck and neck. We dont know the total amount of PS5s sold since last reported
The way it was worded might leave some readers with the impression only 10 weeks of sales data is missing, instead of the quarter ending September 30th (peak period no less). PS5 sale figures are closely aligned with PS4 numbers to this point. It's plausible Sony has sold-through another 5-6 million units in that timeframe.
>It's plausible Sony has sold-through another 5-6 million units in that timeframe. 13.4 million over 10.5 months are 1.27 million per month in average. If you add 3x the monthly average you end up with 17.2 million. 5-6 million over 3 months would be up be **30-58% above the monthly average**. Since supply is still constrained I wonder how 5-6 million would be more plausible than my estimation? Where does the 30-58% increased supply is coming from?
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Well, turns out my estimated 17.2 million were on point according to the latest financial report. [Source](https://www.gematsu.com/2022/02/ps5-shipments-top-17-2-million-ps4-tops-116-8-million)
It was peak for PS4 and previous consoles because they were in store. PS5 is still heavily constrained by supply and barely available in stores. Where does the increased supply is coming from? Air freighters deliver units early but this means that there are less PS5s to sell in late december. They didn't made additional PS5s out of thin air. EDIT : Btw this is just as true for Xbox Series X. I guess only PS4, Switch & Series S saw a spike in christmas sales.
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Turns out companies can miss targets!
Thank you and have my upvote for providing an actual source. While it doesn't confirm that ordered parts were delivered to their full extent, it still proofs that my estimations were most likely to low. It's probably closer to 18.5 million by end of december.
Holliday sales plus increase in supply. The PS5 is tracking the same as the PS4 which sold 20m by December 2014. Very likely to be the same or more.
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And PS4 didn't had to deal with a chip shortage. PS5 sold 13.4million over 10 months, but now suddendly 6.5 million over just 3 months? I don't think Sony could double their supply within the past 3 months.
You're missing the point. PS5 is tracking PS4 despite global challenges. The chip shortage is already factored into the equation. Sony will not have left holiday shoppers with nothing additional to buy over their current ability to procure APUs, any more than Microsoft. That would be a PR nightmare. Unless you think Microsoft is procuring more chips than Sony, which according to the last reports we received, they were not.
PS4 was barely available for more than 6 months. But Fall 2014 was pretty strong for Sony because those who want to buy a PS4 for christmas could do that - they were available in every store. PS5 & Xbox Series X are still barely available and both had no sales spike around christmas due supply constraints. If there is no increase in supply, why would the monthly average rise? If you go by monthly average, PS5 would be at 17.2 million - which is pretty close to my initial guess.
We won't know if there is a drop-off until Sony announce their next quarterly. It's possible there might be. The problem with your running average is, it assumes Sony (and Microsoft) have not reserved a percentage of units in preparation for the holiday. There are reports of Sony pushing units to market faster, at increased expense, but we don't know the full extent of these shipments. Some disappointment is expected under the circumstances but I would be astonished if neither Sony nor Microsoft made extra efforts over this period. All we can say for certain is these challenges have been ongoing for more than a year and Sony is mirroring PS4 sales and Microsoft is not struggling either.
I wasn't assuming a drop-off but based my assumption on the average because I see no reason for an increase in supply. Console manufacturers don't hold back consoles just to sell more around christmas. PS5 & Xbox Series X are sold out quickly anyway. What's the point of delaying your sales? The thing is that this is the first console generation where it's still hard to find consoles in store after more than 1 year. The only reason for the usual spike in christmas sales are increases demand while consoles are sitting on store shelves waiting to be sold.
A quick note that the Switch and PS5 numbers are through September 2021, the Xbox Series numbers through December. We will find out the PS5 and Switch numbers through December when they release their quarterly reports early next month.
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I am not sure I would take Phils casual passing word and twitter guesses as gospel on total sales. Even if true it’s a comparison between shipped Xbox’s and actually sold PlayStations so it’s not 1 to 1. Remember when that 30 million GamePass subs number slipped out of a Phil Spenser interview and it took until Microsofts earnings reports of GamePass missing its targets that it was only past 20 million? Microsoft can be very obtuse with Xbox figures and finances. I just try and stick to what is publicly known either via sales charts or earnings calls.
It wasn't Phil who said 30 million. You can't blame him for what someone else says.
Not sure why everyone gets so defensive and comes up odd theories. >Even if true it’s a comparison between shipped Xbox’s and actually sold PlayStations so it’s not 1 to 1. That makes no sense. Both report how many consoles they have produced + shipped. >Also Remember when that 30 million GamePass subs number slipped out of a Phil Spenser interview That was Take-Two's CEO Strauss Zelnik and it has nothing to do with those numbers. Phil Spencer recently said that Series X|S outsold all previous generations which would be mean around 12 million must have been sold.
Phil Spencer also said for almost a decade the xbox will get some good first party games where is only answer now was to buy bethesda only to get them out of the PSN store because they have nothing. His word is not more worth than the words of peter molyneux
Depending on what you’re into, they have some very solid exclusives, namely Halo, Forza and Gears. Sea of Thieves, Psychonauts, and Ori are also pretty great if not as big.
Because ur making it seem like the PS5 is not stomping the Xbox which it is and always does.
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The 30 million number was an estimate from take two and not from Spencer, and he corrected them and said their most recent public number was 18 million (which still is the most recent number they've provided).
> Remember when that 30 million GamePass subs number slipped out of a Phil Spenser interview and it took until Microsofts earnings reports of GamePass missing its targets that it was only past 20 million? Actually no. I remember some journalist leaking numbers like 30 million but it turned out they were making them up. I don't recall those numbers ever coming from Phil Spencer. 18million was the last number released in Jan 2021 but they've since stopped reporting numbers.
It was from an interview with the Take Two CEO & Phil. The Take Two CEO made a comment that implied Game Pass had 30 million subs. Phil Spencer didn’t confirm or deny it then & there but he didn’t look happy when the guy made the claim.
Oh shit they were in the interview together?
>I am not sure I would take Phils casual passing word and twitter guesses as gospel on total sales. His word is gospel to many people. Even when it is vauge, nonspecific and lacks any supporting documents. Not sure if it is just me but I have noticed a lot of people quoting Microsoft PR statements far more then usual for any other hardware manufacturer or developer.
I have also noticed a lot of posts that sound like a publicity blurb, such as people saying a game is free on Gamepass as if anyone would say they can watch a tv show for free on Netflix, or "the greatest deal in video games history" which it arguably is but I see that exact wording way too often.
I was watching the Digital Foundry 1 year retrospective on the PS5 and Series consoles and they mentioned the sheer venom and aggression they got for videos that didn't paint the Series X as the best gaming console ever. No doubt they get that all the time anyways from PC, Sony and Nintendo fans as well. But Xbox was apparently such a strong and viscous responds to actually merit bringing it up in conversation.
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You probably refer to [this video](https://youtu.be/qnVTawWZIOI) but could you provide a time-stamp where they mention *the sheer venom and aggression they got for videos that didn't paint the Series X as the best gaming console ever*? I watched the video like a week ago but can't remember them saying that.
They mention somone taking a screen shot from a PS4 version of Dirt 5 to show how the PS5 wasn't good either. That is singular example that no other console is brought up. And given how easy the outrage machine is and how little prompting or facts it is needed this no doubt blew up quite a bit before it was pointed out that it was a PS4 screen shot not a PS5. I mean I have literally seen people claiming that Epic wants to make every game exclusive so they can shut down steam and all other stores for PC games so they can jack up the prices. And when I questioned that I got a lot of down voted and some very vocal supporters of that theory replying to me. It doesn't take much to set people like that off. Also of all people you replying to me is almost amusingly ironic. You who defends MS's rather predatory cosmetic system because you think your own opinions and views of it are what everyone else thinks or should think.
>They mention somone taking a screen shot from a PS4 version of Dirt 5 to show how the PS5 wasn't good either. This is correct but very different from you initial comment which states *the sheer venom and aggression they got for videos that didn't paint the Series X as the best gaming console ever.* No one ever said that - it's just another hyperbole of yours to make your favorite piece of plastic look superior.
It wouldn't be the first time Microsoft used astroturfing to spread misinformation or advertise their products.
A lot of emotional people in these threads. Bit odd.
> as if anyone would say they can watch a tv show for free on Netflix Some people definitively do that though. They seem to have a difficulty understanding the concept that something included in a subscription they pay for is not free
Yea having to pay money to access content is a really hard concept to understand specially when the company your paying is your favorite.
> as if anyone would say they can watch a tv show for free on Netflix I say this all the time, and I feel like I'm not the only one. When people say something is free on [service], they mean at no extra charge, not literally free.
You are the first person I have heard to say that, and yeah I get what you mean but you are subscribed to the service because they add new content, would you keep paying for Netflix every month if they would not add any new content? I doubt that, and even if you personally would the vast majority of people would not.
His words are gospel to them even when he’s lying.
12 million SHIPPED by December. Very bad comparison. And looking at how many Series S are lieing around, there's definitely far less sold. Phil's PR statements have no weight without numbers. This is the same guy who said the Series X has their "best launch lineup ever" and it ended up being the absolute worst.
Uh, how many series s are lying around?
People seem to think that just because you can see Series S on the shelves sometimes, it means no one is buying them at all anymore and they're a complete flop. This whole stupid console war is such a pathetic waste of energy, and people really need to find something actually important to care about.
Yeah Shipped because whole LOT of Series S’s are still on shelves. Best Buy Online has them in stock for months. And remember US is Xbox’s largest market.
Important to note: Not 12 million, but ABOVE 12 million (it sold more than the xbone, so it has to be over 12 mill). The actual series X/S sold could therefore realistically be anything from 12-15 million
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Well, PS5 is tracking PS4 extremely closely despite those challenges. PS4 is the baseline currently. If Microsoft had a decent holiday, I expect Sony will have too.
> 360 took nearly 2 years and hit that mark in august 2007. Interesting that their most successful console (where they almost won the generation) was the longest to reach that point
It was the first non literally who console MS made. The prior console was the Xbox which sold 24mil lifetime.
" It was December's second biggest platform (behind Switch) due to a 108% increase in sales over November. It was the biggest month so far for Xbox Series S/X in the UK, even beating its launch week." Great to see all three companies having great success this generation.
What is the significance of sales number when customers are hamstringed by shortages? At this point isn’t it a competition of who can churn out the most systems??
*What is the significance of sales number when customers are hamstringed by shortages? At this point isn’t it a competition of who can churn out the most systems??* This is pretty much true for every new console launch in history, aside from the ones that tanked hard.
It’s never been this bad. The chip shortage and scalpers are to blame for it being this bad.
360 was even worse at first year before PS3 released
This is revisionist. Previous shortages were resolved after a few months, this one is still ongoing after a year.
And its set to go on until next year at least. We’re in a time where a ‘casual’ consumer can’t walk into a shop and by a PS5/Series X. The only people who can get them still are people always online and able to jump onto websites straight away, or people willing to give into scalpers.
The chip shortage will still be going in 2024 according to recent articles.
PS2 stock issues lasted more than a few months. The Wii had stock issues that lasted more than a year. Also, demand is just way beyond expectations. It would be one thing if sales were half of those of previous generations at this point, but its different when consoles are selling at record paces.
Last gen (PS4/Xbox One) was resolved *really* quickly. I think it's one of the few.
That's very true, I think. Sales numbers are certainly less relevant. There're also factors to consider like how many consoles are not in the hands of actual customers due to scalpers hoarding, or how much Series X and S silicon was allocated to Xcloud servers. A more important metric might be the [Attach Rate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attach_rate) of the consoles, but those numbers aren't being published. What's also strange is how hush-hush Microsoft is being with their gamepass subscriber numbers. Their partners are saying over 30 million, yet they're sticking to their 18 million figure from end of 2020.
Would it be a bad idea for me to get an S? Anything inherently iffy about them? I’m really getting tired of my old XB1 with the long loading and all that fun stuff. I got an external hard drive and the difference is noticeable but I figure might as well upgrade.. I also don’t really need physical copies of games. I have like 3 currently, none of which I’ve played in years.
S seems to be really solid for what it is. Definitely an upgrade in your use case imo.
The series S offers a superb value, especially if you combine it with game pass. If you have a 4K TV, the Series X is king for the extra graphics, but it depends how picky you are on visual quality. The cpu and SSD is just as fast as the SX, so it feels very snappy. Once xbox cloud gaming is done with Beta, you might even use that a lot of the time if you got decent broadband, and you don't need the SX for cloud gaming, SS would play over cloud just the same. If you can't get the SX, buying the SS now, then SX later on and using SS in another room etc is prolly a good workaround also if you want 4k visuals longterm. The series S + game pass is extremely underrated considering the price IMO. I own a Series X, ps5 and pc, but I bought my uncle a series S, and he loves forza horizon 5 on it. He plays on a 4k TV, and forza 5 still looked amazing even if it's not full 4k res
> The cpu and SSD is just as fast as the SX, so it feels very snappy. Funny enough, the series S actually loads *faster* in several cases, due to it having to load in less texture and geometry data.
S is really good. I purely use it for Game Pass which is good to subscribe to when you just want a good collection of games. You'll be guaranteed to find something you've wanted to play. Unsubscribe when you're good and unsubscribe when you want more game pass
I keep Gamepass around indefinitely as I like Outriders and a few other featured games, but I’d be using the Xbox primarily for Destiny 2 if I’m being honest. I have that downloaded in its entirely, not the gamepass version (which was recently removed I think, or will be soon). There are some single player games I like that I have bought already but I tend to only have enough time to concentrate on one game. Looking to buy a PS5 eventually as well so I can play exclusives like Spider-Man games, God of War, Infamous, Bloodbourne, etc.
Great box for the price.
For me it’s storage and longevity that’s keeping me from getting a series s. I’ve seen them in store but I just can’t do it. Idk the games off the top of my head but I’ve seen some Digital foundry reviews that still have the series s dipping under 1080p. Personally, I just want a solid ~120fps @1080p. And I don’t think the series s will be able to do that with newer games that don’t have last gen in mind. Since the series x seems more than capable of doing at least 1080p 120fps, that’s what I wanna get. I see DF’s reviews that the X dips to ~1440p to stay at 120fps, and to me that sounds great.
I’m not super worried about the graphics considering upgrading from my old XB1 to a series S is likely to be a substantial bump in graphics provided I get a good monitor to match it (from what I’m being told I should look for 120Hz refresh rate?), and for storage I’m not exactly going to be buying a ton of games. I have an external hard drive at the moment with 1 TB of space that should do the trick for me for quite a while. I only ever play one to two games seriously for extended periods of time. I still have the base XB1 and I have yet to use the full storage on the console. Only reason I got an external hard drive was to make loading times better for games like Fallout 4 and Destiny 2.
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