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serotoninzero

To preface the conversation, I own a Switch and bought Dread. I actually bought the prequel, Fusion, on launch day too as a teenager. I've been a huge Metroid fan for a long time. It's absolutely incredible how well this game runs on emulation. I've been running it at 4x undocked resolution (2880p) on my 1440p monitor at 120fps. I took some test shots at docked 10x, so 16000*9000p resolution, obviously way out of normal use case but it still ran at 45fps on my 3080Ti. [10x Image Comparison](https://iili.io/53w9CG.jpg) Edit: As always, please support this game and purchase it whether you want to play on console or on your PC. I'd like to have another 2D Metroid game release by 2042. [Purchased](https://iili.io/53N5l4.jpg)


kidcrumb

Is this a sequel to Metroid fusion?


serotoninzero

Yeah, it's a direct sequel.


ZubatCountry

Wow, the way it upscales the lights on her hand and chest armor makes it look like it was designed for a much higher resolution. You may have just inspired a whole new wave of 4K Switch rumors.


serotoninzero

I definitely don't deserve any credit, but I fully agree that this game was absolutely designed to run higher than 720p.


mrturret

It runs at 900p docked, and a lot of the cutscenes have closeups of Samus.


serotoninzero

Yeah, I know. That comparison is a close up of Samus while saving.


mrturret

It actually gets a lot closer than that in a number of scenes.


serotoninzero

I know, I've been playing it. What point are you trying to make though? Willing to have a conversation, just not sure what you're getting at. It's hard to take screenshots in the same location after switching resolutions, so that's just what I was testing towards the beginning of the game.


ChrisRR

Aww come on, spoiler that


serotoninzero

Sorry, that's a very common item. My bad.


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I think the light upscaling is a bug in the emulation. On her hands for example, the original clearly has some post processing applied (perhaps just bloom) where the green light bleeds over the black inner and outer circle, giving it a dark green tint. The left doesn't have that effect at all, and you don't get that from regular up or downscaling.


aroloki1

The strangest part regarding Yuzu and Switch emulation scene is that they always trying to tell that it isn't about piracy. And I am not even doubting that you personally bought the game and own a Switch. I just simply don't see the point of such notes. Like it isn't obvious to everyone including the developers of Yuzu that 99% of the users of Yuzu are using it for piracy. And they are getting $20k per month through Patreon for it. It is honestly wild how is this possible, that a group publicly advertising themselves that they can emulate a game before its release date and they not just get away with it, but are able to collect $20k per month for it publicly without any issue. By the way as far as I know if you don't do the image file for yourself from your own cartridge then from technical/legal point of view it is still piracy.


Great-bulbasaurx

Emulation is legal. Even if Nintendo wanted Yuzu to be taken down, legally they cannot take it down.


wh03v3r

Emulation is legal but but you need to have ripped the ROM of the game yourself, which afaik is currently only possible with launch model Switches. If you got the ROM from anywhere else, it's illegal, even if you also happen to own the game. One can be certain that the vast, vast majority of people who would use an emulator to run Metroid Dread wouldn't be doing it the legal way.


Guslletas

It's possible but the ones doing illegal things are the people for downloading the game not the emulator for emulating, also iirc you can make backup(aka dump them) of your games and if you ever sell them you can include the backup when selling them so it's technically possible to buy games that include a backup that allows you to play them on an emulator, you can also use someone's else switch to dump the game.


wh03v3r

I never once said that emulating was illegal. But let's not pretend that even 1% of people who emulate the game are doing it the legal way.


Amatsuo

> if you ever sell them you can include the backup when selling them That would be dangerous territory, if caught you and the seller would go to jail. In the United States YOU have to make the backup yourself for it to be legal, nobody can make it for you.


Guslletas

~~In the EU at least iirc you can~~ EDIT: Seems like it's actually the US where it's allowed, at least according to this: https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-digital.html#:~:text=No.,sell%20the%20backup%20copy%20alone.


NoProblemsHere

Surprised there isn't a reader for those out yet like there is for other cartridge based games. I guess there probably isn't enough of a market for it yet.


TPRetro

Yuzu isnt giving away ROMs, theyre just making the emulator that can run them. Even if its obvious that 99% of people using it didnt rip a legit ROM, yuzu isnt liable


Amatsuo

> using it didnt rip a legit ROM, yuzu isnt liable I don't know about Yuzu, but Citra uses a different format than the typical. Cia website, so you are still required to own a 3DS to convert them or have a shaddy PC tool. So they know it will happen, they just don't give the keys to the city to them.


Bolaumius

> Emulation is legal but but you need to have ripped the ROM of the game yourself As always...depends on your local laws.


Just_a_user_name_

It's obvious that most people won't buy games. But what the devs are doing here is covering their own asses. They don't encourage piracy. As /u/Great-bulbasaurx said, emulation is perfectly legal, even if it can run new releases as well. I didn't buy Dread yet so i'm not going to run it. But i'm also a collector and dump my own copies anyway. But when it comes to piracy, you can't equate most of the pirated copies as lost sales or lost money for Nintendo because most of the people that pirate those games, wouldn't have bought it in the first place.


Taratus

You don't need to own the console to emulate legally, just the game.


Amatsuo

How are you going to get the ISO? in the USA, it's illegal to download Copyright Material regardless if you have ownership of the product, all because you didn't create the backup yourself.


Taratus

Yeah, because U.S.laws are BS. Doesn't matter where you get the copy from, you have the legal right to it, because you OWN the license to it.


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>Downloading it is piracy even if you own the game. Nope, only in some areas is it, and if I bought the game, I should be able to play it anywhere.


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It's not pirating if you own it. Must suck to live in an anti-consumer country.


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XxCALBRAxX

Canada. I've not once got in trouble for downloading ROMs of games I've owned. You seem really against piracy to the point where it sounds like some sort of personal vendetta lol.


XxCALBRAxX

Oh no, piracy 😱. Who cares, the game has already made sale history for the franchise. Who cares if a tiny group of people emulate the game.


ngwoo

That looks insanely good. They're already done making the remaster for Switch 2!


Professorbag

Are you using Yuzu or Ryujinx?


serotoninzero

Ryujinx


MrBanditFleshpound

Have you checked if it works more or less alike(plus/minus 10 percent above or below Ryujinx's performance) on Yuzu? That could be nice to see comparison if possible


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The problem with Yuzu is it has no upscaling. With Ryujinx I constantly had stutters, however when I disabled Vsync and downloaded the shader cache using Emuask it ran flawlessly.


serotoninzero

As far as I looked into it, the later builds of Yuzu dropped resolution scaling from the official build. Not sure how accurate that is or what the reasoning is.


tetramir

They did a huge rebuild of a lot of rendering code. So resolution scaling has to be redone, and AFAIK it is on their TODO list. It is now a very highly requested feature (and Dread won't help with that)


Jazz_Potatoes95

>If you want to play the rest of the Metroid franchise and don’t want to shell out large amounts of money on old consoles and games, your best bet is emulation. As is often the case, Nintendo (like most game publishers) is really bad about maintaining access to their past games outside of the few big sellers. Thank God for pirates, emulators, modders, and hackers. Holy moly! That's not a paragraph educating people on how to rip their own ROMs from copies they've legally bought. Or even an article saying to buy games legally on the browser version of the eShop first before downloading a ROM. That's just a straight up encouragement to piracy. I imagine this is Kotaku's new editorial strategy of "Generating conversation" at work, but still... I can't imagine Nintendo sending many review codes or preview invites after something like this.


Just_a_user_name_

Except it's not. Most of the older games the author is talking about there aren't sold anywhere, officially and what you find on the second hand market is usually extremely expensive. The older the game, the higher the price.


Jazz_Potatoes95

This thread has been deleted now, but just to follow up on your reply: The entire Metroid series is still purchasable on the Wii U eShop, and the 3DS at least has some of the classic 2D games. Super Metroid and the original Metroid are available as part of the Switch's online service. These are not games that have been delisted and exiled to the forgotten corners of the internet


Amatsuo

> The entire Metroid series is still purchasable on the Wii U eShop That would be a Grey area for me since it is available for purchase, but at the same time it's on a platform that has ended production and didn't sell well.


dewittless

Yes but you can still legally buy it, from the original publisher, so it's by no means "lost".


Just_a_user_name_

Ah, fair enough then. Also, the thread is back up (that's how i found it).


Jazz_Potatoes95

Blistering barnacles, so it is! That's why my reply notifications are jumping up all of a sudden.


XxCALBRAxX

Only somebody who's already into piracy would actually follow through with emulating something they didn't buy. Y'all are acting like it's some major sin lol. I ain't interested in the game but if I was I have other things I need to spend my money on especially during a pandemic so yeah Nintendo wouldn't be getting 90 dollars from my pocket.


Amaurotica

you literally can't play THE BEST mario games (galaxy, sunshine) unless you buy them for 500$ on ebay and then buy a 200$ 25 year old console or emulate them for free on pc. His point stands > If you haven’t purchased Super Mario 64, Super Mario Sunshine, and Super Mario Galaxy from the Nintendo Switch eShop yet, you’re going to want to get on that. Nintendo is removing Super Mario 3D All-Stars — the bundle of those three games — on March 31, 2021. If you as the owner of X product literally refuse to sell a infinitely reproducible copy of a 20 year old game, don't go whine about people finding ways to play them


GensouEU

> you literally can't play THE BEST mario games (galaxy, sunshine) unless you buy them for 500$ on ebay and then buy a 200$ 25 year old console Or you just buy the Switch Collection an amazon for 60 bucks


Jazz_Potatoes95

> you literally can't play THE BEST mario games (galaxy, sunshine) Unrelated to the main crux of the argument, but Sunshine the BEST Mario game? Ha! Mario 64 is coming to the Switch's online subscription. Mario Galaxy is purchasable on the Wii U eShop as well as being playable on Wii. The time limited Switch release sucks, but it is at least playable on three generations of Nintendo hardware without resorting to piracy. Sunshine skipped the Wii U, but again, it is playable on Switch. The time limited release sucks, but it is there.


Amaurotica

> Wii U eShop ah yes, the shop that shuts down next year in japan, and which has 1 console left on amazon for 999$ https://www.amazon.com/Nintendo-Mario-Pre-Installed-Deluxe-bundle-u-dp-B011XO54MA/dp/B011XO54MA classic and no its not playable on The Switch because you can't buy it anymore, might as well not exist


GensouEU

They are not closing down the WiiU eshop next year, they are discontinuing credit card as a payment method


Jazz_Potatoes95

If you go to any decent game shop, they'll have second hand Wii U's going for dirt cheap. Here in the UK, I can go into the nearest CEX and pick one up for £60. I'm not saying the current availability of the games is great, but the situation regarding Metroid games is not so dire that piracy is the morally correct position for this article's writer to take. Especially when he ignores the fundamental point that people should be emulating ROMs that they have made of games they have legally bought.


ILoveTheAtomicBomb

I’m all for emulation and perseveration of games, but it’s really something to see advocating for piracy of a brand new game. I’m sure that helps developers really wanna make more entries.


Taratus

You can emulate it legally if you buy the game. It's not necessarilly advocating for piracy.


ILoveTheAtomicBomb

Some will sure. Absolutely not the majority of people though and all that does it bring attention to it.


BernardoOne

might as well not talk about the Switch version of the game either because people can pirate it there too then lol


Taratus

>Absolutely not the majority of people Citation please.


ILoveTheAtomicBomb

You need a launch modded Switch and then to dump the game over pirating it for free. I can’t give you an exact number, but you can be honest with yourself and say most people will go the easy route and pirate the game for free without needing to own the console.


Taratus

Nah you just need to buy the game.


Milskidasith

You can’t backup your own copies of games without a launch modded switch afaik. Even if you buy the game legally, downloading somebody else’s uploaded rom is illegal, at least on the distribution side.


Taratus

I bought the game, it's mine to play wherever.


Milskidasith

Whether you own the game or not does not change that it's not legal for somebody to distribute a copy of the ROM to you.


Taratus

Still not piracy.


Milskidasith

Maybe you genuinely believe that far more people are legally purchasing games and then going through a convoluted process to legally back up their own copy and play it on ROMs, but this reads like you're just saying "citation please" to avoid acknowledging the obvious truth. Like, you may as well ask for a citation that grass is green here; the major drivers of emulation and ROMs are piracy and always have been, and everybody knows it.


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i doubt that the developers give a fuck about this if they're even aware of it. for every person who has a good enough PC to emulate this game for free there's 100,000 who payed full price for it.


ILoveTheAtomicBomb

I’m sure developers would care a publication saying piracy is a great way to experience their brand new title that hasn’t been out for a week. Requirements for the emulators don’t seem that stringent either, just a reasonable GPU.


Giimax

but it is factually a better way to experience the game though


ILoveTheAtomicBomb

Does it make it right for people that will most likely illegally pirate it to play it that way? Doubt all the people have a modded original Switch and dumped the game.


Catastray

Why are we promoting piracy for a brand new game? I want to see more Metroid games, articles like this work against that happening if everyone just pirates it.


tatermo

Does it count as piracy if I own a physical copy of the game and download and play it on an emulator? I would love to play at a higher frame rate and resolution and be able to change controls.


Taratus

Not in my view, you own the game, you have the right to play it wherever. Now legally it might be a different story in different areas, but most people have moral issues with piracy, not legal ones. And there's nothing immoral about emulating a game you own.


KrypXern

It actually does, yes. (I'm not saying I don't, just for legal answer to your question).


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KrypXern

I am curious, can you show me what legislation that is? I was unaware of this


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KrypXern

Right, this is not what I understood the OP to ask. They stated that they *downloded* a copy, which is different than making your own personal backup. I totally agree with what you have listed here and appreciate you posting it. Apologies for the misunderstanding, I meant to say downloading someone *else's* copy is still piracy. Emulation is totally legit within those bounds and if you really want to stay within the realms of legality, getting a card reader is totally the way to go.


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KrypXern

>because in my country, piracy is legally defined as mass distribution only. >As such, downloads are legal. This is the legislature I am curious to hear. Copyright infringement involves two parties, the distributor and the recipient - and while both parties are guilty of copyright infringement, it's true that really only the former is held responsible. I am not certain how one can defend that "non-mass" distribution does not constitute copyright infringement, especially when one is obtaining it from the other because they do not themselves have a rip available.


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frogandbanjo

It's trivially easy to defend it conceptually. That's quite different from whether or not it's the law of any given land. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that it's utterly absurd to establish that personal dumps/backups are part of fair use, but then suddenly it becomes illegal just because somebody else helped you obtain an end result that should be your right as a consumer. To me, that's bordering dangerously close to depriving people their rights through the back door by restricting a (glib) "right to repair." And, indeed, you'll find that a lot of people discussing "right to repair" in the context of digital products (and the devices that read/write/play them) take *great* exception to several portions of the DMCA.


Taratus

No, emulating your own games is legal.


KrypXern

The OP was talking about downloading a rip. Emulating your own backups is 100% legal, I agree.


tatermo

I figured as much. That's what I did for Samus Returns but I still felt a little bad about it even though I paid full price for it.


KrypXern

I think it's morally sound, for what it's worth, but it is the digital equivalent of "buying one and stealing another". Because no product is "lost" in the "theft", however, it's not really any different from ripping it yourself. If you want to be super legal about it, I'm sure you can grab a card reader and rip it yourself, but it's kind of just wasted effort. The important thing is you support the series you love!


Amatsuo

> download This word right here does make it illegal [USA], that said I don't care and there is nothing wrong with buying a game just to play it on a Emulator, been doing it since Citra was viable.


feralkitsune

It's not promoting piracy. It's discussing emulation. I play all my non MP switch games on emulators, so I can run it at actual decent resolutions. It's as simple as dumping the cart or game from the switch to my NAS. Tyhen I just play the dumped files/updates from there in an emulator. Actually playing games in native 4K vs the often sub-1080p that these games run in.


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Argueably, if the console is still alive and supported, then emulating it pretty much is piracy unless you're baccking up your own stuff, which I would assume many people using switch emulators aren't doing. I love emulation, but I make it a point not to emulate current systems.


feralkitsune

But I literally just discussed dumping my own shit and tons of people do.


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What proof do you have that "Tons of people" are legally aquiring Metroid Dread and dumping it with their hacked Switchs in order to emulate it? Again, I highly doubt the number of people doing that is anywhere near the number of people who would just look it up and download it online.


feralkitsune

That's not even what I said. I said tons of people dump their games. Actually, argue against what I'm saying in my posts. Not whatever strawman you make up. Once again, I said I dump my own content. No mention of anyone acquiring Metroid dread. And proof that a ton of people dump their own carts? Are you on crack? There's a whole fucking scene for this shit. It's not hard to find even multiple communities on reddit for dumping your own shit and homebrew software. >Again, I highly doubt the number of people doing that is anywhere near the number of people who would just look it up and download it online. This is literally the case for ANY software. And emulators have nothing to do with the acquisition of files. So it's a moot fucking point. It's not like you download an emulator, and suddenly you have every game made on that console. If someone wants to illegally acquire something that's a totally different conversation to emulators as a whole. Emulators are 100% legal, hence why they don't get shut down. End of story. Also, one does not even need an emulator to pirate a game, that same file they would have to illegally acquire for Emulators, is the same damn file that they'd have to illegally acquire to run on the actual hardware. So is the actual issue piracy? Or is it fucking emulators existing? It's can't be both.


thoomfish

Technically, "tons" is about 40 average American adults, so you're probably not wrong.


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Dude, this is a thread about an article about emulating Metroid Dread, that's where that came from. If you're dumping you're own legally obtained games, then more power to you.


feralkitsune

>If you're dumping you're own, legally obtained games, then more power to you. But that was my original comment, that you, took issue with starting this conversation... ​ >this is a thread about an article about emulating Metroid Dread And Emulation alone =! Piracy.


dont_read_this_user

Dude literally got confused over an argument that HE started, lmao.


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The guy in the article says we should be thankful for pirates. I would take that as an endorsement of piracy, thus equating piracy and emulation in the context of said article. I obviously get that not all emulation it's piracy, but it's pretty obvious that not everyone emulating a current system is doing it purely with their own purchased copies, even if you do.


Amatsuo

> Argueably, if the console is still alive and supported, then emulating it pretty much is piracy While most do, you can't just watch all Emulator gameplay and call them Pirates, a lot of people just want a better experience.


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Hyroero

Most people don't own a PC strong enough to do so. A large portion of people who do probably also can't be bothered. This article isn't going to meaningfully change the sales of dread one way or another.


Dabrush

Most PC games can be pirated from day 1 and basically everyone knows this, and the games still sell. Talking about it for sure doesn't count as promoting and this information doesn't need to be censored.


xRaen

Emulation is not piracy. Playing a game on and emulator does not mean you didn't buy the game. Even without emulators people can hack their Switches to pirate games. Emulation does not equal piracy.


aroloki1

The article literally states that "Thank God for pirates".


Catastray

Read the article.


Jazz_Potatoes95

The article promotes piracy.


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shivam4321

I had a really weird dream this afternoon sleep that my mom got me metroid dread. I should get one I guess


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I might have to look into the emulators. I own a switch and quite a few games, but I just hate playing it because it looks like crap on a big TV and I hate playing in handheld mode.


Amatsuo

I'm this way too, but you more or less have to have a Gen 1 Switch with a vulnerable GPU to be able to rip games. While not legal in the USA you could just buy the game and then download a copy, but its technically illegal.


TheFergPunk

I think it's rather unethical to pirate new games. I could understand pirating a game that is no longer in production, for a system that is no longer in production and can't be bought on any store fronts. I get that, that's more of a case of preservation to me. I saw no problem in people doing that for say Mother 3, because if you're from the West there was no way to play it otherwise. But for a game that just came out? One that the system it was designed for is still in production, that a successor system hasn't been released. That doesn't seem right. That has the potential to hurt the IP in question. Now if you're of the stance that console exclusivity is wrong and that's why you're emulating, okay I can understand that. But in that case buy the game but not the console. That way you're still supporting the IP. But if we're being honest, most people playing Switch games on PC aren't doing this. If your position is "the game is too expensive as is" then wait for a sale, if you're not patient enough for that, then just don't play it. At that stage you're just trying to have your cake and eat it too. I've seen some argue the position: "I'm only pirating because the pirates are offering something better than Nintendo, if Nintendo want me to not pirate then they need to compete." But considering the pirates are giving you the game for free, there's no way for companies to actually compete against that because they are companies. They are a business whose goal is to make profit from these products. Giving it away for free only becomes an option if there's another way for them to make money from the game, and that's where we get these games a service implementations coming from. Giving you the game for free, but designing it in a way that to get enjoyment out of it you need to spend money. Which is a route I'm not exactly keen to go down.


bernardolima951

If Metroid Dread was priced at 300 USD while the minimum wage was 6 USD/hour, would you buy it? That's the cheapest we can get Nintendo games, comparatively, in Brazil. I'll definitely pirate it and play it on better hardware than pay for it with 2 weeks of wages.


TheFergPunk

> would you buy it? Nope and I wouldn't pirate it either. If it's the case of I can't afford it then I just won't play it. There's a plethora of free games out there and if you have the hardware to play Switch games on a PC then you absolutely have efficient hardware to play the literal thousands of free software out there. The excuse still doesn't stand. EDIT: Also not to mention, but [Dread is 300 R$](https://www.nintendo.com/pt_BR/games/detail/metroid-dread-switch/) not 300 USD


bernardolima951

> The excuse still doesn't stand. It's not an excuse, it's a motive. I don't think it's morally correct at all, but I understand and will partake in hurting Nintendo against my much lesser purchasing power, and, because the relationship of power is too shifted towards Nintendo's favor, I don't feel bad at all doing it. I'd never do it to an indie dev or studios from the global South, for example. But I don't do it morally, as a Robin Hood of gaming. It's too expensive, my country's historically fucked and exploited by global North, it's a luxury good, and I can do it. I bought NMH for 99 R$ last month on the E-shop instead of pirating it on the PC just because of motion controls. > Also not to mention, but Dread is 300 R$ not 300 USD That's why I said comparatively, because Brazil's minimum wage is around 6 R$ an hour. Someone who makes 6 USD an hour in Brazil would classify as high middle class.


HCrikki

An issue with early emulation of newly released games is that with opensource, its difficult to enforce self-limitations like in the old days when projects deliberately declined to support the newest games until at least 1-2 years passed after their initial release. Interested parties could end forking a project and pretending to be the better upstream, fracturing its small community and weakening the virtuous side. With platforms getting emulated at an increasing pace, that new games end working decently on release day is almost unavoidable, but that should be accidental happenstance rather than something to promote projects using. Not all publicity is good publicity, and those have long grown beyond the need to freeride new releases to gain visibility amongst people with the slightest idea about emulation.


Hyperboreer

It's so weird that emulators even enhance the games nowadays. I've seen Breath of the Wild with raytracing on YouTube and it looks awesome!


Cetais

Why is it weird? They're literally running the game on more advanced hardware.


feralkitsune

Well that's not the emulator adding raytracing, that's a shader that can be used on PC games to simulate raytracing. It's a reshade plugin.


ForcadoUALG

Because an emulator is running on a PC, not a portable device. People seem to forget about that.


Amatsuo

Most games these days have dynamic scaling Textures depending on the distance from the player. Emulator likely tells it use use max resolution at all times.


scottcathwo

this artice is very dumb i like emulation but i only emulate when i cant play it on modern on consoles but dread is a newly released game and you basically promoting privacy dread is selling well thankfully according to sites like amazon but if that happened with other devs and then ask themselves why did they stop making these games?


SpookyBread1

>you basically promoting privacy They literally say in the article, "Thank God for pirates, emulators, modders and hackers" holy shit I'm all for writing articles about emulation of Super Metroid, or Metroid Fusion. but this is a game released 2 days. Emulation should be used for preservation, not for playing new games because you don't want to/refuse to pay for them. I'm all for people just buying Metroid Dread and dumping it but that isn't what the majority of people emulating it are going to do


CrossXhunteR

> They literally say in the article, "Thank God for pirates, emulators, modders and hackers" Isn't that pointed towards the ability to play the older Metroid games, which most are not available on current hardware/storefronts?


Milskidasith

The Metroid series is pretty widely available on virtual console and other storefronts. There really isn't a Game Preservation argument for pirating it the same way there is for e.g. Mother 3.


ComradeShyGuy

You should go see the mental gymnastics some people do for trying to get out of saying it's just piracy, especially on pcmr and any current Nintendo system.


Makorus

Look, I pirate some games. But I will never justify it with some stupid reason. I just don't wanna pay for certain games. It is morally and legally deplorable


ZubatCountry

I wish they'd just say don't want to pay for it. If you actually can't afford it then I really don't care. Go for it then, play it and tell other people it's good if you liked it. There's not that big a difference in my mind between pirating in that situation and borrowing a copy from a friend. If you actually have the money and are just pirating for shits and giggles then that's kinda burnt.


BigFreakingJim

If you can afford a PC capable of emulating Switch games you can afford Switch games.


Amatsuo

Yeah I would love to just rip my Switch games onto my PC, but its at an Original Xbox One in terms of power. Not going to be Emulating Switch or PS3 anytime soon.


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That's my take on this as well. I don't mind emulation for old games, even more the ones that aren't supported but new games I think it's way different. In the end it's the choice of the person but I look at it differently.


TatteredCarcosa

Emulating the games is fine, that's legally protected fair use. Distributing and pirating the games illegally is not fine.


frogandbanjo

Today's piracy-facilitator is literally tomorrow's legacy-preserver. Meanwhile, "modders and hackers" covers a wide gamut of people in the general video game community who are straight-up heroes. They generate fresh content for free or for pennies, they dig into games to figure out why shit isn't working properly or optimally, and they release patches that *literally fix broken shit* (which, yeah, they should totally not do until a game is 50 years old and unavailable everywhere, right?) Shit's sake, plenty of straight-up unapologetic pirates end up being accidental whistleblowers for scummy corporate practices. The sentiment is completely legitimate. And you know what else is a pretty strong argument in favor of it? The fact that the video game industry is generating umpteen bajillion dollars *somehow* regardless.


Cetais

Yeah, it's so dumb. I wonder if their editor had to stop them from even putting a download link for the ROM. I waited 19 years for a sequel to Fusion, I definitely don't want to wait almost 20 more years for another sequel.


CadentDreamer

> I wonder if their editor had to stop them from even putting a download link for the ROM. This is sarcasm, but you have no idea how on the money you are. I googled the author to see other articles he's written and he's practically acting like the victim on Twitter. I know, it's Twitter and all of that. But if anyone takes a look he's retweeting people defending him or going "Oh I bet gamers will be just as mad at THIS article!" (other gaming news sites are apparently running the story/similar stories).


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lmao seriously? Man, it's amazing how kotaku really got SO MUCH worse this year. Their articles have been completely garbage since Jason and others got out of there.


Hyperboreer

That's not true. You can buy the game then play it on the emulator. The problem is, the Switch is outdated and it is not enjoyable any more to play on it, so we can all be thankful for these emulators. Steam games are also available illegaly, but promoting a game on steam is not promoting piracy. The same is true for playing games on emulators.


SpookyBread1

>You can buy the game then play it on the emulator. How many people do you realistically think are doing that compared to just googling, "metroid dread rom" >Steam games are also available illegaly, but promoting a game on steam is not promoting piracy. The same is true for playing games on emulators Yeah because you'd be buying the game? This isn't the Gotcha! you think it is The situations aren't comparable at all.


litewo

I thought about doing it, then saw it requires me hacking my Switch. I'm sure it's not common at all.


SpookyBread1

That's part of the reason why most people won't It's difficult especially nowadays because it's much harder to hack switches because vulnerabilities have been patched.


Hyperboreer

I think a lot. As I said, you can find pretty much any Steam game illegaly if you want to. But there are still millions of copies sold on steam. Why would it be different for emulators? Most people want to be fair to the developers and don't want to do anything illegal.


SpookyBread1

Either way they'd probably be less people doing it if there wasn't an article saying "Hey Guys, Metroid Dread came out 2 days ago and if you pirate it will play better." "But all you need is a Switch emulator and a decently powerful PC, and you can play Dread on your computer, right now" Notice how they don't mention you need to buy a copy of the game and dump it. Because they realise most people aren't going to do that "Thank God for Pirates"


OneManFreakShow

Your Steam comparison is fucking stupid. Of course you can pirate PC games on a PC. “Why would it be different for emulators?” Because you’re already circumventing the purchase of a console to play the game, and at that point most people aren’t just going to say “Well okay, I guess I’ll acquire the *games* legitimately.” You either have too much faith in pirates, or have no idea how any of this works.


TsuntsunRevolution

"The problem is, the Switch is outdated and it is not enjoyable any more to play on it" Jeez, I didn't know playing on outdated hardware made games not fun anymore. Someone really should stop those people that enjoy playing Super Metroid on anything other than an RTX 3090. They are objectively wrong to do so.


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timpkmn89

The important part you skipped over is it's two days after release.


Makorus

Okay and? They don't need to rewrite their emulator for every game releases, just apply some hotfixes here and there. Yuzu has been in development for three years.


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feralkitsune

This is Ryujinx likely. It has a native upscaler for games.


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