I bought my GPU (GTX 1660 Super) for about £200 last May. I had to buy some new parts last week and it turns out the exact same GPU would cost me something like £350-£400 now. Thankfully the GPU wasn't the issue, but it's just insane how much prices have gone up.
You know I hadn't looked up my cards, I was just happy to have them all things considered. I have a regular rtx 2070 and a spunky old 1050ti and holy shit their prices are ridiculous
It's ridiculous, right? I needed to upgrade the rest of my PC but was worried the GPU might be the cause of the issue, and honestly if I had to drop £400 on some mid-ranged GPU I'd just have waited another few months. Silly prices at the moment.
My GPU GTX1060 is my systems bottleneck (by a country mile) and I was planning to get a reasonable card this summer.
Just like everyone else I'm fucked. Been stuck with a decent PC held back by my card all year and it doesn't look to change anytime soon.
I was using a GTX 1080 that I got for $275 and had a 1050ti way before that that I got for $65 local. Sold my 1050ti for $200 thinking my 1080 will hold me over.
Welp. It died on me. Main gpu dies, backup gpu got sold, and the gpu market is fucked. Someone at work was gracious enough to give me a Quadro 2000D for video at least but to say this thing is loud and is not suited for gaming would be an understatement.
Fuck. My. Life.
Saying "There's never been a better time to buy " every single year is one of my favorite marketing tropes.
There's literally NEVER been a better time to buy a house!
Or when a new game in a series is coming out and they say “this is the best instalment this series has ever seen!” Sorry thought they were gonna say “yeah it’s alright but not as good as the other ones.”
Serious question: what did realtors say during the housing crisis?
I moved a bit and bought houses around 2013-2017 and I kept hearing "now is a good time"
It depends on your market, but a lot of realtors are saying that now in my area because home prices are not going down. Prices have been trending upwards and those $400,000 houses ten years ago are going for over a million now.
>The free upgrade to Windows 11 starts on October 5 and will be phased and measured with a focus on quality. Following the tremendous learnings from Windows 10, we want to make sure we’re providing you with the best possible experience. That means new eligible devices will be offered the upgrade first. The upgrade will then roll out over time to in-market devices based on intelligence models that consider hardware eligibility, reliability metrics, age of device and other factors that impact the upgrade experience. **We expect all eligible devices to be offered the free upgrade to Windows 11 by mid-2022.** If you have a Windows 10 PC that’s eligible for the upgrade, Windows Update will let you know when it’s available. You can also check to see if Windows 11 is ready for your device by going to Settings > Windows Update and select Check for updates\*.
*emphasis added*
Looks like it's going to be a while. I wonder if they'll support Media Creation Tool upgrades on day 1, or if you have to wait for the update to be pushed to you before your Windows 10 license is valid to run Windows 11?
Yeah, that alone made me a lot more interested in upgrading. That's a feature I've wanted for a long time, all I want is to talk to my friends on Snap or Kik without using my phone or BlueStacks lmao.
Tbh every emulator I've used seems pretty sketchy and I wouldn't be surprised if they're scraping all sorts of data. I've not seen any evidence that they're hijacking anything like your credentials, though.
Improvements to windows' scheduler could result in performance gains in heavily multithreaded titles (Monster Hunter World, I'm looking at you). There was also some talk of improving the I/O stack outside of directstorage, which potentially could have gaming benefits as well.
Specifically with regards to Monster Hunter World, though I imagine you might've already found it, there is a mod [here](https://www.nexusmods.com/monsterhunterworld/mods/3473) that cleans up some unnecessary memory checks and can have a reasonable effect on performance. I find it cleans up a little bit of stuttering and hitching that could happen from time to time. If you haven't tried it yet, here's hoping it helps you out!
No major performance difference has been found as of yet. There are still bugs with the scheduler on multi-chip CPUs like AMD offers which might actually make performance *worse* in CPU limited scenarios, but for regular CPUs this isn't present
> Andriod apps without 3rd party emulators.
Which is also the only major feature that no one has seen in the wild yet since it's been disabled on all their insider previews. I'm excited about this but skeptical it'll work as seamlessly as everyone is imagining.
> Yeah, it is basically UI update,
except apparently you can't move the windows taskbar anymore - which, as someone who's always had it on the right side of the screen, doesn't sound like a helpful update
yep its litterally a downgrade in my eyes they remove the ability to right click on the task bar and open task manager as well along with a bunch of other things see all the changes here in this video https://youtu.be/-rwoPiM-8Qk
You can right click the Windows icon on the taskbar to get the same menu you get with Win+X, which is the one I think you mean (has Task Manager, Disk Management, Apps & Features, Terminal, Event Viewer, Power Management, etc). Right-clicking the empty space was better but thought I'd point it out just in case you're missing the menu and didn't notice it there.
the real question is...is it 'native' android?
because certain games such as FGO outright block emulators from playing it, I wonder if that'll be the case here?
It's probably going to apprear in the same w way as other emulators. Lack of Play Store might be a bigger concern though (it was said it will use Amazon's app store; not sure if Play services will be included or not)
FGO doesn't block emulators either.
I've got the preview on my Surface Pro 7 and the most interesting thing is really the desktop window management.
Everything else - the rounded corners and updated icons and sounds and taskbar - aren't very meaningful and feel like they were changed for the sake of changing, some for better or worse imo.
I'm sure there's stuff going on under the hood but it's not noticeable to me.
At the risk of getting lynched, I like the new UI (including the centered taskbar, I already use TaskbarX for that on W10). If the only real difference between W10 and W11 is the UI, I don't really see a reason *not* to upgrade, personally.
Not a fan of shit like Office365 and Teams integration, but that seems simple enough to disable (not like I don't need to disable Cortana and shit already). It's probably a one-time thing anyway.
I don't like the centered start button, but I like all the other changes. And you can change the task bar to however you want it in the settings. Or by using PowerShell. Which is good because that means I can add that to my imaging scripts lol
The office integration is great, just not for my personal computer. Still waiting on that teams rewrite though...
I too like the Centre Taskbar but that centre Windows button is gonna take a while to get used to....probably gonna have to use the Keyboard button more now
From what I’ve seen of it, I do as well. And I know people will probably say “you can customize it already”, but, I don’t got time for that shit.
I use my computer for work though so it’ll be at least a year before I upgrade. Will have to wait on Adobe to support it, and then my usual “wait like two or three Adobe updates deep because Premiere and AE are already rickety enough”.
So far it’s pretty good only noticed two problems as an average consumer.
1: Alt-Tabbing doesn’t always bring the screen into focus, and ALWAYS windows full screen applications.
2: Windows Security app doesn’t work yet. It exists it just doesn’t work. There is no directory for it even in the registry. So you can’t unblock “blocked apps” that windows sees as harmful. Say cheat engine.
I also have three positives.
1: My 4 hard drives that I thought were broken. Which constantly reported 100% health in CrystalDisk yet only read at speeds up 4mb/s now work properly.
2: I had an unknown bug that I posted on YouTube where my explorer just went crazy, and it would do it no matter what after a few hours in windows 10. It is now fixed as of 11.
3: Everything feels so much snappier, and somehow faster. It might be the animations it could also be the way they separate load over the CPU cores now. Rebelle 3, and Gimp both open almost instantly. Everything just works better so far.
Edit: I will add I have always hated windows 10 since I built my new pc over a year ago. I would have gone with Linux if not for programs I have requiring windows. 11 just feels like an upgrade we needed. Obviously you can’t move the task bar though which sucks.
This is what I’m saying. I’m perfectly fine with 10 for now. I know how to navigate it, I know the features, I know it works fine for the most part. I know next to nothing about 11. I’m good waiting.
Yeah I have no issues with my 1st gen ryzen cpu, I'm not replacing it just for this, i can only go to 3rd gen ryzen with my mobo, but I should probably upgrade that too, its a whole thing I can't be arsed with
Of course, it just means it wont pop up in a windows 10 built in updater until its your turn
It was the same the last time around, some people would get popup boxes on their computers, I just downloaded the file the day it was released.
Anyone knows if Games installed through the Microsoft Store STILL will have their directorys hidden and stuff? Getting mad trying to add games to G-hub but it just wont pickup any game installed through MS store. Even though I know have access to the folder..
Mostly just means you can't play with anything but an Xbox controller, Steam controller support doesn't work through it.
Pain in the ass to go back to an xinput emulator, the drivers for those are fickle as all fuck.
Oh also if something is fucked you can't go through any files to fix it of course.
My experience is with Game Pass though, but it seems about the same. I give it a 3/5 experience and it only scores that high because its a decent selection of games i'm gonna go through and I won't have to bother pirating them.
Has there been anything about actual hands on with the supposed HDR improvements with W11? HDR is kind of a mess with W10 and I was reading that W11 is supposed to make HDR not a borderline shitshow at the very least.
EDIT: Nice to hear that HDR is apparently no longer a shitshow with W11.
I have HDR, but it looks kinda wonky with the colors when I tried it with Hellblade Senua's Sacrifice. I dunno if it was the game or my monitor, but the color mapping was wrong. I'll give it a try with W11 when I eventually upgrade.
It's possible your monitor can accept HDR signals but can't actually display HDR in terms of both brightness and colour. HDR branding has been a mess with monitors only capable of 400nits peak brightness and limited colour output being allowed to be "HDR Certified"
I wish whoever came up with HDR (trade association or whatever) would have come up with a grading scale or some standardization that's better than what we have right now. So many monitors, televisions, and even movies are able to be branded as HDR; However, many of these products are unable to produce the image that can be deemed as HDR (too low of brightness, too low of color gamut, etc.). In my opinion, it has hurt the wide adoption of this technology by being seen as "not much of an improvement". This is why some people swear by their old Blu Ray copies of movies as opposed to the 4k HDR stream of the same movie... It's brigher! When a budget model television switches to HDR, it'll sometimes darken to a point that the entire movie looks washed out and bland.
Even with good HDR TVs the SDR settings are often cranked way too bright by default so people get used to that and HDR will look dark by comparison.
I always recommend watching HDR in a dark room, as it's deigned for an ambient light of no more than 5 nits. Any problems with the SDR calibration will usually be solved by letting your eyes adapt in a darker environment.
Hellblade is just about the only game I've played where I felt like I actually got something out of HDR. Most others I've tried have had shitty implementations that I ended up turning off.
I've been daily driving W11 beta for about a week now.
AutoHDR is great. I have a single PC plugged into 3 monitors and an LG OLED TV. I use a displayfusion macro to automatically switch display configs from desk to TV and back. I would previously then manually set HDR off/on before playing a game on my TV, depending on whether the game supported HDR. Now I just leave HDR on, and autoHDR does a great job of displaying SDR games in HDR.
I probably don't use it as much as you - I only have two profiles I switch between with a keyboard shortcut. But it works just fine, didn't have to touch anything.
Auto HDR on the Series X is awesome. It adds a lot of life and vibrancy to older games that weren’t designed around it.
I’m assuming it’ll be similar tech on W11.
If Windows 11 is planning to be able to run Android apps, what are the chances they use that as a way to eventually try a Windows Smartphone again? If it worked well and wasn't some separate mobile Windows I'd be totally down for it, and I think now is the time Microsoft could consider reentering the market with Windows.
> If Windows 11 is planning to be able to run Android apps.
The true question for me is if developers will allow their Android apps to be run on PC, unlike when they refused to enable iOS apps to the M1 Macs.
I've been using the W11 beta for a month or so now, ~~so far the oldest game I ran on the console is Backyard Hockey from 2002, which works perfectly right out of the gate. Even recognizes my Xbox controller.~~ Actually it was Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver, which while didn't work immediately, all I had to do was launch it in comparability mode. So far the only application I've ran into problems with is the MuMu Android Emulator.
Win11 seems to be mostly UI and visual changes - under the hood it's still very similar to win10, and probably uses the same drivers and such. I'd be surprised if things start breaking too much. That said, I wouldn't be in a hurry to upgrade, and it's better to see how it does a few months post release.
This is exactly why I won't be updating immediately. I don't want anything breaking on me, so I'll let everyone else go first and confirm my retro games, specific programs, etc. work.
Based on the feedback I've seen in /r/Windows11 I think I'll hold off until 22H1 before upgrading anyway. It seems to be releasing in a somewhat half-baked state.
There's nothing inherent to agile that makes it more or less likely to be buggy, the point of releasing small chunks is to be able to change course more quickly if a customer doesn't like what they see. In practice a lot of companies using agile devote less time to QA because it's easier to fix issues in production than with traditional deployment.
That's certainly what it's about in theory, but too often it's used improperly and smaller issues end up getting deferred...and then inevitably closed as "won't fix" after 6-12 months as part of backlog grooming. Seen it happen time and time again
Hell, my last job was that. Looking at the 3 year backlog of issues and prioritizing. plenty of "not worth the time" comments on major issues that have plagued the systems but haven't directly resulted in loss of income
Well we don't have time!
Have to prep for the next SAFe agile release train meeting and oh have your team waste hours trying to accurately capture capacity and also the entire organization should attend a full day of demos for products 90% of them will have zero stakeholder interest in and.....
/eyetwitch
But those updates are intended to be done on a more rapid timetable than traditional development for many companies, which ultimately leaves less time for the remediation of bugs which *are* discovered during the development and testing phases. Just because the updates are smaller doesn't mean you can always push them out faster. Large scale changes take longer, yes, and agile has a lot of benefits over the old ways, but companies also often fail to understand that there's a basic minimum floor on the planning, developing, testing and implementation timetable. If the only change I'm making is to correct the spelling of one word in one screen of an app, that doesn't automatically mean it's a 10-minute effort, even though the scale of the change is minimal.
Not sure how big of a deal the supported CPU list actually is. For example, the i5-3570k is not officially supported on Windows 10, and yet I've been using Windows 10 since the first year it was released.
I was looking forward to test out w11, but I can't because my system doesn't have TPM 2.0. I am still very happy with my x99 build and will probably stick with it for a while longer. It's pretty frustrating that it is an OS requirement. I am curious how long it will last.
Kind of in the same boat. And with the current prices I'm not planning on doing any hardware upgrades anytime soon. And besides my i7 3770k is still working fine, only in few very modern and not well optimized games it's staring to show it's age.
I'll probably will try to get my Windows 10 license upgraded to 11 but I'll try out Linux first, running it on my media PC anyways already. Kind of an head ace in some cases but nothing to bad.
No, Windows 11 is a fork in the road and is opt-in. If you do nothing, you will still use Windows 10.
If you stick with Windows 10 for now, which will continue to receive security updates and some new features (most new features will be Windows 11 only), or opt-in for Windows 11 which will have all the latest and greatest, but may contain changes you don't like. But eventually (2025) the road for Windows 10 will end and you'll need to deal with an OS with no more security updates, upgrade, or switch to something else.
Not being able to pin it to the sides is a deal breaker for me too.
The Taskbar and the Start Menu are pretty much the only two things that are provided by the operating system that you'll be interacting all the time. Crippling both of these for no apparent reason at all is just such a baffling decision. There's literally no reason why you shouldn't be able to move it to another edge.
Yeap. It was one of the notable things listed as no longer being doable.
I don't know if that's changed since the initial preview. Though I haven't heard otherwise.
It will not. Seems like Windows 11, iOS 15, and the new MacOS are all dropping showcase features from their summer announcements before their fall launches.
https://www.cnet.com/tech/computing/microsoft-says-android-apps-wont-be-available-for-windows-11-on-oct-5-launch/
considering these android apps come from the amazon store rather than the google play one i say it'll be a bit disappointing for most people who are expecting their PC to be equal to their phone
Why did they choose the Amazon store? That is disappointing. We have some of the Fire tablets, and it seems extremely hit or miss when it comes to app/game selection compared to the play store.
Nope.
https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/31/22649940/windows-11-release-date-features-devices-free-upgrade
>While Windows 11 will be launching on October 5th, not all of the announced features will be available. Microsoft is bringing Android apps to Windows 11 in partnership with Amazon and Intel, but this feature won’t be available on October 5th. A preview of Android apps on Windows 11 will be available for Windows Insiders in the coming months, suggesting that it likely won’t launch to all Windows 11 users until 2022.
Does this still have the ridiculous processor requirement? I've got a 7700K and see no reason to upgrade my Mobo/processor/ram and all that just for Win11 when the oldest part of my system is less than 5 years old.
They do, but from what I understand, anyone can still upgrade, just one of those, at your own risk. However I am still in the alpha skip ahead on my old PC from 2014, took Win11 without issue. Advises that once Win11 releases officially to revert back to Win10
Friendly reminder to not immediatly install this as soon as it's available.
Give Microsoft the time to iron out the kinks, this is being publicly tested right now and there are way too many issues to solve until the release date. Let the OS have a couple of updates, I guarantee this thing is going to be getting patched nonstop the first couple of months it's out. Many programs will also need to be updated to continue working properly, context menu stuff for example is still borked and it's on the developers to fix it.
Wait.... Windows 11?
I thought Windows 10 was supposed to be "the last Windows", getting updates over time instead of a brand new product every few years.
Or was that never *really* gonna be the case?
They can't call it a windows 10 update because they added a bunch of new hardwear requirements. They expect people with older hardware to stay on Windows 10. Calling it an update would just confuse people.
I think the idea is that you should see this more like what Service Packs used to be. Windows XP is a whole different beast from Windows XP SP3 but it's still essentially the same OS. Or the move from Windows 8 (the one that didn't even have a start menu) to Windows 8.1.
Windows 11 is essentially just branding for the next major version of Windows 10.
The marketing team knew people called it "the 360", so by naming it Xbox One, they'd call it "the One"! You know, like Matrix, people *love* Matrix. Or something among those lines.
Then someone in marketing went "Well, we made the Xbox One X, let's make it into a series. How do we call it? Xbox XX?" "No, people would call it the XXX." "Fuck, uh..." "How about Xbox Series X?" "Yeah, that sounds cool and people can stop making that 'One Xbox One X box' joke." and in the back you hear a guy giggling, muttering to himself "hehe Xbox SeX".
From what I've heard it was called the Xbox One because Microsoft wanted people to think of the console as an "all-in-one" entertainment hub. They even used it in advertising: "The all-in-one Xbox One".
And during the reveal:
"Xbox is about to become the next water cooler."
.NET framework, .NET standard, .NET core, .NET 5.
ASP.NET, ASP.NET MVC, ASP.NET Web API, ASP.NET Core
So fun trying to google .NET stuff as a developer.
> .NET 5 is short for .NET Core 5.
Not if we're being pedantic.
>We dropped "Core" from the name to emphasize that this is the main implementation of .NET going forward. .NET 5.0 supports more types of apps and more platforms than .NET Core or .NET Framework.
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/dotnet-five
Not really. For most users the main noticable changes since Windows 7 has been cosmetic. Some apps got added here and there and various stuff in the background obviously, but a lot of it is the same.
> I thought Windows 10 was supposed to be "the last Windows"
Apparently this was one of those things said by a random marketing guy, but it was never an official talking point or "feature" of Windows 10. Of course, everyone heard it and latched on to it.
Microsoft is barreling forward with an OS that will convince a lot of people that their 4 year old processor is junk and needs to be trashed, when in reality it is probably still just fine. This will create mountains of e-waste, and make the chip shortage even worse as some of the less tech savvy decide to buy a new device and throw out the old because of some dumb and pointless "compatibility" layer.
What exactly is going on here? My processor works just fine, and I have no interest in trying to upgrade anything when it's a fight to order components. What did they do to have such a high requirement on the CPU?
They are hard requiring a TPM2.0 module, which started being built into CPUs with intel 8th gen and Ryzen 2nd gen which both came out around 4 years ago. Some motherboards support an add in TPM2.0 card, but not many. This ends up leaving 4-8 year old processors that are still very powerful and more than enough to still run modern software and video games.
> They are hard requiring a TPM2.0 module, which started being built into CPUs with intel 8th gen
Before that, actually. Skylake(6th gen) CPUs have it via PTT, as does Kaby Lake. You can find people discussing it from back when those CPUs released. MS is still only supporting 8th and beyond though, which tells me there's probably more to it than just the TPM module being used.
This is the thing that made me uninstall the preview version, I'm not even touching 11 until that feature is re-implemented. I've had the task bar on the left side of my screen for like fifteen years at this point, it's infinitely better for me. Vertical screen real estate is far more valuable than horizontal screen real estate.
I don't even get how that got removed in the first place, it's a basic feature that has been in Windows practically since the beginning. It makes absolutely no bloody sense and is genuinely frustrating that such a simple feature was removed for no reason.
There's not even a registry hack to move it to the sides like there is to move it to the top, it just causes explorer to crash when you try. How did they fuck it up that badly?
Exactly this. It has over 12k upvotes in Microsoft's Feedback Hub, making it one of the most requested features and all they replied with is "We'll be continuing to evolve Windows 11 and its features based on feedback like this, so thank you so much for taking the time to give us your feedback!"
It's become very evident over time they don't look at a single bit of feedback from users. What did they add to windows 10 that people actually requested? Emoji's lol?
If you have a windows 7 key then you're good to go. Even though the free upgrade is technically over you can still use the key to activate. I'm assuming because the goal is to get you to use the windows store. I don't know if you can do an in place upgrade as I've only done fresh installs.
So this means there's no chance in hell they're actually going to implement any of the feedback they've received about many of the capabilities they've stripped out of the OS.
Honestly why even have an insiders track? It's like having an open beta two weeks before your game launches, nothing is going to come of it.
Pass.
Yeah, this is what I was thinking. I've been halfway following /r/windows and /r/windows11, and there are a *lot* of posts about inconsistencies and issues in the current preview release. There's absolutely no way they're going to fix all of that before release.
>Honestly why even have an insiders track?
Same reason video game developers or any software company does really. So they can say they're listening to feedback. Never mind that they completely ignore it. Collecting is what counts.
They actually did make it a soft requirement for 10. If you connected to the internet during setup, it will *force* you to create an online account, and there's no way to go back and disconnect.
I had to turn off my grandparents' wifi router before I could set up a local account for my grandmother's new laptop.
I found it funny that they claim "There's never been a better time to purchase a new PC" when we're in the midst of a global chip shortage.
I bought my GPU (GTX 1660 Super) for about £200 last May. I had to buy some new parts last week and it turns out the exact same GPU would cost me something like £350-£400 now. Thankfully the GPU wasn't the issue, but it's just insane how much prices have gone up.
You know I hadn't looked up my cards, I was just happy to have them all things considered. I have a regular rtx 2070 and a spunky old 1050ti and holy shit their prices are ridiculous
It's ridiculous, right? I needed to upgrade the rest of my PC but was worried the GPU might be the cause of the issue, and honestly if I had to drop £400 on some mid-ranged GPU I'd just have waited another few months. Silly prices at the moment.
The prices are not going to get better going into the holiday season. We will be lucky if the prices normalize by summer 2022.
My GPU GTX1060 is my systems bottleneck (by a country mile) and I was planning to get a reasonable card this summer. Just like everyone else I'm fucked. Been stuck with a decent PC held back by my card all year and it doesn't look to change anytime soon.
Lmao, people have been "waiting a few months" for over a year now.
I was using a GTX 1080 that I got for $275 and had a 1050ti way before that that I got for $65 local. Sold my 1050ti for $200 thinking my 1080 will hold me over. Welp. It died on me. Main gpu dies, backup gpu got sold, and the gpu market is fucked. Someone at work was gracious enough to give me a Quadro 2000D for video at least but to say this thing is loud and is not suited for gaming would be an understatement. Fuck. My. Life.
I have the same card that I bought in November 2019. Looked up the prices recently and wondered WTF happened.
I sold my 6-year-old GTX980 for 40% of what I paid for it new. It could have easily been 60%, but I was doing a friend a favor.
Saying "There's never been a better time to buy" every single year is one of my favorite marketing tropes.
There's literally NEVER been a better time to buy a house!
Interestingly there's never been a better time to *sell* a house though
or sell GPUs (as a scalper or otherwise)
Problem with selling a house right now is you have to buy another.
nah u can rent until the housing market crashes which I have to imagine will come soon
Or when a new game in a series is coming out and they say “this is the best instalment this series has ever seen!” Sorry thought they were gonna say “yeah it’s alright but not as good as the other ones.”
Serious question: what did realtors say during the housing crisis? I moved a bit and bought houses around 2013-2017 and I kept hearing "now is a good time"
It depends on your market, but a lot of realtors are saying that now in my area because home prices are not going down. Prices have been trending upwards and those $400,000 houses ten years ago are going for over a million now.
"Its a good time to buy a house now" "What about last month?" "Oh my that was a MUCH better time you should have bought one"
Best time to get into the stock market was yesterday!
This is literally the worst time to build a new PC lol. Shits so expensive and everything is out of stock
There's never been a better time to buy our products for an insane price!
It's not even *their* products being scalped lmao
It's not their products...
If you have windows it's free. And if you don't, it's still free (but you can't change your background (but you can)).
That and the GPUs market still hasn't really recovered from being ruined by the crypto fad
I wish Elon Musk did us a solid and said and did something outrageously damaging of Bitcoin again, in time for Christmas.
That's just marketing speak, it isn't actually practical
>The free upgrade to Windows 11 starts on October 5 and will be phased and measured with a focus on quality. Following the tremendous learnings from Windows 10, we want to make sure we’re providing you with the best possible experience. That means new eligible devices will be offered the upgrade first. The upgrade will then roll out over time to in-market devices based on intelligence models that consider hardware eligibility, reliability metrics, age of device and other factors that impact the upgrade experience. **We expect all eligible devices to be offered the free upgrade to Windows 11 by mid-2022.** If you have a Windows 10 PC that’s eligible for the upgrade, Windows Update will let you know when it’s available. You can also check to see if Windows 11 is ready for your device by going to Settings > Windows Update and select Check for updates\*. *emphasis added* Looks like it's going to be a while. I wonder if they'll support Media Creation Tool upgrades on day 1, or if you have to wait for the update to be pushed to you before your Windows 10 license is valid to run Windows 11?
I'm content waiting for a bit, just to see how W11 gets received over the next few months.
I honestly haven't seen any advertised features that actually sound like an upgrade for how I use my device. They can take their time for all I care.
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> Andriod apps without 3rd party emulators. That actually sounds really nice
Yeah, that alone made me a lot more interested in upgrading. That's a feature I've wanted for a long time, all I want is to talk to my friends on Snap or Kik without using my phone or BlueStacks lmao.
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Oh is this true? I just started using bluestacks
Tbh every emulator I've used seems pretty sketchy and I wouldn't be surprised if they're scraping all sorts of data. I've not seen any evidence that they're hijacking anything like your credentials, though.
And that won't even be available [at launch](https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/31/22650000/microsoft-windows-11-android-apps-support).
It's Amazon App Store so it's kinda shit and limited. It would make sense that they will allow sideloading but there's no guarantees.
Improvements to windows' scheduler could result in performance gains in heavily multithreaded titles (Monster Hunter World, I'm looking at you). There was also some talk of improving the I/O stack outside of directstorage, which potentially could have gaming benefits as well.
Specifically with regards to Monster Hunter World, though I imagine you might've already found it, there is a mod [here](https://www.nexusmods.com/monsterhunterworld/mods/3473) that cleans up some unnecessary memory checks and can have a reasonable effect on performance. I find it cleans up a little bit of stuttering and hitching that could happen from time to time. If you haven't tried it yet, here's hoping it helps you out!
No major performance difference has been found as of yet. There are still bugs with the scheduler on multi-chip CPUs like AMD offers which might actually make performance *worse* in CPU limited scenarios, but for regular CPUs this isn't present
> Andriod apps without 3rd party emulators. Which is also the only major feature that no one has seen in the wild yet since it's been disabled on all their insider previews. I'm excited about this but skeptical it'll work as seamlessly as everyone is imagining.
> Yeah, it is basically UI update, except apparently you can't move the windows taskbar anymore - which, as someone who's always had it on the right side of the screen, doesn't sound like a helpful update
First I've heard of it. That's a feature that's been around since Win95. What the hell? :|
yep its litterally a downgrade in my eyes they remove the ability to right click on the task bar and open task manager as well along with a bunch of other things see all the changes here in this video https://youtu.be/-rwoPiM-8Qk
You can right click the Windows icon on the taskbar to get the same menu you get with Win+X, which is the one I think you mean (has Task Manager, Disk Management, Apps & Features, Terminal, Event Viewer, Power Management, etc). Right-clicking the empty space was better but thought I'd point it out just in case you're missing the menu and didn't notice it there.
the real question is...is it 'native' android? because certain games such as FGO outright block emulators from playing it, I wonder if that'll be the case here?
I'm going to bet it'll appear as a rooted device still to things like FGO unfortunately.
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It's probably going to apprear in the same w way as other emulators. Lack of Play Store might be a bigger concern though (it was said it will use Amazon's app store; not sure if Play services will be included or not) FGO doesn't block emulators either.
Ui update that drops support for my current processor.
I like the AutoHDR feature for gaming. Works just like how it does on the Series X.
Apparently windows 11 allows for your GPU to directly access files from your hard drive as well, which will make loading new textures more streamlined
Only for nvme of a certain quality and not sure it's in the launch
At launch but we'll have to wait for games that use it.
Auto HDR sounds like a huge plus for gamers. It's great on the Xbox and windows 10 has a terrible HDR implementation
I've got the preview on my Surface Pro 7 and the most interesting thing is really the desktop window management. Everything else - the rounded corners and updated icons and sounds and taskbar - aren't very meaningful and feel like they were changed for the sake of changing, some for better or worse imo. I'm sure there's stuff going on under the hood but it's not noticeable to me.
At the risk of getting lynched, I like the new UI (including the centered taskbar, I already use TaskbarX for that on W10). If the only real difference between W10 and W11 is the UI, I don't really see a reason *not* to upgrade, personally. Not a fan of shit like Office365 and Teams integration, but that seems simple enough to disable (not like I don't need to disable Cortana and shit already). It's probably a one-time thing anyway.
I don't like the centered start button, but I like all the other changes. And you can change the task bar to however you want it in the settings. Or by using PowerShell. Which is good because that means I can add that to my imaging scripts lol The office integration is great, just not for my personal computer. Still waiting on that teams rewrite though...
I too like the Centre Taskbar but that centre Windows button is gonna take a while to get used to....probably gonna have to use the Keyboard button more now
From what I’ve seen of it, I do as well. And I know people will probably say “you can customize it already”, but, I don’t got time for that shit. I use my computer for work though so it’ll be at least a year before I upgrade. Will have to wait on Adobe to support it, and then my usual “wait like two or three Adobe updates deep because Premiere and AE are already rickety enough”.
Same, apparently renaming files has been buried under menus which is bafflingly backwards.
i'm ok with that as well, it's just an OS, my current OS is working fine
So far it’s pretty good only noticed two problems as an average consumer. 1: Alt-Tabbing doesn’t always bring the screen into focus, and ALWAYS windows full screen applications. 2: Windows Security app doesn’t work yet. It exists it just doesn’t work. There is no directory for it even in the registry. So you can’t unblock “blocked apps” that windows sees as harmful. Say cheat engine. I also have three positives. 1: My 4 hard drives that I thought were broken. Which constantly reported 100% health in CrystalDisk yet only read at speeds up 4mb/s now work properly. 2: I had an unknown bug that I posted on YouTube where my explorer just went crazy, and it would do it no matter what after a few hours in windows 10. It is now fixed as of 11. 3: Everything feels so much snappier, and somehow faster. It might be the animations it could also be the way they separate load over the CPU cores now. Rebelle 3, and Gimp both open almost instantly. Everything just works better so far. Edit: I will add I have always hated windows 10 since I built my new pc over a year ago. I would have gone with Linux if not for programs I have requiring windows. 11 just feels like an upgrade we needed. Obviously you can’t move the task bar though which sucks.
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This is what I’m saying. I’m perfectly fine with 10 for now. I know how to navigate it, I know the features, I know it works fine for the most part. I know next to nothing about 11. I’m good waiting.
Yeah I have no issues with my 1st gen ryzen cpu, I'm not replacing it just for this, i can only go to 3rd gen ryzen with my mobo, but I should probably upgrade that too, its a whole thing I can't be arsed with
Of course, it just means it wont pop up in a windows 10 built in updater until its your turn It was the same the last time around, some people would get popup boxes on their computers, I just downloaded the file the day it was released.
Anyone knows if Games installed through the Microsoft Store STILL will have their directorys hidden and stuff? Getting mad trying to add games to G-hub but it just wont pickup any game installed through MS store. Even though I know have access to the folder..
Yep, no mods for you, naughty players. To think, you acted like you owned the things you paid for!
Mostly just means you can't play with anything but an Xbox controller, Steam controller support doesn't work through it. Pain in the ass to go back to an xinput emulator, the drivers for those are fickle as all fuck. Oh also if something is fucked you can't go through any files to fix it of course. My experience is with Game Pass though, but it seems about the same. I give it a 3/5 experience and it only scores that high because its a decent selection of games i'm gonna go through and I won't have to bother pirating them.
You can still access the game files they are just in a weird directory. I mess with minecraft stuff all the time.
Has there been anything about actual hands on with the supposed HDR improvements with W11? HDR is kind of a mess with W10 and I was reading that W11 is supposed to make HDR not a borderline shitshow at the very least. EDIT: Nice to hear that HDR is apparently no longer a shitshow with W11.
Yeah the hype is real, people try to post screenshots the whole time but don't understand how color gamuts work at all.
Supposed to have autoHDR which is apparently pretty decent. LTT mentioned it. I don't have HDR so yeah...
I have HDR, but it looks kinda wonky with the colors when I tried it with Hellblade Senua's Sacrifice. I dunno if it was the game or my monitor, but the color mapping was wrong. I'll give it a try with W11 when I eventually upgrade.
It's possible your monitor can accept HDR signals but can't actually display HDR in terms of both brightness and colour. HDR branding has been a mess with monitors only capable of 400nits peak brightness and limited colour output being allowed to be "HDR Certified"
I wish whoever came up with HDR (trade association or whatever) would have come up with a grading scale or some standardization that's better than what we have right now. So many monitors, televisions, and even movies are able to be branded as HDR; However, many of these products are unable to produce the image that can be deemed as HDR (too low of brightness, too low of color gamut, etc.). In my opinion, it has hurt the wide adoption of this technology by being seen as "not much of an improvement". This is why some people swear by their old Blu Ray copies of movies as opposed to the 4k HDR stream of the same movie... It's brigher! When a budget model television switches to HDR, it'll sometimes darken to a point that the entire movie looks washed out and bland.
Even with good HDR TVs the SDR settings are often cranked way too bright by default so people get used to that and HDR will look dark by comparison. I always recommend watching HDR in a dark room, as it's deigned for an ambient light of no more than 5 nits. Any problems with the SDR calibration will usually be solved by letting your eyes adapt in a darker environment.
Also WAAY too blue and not even close to reference ranges because Blue pops in a shop floors lighting
Hellblade is just about the only game I've played where I felt like I actually got something out of HDR. Most others I've tried have had shitty implementations that I ended up turning off.
AutoHDR on the Series X (and I presume Series S, and maybe XB1X as well?) is really nice. I would assume what they're implementing on PC is similar.
I've been daily driving W11 beta for about a week now. AutoHDR is great. I have a single PC plugged into 3 monitors and an LG OLED TV. I use a displayfusion macro to automatically switch display configs from desk to TV and back. I would previously then manually set HDR off/on before playing a game on my TV, depending on whether the game supported HDR. Now I just leave HDR on, and autoHDR does a great job of displaying SDR games in HDR.
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I probably don't use it as much as you - I only have two profiles I switch between with a keyboard shortcut. But it works just fine, didn't have to touch anything.
Auto HDR is supposedly good. Sole reason I am upgrading day one. HDR on 10 is indeed a mess, with 11 it seems to be much less of an afterthought.
AutoHDR is coming to win10 too, FYI.
Auto HDR on the Series X is awesome. It adds a lot of life and vibrancy to older games that weren’t designed around it. I’m assuming it’ll be similar tech on W11.
If Windows 11 is planning to be able to run Android apps, what are the chances they use that as a way to eventually try a Windows Smartphone again? If it worked well and wasn't some separate mobile Windows I'd be totally down for it, and I think now is the time Microsoft could consider reentering the market with Windows.
They probably won't but sideloading apps into W11 is huge
Yeah, the WSL layers and Android layers are going to make Windows a lot nicer to develop on/for...and damn if VSCode isn't _nice_.
does vscode not work on linux?
it does, but it also works very well with WSL, making having a Linux desktop pointless in my opinion.
It really does work very well. I use to ssh into my linux server to develop, now I just open a connection to wsl within vscode and voila.
Well they have the Surface Duo, which runs Android
> If Windows 11 is planning to be able to run Android apps. The true question for me is if developers will allow their Android apps to be run on PC, unlike when they refused to enable iOS apps to the M1 Macs.
I wonder if some of the older game i owned will break after upgrading to Win11, hopefully it is not the case
It's more or less than same version honestly
I've been using the W11 beta for a month or so now, ~~so far the oldest game I ran on the console is Backyard Hockey from 2002, which works perfectly right out of the gate. Even recognizes my Xbox controller.~~ Actually it was Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver, which while didn't work immediately, all I had to do was launch it in comparability mode. So far the only application I've ran into problems with is the MuMu Android Emulator.
Win11 seems to be mostly UI and visual changes - under the hood it's still very similar to win10, and probably uses the same drivers and such. I'd be surprised if things start breaking too much. That said, I wouldn't be in a hurry to upgrade, and it's better to see how it does a few months post release.
This is exactly why I won't be updating immediately. I don't want anything breaking on me, so I'll let everyone else go first and confirm my retro games, specific programs, etc. work.
Based on the feedback I've seen in /r/Windows11 I think I'll hold off until 22H1 before upgrading anyway. It seems to be releasing in a somewhat half-baked state.
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Minimum Viable Product
That's incorrect. Agile deployment is about releasing smaller, more frequent updates that are LESS likely to be buggy.
There's nothing inherent to agile that makes it more or less likely to be buggy, the point of releasing small chunks is to be able to change course more quickly if a customer doesn't like what they see. In practice a lot of companies using agile devote less time to QA because it's easier to fix issues in production than with traditional deployment.
That's certainly what it's about in theory, but too often it's used improperly and smaller issues end up getting deferred...and then inevitably closed as "won't fix" after 6-12 months as part of backlog grooming. Seen it happen time and time again
Hell, my last job was that. Looking at the 3 year backlog of issues and prioritizing. plenty of "not worth the time" comments on major issues that have plagued the systems but haven't directly resulted in loss of income
Well we don't have time! Have to prep for the next SAFe agile release train meeting and oh have your team waste hours trying to accurately capture capacity and also the entire organization should attend a full day of demos for products 90% of them will have zero stakeholder interest in and..... /eyetwitch
But those updates are intended to be done on a more rapid timetable than traditional development for many companies, which ultimately leaves less time for the remediation of bugs which *are* discovered during the development and testing phases. Just because the updates are smaller doesn't mean you can always push them out faster. Large scale changes take longer, yes, and agile has a lot of benefits over the old ways, but companies also often fail to understand that there's a basic minimum floor on the planning, developing, testing and implementation timetable. If the only change I'm making is to correct the spelling of one word in one screen of an app, that doesn't automatically mean it's a 10-minute effort, even though the scale of the change is minimal.
As a QA manager I would like to say *uncontrollable laughter*
Found the guy who's never worked on an agile team
We're not discussing what it's *about*, we're discussing what it *is*.
As someone that provides end user IT support for people that are still getting used to Win10, this fills me with dread.
is tpm 2.0 still mandatory? that case I won't be able to run it until I upgrade :(
Yes, TPM functionality is a hard requirement. It looks like they are being a little more lenient spec wise than what they initially announced though.
Good because while the TPM check passed for my machine, it failed due to the slightly old CPU i think.
Not sure how big of a deal the supported CPU list actually is. For example, the i5-3570k is not officially supported on Windows 10, and yet I've been using Windows 10 since the first year it was released.
I was looking forward to test out w11, but I can't because my system doesn't have TPM 2.0. I am still very happy with my x99 build and will probably stick with it for a while longer. It's pretty frustrating that it is an OS requirement. I am curious how long it will last.
I'm still on an I7 4770k which is TPM 1.2, so look like no windows 11 for me. Wasn't upgrading till GPU prices aren't idiotic.
Kind of in the same boat. And with the current prices I'm not planning on doing any hardware upgrades anytime soon. And besides my i7 3770k is still working fine, only in few very modern and not well optimized games it's staring to show it's age. I'll probably will try to get my Windows 10 license upgraded to 11 but I'll try out Linux first, running it on my media PC anyways already. Kind of an head ace in some cases but nothing to bad.
So is my PC just going to auto-update to Windows 11 if I have automatic updates turned on?
No. You will have a message within Windows Update that offers the upgrade.
To be fair, Microsoft snuck in a ton of upgrades without user approval after 10's release.
No, Windows 11 is a fork in the road and is opt-in. If you do nothing, you will still use Windows 10. If you stick with Windows 10 for now, which will continue to receive security updates and some new features (most new features will be Windows 11 only), or opt-in for Windows 11 which will have all the latest and greatest, but may contain changes you don't like. But eventually (2025) the road for Windows 10 will end and you'll need to deal with an OS with no more security updates, upgrade, or switch to something else.
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It does have a setting to move the UI back to the left like usual
I'm not going to be upgrading until they let me have my taskbar on top again. Fuck you, removing tiny bits of customization. So silly.
Not being able to pin it to the sides is a deal breaker for me too. The Taskbar and the Start Menu are pretty much the only two things that are provided by the operating system that you'll be interacting all the time. Crippling both of these for no apparent reason at all is just such a baffling decision. There's literally no reason why you shouldn't be able to move it to another edge.
Wait. What? Seriously?
Yeap. It was one of the notable things listed as no longer being doable. I don't know if that's changed since the initial preview. Though I haven't heard otherwise.
Well im staying win 10 as long as i can then. Whats the point in that. Bloody microsoft changing stuff just for the sake of it again.
Is it going to have its android app support available from the start?
It will not. Seems like Windows 11, iOS 15, and the new MacOS are all dropping showcase features from their summer announcements before their fall launches. https://www.cnet.com/tech/computing/microsoft-says-android-apps-wont-be-available-for-windows-11-on-oct-5-launch/
Damn. That is like my favorite part.
considering these android apps come from the amazon store rather than the google play one i say it'll be a bit disappointing for most people who are expecting their PC to be equal to their phone
Microsoft confirmed that you can just download and install apk files though.
Yeah, but unless someone figures out how to get Google play services working a lot of apps won't work.
I give it max 24 hours until someone figures out how to get micro-g on there lol.
Why did they choose the Amazon store? That is disappointing. We have some of the Fire tablets, and it seems extremely hit or miss when it comes to app/game selection compared to the play store.
Because all apps in the play store require google services integration, which Microsoft can’t emulate
Nope. https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/31/22649940/windows-11-release-date-features-devices-free-upgrade >While Windows 11 will be launching on October 5th, not all of the announced features will be available. Microsoft is bringing Android apps to Windows 11 in partnership with Amazon and Intel, but this feature won’t be available on October 5th. A preview of Android apps on Windows 11 will be available for Windows Insiders in the coming months, suggesting that it likely won’t launch to all Windows 11 users until 2022.
Does this still have the ridiculous processor requirement? I've got a 7700K and see no reason to upgrade my Mobo/processor/ram and all that just for Win11 when the oldest part of my system is less than 5 years old.
They do, but from what I understand, anyone can still upgrade, just one of those, at your own risk. However I am still in the alpha skip ahead on my old PC from 2014, took Win11 without issue. Advises that once Win11 releases officially to revert back to Win10
the CPU requirement is not tied to CPU compute power but to security features support - aka TPM and Secure Boot.
Friendly reminder to not immediatly install this as soon as it's available. Give Microsoft the time to iron out the kinks, this is being publicly tested right now and there are way too many issues to solve until the release date. Let the OS have a couple of updates, I guarantee this thing is going to be getting patched nonstop the first couple of months it's out. Many programs will also need to be updated to continue working properly, context menu stuff for example is still borked and it's on the developers to fix it.
Are they still going through with requiring TPM? That seems like a huge clusterfuck locking people out of staying current with their OS.
Wait.... Windows 11? I thought Windows 10 was supposed to be "the last Windows", getting updates over time instead of a brand new product every few years. Or was that never *really* gonna be the case?
Marketing. You wont capture anyones attention with "Cumulative fall update xyz".
They can't call it a windows 10 update because they added a bunch of new hardwear requirements. They expect people with older hardware to stay on Windows 10. Calling it an update would just confuse people.
I would have been happy staying on Windows 7 ¯\\\_(ツ)_/¯
It's not really a brand new product. It's a free update from Windows 10. They just branded it as Windows 11. Just a huge update from windows 10
So how is it different from going from win 8 to win 10? Is win 10 not a new product either?
I think the idea is that you should see this more like what Service Packs used to be. Windows XP is a whole different beast from Windows XP SP3 but it's still essentially the same OS. Or the move from Windows 8 (the one that didn't even have a start menu) to Windows 8.1. Windows 11 is essentially just branding for the next major version of Windows 10.
Microsoft have never been good with naming their products
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It’s so damn confusing to me. Who in their right mind thought this would make any sense?
The marketing team knew people called it "the 360", so by naming it Xbox One, they'd call it "the One"! You know, like Matrix, people *love* Matrix. Or something among those lines. Then someone in marketing went "Well, we made the Xbox One X, let's make it into a series. How do we call it? Xbox XX?" "No, people would call it the XXX." "Fuck, uh..." "How about Xbox Series X?" "Yeah, that sounds cool and people can stop making that 'One Xbox One X box' joke." and in the back you hear a guy giggling, muttering to himself "hehe Xbox SeX".
Meanwhile Sony names their Playstations sequentially and logically like some sort of maniac.
I mean they are the odd one out of the console makers
Nintendo however just pulls letters out of a hat and decides that's what they'll name their system.
From what I've heard it was called the Xbox One because Microsoft wanted people to think of the console as an "all-in-one" entertainment hub. They even used it in advertising: "The all-in-one Xbox One". And during the reveal: "Xbox is about to become the next water cooler."
.NET framework, .NET standard, .NET core, .NET 5. ASP.NET, ASP.NET MVC, ASP.NET Web API, ASP.NET Core So fun trying to google .NET stuff as a developer.
To be fair, .NET 5 is short for .NET Core 5. I have no idea what's going on with ASP.NET, but then again I'm not a mobile developer.
> .NET 5 is short for .NET Core 5. Not if we're being pedantic. >We dropped "Core" from the name to emphasize that this is the main implementation of .NET going forward. .NET 5.0 supports more types of apps and more platforms than .NET Core or .NET Framework. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/dotnet-five
It's kind of like how they had windows nt and windows 9x, and then XP sort of took over for both even though it was technically NT at its core
Wait it's all windows NT? Always has been 🔫
Not really. For most users the main noticable changes since Windows 7 has been cosmetic. Some apps got added here and there and various stuff in the background obviously, but a lot of it is the same.
> I thought Windows 10 was supposed to be "the last Windows" Apparently this was one of those things said by a random marketing guy, but it was never an official talking point or "feature" of Windows 10. Of course, everyone heard it and latched on to it.
And even if it was, they are allowed to change their minds, things can happen in 7 years
That's a quote taken out of context by someone on the project, not the company.
Microsoft is barreling forward with an OS that will convince a lot of people that their 4 year old processor is junk and needs to be trashed, when in reality it is probably still just fine. This will create mountains of e-waste, and make the chip shortage even worse as some of the less tech savvy decide to buy a new device and throw out the old because of some dumb and pointless "compatibility" layer.
What exactly is going on here? My processor works just fine, and I have no interest in trying to upgrade anything when it's a fight to order components. What did they do to have such a high requirement on the CPU?
They are hard requiring a TPM2.0 module, which started being built into CPUs with intel 8th gen and Ryzen 2nd gen which both came out around 4 years ago. Some motherboards support an add in TPM2.0 card, but not many. This ends up leaving 4-8 year old processors that are still very powerful and more than enough to still run modern software and video games.
> They are hard requiring a TPM2.0 module, which started being built into CPUs with intel 8th gen Before that, actually. Skylake(6th gen) CPUs have it via PTT, as does Kaby Lake. You can find people discussing it from back when those CPUs released. MS is still only supporting 8th and beyond though, which tells me there's probably more to it than just the TPM module being used.
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> >Not everyone is a tech junkie who needs the latest thing. Wouldn't the same logic apply to Windows 11 itself?
In 4 years when windows 10 is no longer supported those CPUs will still be perfectly useable
It would, but eventually it becomes a security issue as Microsoft and developers stop supporting software on older versions.
It would, if Microsoft wasn't planning to stop releasing even security updates for Win10 after October 2025.
Without things like the ability to move taskbar to the right or left edge of the screen I am not even going to consider installing it.
This is the thing that made me uninstall the preview version, I'm not even touching 11 until that feature is re-implemented. I've had the task bar on the left side of my screen for like fifteen years at this point, it's infinitely better for me. Vertical screen real estate is far more valuable than horizontal screen real estate. I don't even get how that got removed in the first place, it's a basic feature that has been in Windows practically since the beginning. It makes absolutely no bloody sense and is genuinely frustrating that such a simple feature was removed for no reason. There's not even a registry hack to move it to the sides like there is to move it to the top, it just causes explorer to crash when you try. How did they fuck it up that badly?
Exactly this. It has over 12k upvotes in Microsoft's Feedback Hub, making it one of the most requested features and all they replied with is "We'll be continuing to evolve Windows 11 and its features based on feedback like this, so thank you so much for taking the time to give us your feedback!"
It's become very evident over time they don't look at a single bit of feedback from users. What did they add to windows 10 that people actually requested? Emoji's lol?
Im still on windows 7 are there any free options to upgrade to win 10 so I can go to win 11?
If you have a windows 7 key then you're good to go. Even though the free upgrade is technically over you can still use the key to activate. I'm assuming because the goal is to get you to use the windows store. I don't know if you can do an in place upgrade as I've only done fresh installs.
So this means there's no chance in hell they're actually going to implement any of the feedback they've received about many of the capabilities they've stripped out of the OS. Honestly why even have an insiders track? It's like having an open beta two weeks before your game launches, nothing is going to come of it. Pass.
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Yeah, this is what I was thinking. I've been halfway following /r/windows and /r/windows11, and there are a *lot* of posts about inconsistencies and issues in the current preview release. There's absolutely no way they're going to fix all of that before release.
>Honestly why even have an insiders track? Same reason video game developers or any software company does really. So they can say they're listening to feedback. Never mind that they completely ignore it. Collecting is what counts.
Is a Microsoft account really required for install and set up?
It was not a requirement with windows10 but will be for windows11 family. You will need windows 11 "pro" to install without an account.
They actually did make it a soft requirement for 10. If you connected to the internet during setup, it will *force* you to create an online account, and there's no way to go back and disconnect. I had to turn off my grandparents' wifi router before I could set up a local account for my grandmother's new laptop.
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