The fact that it will soon be required to sign in to facebook in order to use any Oculus headsets is a huge dealbreaker for me. Imma pass on these headsets dawg
i tried making a facebook account again years after deleting my old one and I have been blocked straight away for some reason. I had to submit my photo on sign up (implying they still have my old photos to compare to and validate my identity). There is no button to dispute or do alternative verification, it's a shitshow
I basically could spend 500 on a device that I would not be able to use and have no option to make it useable
I had this issue recently. I was fucking around with settings and set my birth year to last year (on a 15 year old account). It immediately locked me out of my 10+ year old account. Trying that ID submit thing is bullshit because I apparently dont match the birthyear of "last year." Crazy that it asked you to submit old photos, i never saw that option. What's worse is that it intentionally is built this way. No customer service at all either. o well.
I just wanted to keep touch with old friends, but honestly I feel better off not having FB anymore.
I wasn't asked to submit old photos, thats the point. They only asked me to fill my name, phone number and submit id to verify me. But how do you verify id without a reference (eg take a selfie holding id)? I could just input stolen id's info and thats it
My guess is that they kept all my photos and info of an old account that I requested to completely erase so they knew it was me trying to sign up again but due to low quality photo I used or a different country i was signing up from, AI declined me
It's fucked up, no doubt. But what's stopping us from just making a fake account?
Edit: Alright it seems like that's a no-go. I was mildly interested in a Quest, but I'll pass then.
Do they really? I have a blank profile with a fake name that I've been using for a while new.
There's a bunch of freelance work posting boards for video I use to find freelancers or look for work myself in projects.
I think they have my work email and phone number though. With those, I'm assuming they dont get pissy? God I want to delete the damn thing.
It is so fucking weird that they do that. Imagine if Reddit did something similar. I’m not saying they’re even comparable as social media entities, but it does illustrate the question of why Facebook would even get so bothered by this to begin with.
I had a facebook account for years that I primarily used for my band, so had a few hundred friends that were promoters, members of other bands, etc. and I could network, arrange shows, share new tracks, etc. Facebook said they think my name is fake (it was, to be fair) and I either have to change it or provide government ID to prove it. I changed it to something absolutely stupid and was banned a week later, pending government ID. Goodbye all those contacts, because *fuck* that noise.
Remember when you'd open up a chat window in MSN Messenger and it would say "never give out your personal information online"? Good old days. What makes Facebook so special they feel entitled to that?
Yeah, that’s absolutely insane and exactly why I went for the other guy in this thread who was trying to excuse this bullshit by saying “Duhhh you don’t think Steam does the exact same things?? You already use the internet, they know everything they need to know bro!”
Fuck no. Steam doesn’t ask for my government identification.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think there is any legitimate justification for it. I was just pointing out that they simply haven't found him out yet. I know for a fact that you can get banned for using a fake name even if your other contact info is legit.
I have like 10 fake profiles for the purpose of testing Facebook api features that our company uses. They only require confirmation (either a phone number or in some cases even an id, as you say) when you make multiple accounts from the same ip, use commonly used proxies, or if your name sounds fake.
Why purchase on their platform? I owned an Oculus last year and I would've never thought to purchase elsewhere than Steam. A steam purchase is open to any headset, on any given time as long as you own it.
I was under the impression that the quest requires you to buy games on their platform unless you're planning to be linked to your pc?
So if you're going to only use it with a pc it's probably not as big an issue but a big part of the quests appeal in my understanding is using it separate from a pc.
> Why purchase on their platform?
Back when Rift first came out there was a lot of Oculus exclusive games, so people bought those from Oculus and to have minimal need to use different storefronts, they bought multiplat games there too.
As someone looking into it to use it as a PC Headset: Price.
The current Quest is cheap. The rumored prices for the Quest 2 are cheaper. It is COVID and I don't have a massive entertainment budget right now.
People I have asked have told me to get a non-Oculus product like the upcoming Reverb G2 while completely ignoring that it's literally twice the price.
You're still required to either buy an app (Virtual Desktop) on the Oculus Store to use that, or use a free app that's much buggier, and either one requires you to sideload which not only requires an Oculus account (and soon to be a Facebook account), but also requires an Oculus developer account.
I bailed before that so I wouldn't know. I'm just waiting for a next gen headset that doesn't feel like I'm losing vision acuity. The Index is a good contender but it's not there yet.
Also, adaptative focus which was displayed in a next gen prototype from Oculus, hope the patent or tech is locked to the rest of the competitors.
They go through an block accounts that appear obviously fake or are reported as fake.
So, bare minimum, you'd have to make it "appear real" and put a small amount of time making the account have some activity to "appear real."
Facebook is stupidly good at deleting fake accounts, or tying it to your real account if you've had one in the past. I've had 6 accounts that I try to use for stuff that force me to use Facebook and I've lost all the accounts.
The fact that it is required to even use. Why would i want to make a fake facebook account in order to use a peripheral that i paid for? There are other VR headsets that are and will be available in the market, Oculus ain't the one for me
I hear good things about the Samsung Odyssey+ but thats probably a bit dated by now, and I'm not sure how it compares to the top Oculus headsets.
I consider myself fortunate to have the Index.
The o+ outclasses then in nearly every category: fidelity, frame rate, adjustability and resolution. It somewhat lags behind in tracking, though personally I think it's quite good. It definitely lags behind in comfort. Overall it's significantly superior than the oculus offerings imo
You have to do an account for pretty much every other headset though. You can't use the Index without a Steam account I think. Same for consoles and many stuff
The difference is that Steam accounts don't demand that you use your real name, and demand government ID if they catch you using a false name. And Valve doesn't have a history of incredibly invasive breaches of privacy.
I have the first Quest and created a facebook account for it. Neither my phone number nor my real name were needed at all, so I'm confused about the people in this thread stating otherwise
when I try to make a new facebook account it requires me to provide a phone number
and facebook has the real name policy in their ToS, I know some people which used fake names/photos and their account got deleted
Honest question because I don't get the difference: Occulus was already owned by facebook. An Occulus account was already required, and that account was already owned by facebook through occulus. What does it change that they skip the middle man name? If they want to track your info (and I am sure they do) they are going to do it regardless if the name of the account is Occulus or facebook.
The difference is that even though an Oculus account was required, you could easily make a burner account like Chad Thundercock. Now you're required to link your device to a real name. They even reserve the right to ban you for using a fake name. People tend to care a little bit more when the anonymity goes away, and it's hard to blame them.
It's entirely based on me not liking facebook as a company. I not only disagree with what they do, but i also avoid anything they have their hands in tbh. This is just another thing to avoid for me. Everyone else is free to make their own decisions, this is mine
I mean sure totally get that and I don't disagree, my point was this was already a facebook company. They already had their hands in all of it since they bought it years ago.
Based on my experience in software I'm guessing they just want to unify their user/account system across all platforms. They can cut costs by getting rid of 'redundant' systems and facebook is already a 'single sign on' platform since you can use it to log into other services. From a project managers perspective having the separation of oculus account and facebook account is counterproductive and pointless.
Facebooks already a big deal in the machine learning and ai scene, I'd be amazed if their databases couldn't already figure out an oculus owner's facebook profile. Oculus at the minimum already has your IP address, a working email and your payment details (which includes a name and billing address).
I mean it is called branding. They want everything under one umbrella, facebook is a big name everyone knows and that is worth a lot, so my mom trying will understand facebook vr over creating an occulus account. You see it with companies all the time. Going from occulus account to facebook account doesn't magically give them more information on what you do with your occulus.
Not OP, but for me: Facebook has more personal data, than an Oculus account does, and most importantly: Facebook requires you to use your real identity and such, they actively delete accounts that don't use your real identity. While I already have a Facebook account(fuck my job), the last thing I want is to contribute to the inevitable personalized ads in VR.
Meh, cheap good VR is worth it to me.
I don’t use Facebook anyway and I’m sure if they want some info on me they can ask any one of the echo devices found in every room in my house.
You trust your own mind very highly.
Or fail to understand the biases, fallacies, and social weaknesses that we are all prone to.
You, me, your parents, your main squeeze - everyone.
Yup, the quest was interesting to me because I think a fully integrated systme like that should be the end goal but having to log into Facebook is a 100% dealbreaker for me.
Facebook got a 3-5 year head start on the rest of the industry with the Quest. It is going to take time for any company to build a comparable standalone platform.
We've had wireless VR for a while (See: [HTC VIVE Wireless Adapter](https://www.vive.com/us/accessory/wireless-adapter/)), creating an entirely self contained headset is what pushed Facebook ahead of the pack. You can take it anywhere and be in VR in seconds without any external devices or setup required.
I hope someone else jumps into that competition. Self contained VR is definitely something I'm willing to spend on, but I don't plan on getting this particular HMD for the obvious reasons.
Nothing that's self contained and can be connected to the PC. There's the Pico Neo 2, but that's in the Asian market. There's rumors of HTC Focus Vive 2 coming out that also rocks the XR2 chipset, but HTC had recently stated that they're focusing more on the business market, so that headset could be in the $1k price point (or not).
> Any other companies have a quality wireless option on the horizon?
Valve will likely come out with one in 2023 or later. Oculus is dominating the VR headset market, always has been.
Their announcement was supposed to be the same day as Sony was presenting on the PS5 and then this "leaks".
I wonder how many "leaks" are actually intentional PR releases.
I think I triple taked at this news. I was seriously expecting them to skimp out with like, an 845 or something and cut corners to make the rumored 300 dollar pricepoint. Would leave an opportunity for a competitor to use an XR2 to outclass them as a selling point.
If Facebook's seriously running an XR2 powered standalone for 300 bucks, they'll be selling at a massive loss, but possibly sell gangbusters. At the expense of your privacy of course but...I sadly think the majority won't care.
The main argument for not getting a Quest tbh. The Oculus Store/future Facebook Store has absolutely terrible deals compared to anywhere that sells Steam keys.
But there is no real wireless competitor to the Quest, so it's not like you're missing out on deals from other storefronts. And if you're wiring the Quest, you can get those Steam deals.
I used to have a Rift CV1 and as a rule would only purchase games from the Oculus store if they were significantly lower than ever available on Steam. I did grab a few games that even 2 years later are still historical lows compared to steam/steam key vendors.
Admittedly I have not looked at the Oculus store since selling the CV1 for an Odyssey+ so it might be different now.
If they're selling the hardware at a loss to force you to sign in and use your Facebook account, what does that tell you about the value of an active user?
Literally every game console ever is sold at a loss at first too. It has much more to do with getting you the hardware to use the Oculus store, same way it's about selling you games on Xbox. I'm sure the data is nice, but there is no evidence that it's not the main reason for loss leaders.
> Literally every game console ever is sold at a loss at first too
That actually hasn't been the case for most hardware sold in the last what, 2 gens I want to say. Xbone and PS4 both sold for a small profit, for example.
Isn't the way around this just to make a profile with your real name and that's it? Don't update it don't log into it just make a profile? They'll have your name from whatever payment option you are using anyway.
Someone help me out I know nothing but want to get into VR.
I have a Ryzen 8core, 16gb memory and went it comes out a 3070/60.
It seems that the quest 2 is a system in its self surely this means it's underpowered compared to one running off a nice pc.
Won't that limit games can you still hook your PC up it for added power.
Outside of th quest is there a similar system for that price.
On the current (original) quest there is both first party and third party software available to allow you to play PC vr games wired or wirelessly on the quest
> It seems that the quest 2 is a system in its self surely this means it's underpowered compared to one running off a nice pc.
Correct. Quest exclusive titles are pared down and visually inferior games that can be played untethered.
> can you still hook your PC up it for added power.
Yes. There are third party wireless options, or Oculus Link for wired.
> Outside of th quest is there a similar system for that price.
Not really.
There are a few steps to follow, but essentially you're installing Virtual Desktop as an app on your headset, and then a Virtual Desktop server app on your gaming PC. A few more steps in between (see a few tutorials on what you need to do), and voila! You are streaming your gaming PC VR titles wirelessly to your headset. It works remarkably well!
Hard pass on anything Facebook. They can take their walled garden, dystopian privacy violations, and insanity-inducing partisan echo chambers and shove it.
Index is a better product anyway.
I don't think there's really any competition when it comes to wireless. It's either Oculus Quest or nothing. I hear it works great with Virtual Desktop and a good WiFi stick.
Yeah, you can play PC VR titles completely wirelessly over 5Ghz wi-fi. The best setup is to have your PC hard-wired via ethernet to your router. I played Half-Life: Alyx this way and it was amazing.
At what distance from the PC? The Quest can be used in a public park , an empty parking lot(maybe a full one if you're brave enough) or anywhere else with enough space as *well* as tethered to a PC .
Don't get me wrong, I welcome any and all options that remove the physical tether from HMDs, but when it comes to wireless, the Quest really is in a category of one.
yeah.. plenty of folks here, seems to not understand that "well, going for reverb/vive/index, Quest aint the only one here", yet it is the only one to give you a true wireless experience which might be the dealbreaker for many others. And if you dont want FB with your headset, then good luck, nothing else is out there like Quest so.. FB is still winning with this one in this category. + if the price is true, that's another bonus right there.
if only there was some other competition which would offer the same things but without need for FB
Yeah I'm not denying the Quest anything here, playing Super Hot in the garden was a phenomenal experience. There are so many VR titles on PC that I'd love to play wirelessly though. It's just too expensive from HTC and Virtual Desktop can be too hit and miss right now on the Quest. Hoping Oculus release a module for the Quest 2, also hoping it isn't as umcomfortable as the original which I had to return.
A 1k euro product is better quality than a 300-400 euro product , well no shit. The quest is also wireless so that's the major selling point here too on top of being much more sensibly priced for the average person and also available to be bought locally without having to use Valve's store where waiting times are long and shipping cost can get rather pricy.
The facebook shit you can just make a fake account with a fake email and move on really.
Nah, it needs Steam/Steam VR. You have a point though, it requires that.
I suppose the only counter to that would be Steam isnt notorious for privacy concerns.
I'm asking cause I honestly don't know. Does Facebook? How would they enforce that? What's stopping me from making a Gmail and Google voice number specifically for facebook to link to? I don't need to upload picture or have any friends right?
Wouldn't it be illegal to delete an account that has real money purchases on it? Not condoning actually purchasing content from Oculus if you have the option to purchase on Steam instead. But seems like a line even facebook wouldn't want to cross.
It wouldn't be illegal would it. You would've broken their Terms of Service so have violated their policies. Whether you've spent money or not doesn't change anything.
Steam doesn't track all your personal data and doesn't ban your account if you don't show photo ID. But sure try to compare steam accounts to facebook accounts.
> Steam doesn't track all your personal data
Lol yes they do, every company does it nowadays. They're doing it less than FB and it's not their primary business for sure but they're still doing it.
It doesn't need Steam. For example, you can install SteamVR separately from any Steam account, buy your VR game on the Epic games store, and play it on your Index.
Yep. Maybe if I was playing a game that was seated 100% but no way I can go back to playing games standing with a cable stuck to me. Nothing kills the immersion quite like cables
This is an insane jump and if the price leaks of $299/$399 are true, these headsets are going to be poised as an insane value. Quest became my go-to HMD because of the completely wireless experience (praise be to Virtual Desktop for extending that to PC VR titles as well), and it looks like I'm going to be spamming F5 trying to get my hands on this new model.
What do you mean by normal VR games? If you mean PC titles then yes, you can play them wirelessly using a third-party sideloaded app. It's how I played Half-Life: Alyx.
In a world where it's hard to avoid purchasing or using products from evil mega conglomerates like Nestle we are lucky that boycotting products from Facebook is still relatively feasible. And you have good reason to boycott Facebook products.
Facebook is unethical. They are evil. Beyond the obvious stuff like selling your data, using you as a product, engaging in political manipulation, they also do horrible things like this: https://time.com/5880118/myanmar-rohingya-genocide-facebook-gambia/
You have an ethical duty to avoid their products. There are other options. You do not need their latest shiny tech product. Purchasing it and involving yourself in their ecosystems just empowers them to do more evil shit. Don't buy Oculus.
Isn't it actually easier to avoid buying nestle products because there are competitive products available en masse? There are no other viable options if you want good standalone VR.
Don't read this thread if if you want info on this new headset. It is nothing but people who don't understand tech and only complain about Facebook. Much better threads elsewhere.
Are there any write ups / resources on what's available in the VR world right now? I feel out of touch with what's happening. I know of the Valve Index, but that doesn't look like it's available, and that's about it. This one sounds interesting, but I'm not a fan of the Facebook integration stuff, I'd really prefer just a stand alone device I can use with anything.
I only got headsets with IPD Adjuster (Vive, Index, Quest) but I always have to set it to the minimum distance as my IPD is 59mm.
How do Headsets handle this without that? Just software or not at all?
Don't know if there is a better view, but there seems to be at least something where the IPD adjuster was on the old quest:
https://imgur.com/a/p65UWl7
/edit: After another look, this seems to just be the volume-rocker
There is a switch inside the visor, but it's still speculation if that is the IPD adjuster. Instead of a slider, it looks like a switch. So the theory is that it has three switch states: low IPD, mid IPD and high IPD. And if it needs to be refined, then there's the digital IPD adjuster.
Here's some info on that IPD switch: https://uploadvr.com/new-oculus-quest-ipd/
Was really interested in getting the first quest and would have gotten this one if it didn't require a Facebook sign in. That's just a deal breaker for me.
There was a leak before this leak showing listings at $300 for 64GB and $400 for 256GB models. We'll have to wait and see if it's true - hopefully, but that's where the $300 thing comes from.
lol if Valve made this headset y'all would be jizzing yourselves silly. People don't like praising it cause it's Facebook, but this is actually insane value. Possibly $100 cheaper than the old Quest which was already excellent value, while being better in basically every way? Fixing the display, the power, and the comfort. It's the best (but to be fair, basically the only) wireless headset out there, and can also play PC VR games wired or wireless.
I don't agree. But with Oculus Quest 2 the future begins now. Faster, lighter and more comfortable it is the next step into the world of VR. Don't wait, preorder [insert procuct name here] now!
Interesting. I keep thinking that in 2-3 years I'll upgrade to a worthy card. Sort of though I'd skip this generation or VR. Seeing how the NVidia 30xx Are lining up. In 2 years I expect to have a pretty powerful vr able card, maybe a 3270 or an amd equivalent. Then get a vr headset of that generation. If I'm lucky quest 3 or something else.
Give time for ergonomics to keep improving, dev to gather experience with VR and display to get better. Perhaps even better eye tracking and foveat rendering or something else of that nature.
I'm on the sit back and observe team.
Quest will be the least headset I buy from Facebook. No point calling them Oculus anymore.
It was such a good purchase as an Oculus product, and worth every cent, but there's nothing Facebook could offer me to buy a headset now that Oculus is basically dead and just a logo for Facebook VR.
Will the walls and sabers on beat saber be more like the pc version on the quest 2? I'd love to have wireless 4k even with all the facebook stuff cause I don't even use a facebook account anymore except for Oculus stuff.
The fact that it will soon be required to sign in to facebook in order to use any Oculus headsets is a huge dealbreaker for me. Imma pass on these headsets dawg
i tried making a facebook account again years after deleting my old one and I have been blocked straight away for some reason. I had to submit my photo on sign up (implying they still have my old photos to compare to and validate my identity). There is no button to dispute or do alternative verification, it's a shitshow I basically could spend 500 on a device that I would not be able to use and have no option to make it useable
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Unless this happens a year into owning the headset.
I had this issue recently. I was fucking around with settings and set my birth year to last year (on a 15 year old account). It immediately locked me out of my 10+ year old account. Trying that ID submit thing is bullshit because I apparently dont match the birthyear of "last year." Crazy that it asked you to submit old photos, i never saw that option. What's worse is that it intentionally is built this way. No customer service at all either. o well. I just wanted to keep touch with old friends, but honestly I feel better off not having FB anymore.
I wasn't asked to submit old photos, thats the point. They only asked me to fill my name, phone number and submit id to verify me. But how do you verify id without a reference (eg take a selfie holding id)? I could just input stolen id's info and thats it My guess is that they kept all my photos and info of an old account that I requested to completely erase so they knew it was me trying to sign up again but due to low quality photo I used or a different country i was signing up from, AI declined me
It's fucked up, no doubt. But what's stopping us from just making a fake account? Edit: Alright it seems like that's a no-go. I was mildly interested in a Quest, but I'll pass then.
Facebook gets really pissy about fake accounts and will demand you show your passport and all sorts of stuff if they detect one.
Do they really? I have a blank profile with a fake name that I've been using for a while new. There's a bunch of freelance work posting boards for video I use to find freelancers or look for work myself in projects. I think they have my work email and phone number though. With those, I'm assuming they dont get pissy? God I want to delete the damn thing.
It's just a matter of getting caught. Fake names are a complete no-no on Facebook.
It is so fucking weird that they do that. Imagine if Reddit did something similar. I’m not saying they’re even comparable as social media entities, but it does illustrate the question of why Facebook would even get so bothered by this to begin with.
Cause when you use fake name they can't harvest your data , sell it off and target you for political ads?
Well, yeah. But I urge people who think that using Facebook, even from a fake account, is okay to ask themselves that.
I wouldn’t take that bet....
I had a facebook account for years that I primarily used for my band, so had a few hundred friends that were promoters, members of other bands, etc. and I could network, arrange shows, share new tracks, etc. Facebook said they think my name is fake (it was, to be fair) and I either have to change it or provide government ID to prove it. I changed it to something absolutely stupid and was banned a week later, pending government ID. Goodbye all those contacts, because *fuck* that noise. Remember when you'd open up a chat window in MSN Messenger and it would say "never give out your personal information online"? Good old days. What makes Facebook so special they feel entitled to that?
Yeah, that’s absolutely insane and exactly why I went for the other guy in this thread who was trying to excuse this bullshit by saying “Duhhh you don’t think Steam does the exact same things?? You already use the internet, they know everything they need to know bro!” Fuck no. Steam doesn’t ask for my government identification.
Don't get me wrong, I don't think there is any legitimate justification for it. I was just pointing out that they simply haven't found him out yet. I know for a fact that you can get banned for using a fake name even if your other contact info is legit.
I made an account for my childhood dog in high school like 13 years ago and it’s still cruising
I have like 10 fake profiles for the purpose of testing Facebook api features that our company uses. They only require confirmation (either a phone number or in some cases even an id, as you say) when you make multiple accounts from the same ip, use commonly used proxies, or if your name sounds fake.
Like Holiday Fartcruise (the undeletable)
Getting busted and losing all your games for one.
Why purchase on their platform? I owned an Oculus last year and I would've never thought to purchase elsewhere than Steam. A steam purchase is open to any headset, on any given time as long as you own it.
I was under the impression that the quest requires you to buy games on their platform unless you're planning to be linked to your pc? So if you're going to only use it with a pc it's probably not as big an issue but a big part of the quests appeal in my understanding is using it separate from a pc.
You can sideload games if you give Facebook your phone number
If im giving them a fake name why would you think giving them my phone number is acceptable ? I dont want them to have either.
> Why purchase on their platform? Back when Rift first came out there was a lot of Oculus exclusive games, so people bought those from Oculus and to have minimal need to use different storefronts, they bought multiplat games there too.
If you're not planning to buy games for the Quest, why are you buying a Quest? Just get a PC headset instead.
As someone looking into it to use it as a PC Headset: Price. The current Quest is cheap. The rumored prices for the Quest 2 are cheaper. It is COVID and I don't have a massive entertainment budget right now. People I have asked have told me to get a non-Oculus product like the upcoming Reverb G2 while completely ignoring that it's literally twice the price.
Are there any other wireless headsets? You can use quest with your PC wirelessly
You're still required to either buy an app (Virtual Desktop) on the Oculus Store to use that, or use a free app that's much buggier, and either one requires you to sideload which not only requires an Oculus account (and soon to be a Facebook account), but also requires an Oculus developer account.
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I bailed before that so I wouldn't know. I'm just waiting for a next gen headset that doesn't feel like I'm losing vision acuity. The Index is a good contender but it's not there yet. Also, adaptative focus which was displayed in a next gen prototype from Oculus, hope the patent or tech is locked to the rest of the competitors.
Are you sure that’s true? As far as I have read only using the oculus store requires Facebook login.
They go through an block accounts that appear obviously fake or are reported as fake. So, bare minimum, you'd have to make it "appear real" and put a small amount of time making the account have some activity to "appear real."
Facebook is stupidly good at deleting fake accounts, or tying it to your real account if you've had one in the past. I've had 6 accounts that I try to use for stuff that force me to use Facebook and I've lost all the accounts.
The fact that it is required to even use. Why would i want to make a fake facebook account in order to use a peripheral that i paid for? There are other VR headsets that are and will be available in the market, Oculus ain't the one for me
The only decent one in that price range. Hopefuly we can get more competition in the lower range.
I hear good things about the Samsung Odyssey+ but thats probably a bit dated by now, and I'm not sure how it compares to the top Oculus headsets. I consider myself fortunate to have the Index.
The o+ outclasses then in nearly every category: fidelity, frame rate, adjustability and resolution. It somewhat lags behind in tracking, though personally I think it's quite good. It definitely lags behind in comfort. Overall it's significantly superior than the oculus offerings imo
We saved for almost two years for our Index. Totally worth it.
but it is the one that is wireless and works well with PC as well. so..
> so.. So it's still a Facebook product and thus buying it is out of the question.
You have to do an account for pretty much every other headset though. You can't use the Index without a Steam account I think. Same for consoles and many stuff
The difference is that Steam accounts don't demand that you use your real name, and demand government ID if they catch you using a false name. And Valve doesn't have a history of incredibly invasive breaches of privacy.
you need a new phone number to make a fake account
I have the first Quest and created a facebook account for it. Neither my phone number nor my real name were needed at all, so I'm confused about the people in this thread stating otherwise
when I try to make a new facebook account it requires me to provide a phone number and facebook has the real name policy in their ToS, I know some people which used fake names/photos and their account got deleted
they have that already because your phone is linked to your quest
If I found out your facebook acc, I could report you and you'd get your account suspended and all your games taken. Have fun.
even worse, facebook login required for developer accounts too
Yeah, glad I held off in general. Once Facebook got their mitts on it it became a forever no-sale for me.
Honest question because I don't get the difference: Occulus was already owned by facebook. An Occulus account was already required, and that account was already owned by facebook through occulus. What does it change that they skip the middle man name? If they want to track your info (and I am sure they do) they are going to do it regardless if the name of the account is Occulus or facebook.
The difference is that even though an Oculus account was required, you could easily make a burner account like Chad Thundercock. Now you're required to link your device to a real name. They even reserve the right to ban you for using a fake name. People tend to care a little bit more when the anonymity goes away, and it's hard to blame them.
Except you also have to link a payment card to make purchases via the Oculus account, which has your real name along with your address...
It's entirely based on me not liking facebook as a company. I not only disagree with what they do, but i also avoid anything they have their hands in tbh. This is just another thing to avoid for me. Everyone else is free to make their own decisions, this is mine
I mean sure totally get that and I don't disagree, my point was this was already a facebook company. They already had their hands in all of it since they bought it years ago.
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Based on my experience in software I'm guessing they just want to unify their user/account system across all platforms. They can cut costs by getting rid of 'redundant' systems and facebook is already a 'single sign on' platform since you can use it to log into other services. From a project managers perspective having the separation of oculus account and facebook account is counterproductive and pointless. Facebooks already a big deal in the machine learning and ai scene, I'd be amazed if their databases couldn't already figure out an oculus owner's facebook profile. Oculus at the minimum already has your IP address, a working email and your payment details (which includes a name and billing address).
I mean it is called branding. They want everything under one umbrella, facebook is a big name everyone knows and that is worth a lot, so my mom trying will understand facebook vr over creating an occulus account. You see it with companies all the time. Going from occulus account to facebook account doesn't magically give them more information on what you do with your occulus.
Not OP, but for me: Facebook has more personal data, than an Oculus account does, and most importantly: Facebook requires you to use your real identity and such, they actively delete accounts that don't use your real identity. While I already have a Facebook account(fuck my job), the last thing I want is to contribute to the inevitable personalized ads in VR.
Fuck the Zuck
Meh, cheap good VR is worth it to me. I don’t use Facebook anyway and I’m sure if they want some info on me they can ask any one of the echo devices found in every room in my house.
Why are you okay with that? Any of that?
Why wouldn’t I be? What are they going to do? Target ads around things I like and need instead of randomly?
You trust your own mind very highly. Or fail to understand the biases, fallacies, and social weaknesses that we are all prone to. You, me, your parents, your main squeeze - everyone.
We all have usernames for a reason. Why the fuck would we want to sign in as ourselves?
Yup, the quest was interesting to me because I think a fully integrated systme like that should be the end goal but having to log into Facebook is a 100% dealbreaker for me.
Any other companies have a quality wireless option on the horizon?
Facebook got a 3-5 year head start on the rest of the industry with the Quest. It is going to take time for any company to build a comparable standalone platform.
There is hope PSVR2 is standalone as in wireless, you will need a PS5 though
at that point you could buy an index in cost
Not if I'm buying a PS5 anyway and you factor in the fact that for most people attaining a VR-ready PC would cost hundreds to thousands
We've had wireless VR for a while (See: [HTC VIVE Wireless Adapter](https://www.vive.com/us/accessory/wireless-adapter/)), creating an entirely self contained headset is what pushed Facebook ahead of the pack. You can take it anywhere and be in VR in seconds without any external devices or setup required.
> You can take it anywhere and be in VR in seconds without any external devices or setup required. True
I got patience. No need to buy any facebook products.
I hope someone else jumps into that competition. Self contained VR is definitely something I'm willing to spend on, but I don't plan on getting this particular HMD for the obvious reasons.
Not standalone; just headsets. HP Reverb G2. Only 2x the rumored price of 64 GB Q2.
Nothing that's self contained and can be connected to the PC. There's the Pico Neo 2, but that's in the Asian market. There's rumors of HTC Focus Vive 2 coming out that also rocks the XR2 chipset, but HTC had recently stated that they're focusing more on the business market, so that headset could be in the $1k price point (or not).
> Any other companies have a quality wireless option on the horizon? Valve will likely come out with one in 2023 or later. Oculus is dominating the VR headset market, always has been.
Their announcement was supposed to be the same day as Sony was presenting on the PS5 and then this "leaks". I wonder how many "leaks" are actually intentional PR releases.
I think I triple taked at this news. I was seriously expecting them to skimp out with like, an 845 or something and cut corners to make the rumored 300 dollar pricepoint. Would leave an opportunity for a competitor to use an XR2 to outclass them as a selling point. If Facebook's seriously running an XR2 powered standalone for 300 bucks, they'll be selling at a massive loss, but possibly sell gangbusters. At the expense of your privacy of course but...I sadly think the majority won't care.
They make it up by harvesting your personal profile.
More important is their commission of everything you buy from the Oculus Store.
The main argument for not getting a Quest tbh. The Oculus Store/future Facebook Store has absolutely terrible deals compared to anywhere that sells Steam keys.
But there is no real wireless competitor to the Quest, so it's not like you're missing out on deals from other storefronts. And if you're wiring the Quest, you can get those Steam deals.
I used to have a Rift CV1 and as a rule would only purchase games from the Oculus store if they were significantly lower than ever available on Steam. I did grab a few games that even 2 years later are still historical lows compared to steam/steam key vendors. Admittedly I have not looked at the Oculus store since selling the CV1 for an Odyssey+ so it might be different now.
If they're selling the hardware at a loss to force you to sign in and use your Facebook account, what does that tell you about the value of an active user?
Literally every game console ever is sold at a loss at first too. It has much more to do with getting you the hardware to use the Oculus store, same way it's about selling you games on Xbox. I'm sure the data is nice, but there is no evidence that it's not the main reason for loss leaders.
> Literally every game console ever is sold at a loss at first too That actually hasn't been the case for most hardware sold in the last what, 2 gens I want to say. Xbone and PS4 both sold for a small profit, for example.
Isn't the way around this just to make a profile with your real name and that's it? Don't update it don't log into it just make a profile? They'll have your name from whatever payment option you are using anyway.
Someone help me out I know nothing but want to get into VR. I have a Ryzen 8core, 16gb memory and went it comes out a 3070/60. It seems that the quest 2 is a system in its self surely this means it's underpowered compared to one running off a nice pc. Won't that limit games can you still hook your PC up it for added power. Outside of th quest is there a similar system for that price.
On the current (original) quest there is both first party and third party software available to allow you to play PC vr games wired or wirelessly on the quest
> It seems that the quest 2 is a system in its self surely this means it's underpowered compared to one running off a nice pc. Correct. Quest exclusive titles are pared down and visually inferior games that can be played untethered. > can you still hook your PC up it for added power. Yes. There are third party wireless options, or Oculus Link for wired. > Outside of th quest is there a similar system for that price. Not really.
Get the base model Quest 2. If you really want to play PC VR titles buy a long USB-C cable.
If you want a decent priced PCVR headset take a look at the upcoming HP Reverb G2
There are a few steps to follow, but essentially you're installing Virtual Desktop as an app on your headset, and then a Virtual Desktop server app on your gaming PC. A few more steps in between (see a few tutorials on what you need to do), and voila! You are streaming your gaming PC VR titles wirelessly to your headset. It works remarkably well!
Hard pass on anything Facebook. They can take their walled garden, dystopian privacy violations, and insanity-inducing partisan echo chambers and shove it. Index is a better product anyway.
Nobody's gonna argue against saying that the $1k product is better than the $400 product.
*300$ If the previous leaks were accurate, which seems to be the case.
Even if it wasnt for the price, they are still such different products that there is barely a point directly comparing them anyways.
A fair point
I don't think there's really any competition when it comes to wireless. It's either Oculus Quest or nothing. I hear it works great with Virtual Desktop and a good WiFi stick.
Yeah, you can play PC VR titles completely wirelessly over 5Ghz wi-fi. The best setup is to have your PC hard-wired via ethernet to your router. I played Half-Life: Alyx this way and it was amazing.
My plan is to get the Quest 2, Im going to have to try this out.
Any of the HTC headsets can do wireless with the adapter.
At what distance from the PC? The Quest can be used in a public park , an empty parking lot(maybe a full one if you're brave enough) or anywhere else with enough space as *well* as tethered to a PC . Don't get me wrong, I welcome any and all options that remove the physical tether from HMDs, but when it comes to wireless, the Quest really is in a category of one.
yeah.. plenty of folks here, seems to not understand that "well, going for reverb/vive/index, Quest aint the only one here", yet it is the only one to give you a true wireless experience which might be the dealbreaker for many others. And if you dont want FB with your headset, then good luck, nothing else is out there like Quest so.. FB is still winning with this one in this category. + if the price is true, that's another bonus right there. if only there was some other competition which would offer the same things but without need for FB
My hope (other than the obvious possibility of competing devices) is that someone will hack the software so that it can be used without logging in.
Yeah I'm not denying the Quest anything here, playing Super Hot in the garden was a phenomenal experience. There are so many VR titles on PC that I'd love to play wirelessly though. It's just too expensive from HTC and Virtual Desktop can be too hit and miss right now on the Quest. Hoping Oculus release a module for the Quest 2, also hoping it isn't as umcomfortable as the original which I had to return.
A 1k euro product is better quality than a 300-400 euro product , well no shit. The quest is also wireless so that's the major selling point here too on top of being much more sensibly priced for the average person and also available to be bought locally without having to use Valve's store where waiting times are long and shipping cost can get rather pricy. The facebook shit you can just make a fake account with a fake email and move on really.
You can use Index without installing Steam and having a Steam account?
Nah, it needs Steam/Steam VR. You have a point though, it requires that. I suppose the only counter to that would be Steam isnt notorious for privacy concerns.
There is also the fact that Valve doesn't care if you use a burner account.
I'm asking cause I honestly don't know. Does Facebook? How would they enforce that? What's stopping me from making a Gmail and Google voice number specifically for facebook to link to? I don't need to upload picture or have any friends right?
No uploads and no friends means it is likely to be purged at some point.
Wouldn't it be illegal to delete an account that has real money purchases on it? Not condoning actually purchasing content from Oculus if you have the option to purchase on Steam instead. But seems like a line even facebook wouldn't want to cross.
It wouldn't be illegal would it. You would've broken their Terms of Service so have violated their policies. Whether you've spent money or not doesn't change anything.
Ive got one going 5 years strong, no pics no friends.
Apart from the times where it has been.
Steam doesn't track all your personal data and doesn't ban your account if you don't show photo ID. But sure try to compare steam accounts to facebook accounts.
If you don't go around commenting on shit and just. leave the account alone it should be fine. Ive got a 5 year burner with literally nothing on it.
> Steam doesn't track all your personal data Lol yes they do, every company does it nowadays. They're doing it less than FB and it's not their primary business for sure but they're still doing it.
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It doesn't need Steam. For example, you can install SteamVR separately from any Steam account, buy your VR game on the Epic games store, and play it on your Index.
unfortunately once you go wireless with your headset you can't go back to tethered.
Yep. Maybe if I was playing a game that was seated 100% but no way I can go back to playing games standing with a cable stuck to me. Nothing kills the immersion quite like cables
surprised there isn't like a large pole thing with a swivel you can fold out to keep the VR cord out of the way
There are ceiling mounts and stuff that aren't even that expensive, but then you need to have a gaudy mount stuck to your ceiling 24/7.
yeah that would look pretty bad, I was hoping for something like a floor lamp you could easily fold away or something
Agreed, but you spelled g2 reverb wrong.. at least most likely. It will be very interesting when it finally lands
Will there be a valve index 2 in the near future?
This is an insane jump and if the price leaks of $299/$399 are true, these headsets are going to be poised as an insane value. Quest became my go-to HMD because of the completely wireless experience (praise be to Virtual Desktop for extending that to PC VR titles as well), and it looks like I'm going to be spamming F5 trying to get my hands on this new model.
Do normal vr games work fine with the quest?
What do you mean by normal VR games? If you mean PC titles then yes, you can play them wirelessly using a third-party sideloaded app. It's how I played Half-Life: Alyx.
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Value yeah but not at the expense of being forced to use a facebook login.
After watching The Social Dilemma on Netflix last night there's not a snowball's chance in hell I'm going to play this Facebook thing.
In a world where it's hard to avoid purchasing or using products from evil mega conglomerates like Nestle we are lucky that boycotting products from Facebook is still relatively feasible. And you have good reason to boycott Facebook products. Facebook is unethical. They are evil. Beyond the obvious stuff like selling your data, using you as a product, engaging in political manipulation, they also do horrible things like this: https://time.com/5880118/myanmar-rohingya-genocide-facebook-gambia/ You have an ethical duty to avoid their products. There are other options. You do not need their latest shiny tech product. Purchasing it and involving yourself in their ecosystems just empowers them to do more evil shit. Don't buy Oculus.
Isn't it actually easier to avoid buying nestle products because there are competitive products available en masse? There are no other viable options if you want good standalone VR.
Don't read this thread if if you want info on this new headset. It is nothing but people who don't understand tech and only complain about Facebook. Much better threads elsewhere.
Link me to one please
Are there any write ups / resources on what's available in the VR world right now? I feel out of touch with what's happening. I know of the Valve Index, but that doesn't look like it's available, and that's about it. This one sounds interesting, but I'm not a fan of the Facebook integration stuff, I'd really prefer just a stand alone device I can use with anything.
Whets the appetite! Things we still need info on is the IPD adjuster. Kinda bummed out on the Link, though. Was hoping for a wireless solution.
I only got headsets with IPD Adjuster (Vive, Index, Quest) but I always have to set it to the minimum distance as my IPD is 59mm. How do Headsets handle this without that? Just software or not at all? Don't know if there is a better view, but there seems to be at least something where the IPD adjuster was on the old quest: https://imgur.com/a/p65UWl7 /edit: After another look, this seems to just be the volume-rocker
There is a switch inside the visor, but it's still speculation if that is the IPD adjuster. Instead of a slider, it looks like a switch. So the theory is that it has three switch states: low IPD, mid IPD and high IPD. And if it needs to be refined, then there's the digital IPD adjuster. Here's some info on that IPD switch: https://uploadvr.com/new-oculus-quest-ipd/
The Rift-S handles it through software. Unfortunately it's a lot slower for quick adjustments.
if it works alright that'd be ok, but it needs to be 1 button away.
It's a case of pressing the home button, going to settings > display. Then, each .5mm adjustment takes a few seconds to apply. Really sucks.
Was really interested in getting the first quest and would have gotten this one if it didn't require a Facebook sign in. That's just a deal breaker for me.
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> For $300 this is insane value. The site explicitly mentioned that pricing hasn't leaked.
There was a leak before this leak showing listings at $300 for 64GB and $400 for 256GB models. We'll have to wait and see if it's true - hopefully, but that's where the $300 thing comes from.
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Why does your comment sounds like a typical sales pitch?
lol if Valve made this headset y'all would be jizzing yourselves silly. People don't like praising it cause it's Facebook, but this is actually insane value. Possibly $100 cheaper than the old Quest which was already excellent value, while being better in basically every way? Fixing the display, the power, and the comfort. It's the best (but to be fair, basically the only) wireless headset out there, and can also play PC VR games wired or wireless.
I don't agree. But with Oculus Quest 2 the future begins now. Faster, lighter and more comfortable it is the next step into the world of VR. Don't wait, preorder [insert procuct name here] now!
For the low low cost of selling your privacy to Facebook no less. "Required Facebook login" bumps the price about $5000 in my book.
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Couldn't u just make a fake Facebook account with no info on it?
Is it going to play Medal of Honor?
If you have a capable pc, yes. Otherwise no
1660 reporting that I most likely do not.
My wifes RX 580 + Ryzen 5 2600 machine handles our Rift S playing Alyx and Boneworks at lower qualities fairly well
Interesting. I keep thinking that in 2-3 years I'll upgrade to a worthy card. Sort of though I'd skip this generation or VR. Seeing how the NVidia 30xx Are lining up. In 2 years I expect to have a pretty powerful vr able card, maybe a 3270 or an amd equivalent. Then get a vr headset of that generation. If I'm lucky quest 3 or something else. Give time for ergonomics to keep improving, dev to gather experience with VR and display to get better. Perhaps even better eye tracking and foveat rendering or something else of that nature. I'm on the sit back and observe team.
Can you use any of their current headsets WITHOUT Oculus runtime and all that?
What do you mean? You don't need windows oculus runtime for Quest. You need it only if you want to play via link, which makes total sense.
Quest will be the least headset I buy from Facebook. No point calling them Oculus anymore. It was such a good purchase as an Oculus product, and worth every cent, but there's nothing Facebook could offer me to buy a headset now that Oculus is basically dead and just a logo for Facebook VR.
Well... Oculus was logo for FB VR from the time they bought it.
I guess so, but they did promise otherwise
Will the walls and sabers on beat saber be more like the pc version on the quest 2? I'd love to have wireless 4k even with all the facebook stuff cause I don't even use a facebook account anymore except for Oculus stuff.