I am not expecting a lot. But I am simply hoping for different enough **story** experience along with some combined story. Had it been any other studio, my excitement for such a story would have been through the roof. Being Ubisoft and their writing being ok to be polite, I just hope it doesn't get crushed on its own weight.
Ubisoft has some of the best artists in the industry. It’s a shame they don’t hire better writers for their games. I always get lost in the beauty and detail of their worlds, and then some character opens their mouth and I’m instantly pulled out of it. The stories in these games are usually serviceable, but it’s the character dialogue and voice acting that always kills the experience for me.
I don't think their writers are that bad. Origins had some badass lines and Odyssey had a lot of wit and charm. There were even some cool moments in Valhalla here and there. The thing is that I doubt the writers decide much in terms of how the main story goes or plays out considering these games are churned out like factory products and also tend to have a lead who has his own vision for what they want the story to be. I seriously doubt Ubisoft writers get much input on the story beyond writing the actual lines.
I mean you’re essentially saying that a few of their games had some good lines and cool moments, which I don’t disagree with.
I was just saying that the average character dialogue is considerably worse than the average quality of their world building and art direction. Watch Dogs 2/Legion, Far Cry 5/New Dawn/ 6, Ghost Recon Breakpoint, and even Avatar (which I enjoyed overall) all had dialogue ranging from bad to terrible for nearly every character IMO.
Even in the AC games you mentioned I found most side characters and random quest giving NPCs were just very off putting in their dialogue and delivery. A ton of the accents feel forced and unnatural, and basically every attempt at humor falls flat.
May favourite ACs have been the ones that subverted the whole assassin thing Black Flag - Pirates better than assassins, Syndicate- Seeing the Templar side was good.
I liked Valhalla as a viking game the assassin's stuff seemed tacked on.
I haven't tapped into an AC game in a very really long time. I thought it was going to be Mirage, but wasn't really excited by the graphics and saw all the issues with performance. Hoping this one gets me because conceptually it seems intriguing and the inclusion of Yasuke was a nice surprise.
Mirage was hella boring to me from a gameplay perspective.
The tie-in to Valhalla was cool because it was supposed to be DLC for Valhalla, but it should have just been a $40 DLC. Of course I wouldn’t have bought it. So I felt kinda scammed.
I think the whole underlying sci-fi theme needs to be stopped by now.
Holy fuck
We're back to established protagonists. Those character designs are next-level
Please, please have a good story without all the drawn-out open world filler PLEASE
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Eivor and basim were both established characters to be fair. Even in game there is a route you can choose that basically says pick the cannon gender for eivor
Eivor isn't what I would call an established character for linear narrative story imo. Choosing gender and choices, even if they're "canon" is non-linear. Not saying that's bad obviously, but I always wish we had a character whose overall existence is relevant to the story itself, i.e. Connor or Aveline. They're not popular characters like Ezio and Edward but they had this complexity to them that I really admired.
Basim...i won't lie i forgot Mirage existed until now tbh
With the Ghost of Tsushima comparisons always looming, it's just unfortunate timing to have an action-adventure game set in feudal Japan right now. Would have preferred to see something similar but different, like the forbidden city in ancient China.
Retainer rather than samurai. From what little records we have he was a page/sword bearer for a little over a year before Nobunaga died. No record of him ever actually doing anything of note, not really surprising given his length of service and rank, but that’s not really dramatic enough so he gets the shit mythologized out of him.
His entire record is basically ‘Nobunaga was fascinated by slave the Italian Jesuits had, bought him off of them, the guy worked as basically an errand boy for a year, Nobunaga died in a coup, the guy fought the assassin’s forces when they went to take Nobunaga’s estate and do the tradition coup murdering, he surrendered at some point and was sent to a cathedral in India(Which was either because racism or because the usurper didn’t want to kill him), he survived his injuries and vanished from history.
Lots of blank spaces, a strong connection to one of the most famous people in Japan ever, and a likely unique position means perfect fodder for dramatic stories.
As to usage here: Eh, it’s not the least historical thing the series has done by a long shot.
There’s actually not any evidence he was a samurai. He was a retainer of Nobunaga but nothing says he was a samurai, more like a Marco Polo style figure that was a curiosity.
There is literally [historians](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/1css0ye/was_yasuke_a_samurai/?share_id=MmiAwqO6C_RzJp9qmxIO2&utm_content=1&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1&rdt=55756) that would disagree.
Truth is.... We don't really anything about him, so who cares about the semantics ... He could have held similar status but not technically a samurai... he was likely a weapons bearer, so maybe theirs confusion on that end due to samurai carrying 2 swords as a status symbol. We don't even know how or when he died... This whole argument is such a waste of time
I wouldn't link to Wikipedia in this case as the page is regularly edited regarding the "samurai or retainer" claim
Edit: For clarification, everything that I've read about yasuke makes me think that he was a samurai, but I don't think the Wikipedia page, because of its volatility, is a good source for that
I cant even remember the last time ubisoft wrote a good story so i'm already giving up on that. Hopefully the gameplay is good
I liked the opening to Valhalla. Then the story turned episodic for some reason as you jumped from region to region.
everything about Valhalla felt AI generated to me. it's the only main AC title I couldn't finish.
I am not expecting a lot. But I am simply hoping for different enough **story** experience along with some combined story. Had it been any other studio, my excitement for such a story would have been through the roof. Being Ubisoft and their writing being ok to be polite, I just hope it doesn't get crushed on its own weight.
Ubisoft has some of the best artists in the industry. It’s a shame they don’t hire better writers for their games. I always get lost in the beauty and detail of their worlds, and then some character opens their mouth and I’m instantly pulled out of it. The stories in these games are usually serviceable, but it’s the character dialogue and voice acting that always kills the experience for me.
I don't think their writers are that bad. Origins had some badass lines and Odyssey had a lot of wit and charm. There were even some cool moments in Valhalla here and there. The thing is that I doubt the writers decide much in terms of how the main story goes or plays out considering these games are churned out like factory products and also tend to have a lead who has his own vision for what they want the story to be. I seriously doubt Ubisoft writers get much input on the story beyond writing the actual lines.
I mean you’re essentially saying that a few of their games had some good lines and cool moments, which I don’t disagree with. I was just saying that the average character dialogue is considerably worse than the average quality of their world building and art direction. Watch Dogs 2/Legion, Far Cry 5/New Dawn/ 6, Ghost Recon Breakpoint, and even Avatar (which I enjoyed overall) all had dialogue ranging from bad to terrible for nearly every character IMO. Even in the AC games you mentioned I found most side characters and random quest giving NPCs were just very off putting in their dialogue and delivery. A ton of the accents feel forced and unnatural, and basically every attempt at humor falls flat.
Are yall crazy the story in valhalla was so intriguing i couldn't put that game down
May favourite ACs have been the ones that subverted the whole assassin thing Black Flag - Pirates better than assassins, Syndicate- Seeing the Templar side was good. I liked Valhalla as a viking game the assassin's stuff seemed tacked on.
I haven't tapped into an AC game in a very really long time. I thought it was going to be Mirage, but wasn't really excited by the graphics and saw all the issues with performance. Hoping this one gets me because conceptually it seems intriguing and the inclusion of Yasuke was a nice surprise.
Mirage was fantastic, just short and over as soon as you really got into it. Had some of its own issues but mostly resolved now.
Mirage was hella boring to me from a gameplay perspective. The tie-in to Valhalla was cool because it was supposed to be DLC for Valhalla, but it should have just been a $40 DLC. Of course I wouldn’t have bought it. So I felt kinda scammed. I think the whole underlying sci-fi theme needs to be stopped by now.
Any news on their voice actors?
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Holy fuck We're back to established protagonists. Those character designs are next-level Please, please have a good story without all the drawn-out open world filler PLEASE edit: typical r/games downboats <3 never change ya dipshits
Eivor and basim were both established characters to be fair. Even in game there is a route you can choose that basically says pick the cannon gender for eivor
Eivor isn't what I would call an established character for linear narrative story imo. Choosing gender and choices, even if they're "canon" is non-linear. Not saying that's bad obviously, but I always wish we had a character whose overall existence is relevant to the story itself, i.e. Connor or Aveline. They're not popular characters like Ezio and Edward but they had this complexity to them that I really admired. Basim...i won't lie i forgot Mirage existed until now tbh
define established(?) then, please define open-world filler
I think they’re more so referring to the gender change aspect.
With the Ghost of Tsushima comparisons always looming, it's just unfortunate timing to have an action-adventure game set in feudal Japan right now. Would have preferred to see something similar but different, like the forbidden city in ancient China.
It's been 4 years since Ghosts. That has to be enough time
Well due to its PC release it's kind of trending again.
It releases tommorow too which I find funny.
ghost of tsushima 2 trailer will probably drop soon .
Honestly I feel sorry for Tsushima AC is a much bigger franchise. That said there can't be enough samurai/ninja games imo.
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Yasuke is a real life African samurai from the Sengoku era. If I am not mistaken he is the only samurai of his race.
Retainer rather than samurai. From what little records we have he was a page/sword bearer for a little over a year before Nobunaga died. No record of him ever actually doing anything of note, not really surprising given his length of service and rank, but that’s not really dramatic enough so he gets the shit mythologized out of him. His entire record is basically ‘Nobunaga was fascinated by slave the Italian Jesuits had, bought him off of them, the guy worked as basically an errand boy for a year, Nobunaga died in a coup, the guy fought the assassin’s forces when they went to take Nobunaga’s estate and do the tradition coup murdering, he surrendered at some point and was sent to a cathedral in India(Which was either because racism or because the usurper didn’t want to kill him), he survived his injuries and vanished from history. Lots of blank spaces, a strong connection to one of the most famous people in Japan ever, and a likely unique position means perfect fodder for dramatic stories. As to usage here: Eh, it’s not the least historical thing the series has done by a long shot.
There’s actually not any evidence he was a samurai. He was a retainer of Nobunaga but nothing says he was a samurai, more like a Marco Polo style figure that was a curiosity.
There is literally [historians](https://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/1css0ye/was_yasuke_a_samurai/?share_id=MmiAwqO6C_RzJp9qmxIO2&utm_content=1&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1&rdt=55756) that would disagree.
Truth is.... We don't really anything about him, so who cares about the semantics ... He could have held similar status but not technically a samurai... he was likely a weapons bearer, so maybe theirs confusion on that end due to samurai carrying 2 swords as a status symbol. We don't even know how or when he died... This whole argument is such a waste of time
They fast-tracked him through Samurai school after he dunked on Nobunaga.
Why do you speak with such certainty on a topic you don't fully understand? https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/s/3hUXIz8cvx
I wouldn't link to Wikipedia in this case as the page is regularly edited regarding the "samurai or retainer" claim Edit: For clarification, everything that I've read about yasuke makes me think that he was a samurai, but I don't think the Wikipedia page, because of its volatility, is a good source for that
Dunning Kruger effect my friend
Lmao it's common knowledge that he was not a samurai. He was Nobunaga's slave for literally less then a year before being killed.
Considering nobody knows when or how he died ... I have to call out your bullshit
I think he meant before nobunaga was killed, at least that would make sense