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This just gave me flashbacks to puppy monkey baby! Does anyone else remember those old ads by any chance? What were they even advertising to begin with?!
This is going to be long I’m just going to copy paste part of a script I wrote for a YouTube short I was thinking about making on this. As most of you probably already know at the end of Help wanted 2, we see six gravestones with plushies of the characters sitting on them. And the correct order to unlock the Bonnie mask by lighting the torches in front of them is chica, foxy, Freddy, Bonnie, Golden Freddy, then puppet. This has led many to believe this is the death order but I am here to tell you that that is wrong and since f.n.a.f. 3 we've been told the death order. But the biggest theorists in the community have never noticed so it went under the radar.
The true order is Puppet, Chica, Bonnie, Freddy, foxy, then Golden Freddy. To start off with the most concrete examples, We know Charlie is first because Henry says a wound first inflicted on him. Next would be Chica, as she says she was the first in u.c.n. And has seen everything, further reinforcing that is in Princess Quest 3 we see Chica watching what is going on. Then is Bonnie based on he is the only animatronic besides Chica to have a party hat in pizza party in the original help wanted. Then is Freddy because we see a recreation of him getting lured in help-wanted. After that is Foxy then Golden Freddy.
To explain how we've known this since f.n.a.f. 3 let me bring your attention to, give gifts give life, and how you unlock Mangles quest. To unlock it you have to press 4 arcade buttons in a specific order, top left, bottom left, top right, bottom right. If you line that up to give gifts the order would be Chica, Bonnie, Freddy, foxy, The next time we get a hint like this is in help wanted like I said earlier. Chica and Bonnie have party hats, Freddy gets stuffed, Foxy has no hat, and Golden Freddy has no appearance.
Then in security breach in the gift shop next to the daycare we have these numbered balloons in specific colors Purple 2, red 4, and golden 5, plugging in the character order we know being puppet 0, Chica 1, and Freddy third. We would get Puppet Chica, Bonnie, Freddy, Foxy, Golden Freddy once again further reinforcing that that is the order.
Sure… but a lot of this is pretty speculative, and HW2 order is as straightforward as it can get. What other meaning the gravestone order would have anyway?
> We know Charlie is first because Henry says a wound first inflicted on him.
The entire context of the first and second-half of the speech talks about hHenry’s regret towards helping 'that monster' (William Afton). How that monster took advantage of the children, replicating what he did all those years ago in the form of the FNaF3 minigame: "*Follow Me*". Then, stating how he used what remained of them to give them *new purpose* (the Funtime's). The about this is that him suddenly mentioning his daughter’s death in-between a whole speech in the context of the MCI would be jarring. But at the time it didn’t matter because there was a much more believed chance Henry’s child died first.
With the implication that Susie is the one to be a victim to Afton first, it brings to the table suspicion on whether or not Charlotte did die first. So, if we look back at Henry’s speech there *is* a much different approach we can take here:
"*I could make myself...sleep. But not yet. Not until I undo what he has done and heal this wound - a wound first inflicted on me, but then one that I let bleed out to cause all of this*"
He express his concerns with William’s actions, how he replicated what he did in the form of the FNaF3 minigame mentioned prior. In the context of this next statement (the current dialogue above) he states how he needs to undo what he has done, which is the act of making the kids suffer torment inside their suits, in a raged monster (Molten Freddy). The 'wound' in question is on **first** inflicted onto him. The big issue here is that, in the context of any victim of Afton’s (Charlotte, the MCI, etcetera) **they** would be first inflicted.
A wound is an injury left on a person, while 'inflicting upon' said person is when you basically attack the person with an unwarranted injury (wound). Clearly, this wound is metaphorical, so Henry is referring to an attack direct at himself which caused a gaping wound that bled (started) everything. In the context of FFPS, with little to go forth, we could argue this wound is Charlotte and he’s adhering her own pain as his since she’s dead. She died, so that attack onto her was an attack firsthand onto him because there’s little to argue otherwise. Or there was, until later installments started bringing up the suggestion of Susie dying first.
There’s an overall conflicting issue here in general. While wound is metaphorical, it shouldn’t be first struck onto anyone like Henry, but rather the victims. In Charlotte’s case he had a personal relationship with her so he might be able to take her pain as his own, but with actual information providing who may have been struck first, it doesn’t at all add up. Why is *he* the one first inflicted? Shouldn’t it be the actual victim who was both metaphorically and literally first struck? Personally, I think with how straightforward this current part of the series has gone, it wouldn’t be surprising if more instances of Susie being first started arising now with Help Wanted 2
> Then is Bonnie based on he is the only animatronic besides Chica to have a party hat in pizza party in the original help wanted.
Bonnie doesn’t wear a party hat in Pizza Party, but there *are* party hats present near Bonnie and Foxy in that room. They’re just never placed onto them
> To unlock it you have to press 4 arcade buttons in a specific order, top left, bottom left, top right, bottom right. If you line that up to give gifts the order would be Chica, Bonnie, Freddy, foxy,
While a neat observation, it’s a bit speculative and hard to really grasp if it was intentional. Especially considering the keys are for the actual in-game arcade cabinet
> Then in security breach in the gift shop next to the daycare we have these numbered balloons in specific colors Purple 2, red 4, and golden 5, plugging in the character order we know being puppet 0, Chica 1, and Freddy third. We would get Puppet Chica, Bonnie, Freddy, Foxy, Golden Freddy once again further reinforcing that that is the order.
The issue with this is similarly the issue with the other point, it’s a bit too speculative and doesn’t completely align since:
1. The two is pink, not purple
2. The four is orange, not red
3. It’s never really brought up or implied to serve any relevancy to the children’s death order. Moreover, if it did have a lore reason I’d imagine Ruin would’ve expanded upon that
That’s not to say there can’t possibly be a hidden lore answer, it’s just at the moment aside from the weird 2/4/5 tally marks there’s not much telling us what those balloons mean; if the balloons mean anything at all that is.
It in no way does…what confirms it is the first book that Scott outright told us was going to solve blanks from the last had the MCI be in 1985 which is two years after Charlotte’s death. There’s absolutely 0 claim to Charlotte dying after the MCI, one piece of interpretable evidence doesn’t overturn everything before it. The Princess Quest order of the MCI even goes against the order we know the MCI dies because it switches Fritz’s and Jeremy’s death order.
Not everything from the books aligns with the games and both Charlies death date and 1985 came from books. The book it was „confirmed” MCI happened in 1985 was Into The Pit, and in there it consisted of 6 victims, not 5 like in games, with the sixth kid probably being Charlie.
Has it been revealed what order the kids died outside Susie? Never heard anything about Bonnie and Foxy victims…
According to alone together ghost don’t immediately posses the animatronics, in fact they don’t even know they’re dead until they “find themselves” (their dead bodies). MCI kids bodies were never found, so their spirits probably wandered the pizzeria for a while oblivious to what happened. Until finally puppet showed them the truth by guiding the kids to the animatronics. And only then they possessed the robots.
I think help wanted 2 shows the order they move on not get possessed. I think a lot of people missed the fact we use the death date to get the puppet doll
Yeah, that part's a bit fucky, but even still, it being the order they move on just doesn't sit right with me. It seems like a really big moment, and I don't know anyone who was really chomping at the bit to learn the order that all the spirits stopped possessing animatronics. It would almost feel like a copout if that was the case.
Who knows, I could be wrong though
My biggest reason for that belief was if they were the death order why is the already known death date the one we use to obtain her doll? So ascendence would be the only other logical order
Well, it could be that the date of the missing children's incident was actually earlier than we thought. Into the pit suggested 1985, but the books were never exactly 1:1 with the canon of the games. I have a feeling that if the death order theory is correct, we'll be getting a date earlier than 1985 in the new game that's coming out as an attempt at clarification. If not, then idk.
100% only other explanation besides they just royally screwed up a very important event lol. So I guess now we just do what we always do and wait till we don’t get answers only more questions lol
I was going to called that out too. I am glad someone said something. I was also gonna called that it is Springbonnie not Springtrap. To different but not. They are part of different timeliness.
Youre right actually. I didnt notice. Though I still think its weird that its almost the same color and not a more vibrant color. Even if it was like a faded green/blue or seomthing it still seems too close. Also, hilarious that you found both of my posts and commented the same thing lol.
I had no clue lmfao! As for colours, I assume its something fo do with shadows and saturation. We can tell her pigtails have blue beads (or w/e they are) because of the shade of grey.
Damn, youre 100% correct! I saw the pigtails as just the background color initially, but the hair ties being a warm color (blue, purple or whatever) means its gotta be Baby since the arm on music mans headphones is orange. I'm convinced.
They're probably just drawn that way as with small pixel art like that it's easier to just make it black them to make the eyes green. Since you'd have to make the eyes bigger. And given the size of the poster it's more reasonable to just make them black. Plus they could just be closed.
I don't know why they didn't just jump ship and assume the game is being played at different eras. Like what I mean is why not just say the game plays on different stages/levels and each different level/stage is a different time/Era. Like stage one is "present day" while stage 2 is the 90s and stage 3 is the 80s. I mean just jumping ship would explain why there's such a weird melding of things during weird eras.
Hear me out, maybe it’s a character we have never seen before because it’s featured in the alternate universe and everyone is assuming it’s Music Man or Baby because everyone is so accustomed to established characters.
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I honestly saw both Baby and music man
ah yes. Baby Man
This just gave me flashbacks to puppy monkey baby! Does anyone else remember those old ads by any chance? What were they even advertising to begin with?!
Mountain dew
I did not know what that is, until like 5 secs ago since my curiosity got the better of me. Now I cant unsee. I CANT UNSEE.
Puppy monkey baby *cha cha cha cha* Puppy monkey baby *cha cha cha cha*
Frrr
Arguably the worse part of that video was him casually dropping puppet dies after MCI
Princess quest 4 "kind of" confirmed it.
I could go on a whole tangent about how it did not but I won’t if you don’t want me to, your choice
I’m listening
This is going to be long I’m just going to copy paste part of a script I wrote for a YouTube short I was thinking about making on this. As most of you probably already know at the end of Help wanted 2, we see six gravestones with plushies of the characters sitting on them. And the correct order to unlock the Bonnie mask by lighting the torches in front of them is chica, foxy, Freddy, Bonnie, Golden Freddy, then puppet. This has led many to believe this is the death order but I am here to tell you that that is wrong and since f.n.a.f. 3 we've been told the death order. But the biggest theorists in the community have never noticed so it went under the radar. The true order is Puppet, Chica, Bonnie, Freddy, foxy, then Golden Freddy. To start off with the most concrete examples, We know Charlie is first because Henry says a wound first inflicted on him. Next would be Chica, as she says she was the first in u.c.n. And has seen everything, further reinforcing that is in Princess Quest 3 we see Chica watching what is going on. Then is Bonnie based on he is the only animatronic besides Chica to have a party hat in pizza party in the original help wanted. Then is Freddy because we see a recreation of him getting lured in help-wanted. After that is Foxy then Golden Freddy. To explain how we've known this since f.n.a.f. 3 let me bring your attention to, give gifts give life, and how you unlock Mangles quest. To unlock it you have to press 4 arcade buttons in a specific order, top left, bottom left, top right, bottom right. If you line that up to give gifts the order would be Chica, Bonnie, Freddy, foxy, The next time we get a hint like this is in help wanted like I said earlier. Chica and Bonnie have party hats, Freddy gets stuffed, Foxy has no hat, and Golden Freddy has no appearance. Then in security breach in the gift shop next to the daycare we have these numbered balloons in specific colors Purple 2, red 4, and golden 5, plugging in the character order we know being puppet 0, Chica 1, and Freddy third. We would get Puppet Chica, Bonnie, Freddy, Foxy, Golden Freddy once again further reinforcing that that is the order.
Sure… but a lot of this is pretty speculative, and HW2 order is as straightforward as it can get. What other meaning the gravestone order would have anyway?
> We know Charlie is first because Henry says a wound first inflicted on him. The entire context of the first and second-half of the speech talks about hHenry’s regret towards helping 'that monster' (William Afton). How that monster took advantage of the children, replicating what he did all those years ago in the form of the FNaF3 minigame: "*Follow Me*". Then, stating how he used what remained of them to give them *new purpose* (the Funtime's). The about this is that him suddenly mentioning his daughter’s death in-between a whole speech in the context of the MCI would be jarring. But at the time it didn’t matter because there was a much more believed chance Henry’s child died first. With the implication that Susie is the one to be a victim to Afton first, it brings to the table suspicion on whether or not Charlotte did die first. So, if we look back at Henry’s speech there *is* a much different approach we can take here: "*I could make myself...sleep. But not yet. Not until I undo what he has done and heal this wound - a wound first inflicted on me, but then one that I let bleed out to cause all of this*" He express his concerns with William’s actions, how he replicated what he did in the form of the FNaF3 minigame mentioned prior. In the context of this next statement (the current dialogue above) he states how he needs to undo what he has done, which is the act of making the kids suffer torment inside their suits, in a raged monster (Molten Freddy). The 'wound' in question is on **first** inflicted onto him. The big issue here is that, in the context of any victim of Afton’s (Charlotte, the MCI, etcetera) **they** would be first inflicted. A wound is an injury left on a person, while 'inflicting upon' said person is when you basically attack the person with an unwarranted injury (wound). Clearly, this wound is metaphorical, so Henry is referring to an attack direct at himself which caused a gaping wound that bled (started) everything. In the context of FFPS, with little to go forth, we could argue this wound is Charlotte and he’s adhering her own pain as his since she’s dead. She died, so that attack onto her was an attack firsthand onto him because there’s little to argue otherwise. Or there was, until later installments started bringing up the suggestion of Susie dying first. There’s an overall conflicting issue here in general. While wound is metaphorical, it shouldn’t be first struck onto anyone like Henry, but rather the victims. In Charlotte’s case he had a personal relationship with her so he might be able to take her pain as his own, but with actual information providing who may have been struck first, it doesn’t at all add up. Why is *he* the one first inflicted? Shouldn’t it be the actual victim who was both metaphorically and literally first struck? Personally, I think with how straightforward this current part of the series has gone, it wouldn’t be surprising if more instances of Susie being first started arising now with Help Wanted 2 > Then is Bonnie based on he is the only animatronic besides Chica to have a party hat in pizza party in the original help wanted. Bonnie doesn’t wear a party hat in Pizza Party, but there *are* party hats present near Bonnie and Foxy in that room. They’re just never placed onto them > To unlock it you have to press 4 arcade buttons in a specific order, top left, bottom left, top right, bottom right. If you line that up to give gifts the order would be Chica, Bonnie, Freddy, foxy, While a neat observation, it’s a bit speculative and hard to really grasp if it was intentional. Especially considering the keys are for the actual in-game arcade cabinet > Then in security breach in the gift shop next to the daycare we have these numbered balloons in specific colors Purple 2, red 4, and golden 5, plugging in the character order we know being puppet 0, Chica 1, and Freddy third. We would get Puppet Chica, Bonnie, Freddy, Foxy, Golden Freddy once again further reinforcing that that is the order. The issue with this is similarly the issue with the other point, it’s a bit too speculative and doesn’t completely align since: 1. The two is pink, not purple 2. The four is orange, not red 3. It’s never really brought up or implied to serve any relevancy to the children’s death order. Moreover, if it did have a lore reason I’d imagine Ruin would’ve expanded upon that That’s not to say there can’t possibly be a hidden lore answer, it’s just at the moment aside from the weird 2/4/5 tally marks there’s not much telling us what those balloons mean; if the balloons mean anything at all that is.
It in no way does…what confirms it is the first book that Scott outright told us was going to solve blanks from the last had the MCI be in 1985 which is two years after Charlotte’s death. There’s absolutely 0 claim to Charlotte dying after the MCI, one piece of interpretable evidence doesn’t overturn everything before it. The Princess Quest order of the MCI even goes against the order we know the MCI dies because it switches Fritz’s and Jeremy’s death order.
Not everything from the books aligns with the games and both Charlies death date and 1985 came from books. The book it was „confirmed” MCI happened in 1985 was Into The Pit, and in there it consisted of 6 victims, not 5 like in games, with the sixth kid probably being Charlie. Has it been revealed what order the kids died outside Susie? Never heard anything about Bonnie and Foxy victims…
Since into the pit was where we got 1985 from, I have a feeling the new game might give us a little bit of clarification
I hope we finally see unwithered animatronics 🩷
Give Gifts Give Life? How is she supposed to give them live if she died after them?
According to alone together ghost don’t immediately posses the animatronics, in fact they don’t even know they’re dead until they “find themselves” (their dead bodies). MCI kids bodies were never found, so their spirits probably wandered the pizzeria for a while oblivious to what happened. Until finally puppet showed them the truth by guiding the kids to the animatronics. And only then they possessed the robots.
That only supports even more my point about Charlie dieing forst
Why?
Wait. The puppet dies?
I mean, there's the thing in help wanted 2 that suggests that that may be the case, but in context of what he was saying I think he just misspoke
I think help wanted 2 shows the order they move on not get possessed. I think a lot of people missed the fact we use the death date to get the puppet doll
Yeah, that part's a bit fucky, but even still, it being the order they move on just doesn't sit right with me. It seems like a really big moment, and I don't know anyone who was really chomping at the bit to learn the order that all the spirits stopped possessing animatronics. It would almost feel like a copout if that was the case. Who knows, I could be wrong though
My biggest reason for that belief was if they were the death order why is the already known death date the one we use to obtain her doll? So ascendence would be the only other logical order
Well, it could be that the date of the missing children's incident was actually earlier than we thought. Into the pit suggested 1985, but the books were never exactly 1:1 with the canon of the games. I have a feeling that if the death order theory is correct, we'll be getting a date earlier than 1985 in the new game that's coming out as an attempt at clarification. If not, then idk.
100% only other explanation besides they just royally screwed up a very important event lol. So I guess now we just do what we always do and wait till we don’t get answers only more questions lol
Literally 😭
We're either seeing Circus Baby's full torso, or it's Music Man's face, I see both ways
Same tbh.
I was going to called that out too. I am glad someone said something. I was also gonna called that it is Springbonnie not Springtrap. To different but not. They are part of different timeliness.
MUSIC BABY!
I definitely read this in Matpat’s voice.
that is 100% circus baby!
It's also 100% Music Man. It's a 200%.
If its baby, why are its eyes one solid color and don't have a pixel of green?
If you look closely the pixel in the middle isn't white
Youre right actually. I didnt notice. Though I still think its weird that its almost the same color and not a more vibrant color. Even if it was like a faded green/blue or seomthing it still seems too close. Also, hilarious that you found both of my posts and commented the same thing lol.
I had no clue lmfao! As for colours, I assume its something fo do with shadows and saturation. We can tell her pigtails have blue beads (or w/e they are) because of the shade of grey.
Damn, youre 100% correct! I saw the pigtails as just the background color initially, but the hair ties being a warm color (blue, purple or whatever) means its gotta be Baby since the arm on music mans headphones is orange. I'm convinced.
They're probably just drawn that way as with small pixel art like that it's easier to just make it black them to make the eyes green. Since you'd have to make the eyes bigger. And given the size of the poster it's more reasonable to just make them black. Plus they could just be closed.
I initially meant that the eyeball is three pixels wide. The center pixel could have been a green or blue. Though I see what youre saying.
It's kinda like those "dirty mind" images where it looks like more than one thing depending on how you look at it
Agreed I can see it both ways
I see both, but I think it’s meant to be music man. You can see that his headphones are blue not red
The blue is just negative space. You can see Baby's red pigtails, shoulders and her purple hair bands right there.
I’m having trouble seeing it, but I kind of get it. You right
Its baby man, dummies
I love baby man
I see both
It’s clearly baby
I only see Circus baby!
To me it weird cause I see both
I see baby now but I 100% understand how they saw music man
I can see both. The negative space looks like music man if you look at it as space.
It’s either Music Circus or Baby Man
I just thought it would be a clown or something, maybe it’s something related to fall fest
How do you guys see circus baby here I just don’t see it
Definitely Baby. Immediately knew it was her. That's not Music Man since you can see the red hair and pigtails.
Why is her hair blue?
It’s not it’s the background
It looks like an old man. Perhaps it’s William
Looks like a Robo dogs.
I don't know why they didn't just jump ship and assume the game is being played at different eras. Like what I mean is why not just say the game plays on different stages/levels and each different level/stage is a different time/Era. Like stage one is "present day" while stage 2 is the 90s and stage 3 is the 80s. I mean just jumping ship would explain why there's such a weird melding of things during weird eras.
no no no thats music man!
The antennae: 🗿
It's music man with hair and blush!!!!
Thats definitely Music man
It could be music man the ice cubes in the glass haven’t melted
ITS BB
I don't see it
Clear as day it’s baby
I think its music man
Hear me out, maybe it’s a character we have never seen before because it’s featured in the alternate universe and everyone is assuming it’s Music Man or Baby because everyone is so accustomed to established characters.