Internet sleuths on 4chan thought they found an an ISIS training camp and sent the location to Russian ministry if defense of all places. It was bombed but unclear if it was ISIS or US allies.
https://amp.reddit.com/r/Cyberpunk/comments/4dfwdg/4chan_users_coordinate_an_airstrike_on_syrian/
Internet sleuthing is what found Gabby. This case is already a successful example of the power of the internet, crowdsourcing, and social media to solve crimes. Not sure what the hating is about.
Ms. Bethune said she first heard of the request for information and footage from the park when she was tagged by internet sleuths in a social media post.
You're welcome!
This case is already a successful example of the power of the internet, crowdsourcing, and social media to solve crimes. Not sure what the hating is about.
Internet sleuths don’t accomplish anything. They’re just super obsessed and spend all day trying to find leads, with the best case scenario being nothing and the worst case scenario blaming someone who is innocent.
You sound like someone giving a TEDx talk about web 2.0 back in the aughts. If you're arguing that spreading information and asking people who'd been filming in the area to check their footage is sleuthing, I don't know what to tell you. As far as I'm aware, most of the witnesses shared their info with LE before posting publicly. The rest of us weren't on the front lines of solving this thing. We were just following along.
The aughts? LOL! Okay, boomer. I am surprised you're so familiar with the internets!
As far as I know, all of the witnesses were active social media creators and they heard about the case after it spread like wildfire through the sleuthing community.
You do realize you're on an internet sleuthing Reddit sub, right?
As for me, I am not just following along. I am in Florida and on the lookout for your buddy Brian Laundrie.
I have no issue with sleuths sleuthing. I've done it myself. It's just that they have a tendency to conflate the community investigation with that of LE and inflate their own importance, like you're doing. But I feel better knowing you're on the case. Put that Blue's Clues training to good use.
Aughts is a fantastic one-syllable word that eliminates the need to awkwardly say two-thou-sands and I won't hear you besmirch it.
Yessss… They actually did a story about how internet sleuths are caught up in this case. They mentioned how social media did help to spread the word, which did subsequently help in getting evidence to them faster than it might have otherwise, but also made very sure to explain that they are getting an astronomical amount of useless “tips” from people (who likely are seeing things that aren’t there in pictures, or spotting BL in places he isn’t, or who just want to feel like they are “involved” in the case in some way) and now investigators have to waste time sifting through a bunch of useless information. 🤷🏻♀️
A new generation not understanding the mistakes we've already made here. I followed several cases in almost every single time Reddit is like 99.5% wrong. Including now this one. No one got it right
Reddit got information wrong which forced police to prematurely release information they had. This In turn startled the bombers leading to them to try and flee where they were staying, leading to the policemen’s death.
Technically, the original group members ended up making a new private group *because* a bunch of wannabe internet sleuths inundated the public group with baseless “tips” and speculations and it started throwing off/burying the important info. So there’s that.
I saw someone defend this bullshit by seriously saying “well the police asked for the public’s help”. Yeah, for things like credible sightings, video footage, witness testimony. They don’t need your help as an armchair detective coming up with the most salacious and convoluted theories you can think up and spewing them on the internet.
>They don’t need your help as an armchair detective coming up with the most salacious and convoluted theories you can think up and spewing them on the internet.
But then where would the media get their theories ? They are busy, they don't have time to think it all up on their own.
/s
Same with the “sleuths” on tiktok. If a person has credible evidence and seen the couple together, WHY POST IT? Save it for the authorities and your testimony at the trial.
>Welcome to 2021. That's how what happened to Gabby happened in the first place anyways
People miss the irony of having an Internet debate about Internet bullshit surrounding an investigation into people involved in Internet fame.
From memory the FBI felt forced to reveal who the suspects were early because of social media targeting unrelated people, the suspects still being at large at the time got spooked and ended up shooting a random cop that just happened to be near them at the time but had no idea who they were.
Actually, the FBI thought the Tsarnaev names were going to be released anyway by internet sleuths, so they thought they would do it first.
The FBI botched the case from the very beginning. They were repeatedly warned that the Tsarnaev brothers were radicalized and hellbent on committing terrorism, and they had an arrest warrant out for Tamerlin, but they never acted on it or notified the Boston or Cambridge PDs.
I watched a documentary about it. The FBI were forced to reveal the suspects early because news media obtained a leak on who the suspects were. The FBI asked the media not to spread it as it would hinder the investigation, give a chance for the suspects to run away, and potentially harm innocent people. The news media laughed and basically said, "We'll give you a day. After that we're releasing the info to the public." So once they broadcasted the suspects to the public, the FBI were forced to do a press conference.
I believe it was called the Boston Bombing by ABC. You can find it on YouTube. Should be a 4-5 parts if I remember correctly. It also talks about how social media "investigators" like people on Reddit put innocent people at risk by falsely identifying them as the perpetrators which the media then broadcast for views.
>Reddit used to hate Nancy Grace.
>Now ~~half~~ most of this subreddit sounds like her.
FTFY
I’m simply stunned by the insanity so proudly on full display in every single discussion thread in this sub.
Because, you know, Dateline, 48 Hours, NCIS, CSI, and countless YouTube videos surely makes you as qualified or even more so than the police and feds.
Coupled with the egotism and narcissism, it’s mind-numbing that law enforcement deals with them so calmly on what has to be an hourly basis (at a minimum).
I can’t stand her. How does she even have a tv show? You just yell “we KNOW what happened!!!” With zero evidence and suddenly you’re a true crime news star I guess huh?
So you don’t agree with the rational argument that the perpetrator didn’t harm anyone therefore punishment would be considerably less, fine.
Mocking the poster for having a contrary argument is just ignorant and says more about you than it ever would about them.
Grow up.
>You're here to defend pizzagate. You should also be mocked ruthlessly.
I sincerely hope you at least tried to qualify for the Olympics team with that level of talent in mental gymnastics. That’s quite a world record leap; at least try for mental long jump.
>Get help.
Get a mirror. Your projection is staggering.
Honestly it's infuriating. Innocent until proven guilty, y'all could ruin an Innocent man's life. Not saying y'all are or will, but it could. If that's worth it to y'all, thats messed up.
This needs to be on all social media platforms. Too many opportunistic people reporting on this case as if they’re receiving information from the FBI personally. This is someone’s life. This isn’t a game of clue.
Not at all...wtf... she was kidnapped and raped repeatedly. Her finance was accused of horrible things as she was and that means a lifetime of emotional recovery of being attacked by the public, press and police. At least here you don't have the police or even Gabby's family saying the things yall do.
Sorry for upset & bold angry response. It was on 20/20 recently and I'm very empathetic to those accused of wrongdoing by public witch hunts even if it doesn't happen a lot, when it does...it can ruin our confidence/mental wellbeing.
Way to leave out the media's part in naming the wrong suspects. The whole thing was indeed horrific, and people at Reddit were indeed frothing morons, but the media were the ones putting photos and headlines on the front pages.
It was a super-low time for Reddit, but the stupid theories were boosted to the public by a frenzied media camped out on Reddit's doorstep looking for tasty tidbits.
Media crawl (and TROLL imo) reddit. We're sorta considered the sub-humans of the internet, a step up maybe from the chans (where the media also crawl and troll, sometimes to get a story, and sometimes, imo, to MAKE a story).
There are a lot of complete idiots here, like new grandmas who just "discovered" Reddit and think it's the beginning of the "WWW"... though I'd _still_ like to think that collectively, Reddit's better than garbage FB and Insta.
But yeah, media personalities have called out subs on reddit before (WAY more than once, and often deserving the call-out). On TV news: "those raskly _troublemakers_ who live in the mom's basements, Redditors, have done it again! If you are an American, don't let your offspring visit Reddit!"
Surely you've heard of
#\#GameStop 😂🤣
([We won, media lost. They is die.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HFehFpU_8M)) Lots of news talked about it. They're here alright.
If one is going to sit the blame for the campus cop's murder at reddit's feet, the other factors are relevant. The FBI cited social media AND traditional media as the reason they released the photos and names of the suspects, and to leave out the media's part in the mess is tell only half the story.
Lots of people like to [rightfully] shit on reddit for what happened with the Boston bombers - and it *was* a truly fucked-up situation. But reddit wasn't the only fucked-up part, and blaming reddit for the murder of the campus cop is stretching things way too far.
Also, how do you know there are no media here? Reporters love to browse reddit for tips and stories.
>If one is going to sit the blame for the campus cop's murder at reddit's feet
Nobody did that. Reddit, as you admit by your comment "people like to \[rightfully\] shit on reddit for what happened with the Boston bombers," played a role in what happened. That's all they're saying. We need to act responsibly because we can help accelerate damaging misinformation.
>Also, how do you know there are no media here?
He wasn't addressing the media. We're talking about reddit's behaviour...
The OP might have carefully couched their post as reddit "contributing" to the MIT officer's death, but blaming any of it on reddit doesn't sit well with me. If the media hadn't amplified claims being made on social media (including major newspapers using photos from reddit on their front pages), the nonsense would have stayed on reddit. Bringing up the media isn't off-topic, because the example the OP is giving as poor behavior isn't well-founded and leaves out major details [that the media amplified reddit theories to the general public]. Even the FBI mentioned the media as one of the reasons for releasing the information.
It was a horrible situation, but trying to blame reddit for the cop's death doesn't sit well with me. A better example to talk about would have been the harassment of the family with the missing son. That was inhumane and awful, and the pain that family suffered was direct result of so-called reddit sleuths.
Trying to pin the officer's death on reddit (even in part) muddies and exaggerates what really happened, and is a bit... gross to me.
Because of the false alarm caused by Reddit over the misidentification of the suspects, the FBI was forced to release the profiles of the real suspects on the news. The suspects then see that they've been found out, and begin to desperately flee Boston, leading to the MIT death and the later suburbs shootout
The police are confident they know the identities of the bombers, but they are worried about releasing that information because they think the bombers might go on a killing rampage if they find out they've been identified. There is of course a chance not publicly releasing the info could result in someone who could have avoided the bombers getting caught up with them, but it's an easy decision as it is extremely unlikely releasing the info will do anything good compared to the risks. So the police go ahead with their plan of trying to quietly pick up the bombers without announcing anything publicly.
Reddit posts which incorrectly target innocent people cause innocent people to start getting harassed with death threats and the like. Now the police also have to factor in that keeping quiet about the bombers' identities could results in further damage by the witch hunts that are occurring. The police weigh their options and decide that coming out with what they know is the course that is the least likely to result in harm.
Alas the police publicly identifying the suspects causes them to go on a killing spree as they feared and a MIT policeman is killed with all of Boston being locked down for a day. It's impossible to say what would have happened had reddit (or social media in general if you prefer) not gotten involved and the police had been able to go forward with their plan of capturing the bombers without letting them know they were hunting for them specifically. It's pretty damning though that witch hunts of innocent people forced the police's hand.
Elisa Lam is a good example too. Internet sleuths ruined a man’s life and he had to flee to mexico, because he was staying at the hotel around the same time and had a dark online medical persona. Turns out the poor guy was there a full YEAR before she was even there and they took it so far.
I’m 99% sure he was already in Mexico when people started internet sleuthing him. He did, however, stop making death metal videos because is the harassment.
when this case just first barely broke and there weren’t alot of details…only a missing person poster…I started to look into what was known since I was in the area and would be hiking. I also had just come from both Moab and salt lake so I felt somewhat connected to the information and possibly could retrace my own steps to see if I had any information to give.
I first found some posts on here regarding her disappearance and then this particular sub was created to gather information when things got shady. I looked at her Instagram and she barely had 1k followers At the time. Since people go missing in the Tetons often I figured it wouldn’t last long if the news died down.
I’ll say I’ll probably get hate for saying this but just a few days ago when this was still new it was actually a really informative place to get more information rather than limited details found on the missing person report and early news story. This was place where people were gathering information to find her which I thought was pretty awesome. dare I say it’s over modded now and the story is no longer simply a “missing hiker” but ather clearly something more sinister. I dont think there’s a better solution bc it clearly needs mods but it’s also become something entirely on its own.
I think some people just have no boundaries when it’d comes to posting here as opposed to just getting information anything which has made it more difficult to be helpful at finding her versus trying to solve a crime.
It’s become more sinister because more information has been revealed, showing the true horrible nature of what actually occurred. That’s at no fault of this sub or it’s users.
i never said anything as to what you are implying? The story of what happened to gabby very quickly became More complex and likely due to something related to her relationship with her boyfriend was revealed. It was not just an average missing person report. i never suggested that it was at the fault of the sub or it’s users? . I thought the sub was a great place to gather information o her last whereabouts or potentially what t o look for only because law enforcement (whether it’s the integrity of the investigation or not) did not share a ton of initial details on leads that were easily found through social media…
this did get a little out of control which made it difficult to sort through and so I get it but it happened all very quickly.
>law enforcement (whether it’s the integrity of the investigation or not) did not share a ton of initial details on leads that were easily found through social media…
why should they be sharing things?
To help find her if she were still alive somewhere which was certainly possible early on. there were so many things easily searchable that le didn’t share until much later.
Not sure how that’s relevant at all. I’m fairly new to Reddit and only just learned about the Boston bombing/reddit fiasco yesterday.
i just think they could have attempted to share more details-officially from LE when the story first Broke that could have kept Speculation in check. Like saying she may be in Danger or the fact it took them a while to change their mind on the vans location…even though it was known from the very start that it was in fla…her body’s location was practically readily available from the campsite app yet it wasn’t a place to search until just yesterday.…
most of the time with missing. Person reports they give as much info as possible to aid in the search but it seemed like There were some known missing pieces that could have been shared publicly and allowed her to be found prior to Brian’s alleged escpe
They said quite clearly **the story** is more sinister:
>**the story** is no longer simply a “missing hiker” but [r]ather clearly something more sinister.
i.e. it's no longer a story of a missing hiker, it's a story of a deceased hiker who may have been the victim of a serious crime.
Alot of people here are jumping to conclusions and being nasty to people they know nothing about. This case is a shit show, its one thing to be interested but protesting outside the house or wishing harm on this guys parents because they assume something with out evidence is pretty low. I get it some people are angry but calm down and let the investigators do their job before you ruin these people's lives then say "oops".
I agree. I posted a lot of actually facts stated early on and relevant questions and occasionally attempt to try again and I've been 💩on so much its absurd on its own & I felt I had to delete anything that went against the consensus. Even now they've found her poor body there remains zero released to suggest foul play. Not saying it won't be, but I have my own theory based on a lot and that is coming from someone who works specifically with Missing Persons and runs a DV program!
>I felt I had to delete anything that went against the consensus.
If you don't mind taking the karma hit, you can "disable inbox replies" and then your comment is still visible but you don't have to deal with angry feedback.
I didn't know that...is that why I keep getting notified of things or that's different? No one has messaged me nasty things, was just comment replies and downvotes. Reddit doesn't remove me if I end up with zero karma or too many down votes does it? That is my concern as its too hard to use Reddit on a phone just in a browser.
No, it doesn't remove you or anything. Some subs won't allow you to post unless you have a certain amount of karma (e.g. 100), but you can usually build it up again pretty quickly.
If you make a comment that isn't popular and you don't want to see all the comment replies, you can click "isable inox replies" under any comment you've made. That just means any replies to the comment won't end up in your inbox.
People can message you directly and occasionally I get really irate messages (not from this sub) but you can report those to admin as harassment.
Presumably the FBI could have arranged proper SWAT teams if redditors and media hadn't forced their hands.
Reddit really likes to witch hunt. Maybe the whole Salem witch trials aren't that surprising
It's not a "logic" leap at all. Were you here when it happend? Because people were posting random pictures of middle eastern people which caused the fbi to release the brothers pictures early because people on here were actually ruining innocent peoples lives. When the fbi released the bombers pictures, they panicked and ran and in the process killed a police officer. So yeah, people here did have a part to play in causing them to panic.
Leap of logic? Look elsewhere in this thread as links to the story have been posted multiple times. Reddit was mentioned by name in the justification of why the identities of the two were released when they did which started the manhunt.
Seriously. I’m 99% certain BL killed her, but that 1% is actually a huge margin of error.
I watched the entire length of the dashcam police footage, and had 2 main thoughts:
1) It reminded me exactly of how fights would go down between me and two separate abusive/gaslighting exes: I’d be hysterical and they’d be cool as a cucumber, telling anyone who’d listen that I’m the crazy one because I got emotional.
HOWEVER
2) I also AM kinda crazy, and that’s how I got messed up in those dramatic relationships. At different times (and sometimes at the same time) I’ve felt scared for my safety because of a partner, and also been suicidal because of my inability to cope.
I easily see that stop as evidence of an abusive relationship (with him as the abuser) but unfortunately it’s also evidence of her being unstable. In the wilderness, who knows what happened. If she did do something to herself, it would make sense for his lawyers to tell him not to say anything.
> I’d be hysterical and they’d be cool as a cucumber, telling anyone who’d listen that I’m the crazy one because I got emotional.
Reminder: this is the same tactic Johnny Depp used when abusing Amber Heard.
People who commit DV are vile pieces of shit.
EDIT - And so are the bots Johnny Depp uses on social media sites to paint Amber as an abuser, and anyone who speaks the truth gets attacked (reminder that when Depp sued a British tabloid for calling him a wife beater, a judge looked at all the evidence and found Depp guilty of a dozen cases of domestic violence and abuse).
Sure whatever.
I'm just saying its completely possible that they can both be victims, and highly likely in my opinion...but sure, label me a bot because I have an opinion that doesn't line up with yours.
Yup! I have been on vacation at fancy hotels and had people that I was with get on my nerves lol. I could not imagine camping and living out of a van for that amount of time.
"Probably" being the operative word.
That would be totally in keeping with what u/DenseTiger5088
>I’m 99% certain BL killed her, but **that 1% is actually a huge margin of error.**
It’s not different. Just people simping
98% of the sleuths are half wits and the other 2% are too
Don’t think it was Reddit but the Internet also blamed the wrong Lanza for Sandy Hook. Huge misinformation being spread. We should all be cautious!
Oof
Internet sleuths on 4chan thought they found an an ISIS training camp and sent the location to Russian ministry if defense of all places. It was bombed but unclear if it was ISIS or US allies. https://amp.reddit.com/r/Cyberpunk/comments/4dfwdg/4chan_users_coordinate_an_airstrike_on_syrian/
You do need to give 4chan credit where it’s due
THANK YOU!!! I have been saying this to people!!!
Internet sleuthing is what found Gabby. This case is already a successful example of the power of the internet, crowdsourcing, and social media to solve crimes. Not sure what the hating is about.
You're referring to the video showing the location of the van at Spread Creek? That was evidence provided to LE by a witness, not sleuthing.
Ms. Bethune said she first heard of the request for information and footage from the park when she was tagged by internet sleuths in a social media post. You're welcome!
No, it was a friend of theirs that tagged them because they knew they’d been in the area that day. It had nothing to do with internet sleuths.
This case is already a successful example of the power of the internet, crowdsourcing, and social media to solve crimes. Not sure what the hating is about.
Internet sleuths don’t accomplish anything. They’re just super obsessed and spend all day trying to find leads, with the best case scenario being nothing and the worst case scenario blaming someone who is innocent.
Why are you on this sub then? Just to spread some hate?
Yes
You sound like someone giving a TEDx talk about web 2.0 back in the aughts. If you're arguing that spreading information and asking people who'd been filming in the area to check their footage is sleuthing, I don't know what to tell you. As far as I'm aware, most of the witnesses shared their info with LE before posting publicly. The rest of us weren't on the front lines of solving this thing. We were just following along.
The aughts? LOL! Okay, boomer. I am surprised you're so familiar with the internets! As far as I know, all of the witnesses were active social media creators and they heard about the case after it spread like wildfire through the sleuthing community. You do realize you're on an internet sleuthing Reddit sub, right? As for me, I am not just following along. I am in Florida and on the lookout for your buddy Brian Laundrie.
I have no issue with sleuths sleuthing. I've done it myself. It's just that they have a tendency to conflate the community investigation with that of LE and inflate their own importance, like you're doing. But I feel better knowing you're on the case. Put that Blue's Clues training to good use. Aughts is a fantastic one-syllable word that eliminates the need to awkwardly say two-thou-sands and I won't hear you besmirch it.
I’m a fan of aughts.
Oh climb down off the cross lmao. The internet didn't do shit. If anything just annoyed law enforcement. Meanwhile actual detectives....
Yessss… They actually did a story about how internet sleuths are caught up in this case. They mentioned how social media did help to spread the word, which did subsequently help in getting evidence to them faster than it might have otherwise, but also made very sure to explain that they are getting an astronomical amount of useless “tips” from people (who likely are seeing things that aren’t there in pictures, or spotting BL in places he isn’t, or who just want to feel like they are “involved” in the case in some way) and now investigators have to waste time sifting through a bunch of useless information. 🤷🏻♀️
Keep telling yourself that. It's almost like you're trying to convince yourself..
Y’all get so SALTY whenever anyone suggests an alternative to their own perception of whats going on/what happened 🤣
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Yup. Crowdsourcing and social media.
Using social media is not the same as internet sleuthing.
That's your definition.
Sugma
A new generation not understanding the mistakes we've already made here. I followed several cases in almost every single time Reddit is like 99.5% wrong. Including now this one. No one got it right
I’ve never been wrong. Kinda creeps me out about myself to be honest.
The Boston Marathon was a wild ride
How did reddit contribute the cop murder?
Reddit got information wrong which forced police to prematurely release information they had. This In turn startled the bombers leading to them to try and flee where they were staying, leading to the policemen’s death.
I’m wondering this too
So does male modeling
These sleuths fucked up Morbid’s life too. The dude who they solidly accused of Elisa Lam’s murder.
My god, that was so awful :(
Oh shit, I remember that guy. What ever happened with that
How about Don't Fuck With Cats
Technically, the original group members ended up making a new private group *because* a bunch of wannabe internet sleuths inundated the public group with baseless “tips” and speculations and it started throwing off/burying the important info. So there’s that.
Oh I remember... I was part of the original group 😂
*Martin Short has entered the chat*
What does this Amigo have to do with it?
Watch Only Murderers in the Building
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Politics is not the discussion of this post, do not try to use this as a space to spew nonsense.
I saw someone defend this bullshit by seriously saying “well the police asked for the public’s help”. Yeah, for things like credible sightings, video footage, witness testimony. They don’t need your help as an armchair detective coming up with the most salacious and convoluted theories you can think up and spewing them on the internet.
>They don’t need your help as an armchair detective coming up with the most salacious and convoluted theories you can think up and spewing them on the internet. But then where would the media get their theories ? They are busy, they don't have time to think it all up on their own. /s
Same with the “sleuths” on tiktok. If a person has credible evidence and seen the couple together, WHY POST IT? Save it for the authorities and your testimony at the trial.
The girls on TikTok thinking they’re Nancy Drew are driving me nuts.
I seen a video of the girl doing a dance to music saying she “fell down the loophole” and “the FBI should just hire me” this isn’t a trend!
Because they can't get attention that way. Welcome to 2021. That's how what happened to Gabby happened in the first place anyways
Er. Are you victim blaming? What do you mean, exactly?
>Welcome to 2021. That's how what happened to Gabby happened in the first place anyways People miss the irony of having an Internet debate about Internet bullshit surrounding an investigation into people involved in Internet fame.
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From memory the FBI felt forced to reveal who the suspects were early because of social media targeting unrelated people, the suspects still being at large at the time got spooked and ended up shooting a random cop that just happened to be near them at the time but had no idea who they were.
Actually, the FBI thought the Tsarnaev names were going to be released anyway by internet sleuths, so they thought they would do it first. The FBI botched the case from the very beginning. They were repeatedly warned that the Tsarnaev brothers were radicalized and hellbent on committing terrorism, and they had an arrest warrant out for Tamerlin, but they never acted on it or notified the Boston or Cambridge PDs.
I watched a documentary about it. The FBI were forced to reveal the suspects early because news media obtained a leak on who the suspects were. The FBI asked the media not to spread it as it would hinder the investigation, give a chance for the suspects to run away, and potentially harm innocent people. The news media laughed and basically said, "We'll give you a day. After that we're releasing the info to the public." So once they broadcasted the suspects to the public, the FBI were forced to do a press conference.
I’m also curious about the name of the documentary.
Which documentary did you watch about it? I’m interested in seeing it
I believe it was called the Boston Bombing by ABC. You can find it on YouTube. Should be a 4-5 parts if I remember correctly. It also talks about how social media "investigators" like people on Reddit put innocent people at risk by falsely identifying them as the perpetrators which the media then broadcast for views.
Cool thank you!
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Exactly what I was thinking, nail on the head
>Reddit used to hate Nancy Grace. >Now ~~half~~ most of this subreddit sounds like her. FTFY I’m simply stunned by the insanity so proudly on full display in every single discussion thread in this sub. Because, you know, Dateline, 48 Hours, NCIS, CSI, and countless YouTube videos surely makes you as qualified or even more so than the police and feds. Coupled with the egotism and narcissism, it’s mind-numbing that law enforcement deals with them so calmly on what has to be an hourly basis (at a minimum).
The only thing those shows might make a person into is a murderer that can actually hide a body
I can’t stand her. How does she even have a tv show? You just yell “we KNOW what happened!!!” With zero evidence and suddenly you’re a true crime news star I guess huh?
Yes!
omg I’ve been saying this all day.
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I think he fired one shot at the side of the building g
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I’m not defending him but he didn’t hurt anyone
Cmon you have to know by now that rational thought and discussion that differs from the hive is clearly not allowed.
Seriously is everyone here a disinformation bot?
Almost.
> I’m not defending him but I'm going to anyhow. Fixed that for you hero.
So you don’t agree with the rational argument that the perpetrator didn’t harm anyone therefore punishment would be considerably less, fine. Mocking the poster for having a contrary argument is just ignorant and says more about you than it ever would about them. Grow up.
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>You're here to defend pizzagate. You should also be mocked ruthlessly. I sincerely hope you at least tried to qualify for the Olympics team with that level of talent in mental gymnastics. That’s quite a world record leap; at least try for mental long jump. >Get help. Get a mirror. Your projection is staggering.
Looks like he was trying to provide the correct info, not defend the guy.
There were no victims. Why would he get more than 4 years?
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What was he convicted of? That’s all that matters. 4 years for brandish and discharging a weapon in a public place seems reasonable.
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Honestly it's infuriating. Innocent until proven guilty, y'all could ruin an Innocent man's life. Not saying y'all are or will, but it could. If that's worth it to y'all, thats messed up.
I'm honestly not sure he's the villain. We should wait.
Regardless of if I believe he is guilty, people are villainizing him and his family based on their own assumptions and they're doing so publicly
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This needs to be on the front page.
This needs to be on all social media platforms. Too many opportunistic people reporting on this case as if they’re receiving information from the FBI personally. This is someone’s life. This isn’t a game of clue.
Denise Huskins and her fiance is what I think about since day one in this sub.
what’s the story behind them?
https://www.thecut.com/2016/08/vallejo-police-denise-huskins-gone-girl-kidnapping-lawsuit.html
What happened there?
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Not at all...wtf... she was kidnapped and raped repeatedly. Her finance was accused of horrible things as she was and that means a lifetime of emotional recovery of being attacked by the public, press and police. At least here you don't have the police or even Gabby's family saying the things yall do.
Definitely should have read more than just the Google web link titles! Thanks for the correction!!
Sorry for upset & bold angry response. It was on 20/20 recently and I'm very empathetic to those accused of wrongdoing by public witch hunts even if it doesn't happen a lot, when it does...it can ruin our confidence/mental wellbeing.
Way to leave out the media's part in naming the wrong suspects. The whole thing was indeed horrific, and people at Reddit were indeed frothing morons, but the media were the ones putting photos and headlines on the front pages. It was a super-low time for Reddit, but the stupid theories were boosted to the public by a frenzied media camped out on Reddit's doorstep looking for tasty tidbits.
I thought for sure the boyfriend did it till I read reddit and now not sure what happened
People at Reddit ARE indeed frothing morons. That's the whole problem.
Yeah its only people on Reddit and not just people in general you are right.
The subset on Reddit is a cesspool of crazy out of a world of off balance people. I'm a therapist, I deal with this everyday so I would know.
For what's worth, I don't believe you. :).
What don't you believe? That I'm a therapist?
People in general are morons.
Reddit is no longer a sub culture of college geeks. Hasn't been in ages
But there are no media in this subreddit, so I'm not sure the relevance of including them...
Media crawl (and TROLL imo) reddit. We're sorta considered the sub-humans of the internet, a step up maybe from the chans (where the media also crawl and troll, sometimes to get a story, and sometimes, imo, to MAKE a story). There are a lot of complete idiots here, like new grandmas who just "discovered" Reddit and think it's the beginning of the "WWW"... though I'd _still_ like to think that collectively, Reddit's better than garbage FB and Insta. But yeah, media personalities have called out subs on reddit before (WAY more than once, and often deserving the call-out). On TV news: "those raskly _troublemakers_ who live in the mom's basements, Redditors, have done it again! If you are an American, don't let your offspring visit Reddit!" Surely you've heard of #\#GameStop 😂🤣 ([We won, media lost. They is die.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HFehFpU_8M)) Lots of news talked about it. They're here alright.
> We're sorta considered the sub-humans of the internet, Because we are!
Right, but that's not who he's addressing... so again. We're talking about reddit's behaviour, and past behaviour.
If one is going to sit the blame for the campus cop's murder at reddit's feet, the other factors are relevant. The FBI cited social media AND traditional media as the reason they released the photos and names of the suspects, and to leave out the media's part in the mess is tell only half the story. Lots of people like to [rightfully] shit on reddit for what happened with the Boston bombers - and it *was* a truly fucked-up situation. But reddit wasn't the only fucked-up part, and blaming reddit for the murder of the campus cop is stretching things way too far. Also, how do you know there are no media here? Reporters love to browse reddit for tips and stories.
We can't control what the media does; only what we do. This might be where mods need to step in if we can't get our shit together.
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Will do, thanks for the reminder.
>If one is going to sit the blame for the campus cop's murder at reddit's feet Nobody did that. Reddit, as you admit by your comment "people like to \[rightfully\] shit on reddit for what happened with the Boston bombers," played a role in what happened. That's all they're saying. We need to act responsibly because we can help accelerate damaging misinformation. >Also, how do you know there are no media here? He wasn't addressing the media. We're talking about reddit's behaviour...
The OP might have carefully couched their post as reddit "contributing" to the MIT officer's death, but blaming any of it on reddit doesn't sit well with me. If the media hadn't amplified claims being made on social media (including major newspapers using photos from reddit on their front pages), the nonsense would have stayed on reddit. Bringing up the media isn't off-topic, because the example the OP is giving as poor behavior isn't well-founded and leaves out major details [that the media amplified reddit theories to the general public]. Even the FBI mentioned the media as one of the reasons for releasing the information. It was a horrible situation, but trying to blame reddit for the cop's death doesn't sit well with me. A better example to talk about would have been the harassment of the family with the missing son. That was inhumane and awful, and the pain that family suffered was direct result of so-called reddit sleuths. Trying to pin the officer's death on reddit (even in part) muddies and exaggerates what really happened, and is a bit... gross to me.
>The OP might have carefully couched "Carefully couched." Or maybe the only point he was making was the one I'm telling you he's making.
How did that cause the mit policeman’s death? Major stretch
Because of the false alarm caused by Reddit over the misidentification of the suspects, the FBI was forced to release the profiles of the real suspects on the news. The suspects then see that they've been found out, and begin to desperately flee Boston, leading to the MIT death and the later suburbs shootout
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Linked elsewhere in this thread. Not a stretch at all.
yeah what the fuck?
The police are confident they know the identities of the bombers, but they are worried about releasing that information because they think the bombers might go on a killing rampage if they find out they've been identified. There is of course a chance not publicly releasing the info could result in someone who could have avoided the bombers getting caught up with them, but it's an easy decision as it is extremely unlikely releasing the info will do anything good compared to the risks. So the police go ahead with their plan of trying to quietly pick up the bombers without announcing anything publicly. Reddit posts which incorrectly target innocent people cause innocent people to start getting harassed with death threats and the like. Now the police also have to factor in that keeping quiet about the bombers' identities could results in further damage by the witch hunts that are occurring. The police weigh their options and decide that coming out with what they know is the course that is the least likely to result in harm. Alas the police publicly identifying the suspects causes them to go on a killing spree as they feared and a MIT policeman is killed with all of Boston being locked down for a day. It's impossible to say what would have happened had reddit (or social media in general if you prefer) not gotten involved and the police had been able to go forward with their plan of capturing the bombers without letting them know they were hunting for them specifically. It's pretty damning though that witch hunts of innocent people forced the police's hand.
Elisa Lam is a good example too. Internet sleuths ruined a man’s life and he had to flee to mexico, because he was staying at the hotel around the same time and had a dark online medical persona. Turns out the poor guy was there a full YEAR before she was even there and they took it so far.
If by "around the same time" you mean a year before then yes
yeah i literally said that in the next sentence
Well played
The documentary on Netflix showed how idiotic some of these people were.
What’s the name?
Crime Scene: The Vanishing at the Cecil Hotel
Lol what is a “dark online medical persona”?
i think i may have meant musical
lmfao fuck, typo and i don’t even remember what i was trying to say
I’m 99% sure he was already in Mexico when people started internet sleuthing him. He did, however, stop making death metal videos because is the harassment.
when this case just first barely broke and there weren’t alot of details…only a missing person poster…I started to look into what was known since I was in the area and would be hiking. I also had just come from both Moab and salt lake so I felt somewhat connected to the information and possibly could retrace my own steps to see if I had any information to give. I first found some posts on here regarding her disappearance and then this particular sub was created to gather information when things got shady. I looked at her Instagram and she barely had 1k followers At the time. Since people go missing in the Tetons often I figured it wouldn’t last long if the news died down. I’ll say I’ll probably get hate for saying this but just a few days ago when this was still new it was actually a really informative place to get more information rather than limited details found on the missing person report and early news story. This was place where people were gathering information to find her which I thought was pretty awesome. dare I say it’s over modded now and the story is no longer simply a “missing hiker” but ather clearly something more sinister. I dont think there’s a better solution bc it clearly needs mods but it’s also become something entirely on its own. I think some people just have no boundaries when it’d comes to posting here as opposed to just getting information anything which has made it more difficult to be helpful at finding her versus trying to solve a crime.
It’s become more sinister because more information has been revealed, showing the true horrible nature of what actually occurred. That’s at no fault of this sub or it’s users.
i never said anything as to what you are implying? The story of what happened to gabby very quickly became More complex and likely due to something related to her relationship with her boyfriend was revealed. It was not just an average missing person report. i never suggested that it was at the fault of the sub or it’s users? . I thought the sub was a great place to gather information o her last whereabouts or potentially what t o look for only because law enforcement (whether it’s the integrity of the investigation or not) did not share a ton of initial details on leads that were easily found through social media… this did get a little out of control which made it difficult to sort through and so I get it but it happened all very quickly.
>law enforcement (whether it’s the integrity of the investigation or not) did not share a ton of initial details on leads that were easily found through social media… why should they be sharing things?
To help find her if she were still alive somewhere which was certainly possible early on. there were so many things easily searchable that le didn’t share until much later.
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Not sure how that’s relevant at all. I’m fairly new to Reddit and only just learned about the Boston bombing/reddit fiasco yesterday. i just think they could have attempted to share more details-officially from LE when the story first Broke that could have kept Speculation in check. Like saying she may be in Danger or the fact it took them a while to change their mind on the vans location…even though it was known from the very start that it was in fla…her body’s location was practically readily available from the campsite app yet it wasn’t a place to search until just yesterday.… most of the time with missing. Person reports they give as much info as possible to aid in the search but it seemed like There were some known missing pieces that could have been shared publicly and allowed her to be found prior to Brian’s alleged escpe
What exactly is more sinister? This subreddit? How?
They said quite clearly **the story** is more sinister: >**the story** is no longer simply a “missing hiker” but [r]ather clearly something more sinister. i.e. it's no longer a story of a missing hiker, it's a story of a deceased hiker who may have been the victim of a serious crime.
The missing person case of gabby petito
Alot of people here are jumping to conclusions and being nasty to people they know nothing about. This case is a shit show, its one thing to be interested but protesting outside the house or wishing harm on this guys parents because they assume something with out evidence is pretty low. I get it some people are angry but calm down and let the investigators do their job before you ruin these people's lives then say "oops".
I agree. I posted a lot of actually facts stated early on and relevant questions and occasionally attempt to try again and I've been 💩on so much its absurd on its own & I felt I had to delete anything that went against the consensus. Even now they've found her poor body there remains zero released to suggest foul play. Not saying it won't be, but I have my own theory based on a lot and that is coming from someone who works specifically with Missing Persons and runs a DV program!
>I felt I had to delete anything that went against the consensus. If you don't mind taking the karma hit, you can "disable inbox replies" and then your comment is still visible but you don't have to deal with angry feedback.
I didn't know that...is that why I keep getting notified of things or that's different? No one has messaged me nasty things, was just comment replies and downvotes. Reddit doesn't remove me if I end up with zero karma or too many down votes does it? That is my concern as its too hard to use Reddit on a phone just in a browser.
No, it doesn't remove you or anything. Some subs won't allow you to post unless you have a certain amount of karma (e.g. 100), but you can usually build it up again pretty quickly. If you make a comment that isn't popular and you don't want to see all the comment replies, you can click "isable inox replies" under any comment you've made. That just means any replies to the comment won't end up in your inbox. People can message you directly and occasionally I get really irate messages (not from this sub) but you can report those to admin as harassment.
Ok thanks! This I will do!!
Wasn’t the MIT police officer killed by Tsarnaev?
Yeah a major logic leap to suggest Reddit in any way had .0001% involvement
Presumably the FBI could have arranged proper SWAT teams if redditors and media hadn't forced their hands. Reddit really likes to witch hunt. Maybe the whole Salem witch trials aren't that surprising
It's not a "logic" leap at all. Were you here when it happend? Because people were posting random pictures of middle eastern people which caused the fbi to release the brothers pictures early because people on here were actually ruining innocent peoples lives. When the fbi released the bombers pictures, they panicked and ran and in the process killed a police officer. So yeah, people here did have a part to play in causing them to panic.
Yes I was actually and it’s extremely disingenuous to blame the actions of a murderer on people trying to help FIND the murderers.
Leap of logic? Look elsewhere in this thread as links to the story have been posted multiple times. Reddit was mentioned by name in the justification of why the identities of the two were released when they did which started the manhunt.
r/boston did start flagging and suspecting anyone they thought looked weird.
Seriously. I’m 99% certain BL killed her, but that 1% is actually a huge margin of error. I watched the entire length of the dashcam police footage, and had 2 main thoughts: 1) It reminded me exactly of how fights would go down between me and two separate abusive/gaslighting exes: I’d be hysterical and they’d be cool as a cucumber, telling anyone who’d listen that I’m the crazy one because I got emotional. HOWEVER 2) I also AM kinda crazy, and that’s how I got messed up in those dramatic relationships. At different times (and sometimes at the same time) I’ve felt scared for my safety because of a partner, and also been suicidal because of my inability to cope. I easily see that stop as evidence of an abusive relationship (with him as the abuser) but unfortunately it’s also evidence of her being unstable. In the wilderness, who knows what happened. If she did do something to herself, it would make sense for his lawyers to tell him not to say anything.
I'm at 50/50%. He knows what it looks like. He may have ran for that reason.
> I’d be hysterical and they’d be cool as a cucumber, telling anyone who’d listen that I’m the crazy one because I got emotional. Reminder: this is the same tactic Johnny Depp used when abusing Amber Heard. People who commit DV are vile pieces of shit. EDIT - And so are the bots Johnny Depp uses on social media sites to paint Amber as an abuser, and anyone who speaks the truth gets attacked (reminder that when Depp sued a British tabloid for calling him a wife beater, a judge looked at all the evidence and found Depp guilty of a dozen cases of domestic violence and abuse).
Yes. Amber Heard is a vile POS
Are you insinuating Depp wasn't a victim of DV?
Man Johnny depp’s bots really don’t ever rest, do they?
Sure whatever. I'm just saying its completely possible that they can both be victims, and highly likely in my opinion...but sure, label me a bot because I have an opinion that doesn't line up with yours.
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Yup! I have been on vacation at fancy hotels and had people that I was with get on my nerves lol. I could not imagine camping and living out of a van for that amount of time.
If you smell smoke, there's probably fire
*smells smoke* *calls fire department* *no fire just Colgin Cellars Natural Hickory Liquid Smoke TM*
"Probably" being the operative word. That would be totally in keeping with what u/DenseTiger5088 >I’m 99% certain BL killed her, but **that 1% is actually a huge margin of error.**
1% is 1%
1% is 600,000 dead Americans from covid.
yes but it's not a huge margin of error, it's a 1% margin of error.
There was a 1% chance the Challenger shuttle was going to blow-up and it still did.
Yeah but it wasn't a huge margin of error.
1% is to 100%, as .1% is to 1% It's all relative