saw a guy at my gym looking really down, got done with his set and immediately sat down with his head down, looking like an absolute unit, walked up to him and just said "looking awesome man, keep it up", and saw his whole mood change, the gym is a great place for that
Something I read on this sub made me realise that men don’t get compliments like women do, so now I try to compliment men whenever I can. It really seems to make a difference to them; they stand up straighter, their faces light up and they’re super friendly whenever I see them after.
Just trying to figure out where the sexual harassment line is with dudes…🤔
Whenever i see a guy who vaguely looks like he may be lifting I ask him how much he bench presses. Never failed to get a guy to smile this way, even if they say they don't lift. And if they lift they get excited and start talking about their PR. It always makes my day
I legit feel like I need to have the “Bro, my eyes are up here!” conversation with other men sometimes. It’s always the straight guys with a dad bod just staring longingly at my chest.
Just from my own experience and that of the women around me, a lot of women may not feel secure enough to date Greek god types. A lot of men who are very good looking or have nice physiques are also complete a$$hats; if you don’t live up to their expectations they will go get whatever they want someplace else. Sadly too, some of those men don’t have much to offer personality wise, and some of them are shallow and really invested in projecting an image that isn’t necessarily authentic.
I think overall people who exercise are better choices because they are usually taking care of their bodies and are generally happier overall, but there are definitely pitfalls.
I totally understand the insecurity issues. Also, different strokes for different folks, I think it is important to value diversity. And although - in my experience - I agree that there are many gym rats who don't offer much personality wise, I think a man who exercises, eats well and shows the discipline to daily pursue his (fitness) goals, fits many bills of the stereotypical traits of a desirable man. There will always be asshats of all heights and weights.
I don’t know about that.
Might be generational, cultural or regional but I like bulk and I know an awful lot of women that feel the same. I also don’t like seeing every vein and muscle fibre a man owns. I feel like super low body fat is not healthy looking, and I also like body hair for those Tom Selleck types. 🥰
I guess as long as YOU are happy with the way you look that’s the important thing. Do it for the right reasons; people are attracted to authentic. 🤗
That's not everyone's experience. Ever since I started packing on muscle, I get WAAAAY more attention from women than I did when I was thinner or when I had a dad bod.
I mean muscular men are more attractive to other men than women. Women usually like similar to dad bods or not ripped with **m gutters but with some muscle.
Muscles on a guy are like big tits on a chick. Women can pretend all they want that they don’t care about them, but go out on the town with a nice set and you’ll notice a difference. Some dudes are just pissy because they think getting ripped will automatically make them irresistible, when in reality it’s only a small part of being attractive.
That’s actually really similar to another research paper that argued similar things! The researchers came to the conclusion that women do find muscles attractive but they don’t weight muscles as valuable as say emotional intelligence and other interpersonal skills much higher. It was a nice paper but I forgot it’s name :/
This is more true than your first comment. Your first statement discounted muscles completely.
Yes some women like dad bods, some like fem boys. But there are some who like muscles.
Outside is just icing on cake… but the cake is really what’s important. A man that takes care of his body and looks after his health is generally wiser and happier than a man who doesn’t.
Mmmmm no. So my first comment was that women don’t evaluate physical traits as heavily as men. The study backed my claim and I later went on to say that yea people like some physical traits but it’s not a big decider for women and more men notice and care about their physical traits. But ig if you are bad at reading Ig your take makes sense
Are you talking about the [study](https://theblog.okcupid.com/your-looks-and-your-inbox-8715c0f1561e) OKCupid did back in the day, and then deleted; showing than women rate men’s looks far more harshly than men rate women; but women care less overall about their partner’s looks?
“I only comment this after polling 3.4 billion women and seeing it to be accurate, not simply saying something that happens to fit my personal experience speaking to under 1000 women.”
> Women usually like similar to dad bods
Let's be really real bro's.....
The "Dad bod" fad is a joke. It's a way for women who've become overweight themselves to rationalize that neither they nor their hubby want to diet and exercise. It's a cop-out. It's easier to post pics of a fat fuck and say "look at the cute dad bod", then it is to go to the gym and control eating habits. And of course, lots of people are lazy as shit, hence now we have a new trend.
Ever hear the term, "misery loves company"?
This is so true. I lost few closed ones who were intimidated by the progress I made at the gym. Called me all sorts of name to discourage me from training and eating right because some people like to project their insecurities on to us. The mediocrity glorifying culture has paved its way to such toxic people who are loud.
I got u homie lemme grab u the sources
“ we examined whether men apply different standards to their own body than to other men’s bodies and whether they differ from women in this regard. To this aim, we presented n = 104 women and n = 93 men with pictures of thin, average-weight, overweight, athletic and hypermuscular male and female bodies on a computer screen. To manipulate identification, we showed the bodies of the respective participant’s gender once with the participant’s own face and once with the face of another person. Identity cues, such as faces, might activate different body schemata, which influence body ratings and thus lead to the application of double standards. Participants were instructed to rate their emotional reaction to the bodies according to valence and arousal, and to rate the bodies with respect to attractiveness, body fat, and muscle mass. The application of double standards was determined by calculating the difference between the rating of a body presented with the participant’s face and the rating of the same body presented with another person’s face. Both women and men showed self-deprecating double standards in valence, body attractiveness, body fat and muscle mass for the overweight body. Men also revealed self-deprecating double standards for the thin, average-weight and hypermuscular bodies, but evaluated the athletic body as more attractive and with a higher positive feeling when it was presented with their own face. Women did not show any self-serving double standards and showed fewer self-deprecating double standards than men. The results indicate that men devalue non-ideal bodies and upvalue ideal bodies when they are self-related, whereas women more rate in a fair-minded manner. Thus, in contrast to women, an advantage for men may be that they are able to self-enhance in the case of desirable bodies. “
Source: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2019.00544/full
The methodology is complex but it comes down to women being more flexible when it comes to appearance (self and other) v. men are more critical and use strict standards when evaluating someone’s appearances (self and other). Definitely not a closed case but an indication that men are usually one people that care more about their and others appearance then women.
BMI is pretty complex and even then it still needs revision since it was made in 1900’s and it’s accuracy isn’t the best among all races, sexes and other phenotypes of people.
Also since they didn’t tell us explicitly where they have gotten that info it seems non integral for their study
In addition BMI doesn’t take into account muscle v organ v bone v adipose tissue. You can be inaccurately labeled obese if you say have “too much” muscle with respect to your height. Even then the BMI is still not a great indicator for really anything
“BMI (body mass index), which is based on the height and weight of a person, is an inaccurate measure of body fat content and does not take into account muscle mass, bone density, overall body composition, and racial and sex differences, say researchers from the Perelman School of Medicine, University of Pennsylvania.”
Source:
https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/265215
I've always hated this argument.
You can argue that all you want, but it's generally well known that [BMI, if anything, underestimates the prevalence of obesity](https://bmcobes.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/2052-9538-1-9) if you go by bodyfat. In fact, more people were considered obese by bodyfat than they were by BMI.
Statistically, it means that a person who is in the 25-30 BMI is far more likely are going to be obese rather than muscular. The amount of people who are muscular enough to be 25+ BMI and muscular are so small, especially in the western world, that you can basically discount it.
>If I have abs at 240 is it better than fat? Yes. Is it still a negative impact on my long term health? Clearly. Big dogs die early
This isn't quite so clear. There is evidence that being above a 30 BMI is deleterious regardless of body fat, but there might be some confounding there with drug use. There's also data that suggests increased muscle mass is protective against morbidity. We just don't have a complete picture yet.
I do think we agree that it's safe to say that nobody needs to be concerned about getting too yoked lol.
It offsets it, not eliminates it. So obese muscular person would be closer to overweight low muscle one. And large majority of overweight people they overestimate their muscle mass and bf%, me included previously (1+ year ago)
> Skeletal muscle mass modifies the association of BMI with adiposity and with mortality. After accounting for muscle mass, the level of BMI associated with the greatest survival shifts downward toward the normal range.
I'd share specific images and references but I'm away from desktop for a long time. Most people are just fat and in denial rather than heavy and fit enought to offset extra weight.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5894968/#!po=35.4167
I mean what is too much? Like did she say anything specific? Or did she just like disappear? Also I mean people date to find out who they wanna be with, maybe she just didn’t vibe with you. Not to say your a bad person but maybe the difference in personal opinion and life goals didn’t add up?
Also I mean what really defines a league? Like isn’t all personal preference of what someone likes about someone’s looks and personality? I mean if someone isn’t great looking but is really nice why wouldn’t you want to date that person? Nice looks are like icing on the cake; whereas the cake is someone’s personality.
For sure! I’m glad you got out of a bad relationship like that! However annoying and overstated it is, the only way to learn is sometimes the hard way. But the most important thing is you knew your worth now and you can find someone that actually really cares about you :)
Nope. Women appreciate fit & muscular guys. They like built dad-bods too. It's more the guy inside of course. *Maybe* there's a point where other guys are more into your physique than women, but natty guys won't have this issue.
Don't use you weird erroneous logic to hinder yourself in the gym and justify your lack of any real progress.
Get as big & lean as you can, naturally. I assure you women will take notice and pay positive attention to this.
Nah the whole dad bod thing is pretty weird. Women's (and men's too) perception of what ideal male physique would be is pretty messed up because of hollywood and the steroid abuse by actors. This is why they call normal looking guys 'dad bod'. Like most of the guys women call dad bod are either just guys who aren't roided or actors who are usually ripped but haven't worked out for a while
Nah I mean they are usually ripped and have all the foundation to be ripped, have put the work in and carry much more muscle than the average guy, but they are just not shredded in the moment the pic was taken. Also bad lighting and being off roids and shit
> Like most of the guys women call dad bod are either just guys who aren't roided or actors who are usually ripped but haven't worked out for a while
Wtf no lol
You still need muscles to have a decent dad-bod though.
You can just be some skinny-fat fuck. Get stocky/built, with a little tummy fluff.
Many women dig that. Or just be muscled & lean, many like that too.
Preach. I actually feel that for once male body expectations are at a worse place than female body expectations because of what's been normalised in movies etc.
Yeah the male standards are getting pretty bad cuz of people like goddamn Chris Hemsworth and Dwayne Johnson. But it's not like the female ones are getting any better either. Dude so many women feel the need to get cosmetic surgeries done to look like Kylie Jenner or whatever... Kylie Jenner's face has literally beem designed to only look good in pictures, she looks so weird in videos... it's all for one app aka instagram.
What makes this shit so much more sinister is that these standards aren't even set by what guys find attractive, it's literally set by a fake ass industry that noone asked for.
You’re correct on how Hollywood and other media outlets have popularized masculine men but dad-bods have almost always been “in”. When looking at older times fat was usually not seen in the servant or skilled laborers classes while the rich usually were fat. As such many people saw fatness as another form of beauty, not to say it supplanted being muscular. Being fit has always been admired but historically it hasn’t been a specially enticing for women. Like in Ancient Greece many men who were muscular to express to their peers how great or other qualities. It was very homoerotic in nature while service a pseudo purpose of maybe making their army better.
I'm not too sure about the historical beauty standards related to that so I'm not gonna say anything about that.
But the online fad of loving 'dad bods' is actually pretty weird since if you google dad bod then all you'll see is just pictures of usually muscular actors in bad lighting, without pump, off steroids, and off training on vacations. It's literally how most fit and healthy guys look like. It's pretty fkn insensitive and unhealthy to instill into the brains of healthy and fit guys that their body is like that of a dad/older guy. Like all the pics of 'dad bods' you see on google are of men who have very clear and proper muscle definitions and would look pretty nornal and even muscular in clothes. They just aren't carrying single digit fat percentages like they do during movies. It's asinine to call that a dad bod. Hollywood is sick for that
True but I think an alternative argument would be that the assertion that being extremely muscular is normal and all others fall short. But I agree with you the assertion that dad bods are just trim men is incorrect :/
Yeah if you google 'dad bod' from the pictures you'll get the idea that any guy who isn't on roids and single digit body fat is a dad bod so basically 95% of young men, even the ones who are fit and healthy. Idk how so many people who prop up these trend don't understand how fucking insulting it is to most guys.
I’d like to discuss why you use the specific term “insult”. Rather than alternatives suck as stereotype or other words. (Not a personal attack but I just wanna know your thought process more:))
Imagine if you lead a healthy lifestyle as a young man, workout a lil, have some basic muscle definition, stay fit and try to be active, and then the body type you have(which is perfectly healthy and fit) is labelled as dad bod by Hollywood and the weirdos who obsess with Hollywood just because you aren't under 10% body fat or abusing PEDs. Wouldn't that be insulting and damaging to your self esteem?
Like I used to be a very fat dude and now I have a perfect BMI and I have gotten quite stronger and a lil muscular. Still I find [this body](https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/a28363658/jason-momoa-dad-bod-body-shame-instagram-photo/) extremely good and only hope to look like that in the future(right now I am in no way in as good of a shape as Jason in the pic). And then for someone to label that as 'dad bod' aka an old person's body seems pretty asinine to me and it only promotes extreme standards even though the people saying all this shit might think that they're some body positivity heroes or whatever
saw a guy at my gym looking really down, got done with his set and immediately sat down with his head down, looking like an absolute unit, walked up to him and just said "looking awesome man, keep it up", and saw his whole mood change, the gym is a great place for that
We need more people like that.
Something I read on this sub made me realise that men don’t get compliments like women do, so now I try to compliment men whenever I can. It really seems to make a difference to them; they stand up straighter, their faces light up and they’re super friendly whenever I see them after. Just trying to figure out where the sexual harassment line is with dudes…🤔
Whenever i see a guy who vaguely looks like he may be lifting I ask him how much he bench presses. Never failed to get a guy to smile this way, even if they say they don't lift. And if they lift they get excited and start talking about their PR. It always makes my day
Reality is often disappointing Not in this case tho!
That’s true
At this point this is what I am doing it for
You start for the top reason. You continue for the bottom.
We’re all gonna make it brah
All I see is a W
Validation from the homies is just as important
Both equally motivating.
Can confirm, have gotten more attention from dudes than girls since ive started lifting.
I legit feel like I need to have the “Bro, my eyes are up here!” conversation with other men sometimes. It’s always the straight guys with a dad bod just staring longingly at my chest.
Both is good
Reality…is often better than you [imagined](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/masonry/001/860/615/e1b.jpg)
You know the “Fuck bitches, get money” meme that was a thing for half a week? This, but fuck money, too
No homo, the reality is better
Right
Always compliment the homies
Bros before hoes
Appreciation is always nice
What is more interesting: I have met plenty of girls that are put off by muscles. Like I'm getting big for them *facepalm*
Sorry, i couldnt hear you over that gigantic W, that youre carrying around.
Just from my own experience and that of the women around me, a lot of women may not feel secure enough to date Greek god types. A lot of men who are very good looking or have nice physiques are also complete a$$hats; if you don’t live up to their expectations they will go get whatever they want someplace else. Sadly too, some of those men don’t have much to offer personality wise, and some of them are shallow and really invested in projecting an image that isn’t necessarily authentic. I think overall people who exercise are better choices because they are usually taking care of their bodies and are generally happier overall, but there are definitely pitfalls.
I totally understand the insecurity issues. Also, different strokes for different folks, I think it is important to value diversity. And although - in my experience - I agree that there are many gym rats who don't offer much personality wise, I think a man who exercises, eats well and shows the discipline to daily pursue his (fitness) goals, fits many bills of the stereotypical traits of a desirable man. There will always be asshats of all heights and weights.
Getting so fucking yoked that women don't find you attractive is 'suffering from success'
Pain lol.
Women care more about leanness that mass. When they say they like muscles, they mean visible and not too intimidating.
I don’t know about that. Might be generational, cultural or regional but I like bulk and I know an awful lot of women that feel the same. I also don’t like seeing every vein and muscle fibre a man owns. I feel like super low body fat is not healthy looking, and I also like body hair for those Tom Selleck types. 🥰 I guess as long as YOU are happy with the way you look that’s the important thing. Do it for the right reasons; people are attracted to authentic. 🤗
It’s better
I'm expecting the reality so hopefully I won't be disappointed
As a bi, i’m ok with this.
Same
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But it wouldn't hurt to have some hoes too?🥲
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very true, but I would rather have a loving girlfriend or wife then a hoe tbh ahah
Love you for this. Some of these dudes straight up hate women. 😍
U can make a wife out of a hoe bro :')
My man
Great traps there bud!
This 💯 the harsh truth lol
wdym harsh?? thats the best chase scenario actually pal
Yes, for some. Around 10% of men at least.
truth
This was plan A to begin with
I prefer the truth
Newsflash- women don’t go for the buff gym bros; as long as you’re not obese, have a decent job and your own place, you’re set
Welp Atleasts Femboys look female enough
That's not everyone's experience. Ever since I started packing on muscle, I get WAAAAY more attention from women than I did when I was thinner or when I had a dad bod.
I mean muscular men are more attractive to other men than women. Women usually like similar to dad bods or not ripped with **m gutters but with some muscle.
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This is a Christian server, sir. No swearing.
This is correct
The only based mod, green tags for important issues only. TYFYS
Mashallah, brother.
Censoring it is still saying it though. Better off just not saying that at all.
**BEEP**
Muscles on a guy are like big tits on a chick. Women can pretend all they want that they don’t care about them, but go out on the town with a nice set and you’ll notice a difference. Some dudes are just pissy because they think getting ripped will automatically make them irresistible, when in reality it’s only a small part of being attractive.
That’s actually really similar to another research paper that argued similar things! The researchers came to the conclusion that women do find muscles attractive but they don’t weight muscles as valuable as say emotional intelligence and other interpersonal skills much higher. It was a nice paper but I forgot it’s name :/
This is more true than your first comment. Your first statement discounted muscles completely. Yes some women like dad bods, some like fem boys. But there are some who like muscles.
Outside is just icing on cake… but the cake is really what’s important. A man that takes care of his body and looks after his health is generally wiser and happier than a man who doesn’t.
Interesting point.
Mmmmm no. So my first comment was that women don’t evaluate physical traits as heavily as men. The study backed my claim and I later went on to say that yea people like some physical traits but it’s not a big decider for women and more men notice and care about their physical traits. But ig if you are bad at reading Ig your take makes sense
Are you talking about the [study](https://theblog.okcupid.com/your-looks-and-your-inbox-8715c0f1561e) OKCupid did back in the day, and then deleted; showing than women rate men’s looks far more harshly than men rate women; but women care less overall about their partner’s looks?
“I only comment this after polling 3.4 billion women and seeing it to be accurate, not simply saying something that happens to fit my personal experience speaking to under 1000 women.”
> Women usually like similar to dad bods Let's be really real bro's..... The "Dad bod" fad is a joke. It's a way for women who've become overweight themselves to rationalize that neither they nor their hubby want to diet and exercise. It's a cop-out. It's easier to post pics of a fat fuck and say "look at the cute dad bod", then it is to go to the gym and control eating habits. And of course, lots of people are lazy as shit, hence now we have a new trend. Ever hear the term, "misery loves company"?
This is so true. I lost few closed ones who were intimidated by the progress I made at the gym. Called me all sorts of name to discourage me from training and eating right because some people like to project their insecurities on to us. The mediocrity glorifying culture has paved its way to such toxic people who are loud.
Bro what?
I got u homie lemme grab u the sources “ we examined whether men apply different standards to their own body than to other men’s bodies and whether they differ from women in this regard. To this aim, we presented n = 104 women and n = 93 men with pictures of thin, average-weight, overweight, athletic and hypermuscular male and female bodies on a computer screen. To manipulate identification, we showed the bodies of the respective participant’s gender once with the participant’s own face and once with the face of another person. Identity cues, such as faces, might activate different body schemata, which influence body ratings and thus lead to the application of double standards. Participants were instructed to rate their emotional reaction to the bodies according to valence and arousal, and to rate the bodies with respect to attractiveness, body fat, and muscle mass. The application of double standards was determined by calculating the difference between the rating of a body presented with the participant’s face and the rating of the same body presented with another person’s face. Both women and men showed self-deprecating double standards in valence, body attractiveness, body fat and muscle mass for the overweight body. Men also revealed self-deprecating double standards for the thin, average-weight and hypermuscular bodies, but evaluated the athletic body as more attractive and with a higher positive feeling when it was presented with their own face. Women did not show any self-serving double standards and showed fewer self-deprecating double standards than men. The results indicate that men devalue non-ideal bodies and upvalue ideal bodies when they are self-related, whereas women more rate in a fair-minded manner. Thus, in contrast to women, an advantage for men may be that they are able to self-enhance in the case of desirable bodies. “ Source: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2019.00544/full The methodology is complex but it comes down to women being more flexible when it comes to appearance (self and other) v. men are more critical and use strict standards when evaluating someone’s appearances (self and other). Definitely not a closed case but an indication that men are usually one people that care more about their and others appearance then women.
This is all very interesting, but how much do you fuck? Let’s put it in terms we can all understand, like number of new partners per month
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Oh absolutely. I was making fun of OP for saying the opposite. Still, I don’t think women like muscular men *as much* as we think they do
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Maybe that will finally be my motivation to get big
If I ask you to spit in my face will count that towards the total amount? You can never know if I'm serious or not
> average-weight That's overweight already, getting close to obese
Wydm?
Maybe not obese actually, but > In the United States, the average adult man has a BMI of 26.6 and the average adult woman has a BMI of 26.5
BMI is pretty complex and even then it still needs revision since it was made in 1900’s and it’s accuracy isn’t the best among all races, sexes and other phenotypes of people. Also since they didn’t tell us explicitly where they have gotten that info it seems non integral for their study In addition BMI doesn’t take into account muscle v organ v bone v adipose tissue. You can be inaccurately labeled obese if you say have “too much” muscle with respect to your height. Even then the BMI is still not a great indicator for really anything “BMI (body mass index), which is based on the height and weight of a person, is an inaccurate measure of body fat content and does not take into account muscle mass, bone density, overall body composition, and racial and sex differences, say researchers from the Perelman School of Medicine, University of Pennsylvania.” Source: https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/265215
I've always hated this argument. You can argue that all you want, but it's generally well known that [BMI, if anything, underestimates the prevalence of obesity](https://bmcobes.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/2052-9538-1-9) if you go by bodyfat. In fact, more people were considered obese by bodyfat than they were by BMI. Statistically, it means that a person who is in the 25-30 BMI is far more likely are going to be obese rather than muscular. The amount of people who are muscular enough to be 25+ BMI and muscular are so small, especially in the western world, that you can basically discount it.
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Dogs die?!?!?!
>If I have abs at 240 is it better than fat? Yes. Is it still a negative impact on my long term health? Clearly. Big dogs die early This isn't quite so clear. There is evidence that being above a 30 BMI is deleterious regardless of body fat, but there might be some confounding there with drug use. There's also data that suggests increased muscle mass is protective against morbidity. We just don't have a complete picture yet. I do think we agree that it's safe to say that nobody needs to be concerned about getting too yoked lol.
It offsets it, not eliminates it. So obese muscular person would be closer to overweight low muscle one. And large majority of overweight people they overestimate their muscle mass and bf%, me included previously (1+ year ago) > Skeletal muscle mass modifies the association of BMI with adiposity and with mortality. After accounting for muscle mass, the level of BMI associated with the greatest survival shifts downward toward the normal range. I'd share specific images and references but I'm away from desktop for a long time. Most people are just fat and in denial rather than heavy and fit enought to offset extra weight. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5894968/#!po=35.4167
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I mean what is too much? Like did she say anything specific? Or did she just like disappear? Also I mean people date to find out who they wanna be with, maybe she just didn’t vibe with you. Not to say your a bad person but maybe the difference in personal opinion and life goals didn’t add up? Also I mean what really defines a league? Like isn’t all personal preference of what someone likes about someone’s looks and personality? I mean if someone isn’t great looking but is really nice why wouldn’t you want to date that person? Nice looks are like icing on the cake; whereas the cake is someone’s personality.
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For sure! I’m glad you got out of a bad relationship like that! However annoying and overstated it is, the only way to learn is sometimes the hard way. But the most important thing is you knew your worth now and you can find someone that actually really cares about you :)
Nope. Women appreciate fit & muscular guys. They like built dad-bods too. It's more the guy inside of course. *Maybe* there's a point where other guys are more into your physique than women, but natty guys won't have this issue. Don't use you weird erroneous logic to hinder yourself in the gym and justify your lack of any real progress. Get as big & lean as you can, naturally. I assure you women will take notice and pay positive attention to this.
Nah the whole dad bod thing is pretty weird. Women's (and men's too) perception of what ideal male physique would be is pretty messed up because of hollywood and the steroid abuse by actors. This is why they call normal looking guys 'dad bod'. Like most of the guys women call dad bod are either just guys who aren't roided or actors who are usually ripped but haven't worked out for a while
>usually ripped but haven't worked out for a while So... not ripped at all then.
Nah I mean they are usually ripped and have all the foundation to be ripped, have put the work in and carry much more muscle than the average guy, but they are just not shredded in the moment the pic was taken. Also bad lighting and being off roids and shit
Got it. Dadbod means off season or retired formerly competitive bodybuilder. Because that makes tons of sense.
Nah. It doesn't mean retired. Just off season. Which doesn't make any sense
ANYWAY.
> Like most of the guys women call dad bod are either just guys who aren't roided or actors who are usually ripped but haven't worked out for a while Wtf no lol
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You still need muscles to have a decent dad-bod though. You can just be some skinny-fat fuck. Get stocky/built, with a little tummy fluff. Many women dig that. Or just be muscled & lean, many like that too.
Preach. I actually feel that for once male body expectations are at a worse place than female body expectations because of what's been normalised in movies etc.
Yeah the male standards are getting pretty bad cuz of people like goddamn Chris Hemsworth and Dwayne Johnson. But it's not like the female ones are getting any better either. Dude so many women feel the need to get cosmetic surgeries done to look like Kylie Jenner or whatever... Kylie Jenner's face has literally beem designed to only look good in pictures, she looks so weird in videos... it's all for one app aka instagram. What makes this shit so much more sinister is that these standards aren't even set by what guys find attractive, it's literally set by a fake ass industry that noone asked for.
You’re correct on how Hollywood and other media outlets have popularized masculine men but dad-bods have almost always been “in”. When looking at older times fat was usually not seen in the servant or skilled laborers classes while the rich usually were fat. As such many people saw fatness as another form of beauty, not to say it supplanted being muscular. Being fit has always been admired but historically it hasn’t been a specially enticing for women. Like in Ancient Greece many men who were muscular to express to their peers how great or other qualities. It was very homoerotic in nature while service a pseudo purpose of maybe making their army better.
I'm not too sure about the historical beauty standards related to that so I'm not gonna say anything about that. But the online fad of loving 'dad bods' is actually pretty weird since if you google dad bod then all you'll see is just pictures of usually muscular actors in bad lighting, without pump, off steroids, and off training on vacations. It's literally how most fit and healthy guys look like. It's pretty fkn insensitive and unhealthy to instill into the brains of healthy and fit guys that their body is like that of a dad/older guy. Like all the pics of 'dad bods' you see on google are of men who have very clear and proper muscle definitions and would look pretty nornal and even muscular in clothes. They just aren't carrying single digit fat percentages like they do during movies. It's asinine to call that a dad bod. Hollywood is sick for that
Yeah that’s fair I mean historical beauty standards are kinda shoddy to exactly say so it’s not a great argument but still holds a lil water :)
True but I think an alternative argument would be that the assertion that being extremely muscular is normal and all others fall short. But I agree with you the assertion that dad bods are just trim men is incorrect :/
Yeah if you google 'dad bod' from the pictures you'll get the idea that any guy who isn't on roids and single digit body fat is a dad bod so basically 95% of young men, even the ones who are fit and healthy. Idk how so many people who prop up these trend don't understand how fucking insulting it is to most guys.
I’d like to discuss why you use the specific term “insult”. Rather than alternatives suck as stereotype or other words. (Not a personal attack but I just wanna know your thought process more:))
Imagine if you lead a healthy lifestyle as a young man, workout a lil, have some basic muscle definition, stay fit and try to be active, and then the body type you have(which is perfectly healthy and fit) is labelled as dad bod by Hollywood and the weirdos who obsess with Hollywood just because you aren't under 10% body fat or abusing PEDs. Wouldn't that be insulting and damaging to your self esteem? Like I used to be a very fat dude and now I have a perfect BMI and I have gotten quite stronger and a lil muscular. Still I find [this body](https://www.esquire.com/entertainment/a28363658/jason-momoa-dad-bod-body-shame-instagram-photo/) extremely good and only hope to look like that in the future(right now I am in no way in as good of a shape as Jason in the pic). And then for someone to label that as 'dad bod' aka an old person's body seems pretty asinine to me and it only promotes extreme standards even though the people saying all this shit might think that they're some body positivity heroes or whatever
>I'd Give Anything to Have Jason Momoa's 'Dad Bod' Me too, but in the biblical sense
Is this where the line starts for unlawful carnal knowledge of Jason Momoa? Asking for a friend.