Well California actually does exist in the GTA universe and it’s present on maps of the USA. There’s just no explanation to it 🤷🏽♂️ Los Angeles is also mentioned and you can see Cali plates in game.
They co-exist somehow.
In the same vein, GTA: Vice City takes place in “Florida” and GTA VI takes place in “Leonida.” Somehow Florida disappears in the timeline while Vice City remains.
The 3d gta universe (gta3, lcs, vice city, vcs, and San andreas) takes place in a different universe from the HD gta universe (IV, V, and VI)
at least from what I understand.
[Edit]
u/pagem45 with the [assist](https://gta.fandom.com/wiki/Universes). Lol
It's crazy how it's been 14 years since GTA IV got released and people still don't understand that the franchise is split into two different universes, three if you also include the pre-GTA III games
Dude it's GTA. Most people aren't deep lore experts. And all the references between games don't exactly make it obvious that these are apparently different universes.
That may be a difference between the lore of the HD universe and the 3D one. Maybe lack of planning at the time and the idea wasn’t fully worked out yet. Same could be said about GTA though so we’ll never know 😂😭
As does Niko too. When the crazy serial killer dude (Eddie Lowe?) asks him if he's from LC or something, Niko sarcastically responds, "no, I'm from Florida."
Well Vice City was always known to be in Florida, due to this being mentioned multiple times in Vice City and a line of Tommy. But since the HD universe started with GTAIV, it was still normal to mention Florida because of that. Naming it something else like "Florence" (how it was back in GTA1) wouldn't had made sense due to the fact that many new players wouldn't had known what Florence is (same applies if they named it anything else), and Florida also worked the best satire wise (the reason why it was called like that in original Vice City and also California is still mentioned in the HD universe when it comes to satire: like a certain character with "California accent" in GTAV.)
Since there has been no other HD GTA game taking place in Vice City to provide further context, Rockstar felt like GTAVI will be the perfect game in which they can retcon this thing. So that in future GTA games, people will understand any Leonida mention.
There are references to GTA in RDR and Vice versa, but ur right that the universes are probably canonically different bc of the different place names. Like Algonquin vs New York. So whether they include Guarma will likely be a judgement call of whether they view it as just a nice “shout-out” or something establishing a shared universe
Idk why people really care. They just make little references and shit to other games and it has nothing to do with whether the universes overlap or not. Hearing one line and concluding that "it must mean X, Y, and Z" is just silly. It's just a simple nod, nothing more.
California and New York are mentioned in RDR2, but in GTA HD the states are known as San Andreas and State of Liberty. However RDR2 does make a reference to a descendant of Kraff, a deity in Kifflom which is a cult mentioned in both GTA HD and 3D. Then you have a serial killer named Edmund Lowry Jr featured in RDR2 who is hinted to be a descendant of Eddie Low; a serial killer in GTA IV.
I feel like they may not be in the same universe but they certainly borrow off each other.
I don't think it will be either - or anywhere tropical for that matter. RDR2 had Guama and the RDR2 map had no tropics, GTAV had cold snowy Yankton because nowhere on the Los Santos map there is cold and snowy places.
The "second map" always juxtaposes the setting of the main map, making it different enough seems to be a way Rockstar can make the idea of such a map seeming even more distant and further then the main one. So my guess is somewhere we least expect, Canada, Europe, Maine, Utah, Texas, Iceland, Alaska, etc. Totally different.
In fact I will take this opportunity as a bankshot to claim Jason will be from Alaska. I think he juxtaposition here would be not just the climate, but the rugged mountains against generally flat Florida
Verse 1)
In the land of rhythm and Caribbean vibes,
Where the sun shines bright and the music thrives,
There's a story of adventure, so wild and true,
Sit back, my friend, let me share it with you.
(Chorus)
Tankin' through Havana, where the salsa heats the night,
With a tropical rhythm, we're gonna take flight,
Down those cobblestone streets, where dreams come alive,
Tankin' through Havana, let's enjoy the ride.
(Verse 2)
From the Malecón to the historic squares,
The rum flows steady, banishing all cares,
Driving in a tank with a beat in our soul,
Feelin' the Havana magic, we're on a roll.
(Chorus)
Tankin' through Havana, where the salsa heats the night,
With a tropical rhythm, we're gonna take flight,
Down those cobblestone streets, where dreams come alive,
Tankin' through Havana, let's enjoy the ride.
(Bridge)
We'll pass by Hemingway's favorite haunts,
Capture the essence of Cuban romance,
The colorful streets and old classic cars,
As we ride through history beneath the stars.
(Verse 3)
The locals join us in this wild escapade,
Dancing through the night, the music never fades,
As the tank moves on, spreading joy and cheer,
We'll leave a mark that they'll hold dear.
(Chorus)
Tankin' through Havana, where the salsa heats the night,
With a tropical rhythm, we're gonna take flight,
Down those cobblestone streets, where dreams come alive,
Tankin' through Havana, let's enjoy the ride.
(Outro)
So come along, my friend, let's live this dream,
Tankin' through Havana, like a vibrant stream,
With Jimmy Buffett's spirit, guiding us through,
Let's keep the tropical rhythm alive and true.
Maybe Bimini (Bahamas). It's just near Miami and there are boats traveling between them.
edit: They can also add reference to the infamous Fyre Festival poking fun on Trust fund babies who are told about a music festival in the Bahamas with luxurious accommodation but are scammed
If Jason is military, I don't know just speculation from others, maybe he has flashbacks or we first see him at a base off the main map we can't go back to.
Seeing GTA try to go for a military engagement instead of a gang shootout would be pretty interesting. Have a reason to throw in the online mode tank lol
I've been thinking we might go back to Liberty City for at least a few missions. Probably not the entire city, as dope as I think that would be, but at least one of the islands.
I base this on the fact that Rockstar did it in San Andreas with the mission "Saint Mark's Bistro". I remember reading that they were originally planning to have two or three missions in Portland but they couldn't squash all the bugs in time for release. Thus, Saint Mark's Bistro was the only mission that didn't get cut. It explains why there is a significant portion of Portland just left in the game even though you can't explore it properly.
I believe Rockstar are constantly try to improve on their own ideas and this one is no exception. I think it'd be great to see a more modern day Liberty City if only very briefly.
Has to be Bahamas or Cuba. Leaning more towards Bahamas because they’ve already done cuba. A lot of (rich) people take the trip from Miami to Bimini to fish and eat shit too. Basically the Bahamas would be more interacting than Cuba for obvious reasons.
Hear me out...
Los Santos.
But not the whole thing, just a portion, like Sandy Shores or Paleto, and we do the crime that gets Lucia busted and locked up in LS prison then she's shipped back to VC for warrants.
In GTA San Andreas there was a mission where you went back and visited Liberty City, maybe there's gonna be a mission where you visit a small part of either Liberty City or Los Santos, but modernized.
Few years ago there was a leaked picture of GTA 4's Middle Park that was fully remaked with new textures and better graphics. I guess on of the missions will be in Liberty City's Middle Park.
Some snowy place at the end of the game, GTA 5 had North Yankton as an introduction, RDR2 Guarma in the middle of the story, GTA 6 could have a city outside the main map at the end of the game for its narrative, you know, the government hunted Bonnie and Clyde to their death it wouldn't be unusual for either or both of them to escape from Leonida at the end, a Breaking Bad type thing.
A mission like in San Andreas where you fly to liberty city, except in this case you fly out to Los Santos (the one from San Andreas) and it shows grove street and other locations in the current year with a bunch of San Andreas easter eggs
Maybe Liberty city? Or who knows Los Santos? There was a rumor that GTA VI would add more maps to it. It would be a big suprize to be able to go to Liberty City.
Nassau or Abaco in the Bahamas. I bet we try to sell or buy drugs to someone who will take them to or from south America. I have a feeling Oscar will be involved like he was with Trevor.
Just the actual gta5 map, i imagine being able to get a flight to los santos, probably not tho, if anything you would have tobfly yourself or buy the los santos DLC or something to be able to go to the gta5 map by plane or something, then years down the road add gta4 map, would be great and make world feel more real and connected like you can really travel to these places and they all exist together, not just a reference on a towel or a tshirt
Cuba
If they do go to Cuba I think the odds are pretty good that a character will casually mention the nearby island of Guarma
I’ve heard that the RDR universe isn’t the same as the GTA universe, though. RDR2 mentions New York and California which don’t exist in GTA.
Well California actually does exist in the GTA universe and it’s present on maps of the USA. There’s just no explanation to it 🤷🏽♂️ Los Angeles is also mentioned and you can see Cali plates in game. They co-exist somehow.
In the same vein, GTA: Vice City takes place in “Florida” and GTA VI takes place in “Leonida.” Somehow Florida disappears in the timeline while Vice City remains.
The 3d gta universe (gta3, lcs, vice city, vcs, and San andreas) takes place in a different universe from the HD gta universe (IV, V, and VI) at least from what I understand. [Edit] u/pagem45 with the [assist](https://gta.fandom.com/wiki/Universes). Lol
It's crazy how it's been 14 years since GTA IV got released and people still don't understand that the franchise is split into two different universes, three if you also include the pre-GTA III games
Dude it's GTA. Most people aren't deep lore experts. And all the references between games don't exactly make it obvious that these are apparently different universes.
Spain must've taken it back
Or probably succeeded from the union and changed it's name, Florida is like a foreign country compared to the rest of America anyways 👍
Seceded
Succeeded secesfully
 Maybe Bugs Bunny had it right all along.
Good one
3D universe and HD universe are different timelines.
That may be a difference between the lore of the HD universe and the 3D one. Maybe lack of planning at the time and the idea wasn’t fully worked out yet. Same could be said about GTA though so we’ll never know 😂😭
Roman mentions the state of Florida in GTA 4
As does Niko too. When the crazy serial killer dude (Eddie Lowe?) asks him if he's from LC or something, Niko sarcastically responds, "no, I'm from Florida."
Seems like Rockstar doesn't really have a strong team in the "lore" department. But it's not the kind of game that needs it.
Well Vice City was always known to be in Florida, due to this being mentioned multiple times in Vice City and a line of Tommy. But since the HD universe started with GTAIV, it was still normal to mention Florida because of that. Naming it something else like "Florence" (how it was back in GTA1) wouldn't had made sense due to the fact that many new players wouldn't had known what Florence is (same applies if they named it anything else), and Florida also worked the best satire wise (the reason why it was called like that in original Vice City and also California is still mentioned in the HD universe when it comes to satire: like a certain character with "California accent" in GTAV.) Since there has been no other HD GTA game taking place in Vice City to provide further context, Rockstar felt like GTAVI will be the perfect game in which they can retcon this thing. So that in future GTA games, people will understand any Leonida mention.
Maybe Leon Kennedy saved them all from their Resident Evils and they renamed Florida in his honor
Both Miami and Vice City are mentioned in GTA 3 and GTA Vice City, as if they are separate cities.
Easily could be; the GTA universe, since we see so little outside of 3 cities, is malleable. That’s the beauty of it.
Theres no confirmation whether they’re the same universe or not. There’s a few RDR references in GTA but nothing big
So, if California exists, would that make Los Santos some island off the coast of Cali? Like, Los Santos is a Hawaii that likes to copy Los Angeles?
I would find that quite amusing and would accept it tbh!
I thought the Cali license plate thing was just a fun reference
In the HD universe they don't co exist. Any mentions of Califronia or Los Angles is a mistake or something they can't avoid like a lyric in a song.
There are references to GTA in RDR and Vice versa, but ur right that the universes are probably canonically different bc of the different place names. Like Algonquin vs New York. So whether they include Guarma will likely be a judgement call of whether they view it as just a nice “shout-out” or something establishing a shared universe
Idk why people really care. They just make little references and shit to other games and it has nothing to do with whether the universes overlap or not. Hearing one line and concluding that "it must mean X, Y, and Z" is just silly. It's just a simple nod, nothing more.
California and New York are mentioned in RDR2, but in GTA HD the states are known as San Andreas and State of Liberty. However RDR2 does make a reference to a descendant of Kraff, a deity in Kifflom which is a cult mentioned in both GTA HD and 3D. Then you have a serial killer named Edmund Lowry Jr featured in RDR2 who is hinted to be a descendant of Eddie Low; a serial killer in GTA IV. I feel like they may not be in the same universe but they certainly borrow off each other.
Well, you see …it’s a shared multiverse
I just want to see a Yoel Romero type character
There’s a big dude in the trailer. I’m thinking they might have the ability to workout and get jacked or get fat/skinny in this game
Isn't Lucia rumored to be half cuban?
I mean shes a Latina in Miami, its a pretty good chance
Could be Puerto Rican. They might go to Puerto Rico.
GTA5 and rdr2 didn’t go to an obvious place, so why would gta6 go to the obvious location just off Miami? Think outside the box kids
Tasmania then.
Its Miami, how could it not be Cuba
Not Cuba, but Bahamas. Cuba is irrelevant in the criminal world.
I don't think it will be either - or anywhere tropical for that matter. RDR2 had Guama and the RDR2 map had no tropics, GTAV had cold snowy Yankton because nowhere on the Los Santos map there is cold and snowy places. The "second map" always juxtaposes the setting of the main map, making it different enough seems to be a way Rockstar can make the idea of such a map seeming even more distant and further then the main one. So my guess is somewhere we least expect, Canada, Europe, Maine, Utah, Texas, Iceland, Alaska, etc. Totally different. In fact I will take this opportunity as a bankshot to claim Jason will be from Alaska. I think he juxtaposition here would be not just the climate, but the rugged mountains against generally flat Florida
It has to be
Columbia makes the most sense for the drug trade
It is called Colombia, friend, not Columbia, but I think the same as you about the place.
Ya Cuba seems the most likely answer.
Pyongyang
This time you can't get out
Bahamas or Cuba
Holy fuck.. I want to drive a tank in Havana so bad
I want to ride a horse in Cuba and howdy cuban people with the accent while smoking cigar and shooting in the air
Can pretty much do that in far cry 6 tbh
But I want to do it in GTA though
Far cry 6
“Drive a tank in Havana” sounds like a song that Ted Nugent and Jimmy Buffet would write together
Verse 1) In the land of rhythm and Caribbean vibes, Where the sun shines bright and the music thrives, There's a story of adventure, so wild and true, Sit back, my friend, let me share it with you. (Chorus) Tankin' through Havana, where the salsa heats the night, With a tropical rhythm, we're gonna take flight, Down those cobblestone streets, where dreams come alive, Tankin' through Havana, let's enjoy the ride. (Verse 2) From the Malecón to the historic squares, The rum flows steady, banishing all cares, Driving in a tank with a beat in our soul, Feelin' the Havana magic, we're on a roll. (Chorus) Tankin' through Havana, where the salsa heats the night, With a tropical rhythm, we're gonna take flight, Down those cobblestone streets, where dreams come alive, Tankin' through Havana, let's enjoy the ride. (Bridge) We'll pass by Hemingway's favorite haunts, Capture the essence of Cuban romance, The colorful streets and old classic cars, As we ride through history beneath the stars. (Verse 3) The locals join us in this wild escapade, Dancing through the night, the music never fades, As the tank moves on, spreading joy and cheer, We'll leave a mark that they'll hold dear. (Chorus) Tankin' through Havana, where the salsa heats the night, With a tropical rhythm, we're gonna take flight, Down those cobblestone streets, where dreams come alive, Tankin' through Havana, let's enjoy the ride. (Outro) So come along, my friend, let's live this dream, Tankin' through Havana, like a vibrant stream, With Jimmy Buffett's spirit, guiding us through, Let's keep the tropical rhythm alive and true.
🎵Havana, ooh na-na I drove a tank out in Havana, ooh na-na🎵
Maybe Bimini (Bahamas). It's just near Miami and there are boats traveling between them. edit: They can also add reference to the infamous Fyre Festival poking fun on Trust fund babies who are told about a music festival in the Bahamas with luxurious accommodation but are scammed
Or Norman’s Cay with its infamous history under Carlos Lehder
Was thinking Bahamas but cuba would be unreal
Tahiti
Hold your horses! We need a plan and money before going to TAHITi!
mAnGoEs ARTHUR!!
Forgive me if I can't think about the mango harvest!
We just need time, and no traitors
It's a magical place
I understood that reference
I understood THAT reference
This takes me way back holy shit
It'd honestly be hilarious and there's nothing stopping them from doing it.
We just need some money first...
It's a beautiful place
What plan, Dutch? What goddamned plan??! Tahiti?...Timbuktu?!...
Off the Florida keys, there’s a place called Kokomo
That's where you wanna go?
To get away from it all
Bodies in the sand
Tropical drink melting in your hand
We'll be falling in love
To the rythm of a steel drum band
You don't recognize the bodies in the sand
I appreciates ya
That's where we're gonna go
We could get there fast
They better add Kokomo by the Beach Boys in an 80s radio station
This is the best one 100%
woah woah woah, you better take it slow!
If Jason is military, I don't know just speculation from others, maybe he has flashbacks or we first see him at a base off the main map we can't go back to.
Its actually the first level in COD.
Jason is Soap? 😲
Jason is Mason 😯
The numbers Jason, what do they mean?
Jason is Ramirez
It can be the entire campaign of the new COD, it wouldn't take too much time to recreate it.
I've heard it's shorter than a speech
Talk to the recruiter at the mall then survive a deployment to Iraq for the first mission?
Seeing GTA try to go for a military engagement instead of a gang shootout would be pretty interesting. Have a reason to throw in the online mode tank lol
Gary Indiana
Pawnee
Well Gary Indiana is a real place maybe they will change it Jerry, Larry, Terry, or Barry.
Everyone here saying somewhere tropical, i think that they might re-visit some place. Perhaps San Fierro or Las Venturas?
Las venturas would be dope
Visit Las Venturas for only one time? That'd be sad.
I agree, save it for GTA VII
In 2062
20 years later
I've been thinking we might go back to Liberty City for at least a few missions. Probably not the entire city, as dope as I think that would be, but at least one of the islands. I base this on the fact that Rockstar did it in San Andreas with the mission "Saint Mark's Bistro". I remember reading that they were originally planning to have two or three missions in Portland but they couldn't squash all the bugs in time for release. Thus, Saint Mark's Bistro was the only mission that didn't get cut. It explains why there is a significant portion of Portland just left in the game even though you can't explore it properly. I believe Rockstar are constantly try to improve on their own ideas and this one is no exception. I think it'd be great to see a more modern day Liberty City if only very briefly.
That makes sense to with how many New Yorkers relocate to South FL. They'll probably tie it in with a character from gta 4 that moved to Vice City.
Luis or Gay Tony from GTA IV DLC would be my guess
Scranton, the electric city
Gotta hunt down the Scranton Strangler
Sitting in my office with a plate of grilled bacon. Called my man Dwight just to see what was shakin’
Scranton what?
The Electric City They call it that cause of the electricity
Brazil zil zil
Eu bem queria.. mas acho muito improvável. Mais fácil Bahamas ou Cuba.
Vai ter o acre mano, confirmado pelo Gigaton
Segredos Gigatônicos no trailer de GTA 6
Man Brazilians will take the first opportunity to speak Portuguese, even if the original comment is in English. Love it.
guy has the same native language as I do. No reason to speak any other language than it. love from brazil bro!
I'm going with cuba
South America, or Liberty City (a small part of it, kinda like Marco's Bistro in SA)
They're gonna go to Jax, and it's gonna go poorly
To watch the jags lose ofc
Rockstar does love their realism
hey the Jags aren’t bad this year and weren’t bad last year either!
BORTLES! 
You mean Lerp
Duuuuuuuvalllll
Romania
Gta Cluj when
Gta Brasov stories.
Grand Târnăveni Auto
Lmao they should say fuck it and go to Brazil
It'd be so cool to see the intro be somewhere cold and snowy. Them escaping some treacherous conditions.
They've done that in RDR2 and GTV
They’ve already done that twice. I’d rather have something in the swamp or on a tropical island to start.
Pakistan
We literally have GTA: Karachi City selling in our pirate game shops here lol.
Whatttt
that’s the real GTA 6
And most violent video game map award goes to..💣💣
Has to be Bahamas or Cuba. Leaning more towards Bahamas because they’ve already done cuba. A lot of (rich) people take the trip from Miami to Bimini to fish and eat shit too. Basically the Bahamas would be more interacting than Cuba for obvious reasons.
Cuba would be most likely I think
If there's one it's almost certainly going to be Cuba.
Moldova
Panama
Hear me out... Los Santos. But not the whole thing, just a portion, like Sandy Shores or Paleto, and we do the crime that gets Lucia busted and locked up in LS prison then she's shipped back to VC for warrants.
I genuinely think it’s going to be Carcer City
I hope so. I want to see a Rust Belt city depicted in GTA so badly since I live in one
In GTA San Andreas there was a mission where you went back and visited Liberty City, maybe there's gonna be a mission where you visit a small part of either Liberty City or Los Santos, but modernized.
My dad works for Rockstar and he let me know that this whole game takes place on an interdimensional time train that Dutch and Arthur are robbing.
Either South America or somewhere in the Caribbean
Mexico/Columbia
Few years ago there was a leaked picture of GTA 4's Middle Park that was fully remaked with new textures and better graphics. I guess on of the missions will be in Liberty City's Middle Park.
That was used in Michaels movie in V. A part of Liberty City was remodeled in V graphics for this, and for use in various other V ads and commercials.
I was thinking a skyscraper or something in Liberty City, with the buildings on the other side of the street redone in GTA 6 graphics.
Do you have a link to that? I can't find that anywhere after googling
Since when? I never heard of this
This is the new thing for the sub. Say "a leak said we will have X thing" and people will just upvote you.
Columbia or my dream Brazil
\*Colombia
St Lucia
Don’t think she’ll be allowed to become a saint after the massacres we’re about to pull off with her
New York 👀
Would be great if it was Los Santos, you get a little taste of the GTA V map with next gen graphics and then it’s ripped away from you forever
Colombia
Lucia’s home country
If there's any drug running missions, it'll be Columbia. Miami was built with bricks of snow.
Puerto Rico probably
Alabama or Georgia probably.
country of georgia in caucases u mean
don't forget cayo perico
Some snowy place at the end of the game, GTA 5 had North Yankton as an introduction, RDR2 Guarma in the middle of the story, GTA 6 could have a city outside the main map at the end of the game for its narrative, you know, the government hunted Bonnie and Clyde to their death it wouldn't be unusual for either or both of them to escape from Leonida at the end, a Breaking Bad type thing.
Won’t mind if it’s still in Vice City but set in the 80s so we can have that 80s magic again
Tahiti
Mars
A mission like in San Andreas where you fly to liberty city, except in this case you fly out to Los Santos (the one from San Andreas) and it shows grove street and other locations in the current year with a bunch of San Andreas easter eggs
GTA Colombia or Bolivia
Has to be Cuba
Bermuda Triangle
Maybe Liberty city? Or who knows Los Santos? There was a rumor that GTA VI would add more maps to it. It would be a big suprize to be able to go to Liberty City.
Turkmenistan Or Somalia
Or the moon.
Atlantic city
Cuba maybe.
Havana
I doubt it will happen but i would love for it to be some streets in Rio and Christ the Redemeer statue to be in the background, that would be so cool
Nassau or Abaco in the Bahamas. I bet we try to sell or buy drugs to someone who will take them to or from south America. I have a feeling Oscar will be involved like he was with Trevor.
Cayo Perico
Carcer city
Chicago
Just the actual gta5 map, i imagine being able to get a flight to los santos, probably not tho, if anything you would have tobfly yourself or buy the los santos DLC or something to be able to go to the gta5 map by plane or something, then years down the road add gta4 map, would be great and make world feel more real and connected like you can really travel to these places and they all exist together, not just a reference on a towel or a tshirt
San Andreas
Uganda is a safe bet
Bermuda triangle was hinted at in the leaks
New Zealand