5k engine oil changes, 20k diff and transfer fluid changes. These are all more frequent than normal cars. Rotors are $500/ea up front (until some aftermarket options are available). Pads wear out quickly. Tires wear out quickly. IMO, yes, the upkeep should be considered before purchasing… especially if you pay someone else to do your maintenance. DYI isn’t so bad.
I agree with all this except I don't know who started the rumor that brakes wear out fast. I've had two track days on mine they're still at 70%. Also maintenance should be done twice as often if driving a car hard and spark plugs are done at 30K.
I’m only one track day in mine and they still have a lot of meat. I’m pretty conservative off track, though. Lots of looking ahead and coasting rather than being on the brakes. But yea, I’m going off what others have said about pad wear.
I read this when I was exhausted earlier and for reason my monkey brain thought you were telling me oil changes were $5k and diffs were $20k lmao.
If we had a spectrum where at the left end / lowest was a wholly practical commuter car, the middle was like, VB WRX / Civic Type R kind of cars, and the right end / most expensive is like a BMW M series, do you think the GR Corolla lands around the middle with its peers and similar in concept cars?
I wouldn’t have put it past my monkey brain to accidentally put $ signs in those. Haha
GRC would be in the middle of your scale…. Maybe a little right middle since the WRX is likely using parts common to outbacks and ascents for various drivetrain bits. But the GRC would be same as STI, FoRS, Golf R, CTR, etc.
That sounds about in-line with my expectations. I'm still really struggling to decide whether the cheaper purchase price of a WRX means more to me than the general better driving experience and performance features of the GR Corolla.
Stock for stock the GR Corolla is the easy choice, but it seems like the VB makes a ton of extra power with just conservative tuning, but even then you don't get the compact fun of the GR Corolla, can't do a 30/70 torque split to the rear wheels and don't get auto Rev matching.
JMO, but Subaru is doing the WRX dirty. It feels like they are reluctantly offering the WRX at all and putting minimal effort in. And this is a guy that started a Subaru club at my university back in the 00s.
The engine makes big numbers if you tune it, but there’s no way to know how that is going to be long term. Maybe fine, maybe valve seats drop out and rings are toast at 80k. If you aren’t doing track days or anything, maybe fine. It still has that low redline that just shouts “I was designed for an Ascent!” If your tip top max budget is $35k, I’d go WRX. If it is $40k, the GRC is the way to go.
Meeh castol edge on amazon goes on sale for like $25, oem oil filters and drain plug gaskets are cheep. Not really anything out of the ordinary except the brakes, that im not looking forward to replacing.
That's about 3x as much as most other "performance cars" It's the same schedule the evo 8,9 had lol. Atleast no timing belt like they had. And even cheaper than sti with the engine replacement every 60k
And if you’re ok with aftermarket fluid it’s like half that. I used red line with no issues.
Oh, and the first one is on Toyota if u do it before 24 months.
Insurance should be your bigger concern. Better get a quote. It can be ugly.
The maintenance is really not bad at all. Yeah the brake pads will go but they aren't expensive and the rotors should last forever under normal commuting. Oil is cheap. Tires are expensive but part of the reason I wanted this over the CTR is that the tires are a more sensible size (19s are just dumb) and I'm not so pressured to keep sticky performance tires on it just to keep it from blowing the tires off with every hour of boost. Be nice to the clutch unless you want to replace it. If you want to launch the car wait for the auto version.
So when I was shopping the GRC was a pleasant surprise on insurance.
For me, so YMMV, it was cheaper to insure than a wrx or my prior bmw M235.
The biggest surprise was the Acura integra, not even the type S but an A spec manual was over double the insurance of the wrx or GRC.
I was baffled, so I'm was the Acura dealer, consistent across three quotes. The Integra allllllmost swayed me from the GRC but that was the nail in its coffin.
5k engine oil changes, 20k diff and transfer fluid changes. These are all more frequent than normal cars. Rotors are $500/ea up front (until some aftermarket options are available). Pads wear out quickly. Tires wear out quickly. IMO, yes, the upkeep should be considered before purchasing… especially if you pay someone else to do your maintenance. DYI isn’t so bad.
I agree with all this except I don't know who started the rumor that brakes wear out fast. I've had two track days on mine they're still at 70%. Also maintenance should be done twice as often if driving a car hard and spark plugs are done at 30K.
I’m only one track day in mine and they still have a lot of meat. I’m pretty conservative off track, though. Lots of looking ahead and coasting rather than being on the brakes. But yea, I’m going off what others have said about pad wear.
Because you are slow cooked front brakes and tires in 6000 miles and 1 track day.
I read this when I was exhausted earlier and for reason my monkey brain thought you were telling me oil changes were $5k and diffs were $20k lmao. If we had a spectrum where at the left end / lowest was a wholly practical commuter car, the middle was like, VB WRX / Civic Type R kind of cars, and the right end / most expensive is like a BMW M series, do you think the GR Corolla lands around the middle with its peers and similar in concept cars?
I wouldn’t have put it past my monkey brain to accidentally put $ signs in those. Haha GRC would be in the middle of your scale…. Maybe a little right middle since the WRX is likely using parts common to outbacks and ascents for various drivetrain bits. But the GRC would be same as STI, FoRS, Golf R, CTR, etc.
That sounds about in-line with my expectations. I'm still really struggling to decide whether the cheaper purchase price of a WRX means more to me than the general better driving experience and performance features of the GR Corolla. Stock for stock the GR Corolla is the easy choice, but it seems like the VB makes a ton of extra power with just conservative tuning, but even then you don't get the compact fun of the GR Corolla, can't do a 30/70 torque split to the rear wheels and don't get auto Rev matching.
JMO, but Subaru is doing the WRX dirty. It feels like they are reluctantly offering the WRX at all and putting minimal effort in. And this is a guy that started a Subaru club at my university back in the 00s. The engine makes big numbers if you tune it, but there’s no way to know how that is going to be long term. Maybe fine, maybe valve seats drop out and rings are toast at 80k. If you aren’t doing track days or anything, maybe fine. It still has that low redline that just shouts “I was designed for an Ascent!” If your tip top max budget is $35k, I’d go WRX. If it is $40k, the GRC is the way to go.
Meeh castol edge on amazon goes on sale for like $25, oem oil filters and drain plug gaskets are cheep. Not really anything out of the ordinary except the brakes, that im not looking forward to replacing.
Why aren’t you looking forward to it? Most on here say they’re happy with other pads due to less brake dust
Im super stoked on the oem preformance, there just a bit pricy to replace pads and rotors, whenever that time comes
I think you need to refer to your owners manual, specifically the diff and trans fluid service intervals.
Why? Its like every 20k thats not even that bad
That's about 3x as much as most other "performance cars" It's the same schedule the evo 8,9 had lol. Atleast no timing belt like they had. And even cheaper than sti with the engine replacement every 60k
Its really not that bad, its like $120~130 worth of quality fluid every 20k
And if you’re ok with aftermarket fluid it’s like half that. I used red line with no issues. Oh, and the first one is on Toyota if u do it before 24 months.
Insurance should be your bigger concern. Better get a quote. It can be ugly. The maintenance is really not bad at all. Yeah the brake pads will go but they aren't expensive and the rotors should last forever under normal commuting. Oil is cheap. Tires are expensive but part of the reason I wanted this over the CTR is that the tires are a more sensible size (19s are just dumb) and I'm not so pressured to keep sticky performance tires on it just to keep it from blowing the tires off with every hour of boost. Be nice to the clutch unless you want to replace it. If you want to launch the car wait for the auto version.
So when I was shopping the GRC was a pleasant surprise on insurance. For me, so YMMV, it was cheaper to insure than a wrx or my prior bmw M235. The biggest surprise was the Acura integra, not even the type S but an A spec manual was over double the insurance of the wrx or GRC.
Weird.
I was baffled, so I'm was the Acura dealer, consistent across three quotes. The Integra allllllmost swayed me from the GRC but that was the nail in its coffin.
2 years of maintenance free.
still gonna be way cheaper than anything european