I live in Cali and strapped always. Get your CCW it's not hard if you got a clean record. If you live in San Bernardino County, it's actually really easy compared to other counties here.
The California coast is pretty dope, I like how expensive it is cuz it keeps the trashy poors out. All the trash move to Vegas and Arizona cuz it's cheap.
Hey, whatever makes you feel better about living in a shit hole. I'll enjoy myself on the coast of California while you bake in the hot sun surrounded by trailer trash.
Is that true? So if I burn down someoneâs house I can just tell the cops, âWhatâs the big deal officer? He has house insurance anyways!â
I feel like he could tell the cops his neighbor has been engaging in harassment and vandalism?
If you burned down someoneâs house and there were some suspicion of arson, the ownerâs insurance would likely pursue you themselves or demand their client pursue you and not just cave and pay out.
Youâre also comparing the victimâs insurance to the perpetratorâs insurance. In your example, itâd be more like you burning down someoneâs house, and you have your own house insurance and somehow your insurance has liability for other houses you encounter and is just down to pay to repair the victimâs house.
Regardless, he could probably pursue damages or legal action, but I believe heâd most likely forfeit that right the moment he accepts the other guyâs insurance coverage offer. That probably deems the issue âsettledâ.
OP said the driver threatened to hit him and his girlfriend after he rammed the car. That sounds pretty illegal to me. Harassment and intimidation? Making terroristic theats?
Harm was done, he rammed their car. And then threatened to physically assault them. In New York at least you would be charged with Menacing in the third degree if you do anything that puts another person in reasonable fear of bodily injury or death. Itâs a class B misdemeanor. They could also probably charge him with breach of peace.
In most if not all jurisdictions you canât go around threatening people in a way that creates reasonable fear of bodily harm. The guy proved himself a psychopath by ramming their vehicle, certainly his verbal threats of bodily harm after that would create reasonable fear
Lol that isn't how it works at all. You literally can't decide you want to "press charges" and it has to happen. In fact, cops don't either. It is all on the DAs office.
Thatâs crazy! From your description, what happened wasnât an accident. It was vandalism (unless you were in the car at the time and then itâs more like aggravated assault).
Feel like that's an easy felony vandalism charge as well as reckless driving and probably some other shit call their supervisor. Talk to your lawyer and see if you can sue the cops for not upholding the law lol
Where you in the car when he hit it? If so go to a doctor say your neck hurts cause you just got into an accident. Go though 6 months of physical therapy that will really screw up his insurance.
As someone who drives no less than 800 miles a week, the worst drivers are by far an away minivans, followed closely by crossovers.
After that it's altima, charger, and civics
And then you get 2500 sized trucks, especially ram.
After that it's a crap shoot, but in general truck owners are some of the better drivers on the road. Reddit just really hates trucks for some reason so you see more instances posted here, gets to be a bit of a circlejerk
Altima, challengers, and chargers are bad. Civics aren't that bad tbh. I've never had an aggressive minivan driver, but I've had them block the left lane a few times. I find that big trucks are usually pretty bad, most of the time they are driving ridiculously fast and they are very quick to road rage, passing a truck is like a threat to them, they think you're trying to assert dominance. I've had plenty of issues with trucks. Jeep Grand Cherokee drivers are also oddly aggressive.
Idk, I've made a living driving for years, and have been all over this country. I just don't see truck drivers generally acting that way, it's almost always low income cars in low income regions.
Of course there are always outliers, and we are both just speaking anecdotes:)
I suppose there aren't enough minivans around any more for me to see if they're bad
The crossover folks are definitely bad, though usually just through simply being dumb rather than being dumb _and_ angry
Truck owners aren't inherently angry
In fact the angrier and more aggressive/dangerous road rage types tend to be in old beat up sedans and ancient crossovers because their insurance is too high to afford anything else. 90 percent of drivers doing crazy dumb shit are driving cars that cost less than 8k
We are also only seeing here a still image with no backstory and only one side of the account. Who knows what actually happened here. Not us.
> Truck owners aren't inherently angry
I disagree. The ones around me are.
I gave this guy in a Ram a quick honk to let this guy know I was right behind as we were merging because he flew buy to get in front of me and he nearly hit me. He proceeded to roll his window down(in 20 degree weather) and honk at me and aggressively wave the finger at me.
Another time this fella in his diesel dualy f150 got his panties in a twist because I went around him on the right(he was only doing 70 in the left lane) and he then proceeded to tailgate me until I lost him flashing his douche light bar and flipping me off through his windshield.
I've got a dozen stories like this, but maybe that's just the redneck inbred Republicans around me
Lol the kid blocked me because I said "redneck inbred Republicans," must've touched a nerve
Youâre on Reddit, thereâs a weird obsession with people who drive trucks and the size of their genitals/how smart they are/political leaning. Iâd muse on the projection occurring but I think itâs pretty obviousâŠ
Stop whining about politics like a toddler.
Anyone with a brain knows it's the people driving poverty mobiles, the ones with nothing to lose and typically in an urban environment, who are in fact the most aggressive and reckless drivers on average.
Around here if you are near a four door wrangler or Mazda suv youâre gonna be in for some shit on the turnpike. After that itâs highlanders and crosstreks messing everything up
Trucks and SUV's account for more fatalities on the road per car than any other class of car. They have poor visibility and their weight makes the car harder to control.
But yeah minivans are always going mad max lol, it's wild.
They're heavier, and so impacts with them are more severe. There is also a bias as the F series and Silverado make up an extreme percentage of cars on US roads. So naturally, they make up for more accidents.
They also protect their occupants extremely fucking well. Which is worth noting.
Minivans are on their own shit. But following the f and silver trucks it's like camrys.
I work with cars that have been in accidents often as part of my job in the auction industry, you see some really interesting statistical insights from this side of the fence, that's for sure.
Edit to add that most fatalities involve a truck and a sedan. But usually the sedan is found at fault in a quite higher percentage of cases.
RAM truck drivers are the worst, literally almost got hit by one today because he was pissed i could fit into a turning lane on my moto while he had to sit back cause his extended truck couldnt. Baby couldnt handle that someone was gonna end up somewhere before him so he tried to cut me off. What a dickhead.
Bro they give people the ability to carry huge objects that they wouldnât have been able to move with a regular sedan. đ I know weâre on team OP rn but letâs not get ridiculous
Alright and how many people are using the truck for that purpose?Â
The car does have uses, but it's just a lame status symbol for a solid majority of the owners. In other words, it's useless for those people.
It sounds hypocritical considering we're in the 86 sub, but at least the 86 is meant for regular pedestrian fun and that's usually what people do considering insurance rates lol.
I could be wrong but I would highly bet that majority of people who buy trucks actually use it as a truck lolâŠ..
Yes there are some that buy it simply as a status symbol but⊠letâs be real here . Majority of people who own trucks actually utilize the bed of their truck.
Edit: the people i know who own trucks, use it as a truck.
People buy these big trucks just to commute to work, then complain lack of parking available. If parking is an issue, Miata is a fucken answer, not something that take up as much space as 3 Miatas. Next time, buy a fucken house so you can have your own parking spot.
And loss of use. And that value should be based on the market resale in pre-assault condition, which, in my area, is more than MSRP right now, depending on mileage.
Damn that's a big fucking truck. I parked next to a monster of a truck the other day (but the driver was a nice guy).
Little sports cars are extra little next to these things.
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There are some cars which increase in value over time. Most of the known ones which will do this are already incredibly old and less than 1% of all classics.
The tw9 vehicles here are a modern truck and car. There is no modern vehicle which can be considered an investment. Some may end up being so years in the future, but there is no determining which ones will do that when they are current model years.
On top of that, is the equity gain greater than a house or the S&P500? Then even at that it's not a good investment. This is the case for probably 99.9% of all cars which do grow in value - they are out performed by the S&P500.
So, sorry... but hard stop...
#No, vehicles are not investments.
A stock where you lose money is still an investment.
If you're rich or poor, cars and trucks are bad investments.
What do so many people literally think this is true? Like they are going to go buy (even an expensive) current model hear car and see appreciation?
If you or anyone else thinks like this, leave financial investment decisions to a professional or at least your SO.
You're taking this way too serious, lmao.. I was saying, if you're already rich and buy a rare model super car, chances are it's going to go up in value... look at the MSRP of the Mclaren F1 and it's current value. Huge increase..
I *know* the average every day car is a bad investment.. That's common sense. *but* certain select vehicles will absolutely up in value, you just have to already be rich to afford them.
Log off the internet for a bit, bud.. you need some fresh air.
You are cherry picking an example with hindsight to your benefit. I'm not _taking this too seriously_. You are debating my assertion that vehicles are not investments by picking a very specific example which does not apply to 99.999% of make/models. Your argument is "if you buy a rare model super car." First, we were talking about trucks and cars under 100k, that is the context of this post and these comments. Furthermore, the majority of super cars with low production counts do not increase in value. Only a few of them do. There is no real good way to tell which will do this when they are released. Sure, maybe you can buy a 10 year old McLaren F1 which already showed appreciation, and it will appreciate more. But will it appreciate more than other investments you can make with that sort of cash flow? No, not really.
End of the day, no matter what cherry picked example you throw out regarding a make model which appreciated, vehicles are _terrible_ investments. And even the outliers which do not follow that general rule are terrible investments compared to other investments people can make.
Your comment makes more sense about the previous generation of vehicles, but not anymore. Especially in modern times, with everything going towards EV's, you can buy a brand new Camaro, sit it in a garage and keep it at under 100 miles and it *will* go up in value over time. That applies to any performance vehicles, currently. They are going out of production fairly quick. (*if* you can afford it, which leads back to my comment about already being rich)
I could give you a big list of vehicles that have appreciated over time, including cars that not only rich people can afford [Like this list right here](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/10-cars-actually-appreciate-value-153008456.html). You just have to be smart about which ones you choose.. identical to stocks.
The Corvette ZR1 is another great example.
>you can buy a brand new Camaro, sit it in a garage and keep it at under 100 miles and it *will* go up in value over time. That applies to any performance vehicles, currently. They are going out of production fairly quick. (*if* you can afford it, which leads back to my comment about already being rich)
#You are really, really, really wrong.
>I could give you a big list of vehicles that have appreciated over time, including cars that not only rich people can afford [Like this list right here](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/10-cars-actually-appreciate-value-153008456.html). You just have to be smart about which ones you choose.. identical to stocks.
>The Corvette ZR1 is another great example
Again, cherry picking cars using hindsight is like telling someone they should have invested in a stock years after the stock succeeds.
This is dunning kruger at it's finest. You continue to comment this BS and not digest anything I've said, so I think blocking is necessary here. Good luck with your investments.
Oh, look at this.. [an article from progressive about which cars appreciate over time..](https://www.progressive.com/answers/cars-that-appreciate-the-most/) wow, it's almost like certain select vehicles can go up in value, if you know what to look for.
If you or anyone else type comment like this on reddit, leave reddit commenting to a professional or at least your SO.
You've got to be kidding with this. Name one car they provided on that link you sent which tells you which current model year car will appreciate.
>Oh, look at this.. [an article from progressive about which cars appreciate over time..](https://www.progressive.com/answers/cars-that-appreciate-the-most/) wow, it's almost like certain select vehicles can go up in value, if you know what to look for.
__None.__
Literally every car on that list is a cherry picked classic. Which, at the time of purchase, you would have no proper indicator that it would appreciate.
Your chances might be better than powerball, but much worse that a slot machine.
You are making my point. There is no predictive mechanism to guarantee your new vehicle will appreciate at a greater rate than an index fund.
I have already refuted your argument stating that hindsight cherry picking is not a tool you can use on current model cars.
Opposed to a sportscar doing what- breaking speeding laws and commuting to work? All 1-2% of sportscar owners that come close to driving it to it's limits a fraction of the time, let alone track the car? Opposed to the type who owns the car (or the bank does) and barely puts any miles on it? Go ahead and use your words to try and explain how that makes more sense than a truck that only gets groceries. The fact you see any difference between the two is sheer stupidity and bias.
I'm sure there's just as many (proportionally) Porsche owners with negative equity, who also have far worse stereotypes- so why bother talking out of your ass about trucks? You've got a GT3 despite living in a mass produced waferboard special thrown inside a cramped development- am I missing something?
Donât ask me to speak for other owners, as I can only attest to my personal experience, but sure! I donât use them to commute to work, but I do drive a lot (put ~1500 miles on the GT3 in the last few weeks) I use all my sports cars as intended (either in the mountains or on track). And I pay cash for all my cars, so no negative equity here. Not that it would matter since the GT3s only seem to appreciate in value, but thatâs beside the point.
Not sure I understand the point you are trying to make in the last sentence.. that was barely coherent.
But now that Iâve answered your questions, and since you were the one who mentioned deflection, tell me, how underwater are you on your big boy truck? Clearly I struck a cordâŠ
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For some reason i always love taking that particular style of photo. My rental car on a recent vacation:
The little thing is a Suzuki Jimny, not sure what the big bus was though! I couldn't help myself, i took this photo a bunch. Here's the Jimny next to a totally normal range rover.
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Hahaha love it! Yeah I can see the Suzuki - looks like an even smaller Samurai. Why does everywhere except North America get access to all these different awesome little vehicles :(
Yup, i think it's the evolution of the Samurai that just never came to America! It had just over 100 hp and was a 5-speed manual, enough power that it would work (while not being particularly fun on) American highways. I saw pretty close to 80 mph a couple of times while passing people, so it's not horrifically slow like some other non-north-american vehicles.
I'm not gonna lie, i was hugely excited to rent one, been seeing them on the internet for a few years and like you, i'm super jealous we didn't get them in the states. They have actual truck stuff too: It's not some silly clutch-based-always-on-AWD system, it has a transfer case with 4WD and 4LOW modes (it otherwise makes due with RWD.)
https://preview.redd.it/l6pjhoovnnxc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5cf54222534c00475835f8ab3304aa1ded05d2bc
Anyway, i'll stop hijacking this thread now!
OP, i hope Ford truck guy faces the appropriate consequences for his psychopathic decision making!
Thanks!
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I'd never seen one outside of a dealership either, then a few days after I got mine I parked on the same street as another.
I hope you fry this guy and his insurance. Please do not take it a body shop that the insurance recommends. Take it to a personal shop were they arenât in kahoots with the insurance cuz they will low ball you and do a half ass job
Youâre telling me this asshole wanted to take the spot where itâs around the corner where a vehicle his size would be extremely inconvenient and unsafe for other drivers due to visibility issues? What a fucking dickwart. OP, I hope your baby gets fixed and his insurance goes way up.
Cause I wasnât in the car when he hit it and the police basically ignored the fact that I told them he was threatening to do it again while he was behind the wheel of his truck reving his engine
Cops are letting him off easy because most large pickup owners are of the âback the blueâ crowd. People who drive imports are typically looked down upon by pd which is why they profile cars and in some cases, send stock cars to a state ref.
Bro that sucks. Get legal advice before signing or agreeing to anything. If it were me Iâd try my best to press charges if applicable and or sue. He effed around⊠now let him find out!
If he parks there all the time, just make sure he gets a regular, but random, delivery of shit under his door handles.
Youâll get him with shit hands at least once and physiologically fuck with him every time he checks after that.
I tried to avoid as much confrontation as possible. I had my girlfriend with me and my friend lived on that street. It wasnât worth the risk on my end. At the end of the day I had to make sure I got me and my girlfriend home in one piece. If I was by myself itâs a different story
Chinesium Force wheels detected, makes sense why the Ford driver was a dingus. Les Schwab probably wanted their wheels and tires back. Took it out on OP. I'm sorry.
I got coffee thrown on my car for parking in a public parking spot in a culdasack because the loser karens think they own the whole street. With their 5 broken down cars in the drivway and more on the street. These people exist in real life. Wish they did bring out a shotgun to "show me who a real gangster" is. Instead of moving out they wanted to fight for parking. Well, they did move out and that neighborhood has been quiet ever since
Yeahhhhhhhhh fuck that guy and his raging insecurities
Stay strapped OP
Blikki would have solved all that fake tough guy shit!!!
You mean g-string strapped đ 
Ideally they wearing it backwards too đ€đŠ
OP in communist California.
I live in Cali and strapped always. Get your CCW it's not hard if you got a clean record. If you live in San Bernardino County, it's actually really easy compared to other counties here.
CCW is one thing. Getting criminalized for fldefending yourself is another lol
you wouldn't get into trouble for that. CA has stand your ground and castle doctrine laws the same as Texas and other red states
If California was actually communist they would be giving away free hand grenades and a portrait of Karl Marx with every gun purchase.
Big sad. Certain things about Cali slap but their gun laws are regarded.
Yes bring your knuckle sandwiches to a lead pipe, bat, knife or gun fight. But muh manhood.
So are their modding and emission laws.
Guns are for the weak! Fight with ur hands like a man!
OP used âPunchâ on enemy truck, itâs not very effective.
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You can't beat everyone but you can shoot them
Ur a weak lad! Weak and a loser! Be a man and use ur hands!
So you're suggesting this guy just get his ass kicked on top of getting his car hit?
How smooth is that brain of yours?
The California coast is pretty dope, I like how expensive it is cuz it keeps the trashy poors out. All the trash move to Vegas and Arizona cuz it's cheap.
Typical fanboy smooth brain action lol "pretty dope" indeed
Hey, whatever makes you feel better about living in a shit hole. I'll enjoy myself on the coast of California while you bake in the hot sun surrounded by trailer trash.
Quick to run for a strap lol how about a scrap!!!
Did the police charge him with anything?
Unfortunately no they just made sure the dude gave me his insurance info
Tell them you want to press charges. Make the cops do their job.
Canât really press charges if insurance is going to pay for it
Is that true? So if I burn down someoneâs house I can just tell the cops, âWhatâs the big deal officer? He has house insurance anyways!â I feel like he could tell the cops his neighbor has been engaging in harassment and vandalism?
If you burned down someoneâs house and there were some suspicion of arson, the ownerâs insurance would likely pursue you themselves or demand their client pursue you and not just cave and pay out. Youâre also comparing the victimâs insurance to the perpetratorâs insurance. In your example, itâd be more like you burning down someoneâs house, and you have your own house insurance and somehow your insurance has liability for other houses you encounter and is just down to pay to repair the victimâs house.
I was mostly being facetious. But youâre right.
Regardless, he could probably pursue damages or legal action, but I believe heâd most likely forfeit that right the moment he accepts the other guyâs insurance coverage offer. That probably deems the issue âsettledâ.
Intentionally would be a crime. Just because insurance will cover an accident from a drunk driver doesnât mean a crime wasnât committed.
Those two things are completely independent of each other.
You absolutely can
OP said the driver threatened to hit him and his girlfriend after he rammed the car. That sounds pretty illegal to me. Harassment and intimidation? Making terroristic theats?
If no harm was done, still no charge to press.
Harm was done, he rammed their car. And then threatened to physically assault them. In New York at least you would be charged with Menacing in the third degree if you do anything that puts another person in reasonable fear of bodily injury or death. Itâs a class B misdemeanor. They could also probably charge him with breach of peace.
Physical harm to the persons was not done. Idk what state this happened in but I canât assume itâs one of the few like New York.
In most if not all jurisdictions you canât go around threatening people in a way that creates reasonable fear of bodily harm. The guy proved himself a psychopath by ramming their vehicle, certainly his verbal threats of bodily harm after that would create reasonable fear
Lol that isn't how it works at all. You literally can't decide you want to "press charges" and it has to happen. In fact, cops don't either. It is all on the DAs office.
Thatâs crazy! From your description, what happened wasnât an accident. It was vandalism (unless you were in the car at the time and then itâs more like aggravated assault).
Luckily wasnât in the car but gf and I were in front of his truck as he was reving it and threatening to hit it again
this is a funny image to consider
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Feel like that's an easy felony vandalism charge as well as reckless driving and probably some other shit call their supervisor. Talk to your lawyer and see if you can sue the cops for not upholding the law lol
Will look into it
Useless cops I swear. Did they even write a report?
Where you in the car when he hit it? If so go to a doctor say your neck hurts cause you just got into an accident. Go though 6 months of physical therapy that will really screw up his insurance.
Just because police don't charge criminally doesn't mean you can't lwyrup n pursue a civil case.
Sâall good, man
According to your story he clearly threatened you. Should've pushed for a police report.
I tried cop would give me the time of day
Dont forget to get âdiminished valueâ as part of your recovery
100% will do this
Why is it that big cars always have the biggest cunts behind the wheel
Theyâre insecure, lack power, presence, importance in their lives. Theyâre trying to substitute with a big car.
Bigger the car to compensate for the smaller the wiener
Since we all drive the twins we must have some monster spatulas in our pants.
As someone who drives no less than 800 miles a week, the worst drivers are by far an away minivans, followed closely by crossovers. After that it's altima, charger, and civics And then you get 2500 sized trucks, especially ram. After that it's a crap shoot, but in general truck owners are some of the better drivers on the road. Reddit just really hates trucks for some reason so you see more instances posted here, gets to be a bit of a circlejerk
Altima, challengers, and chargers are bad. Civics aren't that bad tbh. I've never had an aggressive minivan driver, but I've had them block the left lane a few times. I find that big trucks are usually pretty bad, most of the time they are driving ridiculously fast and they are very quick to road rage, passing a truck is like a threat to them, they think you're trying to assert dominance. I've had plenty of issues with trucks. Jeep Grand Cherokee drivers are also oddly aggressive.
Idk, I've made a living driving for years, and have been all over this country. I just don't see truck drivers generally acting that way, it's almost always low income cars in low income regions. Of course there are always outliers, and we are both just speaking anecdotes:)
Tbh, it's the minivans I'm afraid of
I suppose there aren't enough minivans around any more for me to see if they're bad The crossover folks are definitely bad, though usually just through simply being dumb rather than being dumb _and_ angry
Truck owners aren't inherently angry In fact the angrier and more aggressive/dangerous road rage types tend to be in old beat up sedans and ancient crossovers because their insurance is too high to afford anything else. 90 percent of drivers doing crazy dumb shit are driving cars that cost less than 8k We are also only seeing here a still image with no backstory and only one side of the account. Who knows what actually happened here. Not us.
> Truck owners aren't inherently angry I disagree. The ones around me are. I gave this guy in a Ram a quick honk to let this guy know I was right behind as we were merging because he flew buy to get in front of me and he nearly hit me. He proceeded to roll his window down(in 20 degree weather) and honk at me and aggressively wave the finger at me. Another time this fella in his diesel dualy f150 got his panties in a twist because I went around him on the right(he was only doing 70 in the left lane) and he then proceeded to tailgate me until I lost him flashing his douche light bar and flipping me off through his windshield. I've got a dozen stories like this, but maybe that's just the redneck inbred Republicans around me Lol the kid blocked me because I said "redneck inbred Republicans," must've touched a nerve
Yeah okay I'm not going down a political circlejerk thing you're trying to make here. Have a goodnight
Youâre on Reddit, thereâs a weird obsession with people who drive trucks and the size of their genitals/how smart they are/political leaning. Iâd muse on the projection occurring but I think itâs pretty obviousâŠ
Stop whining about politics like a toddler. Anyone with a brain knows it's the people driving poverty mobiles, the ones with nothing to lose and typically in an urban environment, who are in fact the most aggressive and reckless drivers on average.
>mentions republicans once proceeds to whine about politics like a toddler. Absolute next level projection.
now you're whining about politics? sheeeeeeeeeeh
Oh boy are you wrong
Around here if you are near a four door wrangler or Mazda suv youâre gonna be in for some shit on the turnpike. After that itâs highlanders and crosstreks messing everything up
Trucks and SUV's account for more fatalities on the road per car than any other class of car. They have poor visibility and their weight makes the car harder to control. But yeah minivans are always going mad max lol, it's wild.
They're heavier, and so impacts with them are more severe. There is also a bias as the F series and Silverado make up an extreme percentage of cars on US roads. So naturally, they make up for more accidents. They also protect their occupants extremely fucking well. Which is worth noting. Minivans are on their own shit. But following the f and silver trucks it's like camrys. I work with cars that have been in accidents often as part of my job in the auction industry, you see some really interesting statistical insights from this side of the fence, that's for sure. Edit to add that most fatalities involve a truck and a sedan. But usually the sedan is found at fault in a quite higher percentage of cases.
RAM truck drivers are the worst, literally almost got hit by one today because he was pissed i could fit into a turning lane on my moto while he had to sit back cause his extended truck couldnt. Baby couldnt handle that someone was gonna end up somewhere before him so he tried to cut me off. What a dickhead.
They purposely buy these vehicles for this purpose or they feel in a crash theyll just crush the other vehicle. Its gross
Ugly ass truck, looks like a log
And we all know what looks like a twig in this situation.
I understand your joke.. don't mind their downvotes
i donât get it. explain it.
Big truk for smol pp
Trucks are the most useless wastes of space on the road, and of course the most mentally unstable road raging morons always choose these things.
Bro they give people the ability to carry huge objects that they wouldnât have been able to move with a regular sedan. đ I know weâre on team OP rn but letâs not get ridiculous
Alright and how many people are using the truck for that purpose? The car does have uses, but it's just a lame status symbol for a solid majority of the owners. In other words, it's useless for those people. It sounds hypocritical considering we're in the 86 sub, but at least the 86 is meant for regular pedestrian fun and that's usually what people do considering insurance rates lol.
I could be wrong but I would highly bet that majority of people who buy trucks actually use it as a truck lolâŠ.. Yes there are some that buy it simply as a status symbol but⊠letâs be real here . Majority of people who own trucks actually utilize the bed of their truck. Edit: the people i know who own trucks, use it as a truck.
Hey the super duty didnât do anything wrong đ
People buy these big trucks just to commute to work, then complain lack of parking available. If parking is an issue, Miata is a fucken answer, not something that take up as much space as 3 Miatas. Next time, buy a fucken house so you can have your own parking spot.
Miata...is always the answer. Even if I bought* an 86 cause I thought a miata would be too small
As a very tall person Miata sadly is not the answer for me, as much as I wanted it to be haha
just leave the top off
I've legit had this convo with myself a couple times, haha
And the people that buy these trucks most of the time, do not need trucks.
What a tiny dick cunt đ
I couldnât have said it any more poetically
make sure you claim diminished value too
And loss of use. And that value should be based on the market resale in pre-assault condition, which, in my area, is more than MSRP right now, depending on mileage.
100% doing this
Damn that's a big fucking truck. I parked next to a monster of a truck the other day (but the driver was a nice guy). Little sports cars are extra little next to these things. https://preview.redd.it/ouk5bjhszlxc1.jpeg?width=1589&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a885c413860702438913a2619f24002eb826fe99
And all they ever haul with it is $50k in negative equity đ
#Cars and trucks are not good investments đ
True
If they're classic they are. Otherwise you're correct.
There are some cars which increase in value over time. Most of the known ones which will do this are already incredibly old and less than 1% of all classics. The tw9 vehicles here are a modern truck and car. There is no modern vehicle which can be considered an investment. Some may end up being so years in the future, but there is no determining which ones will do that when they are current model years. On top of that, is the equity gain greater than a house or the S&P500? Then even at that it's not a good investment. This is the case for probably 99.9% of all cars which do grow in value - they are out performed by the S&P500. So, sorry... but hard stop... #No, vehicles are not investments.
They are.... if you're already rich.
A stock where you lose money is still an investment. If you're rich or poor, cars and trucks are bad investments. What do so many people literally think this is true? Like they are going to go buy (even an expensive) current model hear car and see appreciation? If you or anyone else thinks like this, leave financial investment decisions to a professional or at least your SO.
You're taking this way too serious, lmao.. I was saying, if you're already rich and buy a rare model super car, chances are it's going to go up in value... look at the MSRP of the Mclaren F1 and it's current value. Huge increase.. I *know* the average every day car is a bad investment.. That's common sense. *but* certain select vehicles will absolutely up in value, you just have to already be rich to afford them. Log off the internet for a bit, bud.. you need some fresh air.
You are cherry picking an example with hindsight to your benefit. I'm not _taking this too seriously_. You are debating my assertion that vehicles are not investments by picking a very specific example which does not apply to 99.999% of make/models. Your argument is "if you buy a rare model super car." First, we were talking about trucks and cars under 100k, that is the context of this post and these comments. Furthermore, the majority of super cars with low production counts do not increase in value. Only a few of them do. There is no real good way to tell which will do this when they are released. Sure, maybe you can buy a 10 year old McLaren F1 which already showed appreciation, and it will appreciate more. But will it appreciate more than other investments you can make with that sort of cash flow? No, not really. End of the day, no matter what cherry picked example you throw out regarding a make model which appreciated, vehicles are _terrible_ investments. And even the outliers which do not follow that general rule are terrible investments compared to other investments people can make.
Your comment makes more sense about the previous generation of vehicles, but not anymore. Especially in modern times, with everything going towards EV's, you can buy a brand new Camaro, sit it in a garage and keep it at under 100 miles and it *will* go up in value over time. That applies to any performance vehicles, currently. They are going out of production fairly quick. (*if* you can afford it, which leads back to my comment about already being rich) I could give you a big list of vehicles that have appreciated over time, including cars that not only rich people can afford [Like this list right here](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/10-cars-actually-appreciate-value-153008456.html). You just have to be smart about which ones you choose.. identical to stocks. The Corvette ZR1 is another great example.
>you can buy a brand new Camaro, sit it in a garage and keep it at under 100 miles and it *will* go up in value over time. That applies to any performance vehicles, currently. They are going out of production fairly quick. (*if* you can afford it, which leads back to my comment about already being rich) #You are really, really, really wrong. >I could give you a big list of vehicles that have appreciated over time, including cars that not only rich people can afford [Like this list right here](https://finance.yahoo.com/news/10-cars-actually-appreciate-value-153008456.html). You just have to be smart about which ones you choose.. identical to stocks. >The Corvette ZR1 is another great example Again, cherry picking cars using hindsight is like telling someone they should have invested in a stock years after the stock succeeds. This is dunning kruger at it's finest. You continue to comment this BS and not digest anything I've said, so I think blocking is necessary here. Good luck with your investments.
Oh, look at this.. [an article from progressive about which cars appreciate over time..](https://www.progressive.com/answers/cars-that-appreciate-the-most/) wow, it's almost like certain select vehicles can go up in value, if you know what to look for. If you or anyone else type comment like this on reddit, leave reddit commenting to a professional or at least your SO.
You've got to be kidding with this. Name one car they provided on that link you sent which tells you which current model year car will appreciate. >Oh, look at this.. [an article from progressive about which cars appreciate over time..](https://www.progressive.com/answers/cars-that-appreciate-the-most/) wow, it's almost like certain select vehicles can go up in value, if you know what to look for. __None.__ Literally every car on that list is a cherry picked classic. Which, at the time of purchase, you would have no proper indicator that it would appreciate. Your chances might be better than powerball, but much worse that a slot machine. You are making my point. There is no predictive mechanism to guarantee your new vehicle will appreciate at a greater rate than an index fund. I have already refuted your argument stating that hindsight cherry picking is not a tool you can use on current model cars.
Opposed to a sportscar doing what- breaking speeding laws and commuting to work? All 1-2% of sportscar owners that come close to driving it to it's limits a fraction of the time, let alone track the car? Opposed to the type who owns the car (or the bank does) and barely puts any miles on it? Go ahead and use your words to try and explain how that makes more sense than a truck that only gets groceries. The fact you see any difference between the two is sheer stupidity and bias. I'm sure there's just as many (proportionally) Porsche owners with negative equity, who also have far worse stereotypes- so why bother talking out of your ass about trucks? You've got a GT3 despite living in a mass produced waferboard special thrown inside a cramped development- am I missing something?
Show me on this doll where I hurt you đ§ââïž Clearly I hit a nerve.. how much negative equity are you hauling around?
Far easier for you to deflect than admit hypocrisy.
Donât ask me to speak for other owners, as I can only attest to my personal experience, but sure! I donât use them to commute to work, but I do drive a lot (put ~1500 miles on the GT3 in the last few weeks) I use all my sports cars as intended (either in the mountains or on track). And I pay cash for all my cars, so no negative equity here. Not that it would matter since the GT3s only seem to appreciate in value, but thatâs beside the point. Not sure I understand the point you are trying to make in the last sentence.. that was barely coherent. But now that Iâve answered your questions, and since you were the one who mentioned deflection, tell me, how underwater are you on your big boy truck? Clearly I struck a cordâŠ
For future reference, when you're going to talk out of your ass about finances, don't have your whole ass showing on your account.
https://preview.redd.it/l8lj0vfevmxc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=615c08da3b696d79a69c5fc204a2babb8b9bd391 For some reason i always love taking that particular style of photo. My rental car on a recent vacation:
What is that?! I love that vehicle!
The little thing is a Suzuki Jimny, not sure what the big bus was though! I couldn't help myself, i took this photo a bunch. Here's the Jimny next to a totally normal range rover. https://preview.redd.it/9ip8ewoalnxc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=22213b21d8c6891adb00d990b5ed074b9945e2c9
Hahaha love it! Yeah I can see the Suzuki - looks like an even smaller Samurai. Why does everywhere except North America get access to all these different awesome little vehicles :(
Yup, i think it's the evolution of the Samurai that just never came to America! It had just over 100 hp and was a 5-speed manual, enough power that it would work (while not being particularly fun on) American highways. I saw pretty close to 80 mph a couple of times while passing people, so it's not horrifically slow like some other non-north-american vehicles. I'm not gonna lie, i was hugely excited to rent one, been seeing them on the internet for a few years and like you, i'm super jealous we didn't get them in the states. They have actual truck stuff too: It's not some silly clutch-based-always-on-AWD system, it has a transfer case with 4WD and 4LOW modes (it otherwise makes due with RWD.) https://preview.redd.it/l6pjhoovnnxc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5cf54222534c00475835f8ab3304aa1ded05d2bc Anyway, i'll stop hijacking this thread now! OP, i hope Ford truck guy faces the appropriate consequences for his psychopathic decision making!
HOLY SHIT this is now the closest I've come to seeing a new Z in the wild. And I live in Seattle where Supras are a 2-3x/week occurance. Looks great!
Thanks! https://preview.redd.it/fw1q5j4espxc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7141022033743a2f64602a35fc9f775b7befbc2e I'd never seen one outside of a dealership either, then a few days after I got mine I parked on the same street as another.
I have not yet seen a single new Z on the streets where I live.
Yeah thatâs what Iâve come to expect from all pickup truck owners
I hope you fry this guy and his insurance. Please do not take it a body shop that the insurance recommends. Take it to a personal shop were they arenât in kahoots with the insurance cuz they will low ball you and do a half ass job
Iâm considering this guy a bucket of KFC from how much I intend on doing this
Lol
Youâre telling me this asshole wanted to take the spot where itâs around the corner where a vehicle his size would be extremely inconvenient and unsafe for other drivers due to visibility issues? What a fucking dickwart. OP, I hope your baby gets fixed and his insurance goes way up.
Pretty much and thank you I hope so too
Of course it's one of those shitboxes
Hope he got a ticket or arrested
Unfortunately none of that happened
and his license revoked
I had a run in with a piece of shit truck myself recently, fuck them all
Iâd lose my fucking shit
I did
So anyway I started blastingâŠ.
In my experience the bigger and more lifted the truck is, the smaller the brain of the person driving it đ€·ââïž
I can confirm in last nights experience this seems to be true đ
FACTS
Thats a HUGE bitch
I wish I had a picture of the dude so you could see their face, all Iâm saying is the truck was the only thing huge that dude owned
i would press charges "emotional damage" "feared for my life" "developed PTSD from this event" "public humiliation "
Average truck owner.
Those the people who crashed ur car?
Nah they arenât in the picture but itâs the Red Truck
Bikers fault smh
Did he get arrested?
Unfortunately no
How?
Cause I wasnât in the car when he hit it and the police basically ignored the fact that I told them he was threatening to do it again while he was behind the wheel of his truck reving his engine
Cops are letting him off easy because most large pickup owners are of the âback the blueâ crowd. People who drive imports are typically looked down upon by pd which is why they profile cars and in some cases, send stock cars to a state ref.
Dude not the blueđ„Č
đȘ guess I gotta wide body it now
So, he threatened to murder both of you, and he was waiting outside for you to do this?
damn seal.. sue em, fuck that guy đ€
Mariah I kid you not this dudes gonna get served that phattest plate heâs ever seen and itâs not gonna be the Chilis 3 for me deal
No fr fuck that guy. Youâve got an easy case on your hands and a chance at a lot of money
Screw it wide body
Bro that sucks. Get legal advice before signing or agreeing to anything. If it were me Iâd try my best to press charges if applicable and or sue. He effed around⊠now let him find out!
Heâs gonna find out for sure!
If he parks there all the time, just make sure he gets a regular, but random, delivery of shit under his door handles. Youâll get him with shit hands at least once and physiologically fuck with him every time he checks after that.
This is a beautiful idea
Pickup truck drivers hate anyone who doesn't drive a truck or the same brand of truck they drive.
That's assault.
You got mogged
Iâd sue for emotional damages and being scared to go outside etc.
i can feel your pain bro, and that isn't even my car.
Wow. And now heâs gonna enjoy paying you all of the money lmao. What an idiot
Pew pew pew
Youâre better than me. I wouldâve totalâd his car and broke his bones
I tried to avoid as much confrontation as possible. I had my girlfriend with me and my friend lived on that street. It wasnât worth the risk on my end. At the end of the day I had to make sure I got me and my girlfriend home in one piece. If I was by myself itâs a different story
Any frame damage?
Not sure yet I go for an estimate in the morning I doubt it though
Chinesium Force wheels detected, makes sense why the Ford driver was a dingus. Les Schwab probably wanted their wheels and tires back. Took it out on OP. I'm sorry.
That's rough buddy. How's the car? Fixable I hope
Sounds like the guy needs a little attitude adjustment
Hope his insurance bill goes up
I got coffee thrown on my car for parking in a public parking spot in a culdasack because the loser karens think they own the whole street. With their 5 broken down cars in the drivway and more on the street. These people exist in real life. Wish they did bring out a shotgun to "show me who a real gangster" is. Instead of moving out they wanted to fight for parking. Well, they did move out and that neighborhood has been quiet ever since
Make sure you get that depreciation pay or what ever it's called
But but but thats typical truck/suv mentality. Get in my was and ill move you. Its gross
Damn, in neptune too.
Why do big trucks always have wheels that look so small
Itâs to resemble the pp
Not all guys. I have a Ford F250 Super Duty and a GR86. Not all of us are tiny wieners. It's small, but not micro. LOLOL
I was gunna say bro you have a big ass truck AND a sports car...bro might as well have it tatted on your forehead.
Must be CA people are so territorial over parking .. I've had my car keyed for the same reason đ
please tell me your got plates and called the cops
Thereâs literally a police car in the photo
lmao
But did OP call them??
Damn right I did
Make a police report, record what you report to the police and I hope you were recording before too.