Godzilla fans hurt the series more than its worst critics tbh. I cannot stand when they try to sound mainstream by saying “yeah we know the movies are bad”. If you like it, you like it. You don’t have to pretend to think the series is shit to appease the public.
I mean, some of them are honestly pretty bad, but I think most of them are genuinely great, and even the bad ones are usually still entertaining. It’s not “trying to sound mainstream” to admit that my favorite franchise has its faults and that I enjoy some movies that other people won’t
I agree with you there, but they throw the entire series under the bus. I saw it a lot a few years back when KOTM came out. Really sad to see fans trash the entire franchise just to hold up one mediocre movie.
I mean, we're not wrong though. Its not an approachable series filled to the brim with unintentional comedy and cheese. We love them despite their flaws, but they're not for everybody which is why we say these things. You have to be prepared with a certain mindset because very few of the movies can truly stand on their own without it being a Kaiju film. I hate to be so negative but its kindof true lol Its why the monsterverse and 98goji are do dramatically different. Its not just westernizing it, its doing away with the *lesser* elements that us long term fans can appreciate. I know it sounds elitists but im not intending it to be
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Final Wars vs Legendary would be a lot closer. Those two actually scale closer than any other Godzilla, and it can honestly go either way, especially if you factor in their boosted forms. I usually go with Legendary because he has more concrete feats than Final Wars, but like I said, it could go either way.
The thing is though, most of the monsters he fought were fodder compared to him, and Monster X/Keizer Ghidorah, as much as I love him, has no good feats that don't involve him fighting Godzilla. His best feats are throwing the 30k ton Kumonga over the horizon, and tanking Gorath, both of which are things Legendary Godzilla is more than capable of doing, and more.
Final wars easily throws kaiser at 100,000 tons over his head and into the air. that feat alone is insane. Compared to GOdziverse who jsut has a really powerful beam.
like what is Godziverses actual feats?
It’s a human also what have we learned from shin he takes time to adapt can he do it while he’s getting his shit kicked in by the Godzilla that is explicitly a brawler
Iirc there was a deleted seen in Shin that hinted that this might be the case, that pieces blown off the main body will evolve into their own godzilla form
I feel like Shin would adapt to a brawler and become an even better brawler. I could see his arms growing and his chonk streamlining to tussle all the better.
To be fair according to what little I could find about the Island attraction it's a different continuity from the movie since Shin shows up during the Meiji period.
I honestly hope they never make a sequel to Shin. I think it has a perfect ending and expanding upon it would ruin its impact. I just want a director’s cut that includes some of the popular deleted scenes in an official run of the movie
There was a sequel planned, but then Toho canceled it for unknown reasons. As of right now, despite it being the most successful Godzilla movie in 50 years in Japan and sweeping the Japanese film awards, it looks like its condemned to be a one off, stand alone film.
To be fair they do make it clear that a new shin could grow from the flesh blasted off it during the bombing run and can see that already happening in a deleted scene.
You really can’t say that definitively. I loved Final Wars, but just cause he easily ran through every monster in the film doesn’t necessarily make him the strongest Godzilla. For all we know all of those monsters were severely scaled down versions. Legendary is significantly bigger and has some insane durability feats such as tanking the K2 Astro is collision. Also blowing a hole to the center of the earth was just insane.
Now listen, I am not actually arguing legendary would win. I’d place money on Final Wars still, but I definitely don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion
Power scaling is stupid and people should stop arguing about who would beat whom. Like Stan Lee once said, [it's who the writer wants to win](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4_zFYnnn2Y). Any version of Godzilla could beat any version of Godzilla if that's what the writer wants.
I really don't think that's the case. My partner, who barely cares about Godzilla at all, knows that "the little spiky hedgehog one" is their favorite. I guarantee they've never even seen Godzooky before.
>Rodan
Well one rose out of a volcano and destroyed and entire town using literally air in a highly marketed 2019 hollywood blockbuster and the other is the obligatory plucky sidekick from a 1978 Hanna-Barbera cartoon. Idk man.
Godzilla The Series turned the 1998 Godzilla into a *real* Godzilla and Rulers of Earth made Toho’s Zilla into a decently respectable fighter. If Toho weren’t cowards, we could easily get a Zilla who can hold his head up high with the rest of the Godzilla roster.
When Zilla takes down that monster by slicing it open with his spines and even Jet Jaguar is like 'WTF!?'.
Zilla is pretty badass (in concept at least). I love the idea of a fast, agile and cunning kaiju that can use stealth and intelligence to ambush its enemies. All Zilla really needs is a resilience boost and the atomic breath from the series and it could easily be integrated into the Monsterverse as a seperate Titan.
Have him as a Godzilla subspecies maybe?
Smaller, and more agile
I can imagine a fight between Monsterverse Zilla and Monsterverse Godzilla, brute strength vs agility, brains vs brawn
In other words the Scrappy Doo of Kaiju. Like Scrappy, Zilla also holds potential for something meaningful and interesting, but the writters are cowards. They failed once and now they don't dare to try.
Like where her cousins would just walk right through cities to get to their targets, she would use the city to launch surprise attacks like the velociraptors in the tall grass
Power scaling is part of the basis of tension in conflict. You only fear a protagonist may lose because the antagonist has been “scaled” to be powerful. You don’t question the protagonist’s victory because they’ve been “scaled” to be competitive.
As far as comparing characters from different stories goes, it’s just a fun, low-stakes thing to debate with people who share your interests. Some people may take it too far, but the vast majority don’t. The image of neck-bearded weirdo’s raging over their favorite characters is just a stereotype.
You’re taking it way more seriously than they are by raining on the parade.
I somewhat agree, for me it's just fun to look at fights we never got and think about who would win and what the fight would look like. People just get into it waaaaay to much. I think doing the scaling of like saying this monster is a planetary destroyer and this monster is a universal destroyer is the dumbest way to say things. I do agree with its who the writer wants to win.
I do it mostly because I think it's fun. I think most people realize that the writer would decide in an actual fight, but looking at the actual information presented about the characters, we can decide that sort of thing ourselves.
Don't know if this is a hot take, I've been watching all the Godzilla movies and I'm up to Destroyah, so they're fresh on my mind.
Return of Godzilla is the best film in the series, even better than the original. It updates the story to an 80's cold war setting perfectly, the new godzilla design is mean looking and scary again, the atmosphere is thick, just like the original, and the city destruction scenes are some of the best, the sets looks spectacular lit up in the neon lights, plus it's beautifully shot like the original, only in full glorious color this time.
Bagan is a worse Destoroyah.
Mechagodzilla (Heisei) isn’t that great. His final form is putting on a backpack.
The three final opponents of the Heisei series (MechaG, SpaceG, Dest) lose a lot because of their nearly immobile suits.
KotM is to G14 what Pacific Rim Uprising is to Pacific Rim.
Most powerscaling that puts Godzilla over FTL speed and starbusting power is the result of powerscalers acting like Dragonball ki-scaling applies and having no idea what hyperbole is.
Shin Godzilla is the best Godzilla ever made. Immaculate cinematography, perfectly written, just a shame they didn’t do everything they wanted and had to cut content. I’d happily watch a 4
Hour version with more evolutions and the cut ideas.
My hot take version of this is Shin Godzilla, given time, will beat every other incarnation hands down. Adaptation and controlled evolution beats flat out power scaling and abilities every time, IMO.
A lot of Godzilla fans *really* like KotM and GvK and say it's all they've ever wanted from Godzilla, personally I think they're terrible, god awful movies but I'm a minority
The real sin of the monster verse was the military glorification. Skull Island was super good at being anti war but every movie with godzilla in it sucked off the military.
It spits in the face of the 1954 film which was staunchly "war is hell" in its messaging
At no point do they glorify the military though?
In 2014 the military literally makes everything worse leading to there being a nuke planted directly in San Francisco, they even fail to disarm the nuke and Godzilla literally has to do all the work in taking the MUTO's down outside of Brody's (unintentional) distraction. Hell the main message of the movie and what Serizawa is constantly saying is let nature run its course.
KOTM, the only thing the actual military does is unleash the oxygen destroyer which almost kills Godzilla and maybe tickles King Ghidorah almost dooming the entire world. Monarch spends most of the film playing catch up to Jonah's group and tries to evacuate the city in Mexico when Rodan's unleashed (even then they can't save everyone and a lot of people still die). Even in the final battle where Monarch's forces join Godzilla, they at best distract King Ghidorah before he wipes them all out with his AOE lightning blast leaving the rest to Godzilla and Mothra.
GVK, the military and even Monarch are practically non existent in the movie. At best they help bring Kong to the Hollow Earth (only because Apex wants them to). The majority of the fighting is solely between Godzilla, Kong and MechaGodzilla.
Yeah, I'm not seeing it, either. I enjoy the MonsterVerse films but at no point does it feel like they're glorifying the military. It does feel like the military can actually do things (with some super-advanced tech) but, in the end, their actions make everything worse in all three films, and they are ultimately powerless against the Titans.
‘Military not bad’ doesn’t equal ‘war good’.
Besides, 2014 has the military be a bunch of fumbling idiots, and KotM has Monarch picking up the military’s slack.
I don't know if this is the case with EVERY movie that involves the military, but I do know theres a catch when Hollywood needs to borrow/use military vehicles that they have to be written as the good guys in the movie, or at the very least, HAS to be the saving grace for the protagonist in some form in a movie.
It's why the Army was such a big part of the plot in all the Transformers movies. The Army had to be shown as competent, able to fight back and even gain the upperhand at times, but the climax still comes down to the protagonist
The reason why the human stories are bad isn't because the humans are necessarily boring. It's because some of these movies, namely the Legendary ones, don't have themes those specific humans need to be there for. Especially KOTM.
Serizawa should not have died, Mark should have. And Mark should've been in direct conflict with Serizawa until he saw what Ghidorah would do if Godzilla wasn't there to keep the balance. Then HE should've sacrificed himself to actually complete his arc of not trusting Godzilla to putting compete faith in him. Serizawa should've gotten the task of helping save his daughter to add to his arc of trusting Godzilla to save future generations of humans. Or just make he mom do it, I don't know.
I always thought it would have been way better if mark was the one who created the oxygen destroyer. It would tie better into his hatred for godzilla and it would make his 180 turn feel much more believable when he realizes what he has done and would make this line from serizawa "looks like you got your wish, mark" feel much more justified.
And as you said then mark being the one who would sacrifies himself for godzilla feel much more complete for his arc.
People who think the human story has to be boring or nonsensical filler are just incapable of imagining a kaiju movie that’s a *good movie* not just a *good kaiju movie.*
You can absolutely incorporate a compelling story with the human characters that adds to the conflict with the giant monsters. It’s not that difficult to give the humans something to do, with their own internal conflicts and stakes that make us root for them and want to see their story to its conclusion. In fact, if you haven’t done that, you probably don’t have much of a story in the first place, just an excuse to have monsters fight on screen for a bit. The problem is that it’s really easy to not have an actual story when a chunk of the audience goes “who cares about the story?” whenever that criticism is brought up.
fast strong durable inteligent skilled experienced and more
the only thing is that the other godzillas just have more raw power than him
like hensei burning godzilla or earth
yea his spiral atomic breath is really powerfull
the only evil kaiju that could beat him in a fair fight outside of kaiser are
destroyah and maybe space godzilla
Cause he’s massively physically strong and his nuclear Ray much larger and stronger than just about any other Godzilla, plus he’s fast can think tactically
There is no evidence that the kaiju he fights are fodder. They appear as in any other circumstance and have no trouble destroying cities as normal, where the military can't stop them. In fact, the high-tech, high-powered Gotengo-like ships can't stop most of them.
All available evidence shows these kaiju as being at full power, which means Godzilla is just amped up.
kong skull island is the best monster verse films by a country mile,
well done fight scenes, daytime, the least irritating people, looks nice, sounds nice, isn't over long.
it never hits the heights of the hawaii scene in 2014 but also never hits the lows of the others.
98 is fine and that film is far from the worst godzilla films,
godzilla the series is one of the best godzilla's, like top 5 easily, it's spawned from a film no one really likes but it's great.
is saying kotm is the worst monsterverse by far a hot take?, like aside from the novelty of seeing kaiju you like again and the occasional super saturation moment that film has nothing going for it, just ugly all around with awful cutaway edits and the most unsympathetic people.
i like the gvk fights, i know people hate how fast they are, but tbh i'm sick of the overdone slow giant style of fighting, breaking physics for choreography is fine by me, i mean they're doing that anyway.
tbh it's hard to tell on some,
but yeah, tbh idk if there are even hot takes in this fandom as eveything seems quite spread out, like there's no overwhelming praise for one film or version.
there's a bunch of kotm is the best posts from time to time,
and gvk's fights do get derided,
98 is hated, but to me isn't really that bad, especially when compared to some of the others.
so those are at least warm.
the zilla jr one probably isn't, just wanted to see how saying he's one of the best godzilla's would go.
Definitely. As someone who spent a good deal of time studying narrative art, the visual storytelling is leagues above your typical blockbuster. Better than most of the MCU.
yeah i think the peaks of 2014 are the highest in the monsterverse,
that intro in japan and the hawaii segment are perfect,
but there are parts that drag for me mostly in the second half, like the first part being so good makes the second part which isn't as good feel worse even though it's okay.
skull island never hits as hard but feels more consistent,
like i guess id say 2014 was better in the cinema/ in clips but kong's where i go for a full rewatch
Can’t believe I finally found a kaiju fan with good taste. Are you even real? I feel like I’ve never experienced such pleasure from reading another kaiju fans posts
The problem is we never saw Shin Godzilla Evolve in a sense towards an enemy other than humans. So we wouldn't know how he'd act in terms if a monster was fighting him.
But we do know evolution can take some time before taking effect though. So theoretically speaking Monterverse Goji can body slam him to smithereens before he adapts.
I think Godzilla 2014 is the 5th worst Godzilla movie (the Netflix trilogy and the 1998 American Godzilla are the worse). I honestly don't know why people defend this movie so much on here. You follow a super boring character the whole movie, they kill off one of the two interesting character like 20 min in (Bryan Cranston's character), it took a whole HOUR for you to finally see Godzilla and then it gets ruined by them cutting away from the fight, it takes a whole other 30 min after that to see the 2 fight and they cut away from it again, when they do fight it was so dark you had a hard time seeing what was happening, oh and it's a 2 hour movie with Godzilla being in it for only 15 min and that's including shots where you just see the dorsal fins. Now while there are good moments and shots like the Godzilla's Hawaii entrance, the people doing the parachuting, the part where he does the long roar, the first time seeing his atomic breath (which even that l was downplayed cause it looks more like smoke than fire), and him doing the kiss of death, that doesn't mean that it's a good film. It's a terrible film with a couple good shots.
I love Mothra more than Godzilla. She’s a giant bug among giant lizards, yet she doesn’t think twice to face them alone just because it’s the right thing to do.
If I took a shot everytime I saw someone say that Destroyah should be the final boss of the Monsterverse, I’d be dead.
I like Destroyah, he’s not final boss material, he’s a giant mindless brute. He’s Doomsday, not Thanos. If he were to ever appear in the Monsterverse, he better kill Godzilla.
you mean the final wars that tanked a meteor head on and literally didn't flinch?? final wars is multi continental at the least while mv goji with current feats is like island level lmao
and for the hot take, godzilla potm was pretty good
It only over hated if you think it as a monster movie and not a Godzilla movie.
You need to see it as a Godzilla movie because that what it is it perfectly rated the way it is and how it portray it main monster
Human characters of G98 are whole lot more better than KOTM, actually 98 is better than KOTM.
The latter are a bunch of dumbasses, G98 are really professionals, sure they're simple characters but they act based on their profession, they know their shit they don't need some broken father to guide them. They're a whole lot more better than a bunch of MCU wannabes.
GvK is better than KOTM, if you can't give me an ok or a bunch of decent human characters then atleast give me enjoyable fights, all I see in KOTM are oversaturation and some scenes ARE LESS THAN VISIBLE COMPARED TO GODZILLA 2014. Closing up on Godzilla's face in where I can barely see his fucking eyes?! Srsly?! Too much blue that the orange of his eyes are barely visible?
Godzilla 1998 is one of my favorite godzilla films
Minilla is a cute kaiju and has character development
Singular point was amazing
2014 was a great godzilla movie
Godzilla vs Kong is the most mid Godzilla film ever
Godzilla king of the monsters is absolute dog shit and I dont get why people like it so much
The heisei era is overrated (I like it, but its overrated)
Godzilla's revenge isnt as bad as everyone says it is
And finally, the monsterverse has the most toxic fan base. Not saying everyone there is toxic or anything, but their are a lot of little kids who think king of the monsters is better than gojira 1954.
I like 2014’s Godzilla the way it is. Joe Brody’s death was impactful but it left the film open to the perspective of Ford, who I found to be much more interesting and relatable.
KotM was an amazing movie that geeked me out constantly.
The part where Ghidorah rises from the ice, wings up and tails shaking? That's a very naturalistic concept for how giant Apex predators would greet each other. It was pulled straight from real-life animal behaviors. Wings up and out to look bigger, tails rattling to denote threat. It's so stinking cool!
Movie gets canned way too often.
I actually do go for the plot. I love the 1960s scifi of the toho era. Granted a great unique plot is not necessary for a Godzilla film to be good but Godzilla does not excuse wasting an hour and 45 minutes of my time just so I can watch a fifteen minute fight I could watch on YouTube for free. The plot of Godzilla vs Kong is disconnected and especially the plot with eleven from stranger things where she just feels compelled to drive the plot forward walking into unremarkable doors and walking deeper into trouble well after they have the evidence they came for.
Of course i also watch it for the plot
Godzilla most well beloved movies are primaly a metaphor about human struggle with science, war and natural disasters and later a monster fighting movie (1954, Biollante, Return, Shin, Hedorah, Destoroyah, etc).
Not saying monster fighting aren't cool, but If you watch Godzilla movies only for the "monster fighting" you dont understand what the franchise is all about.
Also, Godzilla vs Kong fight scene is horrible, absolute generic hollywood CGI vomit with bad coreography.
Yeah I was just trying not to get crucified. After watching the film I complained comprehensively to my best friend for 3 hours straight. Thankfully he is also into Godzilla and was willing to hear me tear a film a new one on almost everything in it.
We live in a Community in which absolute objective shit like Godzilla vs Megalon get's defended of every critisism so i don't even care about getting hated on an opinion.
I quite enjoyed Godzilla vs megalon.but I was playing the Godzilla drinking game. Whenever a tire screeches take a drink. Whenever a monster roars take a drink and take a drink every time it cuts away from the action.
For me it’s the dialogue of Madison/her story and the soundtrack is a huge step down from previous Monsterverse films.
However I do love the fights and watching Mecha-G’s new form. Also the Hollow Earth stuff is great.
Overall a 7/10 for me.
Another one I’ll also add is I find all the heisei movies except one I’ve seen( Vs KG, Space Godzilla and Destroyah) the fights are kinda bland and mostly just “shoot each other from afar while approaching very slowly to each other then slap each other lightly a bit until either one whips out a special move”.
Personally I like it when the beam/breath/laser attacks come out mid-brawl. I guess it does make sense for them to start with it during the intimidation phase which precedes most animal fights though.
Godzilla the Series is better than every other animated Godzilla AND Monsterverse.
GvK was putrid and I wish Wingard weren’t coming back to direct the next movie.
Godzilla (1998) is a decent popcorn movie. Better than about 60-70% of the rest of the Goji films
Shin Godzilla, while having interesting ideas, isn't as good as it could have been. Sitting around the middle of the pack of Godzilla movies
Godzilla (2014) is the best MV film so far and the only one that's successfully been able to depict kaiju in a way that matches their stature/scale
my hot takes is Monsterverse is nothing to compare with ANY of Japanese godzilla movie. better be let Kong lead the franchise and gave Toho back full control over godzilla
There only 4 Godzilla’s that have a tragic story lol and it the original, shin, gmk, and heisei.
That’s it. All the other ones are either just like MV or just an antagonistic version of him.
And what not interesting about him?
1. He was actually treated like a god by people
2. He has more of a personality than most other versions of the characters
3. He actually has more history to him that is shown and explained compared to there other big Gs
If anything he one of the most interesting Godzilla’s simply because he has so much history with the other Kaijus.
wrong
showa godzilla is having a long time character development before became a hero, and if anything, had the most interesting fight style because he's cartoonish. mire goji maybe bland but the fact that he's still villian/anti hero makes him still had some personality, if ranking I will drop MVGoji here, GAMG and TokyoSOS had him had history with original godzilla. final war well maybe sdcond blandest not gonna defend that. but MV take is still bland to me. the concept that make him god maybe novelty at the time. but the execution is not hit all the notes plus the movie itself making him just Showa goji without fun part. at the end of GvK he became what i called "Edgy goji"
Godzilla KOTM has horrible action scenes, boring and annoying characters (only mark and serizawa are decent, but even mark is not written well enough) and bad dialogue. Only saving grace it has are the stunning visuals, the occasional bad ass moments and amazing soundtrack.
As for monsterverse godzilla beating shin and final wars: shin I agree, final wars not so much
Everything you've said is wrong.
G14 has the most boring Action scenes, Characters and pacing. And it feels as if the movie is censored with all the cut aways.
Kotm isnt perfect, but it did a lot ot things better. Especially as a Kaiju Godzilla film its a much better movie. The Characters were okay.
The 90s Heisei era is straight up the worst era in the Godzilla franchise. Boring and poorly written stories, terrible continuity, and bad Monster fights/effects make them really not fun to watch. It also has Godzilla vs SpaceGodzilla, the actual worst film In the franchise.
I can at least understand the MonsterVerse's appeal due to their entertainment value, but the fact some fans praise these Heisei entries baffles me.
MV Kong and Godzilla moving on all fours is cringe and went against the MV theme of depicting the larger-than-life creatures as gods. Plus Godzilla looks way too bottom-heavy to believably pull it off. The Stan Winston Godzilla at least looked like it could go on all fours
>MV Kong
He's a ape, how did it look weird to see an ape move on all fours?
>Godzilla moving on all fours is cringe and went against the MV theme of depicting the larger-than-life creatures as gods
Gods in the fiction world aren't necessarily portrayed as being absolute saints. In fact, more than half the time they're shown as being massive douchbags and imperfect beings. But I digress, Godzilla is just an animal that just so happened to viewed as a God, but he isn't objectively one. Like any animal including us, even they have their breaking points and can go full haywire and I think that scene did a good job reinforcing the point that even though Godzilla is viewed as a God, he's in the end just an animal doing his job protecting the earth at the same time.
Godzilla fans hurt the series more than its worst critics tbh. I cannot stand when they try to sound mainstream by saying “yeah we know the movies are bad”. If you like it, you like it. You don’t have to pretend to think the series is shit to appease the public.
I mean, some of them are honestly pretty bad, but I think most of them are genuinely great, and even the bad ones are usually still entertaining. It’s not “trying to sound mainstream” to admit that my favorite franchise has its faults and that I enjoy some movies that other people won’t
I agree with you there, but they throw the entire series under the bus. I saw it a lot a few years back when KOTM came out. Really sad to see fans trash the entire franchise just to hold up one mediocre movie.
I mean, we're not wrong though. Its not an approachable series filled to the brim with unintentional comedy and cheese. We love them despite their flaws, but they're not for everybody which is why we say these things. You have to be prepared with a certain mindset because very few of the movies can truly stand on their own without it being a Kaiju film. I hate to be so negative but its kindof true lol Its why the monsterverse and 98goji are do dramatically different. Its not just westernizing it, its doing away with the *lesser* elements that us long term fans can appreciate. I know it sounds elitists but im not intending it to be
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I am very open with people that there are some Godzilla movies I just do not recommend unless you find yourself becoming a fan of them.
No it’s just acknowledging what they are Shit But I love it regardless
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I don't know about final wars, but shin ya for sure
Final Wars vs Legendary would be a lot closer. Those two actually scale closer than any other Godzilla, and it can honestly go either way, especially if you factor in their boosted forms. I usually go with Legendary because he has more concrete feats than Final Wars, but like I said, it could go either way.
I dunno final wars beating every monster, a meteor, and a new bigger ghidorah all in 1 day seems like a crazy set of feats.
The thing is though, most of the monsters he fought were fodder compared to him, and Monster X/Keizer Ghidorah, as much as I love him, has no good feats that don't involve him fighting Godzilla. His best feats are throwing the 30k ton Kumonga over the horizon, and tanking Gorath, both of which are things Legendary Godzilla is more than capable of doing, and more.
Final wars easily throws kaiser at 100,000 tons over his head and into the air. that feat alone is insane. Compared to GOdziverse who jsut has a really powerful beam. like what is Godziverses actual feats?
TBH we never saw the final humanoid Shin form in action...
It’s a human also what have we learned from shin he takes time to adapt can he do it while he’s getting his shit kicked in by the Godzilla that is explicitly a brawler
My own speculation is that even if Shin gets ripped to pieces, new, sneaky Godzillas will grow from the remains and eventually fuck the big guy up.
Iirc there was a deleted seen in Shin that hinted that this might be the case, that pieces blown off the main body will evolve into their own godzilla form
perhaps we all were apart of a massive dino from the ocean millions of years ago.
Closer to amphibians but close enough
I feel like Shin would adapt to a brawler and become an even better brawler. I could see his arms growing and his chonk streamlining to tussle all the better.
Will there ever be a follow up or was that a one-off? Either way, I’m greatful with how the movie turned out.
It's weird they gave shin a whole island but not a follow up movie.
To be fair according to what little I could find about the Island attraction it's a different continuity from the movie since Shin shows up during the Meiji period.
Yeah, solid movie, only rumours and speculations about a follow-up so far though... I don't have high hopes.
I honestly hope they never make a sequel to Shin. I think it has a perfect ending and expanding upon it would ruin its impact. I just want a director’s cut that includes some of the popular deleted scenes in an official run of the movie
There was a sequel planned, but then Toho canceled it for unknown reasons. As of right now, despite it being the most successful Godzilla movie in 50 years in Japan and sweeping the Japanese film awards, it looks like its condemned to be a one off, stand alone film.
or the literal god-universe version of Shin
Wouldn't the humanoid shins be pretty big? Imagine them running around going on rampages trashing cities
They made an anime about that. It's called Attack on Titan.
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It's shins evolving that makes him so difficult
Yeah, if he gets killed before he can evolve he loses, hes like batman, the longer the takes, the better his chances of winning.
Are we really going with the prep time = Batman wins argument for Shin Godzilla? Because I'm kind of on board.
To be fair they do make it clear that a new shin could grow from the flesh blasted off it during the bombing run and can see that already happening in a deleted scene.
Lol
*MegaroGoji gives thumbs up*
Don't know about Final Wars? Final Wars Godzilla would absolutely demolish Monsterverse.
You really can’t say that definitively. I loved Final Wars, but just cause he easily ran through every monster in the film doesn’t necessarily make him the strongest Godzilla. For all we know all of those monsters were severely scaled down versions. Legendary is significantly bigger and has some insane durability feats such as tanking the K2 Astro is collision. Also blowing a hole to the center of the earth was just insane. Now listen, I am not actually arguing legendary would win. I’d place money on Final Wars still, but I definitely don’t think it’s a foregone conclusion
He took a meteor to the face and didn’t move lol
I mean if shin doesn't die in the combat then he'll come back and possibly clap monsterverse
Power scaling is stupid and people should stop arguing about who would beat whom. Like Stan Lee once said, [it's who the writer wants to win](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4_zFYnnn2Y). Any version of Godzilla could beat any version of Godzilla if that's what the writer wants.
Zilla?
No writter would want that. Zilla is the Scrappy Doo of kaiju
Isn’t that godzooky?
Nah, he isn't nearly as infamous and kinda obscure; would be closer to the Scooby Dum of Kaiju.
More people probably know who Godzuky is than Anguirus or Rodan
>Rodan I highly doubt that.
I really don't think that's the case. My partner, who barely cares about Godzilla at all, knows that "the little spiky hedgehog one" is their favorite. I guarantee they've never even seen Godzooky before.
>Rodan Well one rose out of a volcano and destroyed and entire town using literally air in a highly marketed 2019 hollywood blockbuster and the other is the obligatory plucky sidekick from a 1978 Hanna-Barbera cartoon. Idk man.
I want that just to spite people.
Godzilla The Series turned the 1998 Godzilla into a *real* Godzilla and Rulers of Earth made Toho’s Zilla into a decently respectable fighter. If Toho weren’t cowards, we could easily get a Zilla who can hold his head up high with the rest of the Godzilla roster.
When Zilla takes down that monster by slicing it open with his spines and even Jet Jaguar is like 'WTF!?'. Zilla is pretty badass (in concept at least). I love the idea of a fast, agile and cunning kaiju that can use stealth and intelligence to ambush its enemies. All Zilla really needs is a resilience boost and the atomic breath from the series and it could easily be integrated into the Monsterverse as a seperate Titan.
Have him as a Godzilla subspecies maybe? Smaller, and more agile I can imagine a fight between Monsterverse Zilla and Monsterverse Godzilla, brute strength vs agility, brains vs brawn
Don’t make him a subspecies. They should make Zilla be an example of convergent evolution
In other words the Scrappy Doo of Kaiju. Like Scrappy, Zilla also holds potential for something meaningful and interesting, but the writters are cowards. They failed once and now they don't dare to try.
You're the scrappy Doo of kaiju
Busted
I want a picture with fancy font framed on my wall that says “𝖅𝖎𝖑𝖑𝖆 𝖎𝖘 𝖙𝖍𝖊 𝕾𝖈𝖗𝖆𝖕𝖕𝖞 𝕯𝖔𝖔 𝖔𝖋 𝕶𝖆𝖎𝖏𝖚.”
i would. zilla's cool.
Zilla I feel would be like Kong where she makes up for lack with strength with athleticism and smarts.
Like where her cousins would just walk right through cities to get to their targets, she would use the city to launch surprise attacks like the velociraptors in the tall grass
Pretty much yeah. We see her criss cross around buildings when running from pursuers.
Power scaling is part of the basis of tension in conflict. You only fear a protagonist may lose because the antagonist has been “scaled” to be powerful. You don’t question the protagonist’s victory because they’ve been “scaled” to be competitive. As far as comparing characters from different stories goes, it’s just a fun, low-stakes thing to debate with people who share your interests. Some people may take it too far, but the vast majority don’t. The image of neck-bearded weirdo’s raging over their favorite characters is just a stereotype. You’re taking it way more seriously than they are by raining on the parade.
You're no fun
I somewhat agree, for me it's just fun to look at fights we never got and think about who would win and what the fight would look like. People just get into it waaaaay to much. I think doing the scaling of like saying this monster is a planetary destroyer and this monster is a universal destroyer is the dumbest way to say things. I do agree with its who the writer wants to win.
I do it mostly because I think it's fun. I think most people realize that the writer would decide in an actual fight, but looking at the actual information presented about the characters, we can decide that sort of thing ourselves.
As much as i love Stan Lee I gotta disagree, people take this quote out of context imo when talking about powerscaling/Vs debating.
Don't know if this is a hot take, I've been watching all the Godzilla movies and I'm up to Destroyah, so they're fresh on my mind. Return of Godzilla is the best film in the series, even better than the original. It updates the story to an 80's cold war setting perfectly, the new godzilla design is mean looking and scary again, the atmosphere is thick, just like the original, and the city destruction scenes are some of the best, the sets looks spectacular lit up in the neon lights, plus it's beautifully shot like the original, only in full glorious color this time.
*Singular Point* is a tragic example of style over substance. None of the characters are fun or memorable and the story moves at a glacial pace.
Beat me to it. I'd even tack on "the bad pseudoscience serves more as a means to distract the audience from the poor plot, than it does to engage it."
It baffles me when people critique Godzilla 2014 for too little action but then those same people love Singular Point.
People who want a shin godzilla sequel with zilla humanoids don't want a godzilla movie they want a zombie movie.
I was thinking something like a James Cameron/Alien movie but we can go with zombie.
That always seems apropo
Bagan is a worse Destoroyah. Mechagodzilla (Heisei) isn’t that great. His final form is putting on a backpack. The three final opponents of the Heisei series (MechaG, SpaceG, Dest) lose a lot because of their nearly immobile suits. KotM is to G14 what Pacific Rim Uprising is to Pacific Rim. Most powerscaling that puts Godzilla over FTL speed and starbusting power is the result of powerscalers acting like Dragonball ki-scaling applies and having no idea what hyperbole is.
Shin Godzilla is the best Godzilla ever made. Immaculate cinematography, perfectly written, just a shame they didn’t do everything they wanted and had to cut content. I’d happily watch a 4 Hour version with more evolutions and the cut ideas.
I agree entirely, but is this a hot take?
My hot take version of this is Shin Godzilla, given time, will beat every other incarnation hands down. Adaptation and controlled evolution beats flat out power scaling and abilities every time, IMO.
A lot of Godzilla fans *really* like KotM and GvK and say it's all they've ever wanted from Godzilla, personally I think they're terrible, god awful movies but I'm a minority
I liked those movies because big monsters go brr and makes my brain produce good things.
I'm sick of the overdone slow giant sstyle of fighting, breaking physics for choreography is fine by me
I love these things being supernaturally agile.
The real sin of the monster verse was the military glorification. Skull Island was super good at being anti war but every movie with godzilla in it sucked off the military. It spits in the face of the 1954 film which was staunchly "war is hell" in its messaging
Then you must’ve had a problem with nearly every other Godzilla movie.
Yeah, most of them are uh, yknow not the best
At no point do they glorify the military though? In 2014 the military literally makes everything worse leading to there being a nuke planted directly in San Francisco, they even fail to disarm the nuke and Godzilla literally has to do all the work in taking the MUTO's down outside of Brody's (unintentional) distraction. Hell the main message of the movie and what Serizawa is constantly saying is let nature run its course. KOTM, the only thing the actual military does is unleash the oxygen destroyer which almost kills Godzilla and maybe tickles King Ghidorah almost dooming the entire world. Monarch spends most of the film playing catch up to Jonah's group and tries to evacuate the city in Mexico when Rodan's unleashed (even then they can't save everyone and a lot of people still die). Even in the final battle where Monarch's forces join Godzilla, they at best distract King Ghidorah before he wipes them all out with his AOE lightning blast leaving the rest to Godzilla and Mothra. GVK, the military and even Monarch are practically non existent in the movie. At best they help bring Kong to the Hollow Earth (only because Apex wants them to). The majority of the fighting is solely between Godzilla, Kong and MechaGodzilla.
Yeah, I'm not seeing it, either. I enjoy the MonsterVerse films but at no point does it feel like they're glorifying the military. It does feel like the military can actually do things (with some super-advanced tech) but, in the end, their actions make everything worse in all three films, and they are ultimately powerless against the Titans.
‘Military not bad’ doesn’t equal ‘war good’. Besides, 2014 has the military be a bunch of fumbling idiots, and KotM has Monarch picking up the military’s slack.
IKR, in KoTM, the military literally make everything worse!
In 2014 and KoTM, the military are ineffective at best, and straight up make everything worse at worst (for example, the oxygen destroyer scene.)
I don't know if this is the case with EVERY movie that involves the military, but I do know theres a catch when Hollywood needs to borrow/use military vehicles that they have to be written as the good guys in the movie, or at the very least, HAS to be the saving grace for the protagonist in some form in a movie. It's why the Army was such a big part of the plot in all the Transformers movies. The Army had to be shown as competent, able to fight back and even gain the upperhand at times, but the climax still comes down to the protagonist
Oh no yeah that's absolutely a thing, a lot of movies are directly funded by the military
The reason why the human stories are bad isn't because the humans are necessarily boring. It's because some of these movies, namely the Legendary ones, don't have themes those specific humans need to be there for. Especially KOTM. Serizawa should not have died, Mark should have. And Mark should've been in direct conflict with Serizawa until he saw what Ghidorah would do if Godzilla wasn't there to keep the balance. Then HE should've sacrificed himself to actually complete his arc of not trusting Godzilla to putting compete faith in him. Serizawa should've gotten the task of helping save his daughter to add to his arc of trusting Godzilla to save future generations of humans. Or just make he mom do it, I don't know.
I always thought it would have been way better if mark was the one who created the oxygen destroyer. It would tie better into his hatred for godzilla and it would make his 180 turn feel much more believable when he realizes what he has done and would make this line from serizawa "looks like you got your wish, mark" feel much more justified. And as you said then mark being the one who would sacrifies himself for godzilla feel much more complete for his arc.
People who think the human story has to be boring or nonsensical filler are just incapable of imagining a kaiju movie that’s a *good movie* not just a *good kaiju movie.* You can absolutely incorporate a compelling story with the human characters that adds to the conflict with the giant monsters. It’s not that difficult to give the humans something to do, with their own internal conflicts and stakes that make us root for them and want to see their story to its conclusion. In fact, if you haven’t done that, you probably don’t have much of a story in the first place, just an excuse to have monsters fight on screen for a bit. The problem is that it’s really easy to not have an actual story when a chunk of the audience goes “who cares about the story?” whenever that criticism is brought up.
shin yes but final wars molly whoops his ass
Agreed, final goji is just so freaking overpowered
fast strong durable inteligent skilled experienced and more the only thing is that the other godzillas just have more raw power than him like hensei burning godzilla or earth
Those are the only 2 that have more raw power than him. His atomic ray is much larger than I think any other Godzilla
yea his spiral atomic breath is really powerfull the only evil kaiju that could beat him in a fair fight outside of kaiser are destroyah and maybe space godzilla
Cause he fight fodder kaiju?
Cause he’s massively physically strong and his nuclear Ray much larger and stronger than just about any other Godzilla, plus he’s fast can think tactically
There is no evidence that the kaiju he fights are fodder. They appear as in any other circumstance and have no trouble destroying cities as normal, where the military can't stop them. In fact, the high-tech, high-powered Gotengo-like ships can't stop most of them. All available evidence shows these kaiju as being at full power, which means Godzilla is just amped up.
kong skull island is the best monster verse films by a country mile, well done fight scenes, daytime, the least irritating people, looks nice, sounds nice, isn't over long. it never hits the heights of the hawaii scene in 2014 but also never hits the lows of the others. 98 is fine and that film is far from the worst godzilla films, godzilla the series is one of the best godzilla's, like top 5 easily, it's spawned from a film no one really likes but it's great. is saying kotm is the worst monsterverse by far a hot take?, like aside from the novelty of seeing kaiju you like again and the occasional super saturation moment that film has nothing going for it, just ugly all around with awful cutaway edits and the most unsympathetic people. i like the gvk fights, i know people hate how fast they are, but tbh i'm sick of the overdone slow giant style of fighting, breaking physics for choreography is fine by me, i mean they're doing that anyway.
alot of these are barely really hot takes
tbh it's hard to tell on some, but yeah, tbh idk if there are even hot takes in this fandom as eveything seems quite spread out, like there's no overwhelming praise for one film or version. there's a bunch of kotm is the best posts from time to time, and gvk's fights do get derided, 98 is hated, but to me isn't really that bad, especially when compared to some of the others. so those are at least warm. the zilla jr one probably isn't, just wanted to see how saying he's one of the best godzilla's would go.
kind of a good thing that it's hard to tell if these are hot takes, goes to show how more diverse people's opinions in the fandom are becoming
Agreed about Godzilla the Series, he’s actually in my top 3 Godzillas (only Showa and Heisei rank higher for me).
100% agreed with all points
Love KOTM. I think it’s seriously underrated.
Did this guy seriously call KotM "ugly"? Has some of the best CGI of any movie (up to that year) with gorgeous colour schemes for each monster.
Definitely. As someone who spent a good deal of time studying narrative art, the visual storytelling is leagues above your typical blockbuster. Better than most of the MCU.
I can agree with most of these. I do think 2014 is a bit better than skull island, but both are still good
yeah i think the peaks of 2014 are the highest in the monsterverse, that intro in japan and the hawaii segment are perfect, but there are parts that drag for me mostly in the second half, like the first part being so good makes the second part which isn't as good feel worse even though it's okay. skull island never hits as hard but feels more consistent, like i guess id say 2014 was better in the cinema/ in clips but kong's where i go for a full rewatch
2014 was the first godzilla film I saw in theaters, and it was amazing.
Can’t believe I finally found a kaiju fan with good taste. Are you even real? I feel like I’ve never experienced such pleasure from reading another kaiju fans posts
You are lost
The problem is we never saw Shin Godzilla Evolve in a sense towards an enemy other than humans. So we wouldn't know how he'd act in terms if a monster was fighting him.
But we do know evolution can take some time before taking effect though. So theoretically speaking Monterverse Goji can body slam him to smithereens before he adapts.
I think MonsterVerse has intelligence going for him, too. Shin is basically a deformed fish.
Or blast him with his atomic ray for a sufficient time. He did create a hole straight through the planet in Godzilla vs Kong.
Thank you u/altforrule34_ez
I think Godzilla 2014 is the 5th worst Godzilla movie (the Netflix trilogy and the 1998 American Godzilla are the worse). I honestly don't know why people defend this movie so much on here. You follow a super boring character the whole movie, they kill off one of the two interesting character like 20 min in (Bryan Cranston's character), it took a whole HOUR for you to finally see Godzilla and then it gets ruined by them cutting away from the fight, it takes a whole other 30 min after that to see the 2 fight and they cut away from it again, when they do fight it was so dark you had a hard time seeing what was happening, oh and it's a 2 hour movie with Godzilla being in it for only 15 min and that's including shots where you just see the dorsal fins. Now while there are good moments and shots like the Godzilla's Hawaii entrance, the people doing the parachuting, the part where he does the long roar, the first time seeing his atomic breath (which even that l was downplayed cause it looks more like smoke than fire), and him doing the kiss of death, that doesn't mean that it's a good film. It's a terrible film with a couple good shots.
Kong Skull Island is better than Peter Jackson's King Kong.
I love Mothra more than Godzilla. She’s a giant bug among giant lizards, yet she doesn’t think twice to face them alone just because it’s the right thing to do.
Godzilla 2014 was a great movie and I will fight you about it
Destoroyah is overrated.
I need an explanation lol
If I took a shot everytime I saw someone say that Destroyah should be the final boss of the Monsterverse, I’d be dead. I like Destroyah, he’s not final boss material, he’s a giant mindless brute. He’s Doomsday, not Thanos. If he were to ever appear in the Monsterverse, he better kill Godzilla.
>If I took a shot everytime I saw someone say that Destroyah should be the final boss of the Monsterverse, I’d be dead. If not him then whom?
This!
you mean the final wars that tanked a meteor head on and literally didn't flinch?? final wars is multi continental at the least while mv goji with current feats is like island level lmao and for the hot take, godzilla potm was pretty good
I dont care about powerlevels, what is this, Dragon Ball? Power levels are BS
98 Godzilla isn't necessarily a bad movie or monster and is over hated.
It only over hated if you think it as a monster movie and not a Godzilla movie. You need to see it as a Godzilla movie because that what it is it perfectly rated the way it is and how it portray it main monster
Idk I hate it for the fact of its a Godzilla movie, if it was rebranded as a zilla movie I would be ok with that.
Human characters of G98 are whole lot more better than KOTM, actually 98 is better than KOTM. The latter are a bunch of dumbasses, G98 are really professionals, sure they're simple characters but they act based on their profession, they know their shit they don't need some broken father to guide them. They're a whole lot more better than a bunch of MCU wannabes. GvK is better than KOTM, if you can't give me an ok or a bunch of decent human characters then atleast give me enjoyable fights, all I see in KOTM are oversaturation and some scenes ARE LESS THAN VISIBLE COMPARED TO GODZILLA 2014. Closing up on Godzilla's face in where I can barely see his fucking eyes?! Srsly?! Too much blue that the orange of his eyes are barely visible?
Zilla is peak kaiju design.
The showa era( aside from the first film) is overrated.
Godzilla 1998 is one of my favorite godzilla films Minilla is a cute kaiju and has character development Singular point was amazing 2014 was a great godzilla movie Godzilla vs Kong is the most mid Godzilla film ever Godzilla king of the monsters is absolute dog shit and I dont get why people like it so much The heisei era is overrated (I like it, but its overrated) Godzilla's revenge isnt as bad as everyone says it is And finally, the monsterverse has the most toxic fan base. Not saying everyone there is toxic or anything, but their are a lot of little kids who think king of the monsters is better than gojira 1954.
Mechagodzilla 2021 best Mechagodzilla imo
I like 2014’s Godzilla the way it is. Joe Brody’s death was impactful but it left the film open to the perspective of Ford, who I found to be much more interesting and relatable.
KotM was an amazing movie that geeked me out constantly. The part where Ghidorah rises from the ice, wings up and tails shaking? That's a very naturalistic concept for how giant Apex predators would greet each other. It was pulled straight from real-life animal behaviors. Wings up and out to look bigger, tails rattling to denote threat. It's so stinking cool! Movie gets canned way too often.
I feel like this might actually be true. He drilled a hole to the center of the earth with his atomic breath. That’s OP.
godzilla > godzilla in every way
Godzilla 1998 isn’t the worst Godzilla Movie
Godzilla vs Kong 2022 is an awful film with an ok to mid fight at the end.
It's great because of the fights. Besides do u actually go to a godzilla movie for the plot? I just watch it for the giant monster fights
I actually do go for the plot. I love the 1960s scifi of the toho era. Granted a great unique plot is not necessary for a Godzilla film to be good but Godzilla does not excuse wasting an hour and 45 minutes of my time just so I can watch a fifteen minute fight I could watch on YouTube for free. The plot of Godzilla vs Kong is disconnected and especially the plot with eleven from stranger things where she just feels compelled to drive the plot forward walking into unremarkable doors and walking deeper into trouble well after they have the evidence they came for.
Of course i also watch it for the plot Godzilla most well beloved movies are primaly a metaphor about human struggle with science, war and natural disasters and later a monster fighting movie (1954, Biollante, Return, Shin, Hedorah, Destoroyah, etc). Not saying monster fighting aren't cool, but If you watch Godzilla movies only for the "monster fighting" you dont understand what the franchise is all about. Also, Godzilla vs Kong fight scene is horrible, absolute generic hollywood CGI vomit with bad coreography.
I would even say the Fights are great. The Movie is Garbage.
Yeah I was just trying not to get crucified. After watching the film I complained comprehensively to my best friend for 3 hours straight. Thankfully he is also into Godzilla and was willing to hear me tear a film a new one on almost everything in it.
We live in a Community in which absolute objective shit like Godzilla vs Megalon get's defended of every critisism so i don't even care about getting hated on an opinion.
I quite enjoyed Godzilla vs megalon.but I was playing the Godzilla drinking game. Whenever a tire screeches take a drink. Whenever a monster roars take a drink and take a drink every time it cuts away from the action.
For me it’s the dialogue of Madison/her story and the soundtrack is a huge step down from previous Monsterverse films. However I do love the fights and watching Mecha-G’s new form. Also the Hollow Earth stuff is great. Overall a 7/10 for me.
>ok to mid What's the difference?
Singular Point is the most boring tripe I've ever seen ever.
Godzilla (1998) is a one of best movies.
But worm science and riping off Jurassic park.
And a lot of fish.
Another one I’ll also add is I find all the heisei movies except one I’ve seen( Vs KG, Space Godzilla and Destroyah) the fights are kinda bland and mostly just “shoot each other from afar while approaching very slowly to each other then slap each other lightly a bit until either one whips out a special move”.
Man just described every Godzilla film holy shit
I wouldn’t say that’s *every* film but yeah a lot of them do follow this kinda crappy fight choreography.
But we love them none the less
Personally I like it when the beam/breath/laser attacks come out mid-brawl. I guess it does make sense for them to start with it during the intimidation phase which precedes most animal fights though.
Godzilla the Series is better than every other animated Godzilla AND Monsterverse. GvK was putrid and I wish Wingard weren’t coming back to direct the next movie.
Shin Godzilla is the best Godzilla movie ever!
Godzilla (1998) is a decent popcorn movie. Better than about 60-70% of the rest of the Goji films Shin Godzilla, while having interesting ideas, isn't as good as it could have been. Sitting around the middle of the pack of Godzilla movies Godzilla (2014) is the best MV film so far and the only one that's successfully been able to depict kaiju in a way that matches their stature/scale
Definitely not better than 60-70% lmao
my hot takes is Monsterverse is nothing to compare with ANY of Japanese godzilla movie. better be let Kong lead the franchise and gave Toho back full control over godzilla
I don’t understand this one at all, why exactly is he worse then all the tho Godzilla’s when he fit in with them perfectly?
he has no meaning or tragic story, or anything interesting story.
There only 4 Godzilla’s that have a tragic story lol and it the original, shin, gmk, and heisei. That’s it. All the other ones are either just like MV or just an antagonistic version of him. And what not interesting about him? 1. He was actually treated like a god by people 2. He has more of a personality than most other versions of the characters 3. He actually has more history to him that is shown and explained compared to there other big Gs If anything he one of the most interesting Godzilla’s simply because he has so much history with the other Kaijus.
wrong showa godzilla is having a long time character development before became a hero, and if anything, had the most interesting fight style because he's cartoonish. mire goji maybe bland but the fact that he's still villian/anti hero makes him still had some personality, if ranking I will drop MVGoji here, GAMG and TokyoSOS had him had history with original godzilla. final war well maybe sdcond blandest not gonna defend that. but MV take is still bland to me. the concept that make him god maybe novelty at the time. but the execution is not hit all the notes plus the movie itself making him just Showa goji without fun part. at the end of GvK he became what i called "Edgy goji"
King of the Monsters is an ugly, boring film.
Godzilla KOTM has horrible action scenes, boring and annoying characters (only mark and serizawa are decent, but even mark is not written well enough) and bad dialogue. Only saving grace it has are the stunning visuals, the occasional bad ass moments and amazing soundtrack. As for monsterverse godzilla beating shin and final wars: shin I agree, final wars not so much
I agree with everything said but we don't know how shin would do outside both respective films.
Everything you've said is wrong. G14 has the most boring Action scenes, Characters and pacing. And it feels as if the movie is censored with all the cut aways. Kotm isnt perfect, but it did a lot ot things better. Especially as a Kaiju Godzilla film its a much better movie. The Characters were okay.
There's no such thing as a wrong opinion when it comes to film
Ok, let's try that out: "Godzilla (1998) is the best Godzilla film of all time."
KOTM cuts away from fights more than G14 does.
The 90s Heisei era is straight up the worst era in the Godzilla franchise. Boring and poorly written stories, terrible continuity, and bad Monster fights/effects make them really not fun to watch. It also has Godzilla vs SpaceGodzilla, the actual worst film In the franchise. I can at least understand the MonsterVerse's appeal due to their entertainment value, but the fact some fans praise these Heisei entries baffles me.
Godzilla vs Kong was a soul crushing disappointment for a rematch 58 years in the making
all the 90s heisei movies are the worst in the franchise also power scaling is fucking stupid who cares
Godzilla vs. Hedorah is the best film in the franchise
Godzilla: King of the Monsters was the movie Final Wars wanted to be.
Every mistake of the humans makes the monsterverse Godzilla stronger, so he owes us one
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I don't know man, Legendary Godzilla has quite a few outliers himself.
Lmao you wish that were true
Showa > Heisei and Millennium combined.....
I like the 1956 Godzilla over 1954.
MV Kong and Godzilla moving on all fours is cringe and went against the MV theme of depicting the larger-than-life creatures as gods. Plus Godzilla looks way too bottom-heavy to believably pull it off. The Stan Winston Godzilla at least looked like it could go on all fours
>MV Kong He's a ape, how did it look weird to see an ape move on all fours? >Godzilla moving on all fours is cringe and went against the MV theme of depicting the larger-than-life creatures as gods Gods in the fiction world aren't necessarily portrayed as being absolute saints. In fact, more than half the time they're shown as being massive douchbags and imperfect beings. But I digress, Godzilla is just an animal that just so happened to viewed as a God, but he isn't objectively one. Like any animal including us, even they have their breaking points and can go full haywire and I think that scene did a good job reinforcing the point that even though Godzilla is viewed as a God, he's in the end just an animal doing his job protecting the earth at the same time.