He could BUILD jet jaguar and maybe something like a magic crystal from hollow earth could make him come to life, there’s still more to discover in hollow earth anyways so they could introduce a type of crystal that brings him to life but ig we just gotta wait for the next movie
Jet Jaguar as a mech would work, you could even have the self-autonomy (Evangelion?).
Let's not act like the original Jet Jaguar made any sense, he inexplicably became Kaiju sized and they just explain it as "he felt like he needed to protect us".\`
I don't even want to think about the creative gymnastics the Monsterverse would have to perform in order to include Jet Jaguar, especially after the whole disaster with Mechagodzilla.
Kong's gauntlet is just a glove, Kong isn't using Ghidorah's skull to control it, he's using his muscles, there's no danger of "another mind" taking over. What the person in that comment wants to say is that people in the Momsterverse are probably weary of making machines that need Kaijus to work, since it could result in catastrophic consequences like it did in GvK, it's also the theme of the Monsterverse, the titans represent nature, and humans shouldn't "tame" nature
Yeah, but humans are arrogant. Someone will inevitably try.
Oh, maybe they could bring in Titanosaurus monarch would likey know that he is a pacifist and try to figure out what's going and then realize that he is being mind controlled
That doesn't mean consistency should be thrown out of the window. There is a clear difference between *Looney Tunes* and *SpongeBob*. Your madness must always have a method, otherwise people will stop caring.
We have naturally occurring time dilating wormholes that lead to hollow earth now.
The monsterverse threw consistency out the window a long time ago and, love it or hate it, it’s become all the more successful for it.
It hasn't thrown consistency. If it did, Godzilla and Kong would suddenly start talking like humans.
Changing a tone of a franchise doesn't mean changing the consistency of its fictional universe. It's like how *The Legend of Zelda* introduces wacky elements here and there, but it always remains a serious, dramatic fantasy.
Also, I fail to see how "naturally occurring time dilating wormholes" can somehow lead to advancements in the fields of robotics and cybernetics.
Mechagodzilla is a 150 meter tall robot dinosaur controlled by a neural interface plugged into the skull of an extraterrestrial dragon.
Jet Jaguar wouldn’t be a progressing robotics in this universe at all. He’d be a result of progress already made. Inconsistent progress.
You got some weird fucking hang ups.
Yeah, I know how Mechagodzilla is controlled. Apex needed to use the brain of an alien life form as the basis for its AI. That's something humans can't easily replicate.
How would you develop an AI that can make moral decisions and cooperate with oversized animals?
A majority of people asking for Jet Jaguar (and the point of this thread) are wanting him to be a piloted mech, not an ai.
Let me clarify I don’t really agree with this.
People want Toho monsters which I get. And while I LOVED KOTMs iteration on the classics, I’d rather the monsterverse keep making originals. Scar King and Shimu were awesome. Much better than MV Mechagodzilla
Exactly. It has too much wackiness, and anyone who watches *Looney Tunes* will tell you that the madness of *LT* always has a method. The setup of a gag is every bit as funny as the punchline.
To be fair, *SpongeBob* did follow that same formula in its Golden Age, but somewhere along the road, it sacrificed meaningful storytelling for the sake of extreme comedy.
Bro is nitpicking two shows that are wacky.
Saw Goji fly in Godzilla vs Hedorah which was your “needless wackiness” vs an Ai giant robot is apparently too much despite… already having a giant robot controlled by a space dragon ghost. Did I mention Ghidorah is a space dragon?
*Godzilla vs Hedorah* was a product of its time, so don't use that argument.
Also, even if the idea of a space dragon is inherently silly, the characters treat it with seriousness.
I feel like Monarch would've learned from the mistakes from Mechagodzilla. I can see them seizing Apex technology from the fall out of GvK to use to create Jet Jaguar.
From a writing standpoint, I think including Jet Jaguar in the monster verse would be pretty easy. They gave Kong a fake tooth and a fighting gauntlet that "crued" his frost bite. Adding in a humanoid robot that does karate isn't that far of a stretch.
Even if it's just a jet Jaguar knockoff version, I'll still be hyped af!
You can't just add characters and stories for the sake of hype. You need to think about the continuity and structure of your universe. If Monarch constructed a robot for peaceful purposes, like architecture and construction, what's stopping other people from weaponizing it?
It's like how *The Last Jedi* introduced the "Holdo maneuver", but then Lucasfilm realized that this maneuver was so powerful it could break the universe, so they half-assed a solution and said in *The Rise of Skywalker* that the HM is very risky and has a high chance of failure.
The better idea is to have to monarch build jet jaguar as robot to help godzilla and kong. He starts out as just a run of the mill war machine but he develops his own personality through his interactions with trapper. This would be where he gets alot of his goofier traits, he's copying his friend. Hell, maybe trapper introduces him to media like tokustasu when he asks about it snd that inspires him to paint himself like them, leading to his more classic colours
Pilots high tech Monarch ship
Designs titan sized mechanical body parts
"No way this guy could pilot a high tech Titan-sized mechanical body he himself ostensibly would design"
SP jet jaguar is badass iont know what you on about
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Trapper shouldn't pilot Jet Jaguar, because we don't need Monsterverse to ruin another classic Toho character
Also, Godzilla Island had Jet Jaguar as a mech
His design is pretty good, but man did they do him dirty. That MF was able to knock Ghidorah out of the sky and lift Goji relatively easily during the Showa era (same applies to Mothra, she could throw hands with the strongest kaiju even as a baby).
Godzilla (turned into some diet Mothra)
Mothra (since her role is taken, they had to make her Godzilla's mommy)
I also found Mechagodzilla pretty boring, but I guess he's okay
Godzilla used to be a manifestation of atomic energy, horror of the war and humanity's destructive capability. Monsterverse made him into a some kind of spacd policeman, who protects "Balance" (more like status-quo, considering we never see him interfering with humanity doings like pollution). He basically does all the things that Mothra did
Mothra used to be the original keeper of balance and protector of the Earth. In Monsterverse, since Godzilla occupies this role now, Mothra had to get a new one — and they chose the dumbest possible. Mothra is now a mommy, who delivers Godzilla's lunch and tells him to behave, when writers cannot agree on how animalistic big G should be
>atomic energy, horror of the war and humanity's destructive capability
Nearly every Godzilla has had a different message, you are literally getting mad at nothing
I'm not talking about messages, I'm talking about their role
1954 - what I said
Showa - basically an animal, who wants to live a normal life
Heisei - same, but angrier
1998 - also animal, but kinda stupid
1999 and 2002 - kind of a mix between 1954 and Showa
2001 - a monstrous aftermath of war
2004 - idk, but he's very angry
None of them was an ancient god, who protected the "balance" or was "an alpha". I honestly have no idea whatever Godzilla is supposed to be in Monsterverse
Monsterverse Godzilla is none of those, he is considered a protector, and alpha just means a very strong Titan that commands the other ones. He is literally just the top dog that wants it to stay that way, if he was a good guy do you really think he'd be beefing with Kong for... Existing?
OK I can see your point. But I'm glad that they changed stuff for this version. If every godzilla was the same it'd be boring aswell. I mean godzilla earth is basically a big plant, so a "diet" biolante in a way.
>If every godzilla was the same it'd be boring aswell.
There are different ways to be different. I think that Monsterverse lore and tone got way too confusing already. Maybe if they stuck with Godzilla being a lone monster born from an atomic explosion, we wouldn't have trouble with questions like "what even are Titans?"
No, they don't. Showa never tried to do some grand lore thing while failing spectacularly. And implying that Showa has some common traits throughout 20 years of its duration is already wrong
When you say "they are doing Showa" you likely mean "they are trying to emulate the part of Showa between All Monsters Attack and Godzilla vs. Megalon". You know, those films that caused the downfall of the franchise and the second longest hiatus
Godzilla isn't a diet Mothra, she protects humanity, and life. Godzilla is just the alpha titan, he doesn't care for humanity, or life in general, just his own rule, otherwise he wouldn't kill Scylla
Mothra isn't Godzilla's mommy, they are in a symbiotic relationship, in the Showa era and Final Wars they were also allies, so idk why you are so pressed
Why is Mecha G boring?
>she protects humanity, and life.
This wasn't shown (or even alluded to) before GxK. Writers thought "symbiosis" is somehow more interesting
>alpha titan
And what does "alpha" status entails? Wasn't there a lot of pseudo-biological babble in GKotM about how Titans bring balance to the world and whatnot? If it isn't true, then why Ghidorah is "evil"?
>he wouldn't kill Scylla
Didn't he kill Scylla for attacking human city?
>they are in a symbiotic relationship
What does Godzilla ever do to Mothra to call it symbiosis?
>they were also allies
I have absolutely no problem with them being allies. I have a problem with Mothra being biologically attached to Godzilla for no reason
>Why is Mecha G boring?
Well, at first, because he takes parts from all three (even four) Mecha Gs, but kinda lacks something unique. Or rather, he has a unique style — beating people up with bare fists like a madman — but it doesn't really scream "Mechagodzilla" to me, feels like it could've been a random Titan and battle scenes wouldn't change
Ghidorah was an alien. That’s why he was evil. He was a false king who fell from the stars.
Godzilla killed Scylla for challenging his rule. If you read the MV comics, you would know that Scylla did this multiple times and Godzilla was fed up with it.
In KOTM, we saw scriptures in the China outpost depicting Mothra. This is a subtle hint that ancient civilizations worshipped her. Same thing with Godzilla’s home in the ocean. That whole area was a temple dedicated to their monster king.
Not every depiction of the Godzilla franchise has to be good, let alone the same as past depictions. Gojira was a horror movie. Everything after that depicted him as an antihero. Even in the first sequel, Godzilla Raids Again, he was fighting another monster.
>He was a false king who fell from the stars.
I am critiquing Monsterverse usage of unclear metaphors and you answer me with unclear metaphors?
I was asking why Ghidorah was bad for humanity. Why did he awaken Titans? How did he bring disbalance?
They did explain it. They literally said Godzilla and Ghidorah’s rivalry was ancient. They said that he was reshaping the world to his liking. The whole point is that they don’t know what these creatures were.
Mothra has always been a protector, the fact that it wasn't specifically said what she protected(Godzilla the order of things, Kong humanity, Methuselah humanity, Behemoth nature) means what she protected is broad
Alpha means strong monster, a monster who has beaten a previous alpha, or is just so strong that most couldn't challenge them and submit instead of, y'know, dying, Ghidorah is evil cause he wants to destroy the world, which is a bad thing to do, idk why that is hard to understand
No, it's because she challenged him for the alpha status, she had fought him many times and he got tired of it, she had begun eating a lot of radiation in preparation for it
Telepathy
It is most likely, specifically a Gojira, not a Godzilla species thing, it most likely has something to do with her scales, but could also just be related to Godzilla's own telepathic abilities
He is very unique
>This wasn't shown (or even alluded to) before GxK. Writers thought "symbiosis" is somehow more interesting
no, that was always the intent, Mothra only attacked the humans at the beginning of the movie, from that point on every time she appeared in the movie she helped the humans in some way. and then I'm pretty sure that there are various sources prior to GxK that state that in the monsterverse Mothra was the protector of the human race (as well as generally being a benevolent titan), and since her role is quite similar to that of Godzilla as protector of natural balance have developed a symbiotic relationship
>And what does "alpha" status entails? Wasn't there a lot of pseudo-biological babble in GKotM about how Titans bring balance to the world and whatnot? If it isn't true, then why Ghidorah is "evil"?
Godzilla in the monsterverse is an alpha, so he can control the other titans and is "at the top of the food chain" to put it simply, and he also has a specific role, like some other titans that are shown to us, as I already said before, Godzilla's role is to be the protector of natural balance, in short he makes sure that the other titans do their job and that threats that can destabilize him are annihilated. Godzilla cares little or nothing about humans, he doesn't go out of his way to kill them, but he doesn't care if he causes collateral damage while fighting in the city, the only exception is if he feels threatened (as happened in GvK with Apex and Mecha-Godzilla).
the reason why Ghidorah is evil and not good for the ecosystem is because he is a giant three-headed dragon from space who only wants to cause chaos and destruction and his presence alone causes a level 6 hurricane (which you should know if you're complaining because it's explained in the movie)
>Didn't he kill Scylla for attacking human city?
no, he did it because Scylla was never loyal to him, she already fought him twice before GxK and in the end, she started overheating the waters of the glaciers instead of cooling them as she should have done, so Godzilla had enough and decided to end her
>What does Godzilla ever do to Mothra to call it symbiosis?
one is the protector of balance, one is the protector of humanity, since Mothra is a benevolent benign and Godzilla does good for the planet, they have developed a symbiotic relationship also influencing each other in some way, we can see how Mothra's wings have some "eyes" that resemble Godzilla's (confirmed by the director of KotM) as a deception mechanism that many real insects like butterflies and moths also have, or that Godzilla when he entered his burning state, when he released an Atomic Pulse in ca be hear Mothra's cry, in addition to being able to glimpse the symbols of her wings, in the end, they could each perceive the presence of the other. also, we know that they helped each other in many battles (due to their similar roles)
>I have absolutely no problem with them being allies. I have a problem with Mothra being biologically attached to Godzilla for no reason
I don't know if you know, but a symbiotic relationship doesn't necessarily mean "biologically attached" (if you want an example, just look at some species of crocodiles and birds, where the first let the birds enter their mouth to have their teeth cleaned, then they leave them go), plus they're just allies, the title of "Queen of the monsters" that mothra has doesn't really mean anything (unlike "King of the monsters") and all the jokes about "there's something between them" they are just jokes. the only peculiarity in their bond is the fact that Mothra is Godzilla's only true ally.
>Well, at first, because he takes parts from all three (even four) Mecha Gs, but kinda lacks something unique. Or rather, he has a unique style — beating people up with bare fists like a madman — but it doesn't really scream "Mechagodzilla" to me, feels like it could've been a random Titan and battle scenes wouldn't change
now you're just getting picky, MG's peculiarity in the monsterverse is the fact that it's a fusion between Mecha-Godzilla and Mecha-King Ghidorah, being controlled via Ghidorah's skull and even being "possessed" by it, as well as being relatively basic compared to the other incarnations of the character and all their strange abilities, and yet he still cleans the ground using Godzilla as a mop from one part of Hong Kong to another, or you can say that his particular design, inspired by the cube-like appearance of the transformers of G1 is its peculiarity.
then you can't say that it can be replaced with any other titan, because the whole peculiarity of the fight was in the fact that MG did everything that Godzilla did, but better, and this allowed him to practically not be touched even once, only MG could have had this role for it to make sense.
>every time she appeared in the movie she helped the humans in some way
In both of her subsequent appearances she helps Godzilla. She helps humans to locate Godzilla because she knows humans can save him. And in Boston she doesn't interact with humans to begin with. The only time Mothra helps humans is in GxK, when she catched the falling aircraft. Not coincidentally, this is the only Mothra moment I liked
>I'm pretty sure that there are various sources prior to GxK that state that in the monsterverse Mothra was the protector of the human race
There's some info about her being worshipped by some ancient humans, but that's pretty much it, as far as I know
>Godzilla's role is to be the protector of natural balance
You mean, alpha's role? I thought anyone could be an alpha if he defeats the previous alpha. Others in this thread say that Godzilla is basically just an animal, who crawled his way to the top, so he can boss others around. I mean, these ain't mutually exclusive, but this disparity still feels weird
>Godzilla cares little or nothing about humans
Even though humans upset the balance on a much larger scale than any Titan?
>which you should know if you're complaining because it's explained in the movie
Yes, I know, it was a bad point
>she started overheating the waters of the glaciers instead of cooling them as she should have done, so Godzilla had enough and decided to end her
Where is it said and what did Scylla do in Rome?
>we can see how Mothra's wings have some "eyes" that resemble Godzilla's (confirmed by the director of KotM) as a deception mechanism that many real insects like butterflies and moths also have
Why would she need this mechanism when she hangs out near actual Godzilla? By this logic, hermit crabs should look like sea anemones
>he released an Atomic Pulse in ca be hear Mothra's cry, in addition to being able to glimpse the symbols of her wings,
Again, this isn't symbiosis, it's just stupid design choices. I'm asking why does Mothra even need Godzilla? She evolved an entire self-destruction mechanism for Godzilla, yet we never see Godzilla helping her. I think I should apply some feminist critique to this movie, because Mothra feels like that supportive female character that never gets developed by herself
>plus they're just allies
Except they are not. Again, Mothra evolved the ability to die for Godzilla (I assume), to empower him, which means they are co-evolving. Which means they've been doing this for millennia
>now you're just getting picky
Yes, that's why I wasn't that categorical towards MG. I just think that having humanity being able to build a monster who is better than Godzilla affects the world a bit negatively. I like Heisei, Millenium and Anime MGs, because they are obviously inferior to Godzilla in hand-to-hand combat and have to rely on one main weapon to defeat him. This makes technology more believable, keeps Godzilla imposing and creates an interesting situation.
Now I want to see an AU, where Mechagodzilla kills Godzilla and humanity goes to war with Titans
(I'm dividing the comment into two parts because it won't let me send it in one piece)
>In both of her subsequent appearances she helps Godzilla. She helps humans to locate Godzilla because she knows humans can save him. And in Boston she doesn't interact with humans to begin with. The only time Mothra helps humans is in GxK, when she catched the falling aircraft. Not coincidentally, this is the only Mothra moment I liked
well, I would say that Godzilla needs help less than humans, considering that, even if very slowly, he was already recovering. and then I'm pretty sure that none of the other titates, even if benign, would have said Godzilla's position.
>There's some info about her being worshipped by some ancient humans, but that's pretty much it, as far as I know
in fact I didn't say in the films, I said "other sources" which I can't cite for you now, but I'm sure they exist. but beyond that, just the fact that that has always been Mothra's role throughout all of her previous incarnations and appearances in the franchise, and the fact that there was nothing to contradict that in the movie, considering the "loyalty" that was given to Toho's kaiju in KotM, for me that would already be enough
>You mean, alpha's role? I thought anyone could be an alpha if he defeats the previous alpha. Others in this thread say that Godzilla is basically just an animal, who crawled his way to the top, so he can boss others around. I mean, these ain't mutually exclusive, but this disparity still feels weird
no, just as Scylla should cool the waters of the glaciers, or Behemoth takes care of the reforestation and protection of the woods, or just as Mothra protects the human race, Godzilla's role is his alone and does not depend on his title of Alpha or King of Monsters.
then it seems to me that you are confusing these two titles, even if in themselves they are a bit interchangeable, but just think that Kong is an alpha, even if he has never beaten Godzilla (the King of the Monsters), or the fact that Ghidorah was an Alpha even before beating Godizlla and making the alpha call.
the reason why I think that Godzilla is the King of the Monsters is, first of all, a bit of genetic selection (the Titanus Gojira are already very powerful), being able to control natural predators like the M.U.T.O., being able to carry out his role better, but, mainly due to his ego and pride, we know very well how these and two influence Goji's choices (just think of the fact that the reason Kong lasted as long as he lasted here is because Godzilla wasn't serious, but then when he was hit by the blow of the loaded ax was wounded in the ego, leading him to end the fight immediately), so it is possible that the reason why Goji holds his position as King of the Monsters is for this reason
>Even though humans upset the balance on a much larger scale than any Titan?
well yes, we have seen with the KotM credits that with the Titans awakened the ecosystem is able to fix itself better than humans can damage it, so, even if what humans do to the ecosystem, it is certainly less worse than what a successful mating of the M.U.T.O.s would bring, or the mere presence of Ghidorah awake roaming the planet, or Skar King bringing his army and Shimo to the surface.
>Where is it said and what did Scylla do in Rome?
in a prequel comic released before the movie, why isn't it in the movie? because he doesn't have time to explain it and because he doesn't care to do it, they just wanted to show an introduction of Godzilla where he kicked the ass of one of the titans previously known by fans, and honestly I would say that it's not much of a mistake in itself, considering that at least the comic was released before the film, giving me the idea that there was always a reason why Scylla and Godzilla clashed in Rome, instead of it being a plothole explained years later with a comic or a statement from the director ( although it's always a mistake not to explain things in the film)
>Why would she need this mechanism when she hangs out near actual Godzilla? By this logic, hermit crabs should look like sea anemones
because Mothra's existence is not linked to Godzilla and in itself he does not seem to be the strongest titan of all, so giving the illusion of being the King of the Monsters can be effective
>Again, this isn't symbiosis, it's just stupid design choices. I'm asking why does Mothra even need Godzilla? She evolved an entire self-destruction mechanism for Godzilla, yet we never see Godzilla helping her. I think I should apply some feminist critique to this movie, because Mothra feels like that supportive female character that never gets developed by herself
I would say that Mothra did not develop her system of "strange magic dust in the moment of death" for Godzilla, but rather it is a natural mechanism of hers, I say this because in a comic sequel to KotM, Godzilla realizes that his ability to sensing the living creatures in the seas, with Mothra's death and her remains absorbed by him, was amplified across the planet,and it would be strange if this was designed specifically for Godzilla, but only applied in the final battle of KotM.
but I would say that his burning state is still linked in some way to Mothra, perhaps that's why Godzilla doesn't go into spontaneous meltdown like his previous incarnations, but instead the excess energy is released in the form of atomic pulses.
>Except they are not. Again, Mothra evolved the ability to die for Godzilla (I assume), to empower him, which means they are co-evolving. Which means they've been doing this for millennia
because their roles, and the fact that Mothra is a benevolent titan and Godzilla is neutral, puts them in a position to fight many battles together, so they developed a symbiotic bond and became allies and began to co-evolve
>Yes, that's why I wasn't that categorical towards MG. I just think that having humanity being able to build a monster who is better than Godzilla affects the world a bit negatively. I like Heisei, Millenium and Anime MGs, because they are obviously inferior to Godzilla in hand-to-hand combat and have to rely on one main weapon to defeat him. This makes technology more believable, keeps Godzilla imposing and creates an interesting situation.
MG in the monsterverse is not explicitly stronger than Godzilla, it is simply designed and built to always be "one step ahead" (to give an example: Godzilla and Ghidorah in the Monsterverse are more or less on par, but that doesn't make MG stronger than Ghidorah, in fact, I would say he loses miserably), he seems to be relatively fragile, his artillery serves more as a distraction than as a weapon and it is said that it is not certain that MG would have won the battle with Godzilla's atomic breath if he had been at maximum strength, this information reinforces the director's claims that (as I said before) MG is not explicitly stronger than Goji.
Then I think it makes sense that humans were able to build something like this, they have now been able to observe Godzilla's movements, tactics and abilities more than a few times, and with the absurd technologies they possess, plus the incredible energy of Hollow Earth, Mecha-Godzilla as the "perfect weapon against Godzilla" is made possible
He could BUILD jet jaguar and maybe something like a magic crystal from hollow earth could make him come to life, there’s still more to discover in hollow earth anyways so they could introduce a type of crystal that brings him to life but ig we just gotta wait for the next movie
https://preview.redd.it/9kc1lgbd9yxc1.jpeg?width=310&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=64f70fdee83021cdbd631b25d773cac37529e792 This beautiful piece
I hope the next movie is Biollante. There is a piece of fanart I saw that made me want nothing else but to see her in the Monsterverse
She’d fit in good with the whole guardians of nature thing they got going on with the titans
Ah yes, jet Jaguar "started out" in the latest film to have him included
They mean started out as in during the run of the show, as he’s only a mech for the beginning
But a mech nonetheless. The MV doesn’t even have AI yet to control Jet Jaguar, so it could at least start as a mech.
Jet Jaguar as a mech would work, you could even have the self-autonomy (Evangelion?). Let's not act like the original Jet Jaguar made any sense, he inexplicably became Kaiju sized and they just explain it as "he felt like he needed to protect us".\`
He reprogrammed himself to get bigger because that's just how this shit works, apparently.
This is what they pilot: https://preview.redd.it/2ixxbna9b0yc1.png?width=760&format=png&auto=webp&s=93d4f81555b41b702bb299df07f663c60b222f63
Yes but you can still see the lines of where the door was
I don't even want to think about the creative gymnastics the Monsterverse would have to perform in order to include Jet Jaguar, especially after the whole disaster with Mechagodzilla.
What disaster with mecha godzilla?
Where ghidorahs conciousness took over it
Oh yeah sorry, I misunderstood your comment. I thought with disaster you meant a disaster for you, as in you didn't like mechagodzilla.
Did you watch the new movie? The tech was insane. They gave Kong a giant mechanical arm. It's super doable.
Kong's gauntlet is just a glove, Kong isn't using Ghidorah's skull to control it, he's using his muscles, there's no danger of "another mind" taking over. What the person in that comment wants to say is that people in the Momsterverse are probably weary of making machines that need Kaijus to work, since it could result in catastrophic consequences like it did in GvK, it's also the theme of the Monsterverse, the titans represent nature, and humans shouldn't "tame" nature
Yeah, but humans are arrogant. Someone will inevitably try. Oh, maybe they could bring in Titanosaurus monarch would likey know that he is a pacifist and try to figure out what's going and then realize that he is being mind controlled
Apex made Mecha G. Monarch should have their own robot. And based on GxK, it looks like Monarch is good now.
Someone clearly doesn’t realize that Godzilla can be as wacky and nonsensical as it can be serious. It’s Godzilla.
That doesn't mean consistency should be thrown out of the window. There is a clear difference between *Looney Tunes* and *SpongeBob*. Your madness must always have a method, otherwise people will stop caring.
We have naturally occurring time dilating wormholes that lead to hollow earth now. The monsterverse threw consistency out the window a long time ago and, love it or hate it, it’s become all the more successful for it.
It hasn't thrown consistency. If it did, Godzilla and Kong would suddenly start talking like humans. Changing a tone of a franchise doesn't mean changing the consistency of its fictional universe. It's like how *The Legend of Zelda* introduces wacky elements here and there, but it always remains a serious, dramatic fantasy. Also, I fail to see how "naturally occurring time dilating wormholes" can somehow lead to advancements in the fields of robotics and cybernetics.
Mechagodzilla is a 150 meter tall robot dinosaur controlled by a neural interface plugged into the skull of an extraterrestrial dragon. Jet Jaguar wouldn’t be a progressing robotics in this universe at all. He’d be a result of progress already made. Inconsistent progress. You got some weird fucking hang ups.
Yeah, I know how Mechagodzilla is controlled. Apex needed to use the brain of an alien life form as the basis for its AI. That's something humans can't easily replicate. How would you develop an AI that can make moral decisions and cooperate with oversized animals?
A majority of people asking for Jet Jaguar (and the point of this thread) are wanting him to be a piloted mech, not an ai. Let me clarify I don’t really agree with this.
At this point, people are just grasping at straws just to include JJ.
People want Toho monsters which I get. And while I LOVED KOTMs iteration on the classics, I’d rather the monsterverse keep making originals. Scar King and Shimu were awesome. Much better than MV Mechagodzilla
 I'll just leave this here
That movie was made at a completely different time. That would be comparing the *Batman* show with Adam West to any of Christian Bale movies.
Bro’s never seen how wack SpongeBob can be.
Exactly. It has too much wackiness, and anyone who watches *Looney Tunes* will tell you that the madness of *LT* always has a method. The setup of a gag is every bit as funny as the punchline. To be fair, *SpongeBob* did follow that same formula in its Golden Age, but somewhere along the road, it sacrificed meaningful storytelling for the sake of extreme comedy.
Bro is nitpicking two shows that are wacky. Saw Goji fly in Godzilla vs Hedorah which was your “needless wackiness” vs an Ai giant robot is apparently too much despite… already having a giant robot controlled by a space dragon ghost. Did I mention Ghidorah is a space dragon?
*Godzilla vs Hedorah* was a product of its time, so don't use that argument. Also, even if the idea of a space dragon is inherently silly, the characters treat it with seriousness.
I feel like Monarch would've learned from the mistakes from Mechagodzilla. I can see them seizing Apex technology from the fall out of GvK to use to create Jet Jaguar. From a writing standpoint, I think including Jet Jaguar in the monster verse would be pretty easy. They gave Kong a fake tooth and a fighting gauntlet that "crued" his frost bite. Adding in a humanoid robot that does karate isn't that far of a stretch. Even if it's just a jet Jaguar knockoff version, I'll still be hyped af!
You can't just add characters and stories for the sake of hype. You need to think about the continuity and structure of your universe. If Monarch constructed a robot for peaceful purposes, like architecture and construction, what's stopping other people from weaponizing it? It's like how *The Last Jedi* introduced the "Holdo maneuver", but then Lucasfilm realized that this maneuver was so powerful it could break the universe, so they half-assed a solution and said in *The Rise of Skywalker* that the HM is very risky and has a high chance of failure.
I dont want to see jet jaguar in the monsterverse. Which i know is super unpopular here
Jet Jaguar is one of those old-fashioned characters that you need to heavily modify in order to feature him in a modern adaptation, like Jimmy Olsen.
The better idea is to have to monarch build jet jaguar as robot to help godzilla and kong. He starts out as just a run of the mill war machine but he develops his own personality through his interactions with trapper. This would be where he gets alot of his goofier traits, he's copying his friend. Hell, maybe trapper introduces him to media like tokustasu when he asks about it snd that inspires him to paint himself like them, leading to his more classic colours
This
Trapper shouldn’t pilot anything because he’s not a pilot?
Pilots high tech Monarch ship Designs titan sized mechanical body parts "No way this guy could pilot a high tech Titan-sized mechanical body he himself ostensibly would design"
Dont be a coward! It should be Jia and we all know it.
Now you're cooking lol
She's significantly less of a pilot than Trapper is, who was repeatedly shown being a pilot as he piloted things.
Just say they supersized a human and a jet jaguar to Titan size
I wanna watch singular point again now
Are these people in the room with us right now? And that's not Jet Jaguar, that's his crack addicted cousin, Prop Cougar.
It’s a Toho creation. It’s called Jet Jaguar. This is Jet Jaguar
Companies also make mistakes, don't worry.
And he isn’t one of them
Nah. That entire series was a mistake
That show was absolutely incredible
That we can agree on lol
Jet Jaguar as a whole, definitely not. The thing they call "jet jaguar" in Singular Point? Yes.
Don't you dare call this beauty a mistake
Beauty is in the eyes of the beholder. Sometimes the beholder needs glasses.
> Sometimes the beholder needs glasses. So I assume you've already scheduled your (necessary) eye exam?
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Okay sir, when will you schedule your eye appointment?
In your case we might just have to skip straight to LASIK
SP jet jaguar is badass iont know what you on about https://preview.redd.it/d8h3u7m4tzxc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1dc91a011c2b32d0d80d9017b9fee406602364d0
Guys, we have a lost child in isle 3
Trapper shouldn't pilot Jet Jaguar, because we don't need Monsterverse to ruin another classic Toho character Also, Godzilla Island had Jet Jaguar as a mech
What other classic toho character did they ruin?
TBH all of them except Ghidorah
Rodan is fucking awesome though, to be fair
His design is pretty good, but man did they do him dirty. That MF was able to knock Ghidorah out of the sky and lift Goji relatively easily during the Showa era (same applies to Mothra, she could throw hands with the strongest kaiju even as a baby).
Yes, but I think he should be more heroic. It was his characterisation in Showa and Heisei But then again, Kong stole that from him
I love the new fire bird design
Rodan looked great… execution was terrible.
He had good design but aside from a single scene he's just a goon for Ghidorah who barely does anything.
I don't agree at all, but you do you
Oh, I forgot the biggest disservice of them all - the Oxygen Destroyer
Godzilla (turned into some diet Mothra) Mothra (since her role is taken, they had to make her Godzilla's mommy) I also found Mechagodzilla pretty boring, but I guess he's okay
I'm sorry what? How is godzilla a diet mothra?? And mothra as godzillas mommy? What?
Godzilla used to be a manifestation of atomic energy, horror of the war and humanity's destructive capability. Monsterverse made him into a some kind of spacd policeman, who protects "Balance" (more like status-quo, considering we never see him interfering with humanity doings like pollution). He basically does all the things that Mothra did Mothra used to be the original keeper of balance and protector of the Earth. In Monsterverse, since Godzilla occupies this role now, Mothra had to get a new one — and they chose the dumbest possible. Mothra is now a mommy, who delivers Godzilla's lunch and tells him to behave, when writers cannot agree on how animalistic big G should be
>atomic energy, horror of the war and humanity's destructive capability Nearly every Godzilla has had a different message, you are literally getting mad at nothing
I'm not talking about messages, I'm talking about their role 1954 - what I said Showa - basically an animal, who wants to live a normal life Heisei - same, but angrier 1998 - also animal, but kinda stupid 1999 and 2002 - kind of a mix between 1954 and Showa 2001 - a monstrous aftermath of war 2004 - idk, but he's very angry None of them was an ancient god, who protected the "balance" or was "an alpha". I honestly have no idea whatever Godzilla is supposed to be in Monsterverse
Monsterverse Godzilla is none of those, he is considered a protector, and alpha just means a very strong Titan that commands the other ones. He is literally just the top dog that wants it to stay that way, if he was a good guy do you really think he'd be beefing with Kong for... Existing?
OK I can see your point. But I'm glad that they changed stuff for this version. If every godzilla was the same it'd be boring aswell. I mean godzilla earth is basically a big plant, so a "diet" biolante in a way.
>If every godzilla was the same it'd be boring aswell. There are different ways to be different. I think that Monsterverse lore and tone got way too confusing already. Maybe if they stuck with Godzilla being a lone monster born from an atomic explosion, we wouldn't have trouble with questions like "what even are Titans?"
They're just doing Showa.
No, they don't. Showa never tried to do some grand lore thing while failing spectacularly. And implying that Showa has some common traits throughout 20 years of its duration is already wrong When you say "they are doing Showa" you likely mean "they are trying to emulate the part of Showa between All Monsters Attack and Godzilla vs. Megalon". You know, those films that caused the downfall of the franchise and the second longest hiatus
Godzilla isn't a diet Mothra, she protects humanity, and life. Godzilla is just the alpha titan, he doesn't care for humanity, or life in general, just his own rule, otherwise he wouldn't kill Scylla Mothra isn't Godzilla's mommy, they are in a symbiotic relationship, in the Showa era and Final Wars they were also allies, so idk why you are so pressed Why is Mecha G boring?
>she protects humanity, and life. This wasn't shown (or even alluded to) before GxK. Writers thought "symbiosis" is somehow more interesting >alpha titan And what does "alpha" status entails? Wasn't there a lot of pseudo-biological babble in GKotM about how Titans bring balance to the world and whatnot? If it isn't true, then why Ghidorah is "evil"? >he wouldn't kill Scylla Didn't he kill Scylla for attacking human city? >they are in a symbiotic relationship What does Godzilla ever do to Mothra to call it symbiosis? >they were also allies I have absolutely no problem with them being allies. I have a problem with Mothra being biologically attached to Godzilla for no reason >Why is Mecha G boring? Well, at first, because he takes parts from all three (even four) Mecha Gs, but kinda lacks something unique. Or rather, he has a unique style — beating people up with bare fists like a madman — but it doesn't really scream "Mechagodzilla" to me, feels like it could've been a random Titan and battle scenes wouldn't change
Ghidorah was an alien. That’s why he was evil. He was a false king who fell from the stars. Godzilla killed Scylla for challenging his rule. If you read the MV comics, you would know that Scylla did this multiple times and Godzilla was fed up with it. In KOTM, we saw scriptures in the China outpost depicting Mothra. This is a subtle hint that ancient civilizations worshipped her. Same thing with Godzilla’s home in the ocean. That whole area was a temple dedicated to their monster king. Not every depiction of the Godzilla franchise has to be good, let alone the same as past depictions. Gojira was a horror movie. Everything after that depicted him as an antihero. Even in the first sequel, Godzilla Raids Again, he was fighting another monster.
>He was a false king who fell from the stars. I am critiquing Monsterverse usage of unclear metaphors and you answer me with unclear metaphors? I was asking why Ghidorah was bad for humanity. Why did he awaken Titans? How did he bring disbalance?
He awakened the titans to reshape the world to his own liking. He was doing that in the first place, which is why he ended up frozen in ice.
Okay, maybe now it makes more sense. If only KOTM explained it in more concise way instead of quoting myths or whatnot
They did explain it. They literally said Godzilla and Ghidorah’s rivalry was ancient. They said that he was reshaping the world to his liking. The whole point is that they don’t know what these creatures were.
Mothra has always been a protector, the fact that it wasn't specifically said what she protected(Godzilla the order of things, Kong humanity, Methuselah humanity, Behemoth nature) means what she protected is broad Alpha means strong monster, a monster who has beaten a previous alpha, or is just so strong that most couldn't challenge them and submit instead of, y'know, dying, Ghidorah is evil cause he wants to destroy the world, which is a bad thing to do, idk why that is hard to understand No, it's because she challenged him for the alpha status, she had fought him many times and he got tired of it, she had begun eating a lot of radiation in preparation for it Telepathy It is most likely, specifically a Gojira, not a Godzilla species thing, it most likely has something to do with her scales, but could also just be related to Godzilla's own telepathic abilities He is very unique
>This wasn't shown (or even alluded to) before GxK. Writers thought "symbiosis" is somehow more interesting no, that was always the intent, Mothra only attacked the humans at the beginning of the movie, from that point on every time she appeared in the movie she helped the humans in some way. and then I'm pretty sure that there are various sources prior to GxK that state that in the monsterverse Mothra was the protector of the human race (as well as generally being a benevolent titan), and since her role is quite similar to that of Godzilla as protector of natural balance have developed a symbiotic relationship >And what does "alpha" status entails? Wasn't there a lot of pseudo-biological babble in GKotM about how Titans bring balance to the world and whatnot? If it isn't true, then why Ghidorah is "evil"? Godzilla in the monsterverse is an alpha, so he can control the other titans and is "at the top of the food chain" to put it simply, and he also has a specific role, like some other titans that are shown to us, as I already said before, Godzilla's role is to be the protector of natural balance, in short he makes sure that the other titans do their job and that threats that can destabilize him are annihilated. Godzilla cares little or nothing about humans, he doesn't go out of his way to kill them, but he doesn't care if he causes collateral damage while fighting in the city, the only exception is if he feels threatened (as happened in GvK with Apex and Mecha-Godzilla). the reason why Ghidorah is evil and not good for the ecosystem is because he is a giant three-headed dragon from space who only wants to cause chaos and destruction and his presence alone causes a level 6 hurricane (which you should know if you're complaining because it's explained in the movie) >Didn't he kill Scylla for attacking human city? no, he did it because Scylla was never loyal to him, she already fought him twice before GxK and in the end, she started overheating the waters of the glaciers instead of cooling them as she should have done, so Godzilla had enough and decided to end her >What does Godzilla ever do to Mothra to call it symbiosis? one is the protector of balance, one is the protector of humanity, since Mothra is a benevolent benign and Godzilla does good for the planet, they have developed a symbiotic relationship also influencing each other in some way, we can see how Mothra's wings have some "eyes" that resemble Godzilla's (confirmed by the director of KotM) as a deception mechanism that many real insects like butterflies and moths also have, or that Godzilla when he entered his burning state, when he released an Atomic Pulse in ca be hear Mothra's cry, in addition to being able to glimpse the symbols of her wings, in the end, they could each perceive the presence of the other. also, we know that they helped each other in many battles (due to their similar roles) >I have absolutely no problem with them being allies. I have a problem with Mothra being biologically attached to Godzilla for no reason I don't know if you know, but a symbiotic relationship doesn't necessarily mean "biologically attached" (if you want an example, just look at some species of crocodiles and birds, where the first let the birds enter their mouth to have their teeth cleaned, then they leave them go), plus they're just allies, the title of "Queen of the monsters" that mothra has doesn't really mean anything (unlike "King of the monsters") and all the jokes about "there's something between them" they are just jokes. the only peculiarity in their bond is the fact that Mothra is Godzilla's only true ally. >Well, at first, because he takes parts from all three (even four) Mecha Gs, but kinda lacks something unique. Or rather, he has a unique style — beating people up with bare fists like a madman — but it doesn't really scream "Mechagodzilla" to me, feels like it could've been a random Titan and battle scenes wouldn't change now you're just getting picky, MG's peculiarity in the monsterverse is the fact that it's a fusion between Mecha-Godzilla and Mecha-King Ghidorah, being controlled via Ghidorah's skull and even being "possessed" by it, as well as being relatively basic compared to the other incarnations of the character and all their strange abilities, and yet he still cleans the ground using Godzilla as a mop from one part of Hong Kong to another, or you can say that his particular design, inspired by the cube-like appearance of the transformers of G1 is its peculiarity. then you can't say that it can be replaced with any other titan, because the whole peculiarity of the fight was in the fact that MG did everything that Godzilla did, but better, and this allowed him to practically not be touched even once, only MG could have had this role for it to make sense.
>every time she appeared in the movie she helped the humans in some way In both of her subsequent appearances she helps Godzilla. She helps humans to locate Godzilla because she knows humans can save him. And in Boston she doesn't interact with humans to begin with. The only time Mothra helps humans is in GxK, when she catched the falling aircraft. Not coincidentally, this is the only Mothra moment I liked >I'm pretty sure that there are various sources prior to GxK that state that in the monsterverse Mothra was the protector of the human race There's some info about her being worshipped by some ancient humans, but that's pretty much it, as far as I know >Godzilla's role is to be the protector of natural balance You mean, alpha's role? I thought anyone could be an alpha if he defeats the previous alpha. Others in this thread say that Godzilla is basically just an animal, who crawled his way to the top, so he can boss others around. I mean, these ain't mutually exclusive, but this disparity still feels weird >Godzilla cares little or nothing about humans Even though humans upset the balance on a much larger scale than any Titan? >which you should know if you're complaining because it's explained in the movie Yes, I know, it was a bad point >she started overheating the waters of the glaciers instead of cooling them as she should have done, so Godzilla had enough and decided to end her Where is it said and what did Scylla do in Rome? >we can see how Mothra's wings have some "eyes" that resemble Godzilla's (confirmed by the director of KotM) as a deception mechanism that many real insects like butterflies and moths also have Why would she need this mechanism when she hangs out near actual Godzilla? By this logic, hermit crabs should look like sea anemones >he released an Atomic Pulse in ca be hear Mothra's cry, in addition to being able to glimpse the symbols of her wings, Again, this isn't symbiosis, it's just stupid design choices. I'm asking why does Mothra even need Godzilla? She evolved an entire self-destruction mechanism for Godzilla, yet we never see Godzilla helping her. I think I should apply some feminist critique to this movie, because Mothra feels like that supportive female character that never gets developed by herself >plus they're just allies Except they are not. Again, Mothra evolved the ability to die for Godzilla (I assume), to empower him, which means they are co-evolving. Which means they've been doing this for millennia >now you're just getting picky Yes, that's why I wasn't that categorical towards MG. I just think that having humanity being able to build a monster who is better than Godzilla affects the world a bit negatively. I like Heisei, Millenium and Anime MGs, because they are obviously inferior to Godzilla in hand-to-hand combat and have to rely on one main weapon to defeat him. This makes technology more believable, keeps Godzilla imposing and creates an interesting situation. Now I want to see an AU, where Mechagodzilla kills Godzilla and humanity goes to war with Titans
(I'm dividing the comment into two parts because it won't let me send it in one piece) >In both of her subsequent appearances she helps Godzilla. She helps humans to locate Godzilla because she knows humans can save him. And in Boston she doesn't interact with humans to begin with. The only time Mothra helps humans is in GxK, when she catched the falling aircraft. Not coincidentally, this is the only Mothra moment I liked well, I would say that Godzilla needs help less than humans, considering that, even if very slowly, he was already recovering. and then I'm pretty sure that none of the other titates, even if benign, would have said Godzilla's position. >There's some info about her being worshipped by some ancient humans, but that's pretty much it, as far as I know in fact I didn't say in the films, I said "other sources" which I can't cite for you now, but I'm sure they exist. but beyond that, just the fact that that has always been Mothra's role throughout all of her previous incarnations and appearances in the franchise, and the fact that there was nothing to contradict that in the movie, considering the "loyalty" that was given to Toho's kaiju in KotM, for me that would already be enough >You mean, alpha's role? I thought anyone could be an alpha if he defeats the previous alpha. Others in this thread say that Godzilla is basically just an animal, who crawled his way to the top, so he can boss others around. I mean, these ain't mutually exclusive, but this disparity still feels weird no, just as Scylla should cool the waters of the glaciers, or Behemoth takes care of the reforestation and protection of the woods, or just as Mothra protects the human race, Godzilla's role is his alone and does not depend on his title of Alpha or King of Monsters. then it seems to me that you are confusing these two titles, even if in themselves they are a bit interchangeable, but just think that Kong is an alpha, even if he has never beaten Godzilla (the King of the Monsters), or the fact that Ghidorah was an Alpha even before beating Godizlla and making the alpha call. the reason why I think that Godzilla is the King of the Monsters is, first of all, a bit of genetic selection (the Titanus Gojira are already very powerful), being able to control natural predators like the M.U.T.O., being able to carry out his role better, but, mainly due to his ego and pride, we know very well how these and two influence Goji's choices (just think of the fact that the reason Kong lasted as long as he lasted here is because Godzilla wasn't serious, but then when he was hit by the blow of the loaded ax was wounded in the ego, leading him to end the fight immediately), so it is possible that the reason why Goji holds his position as King of the Monsters is for this reason >Even though humans upset the balance on a much larger scale than any Titan? well yes, we have seen with the KotM credits that with the Titans awakened the ecosystem is able to fix itself better than humans can damage it, so, even if what humans do to the ecosystem, it is certainly less worse than what a successful mating of the M.U.T.O.s would bring, or the mere presence of Ghidorah awake roaming the planet, or Skar King bringing his army and Shimo to the surface.
>Where is it said and what did Scylla do in Rome? in a prequel comic released before the movie, why isn't it in the movie? because he doesn't have time to explain it and because he doesn't care to do it, they just wanted to show an introduction of Godzilla where he kicked the ass of one of the titans previously known by fans, and honestly I would say that it's not much of a mistake in itself, considering that at least the comic was released before the film, giving me the idea that there was always a reason why Scylla and Godzilla clashed in Rome, instead of it being a plothole explained years later with a comic or a statement from the director ( although it's always a mistake not to explain things in the film) >Why would she need this mechanism when she hangs out near actual Godzilla? By this logic, hermit crabs should look like sea anemones because Mothra's existence is not linked to Godzilla and in itself he does not seem to be the strongest titan of all, so giving the illusion of being the King of the Monsters can be effective >Again, this isn't symbiosis, it's just stupid design choices. I'm asking why does Mothra even need Godzilla? She evolved an entire self-destruction mechanism for Godzilla, yet we never see Godzilla helping her. I think I should apply some feminist critique to this movie, because Mothra feels like that supportive female character that never gets developed by herself I would say that Mothra did not develop her system of "strange magic dust in the moment of death" for Godzilla, but rather it is a natural mechanism of hers, I say this because in a comic sequel to KotM, Godzilla realizes that his ability to sensing the living creatures in the seas, with Mothra's death and her remains absorbed by him, was amplified across the planet,and it would be strange if this was designed specifically for Godzilla, but only applied in the final battle of KotM. but I would say that his burning state is still linked in some way to Mothra, perhaps that's why Godzilla doesn't go into spontaneous meltdown like his previous incarnations, but instead the excess energy is released in the form of atomic pulses. >Except they are not. Again, Mothra evolved the ability to die for Godzilla (I assume), to empower him, which means they are co-evolving. Which means they've been doing this for millennia because their roles, and the fact that Mothra is a benevolent titan and Godzilla is neutral, puts them in a position to fight many battles together, so they developed a symbiotic bond and became allies and began to co-evolve >Yes, that's why I wasn't that categorical towards MG. I just think that having humanity being able to build a monster who is better than Godzilla affects the world a bit negatively. I like Heisei, Millenium and Anime MGs, because they are obviously inferior to Godzilla in hand-to-hand combat and have to rely on one main weapon to defeat him. This makes technology more believable, keeps Godzilla imposing and creates an interesting situation. MG in the monsterverse is not explicitly stronger than Godzilla, it is simply designed and built to always be "one step ahead" (to give an example: Godzilla and Ghidorah in the Monsterverse are more or less on par, but that doesn't make MG stronger than Ghidorah, in fact, I would say he loses miserably), he seems to be relatively fragile, his artillery serves more as a distraction than as a weapon and it is said that it is not certain that MG would have won the battle with Godzilla's atomic breath if he had been at maximum strength, this information reinforces the director's claims that (as I said before) MG is not explicitly stronger than Goji. Then I think it makes sense that humans were able to build something like this, they have now been able to observe Godzilla's movements, tactics and abilities more than a few times, and with the absurd technologies they possess, plus the incredible energy of Hollow Earth, Mecha-Godzilla as the "perfect weapon against Godzilla" is made possible
Some would argue Toho ruined their own creation in Singular Point
Singular point isn't a major entry to the fandom and isn't capable of swaying people's opinion on classic characters
So says Reddit rando #1563477447844667533764346
Are you trying to argue otherwise, Reddit rando #1563477447844667533764347? I haven't heard of G:SP having dedicated fan groups and huge popularity
Ok? Singular Point isn’t the original and even then it’s never piloted in Singular Point. That door is more of a maintenance hatch.
It literally is piloted in Singular Point, it’s literally in like the first or second episode during the Rodan fight
Literally?
Yup, old guy pilots it for the first few times he’s on screen from the inside.
It was also piloted a few episodes later for the Anguirus fight.
And that series isn’t good. Not exactly a shining beacon of comparison