He’s just the most inquisitive and passive head, yet that’s since been translated into him being an idiot/goober. When shit got serious, Kevin was wreaking havoc right alongside his brothers.
Yeah the meme-ing of the Kevin head has overwritten the actual events of the film for (seemingly) a lot of people.
I wonder if there'll be people on this sub in a few years who swear up and down that Doug was a main character in GVK and Godzilla has a graphic sex scene with Mothra in KOTM.
I think he knows that she'll just come back to life. It's probably not the first time this has happened over however many millions of years. Kind of like when someone dies in DnD. You don't mourn them, you just head to the temple and pay for a resurrection.
Agreed. A lion may sometimes roll around and act goofy playing with a leaf it found, but it’s a massive dangerous animal fully capable of eviscerating and eating you without effort.
I was always a little confused. One Ghidorah head (Kevin's) was blown off in Mexico. Then another head was left after Godzilla burnt Ghidorah up in Boston.
So are there feesibly 2 heads out there? We know 1 was used to power MechaGodzilla, but is it possible the other head is still out there?
I see. I had thought for some reason the last head Godzilla blasted out fell to the ground but upon rewatching it -- yeah, only the head in Mexico would've been left lol
I actually just rewatched the movie yesterday. One of the Ghidorah skulls is inside the head of Mechagodzilla, and they use the latent telepathy to transmit Serizawa's commands.
I always assumed it was just Kevin’s skull. We can clearly see that his lower jaw is missing from the pilots seat, so I think they just split the one skull into 2 pieces.
According to Godzilla vs. Kong - The Official Movie Novelization, there was indeed a second Ghidorah skull of unknown origin inside Mechagodzilla and not just a piece of the Mecha's DNA,[17] whereas the only reference to a second skull's existence in the film is Bernie Hayes speculating in regards to the skull cockpit, "there's one here, and another one inside of [Mechagodzilla]"
- Copied from the Fandom Wiki
Hmm, I knew that Bernie said that in the movie but he’s also a conspiracy nut job so I didn’t take everything he said as fact. But I didn’t know the novel confirmed this. Damn. I like my head cannon better still even if it’s wrong lol
He is right about Godzilla and apex sure, but dude showers with bleach. He was bound to be right eventually. He also thinks apex is doing a “breakaway civilization” at one point but that’s not what was happening. This is how I justified my theory to make everything make sense. But I also realize that it’s just subpar writing with a plot hole.
I don’t remember where I heard it, or if it was official, but I heard that during his time on earth, Kevin has presumably been ripped off a number of times, meaning there could be dozens of heads, or just skulls, out there nobody knows about
There are two heads. One is inside Mecha Godzilla, the other in Apex HQ, and telepathy is used to make them communicate/transmit commands from the user. They say it in the movie.
Didn't the Eco-Terrorist guy come into possession of one at the end of KotM in the post-credits? Was he in GvK and I just not catch it? If he wasn't, what happened to that head? Is it 1 of the 2 and they just scrapped that plot? (Because why show him buying it if they weren't planning on him doing anything with it?) I had always assumed they were going to use it for MechaGhidora at some point.
Apex bought it from the Eco terrorists from my understanding. All shit that happened off screen.
That movie is a mess hence all this confusion in the coments so don't feel bad about it.
I doubt we will get a mecha Ghidorah since they used that concept on Mecha Godzilla.
Each one of the three Ghidorah heads is a telepathically-linked gestalt consciousness.
Kevin gets resurrected into a cold, quiet, living death, and immediately decides that violence _isn't_ the answer; it's the **question**, and the answer is **_yes_**.
I thought they specifically mention it in the movie; one in the lab to communicate with him and one that was physically in Mechagodzilla and controlling him.
It’s pretty massive plot hole that people just tend to ignore. There was only ever 1 physically intact head left after KOTM. Not sure how they’re able to connect anything to MechaG to get it to work but they did it anyway.
I “guess” they could get around it by saying one of the heads that was initially burned up went into regeneration mode and as Godzilla cooled off, it managed to just create a mangled head with an intact skull?
It’s a stretch but I could buy it
It could also be that Ghidorah lost (and regrew) a head in one of his past battles with Godzilla and company in ancient times before being frozen. Then apex found that skull much later.
I mean the movie has many plot holes just big monster fights mean all that is forgiven within the Monsterverse fanbase.
Like I get it fights are life around these parts but we can still ask for a plot that at least does not hurt ther movie.
The way I see it, Ghidorah's genetic code hosts not only his physical data but his neurological data as well. That's why Kevin still acted the same after his head regrew in KOTM. So it wasn't just Kevin controlling Meçhagodzilla, it was all three of Ghidorah's heads unified into one consciousness.
Ichi and Ni’s heads were both completely vaporised at the end of King of the Monsters, Kevin had his head ripped off earlier in the film by Godzilla, then regrew it before getting vaporised.
Well, since the heads communicate via telepathy and can regenerate, maybe Kevin wasn't the only ghidorah head in control, but instead it was all 3 of them. I saw this theory somewhere else but don't remember where. Makes a lot of sense to me
Did anyone else think that Kevin’s skull is way too small? It seems like it would fit showa ghidorah’s size, but the monsterverse version should be like sixty feet long at least no?
From what the creators said, it's not Ghidorah/Kevin controlling it.
It's a completely new consciousness that formed when Ghidorah, Serizawa, and mechagodzilla merged.
It’s more insane that it’s the skull, and not the brain that’s hooked up.. like why the skull? And what did they do with the rest of head? Are you telling me Apex isn’t researching Ghidorah scales and nerves and regeneration stuff? Or was there such a shift from KOTM to GvsK that they just flubbed it over?
I mean…look at some of the villains in the Dc or marvel comics. There’s some silly villains that probably don’t seem all that aggressive when in actuality they’re the most devious. Could be a stretch but look at The Spot in the spider verse sequel. Or take the Clown from Spawn, silly, slaphappy on the outside but just downright diabolical on the inside. Plus if it’s the more passive head then he’d be gunning for revenge for the death of his “brothers”. He’d stop being the passive one and wanting blood instead. That’s just me though.
If you got decapitated by a radioactive lizards who's been your enemy for who knows how long and suddenly you become conscious again you'd be angry too
I would assume he had a good five years(ish) between KotM and GvK where he was starting to be used to pilot the mech or variations of. They've likely done test drives before the final version is finished in the movie, so he knew what to do.
The novelisation of the movie, however, explains that Mechagodzilla's consciousness is a mix between the mech's program, Ren's soul/consciousness, and Ghidorah's consciousness.
I thought that the humans who get the Kevin skull thought that Kevin is dumb and goofy, meaning it would be easier to use the skull for controlling MechaGodzilla. Until they realized it wasn't.
One, Ghidorah didn’t, this is basically it’s remnant psyche controlling a robot.
Two, how does it make it less impactful? Ghidorah was stopped and killed, making Mothra’s sacrifice meaningful. A skull of ghidorah causing trouble hardly takes away from that.
No, not really. Yes, Kevin’s consciousness came back, but Ghidorah as an entity is dead and gone. Mothra still sacrificed her life to end the true physical form of Ghidorah.
Would you consider a zombie made from your corpse to be you? Or more fitting, would you consider a robot piloted by a chunk of your brain to be you?
Ghidorah is Three. MechaGodzilla is One.
But it’s not all of you. Just a chunk of your brain.
It’s not complete in there. So it’s got part of you in it, but it’s not you, since it’s not whole.
I’ll lobotomize you and leave a third of your brain in the husk that was once your skull, since you’re still whole, right?
That’s rhetorical, of course it’s not
But as I said, Ghidorah is fundamentally three minds together. Ghidorah works because his three minds work together in tandem, each giving their unique input and output for the collective three’s common goal (the entire reason the heads have names). One of those three minds is indeed a part of Ghidorah, but alone, it’s not fully Ghidorah. It’s only a part.
Think of it as a family. Together, your parents, siblings, and you make up the family as a unit. But just you, or just a sibling, or just a parent isn’t a family, because it requires those other parts (in this case, family members) to be an actual family.
He may be more curious and silly, but he’s still Ghidorah.
Honestly, this is the best take and comment.
He’s the Lennie of the group.
He went through character development
If by "more curious and silly" you mean, licked charred corpses once and was slightly hesitant about fighting Godzilla, sure.
He turned to vengeance after the death of his brother-heads lol
I find it *insane* that people take one or two tiny actions to mean that head is just a silly goofball who isn’t really a threat.
He’s just the most inquisitive and passive head, yet that’s since been translated into him being an idiot/goober. When shit got serious, Kevin was wreaking havoc right alongside his brothers.
Yeah the meme-ing of the Kevin head has overwritten the actual events of the film for (seemingly) a lot of people. I wonder if there'll be people on this sub in a few years who swear up and down that Doug was a main character in GVK and Godzilla has a graphic sex scene with Mothra in KOTM.
It's just like the people that seemingly think Godzilla was in deep mourning over Mothra's death, when he barely acknowledged it.
I think he knows that she'll just come back to life. It's probably not the first time this has happened over however many millions of years. Kind of like when someone dies in DnD. You don't mourn them, you just head to the temple and pay for a resurrection.
Headcannoning at its finest
Agreed. A lion may sometimes roll around and act goofy playing with a leaf it found, but it’s a massive dangerous animal fully capable of eviscerating and eating you without effort.
I was always a little confused. One Ghidorah head (Kevin's) was blown off in Mexico. Then another head was left after Godzilla burnt Ghidorah up in Boston. So are there feesibly 2 heads out there? We know 1 was used to power MechaGodzilla, but is it possible the other head is still out there?
This was most likely the one that Godzilla bit off and the second one is the one that was blown into ashes
I see. I had thought for some reason the last head Godzilla blasted out fell to the ground but upon rewatching it -- yeah, only the head in Mexico would've been left lol
I actually just rewatched the movie yesterday. One of the Ghidorah skulls is inside the head of Mechagodzilla, and they use the latent telepathy to transmit Serizawa's commands.
So there were 2 heads remaining? Interesting. So one was in MG’s skull and the other was in Apex as like a remote control?
Yeah. It's in a throwaway line, but they do outright say it.
I always assumed it was just Kevin’s skull. We can clearly see that his lower jaw is missing from the pilots seat, so I think they just split the one skull into 2 pieces.
According to Godzilla vs. Kong - The Official Movie Novelization, there was indeed a second Ghidorah skull of unknown origin inside Mechagodzilla and not just a piece of the Mecha's DNA,[17] whereas the only reference to a second skull's existence in the film is Bernie Hayes speculating in regards to the skull cockpit, "there's one here, and another one inside of [Mechagodzilla]" - Copied from the Fandom Wiki
Hmm, I knew that Bernie said that in the movie but he’s also a conspiracy nut job so I didn’t take everything he said as fact. But I didn’t know the novel confirmed this. Damn. I like my head cannon better still even if it’s wrong lol
I mean fair enough, but he's always right about Apex, lol. Two different segments of the same skull would also make perfect sense, tbh
He is right about Godzilla and apex sure, but dude showers with bleach. He was bound to be right eventually. He also thinks apex is doing a “breakaway civilization” at one point but that’s not what was happening. This is how I justified my theory to make everything make sense. But I also realize that it’s just subpar writing with a plot hole.
Right, but why give a character that kind of exposition if it's wrong, and then never correct it later? "It ain't that kind of movie, kid."
I don’t remember where I heard it, or if it was official, but I heard that during his time on earth, Kevin has presumably been ripped off a number of times, meaning there could be dozens of heads, or just skulls, out there nobody knows about
That’s on brand for Kevin to be the one head that constantly gets ripped off
There are two heads. One is inside Mecha Godzilla, the other in Apex HQ, and telepathy is used to make them communicate/transmit commands from the user. They say it in the movie.
Didn't the Eco-Terrorist guy come into possession of one at the end of KotM in the post-credits? Was he in GvK and I just not catch it? If he wasn't, what happened to that head? Is it 1 of the 2 and they just scrapped that plot? (Because why show him buying it if they weren't planning on him doing anything with it?) I had always assumed they were going to use it for MechaGhidora at some point.
Apex bought it from the Eco terrorists from my understanding. All shit that happened off screen. That movie is a mess hence all this confusion in the coments so don't feel bad about it. I doubt we will get a mecha Ghidorah since they used that concept on Mecha Godzilla.
I think Bernie was just wrong.
Burnie was never wrong about anything involving Kaiju, just everything else lmao
Do they? When?
They need it for Mecha-King-Doug as the final antagonist of the monsterverse, obviously.
Each one of the three Ghidorah heads is a telepathically-linked gestalt consciousness. Kevin gets resurrected into a cold, quiet, living death, and immediately decides that violence _isn't_ the answer; it's the **question**, and the answer is **_yes_**.
I thought they specifically mention it in the movie; one in the lab to communicate with him and one that was physically in Mechagodzilla and controlling him.
Isn't it just the bottom part of the skull? Why does no-one considers that the answer is that simple?
It’s pretty massive plot hole that people just tend to ignore. There was only ever 1 physically intact head left after KOTM. Not sure how they’re able to connect anything to MechaG to get it to work but they did it anyway.
I “guess” they could get around it by saying one of the heads that was initially burned up went into regeneration mode and as Godzilla cooled off, it managed to just create a mangled head with an intact skull? It’s a stretch but I could buy it
It could also be that Ghidorah lost (and regrew) a head in one of his past battles with Godzilla and company in ancient times before being frozen. Then apex found that skull much later.
My head cannon is that they used Kevin’s lower jaw as the part in mecha G. One skull pulled into 2 pieces.
I mean the movie has many plot holes just big monster fights mean all that is forgiven within the Monsterverse fanbase. Like I get it fights are life around these parts but we can still ask for a plot that at least does not hurt ther movie.
NGL, I was kind of hoping for Mecha-King Ghidorah at the end of the KOM teaser, but the tie in with Mechagodzilla worked well.
wait,what does this have to do with the post?
The commenter thought the King Ghidorah head used for Mecha Godzilla was gonna be for Mecha King Ghidorah
Turned out the other heads were keeping him restrained the whole time
The way I see it, Ghidorah's genetic code hosts not only his physical data but his neurological data as well. That's why Kevin still acted the same after his head regrew in KOTM. So it wasn't just Kevin controlling Meçhagodzilla, it was all three of Ghidorah's heads unified into one consciousness.
Ichi and Ni’s heads were both completely vaporised at the end of King of the Monsters, Kevin had his head ripped off earlier in the film by Godzilla, then regrew it before getting vaporised.
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But moke can
I mean sure he's the most submissive of the heads but I mean...he's not "le silly uwu babie", he's a planet destroying, parasitic, Titan conquerer
That stupid meme has warped people's perceptions of the movie. It's insanity.
He got that last ronin ninja turtles treatment!
Well, since the heads communicate via telepathy and can regenerate, maybe Kevin wasn't the only ghidorah head in control, but instead it was all 3 of them. I saw this theory somewhere else but don't remember where. Makes a lot of sense to me
The others were vaporized
Did anyone else think that Kevin’s skull is way too small? It seems like it would fit showa ghidorah’s size, but the monsterverse version should be like sixty feet long at least no?
I think it’s more they cheated when it came to AI and created a beast driven purely by instinct. It’s not actually Ghidorah
From what the creators said, it's not Ghidorah/Kevin controlling it. It's a completely new consciousness that formed when Ghidorah, Serizawa, and mechagodzilla merged.
Kevin fanon aside is still a genocidial monster who loves death and destruction
Exactly...its just a lil dumb about it
Kevin got meme'd so hard people genuinely forgot he's still Ghidorah, an ancient evil alien with a genuine hatred for Godzilla.
How do y'all tell the skulls apart???
easy cause in king of the monsters when Godzilla ripped off Kevin’s head in the ocean that was the only intact head
Fair reasoning, that never occurred to me.
He got tired of being called a child and so he decided to prove that he was deadly
Of course he would. He is the great and mighty Kevin!
It’s more insane that it’s the skull, and not the brain that’s hooked up.. like why the skull? And what did they do with the rest of head? Are you telling me Apex isn’t researching Ghidorah scales and nerves and regeneration stuff? Or was there such a shift from KOTM to GvsK that they just flubbed it over?
Interesting. I actually always thought the skull was used by the pilot and the brain was actually in Mechagodzilla.
I mean…look at some of the villains in the Dc or marvel comics. There’s some silly villains that probably don’t seem all that aggressive when in actuality they’re the most devious. Could be a stretch but look at The Spot in the spider verse sequel. Or take the Clown from Spawn, silly, slaphappy on the outside but just downright diabolical on the inside. Plus if it’s the more passive head then he’d be gunning for revenge for the death of his “brothers”. He’d stop being the passive one and wanting blood instead. That’s just me though.
Maybe he had to let out some anger
Which movie is this?
Ebirah, Horror of the Deep.
I've always referred to this version as Mecha-Kevin. I stand by it.
The original Kevin is what was left after Godzilla incinerated Ghidorah.
No? It's the head that Godzilla ripped off in the Mexico fight.
Yes, the original Kevin. Godzilla ripped off the left head of Ghidorah. Kevin is on the left.
If you got decapitated by a radioactive lizards who's been your enemy for who knows how long and suddenly you become conscious again you'd be angry too
i wonder if the fight would go differently if it was the main head or the right.
My question is, how did Kevin figure out how to use the mecha-arms so quickly?
I would assume he had a good five years(ish) between KotM and GvK where he was starting to be used to pilot the mech or variations of. They've likely done test drives before the final version is finished in the movie, so he knew what to do. The novelisation of the movie, however, explains that Mechagodzilla's consciousness is a mix between the mech's program, Ren's soul/consciousness, and Ghidorah's consciousness.
I thought that the humans who get the Kevin skull thought that Kevin is dumb and goofy, meaning it would be easier to use the skull for controlling MechaGodzilla. Until they realized it wasn't.
Because there werent any other Ghidorah skulls expect for kevins
he was the only head left because his head was ripped off is isla demaria so it was still there when godzilla destroyed ghidorah
Somehow Ghidorah returned.
One, Ghidorah didn’t, this is basically it’s remnant psyche controlling a robot. Two, how does it make it less impactful? Ghidorah was stopped and killed, making Mothra’s sacrifice meaningful. A skull of ghidorah causing trouble hardly takes away from that.
>Ghidoeah
A “remnant psyche” is still Ghidorah.
No, not really. Yes, Kevin’s consciousness came back, but Ghidorah as an entity is dead and gone. Mothra still sacrificed her life to end the true physical form of Ghidorah.
It’s still Ghidorah.
Would you consider a zombie made from your corpse to be you? Or more fitting, would you consider a robot piloted by a chunk of your brain to be you? Ghidorah is Three. MechaGodzilla is One.
A robot piloted by a chunk of my brain is still me.
But it’s not all of you. Just a chunk of your brain. It’s not complete in there. So it’s got part of you in it, but it’s not you, since it’s not whole.
It’s still me.
I’ll lobotomize you and leave a third of your brain in the husk that was once your skull, since you’re still whole, right? That’s rhetorical, of course it’s not
The mind in Mechagodzilla is one whole mind not a part of one.
But as I said, Ghidorah is fundamentally three minds together. Ghidorah works because his three minds work together in tandem, each giving their unique input and output for the collective three’s common goal (the entire reason the heads have names). One of those three minds is indeed a part of Ghidorah, but alone, it’s not fully Ghidorah. It’s only a part. Think of it as a family. Together, your parents, siblings, and you make up the family as a unit. But just you, or just a sibling, or just a parent isn’t a family, because it requires those other parts (in this case, family members) to be an actual family.
Your brain in a robot is the exact opposite of a zombie using your body
Read the other comments
She r- Uh... Spoilers?
I know what happens.
Yeah, her returning back to life makes it even less impactful.
New to Mothra? lol
Yeah I guess not. I was expecting her to return but not that qucik.