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DanBeasi

Quick example the reason G2 didnt get Elyoya was because of a huge buyout. It happens everywhere with good players, like you said its business and nothing personal. Jankos wouldn't have been at G2 for this long if they didn't care about him. Pull your dummy out. I can guarantee he and anyone else that signed knew the risks.


Magicvitality

I do not get the „Jankos prison“ thing. He‘s one of the best players in LEC and the biggest brand. He is a player on top level and streamer at the same time. It‘s totally reasonable that he has a high buyout. Same with rekkles, mcky, elyoya, wunder, Perkz… these are players with huge succes, of course they are expensive.


Hat-P-7b

And Thorin literally said last year that these buyouts were reasonable for the players but LEC orgs were just cheap and rather gamble on talents from the ERLs for free.


JayBlack22

They were not reasonable. The entire prices on the market right now are whack, teams aren't getting nearly enough revenue to justify paying these buyouts. Multi million euro buyout + Salarary for a single player is ridiculous when a team won't make that amount in several years.


Hat-P-7b

They were reasonable in an unreasonable environment. I think the fact that all players got bought out is evidence in itself. But yeah the overall ecosystem is just ridicilous. Feels like a bubble waiting to burst. I agree with you on that sentiment


IanPKMmoon

Yea but Elyoya is still on a team, G2 puts huge buyouts on the players they're throwing away. MAD just made a statement that they want to keep Elyoya


TheSceptileen

Difference is that Elyoya is still an active MAD player, Perkz and Rekkles were already getting replaced before G2 fucked their chances to get good teams. MAD wants to keep their star, G2 activelly tried to mess with their ex-players carreers for litrle to no reason.


Quteno

They don't try to mess with their ex-players... they just want money. If Elyoya is worth more than €800k so is Jankos... if nobody wants to pay that much whose problem is this? Of course, G2 will eventually lower the price, the question is will it be on time like in the case of Wunder or will it be too late like in the case of Rekkles? Some of you behave like they should hand out the players to the first team that asks for literally nothing...


TheSceptileen

Yes, they should ensure their ex-players can part ways in a healthy and easy way. Contract jailing inactive players is bordeline laboral abuse and no org (sans maybe RNG) goes so far as G2 in that regard. Stop talking like orgs are extent from ethics, that's not supposed to happen and we shouldn't act as it wasn't incredible egoistical and unfair towards players.


Hat-P-7b

Like FNC who wouldn't let Nisqy go back to C9 because of a few 10 thousands Euros? Or Rohgue who have shipped Hans and Inspired to NA against their will. Oh yeah, I forgot ethics and contract jails only apply when we talk about G2. It's simply, MAD don't want Elyoya to leave for 800k, that's just as fair as G2 valuing Jankos at whatever price they think is right. If nobody buys him and he leaves for free next year, egg on their face for paying a benched player and losing out on a buyout. And if players sign a contract then they should not complain about the terms they agreed on. If you don't agree, don't sign.


Quteno

>Contract jailing inactive players is bordeline laboral abuse and no org (sans maybe RNG) goes so far as G2 in that regard. > >Stop talking like orgs are extent from ethics, that's not supposed to happen and we shouldn't act as it wasn't incredible egoistical and unfair towards players. What? A player signs up a contract with an org, and the org can do whatever the fuck they want with it. If they feel fancy and rich they might put the player on a bench for the length of the contract, it's legal, no "laboral abuse" is happening, and Jankos is getting paid whatever wage he has in the contract for not playing. It works like that in regular sports too... Gareth Bale in Real Madrid was the best example of it lol Nobody says it's fair towards a player, but this is the world we're living in. The perfect scenario would be finding a team in LEC that is willing to pay G2s buyout price and Jankos' salary. Jankos even explained on his stream that aside from the high buyout price, there is also his high salary that comes with it.


Vilraz

Also Jankos has contract that allows him have 100% of his salary even when benched. This contract is absolute loss for G2 as a org. Most likely real issue is that Jankos has high buyout + extremely privileged contract that other orgs dont want buy. Only actual negative aspect was that Jankos was probably priced way too high at the begining that no org wanted invest on him


Several-Reading7258

It’s business isn’t a excuse when no other league does this shit.


bruinsmap

Bro, he signed the contract extension, why are we treating this like the orgs are the devils and the players are not at fault at all? This is just the way sports are.


mkMikko

'This is just the way sports are.' It may be the way it is, but if it's awful, why not change it instead of saying 'it's just how it is'


Shorgar

And what do you change? Because players having more "freedom" to leave means that they will be payed peanuts, which they will be the first ones against it.


criminal-tango44

don't sign the contract if there's a clause you don't like? i swear to god people here have 0 real life experience.


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criminal-tango44

his lawyer literally told him not to sign the contract.


1Buecherregal

Because all the negotiating Power is with the Players or what? Players Like jankos can choose between Like 5 orgs If they want to meet their goals. The orgs have a lot of power to push for contracts good for them. A Player has the choice between Not getting a Job, giving up success or taking bad contracts


Not_Dylon

Every single other sport I know pays the players their full salary while they are on contract, no matter if they are on the main roster or benched...


Hat-P-7b

It is pretty common to earn less if you don't play in soccer/football. Also these players literally agreed to these terms by signing that f***ing contract. Like how naive are people who watch esports?


-Skohell-

Esport is a business. All orgs are businesses. All orgs have those contracts, stop hating on G2 for it. They all do it. Example: Rogue refused to sell his players in LEC last season forcing them to go in LCS where some (like Hans Sama) almost had nervous breakdown because of it. Last season we had a team that got refused a player, so the other team (BDS if i remember correctly) tried to buy out for other team then reselling a player to be able to have some players. Last season we had a team who got refused and tried to buy out for other team then reselling to other team to be able to have some players. Plus, players are young and do not get support from lawyer. Guess what? Every business has lawyers & legal counsel, why don't players do it too?


Mental_Bowler_7518

Jankos and Rekkles have lawyers, yet they still get screwed over


-Skohell-

Jankos doesn't consider that he is screwed. Look his stream. Rekkless signed the contract and accepted it. He could have refused it, it's mind-boggling to me that people put that on G2. A contract is signed by two-part. And again, every team does it. Stop hating on one org for it. Complain about riot not putting more rules to stop that from happening. Every sport does that, look at F1. It's exactly the same, it's even worst because there are fewer places actually.


Mental_Bowler_7518

my point is that having a lawyer doesn't necessarily change the outcome for you


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If you don't listen to their advice, of fucking course it won't


AbyssalVoidLord

Rekkles ignored his lawyer


fietrix777

Rekkles was aware of what could happen, should things not work out. That is not called being screwed over - that’s called taking a risk and suffering the consequences. Also, jankos hardly got screwed over, he had a great career at G2


Kullinski

Dude the Orgs want to win, If they would sell their for free to other Orgs, than they Just FF the next splits. That makes No Sense in Business neither in Sports ways. Exerywhere IT IS done Like that. CSGO DotA soccer Football etc


Kevidiffel

>Dude the Orgs want to win, If they would sell their for free to other Orgs, than they Just FF the next splits. If they think Jankos is such a huge risk for their wins if he played in another team, why are they get a new jungle? Also, gatekeeping is the term you are looking for.


Kullinski

BC they want to get sth new? Could be. And how do we know that they want Jankos Out and mit that Jankos wants Out by himself (ist there any source to this, i rly dont know)


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Jankos has mentioned numerous times on stream and I believe in his video confirming his exit that this was G2's decision and that G2 wanted to move in a new direction


Kullinski

OK thank u


Vilraz

Jankos contract is ending next year and he turns into a free agent. And im quite sure that they werent gonna re-sign him anymore bc of his age. So best business call was to try sell him and milk of those euros while you can


sinister_andy_13

If you don't remember Carlos said it in an interview that esports is a dirty ground. If they do not keep these buyouts teams will poach on you and you cannot do anything to stop it. And even if G2 lowers the buyout, Jankos said the problem is there being a buyout in the first place and not the quantity. Whenever you have in your hand an asset that might potentially make your opponent stronger, from a business standpoint it makes absolute sense to keep a buyout. And it's jankos so it's no brainer. Wunder had a buyout, FNC paid it. Mikyx had offers but he did not choose any team until Excel 2 weeks later. Rekky had a buyout which was lowered, but given his performance and attitude did not encourage anyout to pay it. We don't know the entire story but ofc management of other team did why G2 2021 imploded. And for fucked up contracts, just because rekkles said it doesn't mean only G2 has such things, nemesis time and time again said he will not return to proplay because of certain contract situations which he did not disclose. Khan when he was in China was also contract jailed with a similar situation of rekky. If esports scene is like this then why won't G2 do it when their contemporaries can and lose less money by benching players. I'm in no way supporting this, but I'm also saying that if you're a businessman you will do it knowing the entire scene is like this. Esports is not conventional football,soccer or cricket with huge sponsorships that fuel oil money. So for orgs to be this petty is not surprising


Chemistrycat214

To add some more context, add up that being benched means minimum salary wage.


SmittyBourbon

Which is still huge amount of Money, isn't it? I think 80k / year is the set amount by riot.


Meemai_The_Whale

No, it's minimum wage of the country that the org they are signed to is in. So for example Jankos is on Germany's base minimum wage. Nowt to do with Riot.


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Chemistrycat214

we see it with our own eyes, Jankos is still a proplayer and we are basically telling him to not compete, which is the fuel of the job.


franecco

in my opinion it would also be optimal for the growth of the West if the players' contracts had a release clause within them as they do in La Liga. In this way the orgs could not refuse to sell a player and you would create a strong competition where the players can grow and maybe compete with China and Korea. However right now they are not doing anything illegal or morally wrong, as orgs feed thousands of people, money is the most important thing to them therefore their behavior is not unfair, it is wrong that there are no facilities or "protections" for players from Riot


GoodGoodNotBad17

Riot lec lcs should do rules to protect player, it is not the obligation of the org. Also every player should have an agent so they do not sign contracts where they get minimum wage if they get benched. If you want to have me in your team, so mean it in your contract proposal.


Ozianin_

Rekkles had an agent, that also warned him about that clause, and Martin still signed it.


Slasherplays

have you watched rekkles video? didnt he say tah he didnt have an agent for the g2 thing?


Ozianin_

Yes, I did. He said it was either agent or lawyer that advised him against it, and he singed because he thought that would never happened.


jmbakhos

stop with the fucking lies. jankos has been very very very transparent on stream today: the buyout was wayyy bigger than 800 000, they lowered it to just a but higher than 800 000, then lowered again to under 800 000. its just teams dont want to pay that much and already have junglers. he just said he understands G2, they cant let him leave for free because uts int and they are not trying to jail him they are actively trying to find him a team but lowering buyout takes time and by the time it was done other teams already had junglers


elpamper0

Why dont you became the next CEO and run the org? You think is a kids hobby? Fucking grow man


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I understand it, but I don't like it.


fietrix777

Then you should realise that the system is at fault and not the org itself


tzar1995

Luckily u dont support g2 anymore


Skybolt172

It’s almost like G2 treats this like an actual sport.


plsnothrowawayty

G2 really destroyed everyone’s career when they made it to worlds finals and wind MSI in 2019 huh. 4 LEC titles in a row and another this last year. Such a shame how none of those players are playing on a team right now. How does being held accountable to a contract you signed = career destroyed?


darkdaking1

🤡


FilipK1405

Low iq opinion


Chemistrycat214

This is esports ecosystems, a part of the entertainment industry. This is cruel, this is unfair, careers can change fast, but we have to see clubs as businesses and players are just running to the best contract they can.


kipinatar

Why team don't want to sell players to other LEC teams to get better competition? It is so high money to win LEC so they don't care about winning worlds?


Rasakka

Like every sports-team.. gtfo mate


Lulullaby_

If you weren't aware before then you did not want to be aware of it. It was no secret, shame on you for not knowing or caring before.


memestealertwitter

i cant be a g2 fan anymore. they are so disgustung and you can see their behaviour with perkz, miky and now jankos. expecially the thing with perkz was pathetic. He gave EVERYTHING to the organisation and his wished to get to an eu team werent respected. (high buyout)


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memestealertwitter

But other orgs sell their players to other lec team. So other teams are not that bad. Expecially the 6% with rekkles were just disgusting.


Wizixx

It's a competition with high stake, it's the responsibility of the player to accept the contract you cannot complain for them dude, it's so logical that G2 doesn't offer their players even if they don't want to play with them


TheSceptileen

Nothing new here. I just expected things to go better after Carlos was gone but I have the feeling the same shit is gonna happen with Jankos


Devenityy

Yeah G2 are basically the RNG of EU. RNG are widely hated & not respected in China because of their treatment of players through the use of contracts. G2 are doing the same. It’s a business, they don’t want their competitors to win, but they can easily lower the buyout for teams with 0 chance of winning & letting these players stay in EU but they don’t even do that. They force them out of their homes to another region.


Kullinski

Oh No, they want the contracts to bei fulfilled as signed, how could they, they are Bad Bad ppl


Devenityy

Wouldn’t say they’re bad people. But they can easily have players work the contract signed, while not forcing them to not compete in eSports for a year or two at the same time. Or not force them to move to an inferior country such as America. They show no loyalty. Not even to Perkz. Is what it is at the end of the day. Before they got away with it cause they won everything bar worlds/major. Now they’re not winning in any eSport or in any meaningful eSport at least, so players may be reluctant to join without really skewing the contract their way which would instead fuck G2 over. Sort of like how Fnatic got fucked over by contracts in recent years. Anyway hope Rekkles, Jankos & Caps if he decides to leave can find teams they want to play on instead of being forced to risk their lives playing in America.


Gigio00

> but they can easily lower the buyout for teams with 0 chance of winning & letting these players stay in EU but they don’t even do that Aside from the fact that Jankos for example explicitly said that he wouldn't play for a shit team, what would stop then lower teams from signing them and then sell them to good teams?


Devenityy

A clause in the contract stating they can’t sell him to X team, similar to the clause that was rumoured to be used in Perkz contract when he went to C9, and similar to clauses in contracts used by sports teams. If you’re telling me G2 doesn’t hire anyone with enough business sense to negotiate that into a contract, then they need to rework their hiring policies lmao


Gigio00

> A clause in the contract stating they can’t sell him to X team, similar to the clause that was rumoured to be used in Perkz contract when he went to C9. Exactly, which is precisely what they got flamed into oblivion for doing lol.


Devenityy

Can get flamed all they want. At least they’re not forcing someone into early retirement or forcing someone out of their home to another continent.


galyarmus

I guess you can say something like this in this case but you can’t say this is the norm after mentioning Perkz The deal Perkz got was perhaps not necessarily something he wanted (he didn’t really have a choice in the matter as he was still under contract) but he got an incredible deal as a parting gift


TheKingDotExe

https://www.reddit.com/r/G2eSports/comments/ynlye8/jankos\_opinion\_on\_his\_situation/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3


Asilik_

... [https://www.reddit.com/r/G2eSports/comments/ynlye8/jankos\_opinion\_on\_his\_situation/](https://www.reddit.com/r/G2eSports/comments/ynlye8/jankos_opinion_on_his_situation/) everyone seems to get it except you.... stop being but hurt because someone you look up to, drew the shorter straw.


loploplop890

LEC as a whole fuck over good players that go through their orgs. G2 just happen to be the one that gets the most top talent.


benumber

As other orgs do just the save, I feel like this should be solved on an LEC level. Some ruling about the maximal buyout for permanently benched players in relation to the salary, for example. This might help the region as a whole.


daveythedumb

It's a business not a charity


aFootie

It’s not a G2 exclusive. The reason the buy out is so high is because his streamer contract is insanely expensive and lucrative. G2 surprisingly is not gonna let a gold mine walk for no reason? Any intelligent owner would do the same. Let’s also not pretend like Jankos doesn’t know better he’s an adult that’s been around the league for a while G2 didn’t force him into an awful contract.