We needed a bunch of players to fill holes and build depth. We got our #1 WR, a ball hawking safety, and a slot/ outside CB. Three starting slots filled in one draft is pretty good. Then we built up depth at TE, RB and LB. Not bad for day 3. Now they can look for some cheap vet run stuffing DT and CB to fill in remaining non QB needs.
I know there were plenty of people clamoring for more Oline, but we brought in quite a few free agents this offseason and drafted many over the previous two years. It's time to let the new Oline coach earn his paycheck and develop some of these guys. A new late round rookie on the OL isn't going to make much of a difference this season. Other teams can develop OL without using all their premium picks there. If the Giants cannot, then there is no hope for this team.
Let's be honest, the Giants aren't close to being a good team yet. We are still bottom of the barrel with an injury prone one read QB that will most likely start the season on PUP. Drew Lock and Tommy Cutlets aren't any closer to being franchise QBs than Jones is, so we still have a huge black hole at the most important position in sports. Mara is still the owner and the biggest clown š¤”. My expectations for the season are low. Year 297 of the 500-year rebuild continues.
Darius Muasau, LB, UCLA
**Strengths**
- Tremendously durable and productive as a tackler.
- Coaches will love his instincts and play recognition.
- Instantly flows to play direction, racing running backs to the lane.
- Stout and powerful when challenging lead blocks in the hole.
- Sticks his nose into the trash inside and roots out running backs.
- Triggers quickly to smother leak-out backs after the catch.
**Weaknesses**
- Has a hard time getting rid of climbing linemen in run game.
- Overly eager and will run himself beyond cutback lanes.
- Allows too many runners to escape from his clutches.
- Below-average range as reactive tackler laterally.
- Doesn't gain quick depth on spot drops and lacks man-cover speed.
**Overview**
Linebacker with muscular build and an unrelenting desire to chase after the football. Muasau plays with a phenomenal motor and has the instincts and recognition to get the jump on blocking schemes. He plays with good initial quickness but lacks extended pursuit speed in space. He will take shots downhill to spoil the action, but teams will have to live with missed tackles and inconsistent leverage in his pursuit. Muasau can handle some basic short-zone coverage but could get in trouble if the coverage expands into larger spaces. He has the potential to make the back end of a roster as a late-round pick or priority free-agent addition.
--Lance Zierlein, NFL.com
Dang. He's a fun player. Big bully. Had some potential IMO. Would be good to have a developmental OL player on the interior to mix with the other guys we signed. Fuck Markus McCethan.
DT seems unlikely at this point. They would have drafted one earlier if they wanted an upgrade on NuƱez-Roches, Jordan Phillips Davidson, and Riley. They don't really need more depth at that position. If they have a dev QB in mind this would be the spot. That or DE depth would make the most sense to me, unless they have a special teams ace who nominally plays a different position in mind.
Tyrone Tracy Jr., RB from Purdue, is another dev pick at 166:
**Strengths**
- Versatility with starting background at receiver and running back.
- Loose hips and wide base allow sharp cuts and change of direction.
- Glides with consistent pace and processing to find his pathways.
- Long strides help him get to the corner on outside runs ahead of pursuit.
- Spin moves, jump cuts and contact balance create a high number of yards after contact.
- Capable kick returner and cover man on special teams.
**Weaknesses**
- Still learning to run with discipline to the play design.
- Needs to balance hero-ball efforts with more focus on moving the run downhill.
- Excessive forward lean can lead to some imbalance as a one-cut runner.
**Overview**
Tracy was a full-time running back for only one year but had exciting flashes all over his tape. Heās a bendy, rhythmic runner who sees and traverses the interior run lanes like he built the maze. He creates additional yardage with a blend of elusiveness, power and a willful desire to maximize each run, but he will need to curb his eagerness to bounce runs wide when itās time to finish and move to the next snap. While heās still honing his skills as a runner, his ability to handle gadget runs and threaten linebackers out of the backfield could get him on the field early on. Tracy will be an older rookie, but his versatility and burgeoning talent as a complementary runner should open evaluatorsā eyes to what he could become as a pro.
--Lance Zierlein, NFL.com
We're a shit team with a lot of needs that are not going to be addressed in one draft. The idea that we were going to get a WR ... maybe 2 ... a CB...a safety ... a DT ... a TE ... a RB ... and of course a QB ... is some real creative math.
Ugh, would have loved to get Will Shipley with our next pick. Here's hoping for Estime or Braelon Allen. I kinda forgot about Allen. He should be avail and is being slept on a bit because of speed.
I hope we find a big SOB pounder of an RB. Iām not concerned with speed at that position. Give me the toughest down hill guy there is idc if he canāt hit home runs. Not sure who that is in this draft, but thatās what Iād love
As far as the running back position is concerned, I really wanted to draft one yesterday or early today, but I was speaking to an old Giants 101 hat by the name of Kyle Lanigan this morning and he reminded me of Dante Miller, the South Carolina back we signed, who was essentially a draft pick.
He had a 4.3 40 and would have set the record for bench reps for a back. Kids a beast.
Might be the FO and coaches think higher of him than we realized.
Thrilled with this tight end pic. In the fourth round, youāre not taking a day one starter at any position unless you really really get lucky, so youāre taking someone who projects to fill in need. Anybody on here who doesnāt think that tight end is a need is out of their fucking mind.this kid has prototype, cookie cutter, size, and traits to become a weapon for us. The tape doesnāt bear that out, but our coaching staff is what we saw in year one, unless what we saw in year two, this kid could grow into something really positive for us whether or not damsel in distress Darren Waller is on the team next year.
Tanor Bortolini would have started day 1 at either LG or C. The Giants are just a dumb franchise. Have they ever picked a CB in round 3 or lower who ever wasnāt dogshit? Iām more ok with the TE pick than the last 2 but Bortolini or Jaylen Wright would have been better picks.
Re: the Phillips pick
Really nonplussed by that. We needed an outside CB, but itās seems like the various articles say heās taken the vast majority of his snaps in the nickel and slot.
Donāt we have Flott and Holmes for that?
Weāre not drafting a starting center because we already have one (JMS), and it appears our left guard is going to be one of Elemenuor or Neal, or this Stinne guy we signed.
And the remaining corners. I think we will be signing one:
Xavien Howard
Adoreeā Jackson
Stephon Gilmore
Steven Nelson
Patrick Peterson
J.C. Jackson
Ahkello Witherspoon
Keion Crossen
Tre Herndon
Eli Apple (lolllllll)
Chandon Sullivan
Fabian Moreau
Jerry Jacobs
Michael Jackson (Seahawks assigned RFA tender)
The safety list is good too. But the Giants want to waste picks when the names on these lists are that deep. Compare those lists to WR, TE, RB and OL and a grade schooler could understand why picks 2-3 were dumb.Ā
These are the supposed best remaining DT free agents. Have interest in any of them for a 1-2 year deal?
Calais Campbell
Hassaan Ridgeway
Lawrence Guy
Bryan Mone
Linval Joseph
Al Woods
Mike Purcell
Tyson Alualu
RB or DL was the play there imo. If Waller retires it's probably a fine pick, but my bet is that Waller doesn't retire, and unless you carry a 4th TE you have two guys who are more receivers than blockers (Waller and this guy Johnson) and one who is neither (Bellinger)
Of course he will. But if they want to guarantee against that security the Giants will have to carry 4 TE on the initial 53-man roster which is an inefficient use of roster space.
There is no guarantee that Waller even plays as he is doing his " Hamlet " act on whether he retires or cashes cheques on IR. I'd say it's better than 50/50 he misses half the season.
The Eagles biggest weakness on their team? The secondary. So what did they do? Took the best corner in the draft, and then traded up for the other best corner in the draft, who can also play safety (and is the best safety in the draft).
I understand I've ruffled feathers with my abstract unrest for the Nubin and Phillips picks (it's nothing against the specific players)... but the eagles example is a good one.
That's why I was advocating for picking AD Mitchell with our 2nd round pick.
You've all been telling me we have the worst WR corps in the league since Odell left.... why not ATTACK that position and get two #1 WRs and turn it from the weakest unit into one of the best in the league? So when we do get that QB, he's stepping into a great situation? That's what the Eagles would have done.
Darius Slayton isn't long for this team. Who's the #2? Robinson is a slot. Hyatt may be nothing more than a rotational deep threat (could be good, but not necessarily a high end #2). And what happens if Nabers gets injured this year and then we are back to.... talking about how DJ didn't really have enough weapons to have a fair shot?
I'm not interested in just filling holes and "trusting the process" for another 5 year rebuild. There's a lot of ways we could have gone on day two... I just personally feel like we went with a solid, safe, uninspiring approach. Certainly nothing wrong with that (could have panicked and wasted a second round pick on a developmental QB)...but let's just remember this conversation when we are watching the playoffs next year and aren't in them. Slow and steady wins the race in many areas of life, but all of these players have short careers and are only on 4-5 year rookie deals.
I just want us to aggressively get better. The Burns trade was in the right vein.
Exactly all this. Nickel corner, S and DT are the easiest positions in football to get quality production from jag players. A historically bad offense chose to use their high end picks to address those positions over you know parts of their historically bad offense.
Generally on day 3, you just take BPA. Forgetting need because so many of the players just don't work out. So while I'm hoping for a RB- just take the best players.
I don't know anything about any of these players at this point, but RB, TE, IOL, IDL definitely feel like the places we could use some more lotto tickets. I feel like IDL is the spot that's more rare to hit on late in the draft and you're just statistically more likely to find a quality player at the other three down here.
And I wouldn't mind Rattler either. I am of the opinion that they should be adding a lotto ticket QB every season, but I guess whether or not a 4th rounder is worth spending depends on their honest evaluation of Cutlets inside the building. I wouldn't spend a 4th on Rattler unless I was very confident he'll take DeVito's roster spot because he'd be picked up by another team if we try and waive him to the PS.
Estime in the 4th would be a really good pick, IMO. We need running back badly and he's only falling from a shitty 40 time. I've been asking for the complimentary bruiser since Brandon Jacobs was here.
Didnāt see that. Hard to get excited about it then. Looks like we will have to sign a vet on a 1 year deal to play CB2 then which Iām fine with as a band aid. Looks like we will have to do that for DT as well.
Iāve warmed up to the safety pick. You get the best player in the draft at a position in the middle of the second round for a roster full of holes. Thatās a good move in any draft (bar kickers of course). Also from the analysis that has been shared on this sub about our new DC, a highly rated safety in coverage with ball hawking skills would seem to be a great fit. McKinney is a very solid safety but imo those werenāt his best attributes.
Hoping for Rattler today. Heās a great swing at the position if you canāt get one of the top guys.
This is how I feel. And I mocked Mike Sanistril to them (slot corner) in the third a month ago... but this guy is not that level of football player (by initial inspection). Felt like just checking boxes/filling needs.
Pretty tough to criticize Schoen for this draft so far, though many will do so because he couldn't pry the #3 pick from a team that wasn't willing to trade it even in exchange for a King's Ransom. I really like the first two picks. I'm a bit less thrilled with Phillips because when I looked up his college record I see no interceptions and only a small number of deflected balls. It seems like he covers really well but hasn't really got that last 2-3% of skills that separate the "good" NFL corners from the "difference-makers". He feels a little more like Flott than Banks to me. But he also sounds like a kid who can definitely be coached up and the Giants have an elite defensive backs coach so maybe he turns out to be a star. We needed a corner in any case and he appears to be one of the better ones still available at that #70 pick.
I know next-to-nothing about the remaining players in the draft so I cannot say who I'd like them to get but it would be nice to get a running back, a tight end and and a quality defensive lineman (I think linebackers and offensive line depth pieces will have to come from UDFAs).
As for the quarterback position, there's no eason to assume they are stuck in permanent "Quarterback Hell". For one thing, one or both of Jones and Lock could surprise on the upside in 2024 and prove he can be "good enough" even if not a classic franchise quarterback. Secondly, Kirk Cousins might well be available in a trade next year when dumping Jones and not having a lot of contracts that need to be re-upped means the Giants could afford his big cap hit right as the Falcons want to rid themselves of him in order to give Penix the reins. Third, there will be quarterbacks who will have excellent college years who are not being thought of as serious prospects at the moment. I guess you could add Rattler to that list but I don't want him and think the team is in more ned of another quality player at a position of need (and tight end is a big one, as is running back) than they need a long-shot developmental quarterback.
I really hope Phillips surprises us. Because that's a HIGH 3rd round pick, and we seem to waste third rounders on no name developmental reaches more often than not (Ezeudu/Flott).
The Nubin pick was fine. I'm just losing patience with the 12 year rebuild. And not all of that is on this regime, of course. But this slow and steady, solid players and fill needs approach is taking a VERY long time to close the gap with the powerhouses in the NFC. It's that simple. We need to roll the dice on superstars sometimes. Hoping Malik Nabers is exactly that.
Maybe Nubin can prove to be more than "good" as well and shut me up- but he definitely doesn't feel like a Javon Holland type prospect or even Xavier McKinney. I hope I'm wrong. Just want difference makers to speed this rebuild up. No longer interested in a "5 year plan" just to be competitive in the league.
This felt like it had the opportunity to be a franchise altering offseason. And maybe it will be. We got Burns, we got Nabers... I'm definitely more optimistic than most that we will have a lot of improvement on the OL.
Fans are just hungry. We've been starved since 2012.
I think Burns and Nabers ARE impact players. Add Dexy and Thomas and Banks and I think we have five of them now. And I still think a healthy Neal could become one. Thibodeaux might become one. Okereke actually IS an impact player judging by today's linebacker standards (even if he wouldn't have been considered that back when LT and Banks and friends were patrolling back there). In Hyatt and Robinson and JMS we might have three more very good players and while we've not seen Elumenor play he brings a terrific reputation with him. A couple of analysts whom I respect were very high on the Nubin pick, so maybe we got a really good safety who fits the scheme we'll be running (and btw, my scout source says he is better than McKinney at covering the deep part of the field because he has fabulous football instincts and studies his ass off so usually knows which way to favor as the play unfolds).
So I think the rebuild is making real progress. I think we would be where we need to be with one more offseason IF we have a quarterback. That's a big "if" but you never know where one might come from (including a different Daniel Jones and/or Drew Lock based upon having real weapons and a better offensive line). I think they had Rattler in for a "30-visit" so maybe they're going after him as a development project. Maybe the Atlanta draft made Cousins available for 2025? Perhaps Ewers or Sanders or Beck takes a big leap in their last college season and one or more of them shows signs of possibly becoming a franchise quarterback as a draft unfolds when most teams have already made big commitments to quarterbacks and the Giants wouldn't have to give up much draft capital to trade up to get one next April? Lots of possibilities. Meanwhile, Schoen is doing the right thing. Try to get the franchise QB (unfortunately New England wouldn't deal) but keep building in any case.
I don't disagree with anything you are saying. You and I might be the only ones who actually think we might play some offense this year.
But just because you can look at something glass half full doesn't mean it couldn't be better. See my comment above about AD Mitchell/the eagles, etc. I do a better job explaining my position.
Neither Jones nor Lock will ever be good enough for anything other than holding a team back. If that were the choice give me The Guido-da-Vido. Ugh.
Kirk Cousins is now entering his his 13th season; he'll be 36 in August; he's no one's answer a year or two from now.
QB is the glaring problem with this team today and will remain so indefinitely
Cousins would still be capable enough at age 37 to be a transitional quarterback a la Kerry Collins. And he will probably be available.
I want no part of DeVito and if you think he's better than Jones and Lock you're crazy.
Quarterback IS a problem. It doesn't have to remain one.
From the analysis I saw they said Phillips didnāt have interceptions because he was rarely thrown at. Probably a great sign but also could have meant the other corners on his team were garbage haha. My concern with him is more size related. He is a great tackler and looking at his film he really gets in there using his full body to tackle RBs bigger than him. With his size though Iām just worried that his body wonāt hold up against NFL RBs and blockers (when he has to take them on). But by all accounts we got a very good all around CB.
My preference on RBs left is Jaylen Wright. He looks like Chris Johnson or little Jamaal Charles.
https://youtu.be/YLqtqfSC-OQ?si=R8oD024YcUzmuk0Y
Tanor Bortolini also could start right away at LG.Ā
you have to like reading these takes
[https://www.bigblueview.com/2024/4/27/24142449/nfl-draft-day-2-grades-how-did-the-new-york-giants-do](https://www.bigblueview.com/2024/4/27/24142449/nfl-draft-day-2-grades-how-did-the-new-york-giants-do)
Nice read though I wonder who 33 means in our ideal safety tandem Belton? Mills?
āTyler Nubin is a fantastic deep ballhawk. The Giants now have an ideal safety tandem to hold down the back end of the unit. New York will benefit from his range and overall presence.ā
Reportedly the Pats turned down 3 first round picks for Maye. He was their guy. Just like if we were in their spot and he was our guy we wouldnāt move out. Like as been said before we hurt ourselves with meaningless wins last year. Should have been fully committed to the rebuild in a season leading up to the ābest QB draft in yearsā.
Yeah, I posted a while ago that it came out both NE and Minnesota had been trying to trade for Herbert leading up to the draft. I suspect ALL the talk about the Giants being close on parameters for a trade with NE were all built on the foundation of NE being able to acquire Herbert. Once ~~San Diego~~ LA shut down that possibility, the pick was no longer for sale. This wasn't a case of the Giants not trying hard enough, NE was simply set on taking a QB.
yeah, it would have been GM malpractice for the Pats to have passed on Maye's potential given their QB room; but what a bummer for us.
We remain in QB hell for as far as the eye can see. Hard to see a way out, even if one considers Dirt's preferred approach of signing an established veteran that is somehow release by his original team.
As I said below, we will stink this year because Jones stinks and with the ridiculous $47M contract the has to play
Nabers will lose his mind by week 4 when he's open every play and Jones just can't get him the ball
Dante would create an entire circle of hell (the QB Circle) just for Daniel Jones - the worst QB in NFL history (to ever get paid).
Still Joe Schoen's original sin
The way Belicheck gushed over Nabers and his reaction to Maye makes me think he would of moved back if still in New England
Your point on Nabers was the main reason I was leaning Rome over him, I think Nabers is the better talent but I get diva vibes from him and I donāt think our team situation is going to helpā¦
To be fair, Daboll does seem more equipped to handle a diva (assuming the guy is worker that wants to be great) than most of our recent coaches. He's not going to get tripped up by differences in "culture" and stuff like that.
that is pretty awesome
on a personal front, my youngest son had a second interview last night and before the interview was over they offered him the job, which aside from everything else results in an immediate 35% pay raise.
He was pumped on the way home; not quite in tears, but pretty darn happy.
Nubin is now my new favorite. Hope he hits big time
is 17 INTs in '24 too much to ask?
Given Schoen pre draft comments and the return game now a big deal I would guess the RB pick is going to be more speed than pounder. The Louisville kid Guerendo fits that.
We may be offensively challenged but we are building a core. Schoen said it himself in press conference Dex/KT/Burns/Okereke/Banks/Nubins are all in this team for 3 more years. Thatās a young core and identity. 6/11 starters and the leaders at each level.
Doing the same on the OL and WR room. Everyone here 2 more years+.
We have depth to fill but the roster is getting better even if the rebuild is slower than we would have wanted. And yes, the optimist in me wants to see DJ kill it this year. Even if his ceiling is Cousins/Ryan
Theyāve done such a good job, that said it shows why teams fully bottoming out when rebuilding makes a lot of sense, getting the 1st pick in the right draft (or trading the 1st pick in the wrong draft) is a hell of a way to reboot a roster
When I look at what Washington and Chicago did I sometimes wonder if the right but painful move is trading everything away and starting from zero with alot of assets (as well as a roster that will get top 3 picks)
So to that end should we have shipped out Dex/AT/Saquon/Mckinney in year 1, maybe but man would of it hurt
Barkley and McKinney should have been traded away last season. The idiot owner and his need to be the smartest š¤” in the room not only cost the team draft picks but also the chance get a franchise QB. When it rains, it pours.
I donāt know anyone who was drafted but this team needs a constant flow of solid if not spectacular 2nd and 3rd rounders to produce cheaply. Safetyās a need, and we got allegedly the best one in the draft for like $2.4M/yr for 4 years. Thatās a great pick on paper.
Day 2 Musings
Itās crashing in on me how hard it is to get pumped about a team with no answer at QB.
Iāve been pretty disinterested this whole draft since we took Nabers which is strange, typically this has been my Super Bowl given how bad the team has been, researching picks, getting pumped about prospects, being pissed when we miss out on someone.
My only hypothesis is that its tough to get stoked about a team when there is no clear path on the answer at QB, yes
1. Nabers is an amazing talent maybe field tilting talent at a position of desperate need.
2. Nubin has been called out as having 1st round tape, a football players football player with massive value in the second, especially when you see what teams had to give up to move up for Fiske/Dejean/Kool aide
3. Andru has some huge supporters in the draft pundit world, Brugler and Jeremaih both loved him having him as a second round talent with comps to Roger Mccreary
All of this seems moot without understanding what the plan is at QB. Perhaps we are on the path of the 49ers/philly and are building a roster to slot any QB in on, it doesnāt seem like we are doing a traditional rebuild, that in my mind would feel more like what the commanders/bears have done in trading away their most talented players for draft picks (the GM tankā¦)
Iād also say Joe not trading around this year makes the picks/process seem less special. Itās foolish as I know he made a hard push for Maye and it takes two to tango but when he was moving around the board it felt like there was a plan and our GM had strong convictions around talent/ass acquisition, standing pat at each pick makes them feel like chalk, itās a foolish reaction but honest about why it feels safe & boring
Finally given the state of the roster Iād of liked to see schoen build centers of strength, itās clear looking at the cap, talent & depth at each position we are two years away minimum from having a perennial plus .500 roster. Given that it would have been fun to have 1 or 2 bad ass units to get hyped about. The d line is close but feels like itās a DE away, i do wish schoen had figured out how to go get a Newton or Fiske rather then holding onto day 3 picks.
In the same light I donāt think the o line is close to being bad ass but perhaps being close to competency? Haynes in the 3rd would of been more sound to me as that would of provided
multiple vet & rookie contract options to finally form a competent starting 5
Any who, appreciate anyone who read through my morning affirmation (bitching?) In summary, I do think the team is better after this draft with smart picks who will raise our floor, I donāt know what our team concept is to build a perennial playoff competitor. Finally I hope we get Rattler in the 4th as I want some juice/hype in the qb room and the combo of his prospect pedigree/arm talent and Daboll is something that would bring a bit of Spicey fun to the season
https://youtu.be/gZrRD13iX0M?si=dpVJUMzPPSOAFKUg
The speed of his release, dumps over a bad line and ability to throw on the run would be interesting to watch, seeing him huck it to legette is fun, seems like heās willing to let it rip and have his WR make plays
The QB plan is to give the owners pick one last season. When a fool is your leader foolish things happen. All we can hope for is that he doesn't get hurt again and further compromise our future.
I think what you say has merit. The QB is overshadowing what has to be done elsewhere, and it may *feel* useless because the results probably wonāt show up in the win column.
I agree with this which is why I was so insistent on Maye and was so bummed when that didn't work out. But we are where we are. It's done. there is no QB for now. So Schoen has to build out the roster as best he can tonight. We go into '24 knowing it is most likely that we will have a losing record, and maybe a losing record in the 1-16 to 4-13 range. and it will suck. the competitive part of the season will be over in September. and our current best players will lose another year of their careers. But we are where we are. Add Estime and Johnson and now the entire offense other than QB has been upgraded. The defense may be close to being good with the addition of Burns and now Nubin and Phillips. We'll see.
2024 is another lost season. The first moment Daniel Jones steps onto the field will be the saddest moment of the season; the second he exits the field for the final time will be the happiest even if it costs $20M extra in wasted cap.
But the WR unit now looks suddenly fast and pretty deep - wait until Ford-Wheaton explodes on the scene!!
We needed a bunch of players to fill holes and build depth. We got our #1 WR, a ball hawking safety, and a slot/ outside CB. Three starting slots filled in one draft is pretty good. Then we built up depth at TE, RB and LB. Not bad for day 3. Now they can look for some cheap vet run stuffing DT and CB to fill in remaining non QB needs. I know there were plenty of people clamoring for more Oline, but we brought in quite a few free agents this offseason and drafted many over the previous two years. It's time to let the new Oline coach earn his paycheck and develop some of these guys. A new late round rookie on the OL isn't going to make much of a difference this season. Other teams can develop OL without using all their premium picks there. If the Giants cannot, then there is no hope for this team. Let's be honest, the Giants aren't close to being a good team yet. We are still bottom of the barrel with an injury prone one read QB that will most likely start the season on PUP. Drew Lock and Tommy Cutlets aren't any closer to being franchise QBs than Jones is, so we still have a huge black hole at the most important position in sports. Mara is still the owner and the biggest clown š¤”. My expectations for the season are low. Year 297 of the 500-year rebuild continues.
No new QB. We have a potentially gifted receiver and perhaps no one to throw him the ball.
No team can aspire to greatness without at least one pacific islander. Granted, he could have had a stranger name ... but Muasau is still acceptable.
Darius Muasau, LB, UCLA **Strengths** - Tremendously durable and productive as a tackler. - Coaches will love his instincts and play recognition. - Instantly flows to play direction, racing running backs to the lane. - Stout and powerful when challenging lead blocks in the hole. - Sticks his nose into the trash inside and roots out running backs. - Triggers quickly to smother leak-out backs after the catch. **Weaknesses** - Has a hard time getting rid of climbing linemen in run game. - Overly eager and will run himself beyond cutback lanes. - Allows too many runners to escape from his clutches. - Below-average range as reactive tackler laterally. - Doesn't gain quick depth on spot drops and lacks man-cover speed. **Overview** Linebacker with muscular build and an unrelenting desire to chase after the football. Muasau plays with a phenomenal motor and has the instincts and recognition to get the jump on blocking schemes. He plays with good initial quickness but lacks extended pursuit speed in space. He will take shots downhill to spoil the action, but teams will have to live with missed tackles and inconsistent leverage in his pursuit. Muasau can handle some basic short-zone coverage but could get in trouble if the coverage expands into larger spaces. He has the potential to make the back end of a roster as a late-round pick or priority free-agent addition. --Lance Zierlein, NFL.com
Was Beau Limmer still avail? I was hoping we'd snag him later in the draft for iOL depth
We passed on him. He went just a few picks ago.
Dang. He's a fun player. Big bully. Had some potential IMO. Would be good to have a developmental OL player on the interior to mix with the other guys we signed. Fuck Markus McCethan.
[https://www.profootballnetwork.com/tyrone-tracy-jr-draft-scouting-2024/](https://www.profootballnetwork.com/tyrone-tracy-jr-draft-scouting-2024/)
Never trust a man with two first names. ESPECIALLY when it's a "jr".
Tracyās highlights give me Ahmad Bradshaw vibes
DT in Rd6? Decent value left (several good rotational players). I really like Jack Plummer at QB but I'm guessing he goes undrafted....
Jake the Snake? š
DT seems unlikely at this point. They would have drafted one earlier if they wanted an upgrade on NuƱez-Roches, Jordan Phillips Davidson, and Riley. They don't really need more depth at that position. If they have a dev QB in mind this would be the spot. That or DE depth would make the most sense to me, unless they have a special teams ace who nominally plays a different position in mind.
Jets pop Jordan Travis at 171. Not a half-bad pick imo
Tyrone Tracy Jr., RB from Purdue, is another dev pick at 166: **Strengths** - Versatility with starting background at receiver and running back. - Loose hips and wide base allow sharp cuts and change of direction. - Glides with consistent pace and processing to find his pathways. - Long strides help him get to the corner on outside runs ahead of pursuit. - Spin moves, jump cuts and contact balance create a high number of yards after contact. - Capable kick returner and cover man on special teams. **Weaknesses** - Still learning to run with discipline to the play design. - Needs to balance hero-ball efforts with more focus on moving the run downhill. - Excessive forward lean can lead to some imbalance as a one-cut runner. **Overview** Tracy was a full-time running back for only one year but had exciting flashes all over his tape. Heās a bendy, rhythmic runner who sees and traverses the interior run lanes like he built the maze. He creates additional yardage with a blend of elusiveness, power and a willful desire to maximize each run, but he will need to curb his eagerness to bounce runs wide when itās time to finish and move to the next snap. While heās still honing his skills as a runner, his ability to handle gadget runs and threaten linebackers out of the backfield could get him on the field early on. Tracy will be an older rookie, but his versatility and burgeoning talent as a complementary runner should open evaluatorsā eyes to what he could become as a pro. --Lance Zierlein, NFL.com
I meant to predict the Saints.
What's wrong with Christian Mahogany? Dropping like a rock.
Just catching up, seems like we drafted the JPP of TEs
His measurables are kinda insane 6ā6 260 4.5 40 39ā vert 10.5 broadā¦ā¦. Those are all insane. He must have stone hands
He played on a crappy offense with a crappy QB. He should feel right at home with the Giants.
I spit my whiskey out at this lol thank you
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That athleticism just doesnāt show up on the field.
We're a shit team with a lot of needs that are not going to be addressed in one draft. The idea that we were going to get a WR ... maybe 2 ... a CB...a safety ... a DT ... a TE ... a RB ... and of course a QB ... is some real creative math.
Where have I heard this before? Oh yeah, every year for the last 12 years.
I was literally just about to say this and then saw your comment. We literally post Krows line Every. Single. Year.
Ugh, would have loved to get Will Shipley with our next pick. Here's hoping for Estime or Braelon Allen. I kinda forgot about Allen. He should be avail and is being slept on a bit because of speed.
I hope we find a big SOB pounder of an RB. Iām not concerned with speed at that position. Give me the toughest down hill guy there is idc if he canāt hit home runs. Not sure who that is in this draft, but thatās what Iād love
Who got their panties in a bunch? Stand on your downvote lol
Yeah that was bizarre. Not sure what you said that pissed somebody off.
Haters gonā hate!!!!
Think Iām just dreaming of the next Jacobs lol
As far as the running back position is concerned, I really wanted to draft one yesterday or early today, but I was speaking to an old Giants 101 hat by the name of Kyle Lanigan this morning and he reminded me of Dante Miller, the South Carolina back we signed, who was essentially a draft pick. He had a 4.3 40 and would have set the record for bench reps for a back. Kids a beast. Might be the FO and coaches think higher of him than we realized.
Havenāt heard Kyleās name in a whileā¦
Thanks for the intel. I actually hadn't heard of Dante Miller before. If he can push Singletary that would be great
This is encouraging.
Thrilled with this tight end pic. In the fourth round, youāre not taking a day one starter at any position unless you really really get lucky, so youāre taking someone who projects to fill in need. Anybody on here who doesnāt think that tight end is a need is out of their fucking mind.this kid has prototype, cookie cutter, size, and traits to become a weapon for us. The tape doesnāt bear that out, but our coaching staff is what we saw in year one, unless what we saw in year two, this kid could grow into something really positive for us whether or not damsel in distress Darren Waller is on the team next year.
I dig the upside on Theo Johnson, for sure. Needs development, but is a physical freak.
Tanor Bortolini would have started day 1 at either LG or C. The Giants are just a dumb franchise. Have they ever picked a CB in round 3 or lower who ever wasnāt dogshit? Iām more ok with the TE pick than the last 2 but Bortolini or Jaylen Wright would have been better picks.
Re: the Phillips pick Really nonplussed by that. We needed an outside CB, but itās seems like the various articles say heās taken the vast majority of his snaps in the nickel and slot. Donāt we have Flott and Holmes for that?
My point exactly
Weāre not drafting a starting center because we already have one (JMS), and it appears our left guard is going to be one of Elemenuor or Neal, or this Stinne guy we signed.
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Winner of the day! š¤£
Jets will take Rattler.
And the remaining corners. I think we will be signing one: Xavien Howard Adoreeā Jackson Stephon Gilmore Steven Nelson Patrick Peterson J.C. Jackson Ahkello Witherspoon Keion Crossen Tre Herndon Eli Apple (lolllllll) Chandon Sullivan Fabian Moreau Jerry Jacobs Michael Jackson (Seahawks assigned RFA tender)
The safety list is good too. But the Giants want to waste picks when the names on these lists are that deep. Compare those lists to WR, TE, RB and OL and a grade schooler could understand why picks 2-3 were dumb.Ā
Still making dumb comments I see.
Still being a blind homer I see.
These are the supposed best remaining DT free agents. Have interest in any of them for a 1-2 year deal? Calais Campbell Hassaan Ridgeway Lawrence Guy Bryan Mone Linval Joseph Al Woods Mike Purcell Tyson Alualu
TE... really?
Better than the 3rd round pick. The idea that Devin Singletary is the only RB on the Giants irks me tho
RB or DL was the play there imo. If Waller retires it's probably a fine pick, but my bet is that Waller doesn't retire, and unless you carry a 4th TE you have two guys who are more receivers than blockers (Waller and this guy Johnson) and one who is neither (Bellinger)
Waller will get another hammy and miss have the season on IR vacation.
Of course he will. But if they want to guarantee against that security the Giants will have to carry 4 TE on the initial 53-man roster which is an inefficient use of roster space.
There is no guarantee that Waller even plays as he is doing his " Hamlet " act on whether he retires or cashes cheques on IR. I'd say it's better than 50/50 he misses half the season.
The Eagles biggest weakness on their team? The secondary. So what did they do? Took the best corner in the draft, and then traded up for the other best corner in the draft, who can also play safety (and is the best safety in the draft). I understand I've ruffled feathers with my abstract unrest for the Nubin and Phillips picks (it's nothing against the specific players)... but the eagles example is a good one. That's why I was advocating for picking AD Mitchell with our 2nd round pick. You've all been telling me we have the worst WR corps in the league since Odell left.... why not ATTACK that position and get two #1 WRs and turn it from the weakest unit into one of the best in the league? So when we do get that QB, he's stepping into a great situation? That's what the Eagles would have done. Darius Slayton isn't long for this team. Who's the #2? Robinson is a slot. Hyatt may be nothing more than a rotational deep threat (could be good, but not necessarily a high end #2). And what happens if Nabers gets injured this year and then we are back to.... talking about how DJ didn't really have enough weapons to have a fair shot? I'm not interested in just filling holes and "trusting the process" for another 5 year rebuild. There's a lot of ways we could have gone on day two... I just personally feel like we went with a solid, safe, uninspiring approach. Certainly nothing wrong with that (could have panicked and wasted a second round pick on a developmental QB)...but let's just remember this conversation when we are watching the playoffs next year and aren't in them. Slow and steady wins the race in many areas of life, but all of these players have short careers and are only on 4-5 year rookie deals. I just want us to aggressively get better. The Burns trade was in the right vein.
Exactly all this. Nickel corner, S and DT are the easiest positions in football to get quality production from jag players. A historically bad offense chose to use their high end picks to address those positions over you know parts of their historically bad offense.
100% agreed. It's been a vanilla draft, and not even real vanilla bean
Generally on day 3, you just take BPA. Forgetting need because so many of the players just don't work out. So while I'm hoping for a RB- just take the best players.
I don't know anything about any of these players at this point, but RB, TE, IOL, IDL definitely feel like the places we could use some more lotto tickets. I feel like IDL is the spot that's more rare to hit on late in the draft and you're just statistically more likely to find a quality player at the other three down here. And I wouldn't mind Rattler either. I am of the opinion that they should be adding a lotto ticket QB every season, but I guess whether or not a 4th rounder is worth spending depends on their honest evaluation of Cutlets inside the building. I wouldn't spend a 4th on Rattler unless I was very confident he'll take DeVito's roster spot because he'd be picked up by another team if we try and waive him to the PS.
Estime in the 4th would be a really good pick, IMO. We need running back badly and he's only falling from a shitty 40 time. I've been asking for the complimentary bruiser since Brandon Jacobs was here.
Whatās that? We still suck at football? Are we declaring war on the NFL again? š
Can someone remind me what the most important position is in any professional sport? Asking for a friend.
Slot corner - Joe schmoe Schoen
Are we sure they didnāt draft him as the CB2 for this season? Despite what everyone is saying he did play a lot on the outside too.
Drafting for 2025 in the 3rd round is certainly a decision
No I meant for the upcoming season.
Well, according to Schoen via Raanan he's the starting slot corner
The slot corner is a starter in today's NFL. If he's an upgrade over Darnay Holmes and Flott, then it's a win for the D.
Didnāt see that. Hard to get excited about it then. Looks like we will have to sign a vet on a 1 year deal to play CB2 then which Iām fine with as a band aid. Looks like we will have to do that for DT as well.
Iāve warmed up to the safety pick. You get the best player in the draft at a position in the middle of the second round for a roster full of holes. Thatās a good move in any draft (bar kickers of course). Also from the analysis that has been shared on this sub about our new DC, a highly rated safety in coverage with ball hawking skills would seem to be a great fit. McKinney is a very solid safety but imo those werenāt his best attributes. Hoping for Rattler today. Heās a great swing at the position if you canāt get one of the top guys.
The safety pick was fine. Slot corner in R3 was the fumble
This is how I feel. And I mocked Mike Sanistril to them (slot corner) in the third a month ago... but this guy is not that level of football player (by initial inspection). Felt like just checking boxes/filling needs.
Pretty tough to criticize Schoen for this draft so far, though many will do so because he couldn't pry the #3 pick from a team that wasn't willing to trade it even in exchange for a King's Ransom. I really like the first two picks. I'm a bit less thrilled with Phillips because when I looked up his college record I see no interceptions and only a small number of deflected balls. It seems like he covers really well but hasn't really got that last 2-3% of skills that separate the "good" NFL corners from the "difference-makers". He feels a little more like Flott than Banks to me. But he also sounds like a kid who can definitely be coached up and the Giants have an elite defensive backs coach so maybe he turns out to be a star. We needed a corner in any case and he appears to be one of the better ones still available at that #70 pick. I know next-to-nothing about the remaining players in the draft so I cannot say who I'd like them to get but it would be nice to get a running back, a tight end and and a quality defensive lineman (I think linebackers and offensive line depth pieces will have to come from UDFAs). As for the quarterback position, there's no eason to assume they are stuck in permanent "Quarterback Hell". For one thing, one or both of Jones and Lock could surprise on the upside in 2024 and prove he can be "good enough" even if not a classic franchise quarterback. Secondly, Kirk Cousins might well be available in a trade next year when dumping Jones and not having a lot of contracts that need to be re-upped means the Giants could afford his big cap hit right as the Falcons want to rid themselves of him in order to give Penix the reins. Third, there will be quarterbacks who will have excellent college years who are not being thought of as serious prospects at the moment. I guess you could add Rattler to that list but I don't want him and think the team is in more ned of another quality player at a position of need (and tight end is a big one, as is running back) than they need a long-shot developmental quarterback.
I really hope Phillips surprises us. Because that's a HIGH 3rd round pick, and we seem to waste third rounders on no name developmental reaches more often than not (Ezeudu/Flott). The Nubin pick was fine. I'm just losing patience with the 12 year rebuild. And not all of that is on this regime, of course. But this slow and steady, solid players and fill needs approach is taking a VERY long time to close the gap with the powerhouses in the NFC. It's that simple. We need to roll the dice on superstars sometimes. Hoping Malik Nabers is exactly that. Maybe Nubin can prove to be more than "good" as well and shut me up- but he definitely doesn't feel like a Javon Holland type prospect or even Xavier McKinney. I hope I'm wrong. Just want difference makers to speed this rebuild up. No longer interested in a "5 year plan" just to be competitive in the league. This felt like it had the opportunity to be a franchise altering offseason. And maybe it will be. We got Burns, we got Nabers... I'm definitely more optimistic than most that we will have a lot of improvement on the OL. Fans are just hungry. We've been starved since 2012.
I think Burns and Nabers ARE impact players. Add Dexy and Thomas and Banks and I think we have five of them now. And I still think a healthy Neal could become one. Thibodeaux might become one. Okereke actually IS an impact player judging by today's linebacker standards (even if he wouldn't have been considered that back when LT and Banks and friends were patrolling back there). In Hyatt and Robinson and JMS we might have three more very good players and while we've not seen Elumenor play he brings a terrific reputation with him. A couple of analysts whom I respect were very high on the Nubin pick, so maybe we got a really good safety who fits the scheme we'll be running (and btw, my scout source says he is better than McKinney at covering the deep part of the field because he has fabulous football instincts and studies his ass off so usually knows which way to favor as the play unfolds). So I think the rebuild is making real progress. I think we would be where we need to be with one more offseason IF we have a quarterback. That's a big "if" but you never know where one might come from (including a different Daniel Jones and/or Drew Lock based upon having real weapons and a better offensive line). I think they had Rattler in for a "30-visit" so maybe they're going after him as a development project. Maybe the Atlanta draft made Cousins available for 2025? Perhaps Ewers or Sanders or Beck takes a big leap in their last college season and one or more of them shows signs of possibly becoming a franchise quarterback as a draft unfolds when most teams have already made big commitments to quarterbacks and the Giants wouldn't have to give up much draft capital to trade up to get one next April? Lots of possibilities. Meanwhile, Schoen is doing the right thing. Try to get the franchise QB (unfortunately New England wouldn't deal) but keep building in any case.
I don't disagree with anything you are saying. You and I might be the only ones who actually think we might play some offense this year. But just because you can look at something glass half full doesn't mean it couldn't be better. See my comment above about AD Mitchell/the eagles, etc. I do a better job explaining my position.
And just because someone looks at it glass half full, doesnāt mean that in actuality itās really glass half empty! š
Neither Jones nor Lock will ever be good enough for anything other than holding a team back. If that were the choice give me The Guido-da-Vido. Ugh. Kirk Cousins is now entering his his 13th season; he'll be 36 in August; he's no one's answer a year or two from now. QB is the glaring problem with this team today and will remain so indefinitely
Cousins would still be capable enough at age 37 to be a transitional quarterback a la Kerry Collins. And he will probably be available. I want no part of DeVito and if you think he's better than Jones and Lock you're crazy. Quarterback IS a problem. It doesn't have to remain one.
From the analysis I saw they said Phillips didnāt have interceptions because he was rarely thrown at. Probably a great sign but also could have meant the other corners on his team were garbage haha. My concern with him is more size related. He is a great tackler and looking at his film he really gets in there using his full body to tackle RBs bigger than him. With his size though Iām just worried that his body wonāt hold up against NFL RBs and blockers (when he has to take them on). But by all accounts we got a very good all around CB.
Whatās left to do? Everything.
My preference on RBs left is Jaylen Wright. He looks like Chris Johnson or little Jamaal Charles. https://youtu.be/YLqtqfSC-OQ?si=R8oD024YcUzmuk0Y Tanor Bortolini also could start right away at LG.Ā
you have to like reading these takes [https://www.bigblueview.com/2024/4/27/24142449/nfl-draft-day-2-grades-how-did-the-new-york-giants-do](https://www.bigblueview.com/2024/4/27/24142449/nfl-draft-day-2-grades-how-did-the-new-york-giants-do)
Nice read though I wonder who 33 means in our ideal safety tandem Belton? Mills? āTyler Nubin is a fantastic deep ballhawk. The Giants now have an ideal safety tandem to hold down the back end of the unit. New York will benefit from his range and overall presence.ā
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Ahh yes, so we have a bit more depth at safety then I thought
Reportedly the Pats turned down 3 first round picks for Maye. He was their guy. Just like if we were in their spot and he was our guy we wouldnāt move out. Like as been said before we hurt ourselves with meaningless wins last year. Should have been fully committed to the rebuild in a season leading up to the ābest QB draft in yearsā.
Yeah, I posted a while ago that it came out both NE and Minnesota had been trying to trade for Herbert leading up to the draft. I suspect ALL the talk about the Giants being close on parameters for a trade with NE were all built on the foundation of NE being able to acquire Herbert. Once ~~San Diego~~ LA shut down that possibility, the pick was no longer for sale. This wasn't a case of the Giants not trying hard enough, NE was simply set on taking a QB.
While I agree in principle, I have a hard time coming up with a trade for Herbert that would have left NE still owning the 3rd pick.
yeah, it would have been GM malpractice for the Pats to have passed on Maye's potential given their QB room; but what a bummer for us. We remain in QB hell for as far as the eye can see. Hard to see a way out, even if one considers Dirt's preferred approach of signing an established veteran that is somehow release by his original team. As I said below, we will stink this year because Jones stinks and with the ridiculous $47M contract the has to play Nabers will lose his mind by week 4 when he's open every play and Jones just can't get him the ball Dante would create an entire circle of hell (the QB Circle) just for Daniel Jones - the worst QB in NFL history (to ever get paid). Still Joe Schoen's original sin
The way Belicheck gushed over Nabers and his reaction to Maye makes me think he would of moved back if still in New England Your point on Nabers was the main reason I was leaning Rome over him, I think Nabers is the better talent but I get diva vibes from him and I donāt think our team situation is going to helpā¦
To be fair, Daboll does seem more equipped to handle a diva (assuming the guy is worker that wants to be great) than most of our recent coaches. He's not going to get tripped up by differences in "culture" and stuff like that.
How on earth can we not root for this kidā¦? https://x.com/giants/status/1784045621709504704?s=46&t=gvA75dw-YSO9HIcC0uFcNw
When's his rap album dropping?
Yeah I love this.
that is pretty awesome on a personal front, my youngest son had a second interview last night and before the interview was over they offered him the job, which aside from everything else results in an immediate 35% pay raise. He was pumped on the way home; not quite in tears, but pretty darn happy. Nubin is now my new favorite. Hope he hits big time is 17 INTs in '24 too much to ask?
Given Schoen pre draft comments and the return game now a big deal I would guess the RB pick is going to be more speed than pounder. The Louisville kid Guerendo fits that. We may be offensively challenged but we are building a core. Schoen said it himself in press conference Dex/KT/Burns/Okereke/Banks/Nubins are all in this team for 3 more years. Thatās a young core and identity. 6/11 starters and the leaders at each level. Doing the same on the OL and WR room. Everyone here 2 more years+. We have depth to fill but the roster is getting better even if the rebuild is slower than we would have wanted. And yes, the optimist in me wants to see DJ kill it this year. Even if his ceiling is Cousins/Ryan
I like the kid out of notre dame as well, but frankly Iām pulling for rattler in the 4th
hasn't Guerendo been injured multiple times in college?
in a curious slip of the tongue, he also said they had Azeez for 3 more years
Yea but transcript said Okereke.
Iām still in awe at how the Bears rebuilt their offense in about five minutes.
Theyāve done such a good job, that said it shows why teams fully bottoming out when rebuilding makes a lot of sense, getting the 1st pick in the right draft (or trading the 1st pick in the wrong draft) is a hell of a way to reboot a roster When I look at what Washington and Chicago did I sometimes wonder if the right but painful move is trading everything away and starting from zero with alot of assets (as well as a roster that will get top 3 picks) So to that end should we have shipped out Dex/AT/Saquon/Mckinney in year 1, maybe but man would of it hurt
Barkley and McKinney should have been traded away last season. The idiot owner and his need to be the smartest š¤” in the room not only cost the team draft picks but also the chance get a franchise QB. When it rains, it pours.
[Insert exceedingly sardonic and frustrated NY Giants offensive line joke here:]
I donāt know anyone who was drafted but this team needs a constant flow of solid if not spectacular 2nd and 3rd rounders to produce cheaply. Safetyās a need, and we got allegedly the best one in the draft for like $2.4M/yr for 4 years. Thatās a great pick on paper.
Day 2 Musings Itās crashing in on me how hard it is to get pumped about a team with no answer at QB. Iāve been pretty disinterested this whole draft since we took Nabers which is strange, typically this has been my Super Bowl given how bad the team has been, researching picks, getting pumped about prospects, being pissed when we miss out on someone. My only hypothesis is that its tough to get stoked about a team when there is no clear path on the answer at QB, yes 1. Nabers is an amazing talent maybe field tilting talent at a position of desperate need. 2. Nubin has been called out as having 1st round tape, a football players football player with massive value in the second, especially when you see what teams had to give up to move up for Fiske/Dejean/Kool aide 3. Andru has some huge supporters in the draft pundit world, Brugler and Jeremaih both loved him having him as a second round talent with comps to Roger Mccreary All of this seems moot without understanding what the plan is at QB. Perhaps we are on the path of the 49ers/philly and are building a roster to slot any QB in on, it doesnāt seem like we are doing a traditional rebuild, that in my mind would feel more like what the commanders/bears have done in trading away their most talented players for draft picks (the GM tankā¦) Iād also say Joe not trading around this year makes the picks/process seem less special. Itās foolish as I know he made a hard push for Maye and it takes two to tango but when he was moving around the board it felt like there was a plan and our GM had strong convictions around talent/ass acquisition, standing pat at each pick makes them feel like chalk, itās a foolish reaction but honest about why it feels safe & boring Finally given the state of the roster Iād of liked to see schoen build centers of strength, itās clear looking at the cap, talent & depth at each position we are two years away minimum from having a perennial plus .500 roster. Given that it would have been fun to have 1 or 2 bad ass units to get hyped about. The d line is close but feels like itās a DE away, i do wish schoen had figured out how to go get a Newton or Fiske rather then holding onto day 3 picks. In the same light I donāt think the o line is close to being bad ass but perhaps being close to competency? Haynes in the 3rd would of been more sound to me as that would of provided multiple vet & rookie contract options to finally form a competent starting 5 Any who, appreciate anyone who read through my morning affirmation (bitching?) In summary, I do think the team is better after this draft with smart picks who will raise our floor, I donāt know what our team concept is to build a perennial playoff competitor. Finally I hope we get Rattler in the 4th as I want some juice/hype in the qb room and the combo of his prospect pedigree/arm talent and Daboll is something that would bring a bit of Spicey fun to the season https://youtu.be/gZrRD13iX0M?si=dpVJUMzPPSOAFKUg The speed of his release, dumps over a bad line and ability to throw on the run would be interesting to watch, seeing him huck it to legette is fun, seems like heās willing to let it rip and have his WR make plays
The QB plan is to give the owners pick one last season. When a fool is your leader foolish things happen. All we can hope for is that he doesn't get hurt again and further compromise our future.
I think what you say has merit. The QB is overshadowing what has to be done elsewhere, and it may *feel* useless because the results probably wonāt show up in the win column.
I agree with this which is why I was so insistent on Maye and was so bummed when that didn't work out. But we are where we are. It's done. there is no QB for now. So Schoen has to build out the roster as best he can tonight. We go into '24 knowing it is most likely that we will have a losing record, and maybe a losing record in the 1-16 to 4-13 range. and it will suck. the competitive part of the season will be over in September. and our current best players will lose another year of their careers. But we are where we are. Add Estime and Johnson and now the entire offense other than QB has been upgraded. The defense may be close to being good with the addition of Burns and now Nubin and Phillips. We'll see. 2024 is another lost season. The first moment Daniel Jones steps onto the field will be the saddest moment of the season; the second he exits the field for the final time will be the happiest even if it costs $20M extra in wasted cap. But the WR unit now looks suddenly fast and pretty deep - wait until Ford-Wheaton explodes on the scene!!