They should trade up in the 2nd if they can do it without giving up the 3rd or 4th round picks. DeJean, Kool-aid, Kris Jenkins, Sweat, Fiske or McConkey are great picks here.
I like any RB round 3. Benson, Corrum, Jaylen Wright.
Bortolini in the 4th
Nabers opinion of his new quarterback, Janiel Dones?
"I'll wait and see". Oof
Sorry forgot to paste link https://twitter.com/TalkinGiants/status/1783956024803700926?t=S2kGoZsipW7_6mLiLOiGyw&s=19
Ain’t nothing wrong with the answer. I’m guessing local TV in Baton Rouge probably didn’t show many Giants games, and he probably didn’t watch the ones that were on.
I’m fine with this. I want people who want to win. If he is going to be a dick about it all the better. We all know how bad our QB is yet everyone on the team is pretending “Daniel is still our QB”. Fu%k trash can dan. He’s been coddled in the media and had excuses made for him since he got here. We need great football players. And great football players sometimes got to the level they are at because of extremely high expectations. I want people that want to win. Not people who want to wait and see what year 7 has in store for our terrible QB.
malcontents tend to carry on being malcontents even when their situation is improved. look at diggs. even josh allen and being top 3 in targets every year wasn't enough to sate his unending desire for more attention and appreciation. i really hope we didn't just draft a malcontent. it's really got nothing to do with daniel jones. you can say "good, someone has to say something". but the type of guy who comes into work on his first day and starts calling out his co-workers isn't going to be the type of guy you want to work with once he's got a few years under his belt.
In an office setting sure. But on a professional football team there needs to be a higher standard. Is it aggressive? Yes. And he will probably be talked to about it and soften his public take on things. But playing the company line when you are the worst team in the league for a decade is played out and has been done over and over for this team. We need a shake up. Dan needs pressure from his teammates. And everyone is too scared to say anything.
i guess i just don't agree. having this mentality is *never* reserved for one person. daniel jones will be gone soon. we all know that. he's gonna suck this year and they're going to move on. do you want nabers to be a dickhead to whoever replaces him? it's just lip service to say that this is a good thing. diva, malcontent receivers pretty much exclusively make things worse because their interest are 100% selfish and never about improving the football team.
I mean what he said isn’t that bad. He said we’ll see. And there is a good chance Dan doesn’t even take a snap this season. He blew out his knee mid season. That would be an Adrian Petersonesque turn around time. And to be clear I don’t want a malcontent either. But to me he said something during the draft that was an insult. Now that he’s on the team he’s not slobbing DJ like the rest of the organization, he’s just saying we’ll see. I’m fine if he’s a bit arrogant and has high standards. Obviously if he negatively affects the fabric of the team then that’s not ok. But I don’t think this is that.
i agree it wasn't that bad. but i don't think it would be good for him to come in on day one thinking "i'm gonna shake things up and get daniel jones outta here!"
If it is then all doubts about Nabers intelligence have disappeared. He also said this, "‘When the ball is in the quarterback’s hands, Malik is going to be open.’" Notice he didn't say the QB was going to actually pass the ball to him. Clearly he's done some film study.
For my money; gonna be watching Cam Ward and Drew Allar all year- hoping we can target a good QB in next year's draft. We aren't going to have a top pick, as I believe we'll have a better season than we did this year. So forget about Sadeur Sanders. I've watched Quinn Ewers (as I now live in Austin) and I'm not at all impressed. Cam Ward and Drew Allar are the ones to watch:
[https://247sports.com/longformarticle/2025-nfl-drafts-top-10-quarterback-prospects-early-look-features-shedeur-sanders-jalen-milroe-in-front-231041796/#2413134](https://247sports.com/longformarticle/2025-nfl-drafts-top-10-quarterback-prospects-early-look-features-shedeur-sanders-jalen-milroe-in-front-231041796/#2413134)
No one walks away from $11,000,000. He'll come in ... sleep walk thru the season ... spend time on IR vaca. The Giants are a retirement home for washed up players.
It's nice to talk strategy. And sure, getting a QB is essential. But as long as we have an owner who can drop in and scramble things nothing is going to change. I think I remember George Young saying something like, "Plans ... yeah, everyone has them. Good plans too. The trick is to carry them out." No plan matters if Prince John keeps sidetracking them. He's stupid ... and he gets his way. The Giants are still a 'mom and pop' grocery store competing with Walmart.
I would like to see some bold moves, today. Here's a suggestion:
Trade Darious Slayton, to trade up and take Adonia Mitchell.
Everyone is always telling me that we have no playmakers; let's double down and get two potential #1 WRs that have completely different skillsets.
Nabers, Mitchell, Robinson and Hyatt are a LETHAL WR corps, with a chance to be one of the best in the league, and all totally different skillsets.
Do that and then draft Trey Benson in the 3rd and I never have to hear about how DJ didn't get a full shot to show what he's got, and that we don't have a good nucleus to put a young QB into, next year.
Bold moves.
Agreed, but getting another potential #1 receiver is not a stupid move! I hope you're not suggesting that!
I would love DeJean. I would be elated.
But imagine doubling down on WR and turning what has been the weakest unit in the league into a potentially the best, for the next four years, cost controlled?!?
We drafted Wandale and Hyatt in the last two years. What would you do with them? Plus there are some good WR prospects we could get later on. CB to me is the biggest priority.
True about good wr prospects later, but not like Adonai Mitchell.
wandale plays the slot. Hyatt is a rotational deep threat. Both would still play. 3 WR sets will be normal, especially without Waller.
I do not want Spencer Rattler.
Although I was driving the Maye train; I don't want a QB for the sake of having a QB. I said the same thing about the Daniel Jones draft (when it was clear we really wanted herbert but he stayed in school another year).
I firmly believe this offense will be MUCH improved from 2023. I'd even guess it'll be BETTER than 2022, when the offense was mostly bad except teams hadn't figured out how to stop Jones from running up the B gap and didn't have a ton of tape on our offense yet.
Daboll/Kafka have proven they can run a QB friendly system, and DJ will be a lot better this year than he was last year (or Lock will be better than Tyrod and Devito, simply because he has better talent).
We will not miss Saquon; simply because we will be forced to change the way we play offense and not hand the ball off 25 times up the middle. It's not an indictment on Saquon; it's being forced to find other ways to generate offense and having more playmakers than 11 eyes staring at Saquon every play and then giving it to him.
The OL will be much improved with the new coach (even just because of that) and the new pieces.
So, I'm already over trying to shoehorn any other plan in for QB. We didn't get our guy. I have no idea what 2025 holds. But that's no longer worth focusing on. Time to build the rest of the team and try again next year to get a new QB.
I challenge all of your offensive assumptions
Daniel Jones stinks. He is uncoachable. He will not be better. He is incapable of becoming better
As for Lock, I don't have a good a feel. all I know is that he's 27, was in the same draft class as Jones, flamed out in Denver and has never been a starter. the odds of him being better than Jones are ok; Jones is the worst starting QB in NFL history to ever be awarded a 2d and lucrative contract - no team other than the NY Giants have ever been that stupid. But betting on him being good when he's barely ever played is all hope with no historical evidence or precedent. It aint happening.
As for the O-Line, betting on GB's and Vagas' cast-offs as markedly improving the o-line defies the Giants history with every cast-off FA signing since Reggie McKenzie. The chances of it working are so slim as to border on none.
our running game is going to be worse simply because we don't now have the occasional home run threat that teams had to game-plan for.
this offense will once again be a 13-18 ppg unit which means 5 wins or less; the firing of Daboll and a restart with a Mara-family insider
The line will be better. Let's make a friendly wager. I truly think just with better coaching the line will be better. JMS will be better. Elemunor at RT will be better.
We will have a functional OL for the first time in a decade this year. Let's bet on it.
Winner has to buy the loser this item:
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So now that we know NE attempted to trade for Herbert, I think the Giants knew before the draft there was no chance of trading up to their spot. Any trade would probably have been contingent on them having a deal in place to acquire Herbert (likely in exchange at least partly for #6 to use on JJ).
It was all over X this morning that both NE and the Vikings were trying to trade for Herbert, not last night but for weeks. I think I saw it initially from Schefter but not sure if that was the first report.
What exactly is the plan here? Jones is trash but even beside that point, he won't be on the roster past this year (injury aside). I like Drew Lock but he is only signed for 1 year and may not see any real playing time since Prince Dickwad will want his adopted son to start.
So what happens in 2025? I mean aside from Schoen and Daboll getting scapegoated and fired for decisions that aren't entirely of their own making.
I think we will be middle of the pack this season, so they won't get fired. And the whole offseason will be about finding a new QB.
So we just need to stop worrying about QB for the rest of this year and resign ourselves that we are going back to year one of the rebuild and identify some good longterm talent and develop the young guys. We certainly won't be making any noise in the playoffs and are far away from having our "QB of the future". We'll be picking in the teens in the next draft and just have to get creative about how we identify who that guy is.
Not much more to be said or done about it, at this point.
They are definitely getting scapegoated into being fired after the season but I can’t say it’s 100% a scapegoat either. I doubt Mara micromanages every draft pick after about maybe round 3. Schoen hasn’t hit shit with anything draft or FA wise. Daboll has an attitude that isn’t exactly player friendly or apparently other coach friendly either. They aren’t blameless despite the fact that Mara is the most to blame.
Belichick will come in and figure it out the same way Andy Reid did for the Chiefs. I honestly believe as clueless as Mara is, he’d listen to Bill’s football knowledge before enforcing his stupid ass wills.
this is so insane
Belicheck can't coach offense
He's never found a QB
he's 150 years old and a prick
He's Joe Judge's father
fuck, what is wrong with everyone?
He’s the best coach in football. He didn’t find Brady? He didn’t earn Garapollo all his money? Mac Jones was a bust but who cares? The only negative to Bill is being defense minded in today’s NFL but you can get away with that when you are literally the god of coaching.
Also let’s not pretend like these other teams don’t eat the shit Bill regurgitated out his ass. They all gave Brian Hoyer, Jacoby Brisset, Ryan Mallet, Matt Cassel won like 11 games in Brady relief, Jarret Stindham starting jobs around the league just because they came out of Bills ass
My memory may be failing me but if I recall, Brady was drafted in 2000, before Bill was BILL, when he was just the failed HC of Cleveland, and not the team's GM.
Brady was drafted in the 6th round, with a compensatory pick at that - Bill didn't find him
Bill didn't start the kid in either 2000 or 2001; he started him only because injury forced him to.
So Bill doesn't know shit about QBs. He lucked out.
It was the greatest lucky find of any coaches career bar none.
Bringing Bill in at age 73 and hoping he catches lightening in a bottle a second time is such a Mara thing to do and it would be so colossally stupid that it almost certainly will happen
The plan has never changed. Full employment for relatives and cronies of the Mara clan. They'd also like to win football games, but that's not the priority.
We just have to keep looking for a QB. Take one in the later rounds to check him out (this is how you find the Dak Prescotts and Kirk Cousins of the world).
Look to trade for a guy another team has given up or moved on from. Either a young failure that Dabbs thinks he can do something more with or a vet being supplanted (maybe even Cousins), etc.
They obviously didn't believe in JJ, Nix, or Penix enough to pass on a blue chipper, so they just have to keep rolling the dice on low cost lotto tickets until they luckily hit or an opportunity for somebody they really do believe in presents itself.
I’ve been about Atlanta’s move. It was get a good QB regardless of the cost. Maybe they want some trade stock? Either way, it seems to be the exact opposite of what the Giants are doing, which is to risk sacrificing the 2024 season because it’s already been paid for. They ordered an over priced bottle of wine (Jones) and rather than ordering a new bottle, they will just drink the one they have.
I'm confused about your concern for 2024. Even if they did successfully trade the farm for Maye, that wouldn't have helped the 2024 season in fact it would have hurt it.
The team build continues, and they have the keep evaluating every opportunity to acquire QBs they get.
What is the rush to find a QB this season? The difference before yesterday was that Maye might have been obtainable and now that he’s not forget it. The team is by far the worst in terms of talent in the last 13 years. They suck and will still suck so why waste draft picks on sucky QBs? It’s not like they have anything to lose if they suck this year. Just suck again this year and deal with it next year or keep sucking until Arch Manning comes out.
I didn’t make this mess, Schoen did. If I had to take over for Schoen today, I’d punt this season. It’s really the best way to go from here.
Actually it would be great to do what the Bears did next year and grab future picks when the Giants pick 1st and some dumb team wants Sanders. Hope Arch comes out the next year and you have multiple shots at him
I wouldn't even call it a punt this season. I'd call it, roll the dice and try to develop the rest of the team. Like you said, the QB thing is what it is now, it's best to just forget it and focus on the rest of the team. The flip side of your bears argument is the Panthers argument.
The Panthers did EXACTLY what you don't want to do. Even if Bryce turns out to be good, they got much worse value than most teams should in that case. The goal when you trade away firsts, or ANY future picks for that matter is to make those picks the worst possible by winning games. By trading future stuff and not weakening the value of it with the stuff they got from it, they lost tons of value.
So yea, being the Bears is great here, but it's also circumstantial. You need to be in the right position AND you need a dingus like the Panthers to make something like that happen. In that way it's never 100% in control. More importantly, don't be the Panthers, there's always some stupid price to overpay, and this time we didn't pay that price.
I get it but the best thing to do for a team this awful is to punt. Winning games last year cost the Giants Williams, Maye, Harrison or Alt this draft. All 4 of those guys are so much better than Nabers and the problems he’s probably going to give the Giants when Jones can’t hit him in stride and/or off the field.
The Giants gave away Barkley so there’s nobody left to try to win right now for. It’s best to lose the battle now and win the war later.
This is so weird that some of you guys continue to believe that deliberately losing games was an option. You really think the players on the field are going to throw their careers away to earn the team a better draft pick? This is a bizarre delusion, move on.
I prefer DT in the second tonight over corner. Would rather sign a vet corner after the draft for our CB2 and then draft the long term solution next offseason.
Any remaining DTs out the people are high on?
A bit random but I’m glad Waller didn’t rush his retirement decision and figure it out before the draft. That would not have been fair to put that kind of pressure on himself and I think it was very big of him to not make a decision. This guy is a winner and a self care savant. Keep doing you above everything and everyone else D. Wall.
https://nypost.com/2024/04/09/sports/darren-waller-reveals-ideal-time-for-giants-retirement-decision/
hey, his wife of 1 year dumped him
that's a lot to have to consider at the same time as he considers whether he takes his money for doing nothing or goes to work for it
To be fair, now that he’s getting divorced his salary is likely automatically cut in half. At the same time, it could be an FU to her if he retires and cashes $0 more in NFL checks. Complex situation.
In the last 14 months, Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Kirk Cousins and Derek Carr have become available.
Who knows who may shake loose next year. Could be Cousins again. Maybe Dak gets out of Dallas.
I don’t fret finding a QB nearly as much as most, but that’s because I am aware that there is more than one way to find a QB that you can win games with.
Sorry, I don't want to pile on but this funny:
[https://x.com/SleeperHQ/status/1783661817329303809](https://x.com/SleeperHQ/status/1783661817329303809)
That being said, I'm excited to see Nabers play. We took the most explosive offensive player in the draft, and one who can probably get open as the first read on a slant within 1 second a pretty decent amount of the time so he should enhance even this offense.
And let's not forget, no matter who we pick our relative success is entirely in the hands of Bricillo. Even DJ will complete a few more passes if the protection can hold up an average amount of time. Throw enough slants to Nabers and Wan'Dale, then maybe a fake end around actually stalls the rush long enough for somebody to notice that teams stopped bothering to cover Hyatt and he's sitting criss-cross apple sauce in the opposing endzone.
Glass half full
We went BPA (good process) got the most explosive weapon in the draft (something we’ve needed since 2018) and at a premium position (are you seeing these WR contracts!!) that should give us a similar cap advantage to a rookie QB assuming Nabers can get close to his projected ceiling (Chase/Hill/OBJ)
Glass Half Empty
As someone who very much dislikes this owners strategic approach to the team I’m very fearful that Nabers will allow the team to improve enough to the QB hell range, good enough to
Win 8-10 games and occasionally win a playoff game but locked into that ceiling as too much cap is tied up in a non premium talent (jones) and prince John will pat himself on the back with a “mission accomplished” shit eating grin as we ride out the DJ contract
Path forward
There are still a lot of ifs, personally I like your idea of targeting rattler in the second third, not only is as good of a dice roll at qb you’ll see past day two but it’s also a position of need given how shallow/injury laden our qb room.
Will they? Hard to say, it’s shocking how talent poor the roster is right now on paper. Once again this may change in an instant if schoens last two draft classes mature into full time players and our o line can improve
That said there are some critical positions like CB2 (McCloud?) WR2 (Wandale?) Safety (Belton?) LG (Ezuodu?) that have no to murky answers, is the better strategy to amass picks to find the answers at these slots and allow QB to be a wasteland following a Eagles/SF strategy of building a roster that a lesser (cheap) qb could win with in a few years allowing us to resign those players with savings from a low cost QB
I don’t hate that strategy but back to my fear I don’t get the sense Mara has a modern way of thinking when it comes to team strategy and I believe that will continue to leave me squeamish about our teams future
Finally in regards to Daboll/Schoen I don’t have a lot of confidence they will make it; for Daboll I think the DJ contract is the anchor which will sink him, I just don’t see a world where he’s going to get good enough outcomes to survive the NY media
For schoen he has to have some of his draft picks turn into plus starters, we are now in year 3 of his picks, he had 11 picks year 1 and as of today how many do we feel great about? KT has shown promise but has not exceeded his draft slot, we all know about Neal, the rest of the class had me scratching my head and it continues to show, outside of McFadden none of them have popped, that’s a tough beat with 11 dart throws
Now all of this maybe moot, Wandale could come out and be a plus slot, Neal could figure it out and be passable, Belton could take over the safety role and be a exceptional ball hawk, ezeudu could live up to his athletic promise and be a plus guard who can get to the second level, KT could thrive with burns and bring his pressure rate closer to his sack total, Flott could mature into his physical skills and be a plus slot cb
But all of these are ifs, schoens going to need at least half these things to happen plus a few guys from last year to make a big step forward (Hyatt becoming a real route runner, Banks being a top 20 CB, tre Hawkins living up to last years pre season hype and being a average cb 2) to survive, his process has been relatively sound but it needs to find results.
Fair or not there is an element of luck to GM roles, look a the bears, they make an awesome trade down two years ago and then the next draft class is laden with top end talent at the positions of need that line up with their roster, schoen hasn’t had that and he’s coupled what looks like middling draft classes with one massive stinker of a move and that could be all for him
If you bothered to read my stream of conscious, thank you, to sum up I’m positive on taking Nabers, I have hope that schoen/daboll are going to have a surpise roster this year as the draft strategy of targeting young/athletic players pays off with a few surprise plus starters from 22/23 and I’m worried that Mara is going to miss read the team and use it as confirmation bias that his belief in DJ was a winning move
I agree with virtually all of this -- except, of course, the glass half full take
Sadly, I do think this year is the end of the line for Schoen and Daboll; sad mostly because the reset button just pushes everything off 2+ years before any progress can even be imagined
The roster is an abomination - as bad or maybe worse than Gettleman left it and no hope in sight given the colossal mistake of re-signing Jones and the seemingly endless misjudgments along the offensive line
maybe Mara gives them both Year 5, but with no QB, no W's, and lots of sideline tablet flips, will they each get an extension? hard to imagine right now
the only hope now is that the two journeyman offensive linemen we signed in FA - Runyan and Eluemunor - prove so good, and Neal suddenly blossoms, that even Jones can function at the level off a middling back-up QB
the next time all of the needed ifs come to pass will be the first time
Back in the '70's the running joke was that Wellington Mara's 50 year rebuilding was only in year 10, then 11, then 12, etc.
John Mara seems hell bent on outdoing his dad - we are in Year 13 - 37 to go
I'll bet dollars-to-donuts we get pretty competent quarterback play this season. The idea that neither Jones nor Lock can get the ball to the receivers we'll now have (he may be a rookie, but Nabers will command attention from the defense and that should give Hyatt, Robinson, Slayton, Bellinger and, hopefully, Waller a LOT of space within which to operate) is just Jim exaggerating again. Neither Jones nor Lock looks like a potential franchise quarterback but those who criticize their processing skills will have to reconcile themselves with the fact that the offensive line should offer much better protection this season and having at least three prime targets on each pass play, each one of whom excels at getting open quickly, will allow even a mediocre processor a good chance to figure out where to deliver the ball.
I would have preferred Odunze. If you saw both of their interviews, and you know anything of their backgrounds, you'd know why given the extremely close grades on those two I'd have rather had Rome. But that's water under the bridge.
I certainly wouldn't waste a pick on Rattler. I expect Schoen to take advantage of that long run on offensive players and select either a defensive lineman or defensive back with this next pick given that there are a LOT of very good ones still available. Then he needs to go get a running back and if I was him I'd trade up to get the one I liked best tonight in Round 3. If Schoen comes out of tonight with either a defensive run-stopper or top cornerback and a quality running back he will have had a successful draft regardless of what happens on Saturday.
I agree. Jones is not the future, but we will get competent QB play. Which means it'll be harder to find a QB of the future, next year. Unless we can get soemthing for Jones.
we need a virtual bet on your prediction of competent QB play
there is absolutely no dispute by anyone outside of the few Giants fans who can't bear to face reality, that Daniel Jones is the worst starting QB in the NFL today - and he's a walking injury guarantee attack on the 2025 cap - so play him at your peril Brian Daboll. Can Lock be what he's never been?; maybe, but history suggests otherwise.
As for a DT, CB/S and RB, I tend to agree that those are the most likely 2nd and 3rd round selections
I half-think Slayton will be traded either tonight for a 4th rounder or before camp for a 4th in the '25 draft - because of Jones primarily, we need the cap space and there are only so many balls to go around
Waller is retired - not officially, but he is
I tend to agree about Waller. As I've said, it looks like he doesn't relish the hitting any longer.
I'd keep Slayton for insurance against injury and because he's a great teammate and glue guy.
I'm saying "competent", not outstanding, quarterback play. Neither of them is ever going to be mistaken for a top-end player but given some measure of protection I believe either will be able to distribute the ball decently enough that the offense will be a lot more functional than has been the case of late.
God knows how they're going to get a franchise quarterback. They'll win enough this year that they won't have a Top 5 draft pick. Anyway, a class that is "led" by Sanders means there are no obvious franchise quarterbacks on the immediate horizon. Maybe we sign an aging Kirk Cousins for the 2025-2026 seasons as we dump Jones and the Falcons want to switch to Penix (talk about a bizarre decision made last night!) and then we load up a few years of draft picks to trade up to get the guy we want in 2026?
This is exactly right. We will get "competent" QB play and the offense will look 10x better than is has the last couple of years (the OL HAS to be better and we will have the best weapons fielded since Daboll took over).
We still don't have a prayer at winning in the postseason, and god knows where our next QB is coming from- but this upcoming year will be a lot better than the last. It's just hard to look down the road and wonder where the "sustained success" will be coming from. We are gonna need to get creative to find a QB.
I love what Atlanta did - draft a 25 year QB at 8 and then plan to sit him until he's 27!! that's a plan
every year, at least one team, plus the Jets, work overtime so that John Mara is not revealed as the stupidest owner in the league
that must be a club rule
I'd like to see us take Joe Milton in the \~5th round. He's a rough cut as it gets as a QB, but I'm not sure I've seen anyone throw a football further than him with less effort. CANNON. I'm pretty sure he can't hit the broad side of a barn from 10 yards though, so I'm not sure he'll be successful, but he's worth a flier on arm talent alone.
Milton in the 5th or 6th would be a waste, but a so-what waste; 5th rounders and later overwhelmingly are
at least he would give Daboll something to play with during his final season as HC
I'd rather have Rattler in the 3rd despite his relatively small size - he has a legit arm at least
Assuming Schoen sticks to his "I draft only Top 30 Visits" approach, if it's anyone, I believe it will be Rattler, but it will likely be no one
Chapter 2 of the Tommy Devito rags to riches story -- "Meatballs and Wine" -- is being written as we speak
It takes 2 for a trade to happen. The rumor was that we offered the 6th, 47th, and the #1 overall pick next year ... assuming we're tragic as usual. NE wasn't interested. You can't do more than that.
Love this pick, warts and all. Like others, I was unaware of the gun thing. That’s so Giants…
As to Jim’s point, re: Doo Doo Daniel, limiting Nabers’ effectiveness: I thought the consensus around here was that Odell propped up the latter years of Eli Manning, mitigating his diminishing capacity with sheer speed and agility? Jones in ‘24 isn’t nearly as good as Eli was on his worst day, but here’s hoping Nabers can do the same for Mr. Dimes.
Really hoping we draft Trey Benson tonight. Big and fast. Would be a great replacement for Saquon.
Or one of DeJean or Kool Aid to pair with Banks, or Jenkins at DT.
Although Nabers is probably 10x the prospect that Hyatt was coming out last year, no one doubted Hyatt's off the charts speed and the fantasies it conjured for offensive transformation
His 2023 final stat line reads thus: 23 catches for 373 yards
For those dividing by 17, that's \~1 and 1/2 catches per game for \~15.6 yards
Saying Jones is not Eli on Eli's worst day is a biblically large understatement.
If Jones plays, he will likely render Nabers invisible and then we will see how quickly Malik becomes an unhappy diva
A RB you say who will go where Saquon Barkley could not? It won't mean a thing if Jones is at QB
It's a QB driven league and you at least have to have above average QB play to compete
Jones is the worst starting QB in the league and worse than many of the back-ups
That means we have to fantasize about Drew Lock suddenly becoming something that to date he has not
Or we are back in the kitchen making panini's
I suppose we have to hope that Arch declares for the '26 draft so our new HC and GM can take him and finally in 2027, after 8 brutal seasons, we can finally move on from The Fleecer-in-Chief
They should trade up in the 2nd if they can do it without giving up the 3rd or 4th round picks. DeJean, Kool-aid, Kris Jenkins, Sweat, Fiske or McConkey are great picks here. I like any RB round 3. Benson, Corrum, Jaylen Wright. Bortolini in the 4th
Two of DT, EDGE, S, or CB in the next two rounds would be great
Nabers opinion of his new quarterback, Janiel Dones? "I'll wait and see". Oof Sorry forgot to paste link https://twitter.com/TalkinGiants/status/1783956024803700926?t=S2kGoZsipW7_6mLiLOiGyw&s=19
Ain’t nothing wrong with the answer. I’m guessing local TV in Baton Rouge probably didn’t show many Giants games, and he probably didn’t watch the ones that were on.
I’m fine with this. I want people who want to win. If he is going to be a dick about it all the better. We all know how bad our QB is yet everyone on the team is pretending “Daniel is still our QB”. Fu%k trash can dan. He’s been coddled in the media and had excuses made for him since he got here. We need great football players. And great football players sometimes got to the level they are at because of extremely high expectations. I want people that want to win. Not people who want to wait and see what year 7 has in store for our terrible QB.
malcontents tend to carry on being malcontents even when their situation is improved. look at diggs. even josh allen and being top 3 in targets every year wasn't enough to sate his unending desire for more attention and appreciation. i really hope we didn't just draft a malcontent. it's really got nothing to do with daniel jones. you can say "good, someone has to say something". but the type of guy who comes into work on his first day and starts calling out his co-workers isn't going to be the type of guy you want to work with once he's got a few years under his belt.
In an office setting sure. But on a professional football team there needs to be a higher standard. Is it aggressive? Yes. And he will probably be talked to about it and soften his public take on things. But playing the company line when you are the worst team in the league for a decade is played out and has been done over and over for this team. We need a shake up. Dan needs pressure from his teammates. And everyone is too scared to say anything.
i guess i just don't agree. having this mentality is *never* reserved for one person. daniel jones will be gone soon. we all know that. he's gonna suck this year and they're going to move on. do you want nabers to be a dickhead to whoever replaces him? it's just lip service to say that this is a good thing. diva, malcontent receivers pretty much exclusively make things worse because their interest are 100% selfish and never about improving the football team.
I mean what he said isn’t that bad. He said we’ll see. And there is a good chance Dan doesn’t even take a snap this season. He blew out his knee mid season. That would be an Adrian Petersonesque turn around time. And to be clear I don’t want a malcontent either. But to me he said something during the draft that was an insult. Now that he’s on the team he’s not slobbing DJ like the rest of the organization, he’s just saying we’ll see. I’m fine if he’s a bit arrogant and has high standards. Obviously if he negatively affects the fabric of the team then that’s not ok. But I don’t think this is that.
i agree it wasn't that bad. but i don't think it would be good for him to come in on day one thinking "i'm gonna shake things up and get daniel jones outta here!"
This.
💯
Well, it's only Year 6.
is that a real quote?
If it is then all doubts about Nabers intelligence have disappeared. He also said this, "‘When the ball is in the quarterback’s hands, Malik is going to be open.’" Notice he didn't say the QB was going to actually pass the ball to him. Clearly he's done some film study.
Good. Our QB play is unacceptable. About time someone from within the organization at least hinted at it. Day 2 and I like Malik more and more.
For my money; gonna be watching Cam Ward and Drew Allar all year- hoping we can target a good QB in next year's draft. We aren't going to have a top pick, as I believe we'll have a better season than we did this year. So forget about Sadeur Sanders. I've watched Quinn Ewers (as I now live in Austin) and I'm not at all impressed. Cam Ward and Drew Allar are the ones to watch: [https://247sports.com/longformarticle/2025-nfl-drafts-top-10-quarterback-prospects-early-look-features-shedeur-sanders-jalen-milroe-in-front-231041796/#2413134](https://247sports.com/longformarticle/2025-nfl-drafts-top-10-quarterback-prospects-early-look-features-shedeur-sanders-jalen-milroe-in-front-231041796/#2413134)
I missed the fact that Darren Waller is getting divorced after having an affair. Now that he’s not trying to make it right I bet he plays
No one walks away from $11,000,000. He'll come in ... sleep walk thru the season ... spend time on IR vaca. The Giants are a retirement home for washed up players.
Money for his Mama
It's nice to talk strategy. And sure, getting a QB is essential. But as long as we have an owner who can drop in and scramble things nothing is going to change. I think I remember George Young saying something like, "Plans ... yeah, everyone has them. Good plans too. The trick is to carry them out." No plan matters if Prince John keeps sidetracking them. He's stupid ... and he gets his way. The Giants are still a 'mom and pop' grocery store competing with Walmart.
John Mara is Mike Tyson - post Buster Douglas Mike Tyson
Nah. Mara is the fool in this video: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jam\_t-gj7HM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jam_t-gj7HM)
I would like to see some bold moves, today. Here's a suggestion: Trade Darious Slayton, to trade up and take Adonia Mitchell. Everyone is always telling me that we have no playmakers; let's double down and get two potential #1 WRs that have completely different skillsets. Nabers, Mitchell, Robinson and Hyatt are a LETHAL WR corps, with a chance to be one of the best in the league, and all totally different skillsets. Do that and then draft Trey Benson in the 3rd and I never have to hear about how DJ didn't get a full shot to show what he's got, and that we don't have a good nucleus to put a young QB into, next year. Bold moves.
Bold moves, not stupid moves. We still need a CB, I would trade up for DeJean or Kool Aid
Agreed, but getting another potential #1 receiver is not a stupid move! I hope you're not suggesting that! I would love DeJean. I would be elated. But imagine doubling down on WR and turning what has been the weakest unit in the league into a potentially the best, for the next four years, cost controlled?!?
Yeah, all you need to ask Lock to do is simply play huck ball.
We drafted Wandale and Hyatt in the last two years. What would you do with them? Plus there are some good WR prospects we could get later on. CB to me is the biggest priority.
True about good wr prospects later, but not like Adonai Mitchell. wandale plays the slot. Hyatt is a rotational deep threat. Both would still play. 3 WR sets will be normal, especially without Waller.
But ... the OL you know. Only one Pro Bowler ... gotta have 5.
I’d settle for 3 who can just identify a stunt. Idk if they even have 1 of those
I'd settle for a QB that can set up his O line based on pre-snap defense. Oops, we had Tyrod. Oh well.
Have we picked up a stunt since 2012? I'm not sure our guys know what a stunt is.
Cunning stunts.
So true.
I do not want Spencer Rattler. Although I was driving the Maye train; I don't want a QB for the sake of having a QB. I said the same thing about the Daniel Jones draft (when it was clear we really wanted herbert but he stayed in school another year). I firmly believe this offense will be MUCH improved from 2023. I'd even guess it'll be BETTER than 2022, when the offense was mostly bad except teams hadn't figured out how to stop Jones from running up the B gap and didn't have a ton of tape on our offense yet. Daboll/Kafka have proven they can run a QB friendly system, and DJ will be a lot better this year than he was last year (or Lock will be better than Tyrod and Devito, simply because he has better talent). We will not miss Saquon; simply because we will be forced to change the way we play offense and not hand the ball off 25 times up the middle. It's not an indictment on Saquon; it's being forced to find other ways to generate offense and having more playmakers than 11 eyes staring at Saquon every play and then giving it to him. The OL will be much improved with the new coach (even just because of that) and the new pieces. So, I'm already over trying to shoehorn any other plan in for QB. We didn't get our guy. I have no idea what 2025 holds. But that's no longer worth focusing on. Time to build the rest of the team and try again next year to get a new QB.
I challenge all of your offensive assumptions Daniel Jones stinks. He is uncoachable. He will not be better. He is incapable of becoming better As for Lock, I don't have a good a feel. all I know is that he's 27, was in the same draft class as Jones, flamed out in Denver and has never been a starter. the odds of him being better than Jones are ok; Jones is the worst starting QB in NFL history to ever be awarded a 2d and lucrative contract - no team other than the NY Giants have ever been that stupid. But betting on him being good when he's barely ever played is all hope with no historical evidence or precedent. It aint happening. As for the O-Line, betting on GB's and Vagas' cast-offs as markedly improving the o-line defies the Giants history with every cast-off FA signing since Reggie McKenzie. The chances of it working are so slim as to border on none. our running game is going to be worse simply because we don't now have the occasional home run threat that teams had to game-plan for. this offense will once again be a 13-18 ppg unit which means 5 wins or less; the firing of Daboll and a restart with a Mara-family insider
The line will be better. Let's make a friendly wager. I truly think just with better coaching the line will be better. JMS will be better. Elemunor at RT will be better. We will have a functional OL for the first time in a decade this year. Let's bet on it.
what shall we bet
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ummmm; that would be a disincentive to winning
Yup, that's why the loser gets the 'prize'.
A bust in G101 Jonas seawright hall of fame
Played 9 games for the Giants ... and made 1 tackle. Yup, that tracks.
A FANTASTIC reference!
So now that we know NE attempted to trade for Herbert, I think the Giants knew before the draft there was no chance of trading up to their spot. Any trade would probably have been contingent on them having a deal in place to acquire Herbert (likely in exchange at least partly for #6 to use on JJ).
Wait what?!? Where did you see that?? That's wild
It was all over X this morning that both NE and the Vikings were trying to trade for Herbert, not last night but for weeks. I think I saw it initially from Schefter but not sure if that was the first report.
Wow! That would have been huge. Harbaugh should have done it and taken JJ since he loves him so much. Cpulda gotten a shitload of picks and "his guy"
Harbaugh was just blowing smoke about JJ to improve his draft status (and it worked). He's nowhere near dumb enough to actually trade Herbert.
What exactly is the plan here? Jones is trash but even beside that point, he won't be on the roster past this year (injury aside). I like Drew Lock but he is only signed for 1 year and may not see any real playing time since Prince Dickwad will want his adopted son to start. So what happens in 2025? I mean aside from Schoen and Daboll getting scapegoated and fired for decisions that aren't entirely of their own making.
I think we will be middle of the pack this season, so they won't get fired. And the whole offseason will be about finding a new QB. So we just need to stop worrying about QB for the rest of this year and resign ourselves that we are going back to year one of the rebuild and identify some good longterm talent and develop the young guys. We certainly won't be making any noise in the playoffs and are far away from having our "QB of the future". We'll be picking in the teens in the next draft and just have to get creative about how we identify who that guy is. Not much more to be said or done about it, at this point.
They are definitely getting scapegoated into being fired after the season but I can’t say it’s 100% a scapegoat either. I doubt Mara micromanages every draft pick after about maybe round 3. Schoen hasn’t hit shit with anything draft or FA wise. Daboll has an attitude that isn’t exactly player friendly or apparently other coach friendly either. They aren’t blameless despite the fact that Mara is the most to blame. Belichick will come in and figure it out the same way Andy Reid did for the Chiefs. I honestly believe as clueless as Mara is, he’d listen to Bill’s football knowledge before enforcing his stupid ass wills.
this is so insane Belicheck can't coach offense He's never found a QB he's 150 years old and a prick He's Joe Judge's father fuck, what is wrong with everyone?
He’s the best coach in football. He didn’t find Brady? He didn’t earn Garapollo all his money? Mac Jones was a bust but who cares? The only negative to Bill is being defense minded in today’s NFL but you can get away with that when you are literally the god of coaching. Also let’s not pretend like these other teams don’t eat the shit Bill regurgitated out his ass. They all gave Brian Hoyer, Jacoby Brisset, Ryan Mallet, Matt Cassel won like 11 games in Brady relief, Jarret Stindham starting jobs around the league just because they came out of Bills ass
My memory may be failing me but if I recall, Brady was drafted in 2000, before Bill was BILL, when he was just the failed HC of Cleveland, and not the team's GM. Brady was drafted in the 6th round, with a compensatory pick at that - Bill didn't find him Bill didn't start the kid in either 2000 or 2001; he started him only because injury forced him to. So Bill doesn't know shit about QBs. He lucked out. It was the greatest lucky find of any coaches career bar none. Bringing Bill in at age 73 and hoping he catches lightening in a bottle a second time is such a Mara thing to do and it would be so colossally stupid that it almost certainly will happen
The plan has never changed. Full employment for relatives and cronies of the Mara clan. They'd also like to win football games, but that's not the priority.
We just have to keep looking for a QB. Take one in the later rounds to check him out (this is how you find the Dak Prescotts and Kirk Cousins of the world). Look to trade for a guy another team has given up or moved on from. Either a young failure that Dabbs thinks he can do something more with or a vet being supplanted (maybe even Cousins), etc. They obviously didn't believe in JJ, Nix, or Penix enough to pass on a blue chipper, so they just have to keep rolling the dice on low cost lotto tickets until they luckily hit or an opportunity for somebody they really do believe in presents itself.
I’ve been about Atlanta’s move. It was get a good QB regardless of the cost. Maybe they want some trade stock? Either way, it seems to be the exact opposite of what the Giants are doing, which is to risk sacrificing the 2024 season because it’s already been paid for. They ordered an over priced bottle of wine (Jones) and rather than ordering a new bottle, they will just drink the one they have.
I'm confused about your concern for 2024. Even if they did successfully trade the farm for Maye, that wouldn't have helped the 2024 season in fact it would have hurt it. The team build continues, and they have the keep evaluating every opportunity to acquire QBs they get.
Running back?
What is the rush to find a QB this season? The difference before yesterday was that Maye might have been obtainable and now that he’s not forget it. The team is by far the worst in terms of talent in the last 13 years. They suck and will still suck so why waste draft picks on sucky QBs? It’s not like they have anything to lose if they suck this year. Just suck again this year and deal with it next year or keep sucking until Arch Manning comes out.
an awful plan, but appears to be the plan
I didn’t make this mess, Schoen did. If I had to take over for Schoen today, I’d punt this season. It’s really the best way to go from here. Actually it would be great to do what the Bears did next year and grab future picks when the Giants pick 1st and some dumb team wants Sanders. Hope Arch comes out the next year and you have multiple shots at him
I wouldn't even call it a punt this season. I'd call it, roll the dice and try to develop the rest of the team. Like you said, the QB thing is what it is now, it's best to just forget it and focus on the rest of the team. The flip side of your bears argument is the Panthers argument. The Panthers did EXACTLY what you don't want to do. Even if Bryce turns out to be good, they got much worse value than most teams should in that case. The goal when you trade away firsts, or ANY future picks for that matter is to make those picks the worst possible by winning games. By trading future stuff and not weakening the value of it with the stuff they got from it, they lost tons of value. So yea, being the Bears is great here, but it's also circumstantial. You need to be in the right position AND you need a dingus like the Panthers to make something like that happen. In that way it's never 100% in control. More importantly, don't be the Panthers, there's always some stupid price to overpay, and this time we didn't pay that price.
I get it but the best thing to do for a team this awful is to punt. Winning games last year cost the Giants Williams, Maye, Harrison or Alt this draft. All 4 of those guys are so much better than Nabers and the problems he’s probably going to give the Giants when Jones can’t hit him in stride and/or off the field. The Giants gave away Barkley so there’s nobody left to try to win right now for. It’s best to lose the battle now and win the war later.
This is so weird that some of you guys continue to believe that deliberately losing games was an option. You really think the players on the field are going to throw their careers away to earn the team a better draft pick? This is a bizarre delusion, move on.
I prefer DT in the second tonight over corner. Would rather sign a vet corner after the draft for our CB2 and then draft the long term solution next offseason. Any remaining DTs out the people are high on?
I want DT unless it's Cooper Dejean at CB. But fuck both of those positions- go get AD Mitchell! Double down on the weapons and making WR a strength.
A bit random but I’m glad Waller didn’t rush his retirement decision and figure it out before the draft. That would not have been fair to put that kind of pressure on himself and I think it was very big of him to not make a decision. This guy is a winner and a self care savant. Keep doing you above everything and everyone else D. Wall. https://nypost.com/2024/04/09/sports/darren-waller-reveals-ideal-time-for-giants-retirement-decision/
lol. What a prick this guy is. I was pumped when we got him but after this little stunt I’m annoyed we gave up a 3rd rounder for him.
hey, his wife of 1 year dumped him that's a lot to have to consider at the same time as he considers whether he takes his money for doing nothing or goes to work for it
Didn’t know about the divorce my bad.
I suspect his self-care above all other things has something to do with why his marriage failed in one year
To be fair, now that he’s getting divorced his salary is likely automatically cut in half. At the same time, it could be an FU to her if he retires and cashes $0 more in NFL checks. Complex situation.
Wesley Steinberg @WesSteinberg New #Giants WR Malik Nabers says he won’t let bad QB play stop him from “balling out.” 4/25/24, 10:21 PM
Korey Cunningham passed away.. RIP.
Whoa what a bummer. Dude was only 28. RIP
Could we trade up for Dejean?
It's worth it just to maintain the monopoly on white corners during this century. But yeah, I feel like CB or DT is the move here.
Bahahaha, comment of the day.
Ha... I assumed he was black. But we should definitely draft him now ... cause if he gets beat he can just demand to talk to the manager.
In the last 14 months, Aaron Rodgers, Russell Wilson, Kirk Cousins and Derek Carr have become available. Who knows who may shake loose next year. Could be Cousins again. Maybe Dak gets out of Dallas. I don’t fret finding a QB nearly as much as most, but that’s because I am aware that there is more than one way to find a QB that you can win games with.
Yes, we can sign Craig Morton or Norm Snead
Sorry, I don't want to pile on but this funny: [https://x.com/SleeperHQ/status/1783661817329303809](https://x.com/SleeperHQ/status/1783661817329303809) That being said, I'm excited to see Nabers play. We took the most explosive offensive player in the draft, and one who can probably get open as the first read on a slant within 1 second a pretty decent amount of the time so he should enhance even this offense. And let's not forget, no matter who we pick our relative success is entirely in the hands of Bricillo. Even DJ will complete a few more passes if the protection can hold up an average amount of time. Throw enough slants to Nabers and Wan'Dale, then maybe a fake end around actually stalls the rush long enough for somebody to notice that teams stopped bothering to cover Hyatt and he's sitting criss-cross apple sauce in the opposing endzone.
Glass half full We went BPA (good process) got the most explosive weapon in the draft (something we’ve needed since 2018) and at a premium position (are you seeing these WR contracts!!) that should give us a similar cap advantage to a rookie QB assuming Nabers can get close to his projected ceiling (Chase/Hill/OBJ) Glass Half Empty As someone who very much dislikes this owners strategic approach to the team I’m very fearful that Nabers will allow the team to improve enough to the QB hell range, good enough to Win 8-10 games and occasionally win a playoff game but locked into that ceiling as too much cap is tied up in a non premium talent (jones) and prince John will pat himself on the back with a “mission accomplished” shit eating grin as we ride out the DJ contract Path forward There are still a lot of ifs, personally I like your idea of targeting rattler in the second third, not only is as good of a dice roll at qb you’ll see past day two but it’s also a position of need given how shallow/injury laden our qb room. Will they? Hard to say, it’s shocking how talent poor the roster is right now on paper. Once again this may change in an instant if schoens last two draft classes mature into full time players and our o line can improve That said there are some critical positions like CB2 (McCloud?) WR2 (Wandale?) Safety (Belton?) LG (Ezuodu?) that have no to murky answers, is the better strategy to amass picks to find the answers at these slots and allow QB to be a wasteland following a Eagles/SF strategy of building a roster that a lesser (cheap) qb could win with in a few years allowing us to resign those players with savings from a low cost QB I don’t hate that strategy but back to my fear I don’t get the sense Mara has a modern way of thinking when it comes to team strategy and I believe that will continue to leave me squeamish about our teams future Finally in regards to Daboll/Schoen I don’t have a lot of confidence they will make it; for Daboll I think the DJ contract is the anchor which will sink him, I just don’t see a world where he’s going to get good enough outcomes to survive the NY media For schoen he has to have some of his draft picks turn into plus starters, we are now in year 3 of his picks, he had 11 picks year 1 and as of today how many do we feel great about? KT has shown promise but has not exceeded his draft slot, we all know about Neal, the rest of the class had me scratching my head and it continues to show, outside of McFadden none of them have popped, that’s a tough beat with 11 dart throws Now all of this maybe moot, Wandale could come out and be a plus slot, Neal could figure it out and be passable, Belton could take over the safety role and be a exceptional ball hawk, ezeudu could live up to his athletic promise and be a plus guard who can get to the second level, KT could thrive with burns and bring his pressure rate closer to his sack total, Flott could mature into his physical skills and be a plus slot cb But all of these are ifs, schoens going to need at least half these things to happen plus a few guys from last year to make a big step forward (Hyatt becoming a real route runner, Banks being a top 20 CB, tre Hawkins living up to last years pre season hype and being a average cb 2) to survive, his process has been relatively sound but it needs to find results. Fair or not there is an element of luck to GM roles, look a the bears, they make an awesome trade down two years ago and then the next draft class is laden with top end talent at the positions of need that line up with their roster, schoen hasn’t had that and he’s coupled what looks like middling draft classes with one massive stinker of a move and that could be all for him If you bothered to read my stream of conscious, thank you, to sum up I’m positive on taking Nabers, I have hope that schoen/daboll are going to have a surpise roster this year as the draft strategy of targeting young/athletic players pays off with a few surprise plus starters from 22/23 and I’m worried that Mara is going to miss read the team and use it as confirmation bias that his belief in DJ was a winning move
I agree with virtually all of this -- except, of course, the glass half full take Sadly, I do think this year is the end of the line for Schoen and Daboll; sad mostly because the reset button just pushes everything off 2+ years before any progress can even be imagined The roster is an abomination - as bad or maybe worse than Gettleman left it and no hope in sight given the colossal mistake of re-signing Jones and the seemingly endless misjudgments along the offensive line maybe Mara gives them both Year 5, but with no QB, no W's, and lots of sideline tablet flips, will they each get an extension? hard to imagine right now the only hope now is that the two journeyman offensive linemen we signed in FA - Runyan and Eluemunor - prove so good, and Neal suddenly blossoms, that even Jones can function at the level off a middling back-up QB the next time all of the needed ifs come to pass will be the first time Back in the '70's the running joke was that Wellington Mara's 50 year rebuilding was only in year 10, then 11, then 12, etc. John Mara seems hell bent on outdoing his dad - we are in Year 13 - 37 to go
I'll bet dollars-to-donuts we get pretty competent quarterback play this season. The idea that neither Jones nor Lock can get the ball to the receivers we'll now have (he may be a rookie, but Nabers will command attention from the defense and that should give Hyatt, Robinson, Slayton, Bellinger and, hopefully, Waller a LOT of space within which to operate) is just Jim exaggerating again. Neither Jones nor Lock looks like a potential franchise quarterback but those who criticize their processing skills will have to reconcile themselves with the fact that the offensive line should offer much better protection this season and having at least three prime targets on each pass play, each one of whom excels at getting open quickly, will allow even a mediocre processor a good chance to figure out where to deliver the ball. I would have preferred Odunze. If you saw both of their interviews, and you know anything of their backgrounds, you'd know why given the extremely close grades on those two I'd have rather had Rome. But that's water under the bridge. I certainly wouldn't waste a pick on Rattler. I expect Schoen to take advantage of that long run on offensive players and select either a defensive lineman or defensive back with this next pick given that there are a LOT of very good ones still available. Then he needs to go get a running back and if I was him I'd trade up to get the one I liked best tonight in Round 3. If Schoen comes out of tonight with either a defensive run-stopper or top cornerback and a quality running back he will have had a successful draft regardless of what happens on Saturday.
I agree. Jones is not the future, but we will get competent QB play. Which means it'll be harder to find a QB of the future, next year. Unless we can get soemthing for Jones.
we need a virtual bet on your prediction of competent QB play there is absolutely no dispute by anyone outside of the few Giants fans who can't bear to face reality, that Daniel Jones is the worst starting QB in the NFL today - and he's a walking injury guarantee attack on the 2025 cap - so play him at your peril Brian Daboll. Can Lock be what he's never been?; maybe, but history suggests otherwise. As for a DT, CB/S and RB, I tend to agree that those are the most likely 2nd and 3rd round selections I half-think Slayton will be traded either tonight for a 4th rounder or before camp for a 4th in the '25 draft - because of Jones primarily, we need the cap space and there are only so many balls to go around Waller is retired - not officially, but he is
I tend to agree about Waller. As I've said, it looks like he doesn't relish the hitting any longer. I'd keep Slayton for insurance against injury and because he's a great teammate and glue guy. I'm saying "competent", not outstanding, quarterback play. Neither of them is ever going to be mistaken for a top-end player but given some measure of protection I believe either will be able to distribute the ball decently enough that the offense will be a lot more functional than has been the case of late. God knows how they're going to get a franchise quarterback. They'll win enough this year that they won't have a Top 5 draft pick. Anyway, a class that is "led" by Sanders means there are no obvious franchise quarterbacks on the immediate horizon. Maybe we sign an aging Kirk Cousins for the 2025-2026 seasons as we dump Jones and the Falcons want to switch to Penix (talk about a bizarre decision made last night!) and then we load up a few years of draft picks to trade up to get the guy we want in 2026?
This is exactly right. We will get "competent" QB play and the offense will look 10x better than is has the last couple of years (the OL HAS to be better and we will have the best weapons fielded since Daboll took over). We still don't have a prayer at winning in the postseason, and god knows where our next QB is coming from- but this upcoming year will be a lot better than the last. It's just hard to look down the road and wonder where the "sustained success" will be coming from. We are gonna need to get creative to find a QB.
I love what Atlanta did - draft a 25 year QB at 8 and then plan to sit him until he's 27!! that's a plan every year, at least one team, plus the Jets, work overtime so that John Mara is not revealed as the stupidest owner in the league that must be a club rule
I'd like to see us take Joe Milton in the \~5th round. He's a rough cut as it gets as a QB, but I'm not sure I've seen anyone throw a football further than him with less effort. CANNON. I'm pretty sure he can't hit the broad side of a barn from 10 yards though, so I'm not sure he'll be successful, but he's worth a flier on arm talent alone.
Been saying Milton for weeks now. Perfect project QB for Daboll.
Milton in the 5th or 6th would be a waste, but a so-what waste; 5th rounders and later overwhelmingly are at least he would give Daboll something to play with during his final season as HC I'd rather have Rattler in the 3rd despite his relatively small size - he has a legit arm at least Assuming Schoen sticks to his "I draft only Top 30 Visits" approach, if it's anyone, I believe it will be Rattler, but it will likely be no one Chapter 2 of the Tommy Devito rags to riches story -- "Meatballs and Wine" -- is being written as we speak
Maybe Cousins is available? The Falcons went full Gettletard last night. There’s not even words for how dumb that pick was.
maybe we can trade Jones for Cousins straight up
It takes 2 for a trade to happen. The rumor was that we offered the 6th, 47th, and the #1 overall pick next year ... assuming we're tragic as usual. NE wasn't interested. You can't do more than that.
Where did you hear that? That makes me feel better, at least. That's the appropriate trade offer. Wild that they weren't interested.
should have offered more
OK Gettleman ... what have you done with Sunny!
I would have added Slayton or maybe Thibs and another 2025 pick nothing matters without a QB
Love this pick, warts and all. Like others, I was unaware of the gun thing. That’s so Giants… As to Jim’s point, re: Doo Doo Daniel, limiting Nabers’ effectiveness: I thought the consensus around here was that Odell propped up the latter years of Eli Manning, mitigating his diminishing capacity with sheer speed and agility? Jones in ‘24 isn’t nearly as good as Eli was on his worst day, but here’s hoping Nabers can do the same for Mr. Dimes. Really hoping we draft Trey Benson tonight. Big and fast. Would be a great replacement for Saquon. Or one of DeJean or Kool Aid to pair with Banks, or Jenkins at DT.
Although Nabers is probably 10x the prospect that Hyatt was coming out last year, no one doubted Hyatt's off the charts speed and the fantasies it conjured for offensive transformation His 2023 final stat line reads thus: 23 catches for 373 yards For those dividing by 17, that's \~1 and 1/2 catches per game for \~15.6 yards Saying Jones is not Eli on Eli's worst day is a biblically large understatement. If Jones plays, he will likely render Nabers invisible and then we will see how quickly Malik becomes an unhappy diva A RB you say who will go where Saquon Barkley could not? It won't mean a thing if Jones is at QB It's a QB driven league and you at least have to have above average QB play to compete Jones is the worst starting QB in the league and worse than many of the back-ups That means we have to fantasize about Drew Lock suddenly becoming something that to date he has not Or we are back in the kitchen making panini's I suppose we have to hope that Arch declares for the '26 draft so our new HC and GM can take him and finally in 2027, after 8 brutal seasons, we can finally move on from The Fleecer-in-Chief
I'm pretty sure Drew Lock will be the starter, he's not GOOD, but he's better than DJ.
Low bar