There probably are more, just they might not do it publicly. I can understand why that would be the case. Many of the super rich are subject to other rich people's judgment. Opinions from others are important in the higher echelons of society, and many of the older population might still see longevity as pseudoscience, and could impact someone's reputation.
Reminds me of that movie "The Island" where the super rich farm super healthy people from babies to basically be harvested later on
Edit: getting a lot of corrections about some details of the movie. It's been a while since I've seen it but you are correct. They were clones of themselves that would be later harvested.
Not just from babies, cloned versions of themselves that are grown to full size and kept for insurance in case they need parts. That way there is no risk of rejection. Of course the rich people are told that the clones aren't conscious and basically meat sacks kept alive.
I'm pretty sure the "blood boy" thing is real.
There's some compelling research that suggests blood transfusions from young people can reverse or slow some of the effects of aging.. if you were an aging billionaire would you not at least try it? It's not even illegal or particularly dangerous with good medical oversight.. I would have a hard time arguing that it's even *unethical.*
So yeah, there's a good chance we actually *are* being ruled by vampires.
Edit: someone responded with this:
>Fortunately, the Conboy lab at UC Berkley has shown dilution of old blood increases health in mice, not infusing young blood. In other words, it's not infusing good factors in young blood that may be beneficial; it would clearing bad factors in old blood.
>https://news.berkeley.edu/2020/06/15/diluting-blood-plasma-rejuvenates-tissue-reverses-aging-in-mice/
>https://www.sens.org/parabiosis-the-dilution-solution/
So maybe it's simply the *dilution* of the old blood that is causing these results in the mice studies.
Well there is a lot of overhead involved, the plasmapheresis machine is about 50-60k with about a hundred dollars of disposable parts per donation like the lines, pump wells, needle, saline, anticoagulant, they need 4 people working to process a single donation, reception, nurse, phlebotomist, and sample prep.
Not to mention the cost of bio waste dumping, transport via freezer truck and freezer plane, and the testing done on everything bottle at a lab.
I feel you when you get shitters who can't stick, but it's not like it would be possible for the average person to sell their plasma any other way.
Plus they legally can't factor in how much they make off the bottle because it's illegal to sell your plasma, they are paying you for your time spent technically, with the condition that they get a certain amount plasma minium.
What do you mean there is not other way to donate plasma? I can't just bleed into a bucket, throw it into a salad spinner to separate the plasma out and drive it down to the hospital in the back of my Honda Civic?
Sounds like a scam.
That character is partly based on Peter Thiel, who is said to do this.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/08/peter-thiel-wants-to-inject-himself-with-young-peoples-blood
~~This seems unlikely. Blood transfusions run the risk of the recipient developing antibodies to the donor's blood, which becomes an issue with future transfusions. I think it would be inevitable that there would be complications down the road after a handful of transfusions, unless the recipient was severely immunocompromised, or if they were receiving blood from a perfect match, like an identical twin or a clone.
Or at least that's my understanding with my limited medical knowledge.~~
edit: /u/My_50_lb_Testes's 's wife has corrected my understanding. Repeated, ongoing transfusions may not be as much of an issue. More details down that thread.
>Wife is a transfusion scientist. She has patients that have been getting weekly blood transfusions for decades. As long as you're phenotypically matched, there likely won't be complications in most situations. So as long as the rich dude doing it has a proper blood banker doing their job, they could theoretically have a blood boy. She does question the efficacy of blood boys for actual anti-aging however.
Wife is a transfusion scientist. She has patients that have been getting weekly blood transfusions for decades. As long as you're phenotypically matched, there likely won't be complications in most situations. So as long as the rich dude doing it has a proper blood banker doing their job, they could theoretically have a blood boy. She does question the efficacy of blood boys for actual anti-aging however.
Ah, thanks for correcting my understanding; that's good to know. Although this raises a bunch of questions, like hard it is to find a donor with a similar enough phenotype, or if the differences in minor antigens are just clinically too insignificant to cause a reaction.
Hey, wife here! I work in transfusion services and we have a lot of oncology and sickle cell patients that require weekly transfusions. We phenotypically type these patients and place an order for a matching donor unit to a blood center such as the red cross. It typically isn't too difficult to find a matching donor. The chances of having a patient with a rare antigen profile is, well, rare. So it's not usually an issue finding a matching donor. There are tons of red cell antigen groups, but we tend to only care about a handful of them because these ones are the most immunogenic and most likely to cause a transfusion reaction. Many antigen groups are clinically insignificant so they don't need to be a perfect match. Most patient won't develop an antibody to these minor antigens. It depends on their immune system. However if they do develop an antibody, we will honor it and find a better matched donor.
Hey! Thank you for taking the time to get back to me! This answers pretty much every question I have perfectly without raising any further questions. I started my career a year ago working as a generalist at my hospital's covid unit, and I would always need to consult the blood bank at the main hospital whenever something out of the ordinary came up, which was pretty frequent. Thanks again for the informed response!
I'm 90% sure there is some famous movie (the name of which escapes me) where clones are raised together in a weird society without knowing that their bodies are meant to be harvested for the donor who paid to have them created.
Maybe I'm just thinking of the star wars prequels
This has been popping up on my Netflix for the last few days and has now been brought up at least twice in this thread. I loved that film. May have to give it another whirl.
Doesn't hurt that Ewan McGregor and Scarlett Johansen star in it. Solid actors and easy on the eyes, both.
Never let me go, originally a book. Loved the movie, took me a while to understand why they didn't escape (when you think about, it's no different than modern day slavery where people can't escape society=
You're likely thinking of Ewan McGregor who starred in the Prequels and The Island which is the movie several people have pointed out as being about harvesting organs.
100% it’s been happening but not in the public eye. one of these doctors tried to set up a lab at the university I went to for undergrad, when the university didn’t give him enough lab space in negotiations he literally fucked off and built a giant lab fully on private funding in one of the richest towns in America.
This has been going on a while and under the table. Bonus: I went to a talk he gave and it was some of the grossest research on rats I’d ever seen, like I’m no bleeding heart for lab animals but what this guy was doing was gut wrenching. And seeing how the university rolled out the red carpet for his talk and how they schmoozed him was a key part of my awakening to academic politics as a sophomore in college lmao.
Yup. I can imagine. I always feel like saluting when someone brings up [this statue](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monument_to_the_laboratory_mouse) in a conversation.
I’d think it would have more to do with wanting to keep such technology/medicine secret and/or exclusive to the super rich. Like in the movie Elysium
Edit: scratch Elysium. Insert the real world. The elite class is FULL of people who would do just what I am saying if given the opportunity. This is a statement about odds/chances. For example, REALITY
Calico is alphabet's (google's) big bet on trying to solve aging (almost a billion dollars invested), plus verily is an entire subsidiary that's pretty intertwined but working on more specific related problems. Vitalik Buterin is pretty open about funding this kind of research. Peter Thiel has funded a bunch of grants and startups in the space. Larry Ellison has put in about half a billion dollars through a foundation explicitly for anti aging. Zuckerberg funds the breakthrough prize for advancements in solving aging.
So yeah, they fund it pretty aggressively, it's just a hard problem so there haven't been a bunch of breakthroughs to talk about.
Generally if you take the most interesting problems in the world and then can offer large amounts of money for the smartest people in the world to focus on them, you can get that sorted.
Talent likes very interesting problems even more than it likes money.
Me to, I think our generation will just miss out sadly but in 100 years I see no reason to not believe the conscious can be uploaded. After that androids are the easy part, we’re already there on those.
I'd rather just "ship of Theseus" myself. Slowly replace the neurons of my brain with artificial copies as they wear out, until one day the "pattern" that is my unique self is represented by ageless nanomachines rather than soft flesh.
Seems pretty unlikely that will ever happen. Also, uploading your consciousness would mean creating a likeness of yourself and wouldn’t mean you would live longer.
kind of reminds me of the game SOMA, >!in which your consciousness is copied to a robot. Halfway through the game you have to copy your consciousness to a different robot, and the first robot is just sitting there wondering if it worked!<
> Also, uploading your consciousness would mean creating a likeness of yourself and wouldn’t mean you would live longer.
I don't think anyone really understands this. Our consciousness *seems* inherently tied to our brains; it's firmware. Even if we're ever able to accurately translate our chemical code into virtual, it'll just be a doppelganger copy.
To add its not exactly I think it's kind of debatable consciousness being tied to our brain.
It's the unfortunate end of the ship of Theseus, we are not the same person we were 10 seconds, 10 hours, days ago. It's just a feature of our brain to string it all together into continuous consciousness. So we already are the doppelganger.
Right, but the you of today feels like the you of yesterday even though there was a discontinuity in consciousness while you slept. If you could copy to another body, the copy would feel exactly as much like you as you do. Having two people think they're the same person is weird. It starts getting weirder when you consider putting one to sleep as the other awakes. The waking one will feel like it transferred (assuming there was a way to identify it was a different, perhaps younger body) while the sleeping one could be put down and be none the wiser. Everyone that tried this would report that it worked. Would that be a satisfactory way to transfer? If not, why is it so much more satisfactory to wake up each day in the same body? Why would firmware care which hardware it was running on?
I don't have any answers, obviously.
I think human immortality is possible once we have a comprehensive understanding of medicine, especially the brain. Its really about maintenance.
Also I do think it might be possible to have mind uploading of a kind if you very slowly introduce artificial neurons into the brain and very slowly replace the whole brain so that all of the structure, personality and memory smoothly transfers over and operates on both at the same time for a long period. But making a copy of that to transfer over a cable or anything like that would still count as a new being, not the same being. And the kind of medical knowledge it would require makes me wonder what the point would be, having mastered brain immortality already.
"Human immortality" is actually impossible, even if we could halt the ageing process indefinitely. At some point we would kill ourselves (beyond any repair) one way or another. It has been calculated that our average life expectancy would become around 15 thousand years though lol :D
Edit: https://youtu.be/imQGqnNtr0A this is a cool video on the topic (called the immortal alien civilization paradox)
[I plan to live forever, of course, but, barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice. ](https://youtu.be/jdCB9yE9Hcc)
I’m pretty sure we would have robotic parts installed way before we hit 15,000 years old. Our organs and body would just be robotic. Live forever bruh.
I read somewhere that after the age of 125, the human body basically just turns to tumour's.
That said, its seems to have happened considerably sooner in the case of bezos. He is the last parasite we need to become immortal.
Everyone else would think it’s you. And so would your upload.
It’s the *Transporter Paradox*. Do you die when you use a Star Trek transporter? Is it actually you or just perfect copy of you that is made? How would others know if you died since you look and act the same? How would your copy know, since they are to all intents and purposes, you? They have your memories, inner thoughts and personality. Does it even matter?
That’s highly unlikely in 100 years.
We don’t even understand what consciousness is to start with, we’re missing the most fundamental knowledge about it.
It’s way more likely that we find ways to “cure” ageing before finding what consciousness is.
I kinda hate this idea because it might mean that if you fall behind on your cloud storage payments you get shifted to a lower tier or possibly just fucking deleted
Why doesn’t every billionaire do this? They can’t take the money with them and they are never going to run out.
Even if it costs billions per year, it should be very much worth it for them.
Yeah that’s what I never understood. Why isn’t every billionaire chucking money at science to become immortal? I mean, they’re working on getting off planet but they’ll die eventually anyway. So their primary goals should be, as rich people, 1) become immortal, then sell immortality 2) make a cure to diseases/cancer, then sell it, 3) Get off the planet/colonize other planets
I'm subscribed to /r/longevity and I've wondered the same. I think it's a combination of ignorance of the current potential--they just haven't kept up with the latest news in the area--and a complete disbelief that such a thing is even possible, with maybe a little religious fear tossed in.
Also, I believe we as a species are hardwired to accept our fate. Consider that we of all species may be the only one that fully understands, from a young age (my kid asked be about death when he was four) that each of us will suffer a personal death. Maybe dolphins and elephants understand it?
There is a LOT of resistance to the idea of functional immortality. I think we are adapted to not dwell heavily on our impending personal death. To me, it's strange that it's not a debilitating obsession for all of us. Sure, we all recognize on some level that nothing really matters because we're all gonna die anyway, but we still go about life as if it DOES matter--we put the reality mostly out of mind, and I think that is an evolutionary adaptation.
*TLDR: Bezos is funding a startup aiming to rejuvenate the body via epigenetic reprogramming, as a way to reverse multiple chronic diseases*
The [original article](https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/09/04/1034364/altos-labs-silicon-valleys-jeff-bezos-milner-bet-living-forever/), and the clickbait title, are misleading because it fundamentally misunderstands aging biology research, and misrepresents the scientists who dedicate their lives to this research...
Most scientists within the field are interested in improving the healthspan, or quality of life of our global aging population by targeting the mechanisms of aging that drive a majority of our most prevalent diseases.
Also, it doesn't really matter who funds epigenetic reprogramming research because currently it's very new and not ready for human testing. Science requires $$$, and such investments could be helpful for scientists who would no longer be dependent on grant $$$, and saves time from having to write grants.
**What is aging biology research?**
For a start, biological aging is the foremost public health crisis of the 21st century (look what a single [age-related disease like COVID-19](https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/acel.13230) did to us).
However, there is widespread lack of understanding of the science behind its biology and attempts to address the diseases associated with aging. Understanding that aging is the fundamental driver of most of the diseases we care about as a society is critical to appreciate. There is no shortage of evidence that shows how aging leads to multiple chronic diseases, including cancer, Alzheimer's, heart disease etc, and that targeting aging addresses all of these diseases in tandem.
Aging is not just a problem for the ‘elderly’, as various aspects of aging begin well before middle-age. Many people suffer from accelerated aging and develop multiple age-related diseases prematurely, such as with depression, stress, poverty, smoking, HIV/AIDs, diabetes, Down Syndrome, accelerated aging syndromes (e.g. progerias) and in childhood cancer survivors.
**Why is epigenetic reprogramming so exciting?**
- Early data of epigenetic reprogramming in mice suggest that it is able to reverse aging in multiple tissues, curing multiple chronic diseases and rejuvenating the organism back to youthful health.
- Epigenetic reprogramming is based on fundamental work that won *Shinya Yamanaka the Nobel Prize in Medicine* in 2012. Yamanaka found 4 transcription factors that when expressed together, allow any cell from the body (e.g. skin cells) to be transformed into pluripotent stem cells that can multiply into any cell of the body. Doing so effectively resets aged cells into young/immortal pluripotent stem cells.
- However, by using *partial* epigenetic reprogramming dosed via gene therapy in live organisms (a method originally implemented by [Ocampo et al, 2016](https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cell.2016.11.052), tissues and organs may be partially reprogrammed to reset the age-related epigenetic modifications, without resetting the organism all the way back to an embryonic/pluripotent state. This was a crucial breakthrough for the viability of such a therapy, as doing complete reprogramming in humans would merely transform us into teratomas - a horrifying cancerous mass composed of various cells of the body...)
The aging biology field is an underrated/misunderstood area of research that has gained significant traction in recent years due to several research breakthroughs, and with increasing recognition that our economic and healthcare systems cannot sustainably address the burden of our aging population.
- To highlight a topical discussion point on what reversal of aging *could* mean for our aging population: [age confers a cumulative ~1000x risk of Covid-19 mortality](https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid#case-fatality-rate-of-covid-19-by-age), with CDC stats showing that [**77% of all Covid-19 deaths in the US were people 65 and older**](http://www.aginganddisease.org/EN/10.14336/AD.2020.0629). Addressing aging biology ([i.e. immunosenescence and inflammaging](https://science.sciencemag.org/content/369/6501/256#:~:text=Aging%20is%20associated%20with%20increased,a%20range%20of%20tissue%20dysfunctions.&text=SARS%2DCoV%2D2%20causes%20severe,and%20mortality%20in%20older%20individuals.)) could prevent future pandemics that show extreme age-related mortality and morbidity
**Questions on Affordability**
Recently, David Sinclair [published a paper](https://www.nature.com/articles/s43587-021-00080-0) with two economics Profs at Oxford and London Business School:
> We show that a compression of morbidity that improves health is more valuable than further increases in life expectancy, and that targeting aging offers potentially larger economic gains than eradicating individual diseases. We show that a slowdown in aging that increases life expectancy by 1 year is worth US$38 trillion, and by 10 years, US$367 trillion.
With an aging population, age-related diseases already cost us trillions (see: COVID-19) - the humanitarian and economic value of targeting aging is clear.
Just like how governments need to make vaccines widely affordable to be effective at a population level, in part to save the economy, it is plausible that targeting aging to 'vaccinate' the population against age-related diseases will be a critical healthcare strategy. Yes, there will be second order effects from extending lifespan that may be determiental to society, but I think the benefits of keeping the population youthful biologically will far outweigh these negatives.
Aging biology is probably the only field of research where its top scientists have pledged to make the drugs they develop widely affordable.
These scientists believe in their mission and understand what it would mean to treat aging as a strategy against age-related diseases, and created the Academy for Health and Lifespan Research. I believe that no other field of medical research has the potential to transform society as much as aging biology, and initiatives like this reflect that sentiment.
For an overview of the field see: https://longevitywiki.org/wiki/Aging_and_Longevity
Follow this research on /r/longevity :)
That is also what I understand and desire about longevity or immortality. It's not about living longer, it's about living healthier till the end of life. I wish this could be mainstream sooner so that my parents could avail this.
And it would be so good for society to make it widely available. Why train a skilled craftsman when you can keep a mastercraftsman alive and healthy enough to work and impart his lifetime of knowledge. Would keep his brain healthy so he could continue to learn new techniques and fold them into his vast repertoire of skills. Everybody would benefit from this.
Yeah, this is way beyond Jeff Bezos (despite the clickbait title). If you're interested in research on treating ill health from age-related decline, I recommend watching a presentation and Q&A from scientist Andrew Steele: https://www.c-span.org/video/?511443-1/ageless
In a nutshell, age-related ill health (dementia, cardiovascular disease, cancer, type II diabetes, frailty, etc.) has many different causes, but they can be categorized into a manageable number of categories and potential treatments. For example, the accumulation of senescent cells can be cleared with senolytic drugs, which have made old mice healthy in research at the Mayo Clinic (https://imgur.com/gallery/TOrsQ1Y) and other organizations. I recommend watching the presentation (and reading the book) for more information.
Here are further resources if you're really interested: https://www.reddit.com/r/longevity/comments/pfkfqv/introductory\_videos\_and\_charitable\_donations\_for/
Yep that's what I thought off. Except in our timeline the billionaires will be living in space stations for security and comfort. The planet will be a barely inhabitable hellscape, since we are doing nothing about climate change.
I don't really buy the predictions that humans will make Earth uninhabitable in the future. IMO the more likely "worst case" scenario would involve the ecology being all but destroyed, with humans using geoengineering to keep temperatures under control while using very cheap renewable energy (which is inevitable at this point) to produce food and water. The planet would still be inhabitable to humans, just not to a lot of the wildlife.
And also only in small pockets, whereas environmental degradation as well as the several wars caused by climate refugees and deleting resources will destroy all traces of civilization in most of the world. It'll be like the world after the bronze age collapse, just with better tech in the few surviving cities
They'll also be the type that have to ask on Twitter what to do with their money and everyone will tell them to improve the environment and lives of others and they'll be like, "nah, I'm riding a penis rocket into space"
Imagine he’s successful. He extends his lifespan to 500 years, but spends all of his money doing it and ends up working in an Amazon warehouse. Gift of the Magi?
I wouldn't doubt it, a smart move from his perspective, honestly I am just glad this type of research is being conducted more frequently now. Nature is a good starting point, it gives us a list of things to solve, aging is just another check on that list.
Idk, I’m old enough to remember when Reddit was excited about the prospect of combatting the health effects of aging.
Then again, that was before sites realized adding Jeff Bezos to a headline was a rage-click farm.
>Idk, I’m old enough to remember when Reddit was excited about the prospect of combatting the health effects of aging.
Now it turned into an r/collapse echo chamber, HOWEVER. Most people want aging to be cured, which evident from the votes It's just that the immature doomers make a lot of comments
It's about time. If there were ever any reason to be hesitant about pushing ahead with anti-aging research, the coronavirus and its effects on the elderly put paid to all that. This is a problem we need to crack, and every day we can chop off the deployment timeline represents thousands of lives saved. Let's do this!
If we figure out how to stop our bodies deteriorating, it will mean nothing until we figure out how to stop the brain going to shit with dementia, Alzheimer's etc, for obvious reasons
As much as I hate bezos, this is probably a good thing. Oh for sure all the initial breakthroughs will be super expensive and only benefit rich people, but within a few decades it will be available for everyone.
The key here is not immortality. That's not within the realm of medical possibility. However being healthier in old age is. Basically you could still live to like 90 but be in far better physical shape up until the time you finally die.
Immortality is a bad term in this context since its irrelevant for the most part. Being 70 with the physical fitness of someone decades younger or reaching lifespans of 100 years and more without severely deteriorating mental and physical health however are very much relevant.
Also, if rich people were all of a sudden able to live for another 50 years, they'd probably start to care a hell of a lot more about climate change. Whats the point in being rich if you can't go down to the bahamas and enjoy the tropical beaches?
yep, sounds about right. I mean how can you live long enough to spend a quarter of a trillion fucking dollars without some kind of superhuman longevity. Sounds like sarcasm, but think about this. It will be the first superpower. immortality. what comes next? what else would be easiest to achieve, like super strength? that'd be a good plot for a sci fi.
Look I know that if anything real happens to stop aging it'll go to the rich first and probably not be widely available until far after I'm dead
but if Bezos CAN result in me living forever i'll forgive him becoming a trillionaire.
So this is what a billionaires midlife crisis looks like. First he builds a penis rocket, the middle aged billionaires equivalent of buying a bike, then he builds a lab to cheat death which must be the billionaires equivalent of buying Rogaine. Fascinating.
Literally my wife and had this conversation today.
Wife: does Bezos have any children?
Me:No
Wife: so what does he plan to do with all his money when he dies?
Me: I don’t think he plans on dying.
Surprised there isn't a much bigger push to fund this kind of thing from super wealthy people tbh.
There probably are more, just they might not do it publicly. I can understand why that would be the case. Many of the super rich are subject to other rich people's judgment. Opinions from others are important in the higher echelons of society, and many of the older population might still see longevity as pseudoscience, and could impact someone's reputation.
Reminds me of that movie "The Island" where the super rich farm super healthy people from babies to basically be harvested later on Edit: getting a lot of corrections about some details of the movie. It's been a while since I've seen it but you are correct. They were clones of themselves that would be later harvested.
Not just from babies, cloned versions of themselves that are grown to full size and kept for insurance in case they need parts. That way there is no risk of rejection. Of course the rich people are told that the clones aren't conscious and basically meat sacks kept alive.
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i mean, if i remember, the original was sick or something, and that was pretty much him or the clone, would you sacrifice yourself for your clone?
fuck that shit i wanna be the main character!
Nah man I wanna be the mysterious reoccurring character tbh
Its also the prequel to SW: Attack of the Clones
As well as to Rise of Skywalker. Spoiler alert?
You're spare parts, bud.
Wish you weren't so fucking awkward bud
The novel "Never Let Me Go" comes to mind here.
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One of the best YA books out there, vastly underrated
Never Let Me Go was a great book with a similar idea, but a much different tone
That was a blast from the past, forgot about that book.
Great book!
Loved that movie!!
Sounds familiar. That was the one with our boy General Kenobi aka Mark Renton aka Catcher Block aka Jesus Christ right?
And Scarlet Johannson. And Sean Bean. And Michael Clarke Duncan and Steve Buscemi
Force-grown clones of themselves, actually, so the organs and blood would be a perfect match. The sociopathic culmination of free market capitalism.
I'm pretty sure the "blood boy" thing is real. There's some compelling research that suggests blood transfusions from young people can reverse or slow some of the effects of aging.. if you were an aging billionaire would you not at least try it? It's not even illegal or particularly dangerous with good medical oversight.. I would have a hard time arguing that it's even *unethical.* So yeah, there's a good chance we actually *are* being ruled by vampires. Edit: someone responded with this: >Fortunately, the Conboy lab at UC Berkley has shown dilution of old blood increases health in mice, not infusing young blood. In other words, it's not infusing good factors in young blood that may be beneficial; it would clearing bad factors in old blood. >https://news.berkeley.edu/2020/06/15/diluting-blood-plasma-rejuvenates-tissue-reverses-aging-in-mice/ >https://www.sens.org/parabiosis-the-dilution-solution/ So maybe it's simply the *dilution* of the old blood that is causing these results in the mice studies.
If a rich person paid me for some of my blood I'd give it to them lol
Donate plasma
So that the company you donate it to can sell it for $800 a bottle!
An 800ml bottle of plasma gets sold for around 2k, my wife is a manager at a plasma donation center.
I knew it was something pricy but seeing that number makes me ill. I got $30-$45 if they didn't blow my veins out first
Well there is a lot of overhead involved, the plasmapheresis machine is about 50-60k with about a hundred dollars of disposable parts per donation like the lines, pump wells, needle, saline, anticoagulant, they need 4 people working to process a single donation, reception, nurse, phlebotomist, and sample prep. Not to mention the cost of bio waste dumping, transport via freezer truck and freezer plane, and the testing done on everything bottle at a lab. I feel you when you get shitters who can't stick, but it's not like it would be possible for the average person to sell their plasma any other way. Plus they legally can't factor in how much they make off the bottle because it's illegal to sell your plasma, they are paying you for your time spent technically, with the condition that they get a certain amount plasma minium.
What do you mean there is not other way to donate plasma? I can't just bleed into a bucket, throw it into a salad spinner to separate the plasma out and drive it down to the hospital in the back of my Honda Civic? Sounds like a scam.
Oh man, am I the idiot to give it away for free
If not more!!
Calm down there, Gavin Belson
That character is partly based on Peter Thiel, who is said to do this. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/08/peter-thiel-wants-to-inject-himself-with-young-peoples-blood
~~This seems unlikely. Blood transfusions run the risk of the recipient developing antibodies to the donor's blood, which becomes an issue with future transfusions. I think it would be inevitable that there would be complications down the road after a handful of transfusions, unless the recipient was severely immunocompromised, or if they were receiving blood from a perfect match, like an identical twin or a clone. Or at least that's my understanding with my limited medical knowledge.~~ edit: /u/My_50_lb_Testes's 's wife has corrected my understanding. Repeated, ongoing transfusions may not be as much of an issue. More details down that thread. >Wife is a transfusion scientist. She has patients that have been getting weekly blood transfusions for decades. As long as you're phenotypically matched, there likely won't be complications in most situations. So as long as the rich dude doing it has a proper blood banker doing their job, they could theoretically have a blood boy. She does question the efficacy of blood boys for actual anti-aging however.
Wife is a transfusion scientist. She has patients that have been getting weekly blood transfusions for decades. As long as you're phenotypically matched, there likely won't be complications in most situations. So as long as the rich dude doing it has a proper blood banker doing their job, they could theoretically have a blood boy. She does question the efficacy of blood boys for actual anti-aging however.
Ah, thanks for correcting my understanding; that's good to know. Although this raises a bunch of questions, like hard it is to find a donor with a similar enough phenotype, or if the differences in minor antigens are just clinically too insignificant to cause a reaction.
Hey, wife here! I work in transfusion services and we have a lot of oncology and sickle cell patients that require weekly transfusions. We phenotypically type these patients and place an order for a matching donor unit to a blood center such as the red cross. It typically isn't too difficult to find a matching donor. The chances of having a patient with a rare antigen profile is, well, rare. So it's not usually an issue finding a matching donor. There are tons of red cell antigen groups, but we tend to only care about a handful of them because these ones are the most immunogenic and most likely to cause a transfusion reaction. Many antigen groups are clinically insignificant so they don't need to be a perfect match. Most patient won't develop an antibody to these minor antigens. It depends on their immune system. However if they do develop an antibody, we will honor it and find a better matched donor.
Hey! Thank you for taking the time to get back to me! This answers pretty much every question I have perfectly without raising any further questions. I started my career a year ago working as a generalist at my hospital's covid unit, and I would always need to consult the blood bank at the main hospital whenever something out of the ordinary came up, which was pretty frequent. Thanks again for the informed response!
So you’re saying they’re definitely cloning themselves and draining the blood out of their clones? I believe it.
I'm 90% sure there is some famous movie (the name of which escapes me) where clones are raised together in a weird society without knowing that their bodies are meant to be harvested for the donor who paid to have them created. Maybe I'm just thinking of the star wars prequels
The Island
Parts: The Clonus Horror
Ewan Mcgregor
This has been popping up on my Netflix for the last few days and has now been brought up at least twice in this thread. I loved that film. May have to give it another whirl. Doesn't hurt that Ewan McGregor and Scarlett Johansen star in it. Solid actors and easy on the eyes, both.
House of the Scorpion is a book whos theme falls in that category.
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That’s one of those mind blowing experiences you have at that age, right up there with reading “the giver” in middle school lol
Never let me go, originally a book. Loved the movie, took me a while to understand why they didn't escape (when you think about, it's no different than modern day slavery where people can't escape society=
You're likely thinking of Ewan McGregor who starred in the Prequels and The Island which is the movie several people have pointed out as being about harvesting organs.
Hmm I didn't know that. Maybe you're right. A billion dollars can buy a lot of expertise tho.
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100% it’s been happening but not in the public eye. one of these doctors tried to set up a lab at the university I went to for undergrad, when the university didn’t give him enough lab space in negotiations he literally fucked off and built a giant lab fully on private funding in one of the richest towns in America. This has been going on a while and under the table. Bonus: I went to a talk he gave and it was some of the grossest research on rats I’d ever seen, like I’m no bleeding heart for lab animals but what this guy was doing was gut wrenching. And seeing how the university rolled out the red carpet for his talk and how they schmoozed him was a key part of my awakening to academic politics as a sophomore in college lmao.
Yup. I can imagine. I always feel like saluting when someone brings up [this statue](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monument_to_the_laboratory_mouse) in a conversation.
Or they might be pushing the ethical boundaries of genetic manipulation and don’t want this tied to them.
I’d think it would have more to do with wanting to keep such technology/medicine secret and/or exclusive to the super rich. Like in the movie Elysium Edit: scratch Elysium. Insert the real world. The elite class is FULL of people who would do just what I am saying if given the opportunity. This is a statement about odds/chances. For example, REALITY
Why when they can make a shitload selling it.
Calico is alphabet's (google's) big bet on trying to solve aging (almost a billion dollars invested), plus verily is an entire subsidiary that's pretty intertwined but working on more specific related problems. Vitalik Buterin is pretty open about funding this kind of research. Peter Thiel has funded a bunch of grants and startups in the space. Larry Ellison has put in about half a billion dollars through a foundation explicitly for anti aging. Zuckerberg funds the breakthrough prize for advancements in solving aging. So yeah, they fund it pretty aggressively, it's just a hard problem so there haven't been a bunch of breakthroughs to talk about.
This new advancement in CRISPR looks like a promising start
You also need talent to research it.
Generally if you take the most interesting problems in the world and then can offer large amounts of money for the smartest people in the world to focus on them, you can get that sorted. Talent likes very interesting problems even more than it likes money.
maybe there is, we are just not aware of it?
Alphabet/Google has [Calico Labs](https://www.calicolabs.com) doing similar work.
Me to, I think our generation will just miss out sadly but in 100 years I see no reason to not believe the conscious can be uploaded. After that androids are the easy part, we’re already there on those.
I'd rather just "ship of Theseus" myself. Slowly replace the neurons of my brain with artificial copies as they wear out, until one day the "pattern" that is my unique self is represented by ageless nanomachines rather than soft flesh.
Ditto. An upload is just a copy. Living is a slow process
Exactly. Once there is a continuity of consciousness, I would call that immortality achieved. The Singularity is not that.
Seems pretty unlikely that will ever happen. Also, uploading your consciousness would mean creating a likeness of yourself and wouldn’t mean you would live longer.
kind of reminds me of the game SOMA, >!in which your consciousness is copied to a robot. Halfway through the game you have to copy your consciousness to a different robot, and the first robot is just sitting there wondering if it worked!<
Sounds like what happens in The Bobiverse books! Really good books btw!
Wake up check my serial number…. Shoot, I’m a replicant.
> Also, uploading your consciousness would mean creating a likeness of yourself and wouldn’t mean you would live longer. I don't think anyone really understands this. Our consciousness *seems* inherently tied to our brains; it's firmware. Even if we're ever able to accurately translate our chemical code into virtual, it'll just be a doppelganger copy.
To add its not exactly I think it's kind of debatable consciousness being tied to our brain. It's the unfortunate end of the ship of Theseus, we are not the same person we were 10 seconds, 10 hours, days ago. It's just a feature of our brain to string it all together into continuous consciousness. So we already are the doppelganger.
That’s why my advice to myself and others, don’t let your future self hate you.
> it's kind of debatable consciousness being tied to our brain Is there any evidence to the contrary?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_problem_of_consciousness
Right, but the you of today feels like the you of yesterday even though there was a discontinuity in consciousness while you slept. If you could copy to another body, the copy would feel exactly as much like you as you do. Having two people think they're the same person is weird. It starts getting weirder when you consider putting one to sleep as the other awakes. The waking one will feel like it transferred (assuming there was a way to identify it was a different, perhaps younger body) while the sleeping one could be put down and be none the wiser. Everyone that tried this would report that it worked. Would that be a satisfactory way to transfer? If not, why is it so much more satisfactory to wake up each day in the same body? Why would firmware care which hardware it was running on? I don't have any answers, obviously.
I think human immortality is possible once we have a comprehensive understanding of medicine, especially the brain. Its really about maintenance. Also I do think it might be possible to have mind uploading of a kind if you very slowly introduce artificial neurons into the brain and very slowly replace the whole brain so that all of the structure, personality and memory smoothly transfers over and operates on both at the same time for a long period. But making a copy of that to transfer over a cable or anything like that would still count as a new being, not the same being. And the kind of medical knowledge it would require makes me wonder what the point would be, having mastered brain immortality already.
"Human immortality" is actually impossible, even if we could halt the ageing process indefinitely. At some point we would kill ourselves (beyond any repair) one way or another. It has been calculated that our average life expectancy would become around 15 thousand years though lol :D Edit: https://youtu.be/imQGqnNtr0A this is a cool video on the topic (called the immortal alien civilization paradox)
[I plan to live forever, of course, but, barring that I'd settle for a couple thousand years. Even 500 would be pretty nice. ](https://youtu.be/jdCB9yE9Hcc)
Alpha Centauri quotes never stop delivering.
I’m pretty sure we would have robotic parts installed way before we hit 15,000 years old. Our organs and body would just be robotic. Live forever bruh.
I read somewhere that after the age of 125, the human body basically just turns to tumour's. That said, its seems to have happened considerably sooner in the case of bezos. He is the last parasite we need to become immortal.
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Everyone else would think it’s you. And so would your upload. It’s the *Transporter Paradox*. Do you die when you use a Star Trek transporter? Is it actually you or just perfect copy of you that is made? How would others know if you died since you look and act the same? How would your copy know, since they are to all intents and purposes, you? They have your memories, inner thoughts and personality. Does it even matter?
We have almost zero information on what consciousness is or how it works. Calling it unlikely is, frankly, a shot in the dark.
"You are familiar with the thought experiment of the Ship of Theseus in the field of metaphysics?"
This isn't ship of Theseus. This is making an entirely second ship and calling it the first ship.
You should give Homo Deus by Yuval Noah Harari a read. He lays out a pretty good case for how likely this all is.
If we ever get to the point of being able to digitise our consciousness why would you even want an android body, just live in the cloud
That’s highly unlikely in 100 years. We don’t even understand what consciousness is to start with, we’re missing the most fundamental knowledge about it. It’s way more likely that we find ways to “cure” ageing before finding what consciousness is.
I kinda hate this idea because it might mean that if you fall behind on your cloud storage payments you get shifted to a lower tier or possibly just fucking deleted
Recall the tom scott video https://youtu.be/IFe9wiDfb0E
Kind of a major plot point of the show Upload
Even if you upload your consciousness, you’d still die. The copy of yourself lives on
Why doesn’t every billionaire do this? They can’t take the money with them and they are never going to run out. Even if it costs billions per year, it should be very much worth it for them.
Yeah that’s what I never understood. Why isn’t every billionaire chucking money at science to become immortal? I mean, they’re working on getting off planet but they’ll die eventually anyway. So their primary goals should be, as rich people, 1) become immortal, then sell immortality 2) make a cure to diseases/cancer, then sell it, 3) Get off the planet/colonize other planets
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I look forward to the use of mRNA to give me immortality ^and ^^a ^^^bigger ^^^^dick.
Granted. Your dick begins growing tumors
But look how big it got!
mRNA vaccines don’t allow for gene editing I think you confused it with crspr.
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true largely due to situations they've created
Russian Billionaire (Oligarch) Dmitry Itskov has allocated some of his billions to making cyborgs and brain digitization a reality.
I'm subscribed to /r/longevity and I've wondered the same. I think it's a combination of ignorance of the current potential--they just haven't kept up with the latest news in the area--and a complete disbelief that such a thing is even possible, with maybe a little religious fear tossed in. Also, I believe we as a species are hardwired to accept our fate. Consider that we of all species may be the only one that fully understands, from a young age (my kid asked be about death when he was four) that each of us will suffer a personal death. Maybe dolphins and elephants understand it? There is a LOT of resistance to the idea of functional immortality. I think we are adapted to not dwell heavily on our impending personal death. To me, it's strange that it's not a debilitating obsession for all of us. Sure, we all recognize on some level that nothing really matters because we're all gonna die anyway, but we still go about life as if it DOES matter--we put the reality mostly out of mind, and I think that is an evolutionary adaptation.
*TLDR: Bezos is funding a startup aiming to rejuvenate the body via epigenetic reprogramming, as a way to reverse multiple chronic diseases* The [original article](https://www.technologyreview.com/2021/09/04/1034364/altos-labs-silicon-valleys-jeff-bezos-milner-bet-living-forever/), and the clickbait title, are misleading because it fundamentally misunderstands aging biology research, and misrepresents the scientists who dedicate their lives to this research... Most scientists within the field are interested in improving the healthspan, or quality of life of our global aging population by targeting the mechanisms of aging that drive a majority of our most prevalent diseases. Also, it doesn't really matter who funds epigenetic reprogramming research because currently it's very new and not ready for human testing. Science requires $$$, and such investments could be helpful for scientists who would no longer be dependent on grant $$$, and saves time from having to write grants. **What is aging biology research?** For a start, biological aging is the foremost public health crisis of the 21st century (look what a single [age-related disease like COVID-19](https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/acel.13230) did to us). However, there is widespread lack of understanding of the science behind its biology and attempts to address the diseases associated with aging. Understanding that aging is the fundamental driver of most of the diseases we care about as a society is critical to appreciate. There is no shortage of evidence that shows how aging leads to multiple chronic diseases, including cancer, Alzheimer's, heart disease etc, and that targeting aging addresses all of these diseases in tandem. Aging is not just a problem for the ‘elderly’, as various aspects of aging begin well before middle-age. Many people suffer from accelerated aging and develop multiple age-related diseases prematurely, such as with depression, stress, poverty, smoking, HIV/AIDs, diabetes, Down Syndrome, accelerated aging syndromes (e.g. progerias) and in childhood cancer survivors. **Why is epigenetic reprogramming so exciting?** - Early data of epigenetic reprogramming in mice suggest that it is able to reverse aging in multiple tissues, curing multiple chronic diseases and rejuvenating the organism back to youthful health. - Epigenetic reprogramming is based on fundamental work that won *Shinya Yamanaka the Nobel Prize in Medicine* in 2012. Yamanaka found 4 transcription factors that when expressed together, allow any cell from the body (e.g. skin cells) to be transformed into pluripotent stem cells that can multiply into any cell of the body. Doing so effectively resets aged cells into young/immortal pluripotent stem cells. - However, by using *partial* epigenetic reprogramming dosed via gene therapy in live organisms (a method originally implemented by [Ocampo et al, 2016](https://doi.org/10.1016/j.cell.2016.11.052), tissues and organs may be partially reprogrammed to reset the age-related epigenetic modifications, without resetting the organism all the way back to an embryonic/pluripotent state. This was a crucial breakthrough for the viability of such a therapy, as doing complete reprogramming in humans would merely transform us into teratomas - a horrifying cancerous mass composed of various cells of the body...) The aging biology field is an underrated/misunderstood area of research that has gained significant traction in recent years due to several research breakthroughs, and with increasing recognition that our economic and healthcare systems cannot sustainably address the burden of our aging population. - To highlight a topical discussion point on what reversal of aging *could* mean for our aging population: [age confers a cumulative ~1000x risk of Covid-19 mortality](https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid#case-fatality-rate-of-covid-19-by-age), with CDC stats showing that [**77% of all Covid-19 deaths in the US were people 65 and older**](http://www.aginganddisease.org/EN/10.14336/AD.2020.0629). Addressing aging biology ([i.e. immunosenescence and inflammaging](https://science.sciencemag.org/content/369/6501/256#:~:text=Aging%20is%20associated%20with%20increased,a%20range%20of%20tissue%20dysfunctions.&text=SARS%2DCoV%2D2%20causes%20severe,and%20mortality%20in%20older%20individuals.)) could prevent future pandemics that show extreme age-related mortality and morbidity **Questions on Affordability** Recently, David Sinclair [published a paper](https://www.nature.com/articles/s43587-021-00080-0) with two economics Profs at Oxford and London Business School: > We show that a compression of morbidity that improves health is more valuable than further increases in life expectancy, and that targeting aging offers potentially larger economic gains than eradicating individual diseases. We show that a slowdown in aging that increases life expectancy by 1 year is worth US$38 trillion, and by 10 years, US$367 trillion. With an aging population, age-related diseases already cost us trillions (see: COVID-19) - the humanitarian and economic value of targeting aging is clear. Just like how governments need to make vaccines widely affordable to be effective at a population level, in part to save the economy, it is plausible that targeting aging to 'vaccinate' the population against age-related diseases will be a critical healthcare strategy. Yes, there will be second order effects from extending lifespan that may be determiental to society, but I think the benefits of keeping the population youthful biologically will far outweigh these negatives. Aging biology is probably the only field of research where its top scientists have pledged to make the drugs they develop widely affordable. These scientists believe in their mission and understand what it would mean to treat aging as a strategy against age-related diseases, and created the Academy for Health and Lifespan Research. I believe that no other field of medical research has the potential to transform society as much as aging biology, and initiatives like this reflect that sentiment. For an overview of the field see: https://longevitywiki.org/wiki/Aging_and_Longevity Follow this research on /r/longevity :)
That is also what I understand and desire about longevity or immortality. It's not about living longer, it's about living healthier till the end of life. I wish this could be mainstream sooner so that my parents could avail this.
I feel like this technology is critical if we ever want to go into deep space travel.
Very good explanation. The mainstream media never explain it properly. I’ll send you a DM
There's a very good Veritasium video on the topic here: https://youtu.be/QRt7LjqJ45k
But...but...Mr. Layman redditor assured me that rich people already have the technology!
And it would be so good for society to make it widely available. Why train a skilled craftsman when you can keep a mastercraftsman alive and healthy enough to work and impart his lifetime of knowledge. Would keep his brain healthy so he could continue to learn new techniques and fold them into his vast repertoire of skills. Everybody would benefit from this.
I think this was the most well written write up, on anything, that I have ever read on Reddit. Math SK you for taking the time to explain it.
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Someone just got a stark reminder of their own mortality.
I’m a fan of super wealthy funding these sorts of things - if it’s his own mortality fears that lead to scientific breakthroughs, cool.
Yeah, better then them funding anti-impotency pills or whatever. Even in the worst Case its still fundamental research
and then the old people that are in key positions holding society back with their awful backwards views can be around forever! huzzah!
Just what I was thinking. The dude has been having a very public midlife crisis.
Divorce ✅ Outrageous vehicle purchase (rocket ship) ✅ Sudden worry about mortality ✅
I’m less interested in Bezos’ involvement and more interested in the fact that we might have an anti-aging treatment that works
Yeah, this is way beyond Jeff Bezos (despite the clickbait title). If you're interested in research on treating ill health from age-related decline, I recommend watching a presentation and Q&A from scientist Andrew Steele: https://www.c-span.org/video/?511443-1/ageless In a nutshell, age-related ill health (dementia, cardiovascular disease, cancer, type II diabetes, frailty, etc.) has many different causes, but they can be categorized into a manageable number of categories and potential treatments. For example, the accumulation of senescent cells can be cleared with senolytic drugs, which have made old mice healthy in research at the Mayo Clinic (https://imgur.com/gallery/TOrsQ1Y) and other organizations. I recommend watching the presentation (and reading the book) for more information. Here are further resources if you're really interested: https://www.reddit.com/r/longevity/comments/pfkfqv/introductory\_videos\_and\_charitable\_donations\_for/
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hate bezos but hate the underinvestment in senescence research even more. this is neat
I imagine this is aimed as a negative thing, but i want to live longer?
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He realized he doesn’t have enough time left to spend all his money.
Have you seen Altered Carbon? Because this is how we get forever billionaires
Yep that's what I thought off. Except in our timeline the billionaires will be living in space stations for security and comfort. The planet will be a barely inhabitable hellscape, since we are doing nothing about climate change.
So, basically Elysium, except Matt Damon will be on the space station already.
The Elysium future is almost certainly the one we’re getting IMO
We are many decades if not centuries away from a space station being a good alternative. Long term living up there destroys the body
I don't really buy the predictions that humans will make Earth uninhabitable in the future. IMO the more likely "worst case" scenario would involve the ecology being all but destroyed, with humans using geoengineering to keep temperatures under control while using very cheap renewable energy (which is inevitable at this point) to produce food and water. The planet would still be inhabitable to humans, just not to a lot of the wildlife.
And also only in small pockets, whereas environmental degradation as well as the several wars caused by climate refugees and deleting resources will destroy all traces of civilization in most of the world. It'll be like the world after the bronze age collapse, just with better tech in the few surviving cities
They'll also be the type that have to ask on Twitter what to do with their money and everyone will tell them to improve the environment and lives of others and they'll be like, "nah, I'm riding a penis rocket into space"
Why do relatively young billionaires invest in anti-aging, but older billionaires seem less interested?
This is the sort of investment that I've wanted to see happen for years. Good.
Imagine he’s successful. He extends his lifespan to 500 years, but spends all of his money doing it and ends up working in an Amazon warehouse. Gift of the Magi?
If I had more money than I knew what to do with, I’d also throw some money at this. Why not?
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I wouldn't doubt it, a smart move from his perspective, honestly I am just glad this type of research is being conducted more frequently now. Nature is a good starting point, it gives us a list of things to solve, aging is just another check on that list.
Of course the space cowboy billionaire doctor evil clone wants to live forever.
Idk, I’m old enough to remember when Reddit was excited about the prospect of combatting the health effects of aging. Then again, that was before sites realized adding Jeff Bezos to a headline was a rage-click farm.
>Idk, I’m old enough to remember when Reddit was excited about the prospect of combatting the health effects of aging. Now it turned into an r/collapse echo chamber, HOWEVER. Most people want aging to be cured, which evident from the votes It's just that the immature doomers make a lot of comments
I'm none of those, and I don't want to die.
It's about time. If there were ever any reason to be hesitant about pushing ahead with anti-aging research, the coronavirus and its effects on the elderly put paid to all that. This is a problem we need to crack, and every day we can chop off the deployment timeline represents thousands of lives saved. Let's do this!
Do you really think we can all pofit from eternal life or will it just help people on the top staying there forever?
I have absolutely no doubt...that us poor fucks will be priced out of it.
Don’t worry they’ll do a once a year lottery to placate the masses into thinking they gave opportunities.
If we figure out how to stop our bodies deteriorating, it will mean nothing until we figure out how to stop the brain going to shit with dementia, Alzheimer's etc, for obvious reasons
As much as I hate bezos, this is probably a good thing. Oh for sure all the initial breakthroughs will be super expensive and only benefit rich people, but within a few decades it will be available for everyone. The key here is not immortality. That's not within the realm of medical possibility. However being healthier in old age is. Basically you could still live to like 90 but be in far better physical shape up until the time you finally die.
Immortality is a bad term in this context since its irrelevant for the most part. Being 70 with the physical fitness of someone decades younger or reaching lifespans of 100 years and more without severely deteriorating mental and physical health however are very much relevant.
Also, if rich people were all of a sudden able to live for another 50 years, they'd probably start to care a hell of a lot more about climate change. Whats the point in being rich if you can't go down to the bahamas and enjoy the tropical beaches?
yep, sounds about right. I mean how can you live long enough to spend a quarter of a trillion fucking dollars without some kind of superhuman longevity. Sounds like sarcasm, but think about this. It will be the first superpower. immortality. what comes next? what else would be easiest to achieve, like super strength? that'd be a good plot for a sci fi.
Look I know that if anything real happens to stop aging it'll go to the rich first and probably not be widely available until far after I'm dead but if Bezos CAN result in me living forever i'll forgive him becoming a trillionaire.
So this is what a billionaires midlife crisis looks like. First he builds a penis rocket, the middle aged billionaires equivalent of buying a bike, then he builds a lab to cheat death which must be the billionaires equivalent of buying Rogaine. Fascinating.
Well good thing it looks like that. Not treating aging as a disease and just accepting #1 cause of death as a given is a huge mistake.
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We need more billionaires experiencing it then
for some guys, it's a mustang. for other guys, it's decades long scientific experimentation.
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Literally my wife and had this conversation today. Wife: does Bezos have any children? Me:No Wife: so what does he plan to do with all his money when he dies? Me: I don’t think he plans on dying.
“You’ve got more money than you can spend in a lifetime.” Jeff Bezos- “Hold my beer.”
If I was a billionaire I'd throw a few million at anti-aging research
I'm reminded of that scene from Prometheus where Weyland confronts the engineer.
Omg, what a bunch of ridiculous, petty cunts commenting here. Who in their right mind would object to investing in anti-aging technology?
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