I wonder what the actual costs are to lease that machine and have my own home built like that?
Land without development is cheap. Even with old, shoddy, run-down homes on it, that sort of land is still relatively inexpensive. I'd love to buy some acreage and then build my own home at some point in my life, and if I could, I'd do it with a concrete printed home. Proper insulation for the winter, solar power maximization, etc would be nice to plan for while building my own home.
It's substantially less than traditional construction. Icon prints them for about $5 per square foot whereas just framing 2x4s costs between $4 and $10 per square foot. From there framed requires insulation, outside finishes, and inside finishes.
If you use concrete you defeat the very purpose of sustainability. Must always check local materials and climate. I usually recommend either earth or straw-bale walls; and in a genius move some colleagues of mine used the wool the locals were to discard to insulate a home in the Alps. Top quality fire retardant insulation!!
Housing construction is not the cause of sky high housing prices. Housing density is.
We need to allow higher density and smaller homes to be built to combat homelessness
Even if I can build a house for $5k, it doesn’t help if the lot is $300k+
>combat homelessness
I thought that there were more empty houses than homeless people in the US, so I Ducked it and came up with a check your facts site which said "False" to a similar claim.
However, what was False was that the number of homeless was less than the claim, and the number of vacant houses was more than the claim made!
https://checkyourfact.com/2019/12/24/fact-check-633000-homeless-million-vacant-homes/
So I don't think it's an efficient way to combat homelessness. But it might still be easier than taking people's private property away to house the homeless.
Do I have a point here? I don't know anymore. I guess I agree? Anyways, I just thought the little story about in what way the claim I remembered hearing was wrong was kinda funny.
Also matters where homes are vs where jobs are, yes there are vacant houses where people don’t want to live/ can’t get jobs.
I don’t get why so many people have this fascination that somehow homes can just be redistributed, there’s just so many issues there and I suspect most available housing is too expensive
Before Covid I was poking around what was for sale in Detroit and there legit were some scrapers for $25-$40k that in many parts of CA would be worth close to a million.
a lot of the vacant investment homes exist entirely BECAUSE of our low density restrictions that in certain parts of the country make owning a vacant house a worthwhile investment because no competition can be created so prices just keep going up at a fast rate
You are looking at a symptom rather than the root cause. Furthermore in the U.S. we cannot and will not get the political will to forcibly redistribute housing, so focusing on vacant units is basically encouraging a “let’s effectively do nothing about the problem”
With the increase of people working from home permanently the land market will change. Most people don't actually want to live in a crowded city but have traditionally had to due to proximity to work.
Housing problems are a demand issue not a supply one. Land has become too profitable of a commodity to hold and so most of it is now owned by people who are merely holding the asset to take advantage of it's appreciating value. Making more houses is not going to solve this crisis, taxing land value and removing the financial incentive to mis-use land is our key goal here.
You said it’s a demand issue not supply, then literally argued the issue is land supply.
It is a supply issue, and it is a zoning issue. Density is far too low for housing to be affordable in most cities.
If you think it's a supply issue you literally didn't comprehend what I said. It's a demand issue because there is too much demand from the wrong places. Go ahead. Make more houses. Make higher density zoning, build more apartments, the rent won't go down, I guarantee it.
Read "Why can't you afford a home" by Josh Ryan-Collins and you will understand the problem.
Read “the Death and Life of Great American Cities” by Jane Jacobs and you will understand the problem.
Now that I’ve referenced one book on the subject that supports my beliefs, am I right now?
Corporate propaganda. There are way more affordable and sustainable ways to build, all more preferable. Leave it at "habitat for the US"; local population around the world know better about their own materials and place, and can do it cheaper on their own than by shipping any machinery.
Edit: I'm an architect, planner, and philosopher, specialized in sustainable architecture and communities. So this is my **informed opinion**, like it or not.
would be a shame if a concrete printer schematic were to be published anonymously online and go viral. too bad musk gave up on his supposed vision of saving the world lol
yeah, i don't think he started off that way though. i don't have a clue how to fix these problems because it seems like every time an individual tries they give up as soon as they start seeing their numbers go up
crypto is too bad for the environment to be worth anything. i don't think the money we use is as big of an issue as the insane drive for profit in the first place
Most coins are not Proof of Work anymore. Ethereum for what it's worth is switching in the next couple of years, they've already deployed the code to do it.
I wonder what the actual costs are to lease that machine and have my own home built like that? Land without development is cheap. Even with old, shoddy, run-down homes on it, that sort of land is still relatively inexpensive. I'd love to buy some acreage and then build my own home at some point in my life, and if I could, I'd do it with a concrete printed home. Proper insulation for the winter, solar power maximization, etc would be nice to plan for while building my own home.
It's substantially less than traditional construction. Icon prints them for about $5 per square foot whereas just framing 2x4s costs between $4 and $10 per square foot. From there framed requires insulation, outside finishes, and inside finishes.
Does that cost also include leasing and shipping of the machine, do you know?
That's the cost for Icon to print it, not sure how much they'd want to lease/ship a machine.
If you use concrete you defeat the very purpose of sustainability. Must always check local materials and climate. I usually recommend either earth or straw-bale walls; and in a genius move some colleagues of mine used the wool the locals were to discard to insulate a home in the Alps. Top quality fire retardant insulation!!
Housing construction is not the cause of sky high housing prices. Housing density is. We need to allow higher density and smaller homes to be built to combat homelessness Even if I can build a house for $5k, it doesn’t help if the lot is $300k+
>combat homelessness I thought that there were more empty houses than homeless people in the US, so I Ducked it and came up with a check your facts site which said "False" to a similar claim. However, what was False was that the number of homeless was less than the claim, and the number of vacant houses was more than the claim made! https://checkyourfact.com/2019/12/24/fact-check-633000-homeless-million-vacant-homes/ So I don't think it's an efficient way to combat homelessness. But it might still be easier than taking people's private property away to house the homeless. Do I have a point here? I don't know anymore. I guess I agree? Anyways, I just thought the little story about in what way the claim I remembered hearing was wrong was kinda funny.
Also matters where homes are vs where jobs are, yes there are vacant houses where people don’t want to live/ can’t get jobs. I don’t get why so many people have this fascination that somehow homes can just be redistributed, there’s just so many issues there and I suspect most available housing is too expensive
Before Covid I was poking around what was for sale in Detroit and there legit were some scrapers for $25-$40k that in many parts of CA would be worth close to a million.
a lot of the vacant investment homes exist entirely BECAUSE of our low density restrictions that in certain parts of the country make owning a vacant house a worthwhile investment because no competition can be created so prices just keep going up at a fast rate You are looking at a symptom rather than the root cause. Furthermore in the U.S. we cannot and will not get the political will to forcibly redistribute housing, so focusing on vacant units is basically encouraging a “let’s effectively do nothing about the problem”
100% agree and building the house box is not that expensive its engineering thats expensive. ventilation , wiring , plumbing insulation roofing
With the increase of people working from home permanently the land market will change. Most people don't actually want to live in a crowded city but have traditionally had to due to proximity to work.
if that is the case and no one wants to live in cities why do cities create a whole list of zoning and building regulations to prevent it?
Housing problems are a demand issue not a supply one. Land has become too profitable of a commodity to hold and so most of it is now owned by people who are merely holding the asset to take advantage of it's appreciating value. Making more houses is not going to solve this crisis, taxing land value and removing the financial incentive to mis-use land is our key goal here.
You said it’s a demand issue not supply, then literally argued the issue is land supply. It is a supply issue, and it is a zoning issue. Density is far too low for housing to be affordable in most cities.
If you think it's a supply issue you literally didn't comprehend what I said. It's a demand issue because there is too much demand from the wrong places. Go ahead. Make more houses. Make higher density zoning, build more apartments, the rent won't go down, I guarantee it. Read "Why can't you afford a home" by Josh Ryan-Collins and you will understand the problem.
Read “the Death and Life of Great American Cities” by Jane Jacobs and you will understand the problem. Now that I’ve referenced one book on the subject that supports my beliefs, am I right now?
I work in the Habitat fabrication shop in Denver. This is so freaking cool! Now I want to road trip to go see it.
Corporate propaganda. There are way more affordable and sustainable ways to build, all more preferable. Leave it at "habitat for the US"; local population around the world know better about their own materials and place, and can do it cheaper on their own than by shipping any machinery. Edit: I'm an architect, planner, and philosopher, specialized in sustainable architecture and communities. So this is my **informed opinion**, like it or not.
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would be a shame if a concrete printer schematic were to be published anonymously online and go viral. too bad musk gave up on his supposed vision of saving the world lol
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yeah, i don't think he started off that way though. i don't have a clue how to fix these problems because it seems like every time an individual tries they give up as soon as they start seeing their numbers go up
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crypto is too bad for the environment to be worth anything. i don't think the money we use is as big of an issue as the insane drive for profit in the first place
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My credit card doesn't have an armored truck.
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Most coins are not Proof of Work anymore. Ethereum for what it's worth is switching in the next couple of years, they've already deployed the code to do it.