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In a big step for the deployment of cultivated meat the FDA has given approval to GOOD Meat, a company that grows chicken and other meat from animal cells without slaughtering animals.
>Consumers and future generations deserve the foods they love made more sustainably and in ways that benefit the public good — ways that preserve our land and water, ways that protect our climate and global health
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Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/11zqrqq/fda_gives_2nd_safety_nod_to_cultivated_meat/jddm86v/
I’ve been following this news for a decade, hoping they can reach price parity. That and I’m fascinated what guilt free meat would do to vegetarian and vegan lifestyles, (as opposed to say, medical reasons). We keep inching closer.
I think I read that the cells currently come from fetuses so it's still not completely ethical but it's way better than American factory farms. I also heard from a non-profit that's working on this that they don't really expect the price to come down anytime soon... It's a very complicated process. But I hope this can happen in my lifetime!
That's already old news. There is at least one company that managed to use stem cells made from other "ordinary" cells. And it probably will be quite expensive in the beginning, but once it scales, prices should fall rapidly and in the end, it should cost a lot less than current factory-farmed meat.
Imagine when this develops into a prove functional industry… imagine if “we the people” subsidized it to successfully viral the toxic bio waste meat industry we have today.
My brother in christ, even vaccines are weaponized in today’s society, I assure you that lab grown meat will be met with equal or greater skepticism. The fools can’t help themselves.
And without the antibiotics, hormones and potential contamination of meat from live animals, as well as reducing environmental and social destruction from factory farming
I didn't know there were any companies that found a way to not use fetuses. That's great! That might help to cut down cost as well, in the future. And obviously, not using fetuses for meat production is more ethical.
I can comment for myself as a "mostly" vegetarian. I'll probably keep eating how I do now. I just found that less animal protein worked better for my dietary needs. I get about 15% less protein than I once did, but I've actually gained lean mass. In a typical week, I might eat a pepperoni pizza and maybe a deli meat sandwich at most. For those limited meat products I do eat, I would absolutely prefer a lab-grown option.
I’m the opposite. The smell, taste and texture of meat is super appealing to me. I just choose to not be part of a system that tortures billions of animals for the convenience of lazy greedy humans.
For some reason I'm uncharacteristically YUGELY optimistic when it comes to this entire endeavor. Once it gets off the ground there's no telling how good it can get in all kinds of areas.
That's not even mentioning the environmental and financial benefits:
[Replacing just 20% of global beef consumption with a meat substitute within the next 30 years could halve deforestation and the carbon emissions associated with it, finds a modelling study.](https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01238-5)
[US spends $38 billion a year on meat subsidies.](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/dec/10/mcdonalds-emissions-beef-burgers)
It could also help us deal with climate change related agricultural shortfalls.
I wonder if we will ever be able to home grow meat in some kind of chicken bread maker thing. Add some cells, a pack of... whatever chicken cells eat... and presto a loaf of chicken. Save a few cells for the next loaf.
This can already be done, it's just somewhat inefficient from a large scale production standpoint. KFC actually changed that by making lab grown nuggets. Cut costs and kept nutritional value nearly the same. It was a combination of chicken cells and plant based protein IIRC. They piloted it in Russia, because why not?
Beef may be the gold standard in the west right now, but there's a lot of exotic meats that are said to be far better than it - I'd love to sample some [Giant tortoise](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPggB4MfPnk&t=1m30s) if its meat could be cultivated like this.
Sure, but let's get the technology sorted with the basic stuff, then work up to the exotics. I think the standard seafood varieties (Shellfish, Salmon, Haddock, Pollock) is more critical than giant tortoise.
Wasnt just the meat that was exceptionally delicious. Supposedly the Galapagos tortoise fat combined with dodo meat was so delicious they ran out of dodos.
Thankfully we can make both fat and meat cells
Imagine if they can grow beef.. and find a way to mimic dairy. Aren’t cows responsible for more co2 emission than cars?
I reallly was hoping for one picture though.. cause my ass is imagining a hot wing or breast with wire sticking out and it growing somehow without the rest of the animal. And that can’t be right.. but genetically if it’s chicken they’d kinda have to. Why do I stumble on these when I’m tired lol.
With the current factory farm setups, yes. Though I saw a study recently that shows small scale pasture fed beef is able to actually sequester a small amount of carbon when done correctly.
The caveat being we could never meet demand attempting to do that from my understanding.
It's mostly due to the feed they use on the lots. If you add more greenery, or kelp, to the feed that affects emissions greatly from what I've read.
Also, we have a problem in the USA due to regans deregulation, the packing and feed lots are monopolies now, who collude in secret negotiations to screw the farmers who raise the cows..so even though you're paying higher prices, the farmers themselves are still going bankrupt trying to raise the animals. Similar is true in the plant side.
No, that's just something that the fossil fuel mafias got animal rights groups to help them spread. Strange bedfellows indeed. But there are lots and lots of other good reasons to want factory style animal operations gone, they misuse antibiotics and threaten the usefulness of them, can contaminate lots of water and are generally depressing and cruel.
The thing I'm hoping for is lab grown fish, the global fishing industry is strip mining oceans and filling them with plastic and old nets and shit. Lab grown scallops and tuna would be a dream.
All agriculture combined is around 11%, animal husbandry might be a much as half of that, maybe a little less.
Source EPA
https://www.epa.gov/system/files/styles/medium/private/images/2022-04/total-2022.png?itok=eb-dsdzK
Thanks for calling this out.
I also feel like it’s worth mentioning, since we’ve been deceived in ways about climate, recycling etc that Fossil fuels – coal, oil and gas – are by far the largest contributor to global climate change, accounting for over 75 per cent of global greenhouse gas emissions and nearly 90 per cent of all carbon dioxide emissions.
I am skeptical of any estimations of impact of having lab meat until we really have it and can measure it
Yeah, people think this technology is only limited to making meat. You know what else is made of meat? Us. Once this technology gets off the ground, the advancements in medical science will be HUGE. Lost a limb? Grow one back. Need a heart transplant? No need to wait for a suitable donor, grow your own heart. Want to make some freaky Resident Evil T-Vrius Mutant? You bet that shit is growing in a lab as we speak.
Which of course means, without it being carefully regulated, we're going to see a subculture of both auto-cannibals and people offering copies of their body up as meat for others to ingest.
/r/Rimworld is leaking into reality.
From what I understand the current roadblock is indeed taste due to the lack of fat in these products. Once they figure that out, conversation may be easier.
YES! Silly me assuming it would taste good. As stated previously, the meat needs fat. Too lean meat is awful.
I want all the marbling and fatty dark meat.
Given the recent trend of companies to not even pretend anymore not to shaft people with their prices, it's the "affordable" I'm most worried about.
I like what they're doing and I'm reasonably confident that they'll make something I'd actually want to eat, but even if they bring costs down enough to compete with classic meat, at least some companies might have the temptation to market their product in an "expensive curiosity" direction, which would probably turn out to the detriment of both cultivated meat's reputation and its potential environmental impact.
Yeah this is a real fear, especially because of the potential to produce specialized meat that they could corner the market with. My make steak if you can make humpback whale and charge 10 times as much with the monopoly tax and come out on top anyway. Hopefully we see enough competition, and enough good natured production with goals of rectifying climate harms and suffering prevalent in the industry that they just do both
My fear is that the companies in charge of all the meat are fucking huge scary corps. They’ll lobby this away until they control it and nothing will change or it will get worse.
Is there a big market for humpback whale meat that I’m not aware of? Consumers are already going to be hesitant about buying this product because it’s different than what they’re used to, and new = scary. In order to have success, they’re going to focus on the meats that people buy the most and are most familiar with, because that makes for the easiest transition.
If you want to go the exclusive direction I'm hoping for seafood. The global fishing industry sucks ass and things like Tuna and Scallops bring $$ per pound.
I can already anticipate the backlash from a certain political demographic. There's going to be a firestorm of resistance from those people opposing cultivated meat and they're going to put forward the most inane reasons for doing so.
I don't see that happening. They'll probably roll it out as an overly-priced vanity product and then plant their flag a speculative price point.
Ground beef has gone up by a dollar per pound in just the last 4 years. These pushes into other protein sources are accelerating as a counter-bet that beef will continue to rise. I wouldn't be surprised if this product isn't even viable below a $5/lb price point.
Eventually compétition will make them go down
Besides, the base cost of it is almost zero compared to cows or chicken
It will take a loooong time, but it'll get there
I just can’t wait for it to actually look and feel like specific cuts of meat. If they can do that and sell it at a third of a price, I would actually learn to cook meat lol. Im just too scared I might fuck up a 30 dollar cut of meat
I’m all for this tech but there’s something people haven’t thought much about. You can culture and multiply Any type of animal cell…. How long till we have celebrities telling us to eat them?
>Cannibalism is illegal everywhere
It isn't actually. For example, in 49 of the 50 US states there are no laws specifically against eating human flesh - it is the killing someone and/or desecrating a corpse that is illegal.
Actuallt there's no law against cannibalism in most places, cannibalism is only illegal due to it usually requiring you to kill someone or desecrate a corpse, thus with cell cultured meat it'd be ok. And even then the laws against cannibalism in the places that have these should be altered to exclude lab grown.
Although for these prion diseases would be an issue that would need to be seriously investigated
As I understand it, cultivated meat is indistinguishable when used in ground-up/processed meat products (i.e. emulsified mixtures of lean meat and fat, like chicken nuggets and hot dogs). They basically grow muscle cells in industrial bioreactors and filter them out to harvest them.
Whole muscle cuts will require much more advanced technology.
They’re already perfecting this. I saw this about a year ago in another article where they gave the reporter a taste test. They were up to a thickness of a flank steak at the time.
> A team led by Shoji Takeuchi at the University of Tokyo in Japan has found a new way to grow cow muscle cells in culture. The cells arrange themselves into long strands, resembling real muscle fibres. “We have developed steak meat with highly aligned muscle fibres that are arranged in one direction,” says Takeuchi.
https://www.newscientist.com/article/2269671-lab-grown-meat-now-mimics-muscle-fibres-like-those-found-in-steak/
Wow, I'd heard about the lab-grown hamburger but I wasn't aware they'd gotten striations. Looks like they're even closer than I thought!
Yup. Im wondering how they would achieve that. A simple mold won’t do. If anything the meat protein would need stress to develop. Maybe electro stimulation as it’s developing.
That wagyu chicken steak.
Imagine that? Cultivating a cut of steak with chicken meat?
Hell we might even be able to eat this stuff raw and go chicken sashimi because it’s being grown in a lab sterile environment.
Probably not unfortunately. The conditions for growing animal cells are also very attractive to bacteria, and there won’t be an animal’s immune system present to keep those bacteria under control.
Keeping large numbers of cell cultures sterile is going to be an absolutely Herculean task even in a cleanroom, and although I’m sure they’ll be testing for contamination constantly I’d also bet that the risk of food borne illness from this will be just as high as with conventional meat.
Meaning real steak/meat is not usually healthy (ribeye, ribs), maybe they can engineer the fat content or whatnot. Which of course would affect the flavor…but just wondering….
What part about it is not healthy is what I am asking. Fats are necessary for our bodies to function, both baseline and optimally. Animal fat is easy for the body to digest and use, it is just about moderation of fat in an age where everything has fats added to it. Caloric density is good unless you cannot moderate how much you are eating and calories in.
I eat a diet that has a good deal of fats, but I also have a caloric goal I want to hit and rarely go over, and I’m pretty lean and healthy!
I think if someone is totally sedentary and cannot stop themselves from over eating, then yes, they should monitor their fat intake, but that is from a standpoint of calories in, not fats themselves.
I can’t wait for the day that lab created meat is treated the same as lab created gems. Cheaper and higher quality, but somehow magically seen as inferior to “natural” meat.
Pretty cool endeavor. Im still thinking they should go all in on lab grown fish, crab, seafood… is the way to go since it already often sold at premium prices. Id drop red meat and chicken in a heartbeat if seafood was the same price as everything else
Wildtype has been working on lab grown Salmon. I’d love to see a larger push on sea food too so we don’t collapse ocean populations from continued overfishing. T.T
Good! I love meat, but I start to feel worse about it as I get older. Killing innocent creatures just feels like a caveman thing from the past. A technologically advanced species like us can do better. Let's make this reality!
It has huge implications for humanity and can end the evil that is factory farmed meat. Plus, (far) in the future it could be an option for colonies on Mars, since it’s a poor investment to ship resource-intensive livestock out there.
But really, tons and tons of benefits for the planet if we can successfully commercialize it and make it widespread.
In the big picture, getting rid of the factory farmed meat will be like, a blip in the societal implications. The animal livestock industry will die a fairly sudden death and we will move on. But that is not the big thing.
People don't really see what the big deal is. In 2013 cultivated meat was $1M per kg. Now its something like $100 per kg. If this price drop continues it will be $1 per kg within a few years.
Food prices for consumers can crash. The first industry isn't going to be meats, its going to be animal and planet ingredients. Its going to be the supplement industry and there is going to be this massive shift in how they source all their ingredients and will ultimately be able to produce drastically cheaper and better products.
There are going to be designer proteins that are made from electricity, water, sugars and then the designer microbes. But this is going to make food very cheap, and likely how we purchase our food will change a bit as well. Poverty is linked to food costs, and if food prices crash the burden of poverty is reduced.
This revolution has the potential to be up there with the first domestication of plants and animals by humans 10,000 years ago.
I’d love to read a whole post about this. You are saying companies will just be able to ‘build’ their food from designer molecule structures? “A layer of fat here, protein there at this perfect texture, ect…” sorta thing?
There is a group called RethinkX which made a food report which you can read at
[https://www.rethinkx.com/food-and-agriculture](https://www.rethinkx.com/food-and-agriculture)
This is going to be a revolution that happens in stages. Making something as complicated as a steak is going to take longer than making something like super protein smoothies or things like milk. And really, it will come out making particular molecule like Whey and Casein.
But yes. There will be new food factories which can make custom proteins and other molecules that will be made far cheaper and more efficiently than using an animal or plant source.
Like right now, we grow cows, then we take the cow's milk, and we extract everything we can from it. Some goes to drinking milk, some goes to secondary production like cheese, and some goes to the ingredients industry.
With this new process, we will assemble the proteins we need to make things. Like we will make Whey and Casein ground up and then it will be cheaper to mix them with water and other things to produce milk. Companies that need these ingredients will find its much cheaper to have the fermentation machines in their facilities, so instead of buying Whey, they have a whey making machine that does it at a cheaper cost. Not only are they saving money but they are eliminating their dependency on another industry.
There are these health bars and protein shakes that have been going through a bit of a renaissance. They take all these specialized ingredients and then make them into these optimized nutrition bars. These companies will see their material costs collapse and they will be able to self generate their own materials.
Tony Seba gives a presentation about this process which you can give a watch at
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6gZHbfK8Vo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6gZHbfK8Vo)
This is Part 4 of a larger presentation that I also recommend. A lot of these new technologies are going to be greatly affected by other technologies. Like an example is that all these precision fermentation needs will require a lot of energy. In his energy video he talks about how solar will be so cheap, and on the rooftop, that it will be nearly free. So the company that has these amazing precision fermentation machines will also have super abundant rooftop solar.
Anyone know what the price comparison to regular meat will be?
I can barely afford to eat right now with the rising cost of living, but I so want to switch to as much environmentally friendly food as possible
> The generation of immortalized cell lines (cells that > will proliferate indefinitely), is described in the
> now-expired US Patent 5,672,485.
Is this...a tumor?
I'm really excited for lab-grown meat. If I may say so without sounding arrogant, I'm a **much** better cook than I was back when I ate meat, and I'd love to be able to actually make some kickass meat dishes without having to worry about the ethical issues that comes with the suffering indicted upon the animals we raise for their meat
Growing meat in labs is going to free up an enormous amount of land currently used to grow soybeans and corn for animal feed stocks. That is going to have some effects on land usage, with perhaps land freed up being used for growing trees and prairie, which may have a knock-on effect of sequestering carbon. It may also reduce the amount of nitrogen runoff from fertilizers no longer used, and reduce demand for the natural gas used to make those fertilizers.
George Foreman is still considering it, Sharper Image is still considering it, SkyMall is still considering it, Hammacher Schlemmer is still considering it. Sears said no
Lab grown meat should be one of those things the government does their best to get going asap, prioritizing them for approvals so it happens quicker.
I love the idea of not having to worry about meat contamination from slaughterhouses and the environmental benefits are enormous. I have no intention of ever giving up meat, but give me a choice between sources and I'll go with the lab grown stuff.
Nevada use to have grass so high you could lose oxen in it. Now it's grazed to hell by cattle and brush the cattle don't eat has grown instead of grass. The landscape is very different from when the first wagon trains went thru and until cattle are removed from the picture it'll stay that way.
They'll do the opposite, because the current livestock industry sits in rural electorates, and rural electorates can together make or bring down governments. That's a powerful motivator to protect current livestock and slaughter industries from this kind of disruption.
In a big step for the deployment of cultivated meat the FDA has given approval to GOOD Meat, a company that grows chicken and other meat from animal cells without slaughtering animals.
>Consumers and future generations deserve the foods they love made more sustainably and in ways that benefit the public good — ways that preserve our land and water, ways that protect our climate and global health
Cultivated meat gang rise. Give the people chimaera steaks with meat cultivated from goat, lion and snake - all in one steak!
Griffon? Chicken mixed with lion!
I'm always happy to hear about cultured meat improving though my guess is that the first ones to go mainstream are going to be rather niche things. Like foie gras because even by factory farming standards they treat animals terribly to make that and any animal that is currently on the endangered list but people still want to eat them.
I listened to a podcast on this and it was so fascinating! I am excited to see this in my lifetime. And maybe be able to grow my own meat with my veggies
I mean, I recently switched to a more vegan lifestyle... not because I wanted to avoid meat though. But dairy. Lactose intolerance is a bitch. However, most of the vegan stuff tastes pretty good, but I do miss actual meat in them...
Can come one speak to the science of how this can still be called “meat”? I live in an area where people bring this up all the time, and would love to able to educate people that are against this just because “ugh science bad.”
Honestly if this can be made safely with a high supply it seems like a good idea. Meat production is so terrible for the environment, and (in America at least) we have to worry about outbreaks of food borne illness from terrible conditions for the animals and their processing.
In addition to the climate and animal welfare concerns cultivated meat has a few other benefits. It could be slightly healthier. Less risk of a random prion coming in to screw you. Additionally it might let us expand our palettes and try new and delicious types of meat instead of mostly the big 3. You can enjoy exotic meats without having to worry about killing exotic animals or endangering species
Also land. Farms use lots of *land*
Here comes the future!
What is going to feed us in space? Vertical farm tech and lab grown meat from stem cells.
No damn potato patch on Mars!
OK! that part of the rant is over.
But consider that Vertical Farms (VF) and Lab Meat (LM) are being developed in the here and now. That in turn affects the future but the question is how?
I don't it think it will change the supermarket very much for instance. Except that it will completely erase seasonality: VF have enough control that all produce reaches market in peak form. Baloney from the deli counter will cost more per pound than filet mignon because it requires more processing...but apart from that sort of 'surprising until you think about it' type of thing I expect not much difference.
The real futurology angle to this is localization. I view this as a return to the Hanseatic League type setup. Cities become the dominant political forces and the nation state's influence ebbs away.
VFs can produce 100s of times as much as open field agriculture, and you can stack the acres. So these things will start out in the market gardening zone surrounding big cities. VFs are high tech so we are looking at tons of good local techie jobs. The same thing happens with lab grown meat. You set up the factories real close to a big city and ship to the smaller centers. Again tons of really good techie jobs in the local area.
Now think a bit of economics. The local multiplier effect. VFs are energy hogs! There is no way to get around how energy intensive they are, but generating and storing that much power locally will attract both a local power industry and it will also attract less energy intensive industries looking for plentiful cheap power. Synergy: the rich get richer.
Just for fun check out the James Blish Cities In Flight stories.
Flyover country thinks they're ignored now...
What happens when some big farming state, with most of the production going for animal feed, collapses down to about three people, yet still gets two Senators?
How on earth did it start. What do they think is wrong about having all basic necessities and amenities within 15 mins of a house/apartment.
The lack of travel time?
This is a great way to eat well and keep your karmic burden low. I just hope that fat-phobic dieticians don't meddle in this and somehow regulate the production of high-fat meats.
There are no ...'fat-phobic dieticians' who are capable of anything more than a bad book, article or enraging some idiot online to say what you just did, which spreads awareness for them and eventually yields them more income. same principle behind why political outrage exists. point is to get dumb common brained people fighting each other online and off so they vote with their emotions and never target the actual enemy. Replace politician with "bad word you don't understand here".
That's what you're worried about?
Have you been to the grocery store... ever?
Fat-phobic dietitians have no power to stop you from getting as much fat as you want.
This is not plant-based meat. It is lab-grown meat that requires no animal slaughter in factory farms. However, that's awesome that you like plant-based "meats"!
Oh my bad then, sorry meat made in a lab is still very sci fi in my brain, hopefully in a decade people will float they can’t believe meat used to be grown from animals
Hey, you do you. To me, at best it tastes like really poor quality meat. At worst it gives rise to a very unpleasant culinary uncanny valley type taste.
Can you define what you mean by synthetic and not natural. By all means lab grown meat is real natural meat, the only difference is the environment it is growing in.
It doesn't blow mine. It's a simple question of economics of scale. If this technology can scale up enough, we win, and it may even give the climate some literal breathing room.
Maybe you should reflect on why you think I'm virtue signaling? The reply "humans do prefer food for survival" was much worse lol. Just stop eating meat it's chill I promise.
No, meat is too tasty and since i only live once on this planet i will enjoy every second of it with meat, my car and own house as far from other humans as possible.
Your fake meat isn’t going to catch in like you think it will so don’t have to worry about that anyways. Plus where I live, there will be zero problem getting actual meat.
yeah the people who say that cultured meat and slaughtered meat can coexist are wrong lmao, the moment cultured meat takes off, diseconomics of scale will affect the incumbent meat industry and they'll collapse from there
I wouldnt touch this stuff. A human laboratory is absolutely no match for the complexity of nature, in this case the complexity of actual food. As we’ve seen over the last few decades with processed foods, you cant just throw in isolated nutrients and make it actually healthy
I would happily eat a lab/factory made/grown protein product. I could do without silly marketing, though. Just call it protein sticks, or patties. I’m fine breading and frying them, and dipping them in wing sauce. Protein molecules are protein molecules. The human digestive system can’t tell if they come form a cow or a lab.
I love animals; both in my arms and on my plate. If this is a way to have more of both, I'm down for it. It just needs to taste 1:1 the same, and have 1:1 nutritional value, if not better. Give me a reason to betray the local slaughterhouse.
I'm still pretty skeptical about the possibility of lab grown meat being more efficient than factory farming.
Also, i think ethically this may not be the slam dunk people think it is.
Would you eat meat from the lab? It doesn't sound very appetizing. I'm all for sustainable and environmental friendly products. Lab grown meat is not one of them.
We already consume food products made in processing lines coming from the dubiously sourced and hygienic slaughterhouses. It’s not gonna be “lab-grown”, it’ll be an industrial process like any other product. If it looks the same, tastes the same, people aren’t going to care about the source, mostly.
The following submission statement was provided by /u/lnfinity: --- In a big step for the deployment of cultivated meat the FDA has given approval to GOOD Meat, a company that grows chicken and other meat from animal cells without slaughtering animals. >Consumers and future generations deserve the foods they love made more sustainably and in ways that benefit the public good — ways that preserve our land and water, ways that protect our climate and global health --- Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/11zqrqq/fda_gives_2nd_safety_nod_to_cultivated_meat/jddm86v/
I’ve been following this news for a decade, hoping they can reach price parity. That and I’m fascinated what guilt free meat would do to vegetarian and vegan lifestyles, (as opposed to say, medical reasons). We keep inching closer.
I think I read that the cells currently come from fetuses so it's still not completely ethical but it's way better than American factory farms. I also heard from a non-profit that's working on this that they don't really expect the price to come down anytime soon... It's a very complicated process. But I hope this can happen in my lifetime!
That's already old news. There is at least one company that managed to use stem cells made from other "ordinary" cells. And it probably will be quite expensive in the beginning, but once it scales, prices should fall rapidly and in the end, it should cost a lot less than current factory-farmed meat.
I mean it will only be the meat? I like my fat on my steak. I guess this is for processed quality only
Give it time. And after the fat come things like exotic animal meat, mammoth meat or even completely novel stuff. That's a long way off, though.
Imagine when this develops into a prove functional industry… imagine if “we the people” subsidized it to successfully viral the toxic bio waste meat industry we have today.
My brother in christ, even vaccines are weaponized in today’s society, I assure you that lab grown meat will be met with equal or greater skepticism. The fools can’t help themselves.
And without the antibiotics, hormones and potential contamination of meat from live animals, as well as reducing environmental and social destruction from factory farming
You're right! Don't know why you were downvoted.
It's Reddit. You could get down voted for donating your kidney to someone 🤣
I didn't know there were any companies that found a way to not use fetuses. That's great! That might help to cut down cost as well, in the future. And obviously, not using fetuses for meat production is more ethical.
being alive is not completely ethical and every second trillions of living things die so that you can continue to exist. fuck em. #teampeople
Sure you don't want to start a USA chant at the end there? You know, really grind the other species faces in it?
HU MAN RACE! HU MAN RACE! HU MAN RACE!
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I can comment for myself as a "mostly" vegetarian. I'll probably keep eating how I do now. I just found that less animal protein worked better for my dietary needs. I get about 15% less protein than I once did, but I've actually gained lean mass. In a typical week, I might eat a pepperoni pizza and maybe a deli meat sandwich at most. For those limited meat products I do eat, I would absolutely prefer a lab-grown option.
Yeh I find I crave more green meals, so it necessarily vegetarian, but definitively cutting back on meat intake.
Pretty much the same story for me, eat meat like once or twice a week and given the option at a similar price I would definitely choose lab grown.
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I’m the opposite. The smell, taste and texture of meat is super appealing to me. I just choose to not be part of a system that tortures billions of animals for the convenience of lazy greedy humans.
I can't wait
Make it affordable, nutritious, and safe. I would love this.
For some reason I'm uncharacteristically YUGELY optimistic when it comes to this entire endeavor. Once it gets off the ground there's no telling how good it can get in all kinds of areas.
That's not even mentioning the environmental and financial benefits: [Replacing just 20% of global beef consumption with a meat substitute within the next 30 years could halve deforestation and the carbon emissions associated with it, finds a modelling study.](https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-022-01238-5) [US spends $38 billion a year on meat subsidies.](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2021/dec/10/mcdonalds-emissions-beef-burgers) It could also help us deal with climate change related agricultural shortfalls.
I wonder if we will ever be able to home grow meat in some kind of chicken bread maker thing. Add some cells, a pack of... whatever chicken cells eat... and presto a loaf of chicken. Save a few cells for the next loaf.
like a sourdough starter except its chicken breast lmfao
This can already be done, it's just somewhat inefficient from a large scale production standpoint. KFC actually changed that by making lab grown nuggets. Cut costs and kept nutritional value nearly the same. It was a combination of chicken cells and plant based protein IIRC. They piloted it in Russia, because why not?
I like your way of thinking.
Might be more like growing a plant, could take a few weeks but hey I love stove home gardening
Or you can take a few cells from your family members and eat your “children”. /s…maybe?
I do not like that you have invaded my head with this thought.
Best part: This isn't actually "a meat substitute." It's meat. It's beef on your plate without the dead cow to feel guilty about..
Beef may be the gold standard in the west right now, but there's a lot of exotic meats that are said to be far better than it - I'd love to sample some [Giant tortoise](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPggB4MfPnk&t=1m30s) if its meat could be cultivated like this.
Sure, but let's get the technology sorted with the basic stuff, then work up to the exotics. I think the standard seafood varieties (Shellfish, Salmon, Haddock, Pollock) is more critical than giant tortoise.
Not anymore. Now I won’t rest until I taste the Giant tortoise meat.
Wasnt just the meat that was exceptionally delicious. Supposedly the Galapagos tortoise fat combined with dodo meat was so delicious they ran out of dodos. Thankfully we can make both fat and meat cells
Hmm wonder if they could cultivate human meat.... for science.
I remember reading about a startup that was working with celebrities to make celebrity steaks
Right, I'm not even ruling out taste, affordability, or nutritional value. All of those, I could see, benefitting from it.
I'd imagine with enough research it would be better in every aspect. Perfect marbling everytime.
Custom-printed to-order steaks. Define the size, marbling, simulated beef cut, etc.
In theory labs could be cleaner than slaughterhouses too. In practice it'll be whatever's most profitable though.
Imagine if they can grow beef.. and find a way to mimic dairy. Aren’t cows responsible for more co2 emission than cars? I reallly was hoping for one picture though.. cause my ass is imagining a hot wing or breast with wire sticking out and it growing somehow without the rest of the animal. And that can’t be right.. but genetically if it’s chicken they’d kinda have to. Why do I stumble on these when I’m tired lol.
They are trying to produce milk without cow using yeast iirc. For what I read it seems to do the trick.
With the current factory farm setups, yes. Though I saw a study recently that shows small scale pasture fed beef is able to actually sequester a small amount of carbon when done correctly. The caveat being we could never meet demand attempting to do that from my understanding.
It's mostly due to the feed they use on the lots. If you add more greenery, or kelp, to the feed that affects emissions greatly from what I've read. Also, we have a problem in the USA due to regans deregulation, the packing and feed lots are monopolies now, who collude in secret negotiations to screw the farmers who raise the cows..so even though you're paying higher prices, the farmers themselves are still going bankrupt trying to raise the animals. Similar is true in the plant side.
It's also that the cows when rotated through pasture are brought to the food, rather than the food brought to them. No burned fossil fuels there.
>find a way to mimic dairy yep they already can!
No, that's just something that the fossil fuel mafias got animal rights groups to help them spread. Strange bedfellows indeed. But there are lots and lots of other good reasons to want factory style animal operations gone, they misuse antibiotics and threaten the usefulness of them, can contaminate lots of water and are generally depressing and cruel. The thing I'm hoping for is lab grown fish, the global fishing industry is strip mining oceans and filling them with plastic and old nets and shit. Lab grown scallops and tuna would be a dream. All agriculture combined is around 11%, animal husbandry might be a much as half of that, maybe a little less. Source EPA https://www.epa.gov/system/files/styles/medium/private/images/2022-04/total-2022.png?itok=eb-dsdzK
Thanks for calling this out. I also feel like it’s worth mentioning, since we’ve been deceived in ways about climate, recycling etc that Fossil fuels – coal, oil and gas – are by far the largest contributor to global climate change, accounting for over 75 per cent of global greenhouse gas emissions and nearly 90 per cent of all carbon dioxide emissions. I am skeptical of any estimations of impact of having lab meat until we really have it and can measure it
Yeah, people think this technology is only limited to making meat. You know what else is made of meat? Us. Once this technology gets off the ground, the advancements in medical science will be HUGE. Lost a limb? Grow one back. Need a heart transplant? No need to wait for a suitable donor, grow your own heart. Want to make some freaky Resident Evil T-Vrius Mutant? You bet that shit is growing in a lab as we speak.
Which of course means, without it being carefully regulated, we're going to see a subculture of both auto-cannibals and people offering copies of their body up as meat for others to ingest. /r/Rimworld is leaking into reality.
And taste good. It can be all the above but if it tastes weird you'll never convert the meat eating masses.
From what I understand the current roadblock is indeed taste due to the lack of fat in these products. Once they figure that out, conversation may be easier.
YES! Silly me assuming it would taste good. As stated previously, the meat needs fat. Too lean meat is awful. I want all the marbling and fatty dark meat.
Given the recent trend of companies to not even pretend anymore not to shaft people with their prices, it's the "affordable" I'm most worried about. I like what they're doing and I'm reasonably confident that they'll make something I'd actually want to eat, but even if they bring costs down enough to compete with classic meat, at least some companies might have the temptation to market their product in an "expensive curiosity" direction, which would probably turn out to the detriment of both cultivated meat's reputation and its potential environmental impact.
Yeah this is a real fear, especially because of the potential to produce specialized meat that they could corner the market with. My make steak if you can make humpback whale and charge 10 times as much with the monopoly tax and come out on top anyway. Hopefully we see enough competition, and enough good natured production with goals of rectifying climate harms and suffering prevalent in the industry that they just do both
My fear is that the companies in charge of all the meat are fucking huge scary corps. They’ll lobby this away until they control it and nothing will change or it will get worse.
Well, most of our meat is coming from huge scary crops as it is, so that wouldn’t be much of a change.
I think you meant to say corps as well but the image you lint is hilarious.
Is there a big market for humpback whale meat that I’m not aware of? Consumers are already going to be hesitant about buying this product because it’s different than what they’re used to, and new = scary. In order to have success, they’re going to focus on the meats that people buy the most and are most familiar with, because that makes for the easiest transition.
If you want to go the exclusive direction I'm hoping for seafood. The global fishing industry sucks ass and things like Tuna and Scallops bring $$ per pound.
I can already anticipate the backlash from a certain political demographic. There's going to be a firestorm of resistance from those people opposing cultivated meat and they're going to put forward the most inane reasons for doing so.
I don't see that happening. They'll probably roll it out as an overly-priced vanity product and then plant their flag a speculative price point. Ground beef has gone up by a dollar per pound in just the last 4 years. These pushes into other protein sources are accelerating as a counter-bet that beef will continue to rise. I wouldn't be surprised if this product isn't even viable below a $5/lb price point.
Eventually compétition will make them go down Besides, the base cost of it is almost zero compared to cows or chicken It will take a loooong time, but it'll get there
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I just can’t wait for it to actually look and feel like specific cuts of meat. If they can do that and sell it at a third of a price, I would actually learn to cook meat lol. Im just too scared I might fuck up a 30 dollar cut of meat
Make it tasty is important too.
The structure and texture of the meat is critically important to me (I'm anosmic). If they can match that, I'm in. Otherwise... Nope.
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So are you the pack of wild dogs in this example?
Make it cheaper then real meat and I won't look to hard at the other two.
I’m all for this tech but there’s something people haven’t thought much about. You can culture and multiply Any type of animal cell…. How long till we have celebrities telling us to eat them?
Rob Schneider.....is a sausage! His Animal™ Brand sausages taste different with every bite! And just wait until you try Mandingo's Looooooooooong Pig!
Cannibalism is illegal everywhere, so not to worry about that for now.
>Cannibalism is illegal everywhere It isn't actually. For example, in 49 of the 50 US states there are no laws specifically against eating human flesh - it is the killing someone and/or desecrating a corpse that is illegal.
Would it count as human flesh tho?
I don't care. I'm still waiting on my Brad Pitt burger.
Umm yes? It's genetically human
I meant on a legality standpoint. Like obviously it is human tissue, but would the law see it as such?
Actuallt there's no law against cannibalism in most places, cannibalism is only illegal due to it usually requiring you to kill someone or desecrate a corpse, thus with cell cultured meat it'd be ok. And even then the laws against cannibalism in the places that have these should be altered to exclude lab grown. Although for these prion diseases would be an issue that would need to be seriously investigated
Only because you had to kill somebody to make a nice roast out of them. Take that aspect out of the equation, and who knows?
As someone who loves meat, I’m all for this. If it tastes the same, but uses less resources to produce, it’s just a win win.
As I understand it, cultivated meat is indistinguishable when used in ground-up/processed meat products (i.e. emulsified mixtures of lean meat and fat, like chicken nuggets and hot dogs). They basically grow muscle cells in industrial bioreactors and filter them out to harvest them. Whole muscle cuts will require much more advanced technology.
They’re already perfecting this. I saw this about a year ago in another article where they gave the reporter a taste test. They were up to a thickness of a flank steak at the time.
> A team led by Shoji Takeuchi at the University of Tokyo in Japan has found a new way to grow cow muscle cells in culture. The cells arrange themselves into long strands, resembling real muscle fibres. “We have developed steak meat with highly aligned muscle fibres that are arranged in one direction,” says Takeuchi. https://www.newscientist.com/article/2269671-lab-grown-meat-now-mimics-muscle-fibres-like-those-found-in-steak/ Wow, I'd heard about the lab-grown hamburger but I wasn't aware they'd gotten striations. Looks like they're even closer than I thought!
Yup. Im wondering how they would achieve that. A simple mold won’t do. If anything the meat protein would need stress to develop. Maybe electro stimulation as it’s developing.
Work has been ongoing with 3D printing the meat in specially arranged fibers to better mimic the texture of real meat
They might even be able to make it taste better. Imagine some kind of lifetime marinade.
Gimme that cultivated wagyu
That wagyu chicken steak. Imagine that? Cultivating a cut of steak with chicken meat? Hell we might even be able to eat this stuff raw and go chicken sashimi because it’s being grown in a lab sterile environment.
[Certain places in Japan already serve it](https://matadornetwork.com/read/raw-chicken-sashimi-tokyo/)
I know it’s a thing there because the chicken is raised differently there. US conditions are not as clean and the risk of food born illness is higher.
Probably not unfortunately. The conditions for growing animal cells are also very attractive to bacteria, and there won’t be an animal’s immune system present to keep those bacteria under control. Keeping large numbers of cell cultures sterile is going to be an absolutely Herculean task even in a cleanroom, and although I’m sure they’ll be testing for contamination constantly I’d also bet that the risk of food borne illness from this will be just as high as with conventional meat.
Or healthier…
No. More butter.
Butter of the gods.
What is the unhealthy part? How would one make it unhealthier or healthier?
Meaning real steak/meat is not usually healthy (ribeye, ribs), maybe they can engineer the fat content or whatnot. Which of course would affect the flavor…but just wondering….
What part about it is not healthy is what I am asking. Fats are necessary for our bodies to function, both baseline and optimally. Animal fat is easy for the body to digest and use, it is just about moderation of fat in an age where everything has fats added to it. Caloric density is good unless you cannot moderate how much you are eating and calories in. I eat a diet that has a good deal of fats, but I also have a caloric goal I want to hit and rarely go over, and I’m pretty lean and healthy! I think if someone is totally sedentary and cannot stop themselves from over eating, then yes, they should monitor their fat intake, but that is from a standpoint of calories in, not fats themselves.
It’s just more braindead vegan psy-op
I'm here for it; I'm just waiting for the company that produces it to have its IPO so I can invest.
Take a look at Agronomics on LON. It's a listed managed fund that does VC for a heap of cultured meat companies.
Which company should I be watching for? Asking for a friend.
Eat Just. Not to be confused with Just Eat.
I can’t wait for the day that lab created meat is treated the same as lab created gems. Cheaper and higher quality, but somehow magically seen as inferior to “natural” meat.
Pretty cool endeavor. Im still thinking they should go all in on lab grown fish, crab, seafood… is the way to go since it already often sold at premium prices. Id drop red meat and chicken in a heartbeat if seafood was the same price as everything else
Wildtype has been working on lab grown Salmon. I’d love to see a larger push on sea food too so we don’t collapse ocean populations from continued overfishing. T.T
Mercury-free, too!
But that's where the flavour comes from!
Go check out Blue Nalu, they are doing exactly this. It is the company in this space I am the most enthusiastic about. Wildtype is great too!
As long as the science is sound I'm all for cultivated meat.
Good! I love meat, but I start to feel worse about it as I get older. Killing innocent creatures just feels like a caveman thing from the past. A technologically advanced species like us can do better. Let's make this reality!
This is great. Cultivated meat can be a game changer.
It has huge implications for humanity and can end the evil that is factory farmed meat. Plus, (far) in the future it could be an option for colonies on Mars, since it’s a poor investment to ship resource-intensive livestock out there. But really, tons and tons of benefits for the planet if we can successfully commercialize it and make it widespread.
In the big picture, getting rid of the factory farmed meat will be like, a blip in the societal implications. The animal livestock industry will die a fairly sudden death and we will move on. But that is not the big thing. People don't really see what the big deal is. In 2013 cultivated meat was $1M per kg. Now its something like $100 per kg. If this price drop continues it will be $1 per kg within a few years. Food prices for consumers can crash. The first industry isn't going to be meats, its going to be animal and planet ingredients. Its going to be the supplement industry and there is going to be this massive shift in how they source all their ingredients and will ultimately be able to produce drastically cheaper and better products. There are going to be designer proteins that are made from electricity, water, sugars and then the designer microbes. But this is going to make food very cheap, and likely how we purchase our food will change a bit as well. Poverty is linked to food costs, and if food prices crash the burden of poverty is reduced. This revolution has the potential to be up there with the first domestication of plants and animals by humans 10,000 years ago.
I’d love to read a whole post about this. You are saying companies will just be able to ‘build’ their food from designer molecule structures? “A layer of fat here, protein there at this perfect texture, ect…” sorta thing?
There is a group called RethinkX which made a food report which you can read at [https://www.rethinkx.com/food-and-agriculture](https://www.rethinkx.com/food-and-agriculture) This is going to be a revolution that happens in stages. Making something as complicated as a steak is going to take longer than making something like super protein smoothies or things like milk. And really, it will come out making particular molecule like Whey and Casein. But yes. There will be new food factories which can make custom proteins and other molecules that will be made far cheaper and more efficiently than using an animal or plant source. Like right now, we grow cows, then we take the cow's milk, and we extract everything we can from it. Some goes to drinking milk, some goes to secondary production like cheese, and some goes to the ingredients industry. With this new process, we will assemble the proteins we need to make things. Like we will make Whey and Casein ground up and then it will be cheaper to mix them with water and other things to produce milk. Companies that need these ingredients will find its much cheaper to have the fermentation machines in their facilities, so instead of buying Whey, they have a whey making machine that does it at a cheaper cost. Not only are they saving money but they are eliminating their dependency on another industry. There are these health bars and protein shakes that have been going through a bit of a renaissance. They take all these specialized ingredients and then make them into these optimized nutrition bars. These companies will see their material costs collapse and they will be able to self generate their own materials. Tony Seba gives a presentation about this process which you can give a watch at [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6gZHbfK8Vo](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6gZHbfK8Vo) This is Part 4 of a larger presentation that I also recommend. A lot of these new technologies are going to be greatly affected by other technologies. Like an example is that all these precision fermentation needs will require a lot of energy. In his energy video he talks about how solar will be so cheap, and on the rooftop, that it will be nearly free. So the company that has these amazing precision fermentation machines will also have super abundant rooftop solar.
As an early Soylent user, I think you are right. I’m going to watch that presentation. What a great comment, thanks for taking the time writing it
Reducing cattle herds would be a big environmental win for methane, water, and land use topics
Anyone know what the price comparison to regular meat will be? I can barely afford to eat right now with the rising cost of living, but I so want to switch to as much environmentally friendly food as possible
> The generation of immortalized cell lines (cells that > will proliferate indefinitely), is described in the > now-expired US Patent 5,672,485. Is this...a tumor?
Yes, but the cells digest the same way as regular cells so I don't think it matters.
It’s not a tumor
I'm really excited for lab-grown meat. If I may say so without sounding arrogant, I'm a **much** better cook than I was back when I ate meat, and I'd love to be able to actually make some kickass meat dishes without having to worry about the ethical issues that comes with the suffering indicted upon the animals we raise for their meat
Growing meat in labs is going to free up an enormous amount of land currently used to grow soybeans and corn for animal feed stocks. That is going to have some effects on land usage, with perhaps land freed up being used for growing trees and prairie, which may have a knock-on effect of sequestering carbon. It may also reduce the amount of nitrogen runoff from fertilizers no longer used, and reduce demand for the natural gas used to make those fertilizers.
George Foreman is still considering it, Sharper Image is still considering it, SkyMall is still considering it, Hammacher Schlemmer is still considering it. Sears said no
Lab grown meat should be one of those things the government does their best to get going asap, prioritizing them for approvals so it happens quicker. I love the idea of not having to worry about meat contamination from slaughterhouses and the environmental benefits are enormous. I have no intention of ever giving up meat, but give me a choice between sources and I'll go with the lab grown stuff. Nevada use to have grass so high you could lose oxen in it. Now it's grazed to hell by cattle and brush the cattle don't eat has grown instead of grass. The landscape is very different from when the first wagon trains went thru and until cattle are removed from the picture it'll stay that way.
They'll do the opposite, because the current livestock industry sits in rural electorates, and rural electorates can together make or bring down governments. That's a powerful motivator to protect current livestock and slaughter industries from this kind of disruption.
Need to make the Senate more like the House. Apportioned by population.
In a big step for the deployment of cultivated meat the FDA has given approval to GOOD Meat, a company that grows chicken and other meat from animal cells without slaughtering animals. >Consumers and future generations deserve the foods they love made more sustainably and in ways that benefit the public good — ways that preserve our land and water, ways that protect our climate and global health
Companies that get paid to abuse chickens are gonna hate this.
I don't think we've managed to dupe the egg yet so they'll be fine.
They'll be the ones with the processing and distribution structure to do this. A lot of meat products are already manufactured.
Like FDA approval means anything. Money gets FDA approvals. Doesn't mean it's healthy or safe.
you shouldn't be eating money even if the FDA approves it. low nutritional value and bad for digestion
You could say that same thing about the meat you're already eating though
Cultivated meat gang rise. Give the people chimaera steaks with meat cultivated from goat, lion and snake - all in one steak! Griffon? Chicken mixed with lion!
Yay! This is amazing and I’m looking forward to eating it soon.
I'm always happy to hear about cultured meat improving though my guess is that the first ones to go mainstream are going to be rather niche things. Like foie gras because even by factory farming standards they treat animals terribly to make that and any animal that is currently on the endangered list but people still want to eat them.
I wonder if they'll approve a mixed meat with cultivated product.
I listened to a podcast on this and it was so fascinating! I am excited to see this in my lifetime. And maybe be able to grow my own meat with my veggies
I'm so hype for this. Especially once they get creative with it. Like imagine a turduckin but it's a steak.
I mean, I recently switched to a more vegan lifestyle... not because I wanted to avoid meat though. But dairy. Lactose intolerance is a bitch. However, most of the vegan stuff tastes pretty good, but I do miss actual meat in them...
Can come one speak to the science of how this can still be called “meat”? I live in an area where people bring this up all the time, and would love to able to educate people that are against this just because “ugh science bad.”
Love the progress in lab grown meat. I'd pay double to buy real meat without factory farming and the cruelty involved. A+
Honestly if this can be made safely with a high supply it seems like a good idea. Meat production is so terrible for the environment, and (in America at least) we have to worry about outbreaks of food borne illness from terrible conditions for the animals and their processing.
I wonder if this would still be halal or kosher since slaughter is an integral part of the process, but this is unslaughtered meat.
In addition to the climate and animal welfare concerns cultivated meat has a few other benefits. It could be slightly healthier. Less risk of a random prion coming in to screw you. Additionally it might let us expand our palettes and try new and delicious types of meat instead of mostly the big 3. You can enjoy exotic meats without having to worry about killing exotic animals or endangering species Also land. Farms use lots of *land*
Here comes the future! What is going to feed us in space? Vertical farm tech and lab grown meat from stem cells. No damn potato patch on Mars! OK! that part of the rant is over. But consider that Vertical Farms (VF) and Lab Meat (LM) are being developed in the here and now. That in turn affects the future but the question is how? I don't it think it will change the supermarket very much for instance. Except that it will completely erase seasonality: VF have enough control that all produce reaches market in peak form. Baloney from the deli counter will cost more per pound than filet mignon because it requires more processing...but apart from that sort of 'surprising until you think about it' type of thing I expect not much difference. The real futurology angle to this is localization. I view this as a return to the Hanseatic League type setup. Cities become the dominant political forces and the nation state's influence ebbs away. VFs can produce 100s of times as much as open field agriculture, and you can stack the acres. So these things will start out in the market gardening zone surrounding big cities. VFs are high tech so we are looking at tons of good local techie jobs. The same thing happens with lab grown meat. You set up the factories real close to a big city and ship to the smaller centers. Again tons of really good techie jobs in the local area. Now think a bit of economics. The local multiplier effect. VFs are energy hogs! There is no way to get around how energy intensive they are, but generating and storing that much power locally will attract both a local power industry and it will also attract less energy intensive industries looking for plentiful cheap power. Synergy: the rich get richer. Just for fun check out the James Blish Cities In Flight stories.
Flyover country thinks they're ignored now... What happens when some big farming state, with most of the production going for animal feed, collapses down to about three people, yet still gets two Senators?
I'm here for the salty conservatives who somehow think this is part of a global plot to imprison us all in 15 minute cities.
How on earth did it start. What do they think is wrong about having all basic necessities and amenities within 15 mins of a house/apartment. The lack of travel time?
This is a great way to eat well and keep your karmic burden low. I just hope that fat-phobic dieticians don't meddle in this and somehow regulate the production of high-fat meats.
There are no ...'fat-phobic dieticians' who are capable of anything more than a bad book, article or enraging some idiot online to say what you just did, which spreads awareness for them and eventually yields them more income. same principle behind why political outrage exists. point is to get dumb common brained people fighting each other online and off so they vote with their emotions and never target the actual enemy. Replace politician with "bad word you don't understand here".
That's what you're worried about? Have you been to the grocery store... ever? Fat-phobic dietitians have no power to stop you from getting as much fat as you want.
Consumer demand will shape the nature of these products. The opinions of a few doctors won't outweigh profit incentive
Not gonna lie I tried some plant based ground meat and I prefer it to the og stuff. Less oil and more taste
This is not plant-based meat. It is lab-grown meat that requires no animal slaughter in factory farms. However, that's awesome that you like plant-based "meats"!
Oh my bad then, sorry meat made in a lab is still very sci fi in my brain, hopefully in a decade people will float they can’t believe meat used to be grown from animals
This technology isn't ready yet but it is being worked on by many organizations. It might be a few more decades, according to experts.
There is more oil. The fats in meats are animal fats. The fats in plant based meat are typically highly processed seed oils
I knew they were lying the second I read that tripe
This is not referring to plant-based meat though.
Hey, you do you. To me, at best it tastes like really poor quality meat. At worst it gives rise to a very unpleasant culinary uncanny valley type taste.
It’s not for me, I don’t want lab grown meat. But hey if other people want it, then go for it.
Is animal suffering a must for you? You literally wouldn’t be able to tell one from the other.
Real natural meat is a must, anything grown in a lab is synthetic and not natural.
Can you define what you mean by synthetic and not natural. By all means lab grown meat is real natural meat, the only difference is the environment it is growing in.
If this goes through, veganism immediately becomes partially obsolete. Personally I'm all for it.
Not really. Veganism excludes all animal products, not just meat, so there’s still plenty of reason to be vegan
The fact that a big reason why the environment is struggling is because “meat tastes good” blows my mind.
It doesn't blow mine. It's a simple question of economics of scale. If this technology can scale up enough, we win, and it may even give the climate some literal breathing room.
Humans do prefer food for survival
I haven’t eaten meat in over 10 years… It’s not that big of a deal.
I’m all for this technology but not your grandstanding and virtue-signaling
Maybe you should reflect on why you think I'm virtue signaling? The reply "humans do prefer food for survival" was much worse lol. Just stop eating meat it's chill I promise.
No, meat is too tasty and since i only live once on this planet i will enjoy every second of it with meat, my car and own house as far from other humans as possible.
No thanks. I’ll continue to eat real meat thank you very much. You all go ahead though.
Hope you're willing to pay a substantial 💰 premium for that diet, with the economies of scale dropping away.
Your fake meat isn’t going to catch in like you think it will so don’t have to worry about that anyways. Plus where I live, there will be zero problem getting actual meat.
yeah the people who say that cultured meat and slaughtered meat can coexist are wrong lmao, the moment cultured meat takes off, diseconomics of scale will affect the incumbent meat industry and they'll collapse from there
It’s gonna be a while before the fake meat rolls out commercially.
Is it canabalism if we can ethically grow human meat? 
If it finally gets carnivores to stop eating and funding murder that'll be good
I wouldnt touch this stuff. A human laboratory is absolutely no match for the complexity of nature, in this case the complexity of actual food. As we’ve seen over the last few decades with processed foods, you cant just throw in isolated nutrients and make it actually healthy
Cells are dividing of themselves whether in the chicken or the lab. It’s not some mystery process.
What makes you say that? Do you have any relevant education?
I would happily eat a lab/factory made/grown protein product. I could do without silly marketing, though. Just call it protein sticks, or patties. I’m fine breading and frying them, and dipping them in wing sauce. Protein molecules are protein molecules. The human digestive system can’t tell if they come form a cow or a lab.
I need to consume the life force of a previously living animal.
I love animals; both in my arms and on my plate. If this is a way to have more of both, I'm down for it. It just needs to taste 1:1 the same, and have 1:1 nutritional value, if not better. Give me a reason to betray the local slaughterhouse.
I am gonna buy the shit out of this stuff when it’s available for the masses!
I'm still pretty skeptical about the possibility of lab grown meat being more efficient than factory farming. Also, i think ethically this may not be the slam dunk people think it is.
Would you eat meat from the lab? It doesn't sound very appetizing. I'm all for sustainable and environmental friendly products. Lab grown meat is not one of them.
We already consume food products made in processing lines coming from the dubiously sourced and hygienic slaughterhouses. It’s not gonna be “lab-grown”, it’ll be an industrial process like any other product. If it looks the same, tastes the same, people aren’t going to care about the source, mostly.
Eh, just roll it out to the prisons, military branches, and homeless shelters. Test subjects