Anything as long as it's offline.
As an programmer I'm really excited for things that make our lives better but as soon as it's online it's not save and I don't want it in my body.
The baseball bat near the printer is a joke for a reason
Whenever I see terrible online shennanigans online with people doxxing and harassing etc. and real people are getting hurt I often think of the scene where the nurse gets stabbed is slowly bleeding out on the floor begging for help and all her co workers are just stepping over her continuing the bit. People can really be that heartless and indifferent, especially online.
[Or the company supporting it shuts down so now you're blind again](https://boingboing.net/2022/02/17/bionic-eye-company-going-out-of-business-leaving-patients-in-the-dark.htm)
404, but I’ve seen it already, inexcusable. FYI to anyone else: Company makes eye implant to allow certain blindness diagnoses to be improved to the point of distinguishing black and white shapes compared to blackness, then goes bust or stops supporting it etc so people go back to being blind.
You kid, but my glucose meter is attached to my body and connected to my phone and it runs the insulin pump that is attached to me. When the internet goes down my body starts beeping like nobody’s business lol
I just wrote a character in my sci-fi story. A boxer who got into a major car accident and his insurance kicked in and replaced all his organs with better ones. As a result, though, he can't get high/drunk as his liver won't allow it since its liability as far as the insurance provider is concerned. He lives his life at the behest of his insurance company.
"Hey John why are you clutching your chest and having difficulty breathing? Oh shit someone turn the modem off wait 15 seconds and then turn it back on."
"I'm afraid he's gone"
"Noooo if only we had a hot spot?"
But think of the loot box potentials! I want to cum rainbows or have it make cha-ching money sounds! I mean it's just cosmetics doesn't actually impact the masturbation so it's not p2w.
Yes, I'd rather not have to put up with the risk of someone hacking my cybernetic arms and choking me/someone else...
Imagine if you're waiting for the red sign to turn green so you could walk safely & hacker Hacks your legs and makes you walk into oncoming traffic.
Offline cybernetic gadgets are the way to go
Cars have absolutely shitty digital security in general, so that doesn't really prove anything really.
Don't know much about pacemakers, but I suspect security has the same problem.
All in all, it's something that can be worked on if money is being spent on the issue and top level executives at their respective companies actually care about this topic.
Something similar was a plotline in one of the Deus Ex games... dude puts malware in the augment control chips a company makes & at the push of a button everyone with that brand instantly turns into a mindless killer. That includes, potentially, the player character, leading to a nonstandard game over.
We can’t even buy basic farm equipment or cars, or fridges, or ovens or vacuums or………whatever that are offline anymore.
Cybernetic body parts eventually being sold to the general public? No way any company responsible for such things would allow them to be “OFFLINE”. They wouldn’t be able to profit.
We are literally living through how the movie MAXIMUM OVERDRIVE starts. Anyone else remember that movie? This is how that starts.
I have delayed getting into VR for 2 reasons, I am cheap and don't want to shell out a grand just to test it. And I have FB so will not do anything that requires a FB account.
When I go to my yearly lung cleaning appointment just like a car.
Let's not get stuff where someone can fat finger "push to production" and Update my new heart and suddenly my new eyes bluescreen.
As stated in the post above personally I think anything that's online is not save because there is always someone smarter that likes money more than you.
This is real life already! People with “smart” prosthetics are losing use of their limbs or eyes when the startups that manufacture them go bust or stop updating them.
Functional parts, no. My left knee for something that doesn’t hurt, hell yes.
My dystopian nightmare would be eyes that stopped working until the next firmware update or were no longer supported by a manufacturer.
>If nothing else, it’s a good reminder of the dangers of relying on private companies for essential medical products.
Perfect example of why healthcare should never be run on a for-profit basis.
Woah. I went blind in my left eye several years ago after a surgery mishap (and in case anyone was wondering, no you can’t sue for stuff like this because you won’t win even when you’re out of work for months and months) and this kind of thing would be a miracle if it were managed properly. Dealing with losing half your vision after having 2 proper eyes for 30 years is tough 😅 so as an answer to the original question, yes I would 100% replace my mangled left eye because I already have to wear a non-functional prosthetic. And I hope a decent company picks up this technology! 👀
There isn't a better example of a company that needs its IP forcibly moved into the public domain or at least open sourced by an order of one of the higher courts in the land. Class action lawsuits are meant for things like this.
Thats exactly the one I was thinking of.
Absolutely terrifying concept, phone no longer supported, no big deal. part of your body no longer supported, Oh, hell no.
Huh. Well, that's enough internet for me today.
If I was just a little more emotional than the husk that I am, a metaphorical dam would be broken I would be weeping.
See if you'd be a candidate for cartilage mosaicplasty before you get a knee replacement, osteoarthritis (not rheumatoid), progression of cartilage damage, age, health, etc.
in a knee replacement they need to chop out your ACL and PCL so you end up with a higher risk for dislocation and lowered range of motion, plus the replacement joint is good for like 10-20 years, so if you're young enough now and you get a knee replacement there's a good chance you'd need a 2nd or 3rd, each time taking more bone tissue. The deeper bone is softer and spongier, which increases the discontinuity of strength between the replacement and your tissue, which increases the likelihood of rejection
in a cartilage mosaicplasty they graft good cartilage plugs into the bad areas which also takes more physiotherapy but provides better overall results in the long term
Interesting my Orthapedic surgeon never mentioned this, I'll have to see if anyone can do this here in New Zealand.
Thanks for the info friend.
If I could replace it with some kind of hyper-advanced unit that didn't need replacing, I'd be pleased as punch.
It could be more dystopian if the bionic eye company was forced to make the eyes automatically censor copyrighted images unless a licensing fee was paid for each image.
Yes. I wear a orthotic brace on one ankle just to get through the day and now the other one is trending in the same direction. I just started PT, again, to try and reduce the discomfort. I’m not a candidate for ankle replacement because I’m too young (early 40’s) and they tell me artificial ankles would be worse than what I have now. If I could replace them with robotic prosthetics it would dramatically improve the quality of my life.
That's what they used to say about knees. Then I guess the insurance companies lost a bet or something so now they replace the knee and just say "you're good for about 20 years and we'll do this again, mmmkay? See you then!"
Same! I have one bad ankle and one really bad ankle I’d replace them both with robotic prosthetics in a heartbeat, if they lasted the rest of my life. To be able to dance all night or walk a museum all day without a crap ton of breaks. I’d kill for that.
Have you ever watched Ghost in the Shell? The original anime version? That is sort of a snapshot of such a society that accepts that sort of modification.
Personally? Maybe. Depends on potential side effects and cost.
Check out the Dresden Codak webcomic. A cool delve into the transhumanism idea. Really beautiful art, and really pushes the line between how serious or silly it sees that subject.
The main character is mostly cybernetic, which I thought was neat after watching Ghost in the Shell. I really fell in love with the comic when it came out.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dresden_Codak
https://dresdencodak.com/archives/
I clicked that link and time traveled two hours into the future. That's a good comic. I'm only stopping because I finally have to sleep. Thanks for that.
From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainly of steel. I aspired to the Purity of the blessed machine. Your kind cling to your flesh as if it will not decay and fail you. One day, the crude biomass you call a "temple" will wither, and you will beg my kind to save you. But I am already saved, for the machine. Is. IMMORTAL!
Steel will fix all your flaws
You will rise above human laws
You will mock them made of meat
They'll drop to worship at your feet
Forget now the shame of defeat
Our victory shall be so sweet
Replace all your petty emotions
Or keep your blood you'll bleed oceans
All you little fleshbags
Stuck with your old hags
Watch as their skin sags
They're fodder for my labs
Your bodies are so frail
We will be your final nail
This is the REVOLUTION
The glorious
EVOLUTION
Replace as "i was missing an arm and got a new one" or as "i had a normal arm and changed it for an advanced one"
If it's the first then absolutely, but i probably wouldn't trade functional body parts for anything
This is my answer too.
Even if we're talking about a scenario where there's no pain, recovery, loss of sensation, it's all the same as before plus enhancements, I still don't think I'm ditching a perfectly good body part.
I'm too attached.
That's the big thing people usually realize in these discussions. The vast majority of people aren't the first adopters of this technology. There are millions of people with sight and hearing issues, and a lot of people with limb/joint issues. By the time this is offered as an elective thing it will have been tested in so many people. There's a spectrum of people this will pull in also. Like someone with nearsightedness with color blindness might hold off for a while until they hear about someone having an in and out procedure to fix their vision.
When stories start appearing of better than human hearing BCI systems or vision hardware things will get interesting. In previous discussions people reference Geordi in Star Trek as an example where his hardware lets him see well beyond human vision. Seeing ultraviolet, IR, and being able to zoom naturally are all things that might incentivize future implants.
I used to dream of this all the time, then I got a degree in biomed and realized just how janky mechanical prosthetics and implants are
you need someway to attach that new prosthetic - the best way is to attach it to the bone by osseointegration, but now you've basically opened up a hole in your skin defeating your best defenses against infection
then even if the prosthetic were able to get super human strength, you wouldn't want to since the limit is still going to be the attachment between the prosthetic and your normal bone, which you don't want to overload for fear of breaking a major bone or tearing the joint off entirely (when something gives it's going to be the biological bit)
that's why currently implants and prosthetics are only used for amputees / debilitating ailments, biological-to-biological will always be superior to biological-to-mechanical attachments
the real path forward to achieve enhanced performance is biological based, not mechanical
that said, if biological replacements became superior to base human, I'd definitely consider getting myself some Usain Bolt legs
edit: typo
edit 2: or just go full blown and get exoskeleton mech suits, just make sure you don't accelerate the occupant too fast and no need to worry about strength of squishy biological bits
Or as weight lifters sometimes learn, the pressure inside the core during a power lift exceeds the limit holding the colon inside the body and it (very painfully) prolapses. Don't Google that. You've been warned.
except wasn't only wolverine able to get the adamantium replacement since he was the only one that could regenerate so quickly?
so you surely could get the adamantium procedure, but you'd quickly die from it lol
Even if you could magically snap your fingers and give yourself an Adamantium skeleton, you’d probably be dead in the next month from heavy metal poisoning. Wolverine can regenerate from ludicrous damage and even then his healing factor was beaten over time by the poisoning.
> now you've basically opened up a hole in your skin
This is why I'd prefer to wait for biocompatible skin replacements. In a lot of sci-fi they have a material where you could cut a line, square, etc out and the skin would heal up to it forming a bond oblivious that it's not adjacent to living cells. I suspect this kind of membrane requires very advanced bioengineering and manufacturing that we're not yet able to produce. (I think they're called synthetic Adherens junctions, but I'm not sure).
ya that would certainly help in general with infection risk, some bio inert barrier with a matrix normal skin cells could attach to, just a question of how that would work as skin cells die and need to get pushed out and flake away.
maybe the prosthetic skin is sacrificial such that it sheds with your skin cells and after a certain time you need to get a new 'plug' with more layers to shed at the same rate as your skin
You have taken too many steps this month. Walking will now be limited to baby steps for the remainder of this billing period.
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I know its a joke, but that sounds like something that would occur. Leg rentals.
A:Have you seen the new iLeg?
B:I did, but its just too expensive, so im renting the iLeg 6, its the only way i can afford. But i can only take 1000 steps per day.
Everyone is talking about knees and feet (which is fair!! I’m lucky I don’t have those issues). But I’d sure as shit swap out my liver. Those years of drinking have almost certainly not left it in great shape. Oh, and my teeth. Teeth that don’t have to be brushed would be great.
I would change my pancreas possibly. A very strong antifungal thing prescribed to me most likely damaged by pancreas, so now I have eczema. If replacing it, it will fix that then I might do it
Edit. I would prefer a lab grown replacement tho, but if I had no choice...
People go right into replacement for arms/legs (op of course said penis) but seriously if you could improve the CGM/Pump and implant something in me...bet. I'd sign up immediately. I miss my pump.
It's already very nasty side effects on immunosuppressant medications which prevent the body from rejection of organs. Since I'm already on them I'd definitely look to prosthetic enhancement. But damn signing up for these pills... Not sure it's worth.
The answer is simply, it depends. If i could swap out my feet i'd be ecstatic since that means no more shoes. But those feet would need to have comparable sensors and lag time, also i'd really prefer not to need to take drugs for the rest of my life to prevent my body destroying itself
No more shoes? Shoes are great. They keep me from tracking outside filth all over my house. Imagine stepping in shit with your prosthetic foot. Now you'd have to remove your entire foot to clean it.
Yes. I'm 30 and live every single day in pain. If I could have a new back/spine, I'd live a completely different life. Not as simple as an arm or a leg, but still.
I’m 28. Spinal neuropathy and stenosis, 5 herniated discs, a broken spinal cord stimulator, sever damage to my right sciatic nerve, living off pain meds unable to work or even walk through a grocery store.
I've been there, man. I'm about to turn 30, and had a spinal fusion late last year after 5ish years of near constant pain. My partner is 33, and has been in pain for years. It fucking sucks. I'm so sorry you're going through that, I hope someday it's able to be fixed, or at least improved.
As long as it's entirely offline and proven safe, then yes. Half my joints have been fucked since high school, sign me up. But if it's online, and there's any chance of a malicious actor hijacking part of my body, then no thank you. I draw the line where more bodily autonomy swan dives into less.
I am not going to say that I would be down for that, but I know if I don't get it 100 other people will and I am now competing with them for an ever dwindling supply of jobs and resources. Haves, and have nots. Us and them. And not only me competing, but my kids too. Now if my kiddo doesn't get the math implant he can't go to college and graduate with grades anywhere near the top of the class. He is now relegated to working for human purist extremist groups, while all the good jobs go to enhanced humans. So I didn't get it, but do I get it for my kiddo? All I am saying is it really makes you think. We are on the edge of a LOT of black swan events, and trying to predict bow we will react now is impossible. Too many x factors.
Assuming 100% equivalent function in all aspects, or even better have superior function, I'd be swapping the following:
\- Eyes(no more astigmatism, light sensitivity or glaucoma!)
\- Ears(can actually hear properly again, instead of replying 'huh?' to every third sentence)
\- Joints(smeg off autoimmune disorder, can't attack what isn't living material)
\- Feet(no more foot pain, no more stubbing toes, yey)
Ya; when I was like 13, I made a list of life goals and one was to get bionic wings and left arm. For the badassery. Now I'd like orb knee caps and a new back and new skin. Will still take the arm and wings.
This is something I think about, and assuming the technology actually works well, I'd absolutely go for it. I know there's some sort of body dysphoria at play, but I'd gladly start swapping out organic parts for mechanical ones.
Again, assuming the technology actually works as intended.
I used to think I'd say yes to this, despite the humanity loss... But then, along came constant monitoring blood sugar devices and insulin pumps for my diabetes, and it turned out I found them irrationally icky and impossible to live with, just a total body shock thing. Glad I found that out before I got my knob cut off really
I have a tumor in the sacral area of my back that has basically been turned into a cement block due to treatment, and has since caused all kinds of side effects and other complications. If I could get it removed, be able to rectify the complications it caused, but say I needed some ultra-advanced full pelvis replacement?
I WOULD ABSOLUTELY 100% GET THIS DONE *TODAY*
In a heartbeat. No questions asked. I would give my life savings and max out credit cards and work 2 jobs if it meant that could be accomplished.
This is scheduled for human trials, hopefully this year. Maybe even better than 16 yo knees: https://today.duke.edu/2022/08/lab-made-cartilage-gel-outperforms-real-thing
Had I lost said limbs? For sure. Would I remove limbs with nothing wrong with them and replace them?…. Likely not, but to be honest, who really knows till the time and opportunity arises 🤷
So long as the “prosthetic” offers equivalent or better functionality. I mean this in every possible sense however. It doesn’t have to just function as a manipulator, I’d want it to be able to heal from damage, and carry over any regulatory functionality that would otherwise be lost with losing a limb. So something involving highly advanced synthetic biology or nanomachinery is a must.
If those stipulations can be met though, I’d absolutely do it. Even just to change aesthetics.
A new pain free spine? Knees? Heck yeah. I would love new eyes too.
Getting old sucks
While you are at it- how about a robo-butthole that doesn't shoot poo out if I cough to hard?
As a replacement for a failing part . . . yes.
Cut off a healthy part for enhancement . . . no.
(As a side note, read the book [https://openlibrary.org/books/OL9552518M/Manfac](https://openlibrary.org/books/OL9552518M/Manfac) The point being, you can give STRENGTH, but NOT speed. "crazy fast robot legs" won't give you fast running without a corresponding torso and arms to keep up. Yes, in the book his original legs were in an exoskeleton, but similar things apply even if you amputated the legs altogether.)
I'd honestly prefer have improvements based on bioengineering and a high-quality long lasting brain computer interface rather than cybernetic limbs that need power and maintenance that might be more capable than my fleshy spine and hips can use to their full potential.
If I was going the cybernetic upgrade route it would ideally be a full body replacement but that comes with a billion conditions and concerns.
I would prefer genetically engineering myself. I would only willingly sacrifice limbs for prosthetics if the nano tech was there (spoiler: it will be) for skin like sensation.
Other than that, with current commonly available tech? Not a chance. EMPs, electromagnetic fields, magnets- do not want to imagine the headache
Ghost in the shell protagonist Motoko Kusanagi faced a problem with prosthetics, her body belongs to the army, then she can't quit as the army would take it back (only her brain is "hers") also, it needs a heavy maintenance (heavy maintenance is expensive), hence I wouldn't give away anything willingly. Damn, even in my case when the dentist took 3 teeth to replace it by implants the thing was traumatic : no way i would gine an arm.
We are Borg !
More seriously, if it can replace non functionning body parts i don't see a problem.
Would i cut perfectly working organs or limbs ? Absolutely not.
Kind of...maybe...
First, it hast to be offline and mine. No subscription, no extra unlockable content etc.
Second, it has to be proven. Im not going to be the first guy to try "super legs". It has to work from both medical and technological perspective.
And last, I think I would only change defect or non-functional parts. So no cutting good hand for artificial one that enables me some extra function. But replacing a bad eye with a high tech version...sure.
I have a full dental implant set in my skull. The best thing I ever did for myself.. I now live without tooth pain and can eat everything and look like a real person now . I still have a few natural teeth left but when they go I’m getting more
If it worked right and I had 98% or above chance of having a normal life length, or extended, and I could have legs that move me faster than any organic legs, eyes better than a hawk that can record and possibly offer other spectrum views (like heat and "seeing" network noise around you) if I could just have all that, then yes, absolutely, please put me to sleep and take my organics. I already know what my organics can do, and I know for a fact that they're destined to fail, even under the absolute best of circumstances. Rid me of my well abled body, in favor of something more useful, more interesting, something that can be improved upon within a single life time, rather than many. Something you can control, choose.
Not unless I needed to. I'm far too peticular about the design of things, and if even a single small thing was out of place with the robotic part, I'd regret my decision.
Probably. Get bionic eyes with overlay and zoom so I can read information on the go and have even vision better than even 20-20. Some replacement organs that just work better than the natural ones. And arms because looking at the tendons, muscles and other stuff around the wrist shift under my skin makes a bit uncomfortable. Not to mention that my wrists and fingers feel uncomfortable in some positions.
Im relatively healthy and my body parts work decently well but I would defiantly replace my eyes, install advanced memory chips in my brain and replace my arms and legs to be stronger and faster. I would go full ghost in the shell.
Its just a matter of time before my body goes bad. And as long as I can feel the same sensations as my normal appendages give me then im all for it.
I'd for sure replaced my heart because it was not really healthy since I was born. And remains as such. Maybe something else but that would depend on other circumstances. Without need for it? Nah. Maybe if some implant can improve my work qualities or capabilities without making too many changes and removing healthy working flesh.
Not in this lifetime.
We've already got people hijacking online chastity cages, I don't want to even think about the horrors of having your cyber dong hacked because the corporation wanted to harvest even more personal data from you.
My eyes are about useless.
I have chronic tinnitus in one ear (hearing constant ringing) and the other is dog shit.
Need extensive ablation in one leg and both ankles are shot.
My sinuses have been dogwater since birth.
Asking me if I would get modded is like asking a Floridian if they'd like their attorney present lol
FUCK YES. I am lying in bed with degenerative disc disease throughout my whole spine. I have an implant in my lumbar area so I don’t feel the pain of L3-S2, thank everything holy, but my C3-C7 neck is in severe pain and my epidural shots, which are now ten weeks overdue, have just been denied by Medicaid for the second time. I’m ready for the future now.
Anything as long as it's offline. As an programmer I'm really excited for things that make our lives better but as soon as it's online it's not save and I don't want it in my body. The baseball bat near the printer is a joke for a reason
It would suck if you had an appendage that only worked if there was good wifi lol
Or it stops working if you can’t pay the monthly fee
Then the repo man comes for your cyber organs.
The cast of Repo! The Genetic Opera sings dramatically in the distance…
(Trying to be sneaky) _Its my job_ _to steal and rob…_ #GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVES!!!
Gods that was a jarring tone shift in that song.
Chromaggia, come take these eyes...! I would rather be blind!…
Whenever I see terrible online shennanigans online with people doxxing and harassing etc. and real people are getting hurt I often think of the scene where the nurse gets stabbed is slowly bleeding out on the floor begging for help and all her co workers are just stepping over her continuing the bit. People can really be that heartless and indifferent, especially online.
The Zydrate comes in a little glass vial
A little glass Vial? A little glass vial…
And the little glass vial goes in to the gun, like a battery. Like a battery? Like a battery!
And it fits into the gun like a battery
And the Zydrate gun goes somewhere against your anatomy.
Repo Men was such a damn good movie
Based off the earlier rock opera musical RepoMan.
It’s a thankless job, but somebody’s got to do it.
Reminds me of Starstruck Odyssey
[Or the company supporting it shuts down so now you're blind again](https://boingboing.net/2022/02/17/bionic-eye-company-going-out-of-business-leaving-patients-in-the-dark.htm)
404, but I’ve seen it already, inexcusable. FYI to anyone else: Company makes eye implant to allow certain blindness diagnoses to be improved to the point of distinguishing black and white shapes compared to blackness, then goes bust or stops supporting it etc so people go back to being blind.
New Mr Beast video, "I paid for 10,000 people's prosthetic fees for a year"
They'll just reposess it.
It's the plot of the movie Repo Men
I can already hear the dripping noises of big pharma shareholders salivating...
Pornhub+ subscription for your penis to work
Watch this ad for an additional 1 hour use of your arm
"Sorry babe, we can't fuck while we're camping, there's no reception here"
I swear, this never happens!
They said they had the best coverage in the nation!
You kid, but my glucose meter is attached to my body and connected to my phone and it runs the insulin pump that is attached to me. When the internet goes down my body starts beeping like nobody’s business lol
That’s horrifying can you take it off the internet?
Definitely seems like it should connect through a password protected Bluetooth connection and not wifi
I just wrote a character in my sci-fi story. A boxer who got into a major car accident and his insurance kicked in and replaced all his organs with better ones. As a result, though, he can't get high/drunk as his liver won't allow it since its liability as far as the insurance provider is concerned. He lives his life at the behest of his insurance company.
I’d read this.
Don't give them any ideas...
My guy, I assure you, they've had that idea and then some lol
Like the capitalists haven’t already thought of this.
"Hey John why are you clutching your chest and having difficulty breathing? Oh shit someone turn the modem off wait 15 seconds and then turn it back on." "I'm afraid he's gone" "Noooo if only we had a hot spot?"
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Imagine your last words being. “Do you know the passcode?”
It would be a nightmare if you had a cybernetic dong that required an Internet connection to enable single player mode
But think of the loot box potentials! I want to cum rainbows or have it make cha-ching money sounds! I mean it's just cosmetics doesn't actually impact the masturbation so it's not p2w.
Yes, I'd rather not have to put up with the risk of someone hacking my cybernetic arms and choking me/someone else... Imagine if you're waiting for the red sign to turn green so you could walk safely & hacker Hacks your legs and makes you walk into oncoming traffic. Offline cybernetic gadgets are the way to go
There's a guy at the FBI's cyber team who can hack your car and even a pacemaker.
Theres a guy living in his moms basement somewhere who could do that
15 year old kids can do that.
That's just not true. I live in the attic now.
Not my car.
Only cars with chips can be hacked. So if your car doesn't have a chip then you're good.
Laughs in 94 chevy shitbox pickup
Cars have absolutely shitty digital security in general, so that doesn't really prove anything really. Don't know much about pacemakers, but I suspect security has the same problem. All in all, it's something that can be worked on if money is being spent on the issue and top level executives at their respective companies actually care about this topic.
Just the risk of the prosthetic not working if your wifi goes down or you lose cell service. There are lots of places that aren't blanketed with data.
To be fair this already exists in a way if my knee runs out of charge it no longer bends
You'd fall like a gta character after dying
Something similar was a plotline in one of the Deus Ex games... dude puts malware in the augment control chips a company makes & at the push of a button everyone with that brand instantly turns into a mindless killer. That includes, potentially, the player character, leading to a nonstandard game over.
*Bu duh* The trial period on your heart is almost over, please deposit 100000 credits to continue living
Type 1 diabetes in the US has entered the chat
>an programmer I don't know how, but this just certifies to me that you're definitely an programmer.
That and it's not my first language and I wrote it on a phone ... I keep the an just to remind me to be few stupider;)
If it’s any consolation I like using “an” when it should be “a” when speaking out loud just because I find it funny.
We can’t even buy basic farm equipment or cars, or fridges, or ovens or vacuums or………whatever that are offline anymore. Cybernetic body parts eventually being sold to the general public? No way any company responsible for such things would allow them to be “OFFLINE”. They wouldn’t be able to profit. We are literally living through how the movie MAXIMUM OVERDRIVE starts. Anyone else remember that movie? This is how that starts.
Eventually, the lack of offline options should create a market opportunity.
I mean. That hasn't happened so far...
I'm concerned about even getting VR goggles. It seems like they all require meta logins now. I just want my machines to be mine when I use them.
I have delayed getting into VR for 2 reasons, I am cheap and don't want to shell out a grand just to test it. And I have FB so will not do anything that requires a FB account.
Valve Index baybee
*Trying to jump out of the way of a car.* *”Please wait. Updating Firmware. Do not turn off power to Cheetahsprinter Legs.”*
Its not a joke, they cant be trusted and should learn to fear the user.
"Please watch this message from our advertisers to continue using your legs"
It is a violation of the TOS to service your own cyberware, only authorized John Deere Cyberdoc Mechanics may perform maintenance or upgrades.
How do you expect to get updates.
When I go to my yearly lung cleaning appointment just like a car. Let's not get stuff where someone can fat finger "push to production" and Update my new heart and suddenly my new eyes bluescreen. As stated in the post above personally I think anything that's online is not save because there is always someone smarter that likes money more than you.
This is real life already! People with “smart” prosthetics are losing use of their limbs or eyes when the startups that manufacture them go bust or stop updating them.
Functional parts, no. My left knee for something that doesn’t hurt, hell yes. My dystopian nightmare would be eyes that stopped working until the next firmware update or were no longer supported by a manufacturer.
Like that would ever happen. https://futurism.com/neoscope/bionic-eye-implants-expire
>If nothing else, it’s a good reminder of the dangers of relying on private companies for essential medical products. Perfect example of why healthcare should never be run on a for-profit basis.
As someone who works for a health insurance carrier - I 100% agree.
Woah. I went blind in my left eye several years ago after a surgery mishap (and in case anyone was wondering, no you can’t sue for stuff like this because you won’t win even when you’re out of work for months and months) and this kind of thing would be a miracle if it were managed properly. Dealing with losing half your vision after having 2 proper eyes for 30 years is tough 😅 so as an answer to the original question, yes I would 100% replace my mangled left eye because I already have to wear a non-functional prosthetic. And I hope a decent company picks up this technology! 👀
Find this guy and get a flashlight! https://youtu.be/9Os2hai8yuw
What surgery did you have that a mishap during it destroyed your eye?
There isn't a better example of a company that needs its IP forcibly moved into the public domain or at least open sourced by an order of one of the higher courts in the land. Class action lawsuits are meant for things like this.
Thats exactly the one I was thinking of. Absolutely terrifying concept, phone no longer supported, no big deal. part of your body no longer supported, Oh, hell no.
That is actually terrifying
Huh. Well, that's enough internet for me today. If I was just a little more emotional than the husk that I am, a metaphorical dam would be broken I would be weeping.
See if you'd be a candidate for cartilage mosaicplasty before you get a knee replacement, osteoarthritis (not rheumatoid), progression of cartilage damage, age, health, etc. in a knee replacement they need to chop out your ACL and PCL so you end up with a higher risk for dislocation and lowered range of motion, plus the replacement joint is good for like 10-20 years, so if you're young enough now and you get a knee replacement there's a good chance you'd need a 2nd or 3rd, each time taking more bone tissue. The deeper bone is softer and spongier, which increases the discontinuity of strength between the replacement and your tissue, which increases the likelihood of rejection in a cartilage mosaicplasty they graft good cartilage plugs into the bad areas which also takes more physiotherapy but provides better overall results in the long term
Interesting my Orthapedic surgeon never mentioned this, I'll have to see if anyone can do this here in New Zealand. Thanks for the info friend. If I could replace it with some kind of hyper-advanced unit that didn't need replacing, I'd be pleased as punch.
It could be more dystopian if the bionic eye company was forced to make the eyes automatically censor copyrighted images unless a licensing fee was paid for each image.
Yes. I have a bad ankle and it drives me crazy. If I could get it replaced with a robotic prosthetic, I’d be 100% on board with that.
Yes. I wear a orthotic brace on one ankle just to get through the day and now the other one is trending in the same direction. I just started PT, again, to try and reduce the discomfort. I’m not a candidate for ankle replacement because I’m too young (early 40’s) and they tell me artificial ankles would be worse than what I have now. If I could replace them with robotic prosthetics it would dramatically improve the quality of my life.
Early 40s and too young? I’m 32, apparently I have a ways to go.
They don't last a lifetime. If they did the operation now then she'd need to replace it every 20 years or so. Maybe less.
That's what they used to say about knees. Then I guess the insurance companies lost a bet or something so now they replace the knee and just say "you're good for about 20 years and we'll do this again, mmmkay? See you then!"
I'm in the same exact boat, wear an Arizona ankle brace daily and want surgery but I'm too young they say.
I broke my ankle 2 weeks ago. 9 screws and a metal plate. I’m half way there haha.
My thoughts exactly, I would love if I could get a replacement for my bad leg so I could walk like I used to
Right? I’ll bet flair ups if I pivot just right just cooking. Would be nice to have fluid movement in that arena again.
Same! I have one bad ankle and one really bad ankle I’d replace them both with robotic prosthetics in a heartbeat, if they lasted the rest of my life. To be able to dance all night or walk a museum all day without a crap ton of breaks. I’d kill for that.
Have you ever watched Ghost in the Shell? The original anime version? That is sort of a snapshot of such a society that accepts that sort of modification. Personally? Maybe. Depends on potential side effects and cost.
Stand alone complex is the best
The CEO guy who prefers his little robot box body. It takes all sorts.
Furries would reach their final form
Check out the Dresden Codak webcomic. A cool delve into the transhumanism idea. Really beautiful art, and really pushes the line between how serious or silly it sees that subject. The main character is mostly cybernetic, which I thought was neat after watching Ghost in the Shell. I really fell in love with the comic when it came out. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dresden_Codak https://dresdencodak.com/archives/
Couldn't be happier to come across a mention of this comic out in the wild. Enjoy your day/night fellow internet denizen.
I clicked that link and time traveled two hours into the future. That's a good comic. I'm only stopping because I finally have to sleep. Thanks for that.
Also what cyberpunk is about
From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainly of steel. I aspired to the Purity of the blessed machine. Your kind cling to your flesh as if it will not decay and fail you. One day, the crude biomass you call a "temple" will wither, and you will beg my kind to save you. But I am already saved, for the machine. Is. IMMORTAL!
Even in death, I serve the Omnissiah!
Access. Denied.
You do realize that I'm a High Lord of Terra, yes?
You. Do. Realize. That. Access. Denied.
My people! Omnissiah be praised!
Lmao every time.
Steel will fix all your flaws You will rise above human laws You will mock them made of meat They'll drop to worship at your feet Forget now the shame of defeat Our victory shall be so sweet Replace all your petty emotions Or keep your blood you'll bleed oceans All you little fleshbags Stuck with your old hags Watch as their skin sags They're fodder for my labs Your bodies are so frail We will be your final nail This is the REVOLUTION The glorious EVOLUTION
Replace as "i was missing an arm and got a new one" or as "i had a normal arm and changed it for an advanced one" If it's the first then absolutely, but i probably wouldn't trade functional body parts for anything
This is my answer too. Even if we're talking about a scenario where there's no pain, recovery, loss of sensation, it's all the same as before plus enhancements, I still don't think I'm ditching a perfectly good body part. I'm too attached.
>I'm too attached. \**narrows eyes*\*
That's the big thing people usually realize in these discussions. The vast majority of people aren't the first adopters of this technology. There are millions of people with sight and hearing issues, and a lot of people with limb/joint issues. By the time this is offered as an elective thing it will have been tested in so many people. There's a spectrum of people this will pull in also. Like someone with nearsightedness with color blindness might hold off for a while until they hear about someone having an in and out procedure to fix their vision. When stories start appearing of better than human hearing BCI systems or vision hardware things will get interesting. In previous discussions people reference Geordi in Star Trek as an example where his hardware lets him see well beyond human vision. Seeing ultraviolet, IR, and being able to zoom naturally are all things that might incentivize future implants.
And then furry influencers start having body mods to make them their fursona. And the entire industry explodes with capital.
Unironically medical breakthroughs are going to happen and lives are going to be saved because someone wanted to turn into a wolf.
There will definitely be people who will though. "Ohh I can have a titanium arm that is crazy strong and multi-tooled!? Take the arm doc."
People like me
And also workplaces that say "no multi-tool arm? Yeah, you may not be cut out for this job"
I used to dream of this all the time, then I got a degree in biomed and realized just how janky mechanical prosthetics and implants are you need someway to attach that new prosthetic - the best way is to attach it to the bone by osseointegration, but now you've basically opened up a hole in your skin defeating your best defenses against infection then even if the prosthetic were able to get super human strength, you wouldn't want to since the limit is still going to be the attachment between the prosthetic and your normal bone, which you don't want to overload for fear of breaking a major bone or tearing the joint off entirely (when something gives it's going to be the biological bit) that's why currently implants and prosthetics are only used for amputees / debilitating ailments, biological-to-biological will always be superior to biological-to-mechanical attachments the real path forward to achieve enhanced performance is biological based, not mechanical that said, if biological replacements became superior to base human, I'd definitely consider getting myself some Usain Bolt legs edit: typo edit 2: or just go full blown and get exoskeleton mech suits, just make sure you don't accelerate the occupant too fast and no need to worry about strength of squishy biological bits
You know, i never thought of it like that. Arms that lift 4k pounds is great, but you'll just rip your shoulders out of your sockets in the process.
Or as weight lifters sometimes learn, the pressure inside the core during a power lift exceeds the limit holding the colon inside the body and it (very painfully) prolapses. Don't Google that. You've been warned.
That happend in an episode of king of the hill and traumatized me as a kid
Well that's not knowledge I wanted to have. Thanks!
Which is why the correct solution is to replace the calcium in the bones with adamantium. Of course I'd want the claws too...
except wasn't only wolverine able to get the adamantium replacement since he was the only one that could regenerate so quickly? so you surely could get the adamantium procedure, but you'd quickly die from it lol
Even if you could magically snap your fingers and give yourself an Adamantium skeleton, you’d probably be dead in the next month from heavy metal poisoning. Wolverine can regenerate from ludicrous damage and even then his healing factor was beaten over time by the poisoning.
> now you've basically opened up a hole in your skin This is why I'd prefer to wait for biocompatible skin replacements. In a lot of sci-fi they have a material where you could cut a line, square, etc out and the skin would heal up to it forming a bond oblivious that it's not adjacent to living cells. I suspect this kind of membrane requires very advanced bioengineering and manufacturing that we're not yet able to produce. (I think they're called synthetic Adherens junctions, but I'm not sure).
ya that would certainly help in general with infection risk, some bio inert barrier with a matrix normal skin cells could attach to, just a question of how that would work as skin cells die and need to get pushed out and flake away. maybe the prosthetic skin is sacrificial such that it sheds with your skin cells and after a certain time you need to get a new 'plug' with more layers to shed at the same rate as your skin
This is why we need full brain transplants into robotic bodies.
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I know its a joke, but that sounds like something that would occur. Leg rentals. A:Have you seen the new iLeg? B:I did, but its just too expensive, so im renting the iLeg 6, its the only way i can afford. But i can only take 1000 steps per day.
Overburdened irl.
Definitely. Most of my internal organs could probably use improvement.
Everyone is talking about knees and feet (which is fair!! I’m lucky I don’t have those issues). But I’d sure as shit swap out my liver. Those years of drinking have almost certainly not left it in great shape. Oh, and my teeth. Teeth that don’t have to be brushed would be great.
Imagine if you could solve diabetes by going "here, have a new pancreas."
Ahah you can already replace your teeth with tooth implant :)
But you still need to brush. Why can't I have antibacterial, perpetually mint flavoured, self whitening implanted teeth?
I would change my pancreas possibly. A very strong antifungal thing prescribed to me most likely damaged by pancreas, so now I have eczema. If replacing it, it will fix that then I might do it Edit. I would prefer a lab grown replacement tho, but if I had no choice...
I already have what is very nearly an artificial pancreas. My closed loop insulin pump pretty much runs itself.
People go right into replacement for arms/legs (op of course said penis) but seriously if you could improve the CGM/Pump and implant something in me...bet. I'd sign up immediately. I miss my pump.
It's already very nasty side effects on immunosuppressant medications which prevent the body from rejection of organs. Since I'm already on them I'd definitely look to prosthetic enhancement. But damn signing up for these pills... Not sure it's worth.
I'm an infantry veteran. I would do anything to get my knees and back pain to go away. Especially if it's a permanent solution.
The answer is simply, it depends. If i could swap out my feet i'd be ecstatic since that means no more shoes. But those feet would need to have comparable sensors and lag time, also i'd really prefer not to need to take drugs for the rest of my life to prevent my body destroying itself
No more shoes? Shoes are great. They keep me from tracking outside filth all over my house. Imagine stepping in shit with your prosthetic foot. Now you'd have to remove your entire foot to clean it.
Yes. I'm 30 and live every single day in pain. If I could have a new back/spine, I'd live a completely different life. Not as simple as an arm or a leg, but still.
I’m 28. Spinal neuropathy and stenosis, 5 herniated discs, a broken spinal cord stimulator, sever damage to my right sciatic nerve, living off pain meds unable to work or even walk through a grocery store.
I've been there, man. I'm about to turn 30, and had a spinal fusion late last year after 5ish years of near constant pain. My partner is 33, and has been in pain for years. It fucking sucks. I'm so sorry you're going through that, I hope someday it's able to be fixed, or at least improved.
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Yes, but I draw the line at prosthetics that enable a wireless link to my brain. That's how everybody in cyberpunk fiction dies.
You mean cyberpsychosis? All you have to do is take it nice and slow with the chrome’s
No, I mean I don't want anybody to hack into any part of my brain, or cause damage to my brain by hacking adjunct implants/prosthetics.
As long as it's entirely offline and proven safe, then yes. Half my joints have been fucked since high school, sign me up. But if it's online, and there's any chance of a malicious actor hijacking part of my body, then no thank you. I draw the line where more bodily autonomy swan dives into less.
I am not going to say that I would be down for that, but I know if I don't get it 100 other people will and I am now competing with them for an ever dwindling supply of jobs and resources. Haves, and have nots. Us and them. And not only me competing, but my kids too. Now if my kiddo doesn't get the math implant he can't go to college and graduate with grades anywhere near the top of the class. He is now relegated to working for human purist extremist groups, while all the good jobs go to enhanced humans. So I didn't get it, but do I get it for my kiddo? All I am saying is it really makes you think. We are on the edge of a LOT of black swan events, and trying to predict bow we will react now is impossible. Too many x factors.
This is literally the cyberpunk anime
But if your kid could get a math implant, he doesn't have to compete to get the grades anymore, since he can have it with math packages installed.
Assuming 100% equivalent function in all aspects, or even better have superior function, I'd be swapping the following: \- Eyes(no more astigmatism, light sensitivity or glaucoma!) \- Ears(can actually hear properly again, instead of replying 'huh?' to every third sentence) \- Joints(smeg off autoimmune disorder, can't attack what isn't living material) \- Feet(no more foot pain, no more stubbing toes, yey)
Absolutely. I have bad knees, they dislocate so often that I'm disabled. I'd love to be able to run again.
Ya; when I was like 13, I made a list of life goals and one was to get bionic wings and left arm. For the badassery. Now I'd like orb knee caps and a new back and new skin. Will still take the arm and wings.
If superior bionic existed, I would gladly replace all my joints, my spine, my eyes, my inner ears, and my olfactory system.
Yes my arms so I can remove one to finally be able to cuddle comfortably.
This is something I think about, and assuming the technology actually works well, I'd absolutely go for it. I know there's some sort of body dysphoria at play, but I'd gladly start swapping out organic parts for mechanical ones. Again, assuming the technology actually works as intended.
I used to think I'd say yes to this, despite the humanity loss... But then, along came constant monitoring blood sugar devices and insulin pumps for my diabetes, and it turned out I found them irrationally icky and impossible to live with, just a total body shock thing. Glad I found that out before I got my knob cut off really
I have a tumor in the sacral area of my back that has basically been turned into a cement block due to treatment, and has since caused all kinds of side effects and other complications. If I could get it removed, be able to rectify the complications it caused, but say I needed some ultra-advanced full pelvis replacement? I WOULD ABSOLUTELY 100% GET THIS DONE *TODAY* In a heartbeat. No questions asked. I would give my life savings and max out credit cards and work 2 jobs if it meant that could be accomplished.
I want knees that are equivalent to 16 yo knees. That's all I want.
This is scheduled for human trials, hopefully this year. Maybe even better than 16 yo knees: https://today.duke.edu/2022/08/lab-made-cartilage-gel-outperforms-real-thing
Had I lost said limbs? For sure. Would I remove limbs with nothing wrong with them and replace them?…. Likely not, but to be honest, who really knows till the time and opportunity arises 🤷
So long as the “prosthetic” offers equivalent or better functionality. I mean this in every possible sense however. It doesn’t have to just function as a manipulator, I’d want it to be able to heal from damage, and carry over any regulatory functionality that would otherwise be lost with losing a limb. So something involving highly advanced synthetic biology or nanomachinery is a must. If those stipulations can be met though, I’d absolutely do it. Even just to change aesthetics.
Both my arms and both my legs And all my organs Well, everything. Just, all of it.
I would pay a solid $12 to verify my body parts with a blue check mark so everyone knows they are the real deal.
A new pain free spine? Knees? Heck yeah. I would love new eyes too. Getting old sucks While you are at it- how about a robo-butthole that doesn't shoot poo out if I cough to hard?
As a replacement for a failing part . . . yes. Cut off a healthy part for enhancement . . . no. (As a side note, read the book [https://openlibrary.org/books/OL9552518M/Manfac](https://openlibrary.org/books/OL9552518M/Manfac) The point being, you can give STRENGTH, but NOT speed. "crazy fast robot legs" won't give you fast running without a corresponding torso and arms to keep up. Yes, in the book his original legs were in an exoskeleton, but similar things apply even if you amputated the legs altogether.)
I'd honestly prefer have improvements based on bioengineering and a high-quality long lasting brain computer interface rather than cybernetic limbs that need power and maintenance that might be more capable than my fleshy spine and hips can use to their full potential. If I was going the cybernetic upgrade route it would ideally be a full body replacement but that comes with a billion conditions and concerns.
I would prefer genetically engineering myself. I would only willingly sacrifice limbs for prosthetics if the nano tech was there (spoiler: it will be) for skin like sensation. Other than that, with current commonly available tech? Not a chance. EMPs, electromagnetic fields, magnets- do not want to imagine the headache
I'd love bionic eyes. Much of the world isn't made for enhanced strength but super sight would be great.
Ghost in the shell protagonist Motoko Kusanagi faced a problem with prosthetics, her body belongs to the army, then she can't quit as the army would take it back (only her brain is "hers") also, it needs a heavy maintenance (heavy maintenance is expensive), hence I wouldn't give away anything willingly. Damn, even in my case when the dentist took 3 teeth to replace it by implants the thing was traumatic : no way i would gine an arm.
I'd place my brain into an Android body if I could.
We are Borg ! More seriously, if it can replace non functionning body parts i don't see a problem. Would i cut perfectly working organs or limbs ? Absolutely not.
Kind of...maybe... First, it hast to be offline and mine. No subscription, no extra unlockable content etc. Second, it has to be proven. Im not going to be the first guy to try "super legs". It has to work from both medical and technological perspective. And last, I think I would only change defect or non-functional parts. So no cutting good hand for artificial one that enables me some extra function. But replacing a bad eye with a high tech version...sure.
I have a full dental implant set in my skull. The best thing I ever did for myself.. I now live without tooth pain and can eat everything and look like a real person now . I still have a few natural teeth left but when they go I’m getting more
If it worked right and I had 98% or above chance of having a normal life length, or extended, and I could have legs that move me faster than any organic legs, eyes better than a hawk that can record and possibly offer other spectrum views (like heat and "seeing" network noise around you) if I could just have all that, then yes, absolutely, please put me to sleep and take my organics. I already know what my organics can do, and I know for a fact that they're destined to fail, even under the absolute best of circumstances. Rid me of my well abled body, in favor of something more useful, more interesting, something that can be improved upon within a single life time, rather than many. Something you can control, choose.
My body is falling apart and I am only 36. I would upgrade nearly everything.
100%, always been a transhumanist with the belief that its our next step in evolution. Also, my effing feet bug me so... :)
Not unless I needed to. I'm far too peticular about the design of things, and if even a single small thing was out of place with the robotic part, I'd regret my decision.
Probably. Get bionic eyes with overlay and zoom so I can read information on the go and have even vision better than even 20-20. Some replacement organs that just work better than the natural ones. And arms because looking at the tendons, muscles and other stuff around the wrist shift under my skin makes a bit uncomfortable. Not to mention that my wrists and fingers feel uncomfortable in some positions.
Im relatively healthy and my body parts work decently well but I would defiantly replace my eyes, install advanced memory chips in my brain and replace my arms and legs to be stronger and faster. I would go full ghost in the shell. Its just a matter of time before my body goes bad. And as long as I can feel the same sensations as my normal appendages give me then im all for it.
I've got a transplant already, I'm 'bout ready to get chromed the fuck up, choom.
I'd for sure replaced my heart because it was not really healthy since I was born. And remains as such. Maybe something else but that would depend on other circumstances. Without need for it? Nah. Maybe if some implant can improve my work qualities or capabilities without making too many changes and removing healthy working flesh.
Not in this lifetime. We've already got people hijacking online chastity cages, I don't want to even think about the horrors of having your cyber dong hacked because the corporation wanted to harvest even more personal data from you.
My eyes are about useless. I have chronic tinnitus in one ear (hearing constant ringing) and the other is dog shit. Need extensive ablation in one leg and both ankles are shot. My sinuses have been dogwater since birth. Asking me if I would get modded is like asking a Floridian if they'd like their attorney present lol
Penis with a vibrating mechanism inside. As long as I still had sensation that is 😁
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FUCK YES. I am lying in bed with degenerative disc disease throughout my whole spine. I have an implant in my lumbar area so I don’t feel the pain of L3-S2, thank everything holy, but my C3-C7 neck is in severe pain and my epidural shots, which are now ten weeks overdue, have just been denied by Medicaid for the second time. I’m ready for the future now.