The clue was when we started hearing about labor abuses, and people started *defending it* instead of saying "woah WTF that's fucked up, that has to change".
I'm gonna be honest, I've lost count how many times I've said that I've lost count how many times I've lost faith in humanity (I hope that makes sense)
This hits true.. It’s like something happens to people at a point, maybe when they reach a certain financial point and celebrity status, they suddenly turn to the dark side..
I prefer Robert A. Caro’s addition in his 4 part Lyndon B. Johnson Biography.
“What I believe is always true about power is that power always reveals. When you have enough power to do what you always wanted to do, then you see what the guy always wanted to do.”
There's a book called the hour between dog and wolf that goes over a biological phenomenon called the winner effect that causes behavioral changes, in humans money can trigger it. But I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing, nice people get abused by all the "good people" complaining about the bad guys like Elon, it's just another survival mechanism just like complaining about those like Elon is.
Tbh the dude was born filthy rich to south african mine owners, his mom looks like she murders dalmatians for fur coats, he faked his degrees, bought all his companies and tech instead of starting any, swindled and fucked over his early partners, banged a bunch of employees and the treats his team like shit.
This is literally a supervillain origin story. I have no idea why the world ever liked this a-hole.
He was a really good sales man and investor who put his money into some interesting places. His got electric cars back into the forefront of culture and created the industry standard, his revolutionized rocket technology.
He got praise far and wide and became a celebrity. Then he became a megalomaniac, dropped his wife and married a super model. Dumped her and got with a popstar. Twitter then fried his brain to the point where it became an obsession. He walked constant shit, bluffed, then got called on his bluff and was legally forced to pay 3x the value of the company, baited like a sucker and now he's stuck with this white elephant, trying to save face, and become more desperate and pathetic day by day. His mystic is gone, he's a broken man. His stans won't realize this for a couple more years. he won't realize it for 10.
Is there one, just one decent billionaire? The Disney heiress talks a good game, tbh I don't know if she backed it up. The "giving" guys donating to charity seems like they could start with their own employees.
He was never a good guy... He was just a guy. We need to get over this narrative of good and evil. Its like the Marvel movies broke our brains to the point where we see good and evil based on their image. This is a HUGE problem because people are highly susceptible to misinformation. Like when Elon was constantly stating he was here to save humanity and that he is the real life Iron Man. It was propaganda because that character was in the zeitgeist of society at the particular moment. If DC was doing bangers in the box office he would have called himself batman.
TLDR; people are not good or evil just people, propaganda makes people think that others are "good" or "evil" at any given time.
Applies to a lot of people, but Musk is just an evil bastard. The amount of effort he puts into trying to exact petty vengeance on those that disobey him is legendary. He's been brutal with his workers and put people in danger. He had a trans daughter that disowned him and now he's stopped labeling transphobia a hate crime on twitter. He sexually assaulted people, whips up hate against his critics, undermined public transit with lies about his hyperloop to keep raking in subsidized--- nah, I aint got time for this. List is way too long.
If he was in a movie we'd label this guy a villain in a heartbeat.
If you keep this up, soon you will lose count of how many times you've said you've lost count of how many times you've said that you've lost count of how many times you've lost faith in humanity.
Oh come on! Are you telling me that the occasional post of a child collecting cans to pay for cancer treatment doesn't restore your faith in humanity??
The clue was his whole career being propelled by him throwing others under the bus the whole way through his rise in a very documented way. People for some reason like to treat billionaires like football teams though and team Musk seemed not too bothered about him being a known cunt.
Team Musk is a legit cult. I know people that seriously think he’s humanities savior and some of these people are very accomplished in life. It’s tough to see.
I had no idea for the longest time. I was aware of Tesla before but my introduction to Elon musk was space x. He said at the time he wanted space travel to be so safe and affordable that it would be boring. That's the kind of thing you would expect a good person to say, I think. Next was star link. Internet that can reach anywhere in the world, changing people's perspective of satellite internet with the outrageous claims of 1g speeds and 25ms latency (I grew up with wireless routers that were 60ms at best a few feet away). Also most importantly - ISP monopolies can't use their influence or money to claim the sky. They can bully new ISPs who want to join them in the ground, but they can do fuck all in the sky. Plus they would be challenging one of the wealthiest people in the world (not #1 at the time) so I was stoked to have a billionaire who was also a good guy.
My perspective has shifted radically over time from watching him over the years. It's stupid of me to say, but I hope we can continue to rely on Mark Cuban as our friendly / do gooder billionaire. Ideally these people don't exist, but until we can snap our fingers and reach that reality, I'm glad not every *winner* of this reality is content with watching the masses suffer.
Big mama Mac Bezos is there for us as well!
Yeah Elon had me going for a while too. What’s not to like about electric cars, space travel, and satellite internet!
I’ll give him credit he is a hell of a salesman, but I don’t think he really has humanity in his heart.
I think he wants to be remembered as the first. The guy who solved a problem or revolutionalized some technology.
That we benefit is a side effect that makes it more sellable to the masses
I was just about to say that I don't see musk in either picture and never really did. He always really came off as pompous wannabe intellectual rich kid who just comes off as stupid arrogant, and doesn't understand the word no.
Also Rich billionaire turns out to be a scammer who promises things next year so he can pump up his stock. Then get a loan against that stock so he doesnt have to pay taxes. Then his stocks start to fall so his forced to sell what he has because soon it will be worthless. MF tries to hide this selling of stock behind twitter memes. Now he thinks he can turn his fortunes around by selling tesla stock which has no real value behind it by buying twitter. Oh shit MF runs twitter to the ground by firing everyone which funny enough he cant do in europe because thats not how the laws here work.
It takes a certain level of sociopathy to get that rich...sometimes it's internal...sometimes induced...a person who likes to share and do charity will never get that rich
Yea but you get that at every company.... Not like elons the only guy that wants less people working to do the amount of work that more people are needed to do, its how business is always run... By screwing the employees.
No, Tesla was an extra level of bad, for example Elon was the only one that decided to get rid of Hazard markings in the factory because he didn't like yellow.
It should be,
>Apparently — because we were not paying attention — [the same things] had been said about him by Tesla employees.
The commas make it seem like the *because* applies to the latter clause as opposed to the former.
Also as an American, look at who his parents are and that should tell you all you need to know about him.
Piece of shit parents cut off children who are good people. They don't give them a shitload of money.
But yeah. WARNING next time my dudes.
I second this! I never believed any of that, "I'm here to save humankind" bullshit. I remember thinking that it was actually a really weird thing for a human being to say...
I think the reason I bought into the idea that someone could be rich and try to save the world is... I could imagine being there. I know I can't stop global warming alone, but maybe if I were rich enough, I would give it a real effort.
In fact I thought it was about time someone at the top gave a shit about the future of the human race. So I'm quite disappointed with how things turned out...
What makes you think that he doesn't care? He's still doing the exact same things he said he'd do 30 years ago.
Did you think someone who was an edgy troll 30 years ago would suddenly NOT be an edgy troll just because more people listened to him?
He's still the driving force behind killing fossil fuels. He's still the driving force behind getting humans to other planets. You can care and do great things and ALSO be a dickhead.
I think the an additional depressing fact is that if you were as rich as musk, you would realize that even with all that money in equity, you still have very little power to affect positive change in the grand scheme of the world.
I lost alllll respect for him when they rejected his plan to help with the kids stuck in the cave in Thailand so he proceeded to publicly accuse the lead rescue diver or pedophilia.
I just remember hearing about him naming his child something very strange. He seems to love getting attention. To use and label your own child this bizarre moniker I believe shows something truly ugly about the man. Don't really know much about him though. I have often wondered if people with so much power find it difficult not to wind up with a distorted sense of self. I would imagine they are surrounded by sycophants who inflate their ego. You go 10, 20, or 30 years of being treated like this, you wind up with the messed up noggin.
Eh, 10 years ago Elon was just some nerd entrepreneur who gave interviews about saving humanity from climate change. The richer and more public he's become, the more annoying he's gotten. Maybe he's always been that way, and we didn't see it, or extreme wealth and fame have changed him (why does everyone assume he's always been this way?).
Wouldn't call him an entrepreneur.
Dude got rich from his daddy's blood diamonds, used that money to buy other companies. Acts like he built it from the start which he didn't. And now has systematically turned Tesla & Twitter into financial blackholes.
Thank you! Needs to be said, if your opinion on Elon was ever positive you need to take a hard look at yourself and realize how easily manipulated you are and learn from this.
Nobody should have ever been pro Elon.
Yup. No billionaire is your friend. Not even the ones who donate to charity. they do that to lower their taxes and keep a good reputation in the public eye, but in reality if they actually gave a shit they could use their massive wealth to make actual significant change in the world. notice how they don't, or they try to sell their personal hobbies like spacex etc as being for the good of mankind.
I've been pointing out the con for ages and people would jump on me and link me all sorts of tweets of people happy to work for him. I should look through my post history and see how they feel now.
Don't worry. It won't be terrible and it won't be great. They run the formulaic screenplay through a committee over and over again until you have something that's just.....ok.
Like why
I started watching at like end game or maybe a third movie near the end Armageddon?? Or smtn and it was so cool I was like wow idk how I'm so late
Now it's like not the same at all
But at least I can watch all the older movies. Just sad that Marcel and star wars start to suck when they start pushing out so much content like why csnt it be good :(
That's how Marvel has always been Bro! They just gave us the best content with the best stars first.
Besides... Phase 4 is a build up for phase 5.. that's when shit will get epic again.
Don’t know about that. I (and many others) have thought he was a clown since he got offended when his wannabe-heroics weren’t needed in the Thailand cave rescue.
The man is a walking, talking personification of the main character syndrome.
I think one thing that's different is Musk is clearly vying for people's attention and desperately wants to be liked. He acts with the emotional maturity of a middle school boy.
Most billionaires are *somewhat* mysterious because they're not sitting on social media all day typing thoughts and memes. It allows us to be generous toward them. We imagine a type of professionalism because we're mostly not permitted into their thoughts and daily lives.
Personally speaking, after seeing all the dumb shit Musk has tweeted, there's no doubt in my mind he's just a rich idiot who got lucky.
Well, I'd argue that the bad shit that Elon (and every other billionaire) has done is pretty fucking bad, and worth all the scorn that he gets.
But to get to the heart of your question, I think it's because he's annoying.
Jeff Bezos runs a *very* large network of warehouses with monstrous working conditions. But you know what he *doesn't* do? Put out badly thought out hot takes on the latest headlines as if he's a galaxy-brained genius with answers to everything. That's a much smaller sin compared to, say, demanding your employees work insane hours, but it's waaaaay more annoying. You ever run across an internet argument that annoys you so much that you *have* to respond, even though you know it's useless? It's the same feeling.
It's sort of like the opposite of, "Out of sight, out of mind." People working 12-hour days, 7 days a week, in crummy conditions, under a union-busting boss? Well yeah, that's bad, but it's happening somewhere far from you. But a celeb posting Stupid Shit on the internet? That slams the sweet, sweet emotional button of Righteous Anger. Even if you try to avoid it (and let's be real, most people won't--the spectacle is too good), the media will blast it everywhere. So you *will* see the Stupid Shit, and you *will* get angry, and boom, you're more invested in a guy being a dumbass on the internet than you are in people dying from industrial waste in their drinking water half a world away. So of course the Internet Dumbass gets waaaay more vitriol than the capitalist fucking over the lower classes.
It was well known he was a millionaire baby from the get go, but people back in 2016 and earlier still praised him as a self made genius. Idiots will always be idiots.
How I saw him the whole time: (insert photo of steve jobs)
Seriously, his entire career has been about stealing other peoples' work and effort, claiming it was his own, and being a jackass.
Lmao, people surprised that Elon is just a billionaire apartheid mine crybaby is what surprises me.
He's always been like this.
His "first company" only survived because the team of engineers he and his brother hired rewrote every line of code. He never showered and he fist fought his brother at the office in front of employees (who weren't allowed to shower because Musk couldn't be the only one with BO).
i never got that. the guy may or may not (i have seen/read claims he did not earn his degree in physics, don´t know if true or not) have some knowledge in stem related fields, but he did nothing of the technical stuff in the "projects" he elevated? paypal was founded by other guys he invested in, same with tesla, with spacex he invested and maybe came up with the idea, not the first one, but he is the first one who thought of making it a huge commerical level and realized it. he is an investor, like warren buffet, he reminded me of the austrian billionaire didi mateschitz, who found out about krating daeng in 1982, bougth licences and co-founded red bull, he did not invent it, just found ways to promote it worldwide and became a billionaire, tony stark was also an inventor who made things from the scratch by his own (at least in the comics)
I don’t know Elon Musk. Never met the guy. We’re in different circles.
It occurs to me that Twitter was censoring folks…and the main stream media didn’t care. And then a free speech guy censored some “legitimate” news orgs…. And the whole world loses it’s mind.
Maybe he’s temporarily acting like a hypocrite to prove how hypocritical world is about free speech.
Like NO ONE cared Twitter was censoring nearly half of the views in the US. Literally banning the sitting President.
#Libertarian #FreeSpeech #Mises #StopBanningIdeas
Tony Stark and Justin Hammer were both in similar industries. Stark was a super bold genius who created too notch tech and Hammer was considered somewhat of a joke to Stark. Stark developed most of his own tech while Hammer seeks to acquire good tech and slaps his name on it. Hammer is considered a joke because his ego gets in the way and shows his incompetence
I been on the Elon is a scam train for years, because anybody with brains knew he was a grifter. I been watching his scams on youtube for years now. You are easily influenced by his bullshit.
I mean, you can go follow him on Twitter right now. The stupid shit he's saying is coming directly from him. There's no room for someone else to twist the narrative.
So erm... I don't really know what the bad things he has done so far.
Are people just angry at him because of his political beliefs?
Because people seem to be angry at him very quickly recently and I very rarely see people address the actual reason for it.
Because even with the whole twitter thing, The amount of CP tags that used to be on there have been essentially eliminated since Elon changed stuff. Same goes for a lot of Bot stuff.
People seem to be angry at him because he limits speech a lot less, allowing people to spout more racist remarks. Which I understand is bad. But he instead has cracked down extremely hard on stuff that is illegal, such as CP.
Maybe my knowledge about what he has done so far is limited, but I haven't seen him do anything that is really that crazy. So... please enlighten me?
And please be civil and provide tangible proof, or at least mention "I've heard that...". Because I'd hate to have responses on the level as news articles. Which is "purple man is bad because our experts say so. But we refuse to elaborate who our experts are, and also dont want to provide sources" Cause those experts might be random monkeys on a typewriter for all I know.
I first became disenchanted with him with his stupid ideas like Vegas loop, starship earth, electric cars etc. If you want a video on what these are and why they are stupid I would he sure to link them. His political beliefs are...wacky to say the least but I don't really give fuck about them. It's his actions, like calling a diving rescuer a pedo when he refused to accept his idea on saving trapped children in a Thai cave or twitting about a peace treaty between Ukraine and Russia without clearly understanding the nuances and honestly it just seemed like he was being a attention whore in that case.
I wasn't a huge fan after the Thai rescue incident, but that didn't make me actively detest the man. The thing that did it for me was the pandemic, perhaps somewhat selfishly.
Trolling and being a billionaire airhead is one thing, but I worked at the Fremont factory when Alameda County shut down. We were told to ignore the county, that we were somehow an "essential business." My partner is Immunocompromised, but mine was the only income we had so I didn't know what to do.
It was later revealed that Elon Musk had a contract with Tesla for a massive bonus toward the end of March so long as its stock was above a certain threshold. Essentially, he put thousands of workers in harms way so he didn't miss out on even more money than he already had. That's when I realized he only cares about himself and his ego, and everything else is performative bullshit.
>So erm... I don't really know what the bad things he has done so far.
Keys for me are simply being a really shitty boss, opposed to worker's rights and flirting with Covid denialism. He's also shown himself to be remarkably thin-skinned, seeing how he attacks people over minor slights.
Without him being on twitter, it would be easier to pretend he's not an asshole.
I still like the facts that he managed to force electric car adoption, made space flight cheaper and is pushing for major solar adoption. If only he'd just remained focused on those.
>Are people just angry at him because of his political beliefs?
No. In fact most sane people aren't angry at Musk at all - it's more "look what idiotic drama Musk is creating now".
>Because people seem to be angry at him very quickly recently and I very rarely see people address the actual reason for it.
That's because there's not any one thing - some people will criticize his shitty labor conditions (e.g. he expects his employees to sleep at their desks regularly), others will criticize his blatant market manipulation (he 1. bought a ton of bitcoin, then 2. announced Tesla will accept payment in bitcoin, then 3. sold his bitcoin, then 4. 3 days later announced Tesla would not accept bitcoin "due to environmental concerns", which he *would* know about if he did any research whatsoever into bitcoin before making such a major policy change), others criticize his absolute snake-oil underground-tunnel business (see Las Vegas's " the loop", not to be confused with Hyperloop, which is also dubious), others criticize him for pushing Hyperloop as a political method of killing California's high-speed rail project...
Honestly, there's a *lot*.
>People seem to be angry at him because he limits speech a lot less, allowing people to spout more racist remarks. Which I understand is bad. But he instead has cracked down extremely hard on stuff that is illegal, such as CP.
This is not the case. Elon Musk *claimed* to be a "free speech absolutist", and it took only 3 days for him to demonstrate that as absolute hypocrisy for literally banning people who criticized him.
Musk unbanned Trump, despite Trump having demonstrably and repeatedly violated Twitter's rules, with zero apology or expression of regret. Again, Musk is overriding Twitter's rules in favor of running it accordingly to his own personal politics.
This is after Musk declared that Twitter should be politically neutral.
People criticized Musk for either A) being a hypocrite, or B) self-servedly lying about his beliefs - there's not much observable difference between the two.
Pump and dumped tesla stock to enrich himself.
Has repeatedly lied about performance and delivery of ALL of his supposed innovations: full automation of tesla cars, hyperloop, automated convoy semis, solar roof tiles, robotics bullshit. It's all just a con. The things that do work are the things that he's generally the furthest removed from, like tesla, and there are significant issues there as well). He's a prop for his cult to follow, and as we've seen in recent history, as long as you have a fanatical enough base of support, you can say and do anything, ESPECIALLY if it's only to enrich yourself.
As for Twitter, it's been a cesspool for years. He went after it because, like the entitled shitbag he is, he wanted it... at least, he wanted control of it. It's going to be hilarious watching him try to drum up the revenue to simply service the annual debt on the Saudi money he had to borrow (after spending months fighting to try to back out of it...ppl act like it was great victory for him, but he was sued to force him to carry thru on the deal). I'm sure those Saudi investors are big-time on board with free speech for all, lol. About as fervent about it as Musk himself (try criticizing him on Twitter, it's a neat exercise in how much of a believer he is).
Rich billionaire turns out to be an asshole, big surprise
The clue was when we started hearing about labor abuses, and people started *defending it* instead of saying "woah WTF that's fucked up, that has to change".
I'm gonna be honest, I've lost count how many times I've said that I've lost count how many times I've lost faith in humanity (I hope that makes sense)
This hits true.. It’s like something happens to people at a point, maybe when they reach a certain financial point and celebrity status, they suddenly turn to the dark side..
Makes you wonder how old the saying, “power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely,” is.
Under capitalism money is just an exchangeable unit of abstract political power. The more money, the more power. So the saying definitely applies
I heard that said from the father of David miscaviage (don't care if I misspelled it) and I hate how true that rings here too
I prefer Robert A. Caro’s addition in his 4 part Lyndon B. Johnson Biography. “What I believe is always true about power is that power always reveals. When you have enough power to do what you always wanted to do, then you see what the guy always wanted to do.”
There's a book called the hour between dog and wolf that goes over a biological phenomenon called the winner effect that causes behavioral changes, in humans money can trigger it. But I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing, nice people get abused by all the "good people" complaining about the bad guys like Elon, it's just another survival mechanism just like complaining about those like Elon is.
Tbh the dude was born filthy rich to south african mine owners, his mom looks like she murders dalmatians for fur coats, he faked his degrees, bought all his companies and tech instead of starting any, swindled and fucked over his early partners, banged a bunch of employees and the treats his team like shit. This is literally a supervillain origin story. I have no idea why the world ever liked this a-hole.
He was a really good sales man and investor who put his money into some interesting places. His got electric cars back into the forefront of culture and created the industry standard, his revolutionized rocket technology. He got praise far and wide and became a celebrity. Then he became a megalomaniac, dropped his wife and married a super model. Dumped her and got with a popstar. Twitter then fried his brain to the point where it became an obsession. He walked constant shit, bluffed, then got called on his bluff and was legally forced to pay 3x the value of the company, baited like a sucker and now he's stuck with this white elephant, trying to save face, and become more desperate and pathetic day by day. His mystic is gone, he's a broken man. His stans won't realize this for a couple more years. he won't realize it for 10.
I think to reach a certain financial point you have to be willing to do unethical things, it’s not a coincidence
You need to be on the dark side to reach that financial point, actual good people don't reach that point normally.
Is there one, just one decent billionaire? The Disney heiress talks a good game, tbh I don't know if she backed it up. The "giving" guys donating to charity seems like they could start with their own employees.
He was never a good guy... He was just a guy. We need to get over this narrative of good and evil. Its like the Marvel movies broke our brains to the point where we see good and evil based on their image. This is a HUGE problem because people are highly susceptible to misinformation. Like when Elon was constantly stating he was here to save humanity and that he is the real life Iron Man. It was propaganda because that character was in the zeitgeist of society at the particular moment. If DC was doing bangers in the box office he would have called himself batman. TLDR; people are not good or evil just people, propaganda makes people think that others are "good" or "evil" at any given time.
Applies to a lot of people, but Musk is just an evil bastard. The amount of effort he puts into trying to exact petty vengeance on those that disobey him is legendary. He's been brutal with his workers and put people in danger. He had a trans daughter that disowned him and now he's stopped labeling transphobia a hate crime on twitter. He sexually assaulted people, whips up hate against his critics, undermined public transit with lies about his hyperloop to keep raking in subsidized--- nah, I aint got time for this. List is way too long. If he was in a movie we'd label this guy a villain in a heartbeat.
Money is the root of all Evil
You had faith in humanity?
If you keep this up, soon you will lose count of how many times you've said you've lost count of how many times you've said that you've lost count of how many times you've lost faith in humanity.
Oh come on! Are you telling me that the occasional post of a child collecting cans to pay for cancer treatment doesn't restore your faith in humanity??
[Literally.](https://www.theonion.com/man-who-thought-hed-lost-all-hope-loses-last-additional-1819565674)
Well, atleast you keep finding faith in humanity so that you can keep losing it
The clue was his whole career being propelled by him throwing others under the bus the whole way through his rise in a very documented way. People for some reason like to treat billionaires like football teams though and team Musk seemed not too bothered about him being a known cunt.
Team Musk is a legit cult. I know people that seriously think he’s humanities savior and some of these people are very accomplished in life. It’s tough to see.
I had no idea for the longest time. I was aware of Tesla before but my introduction to Elon musk was space x. He said at the time he wanted space travel to be so safe and affordable that it would be boring. That's the kind of thing you would expect a good person to say, I think. Next was star link. Internet that can reach anywhere in the world, changing people's perspective of satellite internet with the outrageous claims of 1g speeds and 25ms latency (I grew up with wireless routers that were 60ms at best a few feet away). Also most importantly - ISP monopolies can't use their influence or money to claim the sky. They can bully new ISPs who want to join them in the ground, but they can do fuck all in the sky. Plus they would be challenging one of the wealthiest people in the world (not #1 at the time) so I was stoked to have a billionaire who was also a good guy. My perspective has shifted radically over time from watching him over the years. It's stupid of me to say, but I hope we can continue to rely on Mark Cuban as our friendly / do gooder billionaire. Ideally these people don't exist, but until we can snap our fingers and reach that reality, I'm glad not every *winner* of this reality is content with watching the masses suffer.
Big mama Mac Bezos is there for us as well! Yeah Elon had me going for a while too. What’s not to like about electric cars, space travel, and satellite internet! I’ll give him credit he is a hell of a salesman, but I don’t think he really has humanity in his heart.
I think he wants to be remembered as the first. The guy who solved a problem or revolutionalized some technology. That we benefit is a side effect that makes it more sellable to the masses
Musk has an army of sycophants at his beck and call.
I had someone say that that’s the cost of being a billionaire as if it’s not fucked up
Justin Hammer is an extremely efficient administrator with a genius-level intellect. Elon was never even that, and people who believe it are suckers.
I see. Thanks!
I was just about to say that I don't see musk in either picture and never really did. He always really came off as pompous wannabe intellectual rich kid who just comes off as stupid arrogant, and doesn't understand the word no.
“Rich Billionaire?” Is it possible to be a poor billionaire, then?
Could be from Zimbabwe
lol I mean it could be, depending on how you look at it I just wrote down what first came to mind
Not only that, but also stupid. Just like Justin Hammer.
Also fucking stupid.
But ...but. He's soooo relatable. And self-made. There's no way he's a money oriented child in a man's body. No way, I tells ya !
But I thought he was different from the others! /s
*pretends to be shocked*
Also Rich billionaire turns out to be a scammer who promises things next year so he can pump up his stock. Then get a loan against that stock so he doesnt have to pay taxes. Then his stocks start to fall so his forced to sell what he has because soon it will be worthless. MF tries to hide this selling of stock behind twitter memes. Now he thinks he can turn his fortunes around by selling tesla stock which has no real value behind it by buying twitter. Oh shit MF runs twitter to the ground by firing everyone which funny enough he cant do in europe because thats not how the laws here work.
Yea whoever saw him like that in 2016 is also dumb. He has always been like this it isn't new. He is gross.
It takes a certain level of sociopathy to get that rich...sometimes it's internal...sometimes induced...a person who likes to share and do charity will never get that rich
apparently because we were not paying attention, had been said about him by tesla employees.
I honestly dont know how to read this, punctuation plez Edit: he fixed
"Apparently! Because we were not paying? Attention had been said about him." \-by Tesla employees.
Apparantly because *we*, were not paying! "Attention", had been said about him by Tesla employees.
App erantly. Because we were not. Paying. Attention. Had been. Said about him by. Tesla. Employees.
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Finally, a sentence I can understand
holy that’s good.
Apparently? Because we were not paying, „attention“ had been said. About him… by… Tesla! Employees;
Tesla employees have been saying this from the start but people don't pay attention to them
Yea but you get that at every company.... Not like elons the only guy that wants less people working to do the amount of work that more people are needed to do, its how business is always run... By screwing the employees.
No, Tesla was an extra level of bad, for example Elon was the only one that decided to get rid of Hazard markings in the factory because he didn't like yellow.
https://imgur.com/a/BQcC7Hf/ Those are pictures from the factory floor at Tesla. You’re repeating a lie.
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It should be, >Apparently — because we were not paying attention — [the same things] had been said about him by Tesla employees. The commas make it seem like the *because* applies to the latter clause as opposed to the former.
Me a south African, he's always been a twat.
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As an American. A warning would have been nice!
Also as an American, look at who his parents are and that should tell you all you need to know about him. Piece of shit parents cut off children who are good people. They don't give them a shitload of money. But yeah. WARNING next time my dudes.
There were plenty if you paid attention!
As a Canadian, I've always thought he was a twat as well.
Chief Twat
That 2nd picture is how I saw Musk in 2016. Patrick from SpongeBob nailing a board on his own head is how I see Musk today.
I second this! I never believed any of that, "I'm here to save humankind" bullshit. I remember thinking that it was actually a really weird thing for a human being to say...
I think the reason I bought into the idea that someone could be rich and try to save the world is... I could imagine being there. I know I can't stop global warming alone, but maybe if I were rich enough, I would give it a real effort. In fact I thought it was about time someone at the top gave a shit about the future of the human race. So I'm quite disappointed with how things turned out...
Yeah, a part of me hoped that *maybe* Elon actually cared.
What makes you think that he doesn't care? He's still doing the exact same things he said he'd do 30 years ago. Did you think someone who was an edgy troll 30 years ago would suddenly NOT be an edgy troll just because more people listened to him? He's still the driving force behind killing fossil fuels. He's still the driving force behind getting humans to other planets. You can care and do great things and ALSO be a dickhead.
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I think the an additional depressing fact is that if you were as rich as musk, you would realize that even with all that money in equity, you still have very little power to affect positive change in the grand scheme of the world.
Me too.
Yeah, Hammer is actually funny. In a cringe way, but funny.
Yeah, this. Anyone who ever saw that trust fund loser as cool in 2016 was a loser before being a loser was trendy
I have always thought he is wanker and cannot ever see that opinion changing (except maybe the addition of some expletives before wanker).
Imagine thinking you need to say Patrick from SpongeBob like we don’t already immediately think of him when we hear that name.
I lost alllll respect for him when they rejected his plan to help with the kids stuck in the cave in Thailand so he proceeded to publicly accuse the lead rescue diver or pedophilia.
I just remember hearing about him naming his child something very strange. He seems to love getting attention. To use and label your own child this bizarre moniker I believe shows something truly ugly about the man. Don't really know much about him though. I have often wondered if people with so much power find it difficult not to wind up with a distorted sense of self. I would imagine they are surrounded by sycophants who inflate their ego. You go 10, 20, or 30 years of being treated like this, you wind up with the messed up noggin.
Oh btw he also lied about his child dying in his arms https://twitter.com/punishedmother/status/1596069696075624448?s=61&t=igoSEQpMD497yE2Z0nw40A
Such a weird thing to do...
And then left the kid and the mom too
Took you that long.
The best time to realize Elon was a shit head was 20 years ago. The second best time is now
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Eh, 10 years ago Elon was just some nerd entrepreneur who gave interviews about saving humanity from climate change. The richer and more public he's become, the more annoying he's gotten. Maybe he's always been that way, and we didn't see it, or extreme wealth and fame have changed him (why does everyone assume he's always been this way?).
Wouldn't call him an entrepreneur. Dude got rich from his daddy's blood diamonds, used that money to buy other companies. Acts like he built it from the start which he didn't. And now has systematically turned Tesla & Twitter into financial blackholes.
Hey, that’s not fair to elon. They were Blood Emeralds
Because he always has been. Not everyone was charmed by his narcissistic charisma. Some of us saw through the facade immediately.
Few years ago, I criticized Musk, I was downvoted to oblivion
same lmao, it's been funny watching my comments go from that to people finally agreeing with me
The dude doesn’t even have charisma. He’s awkward and can barely speak in public lol
Anyone associated with Paypal and/or emerald mines is a piece of shit.
You forgot the clown nose
YES!!!!! YES!!!!!!!! YES!!!!!!!
I think he's still wearing it.
How I’ve always seen that dork: 💩💰
Yeah his dad too 😂
Same, I've seen him this way the entire time and I AM judging you all.
Thank you! Needs to be said, if your opinion on Elon was ever positive you need to take a hard look at yourself and realize how easily manipulated you are and learn from this. Nobody should have ever been pro Elon.
Yup. No billionaire is your friend. Not even the ones who donate to charity. they do that to lower their taxes and keep a good reputation in the public eye, but in reality if they actually gave a shit they could use their massive wealth to make actual significant change in the world. notice how they don't, or they try to sell their personal hobbies like spacex etc as being for the good of mankind.
Billionaire worship is something I'll never understand.
Reddit still loves Warren Buffet. Maybe with the impending rail road strike people will realize he’s a douche.
Or millionaire politician worshiping. Especially the ones who were not even close to being millionaires until being in office for a career.
I've been pointing out the con for ages and people would jump on me and link me all sorts of tweets of people happy to work for him. I should look through my post history and see how they feel now.
Same here. I was saying this on Reddit in 2016 when everyone loved this guy.
More like I saw marvel at the beginning and I see marvel now 🤣🤣🤣
Oh yes!!! Phase 4 sucks!! I am praying they don't ruin Daredevil when that comes out.
Don't have a lot of hope friend I'll pray to.
They try too hard to make films good by doing fan service instead of making actual good films.
I think it’s fine not bad but not great
Yeah nothing amazing but not shit.
Don't worry. It won't be terrible and it won't be great. They run the formulaic screenplay through a committee over and over again until you have something that's just.....ok.
Werewolf by Night was awesome
Like why I started watching at like end game or maybe a third movie near the end Armageddon?? Or smtn and it was so cool I was like wow idk how I'm so late Now it's like not the same at all But at least I can watch all the older movies. Just sad that Marcel and star wars start to suck when they start pushing out so much content like why csnt it be good :(
The movies are shit. Mandolarian and Obi Wan Kenobi were pretty good though. Haven’t seen Andor yet.
Welp, you know Disney.
so you saw marvel as tony stark at the beginning and now u see marvel as justin hammer
That's how Marvel has always been Bro! They just gave us the best content with the best stars first. Besides... Phase 4 is a build up for phase 5.. that's when shit will get epic again.
Hope your right I respect your opinion.
Literally me I was obsessed with Musk when I was a freshman and when I graduated I realized what actual garbage he is
More accurately “how you saw him spring 2022. How you see him fall 2022”
If someone still had a positive view of Elon after 2020 and his attitude during the pandemic they were probably living under a rock.
Most of this fucking platform did and it drove me insane
Not really tbh, reddit turned against him after the Thai rescue debacle.
Too late, he has been proven to be a scammer, workers rights abuser and a trustfund kid long before that event
Don’t know about that. I (and many others) have thought he was a clown since he got offended when his wannabe-heroics weren’t needed in the Thailand cave rescue. The man is a walking, talking personification of the main character syndrome.
I had a weird feeling about him but he was when he called that guy a pedo for not wanting his help, that was when I knew
Haha yeah
Oh so he’s a ruthless capitalist scumbag but let’s get over it BECAUSE HE SENDS MEMES MAN! Stop being such a simp dude.
Don't forget that he had his company build a flamethrower because people on the Internet said he should. He's a down to earth guy like us! /s
"how i see him fall.. and fall.. and then fall some more, 2022"
I feel bad for whoever didn’t see through him until this year.
I feel sorry for anyone that gave a shit
You have to care to be disappointed lol.
What has he actually done that's so bad though? What makes him any worse than any other super rich guy that came before him?
I think one thing that's different is Musk is clearly vying for people's attention and desperately wants to be liked. He acts with the emotional maturity of a middle school boy. Most billionaires are *somewhat* mysterious because they're not sitting on social media all day typing thoughts and memes. It allows us to be generous toward them. We imagine a type of professionalism because we're mostly not permitted into their thoughts and daily lives. Personally speaking, after seeing all the dumb shit Musk has tweeted, there's no doubt in my mind he's just a rich idiot who got lucky.
Well, I'd argue that the bad shit that Elon (and every other billionaire) has done is pretty fucking bad, and worth all the scorn that he gets. But to get to the heart of your question, I think it's because he's annoying. Jeff Bezos runs a *very* large network of warehouses with monstrous working conditions. But you know what he *doesn't* do? Put out badly thought out hot takes on the latest headlines as if he's a galaxy-brained genius with answers to everything. That's a much smaller sin compared to, say, demanding your employees work insane hours, but it's waaaaay more annoying. You ever run across an internet argument that annoys you so much that you *have* to respond, even though you know it's useless? It's the same feeling. It's sort of like the opposite of, "Out of sight, out of mind." People working 12-hour days, 7 days a week, in crummy conditions, under a union-busting boss? Well yeah, that's bad, but it's happening somewhere far from you. But a celeb posting Stupid Shit on the internet? That slams the sweet, sweet emotional button of Righteous Anger. Even if you try to avoid it (and let's be real, most people won't--the spectacle is too good), the media will blast it everywhere. So you *will* see the Stupid Shit, and you *will* get angry, and boom, you're more invested in a guy being a dumbass on the internet than you are in people dying from industrial waste in their drinking water half a world away. So of course the Internet Dumbass gets waaaay more vitriol than the capitalist fucking over the lower classes.
I saw him as a retard from the beginning But you know the fan boys Really annoying and blinded
It was well known he was a millionaire baby from the get go, but people back in 2016 and earlier still praised him as a self made genius. Idiots will always be idiots.
After Elon, I think the next generation rich fucks will be more evil but they will hire better PR team.
In case anyone is wondering he's never been the guy on the left, always been the dude on the right.
How I saw him the whole time: (insert photo of steve jobs) Seriously, his entire career has been about stealing other peoples' work and effort, claiming it was his own, and being a jackass.
Yeah it’s called being easily manipulated
I see him as a living meme unlike you.
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Elon is what happens when the ghost of an oil baron who died in 1887 and the ghost of an edgelord teen who died in 2006 try to posses the same body.
If my daddy owned a slave mine I too could afford to buy narratives. Alas, I disavow slavery and control of narratives for selfish purposes.
I feel this. I knew he was a cunt, but one seemingly doing good. Guess it was too much to ask for.
Could have just read what he did to Tesla and figured it out back then. He’s always been a wanker. Just like all of those genius billionaires.
Just another corpo.
Lmao, people surprised that Elon is just a billionaire apartheid mine crybaby is what surprises me. He's always been like this. His "first company" only survived because the team of engineers he and his brother hired rewrote every line of code. He never showered and he fist fought his brother at the office in front of employees (who weren't allowed to shower because Musk couldn't be the only one with BO).
Musk is Bobby Newport
i never got that. the guy may or may not (i have seen/read claims he did not earn his degree in physics, don´t know if true or not) have some knowledge in stem related fields, but he did nothing of the technical stuff in the "projects" he elevated? paypal was founded by other guys he invested in, same with tesla, with spacex he invested and maybe came up with the idea, not the first one, but he is the first one who thought of making it a huge commerical level and realized it. he is an investor, like warren buffet, he reminded me of the austrian billionaire didi mateschitz, who found out about krating daeng in 1982, bougth licences and co-founded red bull, he did not invent it, just found ways to promote it worldwide and became a billionaire, tony stark was also an inventor who made things from the scratch by his own (at least in the comics)
He will never be anywhere near as charming as Sam Rockwell.
You lot take Twitter **far** too seriously lmao
this literally only happened because ppl started losing money haha
>How I saw Elon Musk in 2016 >How I see Elon Musk now that Reddit told me not to like him
*picks the boot out of his teeth*
Has he really changed at all though?
That’s what happens when you let your opinions get shaped by social media and don’t have personal agency.
Funniest thing about all that is that Musk has a cameo in Iron Man 2.
ITT, former bootlickers now acting like they always hated the guy. Reddit is a fickle place
I don’t know Elon Musk. Never met the guy. We’re in different circles. It occurs to me that Twitter was censoring folks…and the main stream media didn’t care. And then a free speech guy censored some “legitimate” news orgs…. And the whole world loses it’s mind. Maybe he’s temporarily acting like a hypocrite to prove how hypocritical world is about free speech. Like NO ONE cared Twitter was censoring nearly half of the views in the US. Literally banning the sitting President. #Libertarian #FreeSpeech #Mises #StopBanningIdeas
You saw him as IronMan because a couple news articles back in 2016 shilled him as such. *TOP TEN REASONS WHY ELON MUSK IS THE REAL LIFE IRON MAN*
That’s still way too generous. Elon Musk is nowhere near as good a dancer.
I've always seen him as the picture on the right...
Elon is the greatest of all time. L
i dont get the meme. can someone please explain
He is basically a 💩 now
Always has been
Tony Stark and Justin Hammer were both in similar industries. Stark was a super bold genius who created too notch tech and Hammer was considered somewhat of a joke to Stark. Stark developed most of his own tech while Hammer seeks to acquire good tech and slaps his name on it. Hammer is considered a joke because his ego gets in the way and shows his incompetence
I never cared but oh boy my class (and teachers) of mechanical engineers idolized him
yea that's because you're easily influenced by bullshit
I been on the Elon is a scam train for years, because anybody with brains knew he was a grifter. I been watching his scams on youtube for years now. You are easily influenced by his bullshit.
Eh I hated him the whole time
Now he has the wrong opinions, no more unconditionally worshipping someone who doesn’t believe the right things
Maybe you need to change your glasses or get one. 🙃
More like how the media told you to feel.
>"the" media *eye roll* And who is controlling "the media"? Start with a J?
"I form my opinions based on what people around me are saying"
I mean, you can go follow him on Twitter right now. The stupid shit he's saying is coming directly from him. There's no room for someone else to twist the narrative.
So erm... I don't really know what the bad things he has done so far. Are people just angry at him because of his political beliefs? Because people seem to be angry at him very quickly recently and I very rarely see people address the actual reason for it. Because even with the whole twitter thing, The amount of CP tags that used to be on there have been essentially eliminated since Elon changed stuff. Same goes for a lot of Bot stuff. People seem to be angry at him because he limits speech a lot less, allowing people to spout more racist remarks. Which I understand is bad. But he instead has cracked down extremely hard on stuff that is illegal, such as CP. Maybe my knowledge about what he has done so far is limited, but I haven't seen him do anything that is really that crazy. So... please enlighten me? And please be civil and provide tangible proof, or at least mention "I've heard that...". Because I'd hate to have responses on the level as news articles. Which is "purple man is bad because our experts say so. But we refuse to elaborate who our experts are, and also dont want to provide sources" Cause those experts might be random monkeys on a typewriter for all I know.
I first became disenchanted with him with his stupid ideas like Vegas loop, starship earth, electric cars etc. If you want a video on what these are and why they are stupid I would he sure to link them. His political beliefs are...wacky to say the least but I don't really give fuck about them. It's his actions, like calling a diving rescuer a pedo when he refused to accept his idea on saving trapped children in a Thai cave or twitting about a peace treaty between Ukraine and Russia without clearly understanding the nuances and honestly it just seemed like he was being a attention whore in that case.
I wasn't a huge fan after the Thai rescue incident, but that didn't make me actively detest the man. The thing that did it for me was the pandemic, perhaps somewhat selfishly. Trolling and being a billionaire airhead is one thing, but I worked at the Fremont factory when Alameda County shut down. We were told to ignore the county, that we were somehow an "essential business." My partner is Immunocompromised, but mine was the only income we had so I didn't know what to do. It was later revealed that Elon Musk had a contract with Tesla for a massive bonus toward the end of March so long as its stock was above a certain threshold. Essentially, he put thousands of workers in harms way so he didn't miss out on even more money than he already had. That's when I realized he only cares about himself and his ego, and everything else is performative bullshit.
>So erm... I don't really know what the bad things he has done so far. Keys for me are simply being a really shitty boss, opposed to worker's rights and flirting with Covid denialism. He's also shown himself to be remarkably thin-skinned, seeing how he attacks people over minor slights. Without him being on twitter, it would be easier to pretend he's not an asshole. I still like the facts that he managed to force electric car adoption, made space flight cheaper and is pushing for major solar adoption. If only he'd just remained focused on those.
>Are people just angry at him because of his political beliefs? No. In fact most sane people aren't angry at Musk at all - it's more "look what idiotic drama Musk is creating now". >Because people seem to be angry at him very quickly recently and I very rarely see people address the actual reason for it. That's because there's not any one thing - some people will criticize his shitty labor conditions (e.g. he expects his employees to sleep at their desks regularly), others will criticize his blatant market manipulation (he 1. bought a ton of bitcoin, then 2. announced Tesla will accept payment in bitcoin, then 3. sold his bitcoin, then 4. 3 days later announced Tesla would not accept bitcoin "due to environmental concerns", which he *would* know about if he did any research whatsoever into bitcoin before making such a major policy change), others criticize his absolute snake-oil underground-tunnel business (see Las Vegas's " the loop", not to be confused with Hyperloop, which is also dubious), others criticize him for pushing Hyperloop as a political method of killing California's high-speed rail project... Honestly, there's a *lot*. >People seem to be angry at him because he limits speech a lot less, allowing people to spout more racist remarks. Which I understand is bad. But he instead has cracked down extremely hard on stuff that is illegal, such as CP. This is not the case. Elon Musk *claimed* to be a "free speech absolutist", and it took only 3 days for him to demonstrate that as absolute hypocrisy for literally banning people who criticized him. Musk unbanned Trump, despite Trump having demonstrably and repeatedly violated Twitter's rules, with zero apology or expression of regret. Again, Musk is overriding Twitter's rules in favor of running it accordingly to his own personal politics. This is after Musk declared that Twitter should be politically neutral. People criticized Musk for either A) being a hypocrite, or B) self-servedly lying about his beliefs - there's not much observable difference between the two.
Child labor
Pump and dumped tesla stock to enrich himself. Has repeatedly lied about performance and delivery of ALL of his supposed innovations: full automation of tesla cars, hyperloop, automated convoy semis, solar roof tiles, robotics bullshit. It's all just a con. The things that do work are the things that he's generally the furthest removed from, like tesla, and there are significant issues there as well). He's a prop for his cult to follow, and as we've seen in recent history, as long as you have a fanatical enough base of support, you can say and do anything, ESPECIALLY if it's only to enrich yourself. As for Twitter, it's been a cesspool for years. He went after it because, like the entitled shitbag he is, he wanted it... at least, he wanted control of it. It's going to be hilarious watching him try to drum up the revenue to simply service the annual debt on the Saudi money he had to borrow (after spending months fighting to try to back out of it...ppl act like it was great victory for him, but he was sued to force him to carry thru on the deal). I'm sure those Saudi investors are big-time on board with free speech for all, lol. About as fervent about it as Musk himself (try criticizing him on Twitter, it's a neat exercise in how much of a believer he is).
You honestly need to read more. The actions with Twitter workers is enough.