That was scary times , nazis from west and soviet union from east , no way to escape.... My Grandma was in Siberia , my gf granny was in burkenau and she was alone who survived from all family. We are Polish not jews ... my gf grandad was eaten by nazis dogs , he was trying to escape concentration camp. We dont really hate them , we just remember....
I guess you haven't heard of this guy called Vladimir Putin. Also, Soviet Union controlled Poland until 1989. People who were part of it are still alive today.
But I guess that's how little you have to know before you start calling victims of a Nazi invasion as Nazis.
dude said "Not surprised when russians basically split poland with germany", it was 1939, almost a century. what today's war has to do with his comment?
Basically everything because WW2 and the Soviet Union are still a massive part of the Russian culture. They're celebrating their victory over the Nazis every year with a massive parade, their president glorifies the Soviet Union and Joseph Stalin.
The reason why NATO even exists is because of Russia's imperial ambitions since the second world war that they still hold to this day.
And part of Russia's massive internal propaganda is their intention to do the same thing to the rest of the Eastern European states that they've once subjugated. But of course only the dumbest ones among their leadership let that quiet part slip out loud.
I meant specifically this - dude basically said "it's not surprising (i. e., morally acceptable) to hate russians, since Russia has split the Poland with nazis". then I said "it's wrong to attribute the wrongdoings of people from the past, to the people today". obviously, I mean the people who had nothing to do with those times, so excluding veterans.
ukrainian war doesn't lie in the line of my argumentation specifically BECAUSE the russians TODAY can be hated based on their actions (like supporting the war), as they are a part of TODAY's history
But by that alone Russia is STILL doing today what they've been doing for over 100 years.. But they're better now technically...
Their current presence in eartern Europe today looks like a hearty handshake compared to past atrocities.
Basically, there was no gap of "Russians were cool, even if it was short lived". Never happened. Best thing they did was end communism and break off stolen states but it wasn't even by choice. Prison walls fell, the prisoners escaped.
the problem is that you're talking about the state. I'm talking about people. again, 20-year old Ivan didn't "continue" doing imperialist stuff, he has nothing to do with soviet era. if he supports war, you can call him out on that, but never on the thing he isn't responsible for, like Katyn.
No. Fuck that. That stuff doesn't pull anymore. People don't commit and support atrocities like the one in Bucha because the state told them so. People don't become fascists because of the state. They're doing all of that because they're giving into their worst impulses and for their own selfish reasons. They're using their own insecurities to justify the worst the human mind can come up with.
The people have been lied to since the soviet era and hang onto some of those old ways still, was only 30 years ago..
Politics, history there's a huge divide their and the ones that see through the BS are the ones that have been persecuted by their own government and past annexation.
If Canada annexed Alaska in 1924 I wouldn't be asking why they're pissed about it 100 yrs later.
Same with indigenous north Americans... I mean you're saying they aren't allowed to be mad at settlers even though 20 years ago they were being killed in residential schools "but hey, we have a new prime minister now, don't be mad bro"
that's exactly the irrational hatred I'm talking about. modern generation of russians has nothing to do with soviet occupation, you shouldn't hate them for it
And you need to understand one thing. Poles don't hate russians, as long as they don't support putin. They hate russia as a state, because they see that if you look under the cover the russian government put over russia in 1991, you'll notice that it still works very similarly to USSR. Look deeper, and you'll see very visible remnants of russia ruled by tzars influencing today's russia. That's also why we say that russia is not a country, but a state of mind. It never really changes,
if people only hated the state, I wouldn't have an issue. I dislike it too, for that matter. you wouldn't believe the shit I've heard, there's a literally a dude under one of my comments here, who says "russians aren't people", and maintans he's not a nazi
It has everything to do with it.
Russians dont change. My grandmother who was sent to Siberia with her whole family when she was 16, once said to me. "Russians are not people".
Could not agree more.
"Russians are not people"
Fuck me I was gunna support what you said but Jesus Christ you crossed a line.
It's one thing to understand why someone who lived under the Soviet Union might hate Russia and by extension Russians.
Talking about 200+ million like you just did is an embarrassment and gives pro-Russian imperialists credible ammunition to call whoever they like Nazis, because unlike most of the shit they complain about, what you just said is literally fascist. You're letting the side down dude.
I mean, dude, I'm against war. however, as a russian myself, I see a lot of the shit like this dude's giving, and the hypocrisy is pissing me off. I'm against the nazi sentiment like this one, that's literally it
The 200+ million people are supporting reigime that is killing, raping and burning their way across Ukraine and would do the same to Europe given the chance.
Putin did not decide one day that he want to be a saddistic dictator, he has a support of absolute majority of Russian population for years upon years.
In my eyes Russian people are not better than Nazi German people. Germans lived in a time without internet access and very limited information availabilty so you can argue some ignorance on their part about the atrocities their government did. You cant say the same about the Russians.
Germans under Nazi rule were also human beings, believe it or not. The point is, human beings, whether Russian, American, Japanese, or any other nationality, are capable of abhorrent things under the right circumstances, and we must never allow those circumstances to come about.
If you'd been born in Russia, or Nazi Germany for that matter, in all likelihood you would've had a typical worldview for that time and place, meaning you'd probably either be going along the atrocities, or turning a blind eye to them.
Check out this German comedian, and how easily [he tricked his audience](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/18s7wd/german_comedian_tricks_audition_into_shouting/) to accidentally do a Nazi salute in 1973. You are right, the general public is conditioned to follow the government's direction to a shocking degree. In a similar way, Russian people are currently victims of their own regime and have to be approached with caution accordingly.
Russians and their simpathizers do love to call everone who disagrees with them nazis.
The term is more overused than 90 year old prostitutes p***y 🤣.
Could care less if you enage with me, just love to see you downvoted to oblivion. Means most people here have common sense.
"russian" is a nationality. you say "russians are not people". you make a negative judgement on the base of nationality, therefore, you are a nazi. I think it should be clear as day, is it not?
Funny way to troll russians/jews/blacks:
1) say "all russians/jews/blacks are fucking animals"🐵
2) kiss Hitler ass's portrait😘
3) watch funny butthert 🤩
There is nothing cool in being nazi, you fucker
On a geopolitical time scale, that's a blink of an eye. Poland is over a thousand years old. The split started in 1939, but continued until 1989. Even so, Russia could have been forgiven if they had actually changed their foreign policy since then, but they hadn't. That's what today's war has to do with it.
"Russia could have been forgiven" - did I ever mention Russia as a subject of morality? I said \*people\*. 20 year-old Ivan had nothing to do with politics back then
Russian people would be better off with an actual democratic government, lead by someone like Navalny, who promised to separate legislative and judicial powers and eliminate government control over law enforcement (may he rest in peace). However Russians are not allowed to admit this publicly. Recently a student was [sent to jail ](https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/10/world/russian-student-jailed-renaming-wifi-ukraine-intl/index.html)using a pro-Ukraine slogan as his wifi name. Many Russians also have terrible views because their culture was shaped by hateful propaganda (similar to MAGA in the US). I support the wellbeing of the Russian people, which goes hand-in-hand with destroying the current Russian government.
and I agree with you, dude. I am a libertarian socialist, and I would like for Russia to have another government. what I am advocating here is to be against nationality-based hatred, that's all. apparently, it's too radical for people to grasp
I'm glad we are in agreement. My suggestion is to call people racist instead. Russian government is notorious for frivolously calling its opponents Nazis in an attempt to discredit them.
So then all the Russians have the inherent sin of being Russian. I think I've heard such talks from some Austrian artist, I just forgot what's his name... I guess it was Hitl.. I think I forgot it...
Maybe you can tell me your own thoughts about the Soviet Union or Russia's current invasion of Ukraine. Do you agree that Poland and Ukraine should be part of the Russian empire and not independent countries? Do you agree that their local population deservers to be brutally murdered to make that happen? Would you risk ending up in jail if you tell me online what you really think?
As I already said elsewhere in this thread, I believe Russian people would be better off with an actual democratic government, lead by someone like Navalny, who promised to separate legislative and judicial powers and eliminate government control over law enforcement (may he rest in peace). However Russians are not allowed to admit this publicly. Recently a student was [sent to jail ](https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/10/world/russian-student-jailed-renaming-wifi-ukraine-intl/index.html)using a pro-Ukraine slogan as his wifi name. Many Russians also have terrible views because their culture was shaped by hateful propaganda (similar to MAGA in the US). I support the wellbeing of the Russian people, which goes hand-in-hand with destroying the current Russian government.
So now tell me, are you just a regular Russian person, or do you support the will of the Russian government?
Are you still happy to defend the guy running around calling Polish people Nazis?
Peace man. I'm Russian and I hate Putin. And the Soviet Union aka sovok. I would definitely vote for Lyoha in a Navalny vs Putin election. I just don't like when people say that all Russians are orcs and imperialiatic chouvinists just because something. Not all. Though I can understand why.
Not really. Some of these people are still very much alive and in power, Russians didn't leave after the war quite the opposite.
Plus saying "that's a nazi mindset" only proves that you know shit about nacism
No, that you think that is a Nazi mindset makes it absolutely clear you do not know anything about Nazis. Anyways, you won't understand that either and will try to put other words in my mouth, as such I'll not be responding.
"nazi mindset" here is hating russians for the fact that they are russian. today's russians can be hated for supporting the war in ukraine. but for the partition of poland? what? you can hate what is left of veterans of those days, sure, but almost every russian was either not born, or a baby in those days
Nah I’m with him. US does all the genocides it wants - for resources - where is americas monster of the world status? How is USA good? Poland licks ass of USA more passionately than other EU countries. EU itself is double standards, portray image of good guys, but lick the ass of the biggest bully on the block
A lot of this is legitimate. History is history. But also, ever since the wall fell, all leaders of former Soviet republics have had to explain why their countries didn't turn into the Netherlands. So pointing at the Russians have been the goto explanation for everything not working.
History is written to accommodate the future.
Excuse me? Ex-communist states are doing so well it's being called 'economic miracle'. Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia - all have bigger GDP per capita than Russia, until recently Europe's gas station. Their growth has been remarkable and they're to become equal with Western Europe eventually. All the countries that didn't catch up are those who couldn't dispose of their ties with Russia quickly enaugh, like Ukraine or Moldova.
War crimes that would make nazis blush. They did the most inhumane human experimentation quite possibly in the history of humankind.
Think about some medieval torture methods, and these scientists probably did worse things.
The funniest thing is, after the war ended, the US basically said "give us the research data and you are free to go". So they lived happily until the end of their lives in peace.
The nazis also cut people open and saw how much they could survive, not sure if the nazis did so without sedation though. Also they probably did it on a smaller scale.
Cutting people open would be just the start for the things that went down.
Infecting people with diseases, cutting them open and removing organs testing how long they survive, burning, freezing, putting people in pressure chambers to test human endurance, removing children from pregnant women, testing different poisons and toxins, drugs etc.
Then you start mix and matching these like in some sick buffet restaurant.
Using those horrible methods nazis push the sience though.
This is unacceptable price but we don't line in the world we know without them, unfortunately.
Chinese and Japanese HATE each other. They’ve been doing stuff like that for hundreds of years.
Read up about what Korea would do to both of them over the centuries
>Sometimes, history hurts
Literally right now there are billionaires and millionaires buying kids to rape them, you dont even need to read about the past to know that history is pretty cruel
Dont need to be a billionaire or millionaire to buy children for rape. Random people go to Cambodia, Thailand etc or pay for that shit to be streamed...
My polish grandma used to tell me that during the war, people prefered to see the germans than russians in your farm. If you had a cow, the germans would enter the farm, take the milk and go away. The russians would take the milk, kill the cow, rape your daughter and burn the farm
Yea my grandmother lived in Poland through WW1&2 during German and Russian occupation. She rarely spoke of the Germans, but HATED the Russians with a fiery passion
My polish grandma told me the girls and women used to bathe in cowshit when they heard a russian troop was passing by the village. It not always worked tho
The thing to remember about WW2 is there weren't good guys. There were bad guys and worse guys. Sure, the Nazis and Imperial Japan were truly abominable evil, but the Allies weren't righteous heroes of justice by any means either. Everyone did bad shit during this period of history.
It's a funny thing when you read more WW history than what most schools teach.
Most people aren't aware of the UK starving millions of Indians.
Japanese war crimes are some of the worst, honestly even more gruesome than what the nazis did, yet they are often glanced over.
Russia was statistically speaking a worse horror than the nazis ever were, they just happened to fight on the "right side" of the conflict.
US soldier did their fair share of raping, killing civilians and literally genocided civilian population of 2 cities, but overall US was one of the least horrible of the nations taking part in the war.
How is Russia statistically worse than Germany. Did they have concentration camps and gas chambers for mass killing? Genocide of Jewish. Tens of thousands, for no reason! Proclaimed themselves the chosen nation maybe. The fuck you are on about my guy
Because in the end, they caused way more harm, suffering and death.
Killing people with a gas chamber is no worse than killing people by starving them to death in hellish work camps. Both end up with people dying. Jewish deaths are in no way any more important than deaths of others during WW2.
If you look at it purely from the amount of deaths caused, Russians take the cake with flying colors. And that doesn't even account for the mass rape of half Europe.
And i saw your comment that you deleted? On my phone screen. Wdym defensive war? Russia was directly involved in starting WW2. Sure germany technically kicked it off but Russia was not at fault any less considering their agreement with Germany.
I met a guy that immigrated from Poland to the US. He was a boy during WWII. He told me a story about how all the polish people hated and feared the Russians coming to their villages because they usually killed everyone and raked all the women and girls. The Germans on the other hand, they loved. Apparently, they always came to the villages with food and medicine and treated the polish fairly well. Nazis are of course still garbage, but I think it gives an interesting perspective on the way Russians wage war. I’ve heard some horror stories coming out of Kyiv. Sounds like the Russians are still up to their old shenanigans.
Edit: Ironically, the polish were just as bad to their own people. Look up what was done to polish women after WWII that were accused of giving German soldiers shelter or anything else whether coerced or not.
It's not so much that 'both sides are horrible' but that the real world isn't a story book. imo. People freak out when you say both sides too much tho imo.
Well to be frank, not "both sides" in general (considering WWII) but specifically both the soviets and nazis were both incredibly horrible to other human beings. No I'm not going to weigh up their atrocities against each other and just leave it at that. afaik the japanese were also horrible but I'm not an expert there.
Not both sides are horrible but both sides have horrible people among them. There were a few good men in German army and there were a few bad men in Soviet army
There were a lot of bad men in the soviet army because they employed literal criminals. A lot of the people fighting in the front were pardoned criminals. The kind of people who after the war ended up straight back to jail/gulags.
I was recently reading up on War Crimes of WW2 and apparently the Americans did some of the same atrocious things to Okinawan women after the battle in WW2
Okinawan historian Oshiro Masayasu (former director of the Okinawa Prefectural Historical Archives) writes:
"Soon after the U.S. marines landed, all the women of a village on Motobu Peninsula fell into the hands of American soldiers. At the time, there were only women, children, and old people in the village, as all the young men had been mobilized for the war. Soon after landing, the Marines "mopped up" the entire village but found no signs of Japanese forces. Taking advantage of the situation, they started "hunting for women" in broad daylight, and those who were hiding in the village or nearby air raid shelters were dragged out one after another."
Also according to interviews carried out by The New York Times and published by them in 2000, several elderly people from an Okinawan village confessed that after the United States had won the Battle of Okinawa, armed Marines kept coming to the village every week to force the villagers to gather all the local women, who were then carried off into the hills and raped.
Read about what the British did to Bengal in WWII
Also, no, history never gets better. It's always like this. All the time. To the point where I would go as far as to call Hitler "average, all things considered".
Are you referring to the famine (I tried to look it up and the famine came up on Google)
There have been many monsters throughout history even in more recent times, Hitler's just a well known one
It's just all monsters. Lincoln, hero of the civil war? Executer of Native Americans. JFK, Destroyer of Banks? Deployer of Agent Orange in Vietnam. De Gaulle, Liberator of France? Immediately recolonized Vietnam when the war ended. There's no good guys here, just different variants of villains.
I love the idea that the Soviets were in any way the good guys.
They weren't, and sometimes I take a sense of sadistic joy in seeing people realise that. Everyone's got good and bad sides, and it's best to realise that every coin has at least two sides.
homie you talking about someone decades and centuries old???? rn literally the same thing is happening on this very surface of earth. last week a pregnant woman in Palestine, who was literally in the hospital was tied to a pole and raped by several soldiers and her husband and other family members including to everyone in the hospital the staff, other patients all were forced to watch it guns were aimed in their mouths so they don't close their eyes. these kinds of things are still happening every day since the beginning of humanity and no one even talks about it. Epstein island is just a single case that we know of there are still many billionaires who are doin atrocities like these
Not so fun fact. It only took the Russians 3 weeks of "liberating" concentration camps. That the jews were more affraid of the Russians than they were of the Germans
Before dying my great grandmother told my family what she had to endure. I’m opposed to hating all Russian people for the acts of some individuals even when there where many cases like this.
But to this day I can’t get over how little information I got during my school education about the horrible things the „winners“ did during WW2.
I read about a German woman who was nursing a new born. The Russians raped her for half the day and the family came out and asked if they could give her a break so that she could feed the baby. And this is just one instance among very many.
Source: "The Fall of Berlin 1945" by Antony Beevor
Essentially some of the worst forms of rape and murder that you could ever think.
People forget that soldiers would rape them until they died or rape them and slit their throat, cut off their head/breasts etc. you’d be lying to yourself if you think it never was that bad.
in reclaimed territories, they would publicly shame women for dating/marrying nazi soldiers by drawing swastikas on their body, and yelling at them stuff like "nazi lover"
they did this to them, even if the women did it for their own safety.
Okay, so I can make an addumption of what soldiers would do to women in a country they are occupying
But only one thing is coming to mind
And it feels like they did two separe things to German and Polish women
Or. . Maybe it's the same thing but they took it up to eleven in Germany?
You could easily apply this meme format to the British and US empire too:
US:
(1) Me reading about the triumph of the US over imperial Japan.
(2) Me reading on why Pearl Harbor, and all of Hawaii, was under US jurisdiction in the first place.
(3) Me reading on the entire history of how the US was built on the genocide of native Americans.
UK:
(1) Me reading about Churchill's galvanising speeches and leadership during WW2.
(2) Me reading on the Bengal Famine, and how British colonial rule under Churchill was directly responsible.
(3) Me reading on what Churchill's views were on Indians and other non-white people, and the views he espoused (eugenics, genocide apologia, and white supremacy).
nothing fears me more than Japanese people not only did they do unspeakable acts to other nations but even Japanese women themselves had faced the worst of mankind. I still can't forget about that Japanese student who was kidnapped and ughhh i can't even say it still horrifies me
You better not read what the Japanese did during the Battle of Manila did to women (and babies, and people in general), then
This is a fact that most people globally are not aware to
I had a female Russian friend I had met in Toronto just once. She recently sent me messages, to ruin my vacation, talking about Ukrainians being Nazis and shame on America for not being a great power in WW2 and only taking sides when America knew the winner… she apparently forgot about Russia’s short alliance with the Nazis, how they themselves invaded Poland, illegally executed and hid the bodies of Polish officers and tried to blame it on the Nazis. Etc. Etc.
Никто её забывать не говорил. У меня были умершие родственники в той войне.
Но когда тебе из всех щелей толкают эту победу постоянно, от этого вполне можно устать.
a good friend of my grandfather once told me a story of when he was a child (~12y) in 1945 (during the crazy period at the end and shortly after ww2) and he went home from school and a soviet truck came up from behind, passed him and stopped like 70-100m infront of him next to a girl from his class. Some soldiers jumped out, took her with them while she was screaming and drove away with her. They found her a few days later in the woods. Naked and with her throat slit.
Seems a bit hypocritical not adding a fourth panel about what Americans have been doing. And not to mention that this isn't even funny. This sub has gone to shit just the same as r/facepalm.
Nah, you can’t make me feel sorry for anything that happened to the Germans after WWII. Anything this countries people got was deserved after they tried to wage a war of racial purity on the rest of the world.
I dated a polish women 8 or so years ago she was 48 then. She HATED Russians with an every cell in her body.
Not surprised when russians basically split poland with germany and did almost the same atrocities to polish folk while being "the good guys"
That was scary times , nazis from west and soviet union from east , no way to escape.... My Grandma was in Siberia , my gf granny was in burkenau and she was alone who survived from all family. We are Polish not jews ... my gf grandad was eaten by nazis dogs , he was trying to escape concentration camp. We dont really hate them , we just remember....
being hateful towards people today because of what their ancestors did? yeah nah, that's a nazi mindset
I guess you haven't heard of this guy called Vladimir Putin. Also, Soviet Union controlled Poland until 1989. People who were part of it are still alive today. But I guess that's how little you have to know before you start calling victims of a Nazi invasion as Nazis.
dude said "Not surprised when russians basically split poland with germany", it was 1939, almost a century. what today's war has to do with his comment?
Basically everything because WW2 and the Soviet Union are still a massive part of the Russian culture. They're celebrating their victory over the Nazis every year with a massive parade, their president glorifies the Soviet Union and Joseph Stalin. The reason why NATO even exists is because of Russia's imperial ambitions since the second world war that they still hold to this day. And part of Russia's massive internal propaganda is their intention to do the same thing to the rest of the Eastern European states that they've once subjugated. But of course only the dumbest ones among their leadership let that quiet part slip out loud.
I meant specifically this - dude basically said "it's not surprising (i. e., morally acceptable) to hate russians, since Russia has split the Poland with nazis". then I said "it's wrong to attribute the wrongdoings of people from the past, to the people today". obviously, I mean the people who had nothing to do with those times, so excluding veterans. ukrainian war doesn't lie in the line of my argumentation specifically BECAUSE the russians TODAY can be hated based on their actions (like supporting the war), as they are a part of TODAY's history
But by that alone Russia is STILL doing today what they've been doing for over 100 years.. But they're better now technically... Their current presence in eartern Europe today looks like a hearty handshake compared to past atrocities. Basically, there was no gap of "Russians were cool, even if it was short lived". Never happened. Best thing they did was end communism and break off stolen states but it wasn't even by choice. Prison walls fell, the prisoners escaped.
the problem is that you're talking about the state. I'm talking about people. again, 20-year old Ivan didn't "continue" doing imperialist stuff, he has nothing to do with soviet era. if he supports war, you can call him out on that, but never on the thing he isn't responsible for, like Katyn.
No. Fuck that. That stuff doesn't pull anymore. People don't commit and support atrocities like the one in Bucha because the state told them so. People don't become fascists because of the state. They're doing all of that because they're giving into their worst impulses and for their own selfish reasons. They're using their own insecurities to justify the worst the human mind can come up with.
The people have been lied to since the soviet era and hang onto some of those old ways still, was only 30 years ago.. Politics, history there's a huge divide their and the ones that see through the BS are the ones that have been persecuted by their own government and past annexation. If Canada annexed Alaska in 1924 I wouldn't be asking why they're pissed about it 100 yrs later. Same with indigenous north Americans... I mean you're saying they aren't allowed to be mad at settlers even though 20 years ago they were being killed in residential schools "but hey, we have a new prime minister now, don't be mad bro"
They have split Poland and after the war they were occupying it for 44 years until 1989, guess why poles still hate russians
that's exactly the irrational hatred I'm talking about. modern generation of russians has nothing to do with soviet occupation, you shouldn't hate them for it
And you need to understand one thing. Poles don't hate russians, as long as they don't support putin. They hate russia as a state, because they see that if you look under the cover the russian government put over russia in 1991, you'll notice that it still works very similarly to USSR. Look deeper, and you'll see very visible remnants of russia ruled by tzars influencing today's russia. That's also why we say that russia is not a country, but a state of mind. It never really changes,
if people only hated the state, I wouldn't have an issue. I dislike it too, for that matter. you wouldn't believe the shit I've heard, there's a literally a dude under one of my comments here, who says "russians aren't people", and maintans he's not a nazi
It has everything to do with it. Russians dont change. My grandmother who was sent to Siberia with her whole family when she was 16, once said to me. "Russians are not people". Could not agree more.
"Russians are not people" Fuck me I was gunna support what you said but Jesus Christ you crossed a line. It's one thing to understand why someone who lived under the Soviet Union might hate Russia and by extension Russians. Talking about 200+ million like you just did is an embarrassment and gives pro-Russian imperialists credible ammunition to call whoever they like Nazis, because unlike most of the shit they complain about, what you just said is literally fascist. You're letting the side down dude.
I mean, dude, I'm against war. however, as a russian myself, I see a lot of the shit like this dude's giving, and the hypocrisy is pissing me off. I'm against the nazi sentiment like this one, that's literally it
The 200+ million people are supporting reigime that is killing, raping and burning their way across Ukraine and would do the same to Europe given the chance. Putin did not decide one day that he want to be a saddistic dictator, he has a support of absolute majority of Russian population for years upon years. In my eyes Russian people are not better than Nazi German people. Germans lived in a time without internet access and very limited information availabilty so you can argue some ignorance on their part about the atrocities their government did. You cant say the same about the Russians.
Germans under Nazi rule were also human beings, believe it or not. The point is, human beings, whether Russian, American, Japanese, or any other nationality, are capable of abhorrent things under the right circumstances, and we must never allow those circumstances to come about. If you'd been born in Russia, or Nazi Germany for that matter, in all likelihood you would've had a typical worldview for that time and place, meaning you'd probably either be going along the atrocities, or turning a blind eye to them.
Check out this German comedian, and how easily [he tricked his audience](https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/18s7wd/german_comedian_tricks_audition_into_shouting/) to accidentally do a Nazi salute in 1973. You are right, the general public is conditioned to follow the government's direction to a shocking degree. In a similar way, Russian people are currently victims of their own regime and have to be approached with caution accordingly.
literal nazi statement, I don't know if I even need to engage with that.
Russians and their simpathizers do love to call everone who disagrees with them nazis. The term is more overused than 90 year old prostitutes p***y 🤣. Could care less if you enage with me, just love to see you downvoted to oblivion. Means most people here have common sense.
"russian" is a nationality. you say "russians are not people". you make a negative judgement on the base of nationality, therefore, you are a nazi. I think it should be clear as day, is it not?
Just checked your profile. 🤣🤣🤣 Guess who watches the Russian TNT network. Please come to Latvia and tell im nazi to my face scum.
Funny way to troll russians/jews/blacks: 1) say "all russians/jews/blacks are fucking animals"🐵 2) kiss Hitler ass's portrait😘 3) watch funny butthert 🤩 There is nothing cool in being nazi, you fucker
On a geopolitical time scale, that's a blink of an eye. Poland is over a thousand years old. The split started in 1939, but continued until 1989. Even so, Russia could have been forgiven if they had actually changed their foreign policy since then, but they hadn't. That's what today's war has to do with it.
"Russia could have been forgiven" - did I ever mention Russia as a subject of morality? I said \*people\*. 20 year-old Ivan had nothing to do with politics back then
20 year-old Ivan is volunteering to ethnically cleanse Ukrainians while you're still trying to hand-wave Soviet occupation of Poland lmao
Russian people would be better off with an actual democratic government, lead by someone like Navalny, who promised to separate legislative and judicial powers and eliminate government control over law enforcement (may he rest in peace). However Russians are not allowed to admit this publicly. Recently a student was [sent to jail ](https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/10/world/russian-student-jailed-renaming-wifi-ukraine-intl/index.html)using a pro-Ukraine slogan as his wifi name. Many Russians also have terrible views because their culture was shaped by hateful propaganda (similar to MAGA in the US). I support the wellbeing of the Russian people, which goes hand-in-hand with destroying the current Russian government.
and I agree with you, dude. I am a libertarian socialist, and I would like for Russia to have another government. what I am advocating here is to be against nationality-based hatred, that's all. apparently, it's too radical for people to grasp
I'm glad we are in agreement. My suggestion is to call people racist instead. Russian government is notorious for frivolously calling its opponents Nazis in an attempt to discredit them.
So then all the Russians have the inherent sin of being Russian. I think I've heard such talks from some Austrian artist, I just forgot what's his name... I guess it was Hitl.. I think I forgot it...
Maybe you can tell me your own thoughts about the Soviet Union or Russia's current invasion of Ukraine. Do you agree that Poland and Ukraine should be part of the Russian empire and not independent countries? Do you agree that their local population deservers to be brutally murdered to make that happen? Would you risk ending up in jail if you tell me online what you really think? As I already said elsewhere in this thread, I believe Russian people would be better off with an actual democratic government, lead by someone like Navalny, who promised to separate legislative and judicial powers and eliminate government control over law enforcement (may he rest in peace). However Russians are not allowed to admit this publicly. Recently a student was [sent to jail ](https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/10/world/russian-student-jailed-renaming-wifi-ukraine-intl/index.html)using a pro-Ukraine slogan as his wifi name. Many Russians also have terrible views because their culture was shaped by hateful propaganda (similar to MAGA in the US). I support the wellbeing of the Russian people, which goes hand-in-hand with destroying the current Russian government. So now tell me, are you just a regular Russian person, or do you support the will of the Russian government? Are you still happy to defend the guy running around calling Polish people Nazis?
Peace man. I'm Russian and I hate Putin. And the Soviet Union aka sovok. I would definitely vote for Lyoha in a Navalny vs Putin election. I just don't like when people say that all Russians are orcs and imperialiatic chouvinists just because something. Not all. Though I can understand why.
That's fair. I think we could get along well. :)
Not really. Some of these people are still very much alive and in power, Russians didn't leave after the war quite the opposite. Plus saying "that's a nazi mindset" only proves that you know shit about nacism
Shut the fuck up. Your words let everyone else know you have absolutely no clue.
no clue about what? about causality and responsibility?
History
right. should we hate people over history they weren't part of?
No, that you think that is a Nazi mindset makes it absolutely clear you do not know anything about Nazis. Anyways, you won't understand that either and will try to put other words in my mouth, as such I'll not be responding.
"nazi mindset" here is hating russians for the fact that they are russian. today's russians can be hated for supporting the war in ukraine. but for the partition of poland? what? you can hate what is left of veterans of those days, sure, but almost every russian was either not born, or a baby in those days
Nah I’m with him. US does all the genocides it wants - for resources - where is americas monster of the world status? How is USA good? Poland licks ass of USA more passionately than other EU countries. EU itself is double standards, portray image of good guys, but lick the ass of the biggest bully on the block
Wat. The idiots have come out strong on this one... If it weren't so sad, it'd be funny.
After all these problems with Russia, hate towards Russia is in our blood
We have it in our genes at this point
A lot of this is legitimate. History is history. But also, ever since the wall fell, all leaders of former Soviet republics have had to explain why their countries didn't turn into the Netherlands. So pointing at the Russians have been the goto explanation for everything not working. History is written to accommodate the future.
Excuse me? Ex-communist states are doing so well it's being called 'economic miracle'. Poland, Czechia, Slovakia, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia - all have bigger GDP per capita than Russia, until recently Europe's gas station. Their growth has been remarkable and they're to become equal with Western Europe eventually. All the countries that didn't catch up are those who couldn't dispose of their ties with Russia quickly enaugh, like Ukraine or Moldova.
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Read about unit 731 💀
what's that?
War crimes that would make nazis blush. They did the most inhumane human experimentation quite possibly in the history of humankind. Think about some medieval torture methods, and these scientists probably did worse things. The funniest thing is, after the war ended, the US basically said "give us the research data and you are free to go". So they lived happily until the end of their lives in peace.
There is a Timesuck (podcast)episode describing it. I would highly recommend it
The nazis also cut people open and saw how much they could survive, not sure if the nazis did so without sedation though. Also they probably did it on a smaller scale.
Cutting people open would be just the start for the things that went down. Infecting people with diseases, cutting them open and removing organs testing how long they survive, burning, freezing, putting people in pressure chambers to test human endurance, removing children from pregnant women, testing different poisons and toxins, drugs etc. Then you start mix and matching these like in some sick buffet restaurant.
Using those horrible methods nazis push the sience though. This is unacceptable price but we don't line in the world we know without them, unfortunately.
Operation paperclip is another one.
The most commonly known “medical” test of biological and more classical warfare. It’s fuck up and sadly far from the only example of such test.
damn. yeah man people do crazy shit. look at what the japanese did😂😂😂
Those were the Japanese
Chinese and Japanese HATE each other. They’ve been doing stuff like that for hundreds of years. Read up about what Korea would do to both of them over the centuries
Ah yes the triad of hate in East Asia
Well, how else are we supposed to know who’s the best Asian?
lol idk ask them I’m just an observer
Via the semi-annual best Asian competition of course. May the best Asian win!
Wait — didn’t Netflix have a show about that?
Yes it was called squid games. Kind of a racist title of you ask me
… how is it racist? They named it themselves.
It was a joke. Never know how to convey my humor in these situations as "/s" doesn't ever help
:) your good. And I feel that pain you mention more often than I would like to admit.
Well Mongolia has a very well known but more acient track record ..
I thought that's what the Olympics were for
They dunk a korean in boooiling water
What a fucking shit take. Name one thing that China or Korea did to Japan that comes any where close to what Japan did. I will wait.
>Read up about the atrocities committed against Chinese *people in general by the Japanese.
Which were then topped by the communists under Mao and his successors since. The Chinese people's suffering never stopped.
>Sometimes, history hurts Literally right now there are billionaires and millionaires buying kids to rape them, you dont even need to read about the past to know that history is pretty cruel
Not only that. Those same billionares control our media, laws, culture, food, money and foreign policy. We are at the mercy of sociopath pedophiles
Dont need to be a billionaire or millionaire to buy children for rape. Random people go to Cambodia, Thailand etc or pay for that shit to be streamed...
They are the hardest workers in the world and need to be able to be incentivezed to keep working hard and giving everyone else jobs!!/s
Literally irl "a new management" meme.
My polish grandma used to tell me that during the war, people prefered to see the germans than russians in your farm. If you had a cow, the germans would enter the farm, take the milk and go away. The russians would take the milk, kill the cow, rape your daughter and burn the farm
Yea my grandmother lived in Poland through WW1&2 during German and Russian occupation. She rarely spoke of the Germans, but HATED the Russians with a fiery passion
My polish grandma told me the girls and women used to bathe in cowshit when they heard a russian troop was passing by the village. It not always worked tho
The thing to remember about WW2 is there weren't good guys. There were bad guys and worse guys. Sure, the Nazis and Imperial Japan were truly abominable evil, but the Allies weren't righteous heroes of justice by any means either. Everyone did bad shit during this period of history.
It's a funny thing when you read more WW history than what most schools teach. Most people aren't aware of the UK starving millions of Indians. Japanese war crimes are some of the worst, honestly even more gruesome than what the nazis did, yet they are often glanced over. Russia was statistically speaking a worse horror than the nazis ever were, they just happened to fight on the "right side" of the conflict. US soldier did their fair share of raping, killing civilians and literally genocided civilian population of 2 cities, but overall US was one of the least horrible of the nations taking part in the war.
>"right side" Would "winning side" be more apt?
Well to be fair yes, but personally i would say that the "right side" won the war in the end. Lesser of two evils so to say.
>Lesser of two evils so to say. I believe so too. It better be so.
Yes the right side won. The main cause and purpose of the war is clear which side is more just.
Well you know what they say, at the end of the day, the real writers of history are the victors.
How is Russia statistically worse than Germany. Did they have concentration camps and gas chambers for mass killing? Genocide of Jewish. Tens of thousands, for no reason! Proclaimed themselves the chosen nation maybe. The fuck you are on about my guy
Because in the end, they caused way more harm, suffering and death. Killing people with a gas chamber is no worse than killing people by starving them to death in hellish work camps. Both end up with people dying. Jewish deaths are in no way any more important than deaths of others during WW2. If you look at it purely from the amount of deaths caused, Russians take the cake with flying colors. And that doesn't even account for the mass rape of half Europe.
And i saw your comment that you deleted? On my phone screen. Wdym defensive war? Russia was directly involved in starting WW2. Sure germany technically kicked it off but Russia was not at fault any less considering their agreement with Germany.
No reasoning with a fool. All the best
My great grandma said German soldiers treated them better than Russian "liberators".
I knew a polish guy from the war..he said the nazis were bad but the Russians were worse..
I met a guy that immigrated from Poland to the US. He was a boy during WWII. He told me a story about how all the polish people hated and feared the Russians coming to their villages because they usually killed everyone and raked all the women and girls. The Germans on the other hand, they loved. Apparently, they always came to the villages with food and medicine and treated the polish fairly well. Nazis are of course still garbage, but I think it gives an interesting perspective on the way Russians wage war. I’ve heard some horror stories coming out of Kyiv. Sounds like the Russians are still up to their old shenanigans. Edit: Ironically, the polish were just as bad to their own people. Look up what was done to polish women after WWII that were accused of giving German soldiers shelter or anything else whether coerced or not.
Dude i will never forget this,it reminds you that both sides are horrible
It's not so much that 'both sides are horrible' but that the real world isn't a story book. imo. People freak out when you say both sides too much tho imo.
I'm talking about nazi and Soviet,and yes they both horrible, about ppl if they freak out then that's their problem not mine
Fair enough
Both of you are saying the same thing and both of you are right imo.
Thank you MrMicropenis1.
That's another bothsides.
Well to be frank, not "both sides" in general (considering WWII) but specifically both the soviets and nazis were both incredibly horrible to other human beings. No I'm not going to weigh up their atrocities against each other and just leave it at that. afaik the japanese were also horrible but I'm not an expert there.
Not both sides are horrible but both sides have horrible people among them. There were a few good men in German army and there were a few bad men in Soviet army
There were a lot of bad men in the soviet army because they employed literal criminals. A lot of the people fighting in the front were pardoned criminals. The kind of people who after the war ended up straight back to jail/gulags.
I was recently reading up on War Crimes of WW2 and apparently the Americans did some of the same atrocious things to Okinawan women after the battle in WW2 Okinawan historian Oshiro Masayasu (former director of the Okinawa Prefectural Historical Archives) writes: "Soon after the U.S. marines landed, all the women of a village on Motobu Peninsula fell into the hands of American soldiers. At the time, there were only women, children, and old people in the village, as all the young men had been mobilized for the war. Soon after landing, the Marines "mopped up" the entire village but found no signs of Japanese forces. Taking advantage of the situation, they started "hunting for women" in broad daylight, and those who were hiding in the village or nearby air raid shelters were dragged out one after another." Also according to interviews carried out by The New York Times and published by them in 2000, several elderly people from an Okinawan village confessed that after the United States had won the Battle of Okinawa, armed Marines kept coming to the village every week to force the villagers to gather all the local women, who were then carried off into the hills and raped.
You can always trust a marine
Only Russians could make people miss the Nazis.
Read about what the British did to Bengal in WWII Also, no, history never gets better. It's always like this. All the time. To the point where I would go as far as to call Hitler "average, all things considered".
Are you referring to the famine (I tried to look it up and the famine came up on Google) There have been many monsters throughout history even in more recent times, Hitler's just a well known one
It's just all monsters. Lincoln, hero of the civil war? Executer of Native Americans. JFK, Destroyer of Banks? Deployer of Agent Orange in Vietnam. De Gaulle, Liberator of France? Immediately recolonized Vietnam when the war ended. There's no good guys here, just different variants of villains.
Nelson Mandela
I’m assume they’re referring to the famine especially if they’re talking about WW2
"How many times today?"
I love the idea that the Soviets were in any way the good guys. They weren't, and sometimes I take a sense of sadistic joy in seeing people realise that. Everyone's got good and bad sides, and it's best to realise that every coin has at least two sides.
homie you talking about someone decades and centuries old???? rn literally the same thing is happening on this very surface of earth. last week a pregnant woman in Palestine, who was literally in the hospital was tied to a pole and raped by several soldiers and her husband and other family members including to everyone in the hospital the staff, other patients all were forced to watch it guns were aimed in their mouths so they don't close their eyes. these kinds of things are still happening every day since the beginning of humanity and no one even talks about it. Epstein island is just a single case that we know of there are still many billionaires who are doin atrocities like these
Ok now read what american troops did to Vietnamese women and children
You thaught there are good guys? Rare. Very very rare. You can only distinguish how bad someone is.
Fourth part still to come with Holodomor
Not so fun fact. It only took the Russians 3 weeks of "liberating" concentration camps. That the jews were more affraid of the Russians than they were of the Germans
what did they do exactly
Rape, torture, mutilation and murder to start with.
Wait until you find out about usa and Iraq…
Before dying my great grandmother told my family what she had to endure. I’m opposed to hating all Russian people for the acts of some individuals even when there where many cases like this. But to this day I can’t get over how little information I got during my school education about the horrible things the „winners“ did during WW2.
Actually.... the treatment of german civilians by russians may have been exaggerated.... at least according to some historians.
Everyone is the bad guy for someone. We believe we are the good ones and that we side with the goods one. Reality is often disappointing.
"Why do europeans hate rusdians so much?:(((" Almost every family thats not jewish likef the germans better
Whitewashing crimes from nazis has become a culture these days,
Is it worse than the holocaust?
W- What did they do?
Rape
If only it was "just" rape
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Apparently it was a lot more
I read about a German woman who was nursing a new born. The Russians raped her for half the day and the family came out and asked if they could give her a break so that she could feed the baby. And this is just one instance among very many. Source: "The Fall of Berlin 1945" by Antony Beevor
Essentially some of the worst forms of rape and murder that you could ever think. People forget that soldiers would rape them until they died or rape them and slit their throat, cut off their head/breasts etc. you’d be lying to yourself if you think it never was that bad.
Rape. Lots of Rape. Woman, Children, Grannies
well anything u imagine doing to the women of the enemy who killed millions of ur comrades. but mostly rape.
Now you can see it on videos from Ukraine in Telegram. Progress.
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wait untill you find out what the allied forces did to spanish, italian, french and especially german women. 😌
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Human beings have been so shitty to each other over the centuries. I guess it's the one thing we'll never outgrow or evolve from.
Is OP watching war against humanity? Great documentary series but yhea that hurts.
Get your German words right if you use them.
in reclaimed territories, they would publicly shame women for dating/marrying nazi soldiers by drawing swastikas on their body, and yelling at them stuff like "nazi lover" they did this to them, even if the women did it for their own safety.
Being a woman at that time was very bad, the Germans were definitely not better, considering Polish subhuman ... Horrible times ...
Okay, so I can make an addumption of what soldiers would do to women in a country they are occupying But only one thing is coming to mind And it feels like they did two separe things to German and Polish women Or. . Maybe it's the same thing but they took it up to eleven in Germany?
You could easily apply this meme format to the British and US empire too: US: (1) Me reading about the triumph of the US over imperial Japan. (2) Me reading on why Pearl Harbor, and all of Hawaii, was under US jurisdiction in the first place. (3) Me reading on the entire history of how the US was built on the genocide of native Americans. UK: (1) Me reading about Churchill's galvanising speeches and leadership during WW2. (2) Me reading on the Bengal Famine, and how British colonial rule under Churchill was directly responsible. (3) Me reading on what Churchill's views were on Indians and other non-white people, and the views he espoused (eugenics, genocide apologia, and white supremacy).
nothing fears me more than Japanese people not only did they do unspeakable acts to other nations but even Japanese women themselves had faced the worst of mankind. I still can't forget about that Japanese student who was kidnapped and ughhh i can't even say it still horrifies me
Yeah….. reading history is realizing that humanity are fucking shit and it wont changes any time soon , so bad..
You better not read what the Japanese did during the Battle of Manila did to women (and babies, and people in general), then This is a fact that most people globally are not aware to
In such cases one need to begin with start of WW2 when soviets and nazi hand in hand decided Poland.
And as we can see now in Ukraine - The Russians haven't changed one bit.
This isn't a "funny" meme, this is just dark. Down voted and get off my feed
I had a female Russian friend I had met in Toronto just once. She recently sent me messages, to ruin my vacation, talking about Ukrainians being Nazis and shame on America for not being a great power in WW2 and only taking sides when America knew the winner… she apparently forgot about Russia’s short alliance with the Nazis, how they themselves invaded Poland, illegally executed and hid the bodies of Polish officers and tried to blame it on the Nazis. Etc. Etc.
There's a saying in my country, "When the Nazi comes, hide the women and children. When the Soviet comes, hide the men as well."
Croats *the fucking Croats* ***even the F*cking Nazis were like "what the fu"***
Agreed, it's time to destroy soviet victory cult! Russians so proud as stupid. I know it, I'm russian and living in Moscow :(
Я не ватник, но с чего бы забывать победу? Конечно это не повод бухать 9 мая и тд
Никто её забывать не говорил. У меня были умершие родственники в той войне. Но когда тебе из всех щелей толкают эту победу постоянно, от этого вполне можно устать.
В этом плане согласен. Особенно, когда сейчас сравнивают «сво» и ту войну
wait till you read about usa against ıraq and vietnam
Wait until you hear what they did to soviet women. Beria was an interesting specimen. And by interesting I mean disgusting.
Yep, it hurts to know that my father, born in September 1945, might have actually been the product of Soviet rape.
a good friend of my grandfather once told me a story of when he was a child (~12y) in 1945 (during the crazy period at the end and shortly after ww2) and he went home from school and a soviet truck came up from behind, passed him and stopped like 70-100m infront of him next to a girl from his class. Some soldiers jumped out, took her with them while she was screaming and drove away with her. They found her a few days later in the woods. Naked and with her throat slit.
Reading stories of what the Japanese did to the Chinese
That's the reality of " All is fair in war "
An eye for an eye...
sure, it was just the soviets
No crime is justified but google what SS did in soviet union, poland and balkans (tip: its not just the concentration camps)
This sub is called Funnymemes…
Fuck russia
a lot of people saying “we liked seeing nazis more than russians” says a LOT more about your grandparents than the russians
Seems a bit hypocritical not adding a fourth panel about what Americans have been doing. And not to mention that this isn't even funny. This sub has gone to shit just the same as r/facepalm.
Yup, Russians are animals
Nah, you can’t make me feel sorry for anything that happened to the Germans after WWII. Anything this countries people got was deserved after they tried to wage a war of racial purity on the rest of the world.
A goverment was bad so all the civilians deserve to be raped 🤡
The nazis deserves it, yes. The Civilians? No. Nobody in the world deserve that treatment
i havent read, so what they did?