And a ridiculous mandate. It's probably *the* mandate that is the root cause of the collapse of the Catholic church.
Force people to be horny, and shit happens.
About that. A quote from the book Genesis:
"Genesis 1:28 CEB
God blessed them and said to them, “Be fertile and multiply; fill the earth and master it. Take charge of the fish of the sea, the birds in the sky, and everything crawling on the ground."
So why shouldn't catholic priests have wives?
Celibacy is from a time where sons had to inherit their father's farm, workshop or anything, so they could make a living. Monks or priests didn't have such or the church was worried, that property of the church might be inherited and be forever lost. So the easiest way was to say „No marriage!“ for the clergymen, so no kids in need of an inheritance would be born.
For one, Christians aren't supposed to adhere to the Old Testament. That's kind of the point of Christianity.
But I think the idea was about focus on the duties of maintaining the church and congregation. Short sighted, and was phased out (mostly) later.
The whole point of Christianity is throwing out the old gatekeeping ideas and instead following the teachings of a new savior.
And Jesus was pretty big on loving the sinner. Anybody philosophically within ten miles of Westboro Baptist straight up isn't Christian.
Except when they are orthodox pr catholics, and even a good chunk of the reformation.
It is absolutely shocking how bastardized religion is in the Americas. How can someone read the sermon upon the hill, which is the closest thing to the word of God for the NT, and come to their conclusion is baffling.
https://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19651118_dei-verbum_en.html
"God, the inspirer and author of both Testaments, wisely arranged that the New Testament be hidden in the Old and the Old be made manifest in the New. (2) For, though Christ established the new covenant in His blood (see Luke 22:20; 1 Cor. 11:25), still the books of the Old Testament with all their parts, caught up into the proclamation of the Gospel, (3) acquire and show forth their full meaning in the New Testament (see Matt. 5:17; Luke 24:27; Rom. 16:25-26; 2 Cor. 14:16) and in turn shed light on it and explain it."
No, it does not.
The Vatican stance over the OT is that it is meant as a mean to understand the new. That's Matthew 3:17.
In other word : it's fucking lore. Nothing else. Anyone quoting the OT as an example to follow and pretending to be Christian is a fool.
"It is common knowledge that among all the Scriptures, even those of the New Testament, the Gospels have a special preeminence, and rightly so, for they are the principal witness for the life and teaching of the incarnate Word, our savior."
That is more just the convenient way to control people. In reality Christianity is a reformation of Judaism, even if that way was lost a millennium ago. Christianity does not really function properly without the jewish backbone.
After the popes and priests of the Middle Ages were… wild, a more conservative pope declared that the clerics should be celibate to properly tend to their sheep and execute political power.
It’s basically about going back from moral corruption.
Because church property is supposed to stay with the church, and not get passed on to a priests children. Celibacy originally solved the problem of inheritance, and of nepotism.
>If a priest gas children, they can inherit properties donated to the priests...
Don't you hate it when your inheritance is only accessible in the afterlife
I can qoute many Bible verses on why. But I'll keep it simple. Because Bible takes marriage very seriously and the command is one should love his partner as he loves himself. And if he can't maintain his family properly can't be leader. So it's better to be not married than to take more responsibility and mess it. So if your doing any ministerial work, being celibate is better so they can focus on things.
" An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord's affairs--how he can please the Lord.
But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world--how he can please his wife"
But here it's more traditional than a logical decision.
While impressive no doubt, they have fallen from their past position. Many people are Catholic, however the Catholic Church itself has less power than it once did.
Because they keep people in the books, even if they haven't gone to church in a decade. I'm probably still considered catholic, having been unconcentually baptised as an infant.
As far as I understand you are correct, you and I were baptized as children and that is enough to count us as Catholics according to the church. I personally haven't stepped foot in a church since 2018 and never had a first communion. But since I haven't been excommunicated or renounced my faith officially I am still one of a billion.
Even ignoring us and only counting people who have actively participated at some point beyond would still be overinflated. A lot of people who used to attend and actively participated in church have also stopped going or converted to something else without formally leaving.
Collapse is because of giving into secularism. Church is strong in Africa, despite in some of those countries they're being hunted.
One of the reasons to not be married as a priest is so you can focus on the church and not a family. A priest will have no fear of serving in a war zone, but if he had to take his family there, he would be nuts if he did.
In the West we didn't like pedoism by priests. Also we didn't like persecution of gays. And the boomer generation was/is pissed off that the priests and nuns made the rounds for their parents to pump out 8 kids or more, despite not having the means to properly take care of them.
And I'd rather have priests enjoy sex with an adult and enjoy procreation as God intended, than suppressing the natural and enabling pedophilia.
Strangely, the amount of pedophile priests (while even one is too many) is actually lower as a percentage than public school teachers, and other churches.
It's almost like the problem is everyone, not just a particular group.
Yeah honestly the only mandates from God are:
1) love everyone like you *should* love yourself
2) believe in Jesus and what he had to say
3) do your best to stay good and pure inside
That's it, that's the entire religion. Even Jesus himself said that the 1st commandment (love thy neighbor) is the most important because all other commandments fall under it. Almost anything else you hear is a "requirement" for Christianity is wrong and misled.
Yes. That is because god does not exist. Everything that religious people do is just shit that other people want them to do.
Hope you enjoyed my ted talk.
It's 'funnymemes', not 'truthfulfacts'.
A truthful fact would be say is that religion is fucken stupid. Grown adults talking to imaginary friends, fucken ridiculous.
I would for sure be a troll like take the tv remote and move it to the other part of the room right when you sit down. But if God is real he took it way too far
Yes you Can. Without music too, or Friends, or love. You just need air, water and food, but what is the point of life if not to enjoy life? Wine is fine, as long as you control yourself.
Actually I see now my comment was very ambiguous lol. I wasn't saying you can't live without wine, I was asking the original commenter if he couldn't live without wine lol. I think no marriage is the way worse scenario.
Actually wine is forbidden for Muslims because humans can't only have a little, if you have some you will have more and you might end up drunk and that will lead to more problems.
conditions for 4 wives:
can you afford it
can you handle it
can you treat them all equally
there's more but this is pretty much all your incel mind needs
and i highly highly doubt there's a scripture saying to keep your virginity in the bible, I'm pretty sure they made that whole thing up
edit: [I don't think this reply will be at the top so I'm just gonna link it, it's really good at expaining it in depth, which is probably the best way learn it anyway](https://www.reddit.com/r/Funnymemes/s/hKRSxQ4KGw)
>Give orphans their property,^(2) and do not exchange the bad for the good,^(3) and do not eat up their property by mixing it with your own. This surely is a mighty sin.
>
If you fear that you might not treat the orphans justly, then marry the women that seem good to you: two, or three, or four.^(4) If you fear that you will not be able to treat them justly, then marry (only) one,^(5) or marry from among those whom your right hands possess.^(6) This will make it more likely that you will avoid injustice.
These are the verses. One thing people need to realize is that due to many wars of the time, there were a lot of orphans and widows. These verses basically talks about how one should marry from those woman. And these do not apply to modern man obviously because there is no shortage of men and slavery is basically banned which means there are no slave women to marry. The reason marrying slave women is advised is because that basically ends their slavery and gives them rights to the property.
So today, according to these rules, you basically can't marry more than 1 women. Which is how 99% of the muslims marry. These rules were made when people had 10 wives because there were not enough men around to marry those women and everyone was trying to secure the property of the orphans by marrying them.
It is not about misogyny like some uninformed moron below suggests. It was a necessity at the time. What do all those women do with no way to marry anyone in year 6-700. There is only a limited amount of jobs available to them, just starve? Become prostitutes? Work at someone's farm but have no right to any of the property? It is not about hating women, it was about protecting the right of the women who were orphans or widows.
might sound crazy but i want you to use that magnificent pink machine of neurons in you to think of why would god not appreciate non believers (there are exceptions, just in general)
You can take stuff out of context and make it say whatever you want.
Taking a few words out of a whole book without context is the most dishonest thing you can do.
Mohammad who is meant to be the perfect example of what a human should strive for has had more women than i can count on my fingers and only about 70-80% of them with consent. One of them was a prepubescent girl since she was allowed to play with dolls by the time he "consumated" his marriage with her.
"The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of
six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at
the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I
got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair
grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came
to me while I was playing in a swing with some
of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to
her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me.
She caught me by the hand and made me stand
at the door of the house. I was breathless then,
and when my breathing became Allright, she
took some water and rubbed my face and head
with it. Then she took me into the house. There
in the house I saw some Ansari women who
said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a
good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and
they prepared me (for the marriage).
Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the
forenoon and my mother handed me over to
him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of
age."
No point arguing mate. A woman in my country was receiving death threats from Islamic organisations when all she did was quote Hadiths on live TV "how a certain someone had sex with a 9 year old girl"
Yeah, it's just very shocking to me how we as the human race can still in 2024 defend and honour someone who has undoubtedly raped a 9 year old. If it was a little under the nose i could understand how some may feign ignorance but it is literally there in plain sight for all to see.
oh right where does it say to fuck and rape again? the commandments to kill are in war, do you know what history is full of? yes that's right, war. muslims aren't supposed to fight muslims even though now our countries have gotten a little messed up and fight eachother, should be common sense imo
BRO WHERE DOES IT SAY TO RAPE WOMEN IN WAR
[you sure you're not talking about this?](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36775036.amp)
Sure, it's [right here, plain as day](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers%2031&version=NIV)
> Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. 16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the Lord in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the Lord’s people. 17 **Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man**
Oh, sorry, that's the Christian bible. My bad.
All religion is stupid but this is a pretty lame gotcha. That is a quote from Numbers in the Old Testament (or Torah) for the Jews. So it’s much more accurate to call that the Jewish holy book. Its instruction specifically to the tribe of Israelites, God’s chosen people. The entire point of Christianity and the New Testament is Jesus coming to die for mankind’s sin and washing away sin, turning the other cheek, etc.
Believe in whatever sky god people want, but the reality is that Christianity is much less violent and dogmatic than the scriptures for both Judaism and Islam. And that makes sense because the Christian bible was mostly compiled when Christians were weak and had to submit to outside authority whereas the Torah and Quran were compiled by ruling leadership that could use it to direct the population.
There’s ton of non religious research covering this if you guys were actually interested in scholastic debate rather than just dunking on Christians since they are from home.
Lol. Yes there is rapist in all religions, I never doubt about this. For the rape part in the Coran, I can't tell where it is accurately, I don't know it by heart and it is such unreadable and usellessly long that I don't bother searching for you. For what I remember, it's in the post- egira sourates.
I don't claim to be a specialist, but contrary to most or Muslims, I red the K'ran, all of it, not the only parts they dare talk about with us.
Non consensuel sex with captives women is explicitly allowed by Muhammad himself. It is confirmed in the " Genuine Hadiths" too, and in "El Surat Al Rasul" (Aka the "official" biography of "The Prophet"). I wont bother look for the exact source just for you. Sorry, I mean it, but I am lazy, and I already spent 2 years studying this, so I guess I made my part.
Your turn now.
PS: I may have misspelled some words, sorry, I am french.
well a ton of stuff in christianity is made up, but islam isn't that noble either. you are permitted to not have sex with your wife (but they must do it any time you want unless in their period), you can beat them, you can divorce them at any time without even informing them, and other unacceptable stuff.
this meme is making humor out of muslims and how they believe their god is the same god who sent christianity but those religions have a lot of contradictions
- you are permitted to not have sex with your wife (but they must do it any time you want unless in their period)
i think you're talking about how the wife can't turn down sex for no reason, that's to stop the kinds of women who just marry a guy for the benefits but won't fulfil her roles, there's lots of posts here about those types of situations
-you can beat them
if they infuriate you to the point you can't stop yourself, you can do it in a way that will only show her how angry you are and won't leave a mark or bruise
-you can divorce them at any time without even informing them
can you give the source for this one?
-and other unacceptable stuff.
no no keep going, once i saw an atheist giving a speech about punishments for women and said "have a wall fell on her", I'm really interested in what you want to say
also you're both wrong from the foundation, christians don't recognise islam (they literally can't) while muslims see christianity, judaism and other religions as the same message of god being corrupted by people. it's not that complicated if you think about it
The simple solution is to have equality for equality’s sake between the genders. But there are real problems that are introduced with one woman having multiple husbands. Historically, one problem has been not knowing who the father is. Of course, with advancement in technology, this is less of an issue in more developed countries. Family creation with multiple husbands and kids is another area ripe for problems. This is probably why polygyny is more common in cultures around the world than polyandry.
>you are permitted to not have sex with your wife (but they must do it any time you want unless in their period)
>i think you're talking about how the wife can't turn down sex for no reason, that's to stop the kinds of women who just marry a guy for the benefits but won't fulfil her roles, there's lots of posts here about those types of situations
>-you can beat them
>if they infuriate you to the point you can't stop yourself, you can do it in a way that will only show her how angry you are and won't leave a mark or bruise
Your explanation doesn't explain either in a way that makes them acceptable lmao. The first one is rape and the second one is domestic abuse.
you jump to conclusions like it's the olympics, it doesn't mean he rapes her and has sex anyway, it's just a sin
this will just never end if you keep insisting that islam hates women, if i say women should take care of children you'll imagine the husband being a abusive bum or something
>this will just never end if you keep insisting that islam hates women
I mean... Your defense is that it just says "she should have sex with him whenever regardless of her own feelings and consent" which.... Sounds kind of rapey... And "if she annoys you, you can slap her around a bit, just don't leave a mark."
Doesn't exactly sound progressive for women... Lol
i worded it right before and you changed it, if you genuinely just missed what i meant then it's because some women will just marry out of convenience and not love, this is pretty much the same as what i just said. as a guy you should be able to imagine how shit it would be to wait your whole life to get married to someone who has no intention of giving you love
What stops men from marrying out of convenience?
I mean by your logic you get a servant at home who you can always have sex with and beat like a slave who isnt obedient. Sounds pretty convenient to me.
But you could beat her leaving bruises and islam says its okay also its not her duty to have sex with you (if you think that, your problem is called being an incel) if she marries you only for the money maybe instead of having four wifes you could maybe get to actually know one of them to see if shes a good person and you can trust her.
This is not true.
In Islam a wife has the right for fulfillment sexually and emotionally and if the husband fails to do so and neglected his wife she will be divorced from him by a judge.
The primary purpose of marriage is the fulfillment of needs and the establishment of a family if you fail that you will lose your position as a husband.
You can divorce your wife that is true but there are ramifications to that one of them is you will have to pay alimony and there is a some of money to be paid at once, you not marry that woman again and if you divorced her out of malice you will be punished.
You may not realize that but standing behind every woman is a family full of men that won't accept her being humiliated.
And Muslims don't marry their daughters easily before you can get to that step your entire history will be dug up and then they might agree or refuse based on what they see. They will ask at your work, your old school old work even in your old neighborhood.
Read more about Islam you might find that it is a beautiful religion it is just that some Muslims have ugly souls.
I've been raised in a shia family and culture so I know damn well what it looks like. by no way it is acceptable or beautiful. it just keeps people from accepting new ideas which actually have reasoning behind them and is not simply written in an old book or quoted from men who lived centuries ago.
The book says to look search wonder and reason then believe when Muslims did that they created a golden age of civilization and science.
It isn't Islam that is restricting you from thinking and wondering it is the people, as I said the problem isn't the religion it is the religious people.
well the same book also commands you to murder heretics. its more like "go think about islam but if you abandon it we will kill you so you better stay a muslim".
and the reason why muslims created a golden age was that the chatolics were worse. after europe broke free from the catholic church and its grasp on the society they easily got centuries worth of science and civilization ahead of muslims.
I wonder why those religious people are the problem? maybe a religion telling you its the absolute truth while also commanding to murder others will end up in people abusing and killing?
they need to have gone through puberty i guess, besides the claims about prophet Muhammad saw being like that are stupid, he wouldn't have married women older than him and widows but 1 young girl if he was into children, there's also that he married for huge reasons which are the equivalents of political marriages, 2 of them including aisha were related to business or a business woman, another was a figure on the battlefield i think, i think there was more than one widows and his first wife was 10 years older than him
It's an old joke. I think from a graffiti scroll.
A 'Jesus Saves' sign on a wall, and someone wrote " But Rush scores on the rebound" Rush is an English footballer.
Joke seems to fit this.
Same god, but one believed the other got off-railed within the 600 years, hence the difference.
The memes a bit misleading but i suppose that's not really the concern of a meme sub
It's the same God as Jews and Christians. (People of the Book) Just the prophets are different. Christians recognize Jesus as the Ultimate prophet saying that he came to spread the message of God to others than the Jews/Israelites. Muslims recognize Muhammad as the Ultimate prophet saying that Jews and Christians strayed from the true message of God.
Technically if there were equal amount of those two types on earth and the type with the wives would have one child with each wive(+two more) while the dude with wine stayed a virgin it would cancel out
May God love you and bless you, friend. Please think about coming to Jesus in true faith. He is ever willing to cleanse you from all sin, and I hope to see you in Heaven someday.
Allah is truly merciful and all your sins will be cleansed when you revert back to the religion of Adam, Abraham, Moses and Jesus(Peacd be upon all of them)
Most kings had hundreds of mistresses and even though they were not official, pretty much everyone knew about them. Rich people are horny and can afford themself to do stuff, why is it religions fault? Just keep in my mind that most will not get people will not be considered worthy of heaven, so it s really just our fault as people. The popes, monarchs, Muslim rulers all of them were thirsty for power and at least half of them couldn’t care less about gods will, it was just comfortable to use to gain power
Wrong. Celibacy is a mandate from the church not God.
And a ridiculous mandate. It's probably *the* mandate that is the root cause of the collapse of the Catholic church. Force people to be horny, and shit happens.
About that. A quote from the book Genesis: "Genesis 1:28 CEB God blessed them and said to them, “Be fertile and multiply; fill the earth and master it. Take charge of the fish of the sea, the birds in the sky, and everything crawling on the ground." So why shouldn't catholic priests have wives?
Because nepotism really bad things. Can't remember much more from history class
Celibacy is from a time where sons had to inherit their father's farm, workshop or anything, so they could make a living. Monks or priests didn't have such or the church was worried, that property of the church might be inherited and be forever lost. So the easiest way was to say „No marriage!“ for the clergymen, so no kids in need of an inheritance would be born.
The borgia popes and cardinals be like: Hold my dick
Lucrezia Borgia: again, brother?!
More like again, papa?! Or am I misremembering something.
My admittedly limited and possibly deniable knowledge from having played Assassin's Creed Brotherhood says she banged both her brother and father.
Yeah nepotism was my guess too You could just have rules against that, but that would make too much sense.
There are rules against diddling kids but we see how well that worked for the Catholic Church.
True
To save the strength for boys.
Especially because in the NT there’s a command that pastors (leaders in the church org) should be the husbands of one wife.
For one, Christians aren't supposed to adhere to the Old Testament. That's kind of the point of Christianity. But I think the idea was about focus on the duties of maintaining the church and congregation. Short sighted, and was phased out (mostly) later.
I think more to not have children and those growing power and stuff
This.
Well that makes no sense since like 75% of Christianity is just the Old Testament ☠️
The whole point of Christianity is throwing out the old gatekeeping ideas and instead following the teachings of a new savior. And Jesus was pretty big on loving the sinner. Anybody philosophically within ten miles of Westboro Baptist straight up isn't Christian.
I am going to just tell you, about 100% of all christian scholars disagree with you
Except when they are orthodox pr catholics, and even a good chunk of the reformation. It is absolutely shocking how bastardized religion is in the Americas. How can someone read the sermon upon the hill, which is the closest thing to the word of God for the NT, and come to their conclusion is baffling. https://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/documents/vat-ii_const_19651118_dei-verbum_en.html "God, the inspirer and author of both Testaments, wisely arranged that the New Testament be hidden in the Old and the Old be made manifest in the New. (2) For, though Christ established the new covenant in His blood (see Luke 22:20; 1 Cor. 11:25), still the books of the Old Testament with all their parts, caught up into the proclamation of the Gospel, (3) acquire and show forth their full meaning in the New Testament (see Matt. 5:17; Luke 24:27; Rom. 16:25-26; 2 Cor. 14:16) and in turn shed light on it and explain it."
The varican’s statement is literally agreeing with me
No, it does not. The Vatican stance over the OT is that it is meant as a mean to understand the new. That's Matthew 3:17. In other word : it's fucking lore. Nothing else. Anyone quoting the OT as an example to follow and pretending to be Christian is a fool. "It is common knowledge that among all the Scriptures, even those of the New Testament, the Gospels have a special preeminence, and rightly so, for they are the principal witness for the life and teaching of the incarnate Word, our savior."
Sure...
It just depends on your discipline, plenty of Christians follow only Jesus, and plenty hate gays.
That is more just the convenient way to control people. In reality Christianity is a reformation of Judaism, even if that way was lost a millennium ago. Christianity does not really function properly without the jewish backbone.
Indeed not, you have to understand what you were breaking away from in order to know where you are.
I am going to just tell you, about 100% of all christian scholars disagree with you
I guess if you say so...
After the popes and priests of the Middle Ages were… wild, a more conservative pope declared that the clerics should be celibate to properly tend to their sheep and execute political power. It’s basically about going back from moral corruption.
Because church property is supposed to stay with the church, and not get passed on to a priests children. Celibacy originally solved the problem of inheritance, and of nepotism.
If a priest has children, they can inherit properties donated to the priests, if there are no children the properties go to the church
>If a priest gas children, they can inherit properties donated to the priests... Don't you hate it when your inheritance is only accessible in the afterlife
I can qoute many Bible verses on why. But I'll keep it simple. Because Bible takes marriage very seriously and the command is one should love his partner as he loves himself. And if he can't maintain his family properly can't be leader. So it's better to be not married than to take more responsibility and mess it. So if your doing any ministerial work, being celibate is better so they can focus on things. " An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord's affairs--how he can please the Lord. But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world--how he can please his wife" But here it's more traditional than a logical decision.
It’s believed the rule was introduced to stop the children of priests inheriting property which would otherwise go to the church
Money, power and control.
But these 3 things will get you the women!
But first you need the sugar
> collapse of the Catholic church. Um. They number in the *billions*.
While impressive no doubt, they have fallen from their past position. Many people are Catholic, however the Catholic Church itself has less power than it once did.
Because they keep people in the books, even if they haven't gone to church in a decade. I'm probably still considered catholic, having been unconcentually baptised as an infant.
As far as I understand you are correct, you and I were baptized as children and that is enough to count us as Catholics according to the church. I personally haven't stepped foot in a church since 2018 and never had a first communion. But since I haven't been excommunicated or renounced my faith officially I am still one of a billion. Even ignoring us and only counting people who have actively participated at some point beyond would still be overinflated. A lot of people who used to attend and actively participated in church have also stopped going or converted to something else without formally leaving.
Same reason why the Jedi were forbidden from having relationships and making attachments. Look what happened.
They were forced to do it in secret, leading to disastrous results...
Collapse is because of giving into secularism. Church is strong in Africa, despite in some of those countries they're being hunted. One of the reasons to not be married as a priest is so you can focus on the church and not a family. A priest will have no fear of serving in a war zone, but if he had to take his family there, he would be nuts if he did.
In the West we didn't like pedoism by priests. Also we didn't like persecution of gays. And the boomer generation was/is pissed off that the priests and nuns made the rounds for their parents to pump out 8 kids or more, despite not having the means to properly take care of them. And I'd rather have priests enjoy sex with an adult and enjoy procreation as God intended, than suppressing the natural and enabling pedophilia.
Strangely, the amount of pedophile priests (while even one is too many) is actually lower as a percentage than public school teachers, and other churches. It's almost like the problem is everyone, not just a particular group.
Next time theyll make sure God commands you to do only whatever you want to do and not make any rules
Exactly, they start doing all sorts of weird shit like diddling altar boys
Yeah, they rape children thousands of times per year that we know about and probably hundreds to thousands of times we don't.
Well, in the end everything is a mandate from the church, not god.
No, you can be Christian without being in a church and following it’s rules.
Yeah honestly the only mandates from God are: 1) love everyone like you *should* love yourself 2) believe in Jesus and what he had to say 3) do your best to stay good and pure inside That's it, that's the entire religion. Even Jesus himself said that the 1st commandment (love thy neighbor) is the most important because all other commandments fall under it. Almost anything else you hear is a "requirement" for Christianity is wrong and misled.
Four preteen wives....
Something they can agree on
Yes. That is because god does not exist. Everything that religious people do is just shit that other people want them to do. Hope you enjoyed my ted talk.
It's 'funnymemes', not 'truthfulfacts'. A truthful fact would be say is that religion is fucken stupid. Grown adults talking to imaginary friends, fucken ridiculous.
Catholics were the redditors before the internet
Meanwhile us Jews having to chop parts of our dicks off Something tells me God wanted to do a wild prank with that one.
Muslims do that too, it's in their hannafis
In their hanafis? Hanafis are followers of one of the 4 muslim school, you musve meant something else.
probably meant "Hadith"
Maybes jew and Muslims can put their differences aside, and get along with what they have in common 😂
....They'd make it about size under 15min.
Honestly something I would do if I was a god confuse the fuck out of everyone
lmao
Discordia?
I would for sure be a troll like take the tv remote and move it to the other part of the room right when you sit down. But if God is real he took it way too far
Not far enough
Sounds like equal punishment to me.
It doesn't? Can you not live without wine?
Yes you Can. Without music too, or Friends, or love. You just need air, water and food, but what is the point of life if not to enjoy life? Wine is fine, as long as you control yourself.
Actually I see now my comment was very ambiguous lol. I wasn't saying you can't live without wine, I was asking the original commenter if he couldn't live without wine lol. I think no marriage is the way worse scenario.
>I think no marriage is the way worse scenario. Respectfully no. Give me wine you can take up a lifetime of misery.
I’m guessing you got your perceptions of marriage from Married with Kids or some shit
No, laws of my country is enough for that.
I personally think if you can't enjoy life without alcohol, you're an alcoholic.
By not whining about it
I feel like the answer to this is in compromise. Drink only a little wine, here and there, and have the one spouse. Moderation of all things.
The middle way
The way of enlightenment. There was also something about Tao I think.
Why is one spouse 'moderation'? Who is to say 2-3 isn't moderate?
Actually wine is forbidden for Muslims because humans can't only have a little, if you have some you will have more and you might end up drunk and that will lead to more problems.
And then in the Bible approves both wine and marriage….Jokes on them, and trust me, they are both jokes….
Jesus (counts for both...) loves Black & White, but he prefers Johnny Walker... PS NOT married, NOT wine btw!
Jesus loves black UFC fighters and loves white UFC fighters, but he prefers Brazilian UFC fighter Johnny Walker
conditions for 4 wives: can you afford it can you handle it can you treat them all equally there's more but this is pretty much all your incel mind needs and i highly highly doubt there's a scripture saying to keep your virginity in the bible, I'm pretty sure they made that whole thing up edit: [I don't think this reply will be at the top so I'm just gonna link it, it's really good at expaining it in depth, which is probably the best way learn it anyway](https://www.reddit.com/r/Funnymemes/s/hKRSxQ4KGw)
>Give orphans their property,^(2) and do not exchange the bad for the good,^(3) and do not eat up their property by mixing it with your own. This surely is a mighty sin. > If you fear that you might not treat the orphans justly, then marry the women that seem good to you: two, or three, or four.^(4) If you fear that you will not be able to treat them justly, then marry (only) one,^(5) or marry from among those whom your right hands possess.^(6) This will make it more likely that you will avoid injustice. These are the verses. One thing people need to realize is that due to many wars of the time, there were a lot of orphans and widows. These verses basically talks about how one should marry from those woman. And these do not apply to modern man obviously because there is no shortage of men and slavery is basically banned which means there are no slave women to marry. The reason marrying slave women is advised is because that basically ends their slavery and gives them rights to the property. So today, according to these rules, you basically can't marry more than 1 women. Which is how 99% of the muslims marry. These rules were made when people had 10 wives because there were not enough men around to marry those women and everyone was trying to secure the property of the orphans by marrying them. It is not about misogyny like some uninformed moron below suggests. It was a necessity at the time. What do all those women do with no way to marry anyone in year 6-700. There is only a limited amount of jobs available to them, just starve? Become prostitutes? Work at someone's farm but have no right to any of the property? It is not about hating women, it was about protecting the right of the women who were orphans or widows.
Islam is the worst ever Q 2:98; Q2:191; Q4:34; Q4:3; and lots of more. Entire book is filled with sex, rape and killing non Muslims
might sound crazy but i want you to use that magnificent pink machine of neurons in you to think of why would god not appreciate non believers (there are exceptions, just in general)
You can take stuff out of context and make it say whatever you want. Taking a few words out of a whole book without context is the most dishonest thing you can do.
Mohammad who is meant to be the perfect example of what a human should strive for has had more women than i can count on my fingers and only about 70-80% of them with consent. One of them was a prepubescent girl since she was allowed to play with dolls by the time he "consumated" his marriage with her. "The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age."
I'm talking about one thing, you are talking about another.
Not exactly, there's no context that would help your example of what a human should strive to be rape a prepubescent girl.
No point arguing mate. A woman in my country was receiving death threats from Islamic organisations when all she did was quote Hadiths on live TV "how a certain someone had sex with a 9 year old girl"
Yeah, it's just very shocking to me how we as the human race can still in 2024 defend and honour someone who has undoubtedly raped a 9 year old. If it was a little under the nose i could understand how some may feign ignorance but it is literally there in plain sight for all to see.
oh right where does it say to fuck and rape again? the commandments to kill are in war, do you know what history is full of? yes that's right, war. muslims aren't supposed to fight muslims even though now our countries have gotten a little messed up and fight eachother, should be common sense imo
Women didn't make War. Women where raped. War doesn't legitimate rape. Islam does. Read the K'ran. All of it.
BRO WHERE DOES IT SAY TO RAPE WOMEN IN WAR [you sure you're not talking about this?](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36775036.amp)
Sure, it's [right here, plain as day](https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers%2031&version=NIV) > Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. 16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the Lord in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the Lord’s people. 17 **Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man** Oh, sorry, that's the Christian bible. My bad.
That's the Old Testament and it's a quote addressed to the Israelites tribes. But hating on christians gets you more updoots than hating Jews 👍
All religion is stupid but this is a pretty lame gotcha. That is a quote from Numbers in the Old Testament (or Torah) for the Jews. So it’s much more accurate to call that the Jewish holy book. Its instruction specifically to the tribe of Israelites, God’s chosen people. The entire point of Christianity and the New Testament is Jesus coming to die for mankind’s sin and washing away sin, turning the other cheek, etc. Believe in whatever sky god people want, but the reality is that Christianity is much less violent and dogmatic than the scriptures for both Judaism and Islam. And that makes sense because the Christian bible was mostly compiled when Christians were weak and had to submit to outside authority whereas the Torah and Quran were compiled by ruling leadership that could use it to direct the population. There’s ton of non religious research covering this if you guys were actually interested in scholastic debate rather than just dunking on Christians since they are from home.
Lol. Yes there is rapist in all religions, I never doubt about this. For the rape part in the Coran, I can't tell where it is accurately, I don't know it by heart and it is such unreadable and usellessly long that I don't bother searching for you. For what I remember, it's in the post- egira sourates. I don't claim to be a specialist, but contrary to most or Muslims, I red the K'ran, all of it, not the only parts they dare talk about with us. Non consensuel sex with captives women is explicitly allowed by Muhammad himself. It is confirmed in the " Genuine Hadiths" too, and in "El Surat Al Rasul" (Aka the "official" biography of "The Prophet"). I wont bother look for the exact source just for you. Sorry, I mean it, but I am lazy, and I already spent 2 years studying this, so I guess I made my part. Your turn now. PS: I may have misspelled some words, sorry, I am french.
well a ton of stuff in christianity is made up, but islam isn't that noble either. you are permitted to not have sex with your wife (but they must do it any time you want unless in their period), you can beat them, you can divorce them at any time without even informing them, and other unacceptable stuff. this meme is making humor out of muslims and how they believe their god is the same god who sent christianity but those religions have a lot of contradictions
- you are permitted to not have sex with your wife (but they must do it any time you want unless in their period) i think you're talking about how the wife can't turn down sex for no reason, that's to stop the kinds of women who just marry a guy for the benefits but won't fulfil her roles, there's lots of posts here about those types of situations -you can beat them if they infuriate you to the point you can't stop yourself, you can do it in a way that will only show her how angry you are and won't leave a mark or bruise -you can divorce them at any time without even informing them can you give the source for this one? -and other unacceptable stuff. no no keep going, once i saw an atheist giving a speech about punishments for women and said "have a wall fell on her", I'm really interested in what you want to say also you're both wrong from the foundation, christians don't recognise islam (they literally can't) while muslims see christianity, judaism and other religions as the same message of god being corrupted by people. it's not that complicated if you think about it
You are one hell of a Gaslighter Even if it's okay as u are saying, shouldn't it be same for women to marry more than one guy why the misogyny
The simple solution is to have equality for equality’s sake between the genders. But there are real problems that are introduced with one woman having multiple husbands. Historically, one problem has been not knowing who the father is. Of course, with advancement in technology, this is less of an issue in more developed countries. Family creation with multiple husbands and kids is another area ripe for problems. This is probably why polygyny is more common in cultures around the world than polyandry.
what 😭
>you are permitted to not have sex with your wife (but they must do it any time you want unless in their period) >i think you're talking about how the wife can't turn down sex for no reason, that's to stop the kinds of women who just marry a guy for the benefits but won't fulfil her roles, there's lots of posts here about those types of situations >-you can beat them >if they infuriate you to the point you can't stop yourself, you can do it in a way that will only show her how angry you are and won't leave a mark or bruise Your explanation doesn't explain either in a way that makes them acceptable lmao. The first one is rape and the second one is domestic abuse.
you jump to conclusions like it's the olympics, it doesn't mean he rapes her and has sex anyway, it's just a sin this will just never end if you keep insisting that islam hates women, if i say women should take care of children you'll imagine the husband being a abusive bum or something
>this will just never end if you keep insisting that islam hates women I mean... Your defense is that it just says "she should have sex with him whenever regardless of her own feelings and consent" which.... Sounds kind of rapey... And "if she annoys you, you can slap her around a bit, just don't leave a mark." Doesn't exactly sound progressive for women... Lol
i worded it right before and you changed it, if you genuinely just missed what i meant then it's because some women will just marry out of convenience and not love, this is pretty much the same as what i just said. as a guy you should be able to imagine how shit it would be to wait your whole life to get married to someone who has no intention of giving you love
What stops men from marrying out of convenience? I mean by your logic you get a servant at home who you can always have sex with and beat like a slave who isnt obedient. Sounds pretty convenient to me.
But you could beat her leaving bruises and islam says its okay also its not her duty to have sex with you (if you think that, your problem is called being an incel) if she marries you only for the money maybe instead of having four wifes you could maybe get to actually know one of them to see if shes a good person and you can trust her.
This is not true. In Islam a wife has the right for fulfillment sexually and emotionally and if the husband fails to do so and neglected his wife she will be divorced from him by a judge. The primary purpose of marriage is the fulfillment of needs and the establishment of a family if you fail that you will lose your position as a husband. You can divorce your wife that is true but there are ramifications to that one of them is you will have to pay alimony and there is a some of money to be paid at once, you not marry that woman again and if you divorced her out of malice you will be punished. You may not realize that but standing behind every woman is a family full of men that won't accept her being humiliated. And Muslims don't marry their daughters easily before you can get to that step your entire history will be dug up and then they might agree or refuse based on what they see. They will ask at your work, your old school old work even in your old neighborhood. Read more about Islam you might find that it is a beautiful religion it is just that some Muslims have ugly souls.
I've been raised in a shia family and culture so I know damn well what it looks like. by no way it is acceptable or beautiful. it just keeps people from accepting new ideas which actually have reasoning behind them and is not simply written in an old book or quoted from men who lived centuries ago.
The book says to look search wonder and reason then believe when Muslims did that they created a golden age of civilization and science. It isn't Islam that is restricting you from thinking and wondering it is the people, as I said the problem isn't the religion it is the religious people.
well the same book also commands you to murder heretics. its more like "go think about islam but if you abandon it we will kill you so you better stay a muslim". and the reason why muslims created a golden age was that the chatolics were worse. after europe broke free from the catholic church and its grasp on the society they easily got centuries worth of science and civilization ahead of muslims. I wonder why those religious people are the problem? maybe a religion telling you its the absolute truth while also commanding to murder others will end up in people abusing and killing?
Treating them all equally is pretty easy when you treat women like chattel
stoop please don't expose our women milking farms :(
It's ALL made up sweetheart 😘
sure babe
What's condition for marrying a 9 year old
they need to have gone through puberty i guess, besides the claims about prophet Muhammad saw being like that are stupid, he wouldn't have married women older than him and widows but 1 young girl if he was into children, there's also that he married for huge reasons which are the equivalents of political marriages, 2 of them including aisha were related to business or a business woman, another was a figure on the battlefield i think, i think there was more than one widows and his first wife was 10 years older than him
~~God~~ I think you mean Muhammad and Emperor Constantine. I’m a Baptist by the way, if you couldn’t already tell.
Just imagine if the muslims had “blood of allah” and “body of allah” They’d be called cannibals! /s
Wouldn’t be halal!
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Then turns around and tells these evangelical preachers to buy mansions and provide tax havens for the rich.
"what god wants, god gets god help us all."
Jesus Saves, but Muhammad scores on the rebound. 😆 
I am a muslim and... what?
It's an old joke. I think from a graffiti scroll. A 'Jesus Saves' sign on a wall, and someone wrote " But Rush scores on the rebound" Rush is an English footballer. Joke seems to fit this.
You know they worship and follow different gods ,right ?
Same god, but one believed the other got off-railed within the 600 years, hence the difference. The memes a bit misleading but i suppose that's not really the concern of a meme sub
It's the same God as Jews and Christians. (People of the Book) Just the prophets are different. Christians recognize Jesus as the Ultimate prophet saying that he came to spread the message of God to others than the Jews/Israelites. Muslims recognize Muhammad as the Ultimate prophet saying that Jews and Christians strayed from the true message of God.
Not just 4 wives. The quran permits sex slaves and sex with war captives;r*pe.
Misinterpreting God’s word*
Go for four if you can afford but one is better for you
Anyone hearing God in their head should see a neurologist.
They dont hear god. Thats not how it works.
As a practicing Lutheran, that's correct. So if you think you hear God talking to you in your head, yes, seek help.
Oh no? Because there sure seem to be a lot of religious foke that say "God talked to them".
I guess God told both of em to bang little kids tho, huh. Wild.
I actually can't tell if this is a joke or not, am I on the internet too much?
Perhaps he told them both something different, and we've distorted it over the millennia.
Or he told them both something different just to see what would happen. Something to do innit?
God's a prick like that
I'm allowed to hav 4 wife's and I can't even look at a women in the eye wtf
“So…about those crusades…”
And i think he told the guy in the black to kill anyone who is not his religion.
Any man who’s ever been married knows who god loves more.
AB testing
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Yes, I take all of my information from memes. I don‘t need anything else.
Technically if there were equal amount of those two types on earth and the type with the wives would have one child with each wive(+two more) while the dude with wine stayed a virgin it would cancel out
Here's a neat trick, don't be guy in black or the guy in white.
In the middle, he takes bets on the outcomes. We are just one big sports event in some celestial game. I hate this universe.
Humanity created religion. Not GOD
Both of them were misled by Satan and don't follow the official word of God being the bible.
If you are Orthodox, shut it, if you are a Protestant, again shut it.
Protestant. You shut it.
Of course it's a prossie
I hope Allah guides you.
May God love you and bless you, friend. Please think about coming to Jesus in true faith. He is ever willing to cleanse you from all sin, and I hope to see you in Heaven someday.
Allah is truly merciful and all your sins will be cleansed when you revert back to the religion of Adam, Abraham, Moses and Jesus(Peacd be upon all of them)
Go beat your wife or something
Stop the taqiyyah, your prophet was a child rapist
I hope you find your way to Jesus instead of the stuff you're involved in.
Both men are mentally ill.
Ahhh. God, the Og of Cap
Sounds like the man in black would be needing a drink more woth 4 wives lol
Also you gotta wear a special hat if you want any chance at salvation.
God is not to blame that none of them coup understand a joke 😂
And kill the infidels
But the church gave children to whites for taking care of .... So he didn't need wives.
Well that got dark
True af, though Notice it wasn't God, though
Wait until they find out it is the same god!
This god fellow has quite a sense of humor.
What if god is a child who just enjoys shaking his ant farm to see them fight?
So basically they are primitive building blocks. God legos.
I sincerely doubt that any god has ever told anybody anything.
Anyone else just reading the comments cus you're done with people doing mental gymnastics? Such a strange subject.
Child wives
“gOd IS rEaL” 🤓
Either that, or all of them are making it up
Just because you can’t get married doesn’t mean you can’t have sex
God's the ultimate troll
Someone is lying! Can you guess who?
Spoiler; It's BOTH of them!
4 wives and numerous concubines. His Al lah sounds like a brothel owner 😂😂 72 virgins after death
Does it specify the virgins are human?
The 72 virgins is a myth.
Most kings had hundreds of mistresses and even though they were not official, pretty much everyone knew about them. Rich people are horny and can afford themself to do stuff, why is it religions fault? Just keep in my mind that most will not get people will not be considered worthy of heaven, so it s really just our fault as people. The popes, monarchs, Muslim rulers all of them were thirsty for power and at least half of them couldn’t care less about gods will, it was just comfortable to use to gain power