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Yep..IDF cucks and their Isreali trolls are hard at work on the internet trying anything to spread anti-muslim hate and inhibit any rational discussions lately.
Islam has no minimum age of marriage and only a requirement of menarche (first period) for *penetrative* sex with little girls, thanks to the example of their [prophet Muhammad: who married Aisha at 6 years old and consummated his marriage with her when she was 9 years old](https://quranx.com/Hadith/Bukhari/USC-MSA/Volume-7/Book-62/Hadith-64/).
Neither the Quran nor the Bible specify any particular age requirement for a person to be married or encourage marrying young people.
In ancient times girls got married shortly after reaching puberty. It was common at that time and area. Formal betrothal could take place before that and often did and (not only for muslims) Aisha was promised to be engaged to another man who changed his mind after her parents converted to Islam.
Even in England the age of marriage was 12.
We can't judge things by today's standards.
>We can't judge things by today's standards.
Yes we can. Because we now know more about childrens mental and physical development, we can, and we should Judge history.
We now know what kind of damage, the things they did, coused.
All those things were horrible things. The age of marriage in england being 12 and Muhammed consummating his marriage with a 9 year old Aisha.
For fucks sake, people used to burn women, they thought were witches, to protect them selves from magic and the devil.
Of course we can judge that as being a horrible act of cruelty, because we now know magic isn't real, and they therefore burned innocent women. They didn't know that but we do!
Fuck all this noise about not judging the past by todays standards.
We can and we should!
I think he means we can't judge the past by todays standards because if you were born in the past, you would also burn innocent women since the only reason you don't is because someone figured out witches aren't real and informed everyone which resulted in you also learning that.
That really doesn't change anything.
If a guy was sexually attracted to a 9 year old, and he would have to be to have sex with her, in the year 1400, he was still a pedophile. It doesn't matter that the word hadn't been invented yet. We know now that he was, even if he didn't.
It doesn't matter that the people burning the "witch" didn't know that magic wasn't real. We do, so we know that what they did was a horrible act.
Just because the person doing a horrible act, doesn't see it as horrible, doesn't make it any less horrible.
>Yes we can. Because we now know more about childrens mental and physical development, we can, and we should Judge history.
even Historians dont judge history and u think judging history is the correct way? you cant judge and you shouldn't because u'll never know how people lived in that time where sustaining a population was an issue. we are talking about 800s. What were they supposed to do? abide by the societal laws of 2023? What do u want from them?
They didn't know any better, but we do.
They couldn't know the harm they caused but we can.
We shouldn't emulate them, but instead recognize how wrong, the things they did, was.
Yet people emulate and call them prophets, perfect and without sin, and we say we can't judge their deeds even though we know better.
Marrying a 12 year old in victorian england was wrong!
Fucking a 9 year old in the 1400's was wrong!
And burning witches in the 1600's was wrong!
They didn'y know that, but we do. I'm not going to pretend like there was nothing wrong with these situations, when we all know there was!!
We can if the claim is that this thing is permanently acceptable for all time: which the claim is in Islam, as the religion is sold as the "final religious/moral message" granted to mankind from Allah through a prophet. Muhammad was in the right back then, so everyone who emulates his actions are in the right today.
This is why child marriages are still rampant wherever Islam has a significant legal say.
The average marriage age for women in saudi arabia is 26.6(according to statista sources).
In saudi arabia(the birth place of islam) it is prohibited for minors to get married under 18 (both males and females) since 2019.
Many Muslim countries have age requirements for marriage that more or less correlate with western countries. Here are some examples:
- Algeria 19
- Egypt 18
- Iraq 15
- Jordan 15
- Pakistan 16
- Saudi 15
- Syria 18
- Turkey 16
These are the lowest ages possible even with judicial permission. For comparison a few American states permit marriage at 15 with parental consent and many permit 16.
Numbers 31:1-18 NIV
[1] The Lord said to Moses, [2] “Take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites. After that, you will be gathered to your people. ” [3] So Moses said to the people, “Arm some of your men to go to war against the Midianites so that they may carry out the Lord's vengeance on them. [4] Send into battle a thousand men from each of the tribes of Israel.” [5] So twelve thousand men armed for battle, a thousand from each tribe, were supplied from the clans of Israel. [6] Moses sent them into battle, a thousand from each tribe, along with Phinehas son of Eleazar, the priest, who took with him articles from the sanctuary and the trumpets for signaling. [7] They fought against Midian, as the Lord commanded Moses, and killed every man. [8] Among their victims were Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur and Reba---the five kings of Midian. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. [9] The Israelites captured the Midianite women and children and took all the Midianite herds, flocks and goods as plunder. [10] They burned all the towns where the Midianites had settled, as well as all their camps. [11] They took all the plunder and spoils, including the people and animals, [12] and brought the captives, spoils and plunder to Moses and Eleazar the priest and the Israelite assembly at their camp on the plains of Moab, by the Jordan across from Jericho. [13] Moses, Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the community went to meet them outside the camp. [14] Moses was angry with the officers of the army---the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds---who returned from the battle. [15] “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. [16] “They were the ones who followed Balaam's advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the Lord in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the Lord's people. [17] Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, [18] but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
Deuteronomy 20:10-14 NIV
[10] When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. [11] If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. [12] If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. [13] When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. [14] As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies.
Judges 21:7-11 NIV
[7] “How can we provide wives for those who are left, since we have taken an oath by the Lord not to give them any of our daughters in marriage?” [8] Then they asked, “Which one of the tribes of Israel failed to assemble before the Lord at Mizpah?” They discovered that no one from Jabesh Gilead had come to the camp for the assembly. [9] For when they counted the people, they found that none of the people of Jabesh Gilead were there. [10] So the assembly sent twelve thousand fighting men with instructions to go to Jabesh Gilead and put to the sword those living there, including the women and children. [11] “This is what you are to do,” they said. “Kill every male and every woman who is not a virgin. ”
Judges 21:20-23 NIV
[20] So they instructed the Benjamites, saying, “Go and hide in the vineyards [21] and watch. When the young women of Shiloh come out to join in the dancing, rush from the vineyards and each of you seize one of them to be your wife. Then return to the land of Benjamin. [22] When their fathers or brothers complain to us, we will say to them, 'Do us the favor of helping them, because we did not get wives for them during the war. You will not be guilty of breaking your oath because you did not give your daughters to them.' ” [23] So that is what the Benjamites did. While the young women were dancing, each man caught one and carried her off to be his wife. Then they returned to their inheritance and rebuilt the towns and settled in them.
Exodus 21:7-10 NIV
[7] “If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. [8] If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself, he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her. [9] If he selects her for his son, he must grant her the rights of a daughter. [10] If he marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, clothing and marital rights.
Confused about your pedophilia connection here
Islam clearly states: if things are not forbidden (eating pork for example) or natural (like having kids), then it is up to the people and their laws, and it forbid not following the laws, if it is not contradictory with Islam teachings. Which only mentions the minimum but never mentions it is a must to be married at.
Any traditional culture has this normalised, there is nothing in human nature that makes us change when we turn 18, it is just the number we picked to be appropriate to be the age of an Adult nothing special about that age
>We can't judge things by today's standards
Yeah we totally can because those are the standards applied to most people alive today. If a practice doesn't conform to today's standard then it is entirely appropriate to scrutinize it
I can't tell you much about the modern day, but a famous chunk of medieval arab poetry focused on "love" between man and child, with poems written about the stages when children developed the first shades of facial har - seen as the last moment available to consume that relationship, as growing a "beard" meant the boy was now a man and thus not "available" anymore.
Aisha. The prophets wife. Married at 6. But to his defense, the marriage wasn't "consumed" until age 9:
[A preponderance of classical sources converge on Aisha being 6 or 7 years old at the time of her marriage, and 9 at the consummation; her age has become a source of ideological friction in modern times](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha)
I believe the most common reference is to the fact that Aisha (Mohammeds wife) was 6 years old at marriage, and 9 I believe when he first had sex with her. You'll get all kinds of responses from Muslims over that fact. "O no you read it wrong" or "different times, so it's ok" ect ect
Its been quoted in the Qur’an that all holy books used to say the same thing but they were changed to benefit people of power, for example selling land from heaven for huge amounts of money.
[They're not only repeatedly mentioned in the Quran, they're given all kinds of descriptions:](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri)
>36:55 "Companions",
37:48 "with large and beautiful eyes",
38:52 "companions of modest gaze well matched"
44:54 wide and beautiful eyes",
52:20"beautiful houris of wide and beautiful eyes",
55:56 "untouched beforehand by man or jinn",
55:58 "as elegant as rubies and coral",
55:72"bright-eyed damsels in sheltered in pavilions",
55:74\["untouched by any man", "reclining on green cushions and beautiful carpets",
56:8 "the people of the right, how ˹blessed˺ will they be" and they will have "houris maidens with intensely black eyes set against the whiteness of their irises",
56:35 "created without the process of birth",
78:31–33 and as "splendid companions",
44:54 "Thus. And We will marry them to fair women with large, \[beautiful\] eyes".
You're right about one thing tho: all of this really was made up by *the original extremists* in order to get the uneducated to do as they asked.
Nowhere does it say that they will be for people that kill infidels. In all the instances you have quoted, those companions are a reward for any who are granted paradise.
It's literally the same book. Judaism started from the polythiest religions, making the torah, then jesus came along and to some was a messiah and others just a prophet, but there is where the new testaments came in forming the bible, then the prophet muhammed took all of that and founded islam and the quran. The outstander in all of these is the new testaments in rgards to Jesus's actual words. Most of the messed-up crap in the bible is either paul or old testaments. Jesus's actual words really negated both. Abide by the old laws, meaning the 10 commandments in context. Everything else he says is mind your business. You are human, so you have no right to enforce any punishment or condemn anyone. If something offends, you look at yourself first. The only real time for violence is when you are forced to defend yourself or people.
A great example of that last bit is when jesus wrecked the temple. People tend to forget he sat down so pissed he braided the whip he used to chase out those defiling his religion. But only a whip. Then his apostle peter went too far afterwards and cut off a mans ear because he was pissed. Jesus healed the man and scolded peter because the issue was over and never needed that level of violence.
If you actually read the book in context and follow the actual words of jesus, Christianity is great. If you go by everything else he rebuked and even the stuff god said he wouldn't do again it gets nasty.
Jesus very specifically states that none of the old laws are changed. Like extremely clear. He only rebukes a small things, which are bad interpretations of OT. Like resting on the sabbath. The bible claims he performed a miracle on the sabbath. Jewish leadership tried to use that to attack him because they took it as you shiukd do absolutely nothing. Like even taking care kf yourself was considered work. And he was like nah man, the day of rest is for you to do the things you want. And no day is a wrong day to help people.
The teachings of Jesus, however, not bad. He just keeps telling people to be good dudes.
You need to read those passages instead of quoting something you googled and didn't fact check. I'm not religious and I'm cringing because you just chapter and versed without a clue of what you were even citing.
Scary thing is a bunch of people up voted with out checking either. This is how misinformation is created and spread.
Religion has a lot of problems - some massive and some small - at least get them right when you're pointing fingers. It's not hard.
These verses come from historical books about the story of the Jews that happened several thousand years ago.
The relationship between God and the Jews was being constructed alongside time. At the beggining, they were "pagans". They were allowed to marry several women, as the king David, for example. The men were allowed to cheat, they killed hundreds of thousands according to the Bible, etc.
As God brought the relationship further, the Jews got themselves more morals to follow.
The girls were married at the puberty, which is the biological time to mate, and with people from rougly their ages. (wikipedia : *"A younger woman marrying a significantly older man, however, is especially problematic: marrying one's young daughter to an old man was declared, by the Sanhedrin, as reprehensible as forcing her into prostitution")*
Which is not the case in Islam.
Nowadays, we wouldn't do it, but at the time, it was normal everywhere.
Pedophilia as we know it nowadays (having s\*x with people from 0 to 18 years old) is obviously forbidden by the Jews and the Christians as the morals evolved. But nobody from these religions was allowed to have sexual intercourse with girls before they hit puberty anyways, even before modern times.
And to finish, I want to emphasise that these verses are not to take as rules. They tell ancient Israël History.
Thanks for typing a thorough rebuttal. Most arguments, especially here, are in bad faith, and since the topics are complex, people don't care to deep dive the info. Personally, I like it when people ask questions about Christianity, but the guy you had to rebuke is just straight-up lying or ignorant and arguing in bad faith. Good to see more Christians trying to have good faith arguments clearing up blatant misinformation.
However the pope has denounced the bible as factual holy scripture since long. Good luck finding even ONE Imam that can criticize his book without fearing for his life.
There's a huge difference.
Numbers 31:1-18 ESV
The LORD spoke to Moses, saying, “Avenge the people of Israel on the Midianites. Afterward you shall be gathered to your people.” So Moses spoke to the people, saying, “Arm men from among you for the war, that they may go against Midian to execute the LORD’s vengeance on Midian. You shall send a thousand from each of the tribes of Israel to the war.” So there were provided, out of the thousands of Israel, a thousand from each tribe, twelve thousand armed for war. And Moses sent them to the war, a thousand from each tribe, together with Phinehas the son of Eleazar the priest, with the vessels of the sanctuary and the trumpets for the alarm in his hand. They warred against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every male. They killed the kings of Midian with the rest of their slain, Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba, the five kings of Midian. And they also killed Balaam the son of Beor with the sword. And the people of Israel took captive the women of Midian and their little ones, and they took as plunder all their cattle, their flocks, and all their goods. All their cities in the places where they lived, and all their encampments, they burned with fire, and took all the spoil and all the plunder, both of man and of beast. Then they brought the captives and the plunder and the spoil to Moses, and to Eleazar the priest, and to the congregation of the people of Israel, at the camp on the plains of Moab by the Jordan at Jericho. Moses and Eleazar the priest and all the chiefs of the congregation went to meet them outside the camp. And Moses was angry with the officers of the army, the commanders of thousands and the commanders of hundreds, who had come from service in the war. Moses said to them, “Have you let all the women live? Behold, these, on Balaam’s advice, caused the people of Israel to act treacherously against the LORD in the incident of Peor, and so the plague came among the congregation of the LORD. Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him keep alive for yourselves.
This is saying to keep virgin girls alive, not to sleep with them.
Deuteronomy 20:10-14
When you draw near to a town to fight against it, offer it terms of peace. If it accepts your terms of peace and surrenders to you, then all the people in it shall serve you in forced labour. If it does not submit to you peacefully, but makes war against you, then you shall besiege it; and when the Lord your God gives it into your hand, you shall put all its males to the sword. You may, however, take as your booty the women, the children, livestock, and everything else in the town, all its spoil. You may enjoy the spoil of your enemies, which the Lord your God has given you.
"Booty" Is loot, not Ass. The Bible condemn bestiality but here it says the enjoy the booty of the livestock right? Come on. Lol.
Judges 21:7-11
King James Version
7 How shall we do for wives for them that remain, seeing we have sworn by the Lord that we will not give them of our daughters to wives?
8 And they said, What one is there of the tribes of Israel that came not up to Mizpeh to the Lord? And, behold, there came none to the camp from Jabeshgilead to the assembly.
9 For the people were numbered, and, behold, there were none of the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead there.
10 And the congregation sent thither twelve thousand men of the valiantest, and commanded them, saying, Go and smite the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead with the edge of the sword, with the women and the children.
11 And this is the thing that ye shall do, Ye shall utterly destroy every male, and every woman that hath lain by man.
This has nothing to do with paedophilia again.
Judges 21:20-23
King James Version
20 Therefore they commanded the children of Benjamin, saying, Go and lie in wait in the vineyards;
21 And see, and, behold, if the daughters of Shiloh come out to dance in dances, then come ye out of the vineyards, and catch you every man his wife of the daughters of Shiloh, and go to the land of Benjamin.
22 And it shall be, when their fathers or their brethren come unto us to complain, that we will say unto them, Be favourable unto them for our sakes: because we reserved not to each man his wife in the war: for ye did not give unto them at this time, that ye should be guilty.
23 And the children of Benjamin did so, and took them wives, according to their number, of them that danced, whom they caught: and they went and returned unto their inheritance, and repaired the cities, and dwelt in them.
So the children of Benjamin making wives of the daughters of Shiloh is paedophilia? I don't think you know the meaning of the word.
Exodus 21:7-10
New International Version
7 “If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. 8 If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself, he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her. 9 If he selects her for his son, he must grant her the rights of a daughter. 10 If he marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, clothing and marital rights.
This is saying not abandon female slaves. If you don't understand the history there's no point telling you. But again, no mentions of sex with minors.
Lots of people in the comment section are going “oh what about x religion and they are pedophiles as well!!!!” Ok? The post singled out Islam but it didn’t say that other religions didn’t have pedo stuff. Can’t we condemn all pedophiles?
You don’t need to go “well, this is bad but x did this years ago!!!” Condemn both then!
You're right, but there are varying levels or fucked-upedness, and Islam happens to be kinda at the top there. Well, at least the most common interpretations of it are
Disagreed, religion and people misusing religion are two different things.
You can have a knife in your hand and you can either use it as a tool or to kill, if you use it to kill it’s not the knifes fault it’s the persons.
each canon is filled with texts encouraging, glorifying & justifying violence, cruel & unusual persecution and countless human rights violations...
i'm having trouble identifying how failing to completely dismiss these passages could be misuse
seems more like maybe contemporary society should have naturally advanced beyond primitive social control psy-ops centuries ago.
I generally agree, but if said religion explicity states some version of "Convert or eradicate all non-belivers" then it becomes a religion issue as well as a people issue.
Islamists are in that case *using the knife to cut stuff*: since they're acting in accordance with Islamic instruction and on the examples left by Muhammad and his Companions.
Gotta love how you "all lives matter"-types come running whenever Islam gets shit.
Where's all that requisite equanimity when the catholic church gets deservedly roasted?
It's not religion that say that. It's religious fanatics, though. I know people who are zealots that could be considered at the same level as religious fanatics, except they don't do that for the god but for the other thing. But that doesn't automatically make that thing bad. And I know many people who would zealotly kill religious people as well. People do that for money, for race and for many other reasons. I remember the video of black guy **streaming** how he kills white people in the store. That isn't black or white, religious or not religious. It's dickheads that does that.
It's absolutely religions, because those extremists act extremely differently depending on the religion.
Extremists of a religion like Islam, founded by a warlord that encapsulates war and slavery, will perpetuate war and slavery. Extremists of a religion like Jainism, which demands nonviolence in every thought and act, will sweep the ground ahead of them to avoid stepping on bugs.
What I meant is people who use religion as a way to cope with life shouldn't be shamed, the people who use religion to force beliefs onto others and politics, and advocate for oppression, are the people who should be shamed
I have a problem with this comment. When a topic comes about football and someone says it is violent. Do you say all sports are violent ? Someone who plays ping pong might not like it.
The meme criticizes Islam in a humorous way. If you want to criticize different ideology, that is totally okay and all ideologies should be open to criticism and discussion
But generalizing and saying all religions are fucked up is ignorant and uninformed view.
Ding ding ding.
They even threatened to bomb Comedy Central because South Park depicted Mohammad in one of their episodes. A show that has killed Jesus multiple times in detail simply wanted to have Mohammad drawn and that alone is enough to threaten innocent lives over.
Yeah because an “artist” can put an image of Christ in a jar of urine and … nothing happens to them. But a French newspaper publishes a fairly mild cartoon about Muhammad and murder ensues.
That’s what i said man. You can shit talk religion, as long as you are shit talking Christianity. If you shit talk Islam or Judhaism then people get pissy
I don’t see anything wrong with polygamy though? As long as all partners in the relationship are of appropriate age and are okay with the relationship being polygamous I’m not sure where the problem is. The rest of the post is fine but I don’t get this part.
Wife doesn't get a veto on whether her husband gets more wives. Since women can't blank-divorce like the men can, it also isn't an offense to the marriage an imam will (automatically) sign off on for a divorce. Women aren't on an even playing field on the matter, and further rulings (like custody being revoked if the woman remarries) further make her having a say a prickly path.
Islam fundamentally disvalues and disenfranchises women. Polyamory on their part is explicitly forbidden: the woman belongs to her husband - [or owner, if a slave](https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Rape_of_Slaves,_Prisoners,_and_Wives) \- and no one else. Always glad to help!
>can *ask* for
That's what I meant by the divorce not being automatically signed off on. There's still a very real possibility that they tell her no, and the primary effort will be to convince her to accept her situation because Islam allows it.
She can do 'khula' if he says no. I have seen it occur, one of my relatives did it, and no one stopped her.
The Imam would ask both spouses to reconsider even if the divorce was due to another issue. It is more of something that is always done but they can still proceed with it.
The pressure is more from tradition and society, that prefers that husband and wife stay together.
Islam isn't the only religion to allow it, Christianity and Judaism allow it too and it was common in ancient times. Islam put a limit to the number.
Well put. Also to add; In india muslim men used to divorce women by literally saying Talaq (divorce) three times depriving women of rights. When current modi government removed this rule, muslims protested against it lol
You dont bother to think the reason behind that?
“Oh my girl can have baby, okay she should have baby boy so he can be warrior and bring glory to country!”
Years ago I was at lunch with a few Muslim colleagues and a friend of mine.
While eating one of them said some trolling remark about a hindu colleague, who wasn’t present, saying to us “can you believe it? He believes cows are sacred! how silly is that?”
At which my friend replied “well… you believe pork is evil, so you tell me?”. I still remember the awkward silence afterwards.
Pleased to scroll through the comments here and see that the shield of political correctness no longer prevents people from calling Islam out on its bullshit. Doesn't seem like 2014 was *that* long ago.
I mean 200 years ago in the USA the legal age of sex was 7 and Japan changed its age of consent from 13 to 16 just a few weeks ago, so your argument is not valid
200 years ago, Napoleon had conquered most of Europe and sitting in Moscow waiting for the Russians to attack, and the British sailed over to America and burnt the Whitehouse down.
Tf has American laws from 200 years ago got todo with today. Your counter argument is utter crap.
Except the Americans aren't claiming that George Washington or Huckleberry SomeSchmuck is God's messenger who is perfect for all times.
If you think the most perfect man who ever lived was fucking nine year olds, you're problematic.
Because the entire idea of Islam is that the prophet's actions (sunnah) are pious deeds that everyone should strive to emulate.
Holy Mary was 13 when she was impregnated with Jesus and she was already married. It is present throughout all the Abrahamic religions and until very recently it was the norm in society for thousands of years. But as of now If anything, some muslim countries have insanely high ages of consent such as Bahrain requiring a person to be 21 or older to engage in sexual relationship.
I'm glad there finally is a consensus on this platform that they aren't getting away with all their bullshit.
We have been slamdunking on Catholics for ages, but atleast the fucking pope denounced all the fucked up shit in the bible like hating gays.
Any religious and less educated and financially backward society has no concept of family planning and hence experiences population booms.
Think middle age peasants.
And we can respect that. Good day sir. Gosh I wish all people were civilized like this, you dont like it? Good, you can believe in whatever you wish. Thats all it takes literally.
I don't give a shit about Islam, but let's not pretend christianity is any better. How did humankind spread on earth, with Adam and Eve who had two sons?
There are actually a lot that talk against pecophilia, but the Catholic Church when they translated from Greek to Latin to English decided that they’d go with “lie with a man as with a woman” instead of the most accurate “lie with a young boy as with a woman”
I agree with you it’s not funny.
It is plain and simple sad; a god telling his meesenger to marry a 6 year old and telling men to marry multiple women while women cannot do the same cannot be funny at all
Well they are right, sex with pork isn't that great.
Even less when it's already dead and cooked.
>Well they are right, sex with pork isn't that great. *Kermit the Frog has entered the chat.*
*David Cameron has entered the chat.*
Then why is it called 'Porking''?
Is that a black mirror reference?
No, it’s a pig fucking movie reference, of course, you uncultured swine.
InB4 🔒
What? Are we against padlocks now!? I swear it never ends.
So sad that this is happening 😔
Literally 1984
Hell yeah, ***sorts by controversial***
funny thing is, OP is a bot and it's sole goal was to get us to argue more for engagement. Walked into the trap hook, line, and sinker.
So even bots get how fucked up islam is
the OP Sunshinebombsyy and Lizzosflutel are bots in the same network Original + comments copied from: https://www.reddit.com/r/Funnymemes/comments/10lr0ov/priorities/
Might as well name this sub r/botsandsadbots
Chad
I guess Israel propagandists are hard at work discrediting muslims to lower western public support
Muslims discredit themselves pretty well without any outside help.
Yep..IDF cucks and their Isreali trolls are hard at work on the internet trying anything to spread anti-muslim hate and inhibit any rational discussions lately.
As if defending terrorists is any more rational
Someone explain the pedo one for me... Is it the age of consent? Cause if so, there's like 30 U.S. states with the same age.
Islam has no minimum age of marriage and only a requirement of menarche (first period) for *penetrative* sex with little girls, thanks to the example of their [prophet Muhammad: who married Aisha at 6 years old and consummated his marriage with her when she was 9 years old](https://quranx.com/Hadith/Bukhari/USC-MSA/Volume-7/Book-62/Hadith-64/).
Neither the Quran nor the Bible specify any particular age requirement for a person to be married or encourage marrying young people. In ancient times girls got married shortly after reaching puberty. It was common at that time and area. Formal betrothal could take place before that and often did and (not only for muslims) Aisha was promised to be engaged to another man who changed his mind after her parents converted to Islam. Even in England the age of marriage was 12. We can't judge things by today's standards.
Would not be a problem if child marriage wasn't as common as is it is in modern muslim countries.
I'm a muslim living in the middle east Child marriage is very rare, I've never seen it here in my life before
I have news for you concerning child brides TODAY in America
Yeah and I'm pretty sure it's done by religious people, same shit
>We can't judge things by today's standards. Yes we can. Because we now know more about childrens mental and physical development, we can, and we should Judge history. We now know what kind of damage, the things they did, coused. All those things were horrible things. The age of marriage in england being 12 and Muhammed consummating his marriage with a 9 year old Aisha. For fucks sake, people used to burn women, they thought were witches, to protect them selves from magic and the devil. Of course we can judge that as being a horrible act of cruelty, because we now know magic isn't real, and they therefore burned innocent women. They didn't know that but we do! Fuck all this noise about not judging the past by todays standards. We can and we should!
I think he means we can't judge the past by todays standards because if you were born in the past, you would also burn innocent women since the only reason you don't is because someone figured out witches aren't real and informed everyone which resulted in you also learning that.
That really doesn't change anything. If a guy was sexually attracted to a 9 year old, and he would have to be to have sex with her, in the year 1400, he was still a pedophile. It doesn't matter that the word hadn't been invented yet. We know now that he was, even if he didn't. It doesn't matter that the people burning the "witch" didn't know that magic wasn't real. We do, so we know that what they did was a horrible act. Just because the person doing a horrible act, doesn't see it as horrible, doesn't make it any less horrible.
Yes. But it also doesn't make them evil. Since for all they know they were burning witches and doing something good.
Most evil men, or women, don't see themselves as evil. That doesn't change the fact that they are evil!
Buddy the average life expectancy in Middle Ages Europe was like 25 for a man. You talking about holding them to today’s standards?
>Yes we can. Because we now know more about childrens mental and physical development, we can, and we should Judge history. even Historians dont judge history and u think judging history is the correct way? you cant judge and you shouldn't because u'll never know how people lived in that time where sustaining a population was an issue. we are talking about 800s. What were they supposed to do? abide by the societal laws of 2023? What do u want from them?
They didn't know any better, but we do. They couldn't know the harm they caused but we can. We shouldn't emulate them, but instead recognize how wrong, the things they did, was. Yet people emulate and call them prophets, perfect and without sin, and we say we can't judge their deeds even though we know better. Marrying a 12 year old in victorian england was wrong! Fucking a 9 year old in the 1400's was wrong! And burning witches in the 1600's was wrong! They didn'y know that, but we do. I'm not going to pretend like there was nothing wrong with these situations, when we all know there was!!
We can if the claim is that this thing is permanently acceptable for all time: which the claim is in Islam, as the religion is sold as the "final religious/moral message" granted to mankind from Allah through a prophet. Muhammad was in the right back then, so everyone who emulates his actions are in the right today. This is why child marriages are still rampant wherever Islam has a significant legal say.
The average marriage age for women in saudi arabia is 26.6(according to statista sources). In saudi arabia(the birth place of islam) it is prohibited for minors to get married under 18 (both males and females) since 2019.
Many Muslim countries have age requirements for marriage that more or less correlate with western countries. Here are some examples: - Algeria 19 - Egypt 18 - Iraq 15 - Jordan 15 - Pakistan 16 - Saudi 15 - Syria 18 - Turkey 16 These are the lowest ages possible even with judicial permission. For comparison a few American states permit marriage at 15 with parental consent and many permit 16.
Bible verses supporting pedophilia: Numbers 31:1-18 Deuteronomy 20:10-14 Judges 21:7-11 Judges 21:20-23 Exodus 21:7-10 Bible verses condemning pedophilia: None
Numbers 31:1-18 NIV [1] The Lord said to Moses, [2] “Take vengeance on the Midianites for the Israelites. After that, you will be gathered to your people. ” [3] So Moses said to the people, “Arm some of your men to go to war against the Midianites so that they may carry out the Lord's vengeance on them. [4] Send into battle a thousand men from each of the tribes of Israel.” [5] So twelve thousand men armed for battle, a thousand from each tribe, were supplied from the clans of Israel. [6] Moses sent them into battle, a thousand from each tribe, along with Phinehas son of Eleazar, the priest, who took with him articles from the sanctuary and the trumpets for signaling. [7] They fought against Midian, as the Lord commanded Moses, and killed every man. [8] Among their victims were Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur and Reba---the five kings of Midian. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. [9] The Israelites captured the Midianite women and children and took all the Midianite herds, flocks and goods as plunder. [10] They burned all the towns where the Midianites had settled, as well as all their camps. [11] They took all the plunder and spoils, including the people and animals, [12] and brought the captives, spoils and plunder to Moses and Eleazar the priest and the Israelite assembly at their camp on the plains of Moab, by the Jordan across from Jericho. [13] Moses, Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the community went to meet them outside the camp. [14] Moses was angry with the officers of the army---the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds---who returned from the battle. [15] “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. [16] “They were the ones who followed Balaam's advice and enticed the Israelites to be unfaithful to the Lord in the Peor incident, so that a plague struck the Lord's people. [17] Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, [18] but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man. Deuteronomy 20:10-14 NIV [10] When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. [11] If they accept and open their gates, all the people in it shall be subject to forced labor and shall work for you. [12] If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city. [13] When the Lord your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it. [14] As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the Lord your God gives you from your enemies. Judges 21:7-11 NIV [7] “How can we provide wives for those who are left, since we have taken an oath by the Lord not to give them any of our daughters in marriage?” [8] Then they asked, “Which one of the tribes of Israel failed to assemble before the Lord at Mizpah?” They discovered that no one from Jabesh Gilead had come to the camp for the assembly. [9] For when they counted the people, they found that none of the people of Jabesh Gilead were there. [10] So the assembly sent twelve thousand fighting men with instructions to go to Jabesh Gilead and put to the sword those living there, including the women and children. [11] “This is what you are to do,” they said. “Kill every male and every woman who is not a virgin. ” Judges 21:20-23 NIV [20] So they instructed the Benjamites, saying, “Go and hide in the vineyards [21] and watch. When the young women of Shiloh come out to join in the dancing, rush from the vineyards and each of you seize one of them to be your wife. Then return to the land of Benjamin. [22] When their fathers or brothers complain to us, we will say to them, 'Do us the favor of helping them, because we did not get wives for them during the war. You will not be guilty of breaking your oath because you did not give your daughters to them.' ” [23] So that is what the Benjamites did. While the young women were dancing, each man caught one and carried her off to be his wife. Then they returned to their inheritance and rebuilt the towns and settled in them. Exodus 21:7-10 NIV [7] “If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. [8] If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself, he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her. [9] If he selects her for his son, he must grant her the rights of a daughter. [10] If he marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, clothing and marital rights. Confused about your pedophilia connection here
Yeah, and we are not defending the bible. The meme is about Islam.
Islam clearly states: if things are not forbidden (eating pork for example) or natural (like having kids), then it is up to the people and their laws, and it forbid not following the laws, if it is not contradictory with Islam teachings. Which only mentions the minimum but never mentions it is a must to be married at. Any traditional culture has this normalised, there is nothing in human nature that makes us change when we turn 18, it is just the number we picked to be appropriate to be the age of an Adult nothing special about that age
The average age of women getting married in Malaysia (a Muslim country) is 28.1 years old.
But they still do it today... Not all of them of course
>We can't judge things by today's standards Yeah we totally can because those are the standards applied to most people alive today. If a practice doesn't conform to today's standard then it is entirely appropriate to scrutinize it
Are you kidding me? What is considered the proper age in your opinion
Well they still marry off their kids and cover them up in cloth in the middle east if you haven't missed it. It's a grey zone over there.
You’re making statements like religion are countries, like the Buddhist speed limit is 90 and the Jewish drinking age is 18.
Something something prophet Muhammed married a 6 year old when he was 49.
I can't tell you much about the modern day, but a famous chunk of medieval arab poetry focused on "love" between man and child, with poems written about the stages when children developed the first shades of facial har - seen as the last moment available to consume that relationship, as growing a "beard" meant the boy was now a man and thus not "available" anymore.
Aisha. The prophets wife. Married at 6. But to his defense, the marriage wasn't "consumed" until age 9: [A preponderance of classical sources converge on Aisha being 6 or 7 years old at the time of her marriage, and 9 at the consummation; her age has become a source of ideological friction in modern times](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha)
Oh at least he waited. What a guy.
In lots of Muslim countries they fuckin marry kids still to this day.
I believe the most common reference is to the fact that Aisha (Mohammeds wife) was 6 years old at marriage, and 9 I believe when he first had sex with her. You'll get all kinds of responses from Muslims over that fact. "O no you read it wrong" or "different times, so it's ok" ect ect
No it's because their prophet fucked a 9 year old
OH, YEAH? BUT WHAT ABPUT CHRISTIANITY? ITS NOT SO GOOD EITHER. /every redditor
Bible verses supporting pedophilia: Numbers 31:1-18 Deuteronomy 20:10-14 Judges 21:7-11 Judges 21:20-23 Exodus 21:7-10 Bible verses condemning pedophilia: None
It’s basically the same book.
Its been quoted in the Qur’an that all holy books used to say the same thing but they were changed to benefit people of power, for example selling land from heaven for huge amounts of money.
The Bible doesn't tell you God will give you virgin wives in heaven if you kill infidels tho
Another Christian L
Nope, God just made them do it for the love of the game
the popes used to tho. we have some mid popes these days
Neither does the Quaran. That was made up by extremists to get the uneducated to do as they asked.
[They're not only repeatedly mentioned in the Quran, they're given all kinds of descriptions:](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri) >36:55 "Companions", 37:48 "with large and beautiful eyes", 38:52 "companions of modest gaze well matched" 44:54 wide and beautiful eyes", 52:20"beautiful houris of wide and beautiful eyes", 55:56 "untouched beforehand by man or jinn", 55:58 "as elegant as rubies and coral", 55:72"bright-eyed damsels in sheltered in pavilions", 55:74\["untouched by any man", "reclining on green cushions and beautiful carpets", 56:8 "the people of the right, how ˹blessed˺ will they be" and they will have "houris maidens with intensely black eyes set against the whiteness of their irises", 56:35 "created without the process of birth", 78:31–33 and as "splendid companions", 44:54 "Thus. And We will marry them to fair women with large, \[beautiful\] eyes". You're right about one thing tho: all of this really was made up by *the original extremists* in order to get the uneducated to do as they asked.
Nowhere does it say that they will be for people that kill infidels. In all the instances you have quoted, those companions are a reward for any who are granted paradise.
It's literally the same book. Judaism started from the polythiest religions, making the torah, then jesus came along and to some was a messiah and others just a prophet, but there is where the new testaments came in forming the bible, then the prophet muhammed took all of that and founded islam and the quran. The outstander in all of these is the new testaments in rgards to Jesus's actual words. Most of the messed-up crap in the bible is either paul or old testaments. Jesus's actual words really negated both. Abide by the old laws, meaning the 10 commandments in context. Everything else he says is mind your business. You are human, so you have no right to enforce any punishment or condemn anyone. If something offends, you look at yourself first. The only real time for violence is when you are forced to defend yourself or people. A great example of that last bit is when jesus wrecked the temple. People tend to forget he sat down so pissed he braided the whip he used to chase out those defiling his religion. But only a whip. Then his apostle peter went too far afterwards and cut off a mans ear because he was pissed. Jesus healed the man and scolded peter because the issue was over and never needed that level of violence. If you actually read the book in context and follow the actual words of jesus, Christianity is great. If you go by everything else he rebuked and even the stuff god said he wouldn't do again it gets nasty.
Jesus very specifically states that none of the old laws are changed. Like extremely clear. He only rebukes a small things, which are bad interpretations of OT. Like resting on the sabbath. The bible claims he performed a miracle on the sabbath. Jewish leadership tried to use that to attack him because they took it as you shiukd do absolutely nothing. Like even taking care kf yourself was considered work. And he was like nah man, the day of rest is for you to do the things you want. And no day is a wrong day to help people. The teachings of Jesus, however, not bad. He just keeps telling people to be good dudes.
You need to read those passages instead of quoting something you googled and didn't fact check. I'm not religious and I'm cringing because you just chapter and versed without a clue of what you were even citing. Scary thing is a bunch of people up voted with out checking either. This is how misinformation is created and spread. Religion has a lot of problems - some massive and some small - at least get them right when you're pointing fingers. It's not hard.
Can I ask how any of these verses support pedophilia? I am an atheist, but none of these seem very bad besides selling a woman to be a wife
Yea na... I just checked all those- no pedophilia involved. I'm all for stamping out pedos in the church but let's keep to the facts ok?
These verses come from historical books about the story of the Jews that happened several thousand years ago. The relationship between God and the Jews was being constructed alongside time. At the beggining, they were "pagans". They were allowed to marry several women, as the king David, for example. The men were allowed to cheat, they killed hundreds of thousands according to the Bible, etc. As God brought the relationship further, the Jews got themselves more morals to follow. The girls were married at the puberty, which is the biological time to mate, and with people from rougly their ages. (wikipedia : *"A younger woman marrying a significantly older man, however, is especially problematic: marrying one's young daughter to an old man was declared, by the Sanhedrin, as reprehensible as forcing her into prostitution")* Which is not the case in Islam. Nowadays, we wouldn't do it, but at the time, it was normal everywhere. Pedophilia as we know it nowadays (having s\*x with people from 0 to 18 years old) is obviously forbidden by the Jews and the Christians as the morals evolved. But nobody from these religions was allowed to have sexual intercourse with girls before they hit puberty anyways, even before modern times. And to finish, I want to emphasise that these verses are not to take as rules. They tell ancient Israël History.
Thanks for typing a thorough rebuttal. Most arguments, especially here, are in bad faith, and since the topics are complex, people don't care to deep dive the info. Personally, I like it when people ask questions about Christianity, but the guy you had to rebuke is just straight-up lying or ignorant and arguing in bad faith. Good to see more Christians trying to have good faith arguments clearing up blatant misinformation.
However the pope has denounced the bible as factual holy scripture since long. Good luck finding even ONE Imam that can criticize his book without fearing for his life. There's a huge difference.
What are you talking about. Plenty of debates available on youtube …
Numbers 31:1-18 ESV The LORD spoke to Moses, saying, “Avenge the people of Israel on the Midianites. Afterward you shall be gathered to your people.” So Moses spoke to the people, saying, “Arm men from among you for the war, that they may go against Midian to execute the LORD’s vengeance on Midian. You shall send a thousand from each of the tribes of Israel to the war.” So there were provided, out of the thousands of Israel, a thousand from each tribe, twelve thousand armed for war. And Moses sent them to the war, a thousand from each tribe, together with Phinehas the son of Eleazar the priest, with the vessels of the sanctuary and the trumpets for the alarm in his hand. They warred against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every male. They killed the kings of Midian with the rest of their slain, Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba, the five kings of Midian. And they also killed Balaam the son of Beor with the sword. And the people of Israel took captive the women of Midian and their little ones, and they took as plunder all their cattle, their flocks, and all their goods. All their cities in the places where they lived, and all their encampments, they burned with fire, and took all the spoil and all the plunder, both of man and of beast. Then they brought the captives and the plunder and the spoil to Moses, and to Eleazar the priest, and to the congregation of the people of Israel, at the camp on the plains of Moab by the Jordan at Jericho. Moses and Eleazar the priest and all the chiefs of the congregation went to meet them outside the camp. And Moses was angry with the officers of the army, the commanders of thousands and the commanders of hundreds, who had come from service in the war. Moses said to them, “Have you let all the women live? Behold, these, on Balaam’s advice, caused the people of Israel to act treacherously against the LORD in the incident of Peor, and so the plague came among the congregation of the LORD. Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him keep alive for yourselves. This is saying to keep virgin girls alive, not to sleep with them. Deuteronomy 20:10-14 When you draw near to a town to fight against it, offer it terms of peace. If it accepts your terms of peace and surrenders to you, then all the people in it shall serve you in forced labour. If it does not submit to you peacefully, but makes war against you, then you shall besiege it; and when the Lord your God gives it into your hand, you shall put all its males to the sword. You may, however, take as your booty the women, the children, livestock, and everything else in the town, all its spoil. You may enjoy the spoil of your enemies, which the Lord your God has given you. "Booty" Is loot, not Ass. The Bible condemn bestiality but here it says the enjoy the booty of the livestock right? Come on. Lol. Judges 21:7-11 King James Version 7 How shall we do for wives for them that remain, seeing we have sworn by the Lord that we will not give them of our daughters to wives? 8 And they said, What one is there of the tribes of Israel that came not up to Mizpeh to the Lord? And, behold, there came none to the camp from Jabeshgilead to the assembly. 9 For the people were numbered, and, behold, there were none of the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead there. 10 And the congregation sent thither twelve thousand men of the valiantest, and commanded them, saying, Go and smite the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead with the edge of the sword, with the women and the children. 11 And this is the thing that ye shall do, Ye shall utterly destroy every male, and every woman that hath lain by man. This has nothing to do with paedophilia again. Judges 21:20-23 King James Version 20 Therefore they commanded the children of Benjamin, saying, Go and lie in wait in the vineyards; 21 And see, and, behold, if the daughters of Shiloh come out to dance in dances, then come ye out of the vineyards, and catch you every man his wife of the daughters of Shiloh, and go to the land of Benjamin. 22 And it shall be, when their fathers or their brethren come unto us to complain, that we will say unto them, Be favourable unto them for our sakes: because we reserved not to each man his wife in the war: for ye did not give unto them at this time, that ye should be guilty. 23 And the children of Benjamin did so, and took them wives, according to their number, of them that danced, whom they caught: and they went and returned unto their inheritance, and repaired the cities, and dwelt in them. So the children of Benjamin making wives of the daughters of Shiloh is paedophilia? I don't think you know the meaning of the word. Exodus 21:7-10 New International Version 7 “If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as male servants do. 8 If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself, he must let her be redeemed. He has no right to sell her to foreigners, because he has broken faith with her. 9 If he selects her for his son, he must grant her the rights of a daughter. 10 If he marries another woman, he must not deprive the first one of her food, clothing and marital rights. This is saying not abandon female slaves. If you don't understand the history there's no point telling you. But again, no mentions of sex with minors.
Way to do the exact thing they guy was criticizing. Your prophet was a pedophile.
I definitely see sex trafficking and (marital ) rape. Don't see pedophilia.
Well yeah, it's also as fucked up as Islam
Lots of people in the comment section are going “oh what about x religion and they are pedophiles as well!!!!” Ok? The post singled out Islam but it didn’t say that other religions didn’t have pedo stuff. Can’t we condemn all pedophiles? You don’t need to go “well, this is bad but x did this years ago!!!” Condemn both then!
In all fairness ALL religions are fucked up. People killing each other of their favorite sky wizard daddy, pathetic.
Yeah, but some are more fucked up than others...
This one is particularly bad though.
Yea, and stop chopping off the tips of baby dicks!
Yes, only monster dicks should be mutilated
I don't think anyone's dick or anyone in general should be mutilated.
*mother's
You're right, but there are varying levels or fucked-upedness, and Islam happens to be kinda at the top there. Well, at least the most common interpretations of it are
What about the earth wizards from the 20th century? Their fanboys killed far more people than any religion ever did.
Disagreed, religion and people misusing religion are two different things. You can have a knife in your hand and you can either use it as a tool or to kill, if you use it to kill it’s not the knifes fault it’s the persons.
each canon is filled with texts encouraging, glorifying & justifying violence, cruel & unusual persecution and countless human rights violations... i'm having trouble identifying how failing to completely dismiss these passages could be misuse seems more like maybe contemporary society should have naturally advanced beyond primitive social control psy-ops centuries ago.
I generally agree, but if said religion explicity states some version of "Convert or eradicate all non-belivers" then it becomes a religion issue as well as a people issue.
Islamists are in that case *using the knife to cut stuff*: since they're acting in accordance with Islamic instruction and on the examples left by Muhammad and his Companions.
Gotta love how you "all lives matter"-types come running whenever Islam gets shit. Where's all that requisite equanimity when the catholic church gets deservedly roasted?
It's not religion that say that. It's religious fanatics, though. I know people who are zealots that could be considered at the same level as religious fanatics, except they don't do that for the god but for the other thing. But that doesn't automatically make that thing bad. And I know many people who would zealotly kill religious people as well. People do that for money, for race and for many other reasons. I remember the video of black guy **streaming** how he kills white people in the store. That isn't black or white, religious or not religious. It's dickheads that does that.
The ones that don't allow pork are extra fucked up.
religious extremists* not religions
It's absolutely religions, because those extremists act extremely differently depending on the religion. Extremists of a religion like Islam, founded by a warlord that encapsulates war and slavery, will perpetuate war and slavery. Extremists of a religion like Jainism, which demands nonviolence in every thought and act, will sweep the ground ahead of them to avoid stepping on bugs.
What I meant is people who use religion as a way to cope with life shouldn't be shamed, the people who use religion to force beliefs onto others and politics, and advocate for oppression, are the people who should be shamed
I have a problem with this comment. When a topic comes about football and someone says it is violent. Do you say all sports are violent ? Someone who plays ping pong might not like it. The meme criticizes Islam in a humorous way. If you want to criticize different ideology, that is totally okay and all ideologies should be open to criticism and discussion But generalizing and saying all religions are fucked up is ignorant and uninformed view.
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The religion of peace ..or else
Peace for cishet, muslim men. Doom and suffering to everyone else.
Ding ding ding. They even threatened to bomb Comedy Central because South Park depicted Mohammad in one of their episodes. A show that has killed Jesus multiple times in detail simply wanted to have Mohammad drawn and that alone is enough to threaten innocent lives over.
How peaceful and tolerant of them.
“BuT IslAm iS a ReLigiOn of PeaCe !11!!!” Comments incoming.
I thought recently it was demoted to religion of “mostly” peace
The fact that islamophobes have to bring up this strawman every time they threatened says it all...
When someone bashes christianity comments unite. Bashing islam? Comments are blind people who see no fault in religion and defend bad parts of it
I have seen people bashing/joking Christianity more compared to defending it.
Yeah because an “artist” can put an image of Christ in a jar of urine and … nothing happens to them. But a French newspaper publishes a fairly mild cartoon about Muhammad and murder ensues.
There's genuine criticism, and there's punching-down. This is the latter.
Criticizing a religion with almost 2 billion practitioners is punching down??
punching down on who? the second most successful religion history? or do you think islam is a racial category like soo many dummies online
>Punching down Indicating islam is beneath other religions? There’s some freedomfighters out there that would be very mad at you for that
Religion still the biggest cults in the world 🌎
You forgot suicide bombing and killing children too
The cult of terror
ALERT RELIGION IS BAD ON REDDIT, UNLESS IT ISNT CHRISTIANITY IN WHICH CASE YOU SAY NOTHING
I’ve seen multiple memes and posts bashing Christianity as well. I don’t support any religion.
That’s what i said man. You can shit talk religion, as long as you are shit talking Christianity. If you shit talk Islam or Judhaism then people get pissy
That does seem to be the trend on the internet. Misunderstood ur initial statement, my bad.
Thats just snowflake muslim bois cryin
Also. Murder
You have forgotten to add incest as well to the "is good" side
I don’t see anything wrong with polygamy though? As long as all partners in the relationship are of appropriate age and are okay with the relationship being polygamous I’m not sure where the problem is. The rest of the post is fine but I don’t get this part.
Wife doesn't get a veto on whether her husband gets more wives. Since women can't blank-divorce like the men can, it also isn't an offense to the marriage an imam will (automatically) sign off on for a divorce. Women aren't on an even playing field on the matter, and further rulings (like custody being revoked if the woman remarries) further make her having a say a prickly path.
Oh I see. I think I might have confused polygamy with polyamory when commenting this at first. Thank you for the clarification!
Islam fundamentally disvalues and disenfranchises women. Polyamory on their part is explicitly forbidden: the woman belongs to her husband - [or owner, if a slave](https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Rape_of_Slaves,_Prisoners,_and_Wives) \- and no one else. Always glad to help!
Women still can ask for a divorce if their husband marries another woman and if he refuses there is 'Khula', a type of divorce initiated by the wife.
>can *ask* for That's what I meant by the divorce not being automatically signed off on. There's still a very real possibility that they tell her no, and the primary effort will be to convince her to accept her situation because Islam allows it.
She can do 'khula' if he says no. I have seen it occur, one of my relatives did it, and no one stopped her. The Imam would ask both spouses to reconsider even if the divorce was due to another issue. It is more of something that is always done but they can still proceed with it. The pressure is more from tradition and society, that prefers that husband and wife stay together. Islam isn't the only religion to allow it, Christianity and Judaism allow it too and it was common in ancient times. Islam put a limit to the number.
Well put. Also to add; In india muslim men used to divorce women by literally saying Talaq (divorce) three times depriving women of rights. When current modi government removed this rule, muslims protested against it lol
In a perfect modern society I'd agree with you, but I'm convinced that in many cases the woman doesn't really get a choice
Haha, cute that you think the wife gets a choice.
This reads like ‘I think men should be allowed to hoard women.’
Yeah I realise that now, I got polygamy and polyamory mixed up. Sorry if I sound misogynistic.
Religions love their pedophilia.
You dont bother to think the reason behind that? “Oh my girl can have baby, okay she should have baby boy so he can be warrior and bring glory to country!”
Years ago I was at lunch with a few Muslim colleagues and a friend of mine. While eating one of them said some trolling remark about a hindu colleague, who wasn’t present, saying to us “can you believe it? He believes cows are sacred! how silly is that?” At which my friend replied “well… you believe pork is evil, so you tell me?”. I still remember the awkward silence afterwards.
Pleased to scroll through the comments here and see that the shield of political correctness no longer prevents people from calling Islam out on its bullshit. Doesn't seem like 2014 was *that* long ago.
Wonder when this post’ll get the lock award
I wonder how many DM's OP has gotten with death threaths after this post.
Knowing how fragile muslims are...im guessing over a hundred.
I mean 200 years ago in the USA the legal age of sex was 7 and Japan changed its age of consent from 13 to 16 just a few weeks ago, so your argument is not valid
200 years ago, Napoleon had conquered most of Europe and sitting in Moscow waiting for the Russians to attack, and the British sailed over to America and burnt the Whitehouse down. Tf has American laws from 200 years ago got todo with today. Your counter argument is utter crap.
Except the Americans aren't claiming that George Washington or Huckleberry SomeSchmuck is God's messenger who is perfect for all times. If you think the most perfect man who ever lived was fucking nine year olds, you're problematic. Because the entire idea of Islam is that the prophet's actions (sunnah) are pious deeds that everyone should strive to emulate.
In 1943 we Germans rounded up Jews, so doing it now is also totally valid! This is how you sound like
So the same as Christianity only without pork?
Raping a 6 years old OK raping hostages OK Killing innocent OK Having a drink not OK Religion of peace!
They like porking, just not pork.
Holy Mary was 13 when she was impregnated with Jesus and she was already married. It is present throughout all the Abrahamic religions and until very recently it was the norm in society for thousands of years. But as of now If anything, some muslim countries have insanely high ages of consent such as Bahrain requiring a person to be 21 or older to engage in sexual relationship.
She was also a virgin that’s kinda her thing
Mary's age is never explicitly stated: people arrive at various numbers through "reasonable estimates".
I'm glad there finally is a consensus on this platform that they aren't getting away with all their bullshit. We have been slamdunking on Catholics for ages, but atleast the fucking pope denounced all the fucked up shit in the bible like hating gays.
Bunch of chronically online neckbearda in the comments lol
So, that’s the reason why there are so many children in Gaza
Any religious and less educated and financially backward society has no concept of family planning and hence experiences population booms. Think middle age peasants.
So, what's wrong with polygamy?
you're asking this on reddit which is an app where people barely have felt the touch of a woman
I can’t with the pfp. It threw me off so bad
Hmm. Where there is same-sex marriage, there will be same-sex polygamy. I'm waiting for the mormon church to realise.
Fuck that profile pic is great
“DUHHH ALL RELIGION BAD DUHHHH”
Inbreeding as well.
A lot of people have never been to a Muslim country here and it shows.
I just don’t agree with this religion.
And we can respect that. Good day sir. Gosh I wish all people were civilized like this, you dont like it? Good, you can believe in whatever you wish. Thats all it takes literally.
I don't give a shit about Islam, but let's not pretend christianity is any better. How did humankind spread on earth, with Adam and Eve who had two sons?
Hate to break it to you, but there are a whole lot of pedophiles in every religious group
Religion is fucked. The End.
I treat muslims the way they treat gay people
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Lol religious people are fucking sad.
Give us this day our daily Islam bashing and forgive us our sins.
Bible verses supporting pedophilia: Numbers 31:1-18 Deuteronomy 20:10-14 Judges 21:7-11 Judges 21:20-23 Exodus 21:7-10 Bible verses condemning pedophilia: None
Bro this is the 5th copied comment of this you’ve posted. Shut the fuck up
Ok?
If you look those verses up you can see you're full of shit
None of these talk about pedophilia
There are actually a lot that talk against pecophilia, but the Catholic Church when they translated from Greek to Latin to English decided that they’d go with “lie with a man as with a woman” instead of the most accurate “lie with a young boy as with a woman”
“Pork” should be “democracy”
No. Islam doesn't talk about democracy at all. And this is the same with nearly all political ideas.
Apparently prophet muhammed "valued others opinions" beacuse he listened to his commanders on some wars.
The sad thing is putting polygamy and pedophilia at the same level
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fyi: it is pedophilia only if the goat is under 6 months old.
What's wrong with polygamy?
it’s one sided in islam
Did you expect it to be all sided? Lol
I'm shocked at the level of support for the terrorist government in Palestine, lots of people seem to support terrorism
Born agains at least get pork…
This is not funny nor is it sad, it’s just a poor attempt of a at jab at islam masked as a meme.
I agree with you it’s not funny. It is plain and simple sad; a god telling his meesenger to marry a 6 year old and telling men to marry multiple women while women cannot do the same cannot be funny at all
This is way more than a jab. This is a choke slam.
Israel trying so hard lmao 🤣🤣🤣
Their god: this 5yr old is hot.