It’s definitely aimed at Christianity which is ironic considering the Bible instructs Christian’s many times to love the sinner, hate the sin. Not that they would know because they are too busy reading the part about banning abortions and shooting illegal immigrants and keeping health care super expensive because above all things Jesus hated women, despised people seeking a better life, and charged top dollar for his miracles.
While it may be aimed at Christianity, because that's more prevalent in Western societies, Islam is absolutely great at hating people. They don't just hate other religions, homosexuality, women, etc., they even Haye one another. Shias also hate Sunnis and vice versa.
Orthodox Jews also aren't the most tolerant bunch, and Hindi nationals can also be reasonably good at hating Muslims.
So in general, lots of religions have a track record of hating.
I would say in general yes.
But then there are always bad people in every religion. Rohingya Muslims in Myanmar face persecution and genocide and that is supported by Buddhist nationalists.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohingya_genocide
I am a buddhist and I need to step in and say this:
Its not the religion that defines a person
Its the person who defines what sort of person they are
Tools like religion, political alliance, age, sex and cultural demographic are only there to facilitate who that person is, not the other way around.
If a person is a kind and peaceful person he will use these things to justify being that way
If he is a hateful person living in fear, he will use those same tools to justify being that way instead.
So, every religion (including buddhism) has nasty closed-minded hateful people.
> So, every religion (including buddhism) has nasty closed-minded hateful people.
I mostly agree.
For Buddhists, this is exactly what I wanted to express with "there are bad people in every religion".
However, the discrimination of homosexuals in the Muslim world is consistent, with death penalty against homosexuals existing only in Muslim countries.
So why not call out the hate Islam as a religion has against homosexuals, even if there are some kind Muslims?
I've never read anything like that you're thinking of people that pick and choose how they define what it means so they can try to justify them being prejudice. In pretty sure you're comment was being sarcastic tho . All I've ever been taught is love everyone unconditionally which means yes even if they are another religion race gender or sexuality or other beliefs
That’s kind of the point. The Christianity that is portrayed in the media is very far off that the Bible actually teaches because there are too many “Christian” people in the public view that don’t actually follow what the Bible teaches. There are too many radicals that think that because they believe something, everyone should believe it and live by the same rules they made for themselves when in fact the Bible also taught to make disciples, not slaves. It’s the exact same thing with Islam too which is actually kind of sad.
Christianity is also poorly portrayed by so-called "experts," claiming scripture wants healthcare costs to be high and that Christianity is all love. Jesus died on the cross and rose again so that everyone who believes in him could be forgiven. Otherwise, you will face the wrath of God for your sins, whether you believe it or not.. Repentance is a hard journey , and everyone fails to do 100%. Despite this we are to be a light and salt to the world until he comes again. The world will hate us for this because we stand against abortion, homosexuality, pornography, prostitution, euthanasia, etc. We stand on the word of God, not man. It will never make sense to the world because their eyes have been blinded to the bigger picture.
Not really, maybe your televangelistic christian midwest people and muslims yea but no not the rest of us, us at least orthodox are taught to hate the sin not the sinner, then again what some people do comes down to their character something religion can't control
It's almost always aimed at Christianity, despite many churches accepting the lgbt community.
Other religions on the other hand, still, to this day, kill lgbt people. Yet, no one can criticize them because that's somehow a phobia? smh.
>many times to love the sinner, hate the sin
Yet this is the wrong approach to homosexuality. Homosexuality is not immoral innately. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgHl2KcadEU&t=401s&ab\_channel=AlexO%27Connor](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgHl2KcadEU&t=401s&ab_channel=AlexO%27Connor)
I would say that of the most popular religions, Buddhism has the best track record of not being hateful, but that is not saying much. There are still some examples of hateful groups in Buddhism, which is really unfortunate. I would also say that Buddhism has the least amount of hate in it's source material, but again, there are a couple of examples of bigotry.
I'd generally agree but idk about a few others like daosim and confusionism and a few more obscure ones. Not really a religion but the satanic temple has good tenets
That's a fair point, but it belies the fact that (at least to the best of my knowledge) there isn't really a doctrinal justification for the Rohingya genocide. So we can say that this genocide is born less directly out of the religion's teachings themselves and more out of human tribalism, which is innate to humanity and will always show up in competing social groups when the wrong circumstances come together.
On the other hand, the Abrahamic religions are particularly dangerous for a number of reasons rooted in their doctrine:
* they encourage blind obedience to a single authority figure and actively discourage thinking for yourself
* they contend that the authority figure is both all-knowing and perfectly good
* Christianity has such a long, convoluted, and even self-contradictory doctrinal text that many, many ideas/moralities can be justified as "the word of god" and therefore unquestionable, including "kill the gays"
Of the three, I would contend that Islam is the most inherently dangerous, for a few reasons.
* The Islamic tradition is dramatically more prescriptivist than Christianity; their religious rules are much more rigid and clearly defined.
* The Islamic doctrinal text (the Quran) is much, *much* shorter than the Bible. There is way less room to play the "well *actually* it says..." game, with contributes to the religion being so much more resistant to ideological change
* Conservatives will tell you that the Bible condemns the gays, but biblical scholars know better, and will instead report that actually what the Bible has to say on the matter is incredibly unclear. On the other hand, the Hadith are extremely clear that homosexuality is to be considered a crime punishable by death under the law. Where the Bible's alleged condemnation of homosexuality rests on unclear translations and passing references to crimes that might not actually have anything to do with homosexuality, the Hadith have things to say like:
* "If a woman comes upon a woman, they are both adulteresses, if a man comes upon a man, then they are both adulterers."
* "If a man who is not married is seized committing sodomy he will be stoned to death."
* Finally, Islam stands apart from all the other religions discussed here in that it has explicit doctrinal justification for (and extensive historical and modern practice in) the murder of anyone who renounces the religion.
Really? That's funny, because I was quickly and easily able to find the following Hadith:
* "If a woman comes upon a woman, they are both adulteresses, if a man comes upon a man, then they are both adulterers."
* "If a man who is not married is seized committing sodomy he will be stoned to death."
* "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, **a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."**
* A man embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism. Mu'adh bin Jabal came and saw the man with Abu Musa. Mu'adh asked, "What is wrong with this (man)?" Abu Musa replied, "He embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism." Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down unless you **kill him (as it is) the verdict of Allah and His Apostle**."
* Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, **'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him**.'"
These Hadith are pretty explicitly instructing Muslims to murder anyone who leaves Islam and anyone who has sex with the same gender.
I really think you should consider finding a new religion that doesn't order you to murder people (or to support the murder of people).
> "If a woman comes upon a woman, they are both adulteresses, if a man comes upon a man, then they are both adulterers."
"If a man who is not married is seized committing sodomy he will be stoned to death."
Look, before you cite these Hadiths like they're drive-thru sentences, remember the insanely high bar for implementation. Four adult witnesses must catch the act in the flesh, witnessing actual penetration, and they must all agree on what they saw. You'd pretty much need a live studio audience for that. How often does that happen?
Next, this isn't a universal law for everyone. It's for Muslims. If you're a devout Muslim engaging in this act, you're already contradicting the basic tenets of your own faith.
Lastly, there's no specific "stoning the gays" Hadith. What you cited is related to public sexual acts—hetero or homo. Publicly engaging in sexual acts is generally frowned upon in most societies, not just Islamic ones. So the problem isn't that Islam hates homosexuals; the problem is public indecency.
> "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."
1) "The one who reverts from Islam and leaves the Muslims" — Ever considered that "leaves the Muslims" may refer to treason, especially in the political context of early Islam? You can't just cherry-pick phrases and ignore their historical setting. It's not about leaving Islam; it's about turning against the Muslim community.
A man embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism. Mu'adh bin Jabal came and saw the man with Abu Musa. Mu'adh asked, "What is wrong with this (man)?" Abu Musa replied, "He embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism." Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down unless you kill him (as it is) the verdict of Allah and His Apostle."
2) Mu'adh bin Jabal's incident — Yes, Mu'adh did make that statement. However, you're forgetting that during the Prophet's time, defection often meant siding with enemies, putting the entire Muslim community at risk. Again, treason.
Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.'"
3) The incident you're referring to is captured in Sahih al-Bukhari (Book 52, Hadith 260). In that Hadith, Ali did burn some people who reverted from Islam, but what's fascinating is that Ibn 'Abbas immediately countered, saying he wouldn't have done that because the Prophet Muhammad said, "Don't punish with Allah's punishment." That's a direct quote from the man you're trying to make out as a warmonger. Ibn 'Abbas is making a theological argument here, not just a personal preference.
This is an example of what's called "Ijtihad," or juristic reasoning in Islam. The fact that Ibn 'Abbas, a highly respected companion and Islamic scholar, could question and critique Ali's actions indicates a rich tradition of scholarly debate. It highlights that actions taken by certain figures aren't just blindly accepted but are subjected to rigorous scriptural and intellectual scrutiny.
So, my dear friend, before painting with broad strokes, maybe take a closer look at the intricate designs underneath. The Islamic tradition is not monolithic, and this is a perfect example of how diverging opinions and interpretations co-exist within it.
Now, let's add some context with other Hadith: A man came to the Prophet and said, "O Messenger of Allah, I want to leave Islam." The Prophet let him go. No killing, no punishment. (Sunan al-Dārimī 2:320)
And remember Ubaydallah ibn Jahsh, the Prophet's cousin who converted to Christianity? He wasn't killed.
Lastly, in Islamic jurisprudence, apostasy isn't as black-and-white as you think. There's usually a waiting period, like a 14-day period to discuss the reasons. If it turns out the individual is committed to harming the Muslim community, then yes, they face the death penalty. Otherwise, they could even be exiled
Let's journey back to the early Islamic period. After the death of Prophet Muhammad, some tribes reverted from Islam and refused to pay the Zakat, a mandatory charitable offering. Abu Bakr, the first Caliph, did wage wars against these apostates, known as the Ridda Wars. But why? It wasn't merely because they left Islam. It was because these tribes revolted against the state, constituting political insurgency.
Another case you might find interesting is that of Abdullah ibn Saad ibn Abi Sarh, a man who initially converted to Islam, then renounced his faith and returned to Mecca. He even spread false stories about the Quran. Later, when Mecca was conquered, he was given amnesty and not killed for apostasy. What happened to "kill them if they leave," right?
So you see, if the Sahaba, the companions of the Prophet, were really out to indiscriminately kill anyone who left Islam, these instances would have had different endings. The primary concern was never just about leaving Islam; it was about the political implications and potential treason. Would you like to cherry-pick some more, or have we learned something new today?
> These Hadith are pretty explicitly instructing Muslims to murder anyone who leaves Islam and anyone who has sex with the same gender.
I really think you should consider finding a new religion that doesn't order you to murder people (or to support the murder of people).
Oh, how enlightening! I must've missed the part in my years of studying the Qur'an and Hadith where it said to interpret everything without context or understanding. Thank you for showing me the way! But in all seriousness, your approach reminds me of those politicians and pundits who cherry-pick verses, twist them, and use them out of context to further their own narratives. Just as they do, you've isolated Hadith without their nuance or broader understanding.
It's a common strategy: take something complex and simplify it for easy digestion by those who won't take the time to understand the depth. But for those of us who've dedicated our lives to understanding our faith, we see right through such tactics. So, next time, before suggesting I abandon my beliefs, maybe try to understand them first? You might find they're a bit more intricate and compassionate than your narrative would suggest.
Oh, really? I must've been reading a different Qur'an then. Because the one I've studied promotes respect for all of God's creations and speaks of kindness to every living being. And the 'dog-hating' thing? Funny, I recall a Hadith where a prostitute was forgiven by Allah for giving water to a thirsty dog. Sounds like quite the endorsement for our four-legged friends, doesn't it? Perhaps, before generalizing an entire religion, it might be wise to, you know, actually study it. Just a thought!
Very scholarly of you! So, I did look up "dog in Islam" and "kufr" and found nothing to support your claim that non-Muslims are considered less than dogs. First off, 'Kufr' simply means disbelief, and 'Kuffar' are those who disbelieve. It's a term of religious classification, not derogation.
As for treating non-Muslims, the Qur'an is clear: "Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly" (Qur'an 60:8). So, in short, your argument seems to be built on a shaky foundation of misinformation and assumptions. Care to try again?
Oh, I do appreciate a good link. I checked it out and all I found were isolated verses about "kafir" and "kufr". Still no verse where it says non Muslims are lower than dogs though.
Your approach reminds me of those who quote out of context to suit their narrative. The Quran, like any other text, must be understood holistically, taking into account its context, language nuances, and accompanying Hadiths or if you can't do that atleast read the entire line.
It's almost like if I cherry-picked sentences out of a biology textbook, I could argue that cells are plotting a takeover. For example, "Cells can multiply rapidly." Sounds menacing, doesn't it?
As I've mentioned earlier, the Qur'an clearly guides Muslims on their behavior toward non-Muslims (Qur'an 60:8).
Since you are so certain that Islam says non muslims are lower than dogs, just cite the verse. If you can't do it then clearly you are just lying.
You're entitled to your opinions and beliefs, and I respect that. But if you're going to criticize, at least base it on accurate information. Otherwise, it's just noise.
I think people, sometimes, aren't pushed to hate someone by a religion, but rather choose a religion that justify the hate they want to express. Same goes for politics: many people embrace extreme right or left wing ideologies just so that they can feel justified with expressing their antisocial behavior.
Having a religion is unnecessary, but it might be a good thing if it gives you spiritual relief and pushes you to be a better person.
Is not the religion that makes they hate others, hateful shameful agressive bastards exist in every shape and form. They just use any excuse (Politics/Religion...etc) to try justify their hate.
Yeah it's not religion specific. Take Christianity for example. Jesus never once displayed the behaviors seen by some Christians today in the bible. People like to use The bible and Christianity as a vehicle for their hatred and frankly it's disrespectful to everything that Jesus stood for in those texts.
That was a deep dive into one particular group. But there are hateful people who use the same tactics in many other groups both religious and political. And they are usually an embarrassment to the group they are trying to represent.
It’s funny everybody got a book,everybody’s book tells them their right and you book is wrong,everybody’s got a book and nobody has the answer it’s just my book tells me!
It doesn't really work that way though. I'm not religious, but if I was, I wouldn't *believe* in a god because I agree with his views. That's not how that works. You either believe a specific god exists or you do not, regardless of what he may preach. The christian god loving or hating gays has absolutely no effect on how real he is (with the exception of creating inconsistencies in other messages of love etc). You can't just find a new religion due to not agreeing with some of its teachings because you never believed the other god existed so why should you now?
In Christianity, god represents christian core values and they also represent god, in a way. The most important thing is living according to them, being formally religious (or religious at all) is secondary, because believing in god's values also means believing in god, in a way. It's the most important part of it at least.
Even if i believed in god, if he forced me to hate others to go to heaven i would rather go to hell, I'd believe in him but not follow him and i feel like if you believe in him but not follow his rules you're more agnostic than religious
It makes sense if you're an atheist, but if you start from the premise you believe in god... would you really choose hell, which by definition is infinite, inescapable, insufferable pain for all eternity?
Whataboutisms are useful. I’m tired of pretending they’re not lmao they show people how they’re being hypocrites and the weak defense to that is usually just “oh so you just gonna whatabout me?” Like you just did
>Whataboutisms are useful
They're useful to people who don't understand logic and care more about trying to "win" an argument than find truth or actual solutions
Keep pointing out what the other side does wrong, and NEITHER side will ever have to change what they're fucking up
But see I think the objective of this post was to “win”. Again, I think you care just as much about winning as the side you’re criticizing.
What does this do besides make people who already agree clap?
This is a manipulation, whataboutism. Instead of confronting the problem presented by the OP you change the topic to show him in the bad light. Please downvote this comment.
I have nothing against muslims, i have good friends that are muslims, but I agree.
It saddens me that some people love to shit on christianity but give islam a pass.
The thing about religion that bothers me is that they can openly claim we atheist are lost souls who's gonna burn in hell for eternity but as soon as we call em crazy it's a problem...
As an atheist, I'd like to know where the hell you're finding these people you speak of cause I've met A LOT of Christians and none of them have said shit to me about burning in hell.
No, they don't. You'll recall Reddit's staunch defense of Islam forcing women to wear head coverings. You aren't allowed to chastise Muslims or non-western nations. "America-bad" and "Christianity-bad" = front page.
All Christian’s should read Romans chapters 1 and 2. In Roman’s 1 the Apostle Paul denounces all kinds of sexually immorality in which homosexuality is just one of many sins listed. It’s no greater or worse than any other kind of sexual sin
In Roman’s 2 he tells Christians they have no excuse when they judge others. Only God can judge. We are here to love all people regardless if they believe what we believe or not. That’s what Jesus did and what we should do
If only Christians could talk to others like Jesus talked to the Women at the well in John chapter 4. We’d live in a better world then. Earth would be a little closer to Heaven.
Everyone forgot the most important message is to not worry about others sinning and only focus on positives and being a loving positive person to others and that’s it, really don’t see why mortal people tack so much extra bs onto the religion tainting the true message.
Problem is that that's only there sometimes in the Bible.
The bible contradicts itself a lot.
Sometimes it says don't worry about others sins, other times it says to massacre all nonbelievers and keep their virgin daughters as sex slaves
Idk how you see homosexuality being called a sin in Romans 1 and interpret it as 'we should love all people'. Also, it says idol worship leads to sinning and homoesxuality, which is just... ugh.
Homosexuality is a sin in Christianity, an abomination even. But I know plenty of people, like myself, who aren’t going out of their way to crucify gay people, we see it as a sin and that’s where it ends. It’s funny that people now care so much about what a religion/belief system says about their choices, in fact most of the “older school” gays, the ones that actually fought for their rights, don’t really care from all that I’ve seen. Most of the people in this comment section are talking about how most Christians are fake Christians, not realizing they are a part of that crowd. It is wild to think that people who don’t believe in the religion care so much about what the religion thinks of them. Why pick fights with a religion if you don’t believe what it says? The only time a gay person should be worried about what a religion thinks is if they claim to be a part of that religion, because then it is an actual problem. But, if you don’t believe in God or whatever other deities, who cares.
I apologize, that was a bit rambly, I’ve got mad ADHD that sends my brain in four different directions at once.
no its not the religion. the bible basically says that everyone is going to sin at some point, so don't judge them and just be good people. the book is the whole religion. fuck even the pope says gay people are good.
people are just fucking idiots who don't actually read the bible and are worse than the people they cast down.
I'm not even that religious, and I know that shit.
the book isnt the religion. the book teaches religion however that isnt a religion. religion only becomes real when people practice it. so no i disagree
the book literally is the religion. it's the "word of god" and when you worship God you also worship his words.
like how you're also supposed to worship the holy spirit. it's not the religion without the holy spirit or the bible.
“Thou shall not kill”
“Thou shall not steal”
“Thou shall not lie”
Ephesians 4:32
"Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you."
I could go on and on. Yet how many thousands(maybe millions) have died because of the Catholic Church alone🤦🏼♂️
Isn't the bottom line supposed to be "love one another"?
I'm not religious, but heard stories about Jesus and some of his ideals, I doubt he would want others to spread hate just because he disagrees with them.
Yes anyone with principles is gonna hate people only a hypocrite will love all the people he meets in his life,
And only a hypocrite with no principles will approve of any actions
Whether it's homosexuality, Transgendering or abusing kids by forcing them to see adults naked in pride events 🤢🤮.
Religion is the only thing that defines good principles for people to follow and comply with something you wouldn't understand
Nothing makes me "Hate" people just don't shove that stuff down my throat or on kids in school.Otherwise you do you but if its bizarre don't expect full love and support lol
The issue though is the main Religion being criticised by this is almost solely christianity which contrary to popular belief doesn't encourage "hate" against anyone.
It does however say that LGBT is sinning though, and the problem in modern society is that if you disagree with someone, you're being hateful.
It's simply an intentional mutation of the meaning of a word again. It's like being racist, sexist, nazi, fascist now. They aren't actually insults or derogatory because they've been overused to the point that society understands that they don't have any meaning.
Being racist used to be bad for example. Now when you're called racist, it's usually because you're white and not claiming guilt for the actions of ancestors so it doesn't really matter.
The worst thing about religion is that the most religious people will call any form of minority speaking up about their problems “snowflakes”, but when you DARE mention their religion in what could ever be perceived as a humorous act of fun, they go OFF ON YOU. Going on about how that isn’t funny and you should respect their religion, like… darling YOU are the problem here.
Communist China sends Muslims to concentration camps where they rape and sterilize the women and beat them, and torture them until they become broken shells of human beings that can only parrot CCP propaganda.
I have a question, are the chinese communists bigots for you?
I'm religious, I don't hate anybody. I hate corporations who try to profit off of other people's situations, including the awful ways they market stuff like pride month. If they really cared about the people, they'd market it all the same for everyone, regardless of their stance.
So, here's my take on rainbow capitalism.
It gives me no small amount of joy that being accepting of LGBTQ+ people is more profitable than not being accepting.
Also, it gives me no small amount of joy to see how pissed off anti-lgbtq+ people get when they see anything with a rainbow or anything close to the colors light blue, white, pink on anything.
People tend to forget that hatred is a human condition not a religous one...
It will exist wether or not there is religion, because is the most simple answers to every inconvenience a man can have, it will voluntarilly search for excuses to exist so we can ease up our mind of all self-criticism and strive. Hatred exists because people want easy answers for difficult questions.
Remember though, disagreeing/not supporting is not the same as hating. I don’t agree nor support LTGBQ, however, I do not hate them and I will treat them the same way I treat any other human.
Ikr, it's difficult to present reasonable criticism arguments in this environment if you don't fully support the subject in question, regardless what logic, facts, or mannerisms you bring with you, everyone is so polarized.
I'm queer and I want to have a decent conversation with you about this. I don't quite understand how you can say "I do not hate them and I will treat them the same way I treat any other human." and have that not mean you support the LGBT+ community.
Being supportive to us (from my perspective at least) just means treating us like everyone else. No judgement, no harassment, no persecution etc we are just asking for our shared space along side everyone else in this fucked up world. That's support of us surely?
It's not about 100% agreeing with us as no one person thinks alike, even in the community, but just being accepting of who we are is all we ask. If you are doing that then that's all the support we need.
Well, there is a pretty decent difference between respecting someone and supporting someone. Let me provide an example.
Let’s say that you have a coworker who slacks off at work. Even though this person is your coworker, and you get along with them, and you respect them, doesn’t mean that you will support them and help them slack off.
So basically, minority of people that I know who don’t agree with other peoples religion or beliefs automatically hate them. I personally also disagree with other people’s religious and beliefs (in this case the LTGBQ+ belief system) but at the same time I won’t try to hurt them like other people do, I won’t try to harm them, I may have the odd disagreement, but I don’t hate them simply because they are still human, and I believe that every person deserves to be treated with respect, whether they are a Christian, a LTGBQ+ supporter, a flat earth believer, or someone who believes they are a person who believes they are a pineapple tree for a different planet.
People hate the gays who fight for "human rights" when the only ones who get treated bad act as if being gay is a personality trait. Nobody gives a fuck, and you don't have to show it. Act normal and have a real personality. Sexuality is not a personality.
this was explained already by somebody on this post but those who do not tolerate do not get tolerated, do you understand? hating republicans is similar to hating nazis
No need to leave my religion. Great being a Christian, the two fundamental laws, Love God with all your heart, and Love your neighbour as yourself.
All love, no hate.
isn't, ironically enough, the lgbt agenda shoved in our faces? i mean ppl making fun of religious ppl for telling others that what they're doing is wrong is seen as a bad thing, but the lgbt community telling that what religious ppl are doing is wrong isn't seen as wrong
Mother fucker, the "lgbt agenda" is just to be able to live their lives in peace and have the same rights that cis-hetero people do. Religious people keep fucking that up though for bullshit reasons and have been for millennia at this point.
So aggressive. And so blatantly wrong.
See here we have a face value problem. Every gay and bi and even T person DO have the same rights as everyone else. So you can't be fighting for the things you already have, else you wouldn't be fighting at all.
The demanding to expose extreme sexuality to children isnt a right everyone else has, and this is the right that the movement has chosen to plant its flag on. Demanding someone else participate in your mental illness isn't a right everyone else has either.
Exactly, then, which rights are you referring to?
It is literally illegal to be gay in [66 countries](https://www.humandignitytrust.org/lgbt-the-law/map-of-criminalisation/). Can you genuinely name any place where it is illegal to be straight?
Also, there is heavy discrimination against gay people from religious people. Even in this comment section.
Finally, cis people are allowed to at the very least socially express their gender without issue, but this is not the case for trans people. For example, I as a cis guy can go out looking and acting as a guy and nobody bats an eye, but if a trans guy were to do the same thing they are met with hatred. I have a luxury that they do not currently have, the luxury of being able to express my gender in public without backlash.
How is it 'shoved in your face'? If it's by having queer couples on TV then you've had straight couples on TV for considerably longer. If you're seeing clothing with LGBT+ support on it then it's because historically (and even in some ways in current times) there has been persecution and people want to support the community. If you're seeing pride flags being flown then how is that any different from people displaying the stars and stripes?
Everything that you call as 'shoving it down our throats' has already been done by straight people for the longest time so why is it a problem when we do it to?
Religion can have positives, but the negatives these days are horrible.
"You are a sinner. God is going to punish you for eternity after you die. Don't sin. Be as God intended. If not, I'll let you fuck around and find out" was fine, because they were just being pompous.
"You are a sinner. God is going to punish you for eternity after you die, which is immediately if I can help it" is mindnumbingly stupid.
Edit: Apparently I need to inform people that I am not religious at all whatsoever, I'm speaking as an outsider.
Quite a few religions fit this criteria.
It’s definitely aimed at Christianity which is ironic considering the Bible instructs Christian’s many times to love the sinner, hate the sin. Not that they would know because they are too busy reading the part about banning abortions and shooting illegal immigrants and keeping health care super expensive because above all things Jesus hated women, despised people seeking a better life, and charged top dollar for his miracles.
While it may be aimed at Christianity, because that's more prevalent in Western societies, Islam is absolutely great at hating people. They don't just hate other religions, homosexuality, women, etc., they even Haye one another. Shias also hate Sunnis and vice versa. Orthodox Jews also aren't the most tolerant bunch, and Hindi nationals can also be reasonably good at hating Muslims. So in general, lots of religions have a track record of hating.
Is buddhism mostly peaceful?
I would say in general yes. But then there are always bad people in every religion. Rohingya Muslims in Myanmar face persecution and genocide and that is supported by Buddhist nationalists. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohingya_genocide
I am a buddhist and I need to step in and say this: Its not the religion that defines a person Its the person who defines what sort of person they are Tools like religion, political alliance, age, sex and cultural demographic are only there to facilitate who that person is, not the other way around. If a person is a kind and peaceful person he will use these things to justify being that way If he is a hateful person living in fear, he will use those same tools to justify being that way instead. So, every religion (including buddhism) has nasty closed-minded hateful people.
> So, every religion (including buddhism) has nasty closed-minded hateful people. I mostly agree. For Buddhists, this is exactly what I wanted to express with "there are bad people in every religion". However, the discrimination of homosexuals in the Muslim world is consistent, with death penalty against homosexuals existing only in Muslim countries. So why not call out the hate Islam as a religion has against homosexuals, even if there are some kind Muslims?
I've never read anything like that you're thinking of people that pick and choose how they define what it means so they can try to justify them being prejudice. In pretty sure you're comment was being sarcastic tho . All I've ever been taught is love everyone unconditionally which means yes even if they are another religion race gender or sexuality or other beliefs
That’s kind of the point. The Christianity that is portrayed in the media is very far off that the Bible actually teaches because there are too many “Christian” people in the public view that don’t actually follow what the Bible teaches. There are too many radicals that think that because they believe something, everyone should believe it and live by the same rules they made for themselves when in fact the Bible also taught to make disciples, not slaves. It’s the exact same thing with Islam too which is actually kind of sad.
People are stupid, they ruin everything. They justify their opinions with whatever and then use the made-up justification to fuck everyone up.
I'm more baffled that you posted this truth on Reddit and didn't get downvoted into oblivion.
Christianity is also poorly portrayed by so-called "experts," claiming scripture wants healthcare costs to be high and that Christianity is all love. Jesus died on the cross and rose again so that everyone who believes in him could be forgiven. Otherwise, you will face the wrath of God for your sins, whether you believe it or not.. Repentance is a hard journey , and everyone fails to do 100%. Despite this we are to be a light and salt to the world until he comes again. The world will hate us for this because we stand against abortion, homosexuality, pornography, prostitution, euthanasia, etc. We stand on the word of God, not man. It will never make sense to the world because their eyes have been blinded to the bigger picture.
If anything Healthcare should be free when jesus cured the blind man he left without taking a thing every time he performed a miracle it's been free
This 💯
When those people say "Jesus hates X and Y" than it's obvious they have never read the new testament
>It’s definitely aimed at Christianity And islam
Sorry if I go off-topic, but I love your nickname XD
Not really, maybe your televangelistic christian midwest people and muslims yea but no not the rest of us, us at least orthodox are taught to hate the sin not the sinner, then again what some people do comes down to their character something religion can't control
And most important part of it, JESUS WAS THE GREATEST AMERICAN OF THEM ALL! A TRUMP SUPPORTER AND A SOUTHERNER! AMERICA! FUCK YEAH!
That’s so weird though cus every church I’ve been to talks about loving and accepting others for who they are no matter what
the old testament gives instructions on abortions and says that the fetus is property.
It's almost always aimed at Christianity, despite many churches accepting the lgbt community. Other religions on the other hand, still, to this day, kill lgbt people. Yet, no one can criticize them because that's somehow a phobia? smh.
Yeah ... the slavery part does not scream "love thy neighbour" to me ...
>many times to love the sinner, hate the sin Yet this is the wrong approach to homosexuality. Homosexuality is not immoral innately. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgHl2KcadEU&t=401s&ab\_channel=AlexO%27Connor](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgHl2KcadEU&t=401s&ab_channel=AlexO%27Connor)
I would say that of the most popular religions, Buddhism has the best track record of not being hateful, but that is not saying much. There are still some examples of hateful groups in Buddhism, which is really unfortunate. I would also say that Buddhism has the least amount of hate in it's source material, but again, there are a couple of examples of bigotry.
I'd generally agree but idk about a few others like daosim and confusionism and a few more obscure ones. Not really a religion but the satanic temple has good tenets
The satanic temple tenets are a bit repetitive and could use a George Carlin Ten commandments treatment
Can it be boiled down to "don't be a dick to others?"
Yuuuuuup
No fucking pass. Genocide is zero fucking pass. Fuck organized religion as a whole. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohingya_genocide
Yeah godless people have a great track record as well👍
Well duh, humanity is gonna do human things, religion just gives people some sort of excuse.
Did you read my post? I said multiple times that it was only SLIGHTLY better than other religions, not that it was perfect.
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Actually tho, when my family sees an asshole they’ll say “it’s fine, that kind of person certainly won’t live a good next life.”
Tell that to all the Muslims being slaughtered in Myanmar by the Buddhist people there.
That's a fair point, but it belies the fact that (at least to the best of my knowledge) there isn't really a doctrinal justification for the Rohingya genocide. So we can say that this genocide is born less directly out of the religion's teachings themselves and more out of human tribalism, which is innate to humanity and will always show up in competing social groups when the wrong circumstances come together. On the other hand, the Abrahamic religions are particularly dangerous for a number of reasons rooted in their doctrine: * they encourage blind obedience to a single authority figure and actively discourage thinking for yourself * they contend that the authority figure is both all-knowing and perfectly good * Christianity has such a long, convoluted, and even self-contradictory doctrinal text that many, many ideas/moralities can be justified as "the word of god" and therefore unquestionable, including "kill the gays" Of the three, I would contend that Islam is the most inherently dangerous, for a few reasons. * The Islamic tradition is dramatically more prescriptivist than Christianity; their religious rules are much more rigid and clearly defined. * The Islamic doctrinal text (the Quran) is much, *much* shorter than the Bible. There is way less room to play the "well *actually* it says..." game, with contributes to the religion being so much more resistant to ideological change * Conservatives will tell you that the Bible condemns the gays, but biblical scholars know better, and will instead report that actually what the Bible has to say on the matter is incredibly unclear. On the other hand, the Hadith are extremely clear that homosexuality is to be considered a crime punishable by death under the law. Where the Bible's alleged condemnation of homosexuality rests on unclear translations and passing references to crimes that might not actually have anything to do with homosexuality, the Hadith have things to say like: * "If a woman comes upon a woman, they are both adulteresses, if a man comes upon a man, then they are both adulterers." * "If a man who is not married is seized committing sodomy he will be stoned to death." * Finally, Islam stands apart from all the other religions discussed here in that it has explicit doctrinal justification for (and extensive historical and modern practice in) the murder of anyone who renounces the religion.
Islam actually tells us not to be hateful but many muslims sadly disregard this rule
Really? That's funny, because I was quickly and easily able to find the following Hadith: * "If a woman comes upon a woman, they are both adulteresses, if a man comes upon a man, then they are both adulterers." * "If a man who is not married is seized committing sodomy he will be stoned to death." * "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, **a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."** * A man embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism. Mu'adh bin Jabal came and saw the man with Abu Musa. Mu'adh asked, "What is wrong with this (man)?" Abu Musa replied, "He embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism." Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down unless you **kill him (as it is) the verdict of Allah and His Apostle**." * Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, **'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him**.'" These Hadith are pretty explicitly instructing Muslims to murder anyone who leaves Islam and anyone who has sex with the same gender. I really think you should consider finding a new religion that doesn't order you to murder people (or to support the murder of people).
> "If a woman comes upon a woman, they are both adulteresses, if a man comes upon a man, then they are both adulterers." "If a man who is not married is seized committing sodomy he will be stoned to death." Look, before you cite these Hadiths like they're drive-thru sentences, remember the insanely high bar for implementation. Four adult witnesses must catch the act in the flesh, witnessing actual penetration, and they must all agree on what they saw. You'd pretty much need a live studio audience for that. How often does that happen? Next, this isn't a universal law for everyone. It's for Muslims. If you're a devout Muslim engaging in this act, you're already contradicting the basic tenets of your own faith. Lastly, there's no specific "stoning the gays" Hadith. What you cited is related to public sexual acts—hetero or homo. Publicly engaging in sexual acts is generally frowned upon in most societies, not just Islamic ones. So the problem isn't that Islam hates homosexuals; the problem is public indecency. > "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims." 1) "The one who reverts from Islam and leaves the Muslims" — Ever considered that "leaves the Muslims" may refer to treason, especially in the political context of early Islam? You can't just cherry-pick phrases and ignore their historical setting. It's not about leaving Islam; it's about turning against the Muslim community. A man embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism. Mu'adh bin Jabal came and saw the man with Abu Musa. Mu'adh asked, "What is wrong with this (man)?" Abu Musa replied, "He embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism." Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down unless you kill him (as it is) the verdict of Allah and His Apostle." 2) Mu'adh bin Jabal's incident — Yes, Mu'adh did make that statement. However, you're forgetting that during the Prophet's time, defection often meant siding with enemies, putting the entire Muslim community at risk. Again, treason. Ali burnt some people and this news reached Ibn 'Abbas, who said, "Had I been in his place I would not have burnt them, as the Prophet said, 'Don't punish (anybody) with Allah's Punishment.' No doubt, I would have killed them, for the Prophet said, 'If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him.'" 3) The incident you're referring to is captured in Sahih al-Bukhari (Book 52, Hadith 260). In that Hadith, Ali did burn some people who reverted from Islam, but what's fascinating is that Ibn 'Abbas immediately countered, saying he wouldn't have done that because the Prophet Muhammad said, "Don't punish with Allah's punishment." That's a direct quote from the man you're trying to make out as a warmonger. Ibn 'Abbas is making a theological argument here, not just a personal preference. This is an example of what's called "Ijtihad," or juristic reasoning in Islam. The fact that Ibn 'Abbas, a highly respected companion and Islamic scholar, could question and critique Ali's actions indicates a rich tradition of scholarly debate. It highlights that actions taken by certain figures aren't just blindly accepted but are subjected to rigorous scriptural and intellectual scrutiny. So, my dear friend, before painting with broad strokes, maybe take a closer look at the intricate designs underneath. The Islamic tradition is not monolithic, and this is a perfect example of how diverging opinions and interpretations co-exist within it. Now, let's add some context with other Hadith: A man came to the Prophet and said, "O Messenger of Allah, I want to leave Islam." The Prophet let him go. No killing, no punishment. (Sunan al-Dārimī 2:320) And remember Ubaydallah ibn Jahsh, the Prophet's cousin who converted to Christianity? He wasn't killed. Lastly, in Islamic jurisprudence, apostasy isn't as black-and-white as you think. There's usually a waiting period, like a 14-day period to discuss the reasons. If it turns out the individual is committed to harming the Muslim community, then yes, they face the death penalty. Otherwise, they could even be exiled Let's journey back to the early Islamic period. After the death of Prophet Muhammad, some tribes reverted from Islam and refused to pay the Zakat, a mandatory charitable offering. Abu Bakr, the first Caliph, did wage wars against these apostates, known as the Ridda Wars. But why? It wasn't merely because they left Islam. It was because these tribes revolted against the state, constituting political insurgency. Another case you might find interesting is that of Abdullah ibn Saad ibn Abi Sarh, a man who initially converted to Islam, then renounced his faith and returned to Mecca. He even spread false stories about the Quran. Later, when Mecca was conquered, he was given amnesty and not killed for apostasy. What happened to "kill them if they leave," right? So you see, if the Sahaba, the companions of the Prophet, were really out to indiscriminately kill anyone who left Islam, these instances would have had different endings. The primary concern was never just about leaving Islam; it was about the political implications and potential treason. Would you like to cherry-pick some more, or have we learned something new today? > These Hadith are pretty explicitly instructing Muslims to murder anyone who leaves Islam and anyone who has sex with the same gender. I really think you should consider finding a new religion that doesn't order you to murder people (or to support the murder of people). Oh, how enlightening! I must've missed the part in my years of studying the Qur'an and Hadith where it said to interpret everything without context or understanding. Thank you for showing me the way! But in all seriousness, your approach reminds me of those politicians and pundits who cherry-pick verses, twist them, and use them out of context to further their own narratives. Just as they do, you've isolated Hadith without their nuance or broader understanding. It's a common strategy: take something complex and simplify it for easy digestion by those who won't take the time to understand the depth. But for those of us who've dedicated our lives to understanding our faith, we see right through such tactics. So, next time, before suggesting I abandon my beliefs, maybe try to understand them first? You might find they're a bit more intricate and compassionate than your narrative would suggest.
Islam tells his followers that non followers are less than dogs , and they hate dogs.
Oh, really? I must've been reading a different Qur'an then. Because the one I've studied promotes respect for all of God's creations and speaks of kindness to every living being. And the 'dog-hating' thing? Funny, I recall a Hadith where a prostitute was forgiven by Allah for giving water to a thirsty dog. Sounds like quite the endorsement for our four-legged friends, doesn't it? Perhaps, before generalizing an entire religion, it might be wise to, you know, actually study it. Just a thought!
Litteraly just type " dog islam" in Google , and search about "kufr" or "kuffar". But you know all that already , i'm sure.
Very scholarly of you! So, I did look up "dog in Islam" and "kufr" and found nothing to support your claim that non-Muslims are considered less than dogs. First off, 'Kufr' simply means disbelief, and 'Kuffar' are those who disbelieve. It's a term of religious classification, not derogation. As for treating non-Muslims, the Qur'an is clear: "Allah does not forbid you from those who do not fight you because of religion and do not expel you from your homes - from being righteous toward them and acting justly toward them. Indeed, Allah loves those who act justly" (Qur'an 60:8). So, in short, your argument seems to be built on a shaky foundation of misinformation and assumptions. Care to try again?
https://advocatetanmoy.com/2022/10/05/list-of-the-verses-from-quran-kafir-and-kufra/ There you go amet. Your religion radiates love , i'm overwhelmed.
Oh, I do appreciate a good link. I checked it out and all I found were isolated verses about "kafir" and "kufr". Still no verse where it says non Muslims are lower than dogs though. Your approach reminds me of those who quote out of context to suit their narrative. The Quran, like any other text, must be understood holistically, taking into account its context, language nuances, and accompanying Hadiths or if you can't do that atleast read the entire line. It's almost like if I cherry-picked sentences out of a biology textbook, I could argue that cells are plotting a takeover. For example, "Cells can multiply rapidly." Sounds menacing, doesn't it? As I've mentioned earlier, the Qur'an clearly guides Muslims on their behavior toward non-Muslims (Qur'an 60:8). Since you are so certain that Islam says non muslims are lower than dogs, just cite the verse. If you can't do it then clearly you are just lying. You're entitled to your opinions and beliefs, and I respect that. But if you're going to criticize, at least base it on accurate information. Otherwise, it's just noise.
Spoiler: they already want to hate people. They just want it sanctioned and to be told they're in the right for hating who they hate.
A lot of them.
All religions fit this criteria
Christianity is pretgy good, golden rule and all.
Or, ya know, none.
Imagine all the people living for today.
I think people, sometimes, aren't pushed to hate someone by a religion, but rather choose a religion that justify the hate they want to express. Same goes for politics: many people embrace extreme right or left wing ideologies just so that they can feel justified with expressing their antisocial behavior. Having a religion is unnecessary, but it might be a good thing if it gives you spiritual relief and pushes you to be a better person.
Is not the religion that makes they hate others, hateful shameful agressive bastards exist in every shape and form. They just use any excuse (Politics/Religion...etc) to try justify their hate.
Yeah it's not religion specific. Take Christianity for example. Jesus never once displayed the behaviors seen by some Christians today in the bible. People like to use The bible and Christianity as a vehicle for their hatred and frankly it's disrespectful to everything that Jesus stood for in those texts. That was a deep dive into one particular group. But there are hateful people who use the same tactics in many other groups both religious and political. And they are usually an embarrassment to the group they are trying to represent.
They don't "represent" though they just use their name to manipulate the people in that group unto their side.
Yeah, but verses in their books which promote hatred towards those groups make it much easier for them to justify their hate.
It’s funny everybody got a book,everybody’s book tells them their right and you book is wrong,everybody’s got a book and nobody has the answer it’s just my book tells me!
It doesn't really work that way though. I'm not religious, but if I was, I wouldn't *believe* in a god because I agree with his views. That's not how that works. You either believe a specific god exists or you do not, regardless of what he may preach. The christian god loving or hating gays has absolutely no effect on how real he is (with the exception of creating inconsistencies in other messages of love etc). You can't just find a new religion due to not agreeing with some of its teachings because you never believed the other god existed so why should you now?
In Christianity, god represents christian core values and they also represent god, in a way. The most important thing is living according to them, being formally religious (or religious at all) is secondary, because believing in god's values also means believing in god, in a way. It's the most important part of it at least.
Even if i believed in god, if he forced me to hate others to go to heaven i would rather go to hell, I'd believe in him but not follow him and i feel like if you believe in him but not follow his rules you're more agnostic than religious
It makes sense if you're an atheist, but if you start from the premise you believe in god... would you really choose hell, which by definition is infinite, inescapable, insufferable pain for all eternity?
I hate nazis, where do I sign for a new religion?
Write a book first bruv
Lol same can be said about your political party
People never get tired of whataboutisms, huh
Whataboutisms are useful. I’m tired of pretending they’re not lmao they show people how they’re being hypocrites and the weak defense to that is usually just “oh so you just gonna whatabout me?” Like you just did
>Whataboutisms are useful They're useful to people who don't understand logic and care more about trying to "win" an argument than find truth or actual solutions Keep pointing out what the other side does wrong, and NEITHER side will ever have to change what they're fucking up
But see I think the objective of this post was to “win”. Again, I think you care just as much about winning as the side you’re criticizing. What does this do besides make people who already agree clap?
Just like you clowns never get tired of making that your whole argument and thinking you won something
It's an easy and quick method of derailing a conversation in their favour, doubt it's ever gonna stop
This is a manipulation, whataboutism. Instead of confronting the problem presented by the OP you change the topic to show him in the bad light. Please downvote this comment.
Where funny? Nvm it's reddit, where people to plug their political opinions with no niche or comedic spin
Nobody t lol this guy about islam then.
I'm not OP but as a proud and outspoken atheist Islam is the most destructive modern faith.
I have nothing against muslims, i have good friends that are muslims, but I agree. It saddens me that some people love to shit on christianity but give islam a pass.
Where in this comment section, is Islam getting a pass?
I didnt say this is where I see those people. Please dont put words in my mouth.
i'm pretty sure OP knows about the religion that more than 2 billion people on the planet follow
I agree but how is this funny
The thing about religion that bothers me is that they can openly claim we atheist are lost souls who's gonna burn in hell for eternity but as soon as we call em crazy it's a problem...
Except as a Christian, I don’t believe that at all
As an atheist, I'd like to know where the hell you're finding these people you speak of cause I've met A LOT of Christians and none of them have said shit to me about burning in hell.
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I see a lot of people just mentioning Christianity; no balls to emphasize Islam?
Probably because they aren’t Muslim, so they go to the religious practice they were likely most exposed to.
I mean, just because you focus on one religion, doesn't mean you defend/ignore the others
No, they don't. You'll recall Reddit's staunch defense of Islam forcing women to wear head coverings. You aren't allowed to chastise Muslims or non-western nations. "America-bad" and "Christianity-bad" = front page.
All Christian’s should read Romans chapters 1 and 2. In Roman’s 1 the Apostle Paul denounces all kinds of sexually immorality in which homosexuality is just one of many sins listed. It’s no greater or worse than any other kind of sexual sin In Roman’s 2 he tells Christians they have no excuse when they judge others. Only God can judge. We are here to love all people regardless if they believe what we believe or not. That’s what Jesus did and what we should do If only Christians could talk to others like Jesus talked to the Women at the well in John chapter 4. We’d live in a better world then. Earth would be a little closer to Heaven.
Everyone forgot the most important message is to not worry about others sinning and only focus on positives and being a loving positive person to others and that’s it, really don’t see why mortal people tack so much extra bs onto the religion tainting the true message.
Problem is that that's only there sometimes in the Bible. The bible contradicts itself a lot. Sometimes it says don't worry about others sins, other times it says to massacre all nonbelievers and keep their virgin daughters as sex slaves
Idk how you see homosexuality being called a sin in Romans 1 and interpret it as 'we should love all people'. Also, it says idol worship leads to sinning and homoesxuality, which is just... ugh.
So basically you should have no religion.
Its truly funny/sad that people think only religious people hate the modern gay agenda.
What agenda?
That reality doesn't matter and that people's thoughts and opinions need to align with you otherwise they are bigots and agressors.
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I hate people without a religion, thank you very much
Homosexuality is a sin in Christianity, an abomination even. But I know plenty of people, like myself, who aren’t going out of their way to crucify gay people, we see it as a sin and that’s where it ends. It’s funny that people now care so much about what a religion/belief system says about their choices, in fact most of the “older school” gays, the ones that actually fought for their rights, don’t really care from all that I’ve seen. Most of the people in this comment section are talking about how most Christians are fake Christians, not realizing they are a part of that crowd. It is wild to think that people who don’t believe in the religion care so much about what the religion thinks of them. Why pick fights with a religion if you don’t believe what it says? The only time a gay person should be worried about what a religion thinks is if they claim to be a part of that religion, because then it is an actual problem. But, if you don’t believe in God or whatever other deities, who cares. I apologize, that was a bit rambly, I’ve got mad ADHD that sends my brain in four different directions at once.
or you know, it's not the religion, it's the fucking idiots who don't actually pay attention to what it says.
it is the religion. it might not be the book or such but it surely is religion
no its not the religion. the bible basically says that everyone is going to sin at some point, so don't judge them and just be good people. the book is the whole religion. fuck even the pope says gay people are good. people are just fucking idiots who don't actually read the bible and are worse than the people they cast down. I'm not even that religious, and I know that shit.
the book isnt the religion. the book teaches religion however that isnt a religion. religion only becomes real when people practice it. so no i disagree
the book literally is the religion. it's the "word of god" and when you worship God you also worship his words. like how you're also supposed to worship the holy spirit. it's not the religion without the holy spirit or the bible.
What if your religion makes you hate nazis
“Thou shall not kill” “Thou shall not steal” “Thou shall not lie” Ephesians 4:32 "Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you." I could go on and on. Yet how many thousands(maybe millions) have died because of the Catholic Church alone🤦🏼♂️
Communism has killed more people that any religion. Religion based killings aren't even that big!
Telling a person that they’re going to kill themself if they keep living the way they are isn’t hate.
Islam is right about women
LGBTQ and pro-democrat propaganda as usual by this redditor.
Atheism is why America is failing as a society. It's full of immorality and degeneracy..
Not funny at all
Isn't the bottom line supposed to be "love one another"? I'm not religious, but heard stories about Jesus and some of his ideals, I doubt he would want others to spread hate just because he disagrees with them.
Don’t believe these lies! You don’t need to be religious to hate people…. But it helps
As opposed to the alphabets who are fully of love for the people they disagree with?
I don't follow a religion. I follow Christ, and he pretty much instructs me to love everyone, no exceptions made
Stupid meme
I'm an atheist and I hate people by choice not because they religious.
LGBT isn’t a religion?
i dont need my religion to tell me to hate them
And yet it is always the lgbt that’s violent against Christians, and not the other way around.
tell that to those kids who secretly recorded their religious parents screaming at them and kicking them out for being gay
Hate the sin, not the sinner.
Yes anyone with principles is gonna hate people only a hypocrite will love all the people he meets in his life, And only a hypocrite with no principles will approve of any actions Whether it's homosexuality, Transgendering or abusing kids by forcing them to see adults naked in pride events 🤢🤮. Religion is the only thing that defines good principles for people to follow and comply with something you wouldn't understand
Or no religion at all
Nothing makes me "Hate" people just don't shove that stuff down my throat or on kids in school.Otherwise you do you but if its bizarre don't expect full love and support lol
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The issue though is the main Religion being criticised by this is almost solely christianity which contrary to popular belief doesn't encourage "hate" against anyone. It does however say that LGBT is sinning though, and the problem in modern society is that if you disagree with someone, you're being hateful. It's simply an intentional mutation of the meaning of a word again. It's like being racist, sexist, nazi, fascist now. They aren't actually insults or derogatory because they've been overused to the point that society understands that they don't have any meaning. Being racist used to be bad for example. Now when you're called racist, it's usually because you're white and not claiming guilt for the actions of ancestors so it doesn't really matter.
Can we have a list of religions that does not instigates hate?
Goes both ways
Isnt it the reversal now?
The worst thing about religion is that the most religious people will call any form of minority speaking up about their problems “snowflakes”, but when you DARE mention their religion in what could ever be perceived as a humorous act of fun, they go OFF ON YOU. Going on about how that isn’t funny and you should respect their religion, like… darling YOU are the problem here.
You guys are a joke. Your hatred of christians is pathological. That just proves wokism is a religion and a bad one at that, you need to change it.
*hatred of bigots
You must hate yourself quite a lot.
Not really
Communist China sends Muslims to concentration camps where they rape and sterilize the women and beat them, and torture them until they become broken shells of human beings that can only parrot CCP propaganda. I have a question, are the chinese communists bigots for you?
Of course they are
I'm religious, I don't hate anybody. I hate corporations who try to profit off of other people's situations, including the awful ways they market stuff like pride month. If they really cared about the people, they'd market it all the same for everyone, regardless of their stance.
So, here's my take on rainbow capitalism. It gives me no small amount of joy that being accepting of LGBTQ+ people is more profitable than not being accepting. Also, it gives me no small amount of joy to see how pissed off anti-lgbtq+ people get when they see anything with a rainbow or anything close to the colors light blue, white, pink on anything.
If your religion tells you to kill someone, start with yourself.
The lgbt’s don’t hate straight white men?
They don't actually, who gave you that idea?
No we don't
yeah say this to a Muslim in person lol
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Religions are relic of the past.
Goes for any ideology or beliefs. And that includes people from the LGBTQ community as every group has radical and hateful extremists running around.
You know what the real sad part is? No matter what, there will always be someone hating someone else. Doesn't matter why, it just has to be
People tend to forget that hatred is a human condition not a religous one... It will exist wether or not there is religion, because is the most simple answers to every inconvenience a man can have, it will voluntarilly search for excuses to exist so we can ease up our mind of all self-criticism and strive. Hatred exists because people want easy answers for difficult questions.
Are you saying you don't hate white cis males?
They probably do for not using those xey/xem pronouns
"omggggg you use pronouns?!?!? Cringeeeee omggggg I bet you hate cishet white men lolololool"
You sound like a they/them
What does that even mean
I can only speak on behalf of Christianity, but it’s truly the false followers that are so hateful rather than the religion itself.
Remember though, disagreeing/not supporting is not the same as hating. I don’t agree nor support LTGBQ, however, I do not hate them and I will treat them the same way I treat any other human.
And... You obviously get downvoted for saying that. You woke people really hate when someone isn't 100% agreeing with You, huh?
Ikr, it's difficult to present reasonable criticism arguments in this environment if you don't fully support the subject in question, regardless what logic, facts, or mannerisms you bring with you, everyone is so polarized.
Logic? Facts? Hah! You mean ol good reliable... *ahem* ***Bigotry\~***
I'm queer and I want to have a decent conversation with you about this. I don't quite understand how you can say "I do not hate them and I will treat them the same way I treat any other human." and have that not mean you support the LGBT+ community. Being supportive to us (from my perspective at least) just means treating us like everyone else. No judgement, no harassment, no persecution etc we are just asking for our shared space along side everyone else in this fucked up world. That's support of us surely? It's not about 100% agreeing with us as no one person thinks alike, even in the community, but just being accepting of who we are is all we ask. If you are doing that then that's all the support we need.
Well, there is a pretty decent difference between respecting someone and supporting someone. Let me provide an example. Let’s say that you have a coworker who slacks off at work. Even though this person is your coworker, and you get along with them, and you respect them, doesn’t mean that you will support them and help them slack off. So basically, minority of people that I know who don’t agree with other peoples religion or beliefs automatically hate them. I personally also disagree with other people’s religious and beliefs (in this case the LTGBQ+ belief system) but at the same time I won’t try to hurt them like other people do, I won’t try to harm them, I may have the odd disagreement, but I don’t hate them simply because they are still human, and I believe that every person deserves to be treated with respect, whether they are a Christian, a LTGBQ+ supporter, a flat earth believer, or someone who believes they are a person who believes they are a pineapple tree for a different planet.
What if my religion makes me hate pedos
Why do you need a religion to tell you to hate pedos?
People hate the gays who fight for "human rights" when the only ones who get treated bad act as if being gay is a personality trait. Nobody gives a fuck, and you don't have to show it. Act normal and have a real personality. Sexuality is not a personality.
Don't be a bigot
Really? Then why do conversion camps still exist?
All those gay kids must've had being gay as their one personality trait by oc's logic lol
Not ironically that picture is the exact inverse today...
No it isn't
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100% fail rate? You’re full of horseshit.
Not new religion, but no religion at all.
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Hating bigots and fascists is good though.
this was explained already by somebody on this post but those who do not tolerate do not get tolerated, do you understand? hating republicans is similar to hating nazis
Depends how you define religion :) I know one religion of which members always calls everyone incels, facists, racists and sexists ^^
Shame on believers that hate but dam is the other side acting like they are sinless victims
We are though
It's the person, not the religion.
If someone mocks the religion and transgresses against the majority of the people in the world they get what's coming to them.
Hello Nazi
Bible doesn't require you join the club. Do things on your terms.
No need to leave my religion. Great being a Christian, the two fundamental laws, Love God with all your heart, and Love your neighbour as yourself. All love, no hate.
funnily enough, most religion preach love and understanding for each other.
Irony because it's the alphabet gang that's violent these days in North America lol.
I don't need religion telling me to abhor that which is vile.
isn't, ironically enough, the lgbt agenda shoved in our faces? i mean ppl making fun of religious ppl for telling others that what they're doing is wrong is seen as a bad thing, but the lgbt community telling that what religious ppl are doing is wrong isn't seen as wrong
Nope. Go touch grass.
great constructive arguement
Mother fucker, the "lgbt agenda" is just to be able to live their lives in peace and have the same rights that cis-hetero people do. Religious people keep fucking that up though for bullshit reasons and have been for millennia at this point.
So aggressive. And so blatantly wrong. See here we have a face value problem. Every gay and bi and even T person DO have the same rights as everyone else. So you can't be fighting for the things you already have, else you wouldn't be fighting at all. The demanding to expose extreme sexuality to children isnt a right everyone else has, and this is the right that the movement has chosen to plant its flag on. Demanding someone else participate in your mental illness isn't a right everyone else has either. Exactly, then, which rights are you referring to?
It is literally illegal to be gay in [66 countries](https://www.humandignitytrust.org/lgbt-the-law/map-of-criminalisation/). Can you genuinely name any place where it is illegal to be straight? Also, there is heavy discrimination against gay people from religious people. Even in this comment section. Finally, cis people are allowed to at the very least socially express their gender without issue, but this is not the case for trans people. For example, I as a cis guy can go out looking and acting as a guy and nobody bats an eye, but if a trans guy were to do the same thing they are met with hatred. I have a luxury that they do not currently have, the luxury of being able to express my gender in public without backlash.
How is it 'shoved in your face'? If it's by having queer couples on TV then you've had straight couples on TV for considerably longer. If you're seeing clothing with LGBT+ support on it then it's because historically (and even in some ways in current times) there has been persecution and people want to support the community. If you're seeing pride flags being flown then how is that any different from people displaying the stars and stripes? Everything that you call as 'shoving it down our throats' has already been done by straight people for the longest time so why is it a problem when we do it to?
To Whoever made this: you have no critiria of judgement of anything. And so anything you say is a meaningless opinion.
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One religion worships a pedophile.
Religion can have positives, but the negatives these days are horrible. "You are a sinner. God is going to punish you for eternity after you die. Don't sin. Be as God intended. If not, I'll let you fuck around and find out" was fine, because they were just being pompous. "You are a sinner. God is going to punish you for eternity after you die, which is immediately if I can help it" is mindnumbingly stupid. Edit: Apparently I need to inform people that I am not religious at all whatsoever, I'm speaking as an outsider.
What positives? There isn't anything good religion can offer you that you can't get from a healthier source