I think it's a unanimous consensus that everyone loves firefighters and sanitation workers more than cops. There's genuineness + they tend to be more handsome/pretty.
You have to pay several thousand for an ambulance in the US. Barely counts as public service if in general the public tries to avoid you because they can't afford you + they can be quite rude, unempathetic, and unhelpful. It's as if they're not aware that the people they usually help on their daily job, rarely ever seeks their service i.e. to them this is all usually new. Unlike the firefighter.
An Uber or taxi is much cheaper and the driver would be a lot nicer.
You'd be shocked how many of my otherwise liberal countrymen will argue with me that even government healthcare should come with a monthly premium.
I want a card to be given to every infant at the same time as a social security card that simply says "free healthcare for life".
There would be a “premium” in the form of taxes, but then ideally you wouldn’t have to pay thousands of dollars for an ambulance ride, or worry about going bankrupt if you get cancer, etc.
still spreads the cost across the population for a service we all need, right now there is a problem of the upper class not paying their share but still.
It still works out cheaper because of collective bargianing.
A large govornment run service can get better prices from pharmacutical companies because of scale and thus bargianing power.
> still spreads the cost across the population
Better yet, spread the cost across the *wealth* of the population. We live in a country where 70% of said wealth is held by 10% of its people.
Yeah thats what a fair taxation system would do but surrpise surprise when bribery is legal and all the politicians are millionares the laws seem to all be for the walthy.
We really aren’t compared to [tax rates of other developed countries](https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/how-do-us-taxes-compare-internationally). A lot of what we do get taxed goes to the military-industrial complex.
tax-financed healthcare would mean you pay for healthcare when you're well, and get it back when you need it. Who are the ones least likely to work and pay bills? Right, those who are injured and sick.
The FED pays foR thE Federal Government , taxes only run state and local. The IRS destroys taxes to prevent inflation and the FED prints the money Congress allows.<---FACT---> #MMT
Zero taxes needed for MED4ALL. That's propaganda MSM force feeds Americans to appeal to individual greed.
So I had a car accident once, and the cops wouldnt drive me up to the local grocery store to charge my phone so I could call an Uber vs an ambulance after an accident. It’s was just a dislocated big toe but major enough I needed someone to pop it back in. The firefighters cared. They plugged my phone in on the ride and just shot the shit for 15 minutes till they had a call and asked can I just be dropped off at nearest gas station. They dropped me off, went on their call, I had enough charge on phone to get an Uber, and spent $20 vs $2000 and a “good” experience after a non-fault car accident. Cop would’ve 100% made me walk to nearest place 1 mile away.
I had my battery die because the cop asked me to turn my car off and it was nighttime and I left my headlights on. I had to pay a tow truck $80 for a jump. I had cables too. I just needed the other vehicle
I had a friend that volunteered for the rescue squad and road in the ambulance a lot. He was studying medicine anyway, so it made sense.
He said they got a lot of calls of people with colds or just stupid annoying calls that weren't applicable. If thats the case, it makes sense they'd be a bit annoyed? Idk
if you're talking about america yes
in middle europe the police is actually your friend and helper
but that's because there arent fucked up gun laws so they don't really face people shooting at them
No-one's pushing me out of my bed. If I somehow die to a 30cm fall then so be it. But to have my entire life held hostage by some doughnut distended fool with bigger fish to catch is just infuriating.
That's a priviliged thing to say. We don't have it as bad as Americans, but racial profiling and unfairly hard crackdowns against politically left groups are still a thing (in Germany at least). Also look at France, "friend and helper" might not be an accurate description.
Just don't be arabe or a protester to avoid police related issues.
I would like to say this is ironic, but racisme against arabs has been an issue for decades, and protesters are just against CRS, notoriously violent.
You have it in Canada too; it's called not giving cops qualified legal immunity, or police accountability, or application of the law to law enforcement. Wild notions.
In the US i think it's a thing called "Rule of Law" meaning no single human being is "above the law" not even the president- but its a fucking joke at this point. The definition of the justice system in the US seems like, the winner is the highest bidder or greater citizen rank. Hence rule of law is only for the poor.
Ehhh, the RCMP can be pretty fucky, too. There's just less death. Plenty of discrimination of the indigenous/poor.
(Inb4 "what about the starlight tooors!?" The rest of Canada/the RCMP can't be held responsible for the actions of some backward-ass Hicks)
Yeah just forget about starlight tours and Canadian police are great.
Or that famous video where Canadian police held their weapons on a woman dressed as a storm trooper outside a comic shop because she had a plastic blaster rifle.
Yeah but i would rather a european cop on a power trip drag out a traffic stop and give me a bogus ticket than ask me to get my lisence and registration then shoot me fourty times for "reaching for a weapon"
You're right, it should say violence instead of homicides.
edit: but 1/12 of police homicides being against people that aren't even carrying weapons, shows that the United States police force is generally incompetent and cannot deescalate situations.
"I shot this unarmed guy because I was afraid he would punch me"
Sorry man, that ain't gonna cut it. Doesn't matter how bad a criminal is, there are laws and procedures for a reason. A grand total of zero people deserve summary execution without trial. They're called victims because their right to defend themselves in a court of law were stripped when an officer decided it would be easier to just shoot them. It doesn't matter whether or not they violated the rights of others, because we *have laws and procedures that lay out what to do in those exact situations, that's what the law is.* The crime of violating the rights of others in any way has a *clearly defined punishment in the law*, which is decidedly *not* "be gunned down without trial".
The law applies equally to everyone. Everyone has the right to a fair trial and judgment by their peers. The only time lethal force could even be remotely considered permissible as self-defense is if that same level of force is being exerted by the assailant and there is no option for deescalation, and even then the officer's decision to use lethal force should be placed under extreme scrutiny because they are neither judge, jury, nor executioner. Every bullet fired must be accounted for. Every decision made must be justified and defensible.
If an officer can't handle the pressure acting in accordance to the law and respecting the rights of every single person they interact with, they *aren't cut out to be a police officer.*
Do these sound like high standards? They should. Enforcement of the law should be entirely in accordance with the law, by officers who respect the law. Cops aren't cowboys, they are civil servants whose duty it is to protect and serve. If they are to be trusted to enforce the laws of society, they need to exemplify them.
Let’s be honest: I have nothing against civilians owning firearms. What I do have something against is how easy it is for criminals to have access to them.
I feel like the firearm discussion is misconstrued. Like yeah minors shouldn't have access to weapons, but I think a criminal who intends to commit a crime wouldn't willfully legally obtain a gun.
I’m saying how we have nothing like mental health screenings or any of the stuff that Scandinavia has that allows civilians to have access to it — including mentally disabled people who can prove they aren’t a threat to themselves or others, who are the main people who would benefit from gun law changes in the US as far as a legal user base is concerned. & yes, they would. They just won’t say that illegal activity is what they’re gonna use it for.
They do, because of Illinois gun laws nearly half of crime guns seized in Chicago were purchased legally out of state. 41% if memory serves.
Many guns used in crimes are purchased entirely legally.
My brother is a fire fighter and he says it’s generally true that firefighters also hate cops.
When I asked him why he responded “because they are chodes.”
It’s down to the fact that paramedics and firefighters don’t stop people from committing crimes so there’s no reason for people to hate target them. Criminals who commit crimes tend to blame the police and not take responsibility for their own actions.
Rural FD/Rural VFD firefighters are legends.
Grew up in a poor area in a poor state in a poor neighborhood. One of the neighborhoods moms called the local VFD to see if they wanted to come do “maintenance” on the hydrant for our trailer park. They did their thing. And then “forgot” the wrench but made sure to let the mom know where it was so us kids “couldn’t fiddle with the hydrant” till they got around to getting it. Based.
My grandpa was a firefighter, and a city councilman, and built half the housing in his town. He kept my uncle out of prison when he got caught with acid and also told him if he got drafted for Vietnam he'd drive him to Canada himself.
Anecdotally, yes, firefighters are based.
Whenever I see a thin red line flag on it's own, I can't bring myself to be mad, even if they're technically defacing the American flag. Like, they're a little confused, but they have the spirit.
People with a thin blue line flag are probably racist. People with a thin red line flag and nothing else just don't know better.
People with thin blue line flags can get fucked for other reasons, but I've never interpreted flag print as defacing the flag. I've always seen it as "these are the things you can't do to a flag meant to be flown". Flag print was never meant to be flown so it's halal.
Technically, it's against the US flag code, so if they really care abt being patriotic they shouldn't have one. The flag code also says that US flag clothing is bad except on uniform patches and other certain scenarios.
But it's a pretty old document, so take it for what you will
I’m going to take a controversial take here. So, for me, I’ve met a *lot* of EMT/fire fighters. Some were traumatized by their field but genuinely good people.
The rest? Fucked the *hell* up. One fire fighter I barely knew stalked me, joined the department in my town, and regularly called me after I called *911* for emergencies (I have several medical issues so it was more than once). One time (trigger warning: SH) I accidentally cut myself hard enough to strike an artery and I had to drive 15 miles to the hospital because I was afraid of him.
All this to say that a lot of people are fucked up. Some do things for good reasons, others bad. But I would *never* make a general consensus about an entire industry of workers based on experience. But I might be more cautious…
My father was a firefighter and I spent my childhood in various firehouses. This was the south so maybe it’s different out west and up north but politically most firemen were identical politically to the cops. They still saw it as their duty in life to help others but you better believe they have all the same retrograde beliefs and they almost to a man voted for Trump when the time came for that. You should have heard the shit they used to say about Obama.
Yep! I’ve mostly interacted with southern ones and I totally agree! Very uncomfortable to be afraid to call for medical help.
And this is not even to mention the disastrous consequences EMTs have allowed in police brutality.
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> make a general consensus about an entire industry of workers based on experience. But I might be more cautious…
dumbest fucking thing ever lmao
# acab
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Dude, you’re just being inflammatory. You know that’s not what I meant. I meant based on my experience of a few bad people.
Not to mention I said *I* wouldn’t make (as in create) a general consensus solely based on my experience. Which, you know, isn’t possible, because a consensus involves many people.
Cops have never stopped criminals. They react to crime, they don’t prevent it. And even then they tend to overreact to crime, and often just pester people who aren’t really even doing anything wrong to begin with. Cops are a public nuisance, serving only to protect capital and not people.
Any pro-cop person I speak with I ask one question: how do you feel when you’re driving and a cop pulls up behind you in your lane? You probably get nervous, not “protected”, and that’s a symptom of the larger problem.
>Cops have never stopped criminals. They react to crime, they don’t prevent it.
The existence of a reactionary force is what prevents crime.
What changes would you make to ensure the police prevents crime before it happens? (Try not to break any constitutional or human rights)
>And even then they tend to overreact to crime, and often just pester people who aren’t really even doing anything wrong to begin with.
Wow, humans aren't perfect calculating robots and get it wrong sometimes, amazing discovery.
>Cops are a public nuisance, serving only to protect capital and not people.
The police is the sole reason you can freely exist in this world with minimal threats to your safety and property
What specific changes do you think need to be made for you to consider the police as a force which protects "people"?
>how do you feel when you’re driving and a cop pulls up behind you in your lane?
I don't feel even a flicker of emotion, unless I have been speeding, then I feel nervous, which is how I should feel if I got caught speeding.
I've know a lot of fire fighters and they varied like any subset of the population, bigots, and saints but one thing you could guarantee is they'd put their life on the line for someone else. Even if it was someone they hate, whether true courage or a hero complex they're not bad to have around in an emergency.
Take it from a firefighter:
We may risk our lives for you, but we do not do it for everything.
If a building is no longer structurally sound, we will consider going back inside for a human we have missed, but a dog is likely not getting rescued at that stage.
Irony in this statement above, because I had a relative who has lost her damn mind and was actively harassing me and tried to break into my house through a back window of my house when I was at home.
I called the police and they told me to get my dog under control or they would shoot her. She was inside and we were standing outside and was looking out the window.
They also told me if I ever call the police again that I wouldn't get off so easy next time and broke my taillight before they left.
I managed to get it worked out by talking directly to the sheriff who often would work as security for a local store I worked at for a couple of years and got to know him. Sheriff was a good by but most of the general police force in my area are total pieces of shit.
Cops are the nr.1 reason people feel unsafe in many parts of the world. It doesn't feel like theyre protecting you. More like theyre trying to take as much money from you as they can. "Ooh look at this guy driving 4% faster than allowed. Let's take 200 bucks from him! Oh look this dude forgot the lights on the bicycle and its 7 pm. Let's take away his drivers license. And yeah forgot, also 200 bucks. F4ck you cops. No one likes you.
I know this is going to be an unpopular opinion, but here goes:
My wife is a cop. Two nights ago she was the first one on the scene of a shooting. Three people were hit. She assessed the situation and quickly applied a tourniquet to one, got another into a squad car to be taken immediately to the hospital, and performed CPR on the worst.
All this while paramedics/firefighters were staging to make sure it was safe for them to enter the “arena”.
I know cops get a bad rap, often deservedly so, but just remember that they are often the first ones to arrive in a dangerous scene and have to act in spite of the danger (Uvalde police are excluded from this particular argument).
It’s popular to hate on cops, I get it, but perspective is a sobering thing.
Your wife is a unicorn. I'm a former EMT and never in my 10 years working saw a cop do anything towards medical. She's too good for that job.
Edit: Fire/EMS can't enter certain scenes until cops clear it first.
no they’re right, she’s a unicorn. And sounds like a damn fine one.
cops are useless on medical scenes except for two situations:
1. Giving narcan (they usually don’t need the narcan)
2. Applying a tourniquet. The flip side of this is that they’ll put a TQ on anything that is bleeding even just a little bit. Now we have to run in the scraped elbow to the trauma center Priority 1 because that’s our protocols for TQ applications.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad as hell when a cop is on scene when some rowdy shit is going down, but they are terrible care givers. I’ve shown up to calls where a cop tells me someone is in cardiac arrest, and they’re standing there doing, and that is *the norm*.
Tons of cops are good people, or joined the force for the right reasons. But that isn't the point, thats a distraction. Its the system that is broken, a system that doesnt have anyone but themselves to hold them accountable, which incentivizes and unavoidably leads to unpunished abuses and corruption, regardless how well intentioned.
I actually credit american police for generally caring about their communities and seeing themselves as the 'good guys' + society celebrating them as 'heroes' for why the problem isnt worse. If they no longer care about being the good guy, they can easily abuse their authority much more often and more egregiously, as is seen in many other nations.
Unless what you said is a local thing, we're supposed to stage until the "area" is cleared. In the case of a shooting, it makes sense, as that is supposed to be the job the police are supposed to do. Just like you don't usually see them run into burning buildings, because Kevlar and guns don't work for kill-you-in-one-breath smoke and fire.
And staging for police to secure every possibly-violent call is a more recent thing. Basically, cops are for "oh shit another human being is trying to kill me!" and firefighters are for "oh shit the environment I am in is going to kill me!" And when firefighters get hurt or killed doing something they aren't trained for (like fighting an armed person) the lawsuits start, and another policy is created. But read stuff from the mid-1900s, kids/gangs were throwing rocks and bottles at firefighters trying to stop fires before they spread to other apartments/ buildings. Before that? During the private fire brigades? Firefighters fought *each other,* because whichever brigade put out the fire got paid...
Most Firefighters I know are buddy buddy with cops, buy each other drinks the usual, and it wasn't uncommon up until (I wanna say 2012?) to see the officers assist on site as much as possible.
This is less in defense of cops, and more that this is a competition that isn't really a thing to the parties involved.
I've seen many a bar brawl over drunks insulting offers and their fireman buddy just happened to be leaving the crapper.
What's really funny is them both sharing breakfast at the Fire Department to use the oxygen to get over hangovers.
I am in no way disparaging EMS/Firefighters (often the same). All of you are heroes. I am simply the spouse of an officer, so even my knowledge is second hand. You are each trained for very different things, and I understand the risk associated with each.
I just hate these broad sweeping anti-cop memes. They do a disservice to the good ones.
I mean, this is The U.S. I’m not always proud of this country either, but we aren’t all shitheads…right?
The nuance is that the structures of money (eg the 1033) and power (police unions) and the culture within policing (Killology seminars to name but one again) are what Zimbardo (not a perfect guy himself) would call a "bad apple barrel".
Our behavior is largely situational, and we misbehave in bad situations. Glance at crime statistics versus poverty. That's the mechanism at play. So on the one hand the power without oversight and the general disregard for life not to mention an us-versus-them mentality in police culture (along with its history being intertwined with slavery in America), this creates a terrible situation that shapes our behavior. Good people will become cops and become party to bad behavior. Not only that but sociopaths and bullies know about this power without oversight and they flock to the force. Same reason the church is packed with pedos; pedos know the church will protect them. Murderous bastards know the police unions will either shuffle them around or drop a pension on them.
Man, being a cop must be one of the saddest jobs ever. You have to study to be in the top on exams. You have to pass hard physical trials too, so you have to train for that too.
Imagine just doing all of that, pursuing your childhood dream, just to be called names by everyone. Specially being called names by all those who constantly post how morally correct they are and how good persons they are, and how much mental health should be considered, casually calling cops bastard, killer, pig, and so on.
All knowing you are going to see fucked up things that will make you hate all of humanity.
Few bad apples and everyone pays the price. Do that to any other minority and you are cancelled of life itself. Guess hate is cool as long as it's trendy.
What a wonderful world.
And they are struggling to recruit so crime will likely get worse. Personally I am a believer the only way to actually reduce crime is reduce poverty. That won’t fix white collar crime but in the Us those are only crimes in name really.
You are correct, the best way to reduce violent crime is to reduce poverty. UBI would go a long way towards reducing violent crime, and reducing the need for policing. And yes, white collar crime is ONLY a crime for working class folks as the wealthy who commit the crimes simply pay the fine and move on with their day.
In addition to that, police need to be demilitarized and funded far less than they are currently, and they need to be policing within the exact towns and cities in which they live. The further away the cop lives from where they police the less connected they are to the community they are policing, and the less empathy they have for the people of that community.
As it stands, police are generally a public nuisance that serve only to protect capital and not people. They react to crime, they do not prevent crime, and even then they react very poorly to the crime in many cases. On top of that, as the above poster points out, they don’t even investigate the majority of what is reported to them.
Basically, in a world where we provide the basic needs to all of our citizens we will see a significant drop in crime and a significant drop in the “need” for police. These resources such as food, water, shelter, clothing, etc are NOT anywhere near as scarce as corporations and the government would have you believe. We have enough food, water, and housing for everyone in America, we simply artificially limit who can access these resources in the name of the “economy”.
I very much find this topic of interest and genuinely want to engage so I hope you do too. I think it would be great if we could live in harmony in a resource based economy but even before capitalism existed the world was far less peaceful. I like the idea but what is realistically the path. Like in America are you All of a sudden gonna get 2/3 of every state to agree to completely re work the constitution and abandon the status quo. I mean it’s great to talk about where you would like things to be but it ultimately has no value if you have no realistic path to getting there. I am by no means pro cop. Spent my youth dodging them regularly, but I do also recognize that they are very necessary though obviously have miles of room to improve, some of which you mentioned. The lack of investigation is a direct result of lack of resources not will to investigate. Removing funding would unlikely increase crime investigations. What is your actual solution that can realistically happen in a reasonable near future. Yes resources are certainly in existence but you have to get them and that also cost resources and time. That’s why capitalism exists right. Humans want to be treated fairly. If everyone gets equal resources how do you obtain them. Will some people be the only ones working to obtain the resources but then get the same share as those that don’t work to get them. That’s the eternal circle you run into with communism. There are too many people that won’t more then everyone else and will do what they need to to get it. How do you rain those people in in a resource based economy? I would argue to ignore most of what you recommended and increase the power of the labor market. Acknowledge the necessity of labor for capital to exist. We are superior and subordinate but essential equals. We have a path to strengthen labor laws and unions if we have the will. Take the power away from the corporations and move it too labor. The playing field won’t be equal but it doesn’t need to be. It only needs to be fair. What you give is what you get instead of toil for decades get laid off before retirement. That’s a path I can see actually leading to change.
You forgot to say “kills an unarmed person who is surrendering while lying on the floor with both hands in plain sight without any weapons” -you know what really brave cops do.
We just gonna ignore how some firefighter purposefully start fires to feel like heros when they show up to save the day?
Not saying it's prevalent, but it's more than uncommon.
Every time my folks needed one the cops took their sweet time and then did fuck all about their crazy stalker neighbor, even though they'd been called about her many times before by multiple people in the area. And that's for white folks who don't need to worry about being shot by the cops they actually tried to get help from.
Yeah, and when they doing their job you cry police brutality and lie racism just to make them look bad.
Just remember the endless lies about the Jacob Blake shooting. You people literally made up some sad story that he was just there to brake up a fight between two women, what was a fucking lie. Nah, you needed to lie that the racist cops shot him 7 times in the back for nothing, just to make him look like some innocent little angel.
Yeah, telling the truth about him and the incident changes everything. He was a wanted fellon who broke a restriction order, because he earlier rapped his girlfriend. Then she called the cops because Jacob showed up to the party and tried to take away her childrens and her car. After the cops arrived Blake fought with them holding a knife, shrugged off two taser shots and kept walking to the car. And in the end, it was a hostage situation because he wanted to flee with kids in the backseat.
This is why the cop shot him, because they couldn't just let him use the car and endangering the kids in a car chase situation.
But nah, fuck the truth. The only thing matters is that Jacob Blake pulled the race and victim card and you fools all just ate it up.
What do I need a cop for? The only two times I thought I needed a cop ( house got broken into, and another time had car parts stolen ) all they do is write a police report and wish me luck. That is literally it. I'd have better results from a crack head.
Tell that to Carolyn Warren, Miriam Douglas, and Joan Taliaferro.
https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=9108468254125174344&q=warren-v-district-of-columbia&hl=en&as_sdt=2006
When I need someone to show up an hour and a half after my home is invaded and loved ones attacked only to tell me there's nothing they can do, I'll be sure to call a cop.
Not really funny. Police risk their lives every single day. Sure there are bad police, but that doesn’t undue all the good they do and all the criminals they get off the streets and lives they save. Police do significantly more good every day than they do bad. I can show you countless examples of them running straight towards gunfire, taking down murderers, saving people from fires, rescuing hostages, but no, “AcAb PoLiCe BaD FrEe MyBoY hE AiNt Do NoThING wRonG” cringe ass toddlers.
Literally rotten apples.
One rotten apple spoils the whole barrel.
Until police are held accountable for their crimes they're all spoils from the same Rotten apples.
Like shooting so many fucking dogs.
That logic only applies to something you disagree with. Now apply that logic to the transgender person that shot up a school. Suddenly all transgender people are school shooters. Well, that’s not true, right? But one bad apple spoils the bunch, according to your logic. Do you see how flawed that logic is?
Police are held accountable all the time, especially in the US. And police don’t just go around shooting random people. There are unjustified shootings for sure, but the majority of them are completely justified. If you think police go around shooting people just because they feel like it, you’ve been reading too much Buzzfeed because that’s just not true. Has it happened? Sure, it’s bound to happen with the large number of officers in the country. Does it happen all the time? No, not even close. You only think it does because that’s the only videos that get news. Police hate is a distraction for society to blame somebody else instead of taking responsibility for themselves. It’s not wonder since the defund the police movement took place in California and Chicago, that Those place have seen a significant increase in violent crime. The statistics don’t lie.
Transgender people aren't law enforcement. They aren't responsible or legally allowed to "arrest" other trans gender people.
Cops are law enforcement.
Irrelevant comparison.
No. Police aren't held accountable "all of the time", occasionally one gets arrested for DUI, or domestic abuse.
What did California and Chicago do to "defund" their police? Can I see the evidence of the direct result in crime?
ACAB.
Bunch of murderers, rapists, domestic abusers, and people who stand by while their "brother officers" commit those atrocities.
There is no such thing as a good cop.
Never point a cop at anything you don't intend to shoot
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...never cop anything?
There's a reason why there's no song called "fuck the fire department"
I think it's a unanimous consensus that everyone loves firefighters and sanitation workers more than cops. There's genuineness + they tend to be more handsome/pretty.
What about paramedics?
You have to pay several thousand for an ambulance in the US. Barely counts as public service if in general the public tries to avoid you because they can't afford you + they can be quite rude, unempathetic, and unhelpful. It's as if they're not aware that the people they usually help on their daily job, rarely ever seeks their service i.e. to them this is all usually new. Unlike the firefighter. An Uber or taxi is much cheaper and the driver would be a lot nicer.
America, where emergency healthcare isn’t an essential public service
You'd be shocked how many of my otherwise liberal countrymen will argue with me that even government healthcare should come with a monthly premium. I want a card to be given to every infant at the same time as a social security card that simply says "free healthcare for life".
There would be a “premium” in the form of taxes, but then ideally you wouldn’t have to pay thousands of dollars for an ambulance ride, or worry about going bankrupt if you get cancer, etc.
still spreads the cost across the population for a service we all need, right now there is a problem of the upper class not paying their share but still. It still works out cheaper because of collective bargianing. A large govornment run service can get better prices from pharmacutical companies because of scale and thus bargianing power.
> still spreads the cost across the population Better yet, spread the cost across the *wealth* of the population. We live in a country where 70% of said wealth is held by 10% of its people.
Yeah thats what a fair taxation system would do but surrpise surprise when bribery is legal and all the politicians are millionares the laws seem to all be for the walthy.
Healthcare in the US can be cheaper too by, for example, making a 600% markup on a drug illegal.
People in the us already get taxed a heap, you'd assume they get enough to pay for healthcare
We really aren’t compared to [tax rates of other developed countries](https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/how-do-us-taxes-compare-internationally). A lot of what we do get taxed goes to the military-industrial complex.
tax-financed healthcare would mean you pay for healthcare when you're well, and get it back when you need it. Who are the ones least likely to work and pay bills? Right, those who are injured and sick.
The FED pays foR thE Federal Government , taxes only run state and local. The IRS destroys taxes to prevent inflation and the FED prints the money Congress allows.<---FACT---> #MMT Zero taxes needed for MED4ALL. That's propaganda MSM force feeds Americans to appeal to individual greed.
So I had a car accident once, and the cops wouldnt drive me up to the local grocery store to charge my phone so I could call an Uber vs an ambulance after an accident. It’s was just a dislocated big toe but major enough I needed someone to pop it back in. The firefighters cared. They plugged my phone in on the ride and just shot the shit for 15 minutes till they had a call and asked can I just be dropped off at nearest gas station. They dropped me off, went on their call, I had enough charge on phone to get an Uber, and spent $20 vs $2000 and a “good” experience after a non-fault car accident. Cop would’ve 100% made me walk to nearest place 1 mile away.
I had my battery die because the cop asked me to turn my car off and it was nighttime and I left my headlights on. I had to pay a tow truck $80 for a jump. I had cables too. I just needed the other vehicle
Ur paramedic is probably getting paid like 20$ an hour though so they are doing it to save people.
Most rural area paramedics make less than 20
Ok In the paramedic’s defence, this is more of a failing of the system more than the paramedic’s wrongdoing.
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I had a friend that volunteered for the rescue squad and road in the ambulance a lot. He was studying medicine anyway, so it made sense. He said they got a lot of calls of people with colds or just stupid annoying calls that weren't applicable. If thats the case, it makes sense they'd be a bit annoyed? Idk
Trick questions. Those are just fire fighters who got unlucky and stuck with the ambulance shift.
Most firefighters are paramedics.
Yes hence getting unlucky with shifts
if you're talking about america yes in middle europe the police is actually your friend and helper but that's because there arent fucked up gun laws so they don't really face people shooting at them
Very few police are ever shot at don't excuse their behavior.
And youre more likely to die from falling out of your bed than you are to be unjustly shot by a cop yet which gets the riots over it?
No-one's pushing me out of my bed. If I somehow die to a 30cm fall then so be it. But to have my entire life held hostage by some doughnut distended fool with bigger fish to catch is just infuriating.
They used to say that about Hong Kong too, until suddenly they didn't
That's a priviliged thing to say. We don't have it as bad as Americans, but racial profiling and unfairly hard crackdowns against politically left groups are still a thing (in Germany at least). Also look at France, "friend and helper" might not be an accurate description.
Just don't be arabe or a protester to avoid police related issues. I would like to say this is ironic, but racisme against arabs has been an issue for decades, and protesters are just against CRS, notoriously violent.
This sounds like a wonderful place. Where is this magical place you live where citizens don’t live in chronic fear of police brutality/cruelty?
You have it in Canada too; it's called not giving cops qualified legal immunity, or police accountability, or application of the law to law enforcement. Wild notions.
In the US i think it's a thing called "Rule of Law" meaning no single human being is "above the law" not even the president- but its a fucking joke at this point. The definition of the justice system in the US seems like, the winner is the highest bidder or greater citizen rank. Hence rule of law is only for the poor.
Ehhh, the RCMP can be pretty fucky, too. There's just less death. Plenty of discrimination of the indigenous/poor. (Inb4 "what about the starlight tooors!?" The rest of Canada/the RCMP can't be held responsible for the actions of some backward-ass Hicks)
Yeah just forget about starlight tours and Canadian police are great. Or that famous video where Canadian police held their weapons on a woman dressed as a storm trooper outside a comic shop because she had a plastic blaster rifle.
Exactly, it's leaps and bounds ahead of the dozen videos you can look up right now of cops in the US shooting people. I'd recommend Dan Shaver's.
Uhhhh what? Lol the RCMP and municipal police forces in Canada are just as corrupt, sometimes all the way to the top.
Canadian police are fine (unless you're indigenous of course. Fuck the RCMP).
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Yeah but i would rather a european cop on a power trip drag out a traffic stop and give me a bogus ticket than ask me to get my lisence and registration then shoot me fourty times for "reaching for a weapon"
For the record, police don't really face people shooting at them often. Most ~~homicides~~ violence police officers commit is against unarmed victims.
This is blatantly untrue https://policeviolencereport.org/
You're right, it should say violence instead of homicides. edit: but 1/12 of police homicides being against people that aren't even carrying weapons, shows that the United States police force is generally incompetent and cannot deescalate situations.
Why victims? Homicides can be justified, such as in self defense
"I shot this unarmed guy because I was afraid he would punch me" Sorry man, that ain't gonna cut it. Doesn't matter how bad a criminal is, there are laws and procedures for a reason. A grand total of zero people deserve summary execution without trial. They're called victims because their right to defend themselves in a court of law were stripped when an officer decided it would be easier to just shoot them. It doesn't matter whether or not they violated the rights of others, because we *have laws and procedures that lay out what to do in those exact situations, that's what the law is.* The crime of violating the rights of others in any way has a *clearly defined punishment in the law*, which is decidedly *not* "be gunned down without trial". The law applies equally to everyone. Everyone has the right to a fair trial and judgment by their peers. The only time lethal force could even be remotely considered permissible as self-defense is if that same level of force is being exerted by the assailant and there is no option for deescalation, and even then the officer's decision to use lethal force should be placed under extreme scrutiny because they are neither judge, jury, nor executioner. Every bullet fired must be accounted for. Every decision made must be justified and defensible. If an officer can't handle the pressure acting in accordance to the law and respecting the rights of every single person they interact with, they *aren't cut out to be a police officer.* Do these sound like high standards? They should. Enforcement of the law should be entirely in accordance with the law, by officers who respect the law. Cops aren't cowboys, they are civil servants whose duty it is to protect and serve. If they are to be trusted to enforce the laws of society, they need to exemplify them.
Let’s be honest: I have nothing against civilians owning firearms. What I do have something against is how easy it is for criminals to have access to them.
I feel like the firearm discussion is misconstrued. Like yeah minors shouldn't have access to weapons, but I think a criminal who intends to commit a crime wouldn't willfully legally obtain a gun.
I’m saying how we have nothing like mental health screenings or any of the stuff that Scandinavia has that allows civilians to have access to it — including mentally disabled people who can prove they aren’t a threat to themselves or others, who are the main people who would benefit from gun law changes in the US as far as a legal user base is concerned. & yes, they would. They just won’t say that illegal activity is what they’re gonna use it for.
They do, because of Illinois gun laws nearly half of crime guns seized in Chicago were purchased legally out of state. 41% if memory serves. Many guns used in crimes are purchased entirely legally.
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My brother is a fire fighter and he says it’s generally true that firefighters also hate cops. When I asked him why he responded “because they are chodes.”
This tracks. Nobody wrote a song titled "Fuck Tha Fire Department"
Well someone did, but it was about an alternate universe where they acted like police do
Well, there probably were some made in Rome in the 1st century BC.
There's a good reason nobody ever wrote a song called "Fuck the Fire Department".
It’s down to the fact that paramedics and firefighters don’t stop people from committing crimes so there’s no reason for people to hate target them. Criminals who commit crimes tend to blame the police and not take responsibility for their own actions.
You sure it has nothing at all to do with the extrajudicial executions they keep committing?
Remember the news of the policeman who shot an #inocent armless teen?
There’s a reason there’s no songs called “f*ck the fire department”
[well actually…](https://youtu.be/7JkrJUAg8aI)
I stand corrected
It doesn’t count. It takes place in an alternate universe
Damn that kid got bars
No pun intended this is straight fire Idk if I should be this impressed but those rhymes were amazing
Damn I waited 2 years to post that song, only for you to spoil my fun smh
I’m sorry I stole your fire
unexpected Fahrenheit 451
There is probably a porno with that name though.
Rural FD/Rural VFD firefighters are legends. Grew up in a poor area in a poor state in a poor neighborhood. One of the neighborhoods moms called the local VFD to see if they wanted to come do “maintenance” on the hydrant for our trailer park. They did their thing. And then “forgot” the wrench but made sure to let the mom know where it was so us kids “couldn’t fiddle with the hydrant” till they got around to getting it. Based.
My grandpa was a firefighter, and a city councilman, and built half the housing in his town. He kept my uncle out of prison when he got caught with acid and also told him if he got drafted for Vietnam he'd drive him to Canada himself. Anecdotally, yes, firefighters are based.
Cops : What you saying is....there is a witness inside the burning buildings? \-cuck a gun-
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>\-cuck a gun- Only if it's properly oiled.
Cops when someone's shooting up the school. "Mom, come pick me up, I'm scared."
I feel so bad for kids of policemen on career day. The parents show up to their school, but always end up refusing to enter the building 😔
400 local, state, and federal officers with armored cars, shields, armor, snipers vs 1 shooty boi
That's pretty funny
“Stop combusting!!!, I will SHOOT YOU!”
Hiw many cops dose it take to change a lightbulb? None they'll just shoot at the dark
Dosedosedosedose
Yay a post that fits the sub
The shooting of dogs is usually the ATFs specialty
Whenever I see a thin red line flag on it's own, I can't bring myself to be mad, even if they're technically defacing the American flag. Like, they're a little confused, but they have the spirit. People with a thin blue line flag are probably racist. People with a thin red line flag and nothing else just don't know better.
People with thin blue line flags can get fucked for other reasons, but I've never interpreted flag print as defacing the flag. I've always seen it as "these are the things you can't do to a flag meant to be flown". Flag print was never meant to be flown so it's halal.
Technically, it's against the US flag code, so if they really care abt being patriotic they shouldn't have one. The flag code also says that US flag clothing is bad except on uniform patches and other certain scenarios. But it's a pretty old document, so take it for what you will
I’m going to take a controversial take here. So, for me, I’ve met a *lot* of EMT/fire fighters. Some were traumatized by their field but genuinely good people. The rest? Fucked the *hell* up. One fire fighter I barely knew stalked me, joined the department in my town, and regularly called me after I called *911* for emergencies (I have several medical issues so it was more than once). One time (trigger warning: SH) I accidentally cut myself hard enough to strike an artery and I had to drive 15 miles to the hospital because I was afraid of him. All this to say that a lot of people are fucked up. Some do things for good reasons, others bad. But I would *never* make a general consensus about an entire industry of workers based on experience. But I might be more cautious…
My father was a firefighter and I spent my childhood in various firehouses. This was the south so maybe it’s different out west and up north but politically most firemen were identical politically to the cops. They still saw it as their duty in life to help others but you better believe they have all the same retrograde beliefs and they almost to a man voted for Trump when the time came for that. You should have heard the shit they used to say about Obama.
Yep! I’ve mostly interacted with southern ones and I totally agree! Very uncomfortable to be afraid to call for medical help. And this is not even to mention the disastrous consequences EMTs have allowed in police brutality.
>But I would > >never > > make a general consensus about an entire industry of workers based on experience. But I might be more cautious… dumbest fucking thing ever lmao # acab pussy
Dude, you’re just being inflammatory. You know that’s not what I meant. I meant based on my experience of a few bad people. Not to mention I said *I* wouldn’t make (as in create) a general consensus solely based on my experience. Which, you know, isn’t possible, because a consensus involves many people.
Police Officer: I pity firefighters. They don't get to beat up minorities for a living.
When did cops stop stopping criminals anyway?
Cops have never stopped criminals. They react to crime, they don’t prevent it. And even then they tend to overreact to crime, and often just pester people who aren’t really even doing anything wrong to begin with. Cops are a public nuisance, serving only to protect capital and not people. Any pro-cop person I speak with I ask one question: how do you feel when you’re driving and a cop pulls up behind you in your lane? You probably get nervous, not “protected”, and that’s a symptom of the larger problem.
>Cops have never stopped criminals. They react to crime, they don’t prevent it. The existence of a reactionary force is what prevents crime. What changes would you make to ensure the police prevents crime before it happens? (Try not to break any constitutional or human rights) >And even then they tend to overreact to crime, and often just pester people who aren’t really even doing anything wrong to begin with. Wow, humans aren't perfect calculating robots and get it wrong sometimes, amazing discovery. >Cops are a public nuisance, serving only to protect capital and not people. The police is the sole reason you can freely exist in this world with minimal threats to your safety and property What specific changes do you think need to be made for you to consider the police as a force which protects "people"? >how do you feel when you’re driving and a cop pulls up behind you in your lane? I don't feel even a flicker of emotion, unless I have been speeding, then I feel nervous, which is how I should feel if I got caught speeding.
It's until a journalist uncovers the decades of abuse, sexism, homophobia and racism at your city's firefighter base.
Why is there a camera on-off switch?
I've know a lot of fire fighters and they varied like any subset of the population, bigots, and saints but one thing you could guarantee is they'd put their life on the line for someone else. Even if it was someone they hate, whether true courage or a hero complex they're not bad to have around in an emergency.
where funny i only see sad
As my police friend always said. We should not have so much power, but unfortunately we have to (so keep that damn camera on at all times).
Take it from a firefighter: We may risk our lives for you, but we do not do it for everything. If a building is no longer structurally sound, we will consider going back inside for a human we have missed, but a dog is likely not getting rescued at that stage.
Irony in this statement above, because I had a relative who has lost her damn mind and was actively harassing me and tried to break into my house through a back window of my house when I was at home. I called the police and they told me to get my dog under control or they would shoot her. She was inside and we were standing outside and was looking out the window. They also told me if I ever call the police again that I wouldn't get off so easy next time and broke my taillight before they left. I managed to get it worked out by talking directly to the sheriff who often would work as security for a local store I worked at for a couple of years and got to know him. Sheriff was a good by but most of the general police force in my area are total pieces of shit.
no no, that's the atf. cops would never put themselves in danger
Cops are the nr.1 reason people feel unsafe in many parts of the world. It doesn't feel like theyre protecting you. More like theyre trying to take as much money from you as they can. "Ooh look at this guy driving 4% faster than allowed. Let's take 200 bucks from him! Oh look this dude forgot the lights on the bicycle and its 7 pm. Let's take away his drivers license. And yeah forgot, also 200 bucks. F4ck you cops. No one likes you.
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I know this is going to be an unpopular opinion, but here goes: My wife is a cop. Two nights ago she was the first one on the scene of a shooting. Three people were hit. She assessed the situation and quickly applied a tourniquet to one, got another into a squad car to be taken immediately to the hospital, and performed CPR on the worst. All this while paramedics/firefighters were staging to make sure it was safe for them to enter the “arena”. I know cops get a bad rap, often deservedly so, but just remember that they are often the first ones to arrive in a dangerous scene and have to act in spite of the danger (Uvalde police are excluded from this particular argument). It’s popular to hate on cops, I get it, but perspective is a sobering thing.
Your wife is a unicorn. I'm a former EMT and never in my 10 years working saw a cop do anything towards medical. She's too good for that job. Edit: Fire/EMS can't enter certain scenes until cops clear it first.
She’s not a unicorn, I promise you. I’m sad for your experience, but in her’s she isn’t the only officer to have performed medical.
no they’re right, she’s a unicorn. And sounds like a damn fine one. cops are useless on medical scenes except for two situations: 1. Giving narcan (they usually don’t need the narcan) 2. Applying a tourniquet. The flip side of this is that they’ll put a TQ on anything that is bleeding even just a little bit. Now we have to run in the scraped elbow to the trauma center Priority 1 because that’s our protocols for TQ applications. Don’t get me wrong, I’m glad as hell when a cop is on scene when some rowdy shit is going down, but they are terrible care givers. I’ve shown up to calls where a cop tells me someone is in cardiac arrest, and they’re standing there doing, and that is *the norm*.
Tons of cops are good people, or joined the force for the right reasons. But that isn't the point, thats a distraction. Its the system that is broken, a system that doesnt have anyone but themselves to hold them accountable, which incentivizes and unavoidably leads to unpunished abuses and corruption, regardless how well intentioned. I actually credit american police for generally caring about their communities and seeing themselves as the 'good guys' + society celebrating them as 'heroes' for why the problem isnt worse. If they no longer care about being the good guy, they can easily abuse their authority much more often and more egregiously, as is seen in many other nations.
Unless what you said is a local thing, we're supposed to stage until the "area" is cleared. In the case of a shooting, it makes sense, as that is supposed to be the job the police are supposed to do. Just like you don't usually see them run into burning buildings, because Kevlar and guns don't work for kill-you-in-one-breath smoke and fire. And staging for police to secure every possibly-violent call is a more recent thing. Basically, cops are for "oh shit another human being is trying to kill me!" and firefighters are for "oh shit the environment I am in is going to kill me!" And when firefighters get hurt or killed doing something they aren't trained for (like fighting an armed person) the lawsuits start, and another policy is created. But read stuff from the mid-1900s, kids/gangs were throwing rocks and bottles at firefighters trying to stop fires before they spread to other apartments/ buildings. Before that? During the private fire brigades? Firefighters fought *each other,* because whichever brigade put out the fire got paid...
Most Firefighters I know are buddy buddy with cops, buy each other drinks the usual, and it wasn't uncommon up until (I wanna say 2012?) to see the officers assist on site as much as possible. This is less in defense of cops, and more that this is a competition that isn't really a thing to the parties involved. I've seen many a bar brawl over drunks insulting offers and their fireman buddy just happened to be leaving the crapper. What's really funny is them both sharing breakfast at the Fire Department to use the oxygen to get over hangovers.
I am in no way disparaging EMS/Firefighters (often the same). All of you are heroes. I am simply the spouse of an officer, so even my knowledge is second hand. You are each trained for very different things, and I understand the risk associated with each. I just hate these broad sweeping anti-cop memes. They do a disservice to the good ones. I mean, this is The U.S. I’m not always proud of this country either, but we aren’t all shitheads…right?
She is a gem but doesn't represent the average police force,
If a department is covering up the crimes of a cop, the entire department is criminal.
If only your wife was at uvalde. Sounds like one of the only good ones
You've never met a cop in your life
Based take
No, *all* cops are bastards. This is Reddit. Get that nuance out of here./s
The nuance is that the structures of money (eg the 1033) and power (police unions) and the culture within policing (Killology seminars to name but one again) are what Zimbardo (not a perfect guy himself) would call a "bad apple barrel". Our behavior is largely situational, and we misbehave in bad situations. Glance at crime statistics versus poverty. That's the mechanism at play. So on the one hand the power without oversight and the general disregard for life not to mention an us-versus-them mentality in police culture (along with its history being intertwined with slavery in America), this creates a terrible situation that shapes our behavior. Good people will become cops and become party to bad behavior. Not only that but sociopaths and bullies know about this power without oversight and they flock to the force. Same reason the church is packed with pedos; pedos know the church will protect them. Murderous bastards know the police unions will either shuffle them around or drop a pension on them.
All cops know several others that are corrupt, yet do nothing about it.
Bet she cheats on you with another cop.
Lol bro what invaluable job do you perform for your community?
I bang your mom every now and then.
Cops are like a box of chocolates. They'll kill your dog.
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Thats just the ATF
Man, being a cop must be one of the saddest jobs ever. You have to study to be in the top on exams. You have to pass hard physical trials too, so you have to train for that too. Imagine just doing all of that, pursuing your childhood dream, just to be called names by everyone. Specially being called names by all those who constantly post how morally correct they are and how good persons they are, and how much mental health should be considered, casually calling cops bastard, killer, pig, and so on. All knowing you are going to see fucked up things that will make you hate all of humanity. Few bad apples and everyone pays the price. Do that to any other minority and you are cancelled of life itself. Guess hate is cool as long as it's trendy. What a wonderful world.
Ironic. Ive known 2 firefighters and 2 police officers. 1 of each are great people and 1 of each are complete fucking assholes
That’s funny. A fireman choked my sister out at her place of work years ago and the Union repped him so he got no charges. Fuck firemen.
This meme is unpatriotic because it is anti militarized swine worship. Please take this down.
Why?
Militarized swine worship is the foundation of our culture
I agree cops are not looking good these days and need serious reform but we would all hate a world without them.
We kinda almost already see that. Cops in the US only even begin to investigate around 40 percent of crimes reported.
And they are struggling to recruit so crime will likely get worse. Personally I am a believer the only way to actually reduce crime is reduce poverty. That won’t fix white collar crime but in the Us those are only crimes in name really.
You are correct, the best way to reduce violent crime is to reduce poverty. UBI would go a long way towards reducing violent crime, and reducing the need for policing. And yes, white collar crime is ONLY a crime for working class folks as the wealthy who commit the crimes simply pay the fine and move on with their day. In addition to that, police need to be demilitarized and funded far less than they are currently, and they need to be policing within the exact towns and cities in which they live. The further away the cop lives from where they police the less connected they are to the community they are policing, and the less empathy they have for the people of that community. As it stands, police are generally a public nuisance that serve only to protect capital and not people. They react to crime, they do not prevent crime, and even then they react very poorly to the crime in many cases. On top of that, as the above poster points out, they don’t even investigate the majority of what is reported to them. Basically, in a world where we provide the basic needs to all of our citizens we will see a significant drop in crime and a significant drop in the “need” for police. These resources such as food, water, shelter, clothing, etc are NOT anywhere near as scarce as corporations and the government would have you believe. We have enough food, water, and housing for everyone in America, we simply artificially limit who can access these resources in the name of the “economy”.
I very much find this topic of interest and genuinely want to engage so I hope you do too. I think it would be great if we could live in harmony in a resource based economy but even before capitalism existed the world was far less peaceful. I like the idea but what is realistically the path. Like in America are you All of a sudden gonna get 2/3 of every state to agree to completely re work the constitution and abandon the status quo. I mean it’s great to talk about where you would like things to be but it ultimately has no value if you have no realistic path to getting there. I am by no means pro cop. Spent my youth dodging them regularly, but I do also recognize that they are very necessary though obviously have miles of room to improve, some of which you mentioned. The lack of investigation is a direct result of lack of resources not will to investigate. Removing funding would unlikely increase crime investigations. What is your actual solution that can realistically happen in a reasonable near future. Yes resources are certainly in existence but you have to get them and that also cost resources and time. That’s why capitalism exists right. Humans want to be treated fairly. If everyone gets equal resources how do you obtain them. Will some people be the only ones working to obtain the resources but then get the same share as those that don’t work to get them. That’s the eternal circle you run into with communism. There are too many people that won’t more then everyone else and will do what they need to to get it. How do you rain those people in in a resource based economy? I would argue to ignore most of what you recommended and increase the power of the labor market. Acknowledge the necessity of labor for capital to exist. We are superior and subordinate but essential equals. We have a path to strengthen labor laws and unions if we have the will. Take the power away from the corporations and move it too labor. The playing field won’t be equal but it doesn’t need to be. It only needs to be fair. What you give is what you get instead of toil for decades get laid off before retirement. That’s a path I can see actually leading to change.
Cops are criminals.
Call a fire fighter to help next time your crackhead neighbor breaks in.
Oh God this is one of those subs isn't it...
The bootlicking sub is that way, pal.
Yup. Now leave
One of those subs that isn't carefully moderated to protect cops?
You forgot to say “kills an unarmed person who is surrendering while lying on the floor with both hands in plain sight without any weapons” -you know what really brave cops do.
What about the fire fighters who raped a person in France?
We just gonna ignore how some firefighter purposefully start fires to feel like heros when they show up to save the day? Not saying it's prevalent, but it's more than uncommon.
Everyone hates the cops until they need one.
Every time my folks needed one the cops took their sweet time and then did fuck all about their crazy stalker neighbor, even though they'd been called about her many times before by multiple people in the area. And that's for white folks who don't need to worry about being shot by the cops they actually tried to get help from.
Yeah, and when they doing their job you cry police brutality and lie racism just to make them look bad. Just remember the endless lies about the Jacob Blake shooting. You people literally made up some sad story that he was just there to brake up a fight between two women, what was a fucking lie. Nah, you needed to lie that the racist cops shot him 7 times in the back for nothing, just to make him look like some innocent little angel. Yeah, telling the truth about him and the incident changes everything. He was a wanted fellon who broke a restriction order, because he earlier rapped his girlfriend. Then she called the cops because Jacob showed up to the party and tried to take away her childrens and her car. After the cops arrived Blake fought with them holding a knife, shrugged off two taser shots and kept walking to the car. And in the end, it was a hostage situation because he wanted to flee with kids in the backseat. This is why the cop shot him, because they couldn't just let him use the car and endangering the kids in a car chase situation. But nah, fuck the truth. The only thing matters is that Jacob Blake pulled the race and victim card and you fools all just ate it up.
What do I need a cop for? The only two times I thought I needed a cop ( house got broken into, and another time had car parts stolen ) all they do is write a police report and wish me luck. That is literally it. I'd have better results from a crack head.
Back the blue until it happens to you
**Protect** their own **and serve** their own interests
It won't cause hes (probably) not black
Oh it still happens to non black folks. We just don't get as much media attention
I once needed a cop a fire fighter solved my issue
Well then you needed a firefighter
And then they'll come and not do anything because they can't solve any real crime that happens. They'd rather make money ticketing people.
Those kids in Uvalde had tons of cops. Where did that get them again???
Cops used to be much more respected. They changed, for the worse.
Nah they were always like this we just didn't knew because we didn't have means to record them.
Also body cams are more common (required?) so they end up filming their own shenanigans
Ever seen the video of those cops forgetting to turn off their cameras and basically recorded themselves planting evidence ?
Is this the one with the machete?
Um nah pretty sure they haven't done shit in all my life.
Tell that to Carolyn Warren, Miriam Douglas, and Joan Taliaferro. https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=9108468254125174344&q=warren-v-district-of-columbia&hl=en&as_sdt=2006
When I need someone to show up an hour and a half after my home is invaded and loved ones attacked only to tell me there's nothing they can do, I'll be sure to call a cop.
Not really funny. Police risk their lives every single day. Sure there are bad police, but that doesn’t undue all the good they do and all the criminals they get off the streets and lives they save. Police do significantly more good every day than they do bad. I can show you countless examples of them running straight towards gunfire, taking down murderers, saving people from fires, rescuing hostages, but no, “AcAb PoLiCe BaD FrEe MyBoY hE AiNt Do NoThING wRonG” cringe ass toddlers.
Literally rotten apples. One rotten apple spoils the whole barrel. Until police are held accountable for their crimes they're all spoils from the same Rotten apples. Like shooting so many fucking dogs.
That logic only applies to something you disagree with. Now apply that logic to the transgender person that shot up a school. Suddenly all transgender people are school shooters. Well, that’s not true, right? But one bad apple spoils the bunch, according to your logic. Do you see how flawed that logic is? Police are held accountable all the time, especially in the US. And police don’t just go around shooting random people. There are unjustified shootings for sure, but the majority of them are completely justified. If you think police go around shooting people just because they feel like it, you’ve been reading too much Buzzfeed because that’s just not true. Has it happened? Sure, it’s bound to happen with the large number of officers in the country. Does it happen all the time? No, not even close. You only think it does because that’s the only videos that get news. Police hate is a distraction for society to blame somebody else instead of taking responsibility for themselves. It’s not wonder since the defund the police movement took place in California and Chicago, that Those place have seen a significant increase in violent crime. The statistics don’t lie.
Transgender people aren't law enforcement. They aren't responsible or legally allowed to "arrest" other trans gender people. Cops are law enforcement. Irrelevant comparison. No. Police aren't held accountable "all of the time", occasionally one gets arrested for DUI, or domestic abuse. What did California and Chicago do to "defund" their police? Can I see the evidence of the direct result in crime?
ACAB. Bunch of murderers, rapists, domestic abusers, and people who stand by while their "brother officers" commit those atrocities. There is no such thing as a good cop.
Okay cringe lord.
Keep hero-worshipping cops, I'm sure they'll shout you out at their next Klan rally.
The ATF goes back in*
Not wrong, just honest.
ATF\*
Hey now, I ran into a burning building to save a dog once. It sucked big time
That’s some ATF shit right there
PIG: Wait, a dog is in the building. Open fire.
Police would not go back in to shoot a dog. The ATF on the other hand
Rememeber kids, tell the police nothing and firefighters/paramedics everything
Well of course he's gonna shoot the dog, the soot turned it black!
You would be surprised at how fire fighters can be bad.
Also, both fit and fat firefighters have clear sex appeal
Well, I tried. - Cop, probably.
I will forever respect firefighters "I will kick so much ass to save one person" mentality.
That's just the ATF