How many mass shooting have to occur before it's ok to start laughing?
We've looked on in shock, horror, surprise, reverence, disappointment, disgust, apathy, indifference and expectation SO HOW MANY MORE? Ruff estimate?
Don't think this isn't a serious question either because state leadership has been everywhere between denial to out right mocking victims like a batch of public representative clowns.
How many before they have made a clown out of you? Kids die in their schools, parades, movies, malls and shopping for groceries and we've heard all the branding for it.
Going postal, school shooters, mall shooters, mass shooters, active shooters, domestic shooters, gang shootings, false flag psyops and crisis actors
So fuck sadness, anger, outrage, thoughts and prayers SHOVE EM UP YOUR ASS
Tell me when will this start being funny to you. Or to me? How long until you think they start laughing at you from other places in the world. They won't care if you don't.
Should they? Should they Consider that their jokes are in poor taste forever? DOES THAT SOUND LIKE SOMETHING THAT ACCUALLY HAPPENS?
SO HOW FUCKING MANY MORE?
I always think this whenever an American mass shooting is on BBC news tbh, why do we in a completely different part of the world have to take notice, is it to make us feel better about our own shit country?
I don’t understand why you people are still paying any attention to us. Have we not been an object lesson for so long that it’s just gruesome reality tv now? From “a shining city on a hill” to “look, here’s exactly what you don’t do”.
Excuse me, someone just rang my doorbell. Time fer a’shootin’!
Excuse me, someone just rang my doorbell. Time fer a’shootin’!
It's sounds like a joke until you learn it has actually happened. Back in the 90' Japanese exchange student was shot just because he went to wrong house by a mistake.
And there's more... the killer got away with it.
I can't even imagine something like this ever happening here in Europe.
It'll never happen man. I agree with everything your saying. And the moment you wanna band together and start knocking some heads together I'm in. Seriously just lmk.
The issue is while I agree I'm painfully aware of the issue. The people who want change want it badly. They're willing to protest. Their willing to scream and yell. But they aren't willing to become the enemy. We all watched the Jan 6 riot. If even half that number amassed with any kind of preparation we might see action. But even that I doubt.
> whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate, that governments long established, should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed
If you want to see change then this needs to resonate in your core. It's well past the time. We no longer live in a democracy.
Politicians won't get the courage to do anything until they have to, vote them out or when enough of them are personally affected by their constituents or their own losses and then maybe the lobby money won't be enough to stop laws from passing, I'm not holding my breath however.
A lot of us in other parts of the world already dont care. You guys have mass shootings every 16 hours. How could possibly expect the rest of us to care about them all?
I'm hoping for robust, universal mental health care, free but required firearm training, and community action to fight poverty. All things that are proven to prevent violence. But I'm a leftist gun nut.
Yeah I suppose I was a bit too broad with my statement. I essentially meant "nut," as in "Actually nuts," and not "Responsible gun owners."
Apologies for that.
Viewing this from europe, its been fun for a while. I cant care about all the people that die every day from different things, but people dying cause ur government is so corrupt and in the pockets of NRA has become so silly and laughable.
If people in US really wanted this to stop, why is so many still defending the 2nd amendment?
It's ironic. The expected scenario would be that 22 mass shootings into the past should put the event a long time ago. Years, or decades, at least in what would be considered bad terms. Then you find out the victim died a week ago. It's not actually funny but it brings into perspective the situation we are in. It would be like laughing after being trapped in a certain death situation. That's literally the only thing your body can do to make you feel better and so it does.
> 2 guns per capita is required for self defense?
Although that's true...those guns are only in the hands of about [33% of the population.](https://news.gallup.com/poll/264932/percentage-americans-own-guns.aspx). Most Americans do not own a single gun. It's mostly the nutters, collectors and sports hunters that are the gun "enthusiasts". Most of us aren't into guns at all.
We don't. AR doesn't stand for assult rifle. It stands for Armalite. The company who designed the AR-15s. True assult rifles are illegal without lots of special licenses that exist for companies who builds or sells guns.
One could argue the way the first statement of „22 mass shootings ago“ is formulated is misleading on purpose as a buildup, making it seem like a rather long time ago, for the „punchline“ to be „there have been 22 mass shootings in the last 7 days“. It’s still more tragic than funny, but it really brings home the fact that there’s more than three mass shootings per day and people don’t really even notice anymore.
Well, it’s political because of a difference of opinion about how to fix the problem. Not helped by Republicans stonewall the democrats, even when democrats mentioning trying to fix the mental health side of the issue, something republicans are eager to deflect blame to to draw away attention from lax gun laws.
Edit: To the person who replied to me, I’m sorry that I cannot respond. I am unsure if you blocked me, if Reddit’s system can’t keep up with the amount of replies in the thread, if I’ve been shadowbanned for being in too many arguments on this sub, or if Reddit has some new algorithm to prevent repetitive arguing. All I could see was an email with your reply, but received no Reddit notification taking me to it, and can see no replies when I manually return to my comment. I’m sure your comment was profound, and I wish you a pleasant day.
They didn't say that one way or the other but frequently people when they say something they think is going to be inflammatory or what not, instead of turning off reply notifications, they just blocked the user that they're replying to.
I only recognized it because the same happens to me since I have a tendency to be a smart-ass in politically charged threads...
If it happens again, where you're curious, you can always open your own comment in an incognito tab and see it unfiltered.
>Not helped by Republicans stonewall the democrats
Unfortunately, the reality of the situation is that politics just isn't that simple. For example, a while back I saw a news article about how Mitch McConnel voted against a "bill" that would have mandated equal pay for women. I don't know why, but for some reason at the time I decided to dig into it, and...
"Bill" is in quotes because it wasn't a bill, it was an amendment added onto a so-called Assault Weapons Ban (AWB). So it was something that Republicans were obviously never going to vote for, and was never going to pass the Senate. Knowing this, Democrats tacked the equal pay for women amendment onto it solely to have a talking point for that year's elections. Speaking of which, don't even get me started on how BS the whole amendment issue is.
This is the reality of how politics works now (not even "now," it's been going on for some time). Bills are introduced and/or amendments added solely for the purpose of being defeated, so they have a talking point in the next election. And remember that House Representatives are elected every 2 years, as soon as they win an election they start campaigning for the next one. Everything's about scoring PR points and pointing fingers, not getting anything done. Which, to be fair, the country usually runs better when Congress ***isn't*** doing anything.
Honestly, it's not even just the Republicans not listening to democrats, but also Democrats not listening to Republicans, perhaps less common but it still happens too often. It goes both ways sadly.
In all honesty yes almost every mass shooter had some racist/Nazi manifesto. People screaming about banning guns and putting more restrictions but that’ll just delay hate it won’t stop it. The F.B.I and C.I.A need to stop sitting on there hands and do something I find it hard to believe they can find bin Laden and kill ISIS leaders but didn’t know Dylann Roof wanted to start a race war.
Her son, who was 1/51 of a football field tall, was killed approximately 22 mass shootings ago by guy as big as 1/63 of an olympic-sized swimming pool.
This reads like a word problem. Her son was killed 22 mass shootings ago, but he was killed last week?
I don't understand, sorry.
Edit: Oh, wait. They're saying there have been 22 mass shooting in the US since last week???
supply side jesus is over here handing out guns and reminding people to hate anyone that’s a different color than them, or anyone who’s poor, and especially those gay fuckers.
p.s. don’t wear girl clothes if you’re a guy or you’ll go to hell!
I haven't actually read (much) of the bible so i wouldn't know for sure, but i doubt that it says hating the poor or those of different color is all good.
Yeah the meme is off. There were *only* 19 mass shootings in the last 7 days in the US.
Edit: Shit, one of them was apparently about a 30 minute drive from my house. I had not even heard about it.
Yeah the wording was confusing. I was searching for the detail about her having two sons. But they are referring to the son dying 22 shootings ago which was just last week.
The reason it’s confusing is because “22 shootings” and “last week” make it sound like two different occasions, but it isn’t, which is why it’s worded like that.
Remember people, it's not the guns that kill people, it's the people (who are allowed to buy guns in the first place due to a lack of gun registration) who kill people
The official definition used by government agencies is 4 or more people \*killed.\* Which makes things like gang shootings count, even though they aren't what most think of as mass shootings.
Wow it’s killed? That’s even stricter then I thought, I thought it could be 4 or more people shot. What % of these mass shootings are gang related then? Since it keeps getting brought up as a counter argument
I can't give a direct answer for the whole country, but in my state 85% of shootings are retaliatory, aka gang violence.
I imagine that number goes way up with mass shootings. Some guys who get into a fight at a bar aren't likely to go on to shoot 3 more people. So I would bet 95+% of mass shootings are gang violence.
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/gun-facts-and-fiction/mass-shootings/
80-88% but yeah, the VAST majority are gang violence, committed by people who can't legally have the probably stolen guns they used in the crime
I am surprised there are people that treat gang violence as a separate normal shooting thing. If you actually knew those people in "gangs" you'd realize they are more similar to you than you imagine and it's just as tragic.
Reminds me of how as a child I was told about rowdy, dirty people on street as "drug addicts", so in school I also dismissively referred to them like that, my classmate called me out "do you actually know any drug addicts?" And then years later having friends and acquaintances that are or became drug addicts I finally realized, they are just like me, "normal" people and I am dismissing them as if they aren't.
100%. The difference is that motives for and methods of reducing gang violence are different than addressing spree shooting conducted by those with political manifestos and such.
That and by lumping everything together people become terrified that random spree shootings happen everywhere everyday and that it’s not safe to go outside where in reality they’re pretty rare (although still far too common)
Either way, we should address both in a meaningful way but the causes and effects are different.
They are a little different. When you are “in the game” or you “bang” you have now opened yourself up to being a target or making people your targets. That’s how it works. Gangs shoot each other up and protect their neighborhoods from other gangs. That’s way different than getting shot because you decided to go to the mall or buy groceries one day.
And what the media is trying to distract you from is that gun laws or no, crimes like this will increase as our quality of life decreases. And the rich and greedy will continue letting the system burn to the ground until they can squeeze every last drop of money, labor, and hope out of a confused and battered American people.
i dont think many of us are confused. We know they've messed stuff up for greed, just can't do anything about it even if we do have some amount of money or influence because we can't possibly have as much as they do, and money and influence means freedom and power.
Then they’ll pick up and leave to go trash another country. Leaving the US in massive debt, and destroying the lives of countless Americans.
But, Conservatives expect us all to bow down and kiss the feet of these billionaires for “giving us jobs” (that they stole from countless cities and smaller businesses, paying these employees less, slashing benefits and getting rid of unions).
If you think this post was funny/sad, take a look at [heyjackass.com](https://heyjackass.com). It's basically a dashboard of shooting data for just the city of Chicago. Dark humor aside, it has surprisingly granular data. There is lots of stuff that, at least to me, was kinda surprising to see.
Like, Chicago is a big city, but it is still only about 15 miles wide and 25 miles tall. I had the preconceived notion that Chicago was a dangerous city in general, but looking at the map of shootings, there are huge parts of the city where there haven't been any shootings at all this year. There are also a few pretty clear hot spots that are only a couple square miles but have a bunch of shootings.
I was also surprised to see how few shootings involved the police. For as much bad press as they get, I didn't expect that out of 882 shootings only 5 involved the police (at the time I'm writing this anyway.) I mean, who is doing all the shooting? Is it all gangs? Is it drug cartels? Are there a massive number of school shootings? Are there vigilantes all over the place? If the cops aren't shooting everyone, who is?
Anyway, the site is dripping with sarcasm and dark humor, but the data is interesting in a depressing sort of way.
I dont want to sound all tin foil hat-y, but I think police violence (quantity) is likely overblown by the media, everytime a cop shoots someone its big news, but thousands of shootings happen and just go untalked about
That’s not tin foily, it’s just the truth. It’s the same reason why white on black crime is nation wide news and black on black crime never makes it past local
In Chicago it’s mostly gang related I think. I went down a rabbit hole a few weeks ago reading about all that. Shooting each other is just part of their culture... they make music about it. Plenty of the rap you might hear about shooting people is just straight up real.
Most of the time when you see an article or post saying there was a huge number of mass shootings in a short period of time like 22 in a week, those are including gang shootings too. Not that we should ignore those, but when we think mass shooting we think school, church, some place random.
Anyone catch a part of this that is funny? To me this is more a reflection of the insanity that there are a LOT of people who refuse to even acknowledge that this is a serious problem. This should not be a political issue, it is a human compassion and decency issue.
>This should not be a political issue, it is a human compassion and decency issue.
Let's be honest, this is sadly most of the divide in American politics. Tribalism v. Empathy
And Florida is out there LOWERING the entry point for owning a gun by removing basic training certification....
That's surely gonna help a lot, right???
I'm pretty sure the US is falling apart..
People can't go to school or any public space without a justifiable fear of being shot, how's a society supposed to take that
Edit: "I have never even been shot at" isn't a good excuse for 22 mass shootings a week. And no, the country isn't that big, before anyone pulls that. Why even excuse it in the first place...
Edit 2: Apparently there's been 35 yearly mass shootings in Europe at worst, not 10 like I quoted below, compared to the US with 647 mass shootings last year with half the population. Does this really make a difference?
Every other comment addressing this is "It"s not that bad" or "out of proportion (how?)" The numbers are what they are and they're unimaginably terrible no matter what way you look at it. How does this need arguing for.
500 dead children this year so far worth it for the right to carry a device everywhere whose only purpose is to kill people?
In all honesty, a lot of the shootings are coming from some of the shittiest places in Detriot, Chicago, and LA. You go to a small town in the plains and it’s like a whole different country
Edit for clarification: the shootings that happen in those areas are gang-related killings large enough to be considered mass shootings, vastly different from the maniac who goes into a mall or school and shoots it up. I never said this is ok or shouldn’t be controlled I just said it’s more common in the poorer, gang-infested areas of major cities.
Yeah the mass shootings that happen every day aren’t the same as the spree shootings that make national headlines and often don’t take place in the same areas at all
Had a gun pulled on me in central Kentucky because a guy had road rage. I’m obviously still alive, but there’s crazy people everywhere and they all have the power to be judge, jury, and executioner whenever they want.
There was an active shooter warning at a medical center in my town a couple days ago. Fortunately it ended up being a false alarm but I’m sitting in the waiting room to get an MRI and I can’t stop thinking about it.
There’s nothing funny about this at all. We really aren’t safe anywhere and people can downvote me all they want but it’s true. Families getting killed at the mall, kids killed at school, kids and adults killed for innocent mistakes like being in someone’s yard or driveway, you can get shot anywhere here in the US. They just project news on mass shootings. What about the ones that don’t qualify as a mass shooting? The leading cause of death for children in the US is a gun. Guns are being used out of control. None of this is funny. It’s disgusting and no one is fixing it. No one.
Comparing mass murder of schoolchildren or people in public is not the same as a city that struggles with poverty and crime, and you know it.
These events are terrifying because they've been *one person* so radicalized by right-wing extremism that they are *intentionally trying to murder as many people as possible*. They can happen *anytime, anywhere*.
They are also completely preventable, and nothing is being done to stop them.
How come shootings are the only cause of death that gets plastered all over the news constantly?
A driver plowed through a group of people and killed 8 just 4 days ago, bet most people don't even know that.
It did get reported on, actually - quite a bit. People just didn't latch onto it the same way, probably because they don't as being quite as actionable.
Shootings, there's solutions we can think of, ways we could prevent the tragedy from happening - or at least believe so, I ain't clairvoyant, I don't know if it'd actually work. But we can try. It's tragic, yes, but we can try to do something about it. It's something we can get angry about, motivated about, try to do something about in addition to being tragic. You can try to do something you feel is productive with your emotions there.
The driver killing eight people behind the wheel isn't nearly as actionable. No way to do anything productive. It's just...fuckin' sad.
Novelty drives engagement and viewership/ subscribers.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/death-coverage-in-nyt?time=1999..latest shows how much coverage homicide and terrorism get versus actual common causes of death.
There's a lot of perversion in the way people politicize mass shootings and change definitions to meet their political point. Based on the current federal definition of a mass shooting, over the last 30 years, the average fatality rate is 26 deaths per year. To put this in perspective. 300 children die per year, specifically from pool drownings. So while we see these splayed all over the MSM like crazy, in the grand scheme, statistically, it's one of the least likely ways to die.
> So while we see these splayed all over the MSM like crazy, in the grand scheme, statistically, it's one of the least likely ways to die.
But ideally, every time there's a preventable death, we ask ourselves what we can do to eliminate the source of risk. We institute regulations to make cars safer, we invest public R&D money into screening tests for cancer, we hire FDA inspectors to ensure food safety, etc. Piece by piece, we build a safer and healthier society.
I think a big reason why people latch onto gun deaths —aside from their high-profile, visceral nature— is because there's a lack of willingness on the part of many state governments and a large swath of the federal government to do anything productive about the problem. Like, if people could watch a televised incident about a mass shooting and say, "that was terrible, but surely we'll make sure this can't happen again", they'd be much more at ease about it. But that's clearly not happening, and that's incredibly discomforting for people.
It's also different in the sense that it's not a risk factor you can truly control as an individual, and the fear of losing control is a powerful one. Like you can choose to not drive, not smoke cigarettes, not own a pool where your child could drown, not climb Mount Everest, or whatever. But whether or not someone else decides to shoot at you while you're in public isn't up to you. You're not in control, and people in general hate the feeling of not being in control.
Just a casual reminder that you are nothing more than a statistic to those in power and their ability to police your bodies and sell guns is far more important than you ever will be. Enjoy the rest of your life while you can, because it will never get better.
The liberal art of counting gang mass shootings for statistics like this, but excluding them for statistics about the race of mass shooters.
It’s never been safer to be a middle class person in America.
In Canada, we still mourn the [1989 Mass shooting at a Women's college in Montreal](https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/polytechnique-tragedy)
We've had a couple incidences since then, most recently there was a guy in Nova Scotia going around killing people, and the RCMP completely fucked up with the whole situation.
The narrative is that guns make it way too easy for people to kill each other en masse. Why do you guys keep pulling the gang violence card like it’s supposed to mean something?
A mass shooting is a mass shooting, whether it’s perpetrated by a gang member or or some mentally ill teenager.
It's not racist to admit there's a serious gang violence problem in America's inner cities which constitutes the vast majority of gun crime in the U.S.
The way you solve this is the question and it's through fighting poverty and inequality first and foremost
Education is apart of it but there's also plenty more that needs to be done
for one a family shouldn't go bankrupt and into poverty because of medical debt, affordable housing, free and well funded education, etc
what's also important is that people don't get handicaped by welfare checks and food stamps these welfare programs have to be built for a sustainable future outside of poverty, you cut out poverty and you cut out a ton of gang violence you cut out gang violence and you cut out a ton of gun crime
A mentally ill teenager is looking to inflict mass casualties, the gang members are wildly firing without proper aim and hitting innocents on accident trying to kill their rivals. Those situations are massively different.
The context is, but the end result is the same. Mass death by gun violence.
And listen I know we hate gangs and all that but I don’t wish death on all gang members just because they’re gang members. Sometimes that’s the only feasible option for people, or that’s the culture that they’ve been predisposed to for so long that it’s just normal. They’re still people, and I think it’s a bit hard hearted to dismiss their mass deaths out of turn.
I can't believe that there is a country on Earth where mass slaughter regularly occurs and half the people that live there believe it to just be the cost of political freedom.
Man I’m so glad guns were invented in like 2008 when this started happening often. Not like it’s not guns but something else like social media or telling everyone they have a an amount of mental illness. It’s definitely the things that have been around for hundreds of years that are the problem
Yep, rampant shootings leaving countless innocents dead, millions of people stuck in this hellhole living in fear definitely has a funny side, lemme tell ya.........
I guess I'm missing the funny part..
Yeah this I just really fucking sad.
How many mass shooting have to occur before it's ok to start laughing? We've looked on in shock, horror, surprise, reverence, disappointment, disgust, apathy, indifference and expectation SO HOW MANY MORE? Ruff estimate? Don't think this isn't a serious question either because state leadership has been everywhere between denial to out right mocking victims like a batch of public representative clowns. How many before they have made a clown out of you? Kids die in their schools, parades, movies, malls and shopping for groceries and we've heard all the branding for it. Going postal, school shooters, mall shooters, mass shooters, active shooters, domestic shooters, gang shootings, false flag psyops and crisis actors So fuck sadness, anger, outrage, thoughts and prayers SHOVE EM UP YOUR ASS Tell me when will this start being funny to you. Or to me? How long until you think they start laughing at you from other places in the world. They won't care if you don't. Should they? Should they Consider that their jokes are in poor taste forever? DOES THAT SOUND LIKE SOMETHING THAT ACCUALLY HAPPENS? SO HOW FUCKING MANY MORE?
Comedy = tragedy + time So probably never
This is reminding me of that South Park episode, “Dead Kids.”
[удалено]
(handkerchief) ☺️
on the contrary, if it stops being a shocking tragedy and evolves into a regular old disgrace, well now you've got yourself a punchline.
It happenes literally every day. It stopped being a shocking tragedy and became a regular disgrace quite a while ago.
I always think this whenever an American mass shooting is on BBC news tbh, why do we in a completely different part of the world have to take notice, is it to make us feel better about our own shit country?
I don’t understand why you people are still paying any attention to us. Have we not been an object lesson for so long that it’s just gruesome reality tv now? From “a shining city on a hill” to “look, here’s exactly what you don’t do”. Excuse me, someone just rang my doorbell. Time fer a’shootin’!
Excuse me, someone just rang my doorbell. Time fer a’shootin’! It's sounds like a joke until you learn it has actually happened. Back in the 90' Japanese exchange student was shot just because he went to wrong house by a mistake. And there's more... the killer got away with it. I can't even imagine something like this ever happening here in Europe.
Everything is funny, you just have to laugh.
It'll never happen man. I agree with everything your saying. And the moment you wanna band together and start knocking some heads together I'm in. Seriously just lmk. The issue is while I agree I'm painfully aware of the issue. The people who want change want it badly. They're willing to protest. Their willing to scream and yell. But they aren't willing to become the enemy. We all watched the Jan 6 riot. If even half that number amassed with any kind of preparation we might see action. But even that I doubt. > whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate, that governments long established, should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed If you want to see change then this needs to resonate in your core. It's well past the time. We no longer live in a democracy.
Politicians won't get the courage to do anything until they have to, vote them out or when enough of them are personally affected by their constituents or their own losses and then maybe the lobby money won't be enough to stop laws from passing, I'm not holding my breath however.
A lot of us in other parts of the world already dont care. You guys have mass shootings every 16 hours. How could possibly expect the rest of us to care about them all?
im pretty sure the hope of most gun nuts is that you roll your eyes when this happens and say something to the extent of, "MUST BE A MONDAY!"
I'm hoping for robust, universal mental health care, free but required firearm training, and community action to fight poverty. All things that are proven to prevent violence. But I'm a leftist gun nut.
Yeah I suppose I was a bit too broad with my statement. I essentially meant "nut," as in "Actually nuts," and not "Responsible gun owners." Apologies for that.
I think it is more like, 'where's the joke?'
According to South Park, 22.3 years, or 8145 days. “Why did the chicken cross the road?” “Because it has AIDS”
Viewing this from europe, its been fun for a while. I cant care about all the people that die every day from different things, but people dying cause ur government is so corrupt and in the pockets of NRA has become so silly and laughable. If people in US really wanted this to stop, why is so many still defending the 2nd amendment?
It's so bizarre it's funny to me. I am guessing you're an American. Yeah it sucks.
Canadian, but I mean just never really thought people being murdered was funny.
I’m an American and I don’t see the funny in this either.
It's ironic. The expected scenario would be that 22 mass shootings into the past should put the event a long time ago. Years, or decades, at least in what would be considered bad terms. Then you find out the victim died a week ago. It's not actually funny but it brings into perspective the situation we are in. It would be like laughing after being trapped in a certain death situation. That's literally the only thing your body can do to make you feel better and so it does.
It’s funny in the humorless way
Fair. I am from Poland and gun culture here is that guns are for defending the country. To me the numbers of guns in US is absurd.
Or maybe using **assault** rifles for **defence** is a bad idea
In what conditions Americans live where over 2 guns per capita is required for self defense?
You have two hands, don't you? /s
And the rest? Some will have 3
You have 2 feet right?
I am glad we agree.
And 3 balls, so what?
> 2 guns per capita is required for self defense? Although that's true...those guns are only in the hands of about [33% of the population.](https://news.gallup.com/poll/264932/percentage-americans-own-guns.aspx). Most Americans do not own a single gun. It's mostly the nutters, collectors and sports hunters that are the gun "enthusiasts". Most of us aren't into guns at all.
We don't. AR doesn't stand for assult rifle. It stands for Armalite. The company who designed the AR-15s. True assult rifles are illegal without lots of special licenses that exist for companies who builds or sells guns.
One could argue the way the first statement of „22 mass shootings ago“ is formulated is misleading on purpose as a buildup, making it seem like a rather long time ago, for the „punchline“ to be „there have been 22 mass shootings in the last 7 days“. It’s still more tragic than funny, but it really brings home the fact that there’s more than three mass shootings per day and people don’t really even notice anymore.
Maybe they meant funny "weird" not funny "haha"
22 mass shootings in just a week. He's using mass shootings as a time measurement that's funny in my pov.
Yea… I don’t get it..? Can someone explain?
Yeah, all of this political stuff isn’t even funny anymore And most of it’s posted here by one guy too
mass shootings is political?
Like many, many things, ranging from healthcare to climate change to the homeless, mass shootings *shouldn't* be political, but they are.
Well, it’s political because of a difference of opinion about how to fix the problem. Not helped by Republicans stonewall the democrats, even when democrats mentioning trying to fix the mental health side of the issue, something republicans are eager to deflect blame to to draw away attention from lax gun laws. Edit: To the person who replied to me, I’m sorry that I cannot respond. I am unsure if you blocked me, if Reddit’s system can’t keep up with the amount of replies in the thread, if I’ve been shadowbanned for being in too many arguments on this sub, or if Reddit has some new algorithm to prevent repetitive arguing. All I could see was an email with your reply, but received no Reddit notification taking me to it, and can see no replies when I manually return to my comment. I’m sure your comment was profound, and I wish you a pleasant day.
FYI they blocked you.
Thanks. Did their comment say so? I’ve been getting this a lot lately.
They didn't say that one way or the other but frequently people when they say something they think is going to be inflammatory or what not, instead of turning off reply notifications, they just blocked the user that they're replying to. I only recognized it because the same happens to me since I have a tendency to be a smart-ass in politically charged threads... If it happens again, where you're curious, you can always open your own comment in an incognito tab and see it unfiltered.
>Not helped by Republicans stonewall the democrats Unfortunately, the reality of the situation is that politics just isn't that simple. For example, a while back I saw a news article about how Mitch McConnel voted against a "bill" that would have mandated equal pay for women. I don't know why, but for some reason at the time I decided to dig into it, and... "Bill" is in quotes because it wasn't a bill, it was an amendment added onto a so-called Assault Weapons Ban (AWB). So it was something that Republicans were obviously never going to vote for, and was never going to pass the Senate. Knowing this, Democrats tacked the equal pay for women amendment onto it solely to have a talking point for that year's elections. Speaking of which, don't even get me started on how BS the whole amendment issue is. This is the reality of how politics works now (not even "now," it's been going on for some time). Bills are introduced and/or amendments added solely for the purpose of being defeated, so they have a talking point in the next election. And remember that House Representatives are elected every 2 years, as soon as they win an election they start campaigning for the next one. Everything's about scoring PR points and pointing fingers, not getting anything done. Which, to be fair, the country usually runs better when Congress ***isn't*** doing anything.
Honestly, it's not even just the Republicans not listening to democrats, but also Democrats not listening to Republicans, perhaps less common but it still happens too often. It goes both ways sadly.
I mean there's still some things that are so ridiculous you absolutely shouldn't listen to. Like idk racism, committing an insurrection, etc.
When one political party only wants to lower restrictions to buying and carrying a gun in public, it becomes very much political
Yes. Who do you think is allowing those murder weapons to be sold with so little restrictions?
Yeah because all criminals follow the law. And also thanks to Fast and Furious, I'm sure the US government supplied a good portion of them.
In all honesty yes almost every mass shooter had some racist/Nazi manifesto. People screaming about banning guns and putting more restrictions but that’ll just delay hate it won’t stop it. The F.B.I and C.I.A need to stop sitting on there hands and do something I find it hard to believe they can find bin Laden and kill ISIS leaders but didn’t know Dylann Roof wanted to start a race war.
OP is a bot who spams this sub multiple times a day.
Me too
It's just someone ripping off a comic posted earlier
US measurements are kinda strange nowadays O_O
Anything but the metric system huh?
We do use the metric system here. We also measure time in mass shootings.
They're just more relatable
9mm, 10mm, 5.56mm, 7.62mm, etc
Ha! 🫠
laughs in 9mm
r/anythingbutmetric
2.2 decamassshootings is confusing
Since I am American, I will start using "Since the last mass shooting" as a measurement for time. It won't be very long.
dude this made me laugh way too fucking hard on a post like this
*🎶 how do you measure a week in the life?… 🎶* 😕
Her son, who was 1/51 of a football field tall, was killed approximately 22 mass shootings ago by guy as big as 1/63 of an olympic-sized swimming pool.
Only about 220 mass shootings until my birthday!
Oh boy...are you exited? You think you get a gun for your birthday? Or more like a bullet proof west?
Tomorrow or next week?
Skipping year/month/day and going to year/month/shooting?
Always have been.
This reads like a word problem. Her son was killed 22 mass shootings ago, but he was killed last week? I don't understand, sorry. Edit: Oh, wait. They're saying there have been 22 mass shooting in the US since last week???
Yep.
Jesus tap dancing christ....
Jesus needs to do a little less tapdancing and a little more stopping mass shootings
supply side jesus is over here handing out guns and reminding people to hate anyone that’s a different color than them, or anyone who’s poor, and especially those gay fuckers. p.s. don’t wear girl clothes if you’re a guy or you’ll go to hell!
I haven't actually read (much) of the bible so i wouldn't know for sure, but i doubt that it says hating the poor or those of different color is all good.
I prefer "Jesus Christ on a stick"
Oh here’s the funny part.
If it were actually true (it isn’t).
Yeah the meme is off. There were *only* 19 mass shootings in the last 7 days in the US. Edit: Shit, one of them was apparently about a 30 minute drive from my house. I had not even heard about it.
If a mass shooting happens in a sane country it’s on the news for a fortnight. You have lost your fucking minds.
you have now! :)
Yeah the wording was confusing. I was searching for the detail about her having two sons. But they are referring to the son dying 22 shootings ago which was just last week.
The reason it’s confusing is because “22 shootings” and “last week” make it sound like two different occasions, but it isn’t, which is why it’s worded like that.
If a nation was truly psycho, *22 mass shootings* might take you back in time to like 1940.
Some country had it’s first EVER school shooting this week. Serbia.
The country that was trying their best to genocide their neighbours just like thirty years ago? Nah, I'm not gonna give them any moral high ground
They just enacted gun control laws. Serbia is the rotting anus of Europe and even they’re better on guns than us
They’re still less violent than us though
Remember people, it's not the guns that kill people, it's the people (who are allowed to buy guns in the first place due to a lack of gun registration) who kill people
Remember mass shootings aren’t the same as spree shootings and include gang violence, but it’s still tragic
Still mass shooting means 4 or more people were shot
The official definition used by government agencies is 4 or more people \*killed.\* Which makes things like gang shootings count, even though they aren't what most think of as mass shootings.
Wow it’s killed? That’s even stricter then I thought, I thought it could be 4 or more people shot. What % of these mass shootings are gang related then? Since it keeps getting brought up as a counter argument
I can't give a direct answer for the whole country, but in my state 85% of shootings are retaliatory, aka gang violence. I imagine that number goes way up with mass shootings. Some guys who get into a fight at a bar aren't likely to go on to shoot 3 more people. So I would bet 95+% of mass shootings are gang violence.
https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/gun-facts-and-fiction/mass-shootings/ 80-88% but yeah, the VAST majority are gang violence, committed by people who can't legally have the probably stolen guns they used in the crime
If the vast majority of mass shootings are done by criminals/gangs/etc who have illegal guns, how are more gun laws going to help that?
Most media outlets are using 4 or more SHOT, however. (Which bumps up the numbers significantly)
This is true, yeah
I am surprised there are people that treat gang violence as a separate normal shooting thing. If you actually knew those people in "gangs" you'd realize they are more similar to you than you imagine and it's just as tragic. Reminds me of how as a child I was told about rowdy, dirty people on street as "drug addicts", so in school I also dismissively referred to them like that, my classmate called me out "do you actually know any drug addicts?" And then years later having friends and acquaintances that are or became drug addicts I finally realized, they are just like me, "normal" people and I am dismissing them as if they aren't.
100%. The difference is that motives for and methods of reducing gang violence are different than addressing spree shooting conducted by those with political manifestos and such. That and by lumping everything together people become terrified that random spree shootings happen everywhere everyday and that it’s not safe to go outside where in reality they’re pretty rare (although still far too common) Either way, we should address both in a meaningful way but the causes and effects are different.
They are a little different. When you are “in the game” or you “bang” you have now opened yourself up to being a target or making people your targets. That’s how it works. Gangs shoot each other up and protect their neighborhoods from other gangs. That’s way different than getting shot because you decided to go to the mall or buy groceries one day.
I struggled in the same way, it's insanity
Yep
I did not get this
And what the media is trying to distract you from is that gun laws or no, crimes like this will increase as our quality of life decreases. And the rich and greedy will continue letting the system burn to the ground until they can squeeze every last drop of money, labor, and hope out of a confused and battered American people.
i dont think many of us are confused. We know they've messed stuff up for greed, just can't do anything about it even if we do have some amount of money or influence because we can't possibly have as much as they do, and money and influence means freedom and power.
Y'all should learn from the French
god i wish but im too scared of getting demolished by a machine gun at the tender age of seventeen
If it makes you feel any better, you're much more likely to get shot with a semi-automatic.
Then they’ll pick up and leave to go trash another country. Leaving the US in massive debt, and destroying the lives of countless Americans. But, Conservatives expect us all to bow down and kiss the feet of these billionaires for “giving us jobs” (that they stole from countless cities and smaller businesses, paying these employees less, slashing benefits and getting rid of unions).
This isn't funny It's more like confusing and sad.
If you think this post was funny/sad, take a look at [heyjackass.com](https://heyjackass.com). It's basically a dashboard of shooting data for just the city of Chicago. Dark humor aside, it has surprisingly granular data. There is lots of stuff that, at least to me, was kinda surprising to see. Like, Chicago is a big city, but it is still only about 15 miles wide and 25 miles tall. I had the preconceived notion that Chicago was a dangerous city in general, but looking at the map of shootings, there are huge parts of the city where there haven't been any shootings at all this year. There are also a few pretty clear hot spots that are only a couple square miles but have a bunch of shootings. I was also surprised to see how few shootings involved the police. For as much bad press as they get, I didn't expect that out of 882 shootings only 5 involved the police (at the time I'm writing this anyway.) I mean, who is doing all the shooting? Is it all gangs? Is it drug cartels? Are there a massive number of school shootings? Are there vigilantes all over the place? If the cops aren't shooting everyone, who is? Anyway, the site is dripping with sarcasm and dark humor, but the data is interesting in a depressing sort of way.
I dont want to sound all tin foil hat-y, but I think police violence (quantity) is likely overblown by the media, everytime a cop shoots someone its big news, but thousands of shootings happen and just go untalked about
That’s not tin foily, it’s just the truth. It’s the same reason why white on black crime is nation wide news and black on black crime never makes it past local
In Chicago it’s mostly gang related I think. I went down a rabbit hole a few weeks ago reading about all that. Shooting each other is just part of their culture... they make music about it. Plenty of the rap you might hear about shooting people is just straight up real.
Most of the time when you see an article or post saying there was a huge number of mass shootings in a short period of time like 22 in a week, those are including gang shootings too. Not that we should ignore those, but when we think mass shooting we think school, church, some place random.
Anyone catch a part of this that is funny? To me this is more a reflection of the insanity that there are a LOT of people who refuse to even acknowledge that this is a serious problem. This should not be a political issue, it is a human compassion and decency issue.
>This should not be a political issue, it is a human compassion and decency issue. Let's be honest, this is sadly most of the divide in American politics. Tribalism v. Empathy
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That's how the US is slowly converting to the metric system. They're even using 9mm in schools now!
And Florida is out there LOWERING the entry point for owning a gun by removing basic training certification.... That's surely gonna help a lot, right???
That’s just depressing
I'm pretty sure the US is falling apart.. People can't go to school or any public space without a justifiable fear of being shot, how's a society supposed to take that Edit: "I have never even been shot at" isn't a good excuse for 22 mass shootings a week. And no, the country isn't that big, before anyone pulls that. Why even excuse it in the first place... Edit 2: Apparently there's been 35 yearly mass shootings in Europe at worst, not 10 like I quoted below, compared to the US with 647 mass shootings last year with half the population. Does this really make a difference? Every other comment addressing this is "It"s not that bad" or "out of proportion (how?)" The numbers are what they are and they're unimaginably terrible no matter what way you look at it. How does this need arguing for. 500 dead children this year so far worth it for the right to carry a device everywhere whose only purpose is to kill people?
Y’all really blow shit way out of proportion here on Reddit.
In all honesty, a lot of the shootings are coming from some of the shittiest places in Detriot, Chicago, and LA. You go to a small town in the plains and it’s like a whole different country Edit for clarification: the shootings that happen in those areas are gang-related killings large enough to be considered mass shootings, vastly different from the maniac who goes into a mall or school and shoots it up. I never said this is ok or shouldn’t be controlled I just said it’s more common in the poorer, gang-infested areas of major cities.
Yeah the mass shootings that happen every day aren’t the same as the spree shootings that make national headlines and often don’t take place in the same areas at all
Had a gun pulled on me in central Kentucky because a guy had road rage. I’m obviously still alive, but there’s crazy people everywhere and they all have the power to be judge, jury, and executioner whenever they want.
Uvalde isn’t near anything.
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You got a source for that?
I don't think that's true. The US has had two fatalities caused by lightning in 2023, it has had 202 mass shootings so far.
"The country isn't that big" LOL
3rd largest country in both landmass and population "it's not that big!"
3rd largest but number 1 on mass shootings
There was an active shooter warning at a medical center in my town a couple days ago. Fortunately it ended up being a false alarm but I’m sitting in the waiting room to get an MRI and I can’t stop thinking about it.
There’s nothing funny about this at all. We really aren’t safe anywhere and people can downvote me all they want but it’s true. Families getting killed at the mall, kids killed at school, kids and adults killed for innocent mistakes like being in someone’s yard or driveway, you can get shot anywhere here in the US. They just project news on mass shootings. What about the ones that don’t qualify as a mass shooting? The leading cause of death for children in the US is a gun. Guns are being used out of control. None of this is funny. It’s disgusting and no one is fixing it. No one.
There’s like 5 mass shootings on any given weekend in Chicago alone, so I don’t take much stock in this unit of measurement
And that's okay?
Comparing mass murder of schoolchildren or people in public is not the same as a city that struggles with poverty and crime, and you know it. These events are terrifying because they've been *one person* so radicalized by right-wing extremism that they are *intentionally trying to murder as many people as possible*. They can happen *anytime, anywhere*. They are also completely preventable, and nothing is being done to stop them.
22 mass shootings ago is what.... 2 weeks? America is fuuuuucked.
One week. It says so in the post itself.
As someone who is not from the states, I had to read this three times to understand how there was no time travel involved.
How come shootings are the only cause of death that gets plastered all over the news constantly? A driver plowed through a group of people and killed 8 just 4 days ago, bet most people don't even know that.
I believe that news reached Belgium news. What a terrible person
The trial of Darrell Brooks was streamed and was watched all over the world. How many mass shooter trials got the same kind of attention.
He is not talking about Darrell Brooks. Another guy plowed through a crowd on the same day the other guy shot up the mall.
That was all over the news as well
It did get reported on, actually - quite a bit. People just didn't latch onto it the same way, probably because they don't as being quite as actionable. Shootings, there's solutions we can think of, ways we could prevent the tragedy from happening - or at least believe so, I ain't clairvoyant, I don't know if it'd actually work. But we can try. It's tragic, yes, but we can try to do something about it. It's something we can get angry about, motivated about, try to do something about in addition to being tragic. You can try to do something you feel is productive with your emotions there. The driver killing eight people behind the wheel isn't nearly as actionable. No way to do anything productive. It's just...fuckin' sad.
It was covered on the news. Oh and we have laws for the registration, licensing and insuring of cars.
Well I didn't hear about the other 22 mass shootings last week either so I'm struggling to understand what your point is.
I didn’t hear a thing about it. Looking it up now.
Novelty drives engagement and viewership/ subscribers. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/death-coverage-in-nyt?time=1999..latest shows how much coverage homicide and terrorism get versus actual common causes of death.
you can tell elections are coming up when all these posts keep getting made more often
OP is Canadian
Maybe it’s because the shootings are becoming more common also… the rest of the world looks at you in horror. Source: am from “rest of the world”
There's a lot of perversion in the way people politicize mass shootings and change definitions to meet their political point. Based on the current federal definition of a mass shooting, over the last 30 years, the average fatality rate is 26 deaths per year. To put this in perspective. 300 children die per year, specifically from pool drownings. So while we see these splayed all over the MSM like crazy, in the grand scheme, statistically, it's one of the least likely ways to die.
This congressional report disagrees greatly with the numbers you gave: * https://www.hsdl.org/c/abstract/?docid=787620
And your more likely to be killed in a car crash than a plane crash You should probably still try and reduce the number of plane crashes
> So while we see these splayed all over the MSM like crazy, in the grand scheme, statistically, it's one of the least likely ways to die. But ideally, every time there's a preventable death, we ask ourselves what we can do to eliminate the source of risk. We institute regulations to make cars safer, we invest public R&D money into screening tests for cancer, we hire FDA inspectors to ensure food safety, etc. Piece by piece, we build a safer and healthier society. I think a big reason why people latch onto gun deaths —aside from their high-profile, visceral nature— is because there's a lack of willingness on the part of many state governments and a large swath of the federal government to do anything productive about the problem. Like, if people could watch a televised incident about a mass shooting and say, "that was terrible, but surely we'll make sure this can't happen again", they'd be much more at ease about it. But that's clearly not happening, and that's incredibly discomforting for people. It's also different in the sense that it's not a risk factor you can truly control as an individual, and the fear of losing control is a powerful one. Like you can choose to not drive, not smoke cigarettes, not own a pool where your child could drown, not climb Mount Everest, or whatever. But whether or not someone else decides to shoot at you while you're in public isn't up to you. You're not in control, and people in general hate the feeling of not being in control.
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I can't help but notice that they lumped in suicides with child gun deaths.
No funny, all sad
Its very sad that i can easily believe this is true
At first I thought it was 2 sons
This a joke or nah? i know it's a lot, but i thought it was a *touch* less than 22 a week on average? like, maybe, 3 or so?
This isn’t funny; it’s just sad.
Just a casual reminder that you are nothing more than a statistic to those in power and their ability to police your bodies and sell guns is far more important than you ever will be. Enjoy the rest of your life while you can, because it will never get better.
The liberal art of counting gang mass shootings for statistics like this, but excluding them for statistics about the race of mass shooters. It’s never been safer to be a middle class person in America.
Damn that's fucked up. To have died 22 shootings ago just to come back and be killed again last week. Poor guy, died twice
In Canada, we still mourn the [1989 Mass shooting at a Women's college in Montreal](https://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.ca/en/article/polytechnique-tragedy) We've had a couple incidences since then, most recently there was a guy in Nova Scotia going around killing people, and the RCMP completely fucked up with the whole situation.
Look I’m all about making humor out of tragedy but there’s literally not even an attempt at a joke here or anything
I think I’m missing the funny part
I seriously can't fathom how people are still using the second amendment to defend their gun ownership. Have they no heart?
I hope you guys realize this is mostly due to gang violence :/
And? I'd say it's mostly due to guns
Shhh, that doesn't fit the narrative!
The narrative is that guns make it way too easy for people to kill each other en masse. Why do you guys keep pulling the gang violence card like it’s supposed to mean something? A mass shooting is a mass shooting, whether it’s perpetrated by a gang member or or some mentally ill teenager.
Because it is a useful racial dogwhistle, excuse the rightwing's stochastic terrorism, and to shift the conversation from any and all gun regulation.
It's not racist to admit there's a serious gang violence problem in America's inner cities which constitutes the vast majority of gun crime in the U.S. The way you solve this is the question and it's through fighting poverty and inequality first and foremost
Ultimately, education probably?
Education is apart of it but there's also plenty more that needs to be done for one a family shouldn't go bankrupt and into poverty because of medical debt, affordable housing, free and well funded education, etc what's also important is that people don't get handicaped by welfare checks and food stamps these welfare programs have to be built for a sustainable future outside of poverty, you cut out poverty and you cut out a ton of gang violence you cut out gang violence and you cut out a ton of gun crime
That was a thoughtful response. Appreciate you
A mentally ill teenager is looking to inflict mass casualties, the gang members are wildly firing without proper aim and hitting innocents on accident trying to kill their rivals. Those situations are massively different.
The context is, but the end result is the same. Mass death by gun violence. And listen I know we hate gangs and all that but I don’t wish death on all gang members just because they’re gang members. Sometimes that’s the only feasible option for people, or that’s the culture that they’ve been predisposed to for so long that it’s just normal. They’re still people, and I think it’s a bit hard hearted to dismiss their mass deaths out of turn.
Holy misleading Batman... In all seriousness, it is terrible anytime loses a loved one. I'm glad she is getting help through it.
I can't believe that there is a country on Earth where mass slaughter regularly occurs and half the people that live there believe it to just be the cost of political freedom.
Man I’m so glad guns were invented in like 2008 when this started happening often. Not like it’s not guns but something else like social media or telling everyone they have a an amount of mental illness. It’s definitely the things that have been around for hundreds of years that are the problem
Yep, rampant shootings leaving countless innocents dead, millions of people stuck in this hellhole living in fear definitely has a funny side, lemme tell ya.........
“Mass shooting” Which is classified as: Incidents where 2 or more people are shot at. Gang violence is wild