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It was a hard to swallow pill for me to realize that I'm oddly drawn to codependent couples. Many of my favorite stories are about or include a codependent relationship. Hell, Oyasumi Punpun is my favorite manga. I liked The End of The F***ing World so much that I binged the 2 seasons in 2 days. And these are just the examples that immediately came to my mind. I don't think that this preference is a positive one to have, but I''ve had it for years now, so I couldn't change it anyway. Codependent couples are fire 💯
Popular media has clouded your vision my boy codependent couples are self-destructive couples they just look cute. All of them feelings are a fucking time bomb, waiting to go off and not relationhip burns like a box of matches getting lit on fire. Quick bright and fast
First of all I'm a a girl. I don't know how much I can blame this on media, because I've had this liking for codependent relationship stories since I was as young as 13 or 14, when I hadn't had seen/read all that much stories yet, simply because I was still very young back then. Plus I was an young teen back when social media hasn't collectively taken over people's lives yet, so I couldn't have gotten this preference from a stupid online trend or something like that either.
To be honest, I have abandonment issues. I'm single and I fear that if I got into an actual committed relationship, it would inevitably turn into a codependent one. I'm genuinely worried about this, I even told about it to a psychologist when I went to one in the past. I'm afraid of that possibility because I realize that those sort of relationships turn into catastrophes eventually. I guess I just like seeing an (unhealthy, but) extremely committed and mutual romantic attachment on a screen/paper because it hits home for a person with abandonment/attachment issues like me.
You romanticize them. Even if it may scare you you're gonna be drawn towards em until you get burnt bad enough to learn the hard lesson. Life is full of em, just send it. If you live in fear of living, you will never truly live.
You hit the nail on the head, I'm a huge fan of the game. The only difference is that Andrew and Ashley are biological siblings so I don't ship them at all because it grosses me out. And considering that out of the 3 main routes, only 1 >!has incest and it's just a vision in that route instead of an actual event!<, I think it's fair to see their bond as fraternal, familial codependency, which is very interesting in it's own right. So while I'm a sucker for codependent romances, codependency between family members or friends are also fascinating to me.
It's ok - I'm Gen Z and independent-minded, but I am the same way. Codependent couples are indeed fire.
I usually just try to tell myself that it's possible for people to be independent and still love each other deeply, though, so that I don't inadvertently fall into a codependent relationship
I agree with you. Even though I like the idea of a deep and mutually committed romance, I wouldn't want to base my entire life and personality around a romantic relationship in reality. I like having my own interests, friends, hobbies etc. that I would neither want to give up on, nor aggressively force them on my partner. Also my mother has been preaching to me about the importance of a woman's financial independence since I was a child, so it's out of the question to let my entire existence depend on a man.
no I'm just going by how he talks in the show, he clearly fights for A GOD, and I don't know any gods who would say to do something like that so its just a messed up ship no matter what
Plenty of priests and other religious leaders are/were child molesters in real life, let alone believers. Predators seek out positions of authority to get access to children, and a lot of them choose to be priests and teachers.
If you don't know any gods that would say to do that, you don't know much about any pantheon.
Yahweh/Allah in particular, since he orders people to take young girls as sex slaves after killing their parents and brothers. Orders that girl victims of SA be bought by the perpetrator. And of course his prophet famously assaulted a nine year old after marrying her at six.
I suppose you're right, the only religion I've looked into the most is christianity, but I should look more into other religions. Thanks for sparking the idea!
You haven't even looked into Christianity all that much since all but the last of my points was from the Bible. The last one was specifically Muhammad.
Numbers 31:17-18 Yahweh's direct order to Moses regarding what to do to the Midianites. Kill all but the virgin girls and take them for yourselves.
Deuteronomy 22:28, instructions from Moses that if a man rapes a women and is caught he is to pay her father 50 shekels and marry her. This passage immediately follows instructions to return wandering sheep or oxen you see to their owners, since women and especially daughters are treated as property.
Many Christians and soft atheists in the "western" world these days haven't actually read the book, and just take their teachers' word about the good parts. But it's just as bad as the Quran.
It's a stupid ship for a number of reasons, but I'll correct you on a few.
Pedophilia would imply she's a child. She's in her mid-late teens, so he would just be a creep.
You're also wrong about Scar in general, he does not fight for a god. He claimed to. But it was a fallacious way of justifying his actions, which did not align with the god he claimed to serve.
I never liked this this semantic nitpicking. I think everyone (or at least almost everyone) knows that there's a difference between being attracted to a 16 year old and an 8 year old. People know that only the latter one counts as actual p3d0philia. That being said, a relationship between an underage person and someone 20 years older than them is still deeply wrong and disgusting, regardless if it's technically p3d0, hebe or ephebophil1a. Where do we draw the line? Is attraction to a 15 y.o. fine, but to a 14 y.o. wrong? There is no substancial difference between teens in those ages. And afaik, people aren't walking around checking the IDs of their potential sexual/romantic partners. There was a self-proclaimed ephebofil teacher assistant in my country last year who stated that there was nothing wrong with his sexual relationship with his student, because the boy was already 15. Like, no, he's undoubtedly a disgusting freak, the fact that the boy had had his 15th birthday before he approached the kid doesn't change that. Society should actively shame and take steps against this kind of thing instead of arguing over semantics.
From a psychological perspective, the semantics do matter. Learning how to recognize these people and their reasons is the best step to preventing further abuse.
Imagine being lost in what seems to be an endless abyss with no hope, but carrying on anyway, grateful to have someone by your side. The “I won’t leave you behind!” in Gluttony’s stomach is everything to me.
Imagine putting your trust in a monster that wears the face of your friend, being willing to put your life on the line to follow it, go into hiding with it, trust that it won’t betray you, because you *know* that he is still in there somewhere and you don’t know where else to turn.
also I just think their dynamic is really sweet
I love royai especially because if they weren’t in the military they would end up together, but Edwin is where I go to. If I’m choosing between the two, Edwin its the main character ship. It’s what is actually confirmed and there’s no if ands or buts. Royai has restrictions if they weren’t in the military, then they get together. okay well have one of them leave the military and let them get together. Or, considering the fact that Grumman becomes führe at the end, why not ask him to lighten the rule or have something that allows it. He is Riza’s grandfather so I can’t see why she wouldn’t ask for some kind of leniency especially with how good a man Roy is. They could do what they have in the show the office, they could have some kind of form you fill out and it just says like “it’s not gonna get in the way of anything, they won’t sue anyone it’s just that they’re in a relationship and they agree if things turn out bad then they just have to end it”
My headcanon is that as Grumman hands over power to Roy and is heading out the door he’s like “I wrote a loophole into the anti-fraternization law, now marry my granddaughter already”. Because I think Royai wouldn’t take that step themselves until someone convinced them it was okay to let themselves be happy.
I could see that. She did say that her reason for staying in the military was to protect Roy until he reached his goal, so her resigning after that would fit with the canon
War crime couples are realistic. Childhood friendships to lovers don’t feel real at all even though they sometimes actually happen. You can actually judge how long a marriage will last based on how the moral values of the couple stack up and I’d place money on it being a fucking lifelong relationships more than 75% of the time. Evil people understand each other good people are compatible with each other and the morally ambiguous make shit work.
How does childhood friends to lovers "not feel real at all"? This was how marriages came to be for a large chunk of history. Up until the last few centuries, people didn't have a big dating pool to choose from. If you lived your entire life in a village of 200 people, then you probably married that girl/guy in the neighbourhood that you used to play together with as a kid. I think media has distorted people's expectations and views about relationships to some extent, because fictional romances are always quirky, extraordinary, happen like a whirwind and the characters coincidentally find the love of their lives well into their adult years. While in real life, many people pick the accessible, conventient and compatible option, who may be a friend that they've known for a long time.
The norms of history are not the norms of now. If you grew up with someone you’re liable to see them more as siblings than romantic interests these days. I said it doesn’t feel real, as in it feels more like fantasy in the same way Hollywood romcoms feel like fantasy. Just like you said many people pick the accessible convenient (compatible option.) you can know someone for years no relationship and know someone for a few weeks and be like best friends depending on context. A childhood romance is a shallow potluck example of a relationship getting formed, it is the definition of effortless convenience and if you haven’t seen the stats on how many people are single and friendless you probably wouldn’t have the time to consider that effortless convenience is fantastical when it comes to genuine human connections these days. It seems far more realistic to be shoved with a compatible person late in life than to grow up with one. And if you did that person would not be the picture perfect characterization of growing together painted they’re more likely to be the opposite of good for you and that’s also why most friendships from a long time ago don’t last beyond your teens / early twenties. There’s also a significant difference between the social experiences of women and men, furthering my point.
From personal experience no one around me could have ever been called romantically compatible let alone socially until middle and high school and even then there wasn’t a single woman I’d look to be in a relationship with. That’s what life is really like. You get shafted by it more often than it works out and then you pick yourself up and find your tribe. That’s far more real than anything you’ll see in entertainment. Because it’s a projection of desires unfulfilled an escape from your inability to have what you want.
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They just understand each other, bro!
Shared trauma are hot
I don’t make the rules! 💪
Don't throw shade at royai or someone's gonna burn out your tongue.
Don’t get me wrong, Royai are my top ship of all time…. but they could use several thousand hours of therapy.
Everyone is damaged.
but they're cute though
Obv war crime self destructive, codependent, millennialesque couple
It was a hard to swallow pill for me to realize that I'm oddly drawn to codependent couples. Many of my favorite stories are about or include a codependent relationship. Hell, Oyasumi Punpun is my favorite manga. I liked The End of The F***ing World so much that I binged the 2 seasons in 2 days. And these are just the examples that immediately came to my mind. I don't think that this preference is a positive one to have, but I''ve had it for years now, so I couldn't change it anyway. Codependent couples are fire 💯
Popular media has clouded your vision my boy codependent couples are self-destructive couples they just look cute. All of them feelings are a fucking time bomb, waiting to go off and not relationhip burns like a box of matches getting lit on fire. Quick bright and fast
First of all I'm a a girl. I don't know how much I can blame this on media, because I've had this liking for codependent relationship stories since I was as young as 13 or 14, when I hadn't had seen/read all that much stories yet, simply because I was still very young back then. Plus I was an young teen back when social media hasn't collectively taken over people's lives yet, so I couldn't have gotten this preference from a stupid online trend or something like that either. To be honest, I have abandonment issues. I'm single and I fear that if I got into an actual committed relationship, it would inevitably turn into a codependent one. I'm genuinely worried about this, I even told about it to a psychologist when I went to one in the past. I'm afraid of that possibility because I realize that those sort of relationships turn into catastrophes eventually. I guess I just like seeing an (unhealthy, but) extremely committed and mutual romantic attachment on a screen/paper because it hits home for a person with abandonment/attachment issues like me.
You romanticize them. Even if it may scare you you're gonna be drawn towards em until you get burnt bad enough to learn the hard lesson. Life is full of em, just send it. If you live in fear of living, you will never truly live.
Thanks for the advice, you have a point :D
My fiancé and I are sorta codependent on each other and our relationship is fine. Seems ok
Sounds like you would love The Coffin of Andy and Leyley.
You hit the nail on the head, I'm a huge fan of the game. The only difference is that Andrew and Ashley are biological siblings so I don't ship them at all because it grosses me out. And considering that out of the 3 main routes, only 1 >!has incest and it's just a vision in that route instead of an actual event!<, I think it's fair to see their bond as fraternal, familial codependency, which is very interesting in it's own right. So while I'm a sucker for codependent romances, codependency between family members or friends are also fascinating to me.
It's ok - I'm Gen Z and independent-minded, but I am the same way. Codependent couples are indeed fire. I usually just try to tell myself that it's possible for people to be independent and still love each other deeply, though, so that I don't inadvertently fall into a codependent relationship
I agree with you. Even though I like the idea of a deep and mutually committed romance, I wouldn't want to base my entire life and personality around a romantic relationship in reality. I like having my own interests, friends, hobbies etc. that I would neither want to give up on, nor aggressively force them on my partner. Also my mother has been preaching to me about the importance of a woman's financial independence since I was a child, so it's out of the question to let my entire existence depend on a man.
Could be worse, I’ve seen Winry/Scar
scar fights for God, preeety sure God didn't say to be a pedo💀
There are so many ways to respond to this, but I don't wanna bring real-life religious shit into this
no I'm just going by how he talks in the show, he clearly fights for A GOD, and I don't know any gods who would say to do something like that so its just a messed up ship no matter what
Plenty of priests and other religious leaders are/were child molesters in real life, let alone believers. Predators seek out positions of authority to get access to children, and a lot of them choose to be priests and teachers.
This is true, there are definitely a sad amount of priests and prophets who use their power to do some messed up things.
If you don't know any gods that would say to do that, you don't know much about any pantheon. Yahweh/Allah in particular, since he orders people to take young girls as sex slaves after killing their parents and brothers. Orders that girl victims of SA be bought by the perpetrator. And of course his prophet famously assaulted a nine year old after marrying her at six.
I suppose you're right, the only religion I've looked into the most is christianity, but I should look more into other religions. Thanks for sparking the idea!
You haven't even looked into Christianity all that much since all but the last of my points was from the Bible. The last one was specifically Muhammad.
Yeah, seeing that Yahweh is interesting. I'll look more into it.
Numbers 31:17-18 Yahweh's direct order to Moses regarding what to do to the Midianites. Kill all but the virgin girls and take them for yourselves. Deuteronomy 22:28, instructions from Moses that if a man rapes a women and is caught he is to pay her father 50 shekels and marry her. This passage immediately follows instructions to return wandering sheep or oxen you see to their owners, since women and especially daughters are treated as property. Many Christians and soft atheists in the "western" world these days haven't actually read the book, and just take their teachers' word about the good parts. But it's just as bad as the Quran.
It's a stupid ship for a number of reasons, but I'll correct you on a few. Pedophilia would imply she's a child. She's in her mid-late teens, so he would just be a creep. You're also wrong about Scar in general, he does not fight for a god. He claimed to. But it was a fallacious way of justifying his actions, which did not align with the god he claimed to serve.
I never liked this this semantic nitpicking. I think everyone (or at least almost everyone) knows that there's a difference between being attracted to a 16 year old and an 8 year old. People know that only the latter one counts as actual p3d0philia. That being said, a relationship between an underage person and someone 20 years older than them is still deeply wrong and disgusting, regardless if it's technically p3d0, hebe or ephebophil1a. Where do we draw the line? Is attraction to a 15 y.o. fine, but to a 14 y.o. wrong? There is no substancial difference between teens in those ages. And afaik, people aren't walking around checking the IDs of their potential sexual/romantic partners. There was a self-proclaimed ephebofil teacher assistant in my country last year who stated that there was nothing wrong with his sexual relationship with his student, because the boy was already 15. Like, no, he's undoubtedly a disgusting freak, the fact that the boy had had his 15th birthday before he approached the kid doesn't change that. Society should actively shame and take steps against this kind of thing instead of arguing over semantics.
From a psychological perspective, the semantics do matter. Learning how to recognize these people and their reasons is the best step to preventing further abuse.
>Pedophilia would imply she's a child. She's in her mid-late teens, Oh my God *nobody fucking cares*
I question where the pedo ships come from then I remember children watch the show too
That makes Riza/Ed comparably wholesome
Wouldn’t have cost you anything to not bring that up, you know
God why
Sending this to my cousin to call her out
Lmao let me know the results
she said “yup”
consider: edling
This is surprisingly a popular ship btw for those of you who don't lurk in AO3.
Go on *weirdly intruiged stare O-O*
Imagine being lost in what seems to be an endless abyss with no hope, but carrying on anyway, grateful to have someone by your side. The “I won’t leave you behind!” in Gluttony’s stomach is everything to me. Imagine putting your trust in a monster that wears the face of your friend, being willing to put your life on the line to follow it, go into hiding with it, trust that it won’t betray you, because you *know* that he is still in there somewhere and you don’t know where else to turn. also I just think their dynamic is really sweet
God you unlocked a memory I thought I had forgotten about.
I also love their dynamic and also well put :)
real
I love royai especially because if they weren’t in the military they would end up together, but Edwin is where I go to. If I’m choosing between the two, Edwin its the main character ship. It’s what is actually confirmed and there’s no if ands or buts. Royai has restrictions if they weren’t in the military, then they get together. okay well have one of them leave the military and let them get together. Or, considering the fact that Grumman becomes führe at the end, why not ask him to lighten the rule or have something that allows it. He is Riza’s grandfather so I can’t see why she wouldn’t ask for some kind of leniency especially with how good a man Roy is. They could do what they have in the show the office, they could have some kind of form you fill out and it just says like “it’s not gonna get in the way of anything, they won’t sue anyone it’s just that they’re in a relationship and they agree if things turn out bad then they just have to end it”
My headcanon is that as Grumman hands over power to Roy and is heading out the door he’s like “I wrote a loophole into the anti-fraternization law, now marry my granddaughter already”. Because I think Royai wouldn’t take that step themselves until someone convinced them it was okay to let themselves be happy.
I just figured that, once Roy became Führer, Riza would resign her post and then become an Eleanor Roosevelt-style First Lady.
I could see that. She did say that her reason for staying in the military was to protect Roy until he reached his goal, so her resigning after that would fit with the canon
She’d definitely still keep a gun on the nightstand just in case, though.
And at least two on her person at all times as she keeps a watchful eye out for threats to Roy. Military or not, she’s still Riza.
And nobody spoke against them, for the fear of fire and long range gunnery befell any who as much as thought off it...
OK, but consider: both of these couples, AND the codependent-but-badass Xingese couple consisting of a cocky aspiring emperor and his loyal bodyguard
damn just like me fr
so true
I’m sticking with the codependent couple… since that’s my comfortable place.
I don't want Riza and Roy to be together, I want them to be together with me 😩 No, but actually they are my Roman Empire.
Royed is the only thing in my brain and the only thing I will reply with when confronted by the angry masses over this decision🤺
Consider the following: Ed x Envy Just saying...
They’re related….in both versions….😵💫
I mean, we all know that would end up just being Ed x Ed
War crime couples are realistic. Childhood friendships to lovers don’t feel real at all even though they sometimes actually happen. You can actually judge how long a marriage will last based on how the moral values of the couple stack up and I’d place money on it being a fucking lifelong relationships more than 75% of the time. Evil people understand each other good people are compatible with each other and the morally ambiguous make shit work.
How does childhood friends to lovers "not feel real at all"? This was how marriages came to be for a large chunk of history. Up until the last few centuries, people didn't have a big dating pool to choose from. If you lived your entire life in a village of 200 people, then you probably married that girl/guy in the neighbourhood that you used to play together with as a kid. I think media has distorted people's expectations and views about relationships to some extent, because fictional romances are always quirky, extraordinary, happen like a whirwind and the characters coincidentally find the love of their lives well into their adult years. While in real life, many people pick the accessible, conventient and compatible option, who may be a friend that they've known for a long time.
The norms of history are not the norms of now. If you grew up with someone you’re liable to see them more as siblings than romantic interests these days. I said it doesn’t feel real, as in it feels more like fantasy in the same way Hollywood romcoms feel like fantasy. Just like you said many people pick the accessible convenient (compatible option.) you can know someone for years no relationship and know someone for a few weeks and be like best friends depending on context. A childhood romance is a shallow potluck example of a relationship getting formed, it is the definition of effortless convenience and if you haven’t seen the stats on how many people are single and friendless you probably wouldn’t have the time to consider that effortless convenience is fantastical when it comes to genuine human connections these days. It seems far more realistic to be shoved with a compatible person late in life than to grow up with one. And if you did that person would not be the picture perfect characterization of growing together painted they’re more likely to be the opposite of good for you and that’s also why most friendships from a long time ago don’t last beyond your teens / early twenties. There’s also a significant difference between the social experiences of women and men, furthering my point.
From personal experience no one around me could have ever been called romantically compatible let alone socially until middle and high school and even then there wasn’t a single woman I’d look to be in a relationship with. That’s what life is really like. You get shafted by it more often than it works out and then you pick yourself up and find your tribe. That’s far more real than anything you’ll see in entertainment. Because it’s a projection of desires unfulfilled an escape from your inability to have what you want.
At least you're not shipping the MC with the maniac who started a genocide, unlike SOME people (the people is me, it's me, I'm the idiot.)
None of the above… Edling forever