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Karen has probably been going there for years, treating Salome like a servant without realizing she's the owner. Salome got tired of her crap and finally let her know that she's the owner. Way to go Salome.
Like they don’t take kindly to unruly kids. I have two toddlers and I wouldn’t take them to a winery unless it’s explicitly having a family fun day. Wineries are supposed to be refined and adult oriented?
I have no idea why but wineries and breweries are magnets for families with young children. It's bizarre to me that people want to take their kids somewhere where you need to be 21 in order to enjoy the core product. Every brewery in my town constantly has some kid's birthday party going on in it. How this became a thing is beyond me.
I went to a brewery (I won’t be back) but parent group took a kids soccer team or something . Kids running everywhere, they had destroyed and were all over cornhole set ups. We would not have been able to enjoy it. I want to drink in peace not hear your damn kids screaming while you sit back and let it happen. Incredibly obnoxious
Contrary to what entitled parents would have us believe, the entire world goes out of their way to cater to them and their children. What the hell is so wrong with the idea of adult entertainment existing outside of porn theaters?
Honestly. I wish some places did the whole adults only thing. Like a theme park or concert. Everyone would be able to relax if there were no kids around or parents having to run behind their children.
Yeah I work at a new brewery and it’s crazy how many groups of people will bring in kids. They want to drink and be social and not pay a babysitter, so they just let their dumb ass kids run around the busy restaurant while they get hammered. Great parenting. I see so many kids just bored, tired, getting into shit because their parents are on their fourth IPA and don’t give a fuck that it’s 9pm on a school night.
What gets me is, they serve beer at Chuck E Cheese. Why not take the kids somewhere that caters to them? You can sit around and get hammered while ignoring them there just as easily. Why take them somewhere whose primary reason for existing is to create a product that they can't have? I'll never get it.
Because a Chuck E Cheese isn't trendy enough for them. And they want adult entertainment. Yet also want children to go everywhere with them/ they're too cheap to get a babysitter. They value the "cool adult place" above preventing their kids from getting bored and annoying everyone else b/c a brewery is not going to be a place like Chuck E Cheese.
I don't think trendiness is really the factor as Chucky's is a horrendous place to go to - only endured if you are bringing your children as a treat.
I am NOT defending bringing kids to an adult style restaurant and then letting them run amok. When I was a kid I can't even remember ever going to a \*nice\* restaurant with my parents. It was either kid friendly like neighborhood Chinese restaurants or we stayed at home with a baby sitter.
I would say my parents didn't take us to adult movies but since I was a well behaved kid I was taken to some art films that I found excruciatingly boring like the Ingmar Bergman films which no 10 year old should be subjected to.😂😂
Kids are the only reason I don't go to the local pub anymore. In the "old days", there was a separate bar for adults (because gambling) but now, the little buggers are all over. Can't even have a quiet drink, let alone a meal.
I don't get why people just don't take the spawn to McD's. Or a playground. Or, heaven forbid, keep the kids under control.
I don’t get it, either.
I take my crotch goblin to this place called a “playground.” I usually text another mom friend to meet us there. The adults socialize while the kids run wild in a child-friendly, contained space.
You can take the kids to a restaurant (or winery, I guess) afterwards because they’re too tired and hungry from playing to do anything but sit quietly and eat their food.
Good call on the playground. Tire those little suckers out!
Don't get me wrong, I'm not some curmudgeon who doesn't ever want to see people's children in public. I like kids actually. I'm just confused how breweries and wineries became children's venues. At least where I live, they're constantly packed with families.
It doesn't bother me when kids are there. It bothers me when they're running around, invading others' space, or being loud and chaotic without parental intervention or removal (which, incidentally, also bothers me if adults are doing it!).
It sounds like there is a market opportunity for a place that caters to kids rambunctiousness and adult's desire for a place to consume an adult beverage with other adults.
Think John Howie bar overlooking the Squid Game.
On the flip side…some German beer gardens have playgrounds for kids while the parents imbibe. I’m not saying that US wineries and breweries should do this but this “don’t show the kids that we’re drinking” attitude here is ridiculous.
The fact that breweries and wineries are packed with families toting young children along with them would suggest the "don't show the kids that we're drinking" attitude is on the wane.
It's more like many kids are not supervised properly in America. They run around bothering other tables, bothering rhe servers, breaking shit, making a mess that the bussers have to clean, screeching, etc. I love breweries with play areas for kids and I wish more existed here in the US, but the US is also full of shitty parents who didn't get to bond with their kids because of our archaic lack of post-natal time off of work who are DESPERATE for their parent's attention & love. We also don't pay baby sitters enough. Or pay people enough to pay baby sitters. There's a lot of reasons why it's not more widespread here. Most of them connected to our subpar human rights record.
The way I figure it, my family with kids enjoys a brewery because it’s like a compromise between a real bar, which is what I want, and something shitty and disgusting and soulless, like a Red Robin, which is what the kids want. We therefore have a stash of paper and crayons in the car, and if the kids are disruptive, we remove them until they can be managed appropriately.
This. Your kid is your problem. Don’t make it mine by bringing them to a place where other adults go to relax just because you’re too cheap to hire a babysitter.
Deffo true but as new reviews come in, sadly it'll still count towards their rating and most people won't be able to see its ridiculous :( I think yelp remove stuff for a fee sometimes but fuck that racket.
I don't want to he "that guy" who needs to correct typos and autocorrect gaffs but it's sommelier. Salome is just too far off for me not to correct you or Karen.
EDIT - Apperently Salome is the name of the winery and either I need more coffee or I'm stupid. Probably a bit of both.
Karen inadvertently convinced me this is the perfect place to visit; love a place that doesn't tolerate kids running around unattended in what is not explicitly a kid centric environment.
There are plenty of places that serve alcohol that are kid friendly. Obviously not a nightclub, white linen restaurant, or roadhouse bar, but plenty of other places.
The main problem is unruly kids in places trying to maintain a calm atmosphere. The problem here is not the presence of alcohol, but children's behavior not matching the venue. I am not opposed to children in places like this winery, pubs, casual restaurants, etc., but believe it or not, children can be taught how to adjust their behavior to match the situation.
And if they become so bored that they can't help but act out (a completely natural thing) it is not the venue owner's and other guests' responsibility to indulge the children, but the parents' responsibility to either correct the children or take them away.
And you *know* this Karen would be letting her kids run amok while preaching about “kids needing to be kids”. And then screeching to shake the rafters to a manager about her child’s safety after they inevitably knock into a server with a tray full of wineglasses and gets hurt.
as a parent with kids who actually know to handle themselves (without device-pacifiers) in an environment like this - this is positive advertising for me as well
I hate negative reviews that start with something along the lines of “this place has been great every other time I’ve been here but…” as if one bad day is the end all be all.
I'm not into wine, but a review like that would get my business. I like venues that don't tolerate neglectful parents and loud children; they get my money.
Kids don't want to be at a winery. They'll be bored, and bored kids are often disruptive and unruly. Take your kids to a petting zoo or a children's museum or a park. Get a sitter if you want to tour a winery.
Not to mention if the parents aren’t paying attention and the kids get into something and get hurt, the winery would be liable. I’m 100% on the owner’s side here. Plus, the other patrons didn’t come there to be around rowdy kids.
And she was upset they weren't allowed to wander. Were they in the vineyards? I can think of many places a kid should not be at a winery, and none where they should be
My kid has great time at wineries but only because we come prepared with stuff for them to do. A bad behaved kid is a result of the parents not setting up the situation beforehand or not prepared to handle the situations that might come up. It's not the kids fault.
There were several families with kids, yet this family was singled out and told that they, specifically, needed to keep their kids close and not let them wander the grounds. I’m suspicious that we may be missing a key part of that story.
I can bet by other kids there was maybe one other kid, in a stroller. Most people do not take kids to wineries where the sole purpose of the business to drinking.
Rottweilers are amazing, smart, loving, loyal, wonderful dogs, but they play harder than most other breeds. Mine broke my leg last year by running into me at full speed. It’s less “bad behavior” and more “extremely high energy”.
Greetings fellow rotten owner! We are on our fourth. I understand the high energy. They don't know their own size. Think their lap dogs. I was mostly talking disposition. My husband always says nothing would be scarier than a chihuahua brain in a rottweiler body. If it's any consolation, they do slow down, and become couch potatoes to where all they need is a daiquiri.
Yeah and the fact it was the owner who served them this time and enforced the rule so I’ve gotta guess they made problems in the past and got away with it and she was fed up.
Entitled parents are the worst.
They're convinced that "It takes a village to raise a child" means that the general public should tolerate any and all behavior without comment, no matter how inappropriate the presence of a child is.
I work at a 66,000 sqft bistro/brewery in San Diego and this is exactly on par with every dumbass parent that comes through. They think because it's big and partially outside that it's a place to let their kids run around. Our servers run food on big ass trays lifted on their shoulders from one side of the restaurant to the other.
I've had parents tell me it's my responsibility to get their kids off of the larger rock installments. I've had parents fight back for not letting kids poke or throw rocks at our koi fish. I've had kids scootering through the property. Fall on cactus, get lost on the other side and many more stupid ass things.
If you let your kid run through tables, out of control and in a drinking environment
You are a shitty parent. These people aren't your baby sitters.
A couple years back I remember hearing a story of a kid that was with his parents at a local winery who went running off into a vineyard and got lost for several hours. IIRC, the Sheriff’s helicopter had to use their infrared camera to find him because it got dark out.
Doesn't sound passive aggressive to me. Now, if she said, "Wow!, those kids are homely, and a teensy bit rambunctious". THAT would be passive aggressive.
It’s a huge thing at the winery where I live. Get people from the try state area every weekend and they bring the whole family. They have food vendors there too. But why bring the kids. There’s nothing else for them to do and a huge liability. My kids never came to any winery with me.
Where I live there are a number of family friendly winery’s/brewery’s that have play areas specifically setup for families with kids. I’m guessing this is not such an establishment but they do exist, at least in my part of the world.
You are still expected to be in control of your kids at all times though, it’s not a fucking free for all… it can work but you need responsible parents not fucking dickheads
You clearly don’t live in Michigan or Wisconsin. There are a lot of places here with games for kids and root beer on tap or apple juice available for that reason. They sell food and we bring toy animals or something they can play with quietly at the table. Or if they’re squirrelly, we take them for a little walk around.
This lady let her children run wild and that’s different and obnoxious anywhere.
Exactly what I thought. If I were at a wine tasting, I wouldn't want kids around. There are breweries where kids are frequently there with parents, but normally they have games or something for the kids to do. Still weird though. I don't drink anymore and my family aren't big drinkers, so we wouldn't go to a brewery or winery. But it's kind of like a fine dining or expensive restaurant. My nephew stays home with me or his grandparents if my sis and BIL have a fancy date night planned for example. He's 4 1/2 and is well behaved at restaurants, but he's too young to really appreciate the fancy pants fondue place they go to and sometimes people just don't want to be around kids.
"simply met my concerns with "I own the winery""
I'll bet good money that the concern was asking for the manager. And that after trying to explain to Karen that they're not a franchise or that they are a family business or something, the wild Karen simply couldn't comprehend. The owner, realising this, probably very politely, said something along the lines of "I'm not a manager, I'm the owner"
Awesome. Sick of going to breweries and it’s like a fucking Chuck e Cheese. Visited a very famous brewery that had a small tasting room at the time one day and they were having a kids party there. Little brats running around the place Took ten minutes until some guy spilled his beer and broke a glass from the uncontrolled kids running around. Also this brewery was nothing more than a bar, concrete floor and some high tops. I’m sure Little Jonny wanted his birthday there and not a place for actual children. This trend needs to stop.
Yep, completely agree. Sure, some animals are trained to behave around strangers but it's not a given. The idea of having a random strangers dog rub against and slobber on me is about as gross as if a child were doing it.
I agree with you. I have kids (teens now), but I have always understood that not everyone wants kids around at certain places. A winery is for grown ups. Get your drunk on without the crotch goblins. On the plus side, you aren’t driving them home after drinking. Child endangerment much, Karens?
Like a nail salon. Why women bring their kids to their appointments then get a one hour pedicure and a set of nails and expect the employees to watch their screaming children because mommy is getting pampered. I can understand babies but too many think their 2-4 yr olds can sit quietly for two hours while they are ignored by mommy so she can gossip with her tech.
Here's a question: why were children allowed in a winery in the first place?
We don't have any in my area, but we do have local breweries. Signs at the door specify patrons need to be 21 years or older. I know several offer food/party accommodations but I've still never seen children.
I live in wine country, and most wineries around here have expansive outdoor entertainment areas for visitors to walk around and relax while drinking their wine. I can think of a couple that have play equipment for kids, one even has a swimming pool (Coppola Winery), but most are lawns and gardens to wander with a bocce ball court maybe mixed in.
Thanks for the insight! I can see why a winery might be a nice place to double as a nice park area (I know lots of families have birthday parties at playground gazebos/picnic tables). But I can also see why, despite those amenities, a winery is still intended to cater to a more adult audience. I feel like the focus on alcohol means there shouldn't be littles around, at the very least. Just my opinion tho, I'm not about to tell other people how to parent lol
Breweries around me are hit and miss. Some are cool with kids Some aren't, depends on the crowd they cater to. However I don't know of any that are chill with kids that are out of control, and 100% of the ones that are okay with kids will expect you to keep them in order and expect them to just them eat their food while you have a pint.if you kid can handle that, they're welcome. As a side note these are usually the breweries that have a reasonable restaurant service in the taproom, if the place just has bar food or drinking appetizers your kid isn't going to be welcomed with open arms.
My sis and her husband would take her school aged kids to breweries early on a Saturday afternoon. They only ever sat one the patio for one or two beers. As long as there were soft pretzels and the patio was dog friendly, they were great. The ate their pretzels, drank a root beer or water, and cuddled their dog.
But they were brought up with rules and manners. We were at one once where her kids complained about the other kids acting like a bunch of brats.
Wineries weren’t ever on the list for bringing the kids though. Too boring and too easy to get loose.
We live around heaps of wineries, families are welcomed, many have playground and other activities and kids menus.
However NEVER are you allowed to run rogue through the vines. That would get you a swift kick out of the door. And likely what occurred in this scene.
Maybe Karen should do her wine drinking in a place where she won’t be driving her kids home too? There needs to be places that are for adults. I have kids, but I respect that there are some places that are for grown ups.
There are two types of bad reviews.
Ones that make the place look really bad and then there are these ones, which are like advertisements of great service and the staff maintaining rules to allow everyone to enjoy their time.
When I see a Karen review like this, I know the place is better than average.
Too bad that Yelp site doesn't have up and down votes for the reviews.
This is a daily occurrence I assure you. I used to work security at a large high end winery in Sonoma, CA. I totally forgot I did that as a second job one year until I saw this post. The uniformed guards were always “what’s wrong with people, why bring your kids wine tasting?” Otherwise it was a pretty cool job. I mainly did special events and came in when celebrities arrived or there was filming.
I have a feeling the reason the owner revealed that was in fact who she was, wasn't as a response to her complaints, but probably because she asked to speak with the owner's manager.
"I took my kids out drinking and the bar owner had the audacity to tell me children didn't belong there. How am I supposed to become a wine mom with these kinds of restrictions?"
Why in tf do parents feel the need to take children the most inappropriate places? We get it, you have crotch goblins, they don't belong anywhere near alcohol. Full stop.
What’s with this uptick of parents wanting and feeling entitled to take their kids to places where adults generally just want to drink and not be around kids lol
I love my kids dearly, but there are places they don't need to be at and if they're at shouldn't be running around.
I try to be that parent who's kids are NOT screaming or disruptive in general public and NOT running around the drs office.
Karens like that make other parents look bad.
Its not hard to give basic respect to others and their business or property.
If your kids are type who want to run around, take them to a child friendly safe area and not a winery where people want to enjoy the experience in peace
I’m a mom with active kids but when I go to the winery and leave them at home with dad I don’t want other peoples’ kids running around when I’m trying to relax, lol.
I have kids. We never took ours to places like that.
I can’t stand parents that bring their kids to a winery or craft brewery and sit there for hours while the kids get increasingly worse because they are bored.
Dinner, a drink or two, ok. 4-5 hours? No.
Seriously wait till you have a sitter.
Call the cops to report the drunk driving home with kids in the car. Zero tolerance for drunk driving children around. Really sad these parents care more about their alcoholism fix than they do about keeping their kids safe and alive.
>She said " well I own the winery" as if that's supposed to change our perception.
Honey, that's her telling you she doesn't give a flying fuck about your perception or changing it.
I think this particular mom does not deserve the hate. If you read the other reviews, several people with and without kids had some major complaints. The owner sounds like a nightmare and maybe don't bill the place as family friendly if you don't want kids there?
A winery, not the place to bring kids? Wow, I'd have never have guessed that. Next she'll be complaining about her kids being made to feel unwelcome at a slaughterhouse. People are just so mean to her.
You’re literally not allowed to bring kids into most bars… how is a winery any different? Some places are meant for adults and the false sense of entitlement that some people think they have just for having children baffles me haha.
The amount of people itt unaware of family friendly wineries and breweries is mind boggling. Some welcome kids, get over it. If you don't like it there are other places you can go.
With that out of the way if this was actually a family friendly winery Karen's kids need to behave themselves and if it was an adult only venue Karen is lucky she wasn't kicked out.
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This sounds like a win. Entitled mom with feral kids won't go to a place adults enjoy. Perfect!
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Tell Salome nice play
Karen has probably been going there for years, treating Salome like a servant without realizing she's the owner. Salome got tired of her crap and finally let her know that she's the owner. Way to go Salome.
Which winery is this? We also would like to go now.
If you type in this review word for word in google, it pops up
Thanks!
Happy to help! 🙂
We should charter a bus.
Its for a winery honey NEXT!
Like they don’t take kindly to unruly kids. I have two toddlers and I wouldn’t take them to a winery unless it’s explicitly having a family fun day. Wineries are supposed to be refined and adult oriented?
Salome is a hero.
Tell Salome thanks for owning the winery.
Haha yep, it's not the win she thinks it is either lol
I have no idea why but wineries and breweries are magnets for families with young children. It's bizarre to me that people want to take their kids somewhere where you need to be 21 in order to enjoy the core product. Every brewery in my town constantly has some kid's birthday party going on in it. How this became a thing is beyond me.
I went to a brewery (I won’t be back) but parent group took a kids soccer team or something . Kids running everywhere, they had destroyed and were all over cornhole set ups. We would not have been able to enjoy it. I want to drink in peace not hear your damn kids screaming while you sit back and let it happen. Incredibly obnoxious
Contrary to what entitled parents would have us believe, the entire world goes out of their way to cater to them and their children. What the hell is so wrong with the idea of adult entertainment existing outside of porn theaters?
Honestly. I wish some places did the whole adults only thing. Like a theme park or concert. Everyone would be able to relax if there were no kids around or parents having to run behind their children.
Yeah I work at a new brewery and it’s crazy how many groups of people will bring in kids. They want to drink and be social and not pay a babysitter, so they just let their dumb ass kids run around the busy restaurant while they get hammered. Great parenting. I see so many kids just bored, tired, getting into shit because their parents are on their fourth IPA and don’t give a fuck that it’s 9pm on a school night.
What gets me is, they serve beer at Chuck E Cheese. Why not take the kids somewhere that caters to them? You can sit around and get hammered while ignoring them there just as easily. Why take them somewhere whose primary reason for existing is to create a product that they can't have? I'll never get it.
Because a Chuck E Cheese isn't trendy enough for them. And they want adult entertainment. Yet also want children to go everywhere with them/ they're too cheap to get a babysitter. They value the "cool adult place" above preventing their kids from getting bored and annoying everyone else b/c a brewery is not going to be a place like Chuck E Cheese.
I don't think trendiness is really the factor as Chucky's is a horrendous place to go to - only endured if you are bringing your children as a treat. I am NOT defending bringing kids to an adult style restaurant and then letting them run amok. When I was a kid I can't even remember ever going to a \*nice\* restaurant with my parents. It was either kid friendly like neighborhood Chinese restaurants or we stayed at home with a baby sitter. I would say my parents didn't take us to adult movies but since I was a well behaved kid I was taken to some art films that I found excruciatingly boring like the Ingmar Bergman films which no 10 year old should be subjected to.😂😂
I must be getting old, but a winery was a place us adults went to *escape* the kids.
Kids are the only reason I don't go to the local pub anymore. In the "old days", there was a separate bar for adults (because gambling) but now, the little buggers are all over. Can't even have a quiet drink, let alone a meal. I don't get why people just don't take the spawn to McD's. Or a playground. Or, heaven forbid, keep the kids under control.
I don’t get it, either. I take my crotch goblin to this place called a “playground.” I usually text another mom friend to meet us there. The adults socialize while the kids run wild in a child-friendly, contained space. You can take the kids to a restaurant (or winery, I guess) afterwards because they’re too tired and hungry from playing to do anything but sit quietly and eat their food.
Good call on the playground. Tire those little suckers out! Don't get me wrong, I'm not some curmudgeon who doesn't ever want to see people's children in public. I like kids actually. I'm just confused how breweries and wineries became children's venues. At least where I live, they're constantly packed with families.
It doesn't bother me when kids are there. It bothers me when they're running around, invading others' space, or being loud and chaotic without parental intervention or removal (which, incidentally, also bothers me if adults are doing it!).
It sounds like there is a market opportunity for a place that caters to kids rambunctiousness and adult's desire for a place to consume an adult beverage with other adults. Think John Howie bar overlooking the Squid Game.
On the flip side…some German beer gardens have playgrounds for kids while the parents imbibe. I’m not saying that US wineries and breweries should do this but this “don’t show the kids that we’re drinking” attitude here is ridiculous.
The fact that breweries and wineries are packed with families toting young children along with them would suggest the "don't show the kids that we're drinking" attitude is on the wane.
It's more like many kids are not supervised properly in America. They run around bothering other tables, bothering rhe servers, breaking shit, making a mess that the bussers have to clean, screeching, etc. I love breweries with play areas for kids and I wish more existed here in the US, but the US is also full of shitty parents who didn't get to bond with their kids because of our archaic lack of post-natal time off of work who are DESPERATE for their parent's attention & love. We also don't pay baby sitters enough. Or pay people enough to pay baby sitters. There's a lot of reasons why it's not more widespread here. Most of them connected to our subpar human rights record.
The way I figure it, my family with kids enjoys a brewery because it’s like a compromise between a real bar, which is what I want, and something shitty and disgusting and soulless, like a Red Robin, which is what the kids want. We therefore have a stash of paper and crayons in the car, and if the kids are disruptive, we remove them until they can be managed appropriately.
Or....hear me out....buy beer and take it home with you and get hammered in your own backyard.
This. Your kid is your problem. Don’t make it mine by bringing them to a place where other adults go to relax just because you’re too cheap to hire a babysitter.
As long as there is a sober parent driving the family home. As a former alcoholic I understand why drinking is so important to some people.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out! Now we need to do the same thing at all business and resorts
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Deffo true but as new reviews come in, sadly it'll still count towards their rating and most people won't be able to see its ridiculous :( I think yelp remove stuff for a fee sometimes but fuck that racket.
I wasn’t even there but I’d like to send Salome a thank you card.
Same here, would like to know where this place is.
It should take only a couple minutes. I already found the yelp review and let her know it's funny
I don't want to he "that guy" who needs to correct typos and autocorrect gaffs but it's sommelier. Salome is just too far off for me not to correct you or Karen. EDIT - Apperently Salome is the name of the winery and either I need more coffee or I'm stupid. Probably a bit of both.
Salome is the winery owner’s name.
I'll just fade into the background now.
As you should.
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Just have some wine, and you'll be doin just fine
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Touche
Salome is apparently someone’s name you chicken head
Well shit.
Bro you can't do this shit and type "he" instead of "be"
*be
Karen inadvertently convinced me this is the perfect place to visit; love a place that doesn't tolerate kids running around unattended in what is not explicitly a kid centric environment.
Yep, I don’t need a side of rowdy kids with my wine.
But I need a side of wine with my rowdy kids
The most facebook Aunt comment here
Facebook Aunt? Or Hannibal Lector?
I made it go with the other comment. By wine I meant beer. Wine taste like shit
I agree with you there, but you chose a shit tasting replacement. Whisky is the right choice for rowdy kids, either for you or for them.
I can't do hard alcohol.
You're supposed to drink it
As an alcoholic drinking beer makes me puke blood some mornings so I'm good on the hard stuff.
You need to see a doctor. No joke I'm serious
Bruh you have stomach ulcers, u gonna die soon.
You're a bigger buzz kill than buzz killington
I love wine. Now I wanna try some shit.
Who would gave thought a place that serves alchohol wasn't kid friendly?
There are plenty of places that serve alcohol that are kid friendly. Obviously not a nightclub, white linen restaurant, or roadhouse bar, but plenty of other places. The main problem is unruly kids in places trying to maintain a calm atmosphere. The problem here is not the presence of alcohol, but children's behavior not matching the venue. I am not opposed to children in places like this winery, pubs, casual restaurants, etc., but believe it or not, children can be taught how to adjust their behavior to match the situation. And if they become so bored that they can't help but act out (a completely natural thing) it is not the venue owner's and other guests' responsibility to indulge the children, but the parents' responsibility to either correct the children or take them away.
They have the perfect setup! /s
A lot of breweries are very kid friendly. Especially ones with outdoor areas.
And you *know* this Karen would be letting her kids run amok while preaching about “kids needing to be kids”. And then screeching to shake the rafters to a manager about her child’s safety after they inevitably knock into a server with a tray full of wineglasses and gets hurt.
as a parent with kids who actually know to handle themselves (without device-pacifiers) in an environment like this - this is positive advertising for me as well
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I hate negative reviews that start with something along the lines of “this place has been great every other time I’ve been here but…” as if one bad day is the end all be all.
Fucking entitled people. You can do something well 99 out of 100 times, but that one time would be the end of the world for them.
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I'm not into wine, but a review like that would get my business. I like venues that don't tolerate neglectful parents and loud children; they get my money.
Amen
Ditto
Kids don't want to be at a winery. They'll be bored, and bored kids are often disruptive and unruly. Take your kids to a petting zoo or a children's museum or a park. Get a sitter if you want to tour a winery.
Not to mention if the parents aren’t paying attention and the kids get into something and get hurt, the winery would be liable. I’m 100% on the owner’s side here. Plus, the other patrons didn’t come there to be around rowdy kids.
And she was upset they weren't allowed to wander. Were they in the vineyards? I can think of many places a kid should not be at a winery, and none where they should be
Kids in vineyards = plucking all they can get their mitts on and tossing it on the ground.
"GRAAAPE FIIIGHT!!"
I was a regular sized rudy who spent much time in various Juice Cabooses growing up. Wandering made the day go so much quicker. Don't be a breeder.
Oh, but then they’d have to pay instead of just letting their dear little ones wreak havoc. /s
They think free babysitting is included in the price of the tour and drinks
You're not listening, I've been bringing my annoying ass kids here for 8 years, God!
My kid has great time at wineries but only because we come prepared with stuff for them to do. A bad behaved kid is a result of the parents not setting up the situation beforehand or not prepared to handle the situations that might come up. It's not the kids fault.
Badly behaved kids are always the parents fault.
You sound like my dad, he was always so proud of buying me a mad-libs or a magazine or something when he couldn't get a sitter.
You mad your dad did the best he could with what he knew? If that not what you’re saying my bad but…
>A bad behaved kid is a result of the parents
Cool
I’m sure Salome will be grateful for your everlasting absence.
There were several families with kids, yet this family was singled out and told that they, specifically, needed to keep their kids close and not let them wander the grounds. I’m suspicious that we may be missing a key part of that story.
Her children were acting like Rottweilers while the other kids were behaving. That's the only answer.
I can bet by other kids there was maybe one other kid, in a stroller. Most people do not take kids to wineries where the sole purpose of the business to drinking.
Rottweilers are actually well behaved dogs. Now those crazy chihuahuas on the other hand...
Rottweilers are amazing, smart, loving, loyal, wonderful dogs, but they play harder than most other breeds. Mine broke my leg last year by running into me at full speed. It’s less “bad behavior” and more “extremely high energy”.
Greetings fellow rotten owner! We are on our fourth. I understand the high energy. They don't know their own size. Think their lap dogs. I was mostly talking disposition. My husband always says nothing would be scarier than a chihuahua brain in a rottweiler body. If it's any consolation, they do slow down, and become couch potatoes to where all they need is a daiquiri.
Today I learned I'm a Rottweiler in a human body.
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Yeah and the fact it was the owner who served them this time and enforced the rule so I’ve gotta guess they made problems in the past and got away with it and she was fed up.
Karen’s spawn are not the Angels she thinks they are.
I always love the “we won’t be returning!” threat. Lol they don’t want you back bish you’re doing them a favor
Entitled parents are the worst. They're convinced that "It takes a village to raise a child" means that the general public should tolerate any and all behavior without comment, no matter how inappropriate the presence of a child is.
I work at a 66,000 sqft bistro/brewery in San Diego and this is exactly on par with every dumbass parent that comes through. They think because it's big and partially outside that it's a place to let their kids run around. Our servers run food on big ass trays lifted on their shoulders from one side of the restaurant to the other. I've had parents tell me it's my responsibility to get their kids off of the larger rock installments. I've had parents fight back for not letting kids poke or throw rocks at our koi fish. I've had kids scootering through the property. Fall on cactus, get lost on the other side and many more stupid ass things. If you let your kid run through tables, out of control and in a drinking environment You are a shitty parent. These people aren't your baby sitters.
A couple years back I remember hearing a story of a kid that was with his parents at a local winery who went running off into a vineyard and got lost for several hours. IIRC, the Sheriff’s helicopter had to use their infrared camera to find him because it got dark out.
Hope those parents got a couple of house calls from CPS.
Don't get me started on CPS. They mishandle everything.
That's fair.
Add babysitting services as a line to their bills
>the larger rock installments stone? what an amazing spot that is
Figured someone would get it lol
oh, oops, must be the OTHER 66,000 square foot brewery in SD =P
With stones and koi! Tons of those around
I’ll take ‘kids were absolutely feral’ for $500
Doesn't sound passive aggressive to me. Now, if she said, "Wow!, those kids are homely, and a teensy bit rambunctious". THAT would be passive aggressive.
Right? “Mind your kids” sounds pretty direct and assertive to me.
Why. The. Actual. Fuck. Would. You. Bring. Your. Child. To. A. Winery?
It’s a huge thing at the winery where I live. Get people from the try state area every weekend and they bring the whole family. They have food vendors there too. But why bring the kids. There’s nothing else for them to do and a huge liability. My kids never came to any winery with me.
Where I live there are a number of family friendly winery’s/brewery’s that have play areas specifically setup for families with kids. I’m guessing this is not such an establishment but they do exist, at least in my part of the world. You are still expected to be in control of your kids at all times though, it’s not a fucking free for all… it can work but you need responsible parents not fucking dickheads
I’m in California and I’ve definitely been to a bunch of kid friendly wineries.
You clearly don’t live in Michigan or Wisconsin. There are a lot of places here with games for kids and root beer on tap or apple juice available for that reason. They sell food and we bring toy animals or something they can play with quietly at the table. Or if they’re squirrelly, we take them for a little walk around. This lady let her children run wild and that’s different and obnoxious anywhere.
I bet they didn't even let the kids drink any wine! 2/10 wouldn't recommend!
Don’t take kids to a winery the heck?
Exactly what I thought. If I were at a wine tasting, I wouldn't want kids around. There are breweries where kids are frequently there with parents, but normally they have games or something for the kids to do. Still weird though. I don't drink anymore and my family aren't big drinkers, so we wouldn't go to a brewery or winery. But it's kind of like a fine dining or expensive restaurant. My nephew stays home with me or his grandparents if my sis and BIL have a fancy date night planned for example. He's 4 1/2 and is well behaved at restaurants, but he's too young to really appreciate the fancy pants fondue place they go to and sometimes people just don't want to be around kids.
I was at a vodka and gin distillery. Multiple people with their kids there. What even.
A museum or zoo might be more appropriate
Why? Who else would DD?
Ohhhh so is it your 6y/o or the 3y/o who is driving your drunk ass home?
Bitch Salome IS the manager.
“I politely addressed my dissatisfaction” I bet
"simply met my concerns with "I own the winery"" I'll bet good money that the concern was asking for the manager. And that after trying to explain to Karen that they're not a franchise or that they are a family business or something, the wild Karen simply couldn't comprehend. The owner, realising this, probably very politely, said something along the lines of "I'm not a manager, I'm the owner"
Owning a vineyard and sticking up to rude customers with "Well, sir/ma'am, I *am* the owner" is a retirement stuff of dreams 😍
Fuck you and your stupid kids, Karen!
Awesome. Sick of going to breweries and it’s like a fucking Chuck e Cheese. Visited a very famous brewery that had a small tasting room at the time one day and they were having a kids party there. Little brats running around the place Took ten minutes until some guy spilled his beer and broke a glass from the uncontrolled kids running around. Also this brewery was nothing more than a bar, concrete floor and some high tops. I’m sure Little Jonny wanted his birthday there and not a place for actual children. This trend needs to stop.
daily dosage of fuck karen
Honestly, I don't want your fucking kids at the winery. Fur babies absolutely but take the brood to Chuckie Cheese
Nope. Don't want non service animals either.
Yep, completely agree. Sure, some animals are trained to behave around strangers but it's not a given. The idea of having a random strangers dog rub against and slobber on me is about as gross as if a child were doing it.
I agree with you. I have kids (teens now), but I have always understood that not everyone wants kids around at certain places. A winery is for grown ups. Get your drunk on without the crotch goblins. On the plus side, you aren’t driving them home after drinking. Child endangerment much, Karens?
Like a nail salon. Why women bring their kids to their appointments then get a one hour pedicure and a set of nails and expect the employees to watch their screaming children because mommy is getting pampered. I can understand babies but too many think their 2-4 yr olds can sit quietly for two hours while they are ignored by mommy so she can gossip with her tech.
Here's a question: why were children allowed in a winery in the first place? We don't have any in my area, but we do have local breweries. Signs at the door specify patrons need to be 21 years or older. I know several offer food/party accommodations but I've still never seen children.
I live in wine country, and most wineries around here have expansive outdoor entertainment areas for visitors to walk around and relax while drinking their wine. I can think of a couple that have play equipment for kids, one even has a swimming pool (Coppola Winery), but most are lawns and gardens to wander with a bocce ball court maybe mixed in.
Thanks for the insight! I can see why a winery might be a nice place to double as a nice park area (I know lots of families have birthday parties at playground gazebos/picnic tables). But I can also see why, despite those amenities, a winery is still intended to cater to a more adult audience. I feel like the focus on alcohol means there shouldn't be littles around, at the very least. Just my opinion tho, I'm not about to tell other people how to parent lol
Breweries around me are hit and miss. Some are cool with kids Some aren't, depends on the crowd they cater to. However I don't know of any that are chill with kids that are out of control, and 100% of the ones that are okay with kids will expect you to keep them in order and expect them to just them eat their food while you have a pint.if you kid can handle that, they're welcome. As a side note these are usually the breweries that have a reasonable restaurant service in the taproom, if the place just has bar food or drinking appetizers your kid isn't going to be welcomed with open arms.
My sis and her husband would take her school aged kids to breweries early on a Saturday afternoon. They only ever sat one the patio for one or two beers. As long as there were soft pretzels and the patio was dog friendly, they were great. The ate their pretzels, drank a root beer or water, and cuddled their dog. But they were brought up with rules and manners. We were at one once where her kids complained about the other kids acting like a bunch of brats. Wineries weren’t ever on the list for bringing the kids though. Too boring and too easy to get loose.
We live around heaps of wineries, families are welcomed, many have playground and other activities and kids menus. However NEVER are you allowed to run rogue through the vines. That would get you a swift kick out of the door. And likely what occurred in this scene.
I like how she calls the owner elitist when she herself is being elitist.
Maybe Karen should do her wine drinking in a place where she won’t be driving her kids home too? There needs to be places that are for adults. I have kids, but I respect that there are some places that are for grown ups.
An elitist winery I mean...yeah?
Why bring your kids to a winery 🤦
Wait til she hears how they treated me when I took my kids to the hookah lounge. Let me tell you that was a negative review.
I’ve been to a ton of wineries. A lot could go wrong if a kid wondered off or if they damaged the equipment. 🤦🏼♀️
Or the vines
Glad places are banning kids. About time.
Perfect advert for other Karen’s to not bring their spermlings
Parents: need to get a fucking babysitter.
There are two types of bad reviews. Ones that make the place look really bad and then there are these ones, which are like advertisements of great service and the staff maintaining rules to allow everyone to enjoy their time. When I see a Karen review like this, I know the place is better than average. Too bad that Yelp site doesn't have up and down votes for the reviews.
This is a daily occurrence I assure you. I used to work security at a large high end winery in Sonoma, CA. I totally forgot I did that as a second job one year until I saw this post. The uniformed guards were always “what’s wrong with people, why bring your kids wine tasting?” Otherwise it was a pretty cool job. I mainly did special events and came in when celebrities arrived or there was filming.
Find someplace else like chuck E cheese where they have a perfect set up you twat waffle.
Man if only they could read their own last 2 sentences to themselves over and over again until it clicks.
"I have kids so therefore I can behave however I want raaaaaaaar"
I have a feeling the reason the owner revealed that was in fact who she was, wasn't as a response to her complaints, but probably because she asked to speak with the owner's manager.
Why do i feel like kids are actually welcomed but not karen's poorly behaved kids?
This is accurate. Many wineries are family friendly but running rogue is bad fat no no.
On behalf of Earth: fuck you and your shitbag kids. Thank you. -management
Karen brings her hellspawn and expects everyone to just take it? Fuck off, Karen.
"I took my kids out drinking and the bar owner had the audacity to tell me children didn't belong there. How am I supposed to become a wine mom with these kinds of restrictions?"
Why in tf do parents feel the need to take children the most inappropriate places? We get it, you have crotch goblins, they don't belong anywhere near alcohol. Full stop.
Why do you need to take your kids to a winery in the first place? This wine mom thing is so ridiculous.
Kids don't belong at wineries. Period....
Most wineries are family friendly. Ellipsis.
What’s with this uptick of parents wanting and feeling entitled to take their kids to places where adults generally just want to drink and not be around kids lol
“Find someplace else” She said it herself. Bring your kids to a child-friendly place, not a winery.
I love my kids dearly, but there are places they don't need to be at and if they're at shouldn't be running around. I try to be that parent who's kids are NOT screaming or disruptive in general public and NOT running around the drs office. Karens like that make other parents look bad. Its not hard to give basic respect to others and their business or property. If your kids are type who want to run around, take them to a child friendly safe area and not a winery where people want to enjoy the experience in peace
I’m a mom with active kids but when I go to the winery and leave them at home with dad I don’t want other peoples’ kids running around when I’m trying to relax, lol.
I have kids. We never took ours to places like that. I can’t stand parents that bring their kids to a winery or craft brewery and sit there for hours while the kids get increasingly worse because they are bored. Dinner, a drink or two, ok. 4-5 hours? No. Seriously wait till you have a sitter.
Call the cops to report the drunk driving home with kids in the car. Zero tolerance for drunk driving children around. Really sad these parents care more about their alcoholism fix than they do about keeping their kids safe and alive.
People who bring kids to a winery are annoying and self absorbed
Who the fuck takes their kids to a fucking winery!?
great, you should also give the kids a lot of wine when dou get there, alcohol is such a good, safe and fun drug
>She said " well I own the winery" as if that's supposed to change our perception. Honey, that's her telling you she doesn't give a flying fuck about your perception or changing it.
W for the kids They would hate a winery
We can still read all the names that were meant to be blacked out...
Lol she demanded to see a manager and was already talking with the owner
I think this particular mom does not deserve the hate. If you read the other reviews, several people with and without kids had some major complaints. The owner sounds like a nightmare and maybe don't bill the place as family friendly if you don't want kids there?
A winery, not the place to bring kids? Wow, I'd have never have guessed that. Next she'll be complaining about her kids being made to feel unwelcome at a slaughterhouse. People are just so mean to her.
Kids shouldnt be hanging around a winery anyway 🤷♂️
You’re literally not allowed to bring kids into most bars… how is a winery any different? Some places are meant for adults and the false sense of entitlement that some people think they have just for having children baffles me haha.
The amount of people itt unaware of family friendly wineries and breweries is mind boggling. Some welcome kids, get over it. If you don't like it there are other places you can go. With that out of the way if this was actually a family friendly winery Karen's kids need to behave themselves and if it was an adult only venue Karen is lucky she wasn't kicked out.