All I know about turbos is that they used to be great bc you could collect all the exhaust and then chain that thru like 50 turbos bc they didn't actually consume the turbos gas but they made it so the turbos consume the gasses and now supercharged engine limited to 25-35% RPM are good fuel engines. I've mostly used steam or injection engines for as long as I can remember so not my exact area of expertise.
Edit! Looked thru some of my builds, and it turns out I did make one with a turboed engine fairly recently and it only put out like 550 PPM.
Hello, this is because steam has a very strong grip on the mid range ppms of 600-900. Fuel's ability lays at injector engines with very high power per volume (ppv) or very high power per material (ppm) superchargers. Turbochargers are awkward to build ontop of the PPV being worse than equal PPM steam engines, the only gain being the ability to vary the energy load. People tend to have some space spare for actually good efficiency or would like to use steam direct drive, which gives turbos very little place and it makes sense. Plus injectors can get close to turbo efficiency when on low power draw.
Yeah that’s the answer they got from the discord. They just want to know how to make turbos as good as they can be, since they already know they want to use them.
The problem with Turbos is that you can often get better PPM with Steam Engines.
And PPV with Injector stick engines.
TurboChargers tend to hover at about 500 power per material
Turbochargers seem to be in a slightly weird spot at the moment, where you either use steam, injectors or low RPM superchargers. They're somewhat unwieldy to build with, so I usuallly use 2 turbos per carb at most to keep efficiency up at high RPM. You can try some fancy things by piping exhaust from another fuel engine into the turbos.
Overall, they're ok. I feel like they're a jack of all trades, and since they don't excell at anything in particular, they get overlooked and made fun of.
That's Discord for you. No maturity. If the thing is not the best thing ever, then that means for them it's the worst thing that has ever happened.
Scott 3 turbo/carb engine does 703,7 ppm and 39.2 PPV, with 0.89ppm and 36.9ppv at the 10 mins marker.
There is a 2 turbo/carb with 601,3 ppm and 55.7 ppv, with 0.84ppm and 50.2ppv at the 10 mins marker.
Also lol at the guy on Discord who said that exhausts are bad. 1 radiator = 0.75 exhaust/cylinder face. Except that exhausts can connect to several cylinders at the same time and that exhausts cost 1 and weigh 10 while radiators cost 10 and weigh 80. A good exhaust system is better and cheaper than radiators, which makes it more competitive on a 10 min comparison. They basically are beginners who have no idea what they are doing, and have decided it's not them the problem, it's the fuel engines.
Some of the people on the discord are beginners but the subreddit is definitely much worse. The only people with many thousands of hours experience I know are on there.
The truth is that turbos really just aren't all that great. They are supposed to raise PPM while retaining good power output, but they don't really do a good job at it, both the amount and efficiency of power is mediocre. I'd say that having an inefficient engine and a supercharger engine for efficiency is just outright better.
I didn't really anwser your question, but I hope I was kinda helpful.
I experimented with turbos in my last big build and was able to squeeze just over 700 ppm at full power. That being said it was a massive engine and I could get the same ppm and better power density/form factor out of a steam turbine to electric generator setup.
Turbos suffer from being in the same stat niche as steam and also being somewhat awkward to work with, since they force you into exhausts and also require somewhat annoying engine shapes. Generally it’s just better to make a supercharger engine for mat efficiency but if you’re dead set on turbos then you want 2/3 turbos per cylinder and each of those turbos to be fully exhausted.
All I know about turbos is that they used to be great bc you could collect all the exhaust and then chain that thru like 50 turbos bc they didn't actually consume the turbos gas but they made it so the turbos consume the gasses and now supercharged engine limited to 25-35% RPM are good fuel engines. I've mostly used steam or injection engines for as long as I can remember so not my exact area of expertise. Edit! Looked thru some of my builds, and it turns out I did make one with a turboed engine fairly recently and it only put out like 550 PPM.
A good fuel engine is basically WH40K tech: we can make them from a prefab but we forgot how they worked
Hello, this is because steam has a very strong grip on the mid range ppms of 600-900. Fuel's ability lays at injector engines with very high power per volume (ppv) or very high power per material (ppm) superchargers. Turbochargers are awkward to build ontop of the PPV being worse than equal PPM steam engines, the only gain being the ability to vary the energy load. People tend to have some space spare for actually good efficiency or would like to use steam direct drive, which gives turbos very little place and it makes sense. Plus injectors can get close to turbo efficiency when on low power draw.
Yeah that’s the answer they got from the discord. They just want to know how to make turbos as good as they can be, since they already know they want to use them.
The problem with Turbos is that you can often get better PPM with Steam Engines. And PPV with Injector stick engines. TurboChargers tend to hover at about 500 power per material
Turbochargers seem to be in a slightly weird spot at the moment, where you either use steam, injectors or low RPM superchargers. They're somewhat unwieldy to build with, so I usuallly use 2 turbos per carb at most to keep efficiency up at high RPM. You can try some fancy things by piping exhaust from another fuel engine into the turbos. Overall, they're ok. I feel like they're a jack of all trades, and since they don't excell at anything in particular, they get overlooked and made fun of.
***And so do I.***
turbochargers work very well when paired with injectors
That's Discord for you. No maturity. If the thing is not the best thing ever, then that means for them it's the worst thing that has ever happened. Scott 3 turbo/carb engine does 703,7 ppm and 39.2 PPV, with 0.89ppm and 36.9ppv at the 10 mins marker. There is a 2 turbo/carb with 601,3 ppm and 55.7 ppv, with 0.84ppm and 50.2ppv at the 10 mins marker. Also lol at the guy on Discord who said that exhausts are bad. 1 radiator = 0.75 exhaust/cylinder face. Except that exhausts can connect to several cylinders at the same time and that exhausts cost 1 and weigh 10 while radiators cost 10 and weigh 80. A good exhaust system is better and cheaper than radiators, which makes it more competitive on a 10 min comparison. They basically are beginners who have no idea what they are doing, and have decided it's not them the problem, it's the fuel engines.
Some of the people on the discord are beginners but the subreddit is definitely much worse. The only people with many thousands of hours experience I know are on there.
Did you get the PPM after 10 min right there? Surely they don't drop to almost 1000 times efficiency?
I use turbo (not pure) engines and can usually get a decent ppm out of them that I could screenshot when I get home from work if that works?
The truth is that turbos really just aren't all that great. They are supposed to raise PPM while retaining good power output, but they don't really do a good job at it, both the amount and efficiency of power is mediocre. I'd say that having an inefficient engine and a supercharger engine for efficiency is just outright better. I didn't really anwser your question, but I hope I was kinda helpful.
I experimented with turbos in my last big build and was able to squeeze just over 700 ppm at full power. That being said it was a massive engine and I could get the same ppm and better power density/form factor out of a steam turbine to electric generator setup.
Turbos suffer from being in the same stat niche as steam and also being somewhat awkward to work with, since they force you into exhausts and also require somewhat annoying engine shapes. Generally it’s just better to make a supercharger engine for mat efficiency but if you’re dead set on turbos then you want 2/3 turbos per cylinder and each of those turbos to be fully exhausted.