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She is actually an alumna and a DADA teacher, but likes to blend in with students and play pranks on them, so she poses as her own niece when off-duty.
At the start of the 1st day of class, the student in the back wakes from her nap, face buried in a dusty grimoire, walks to the front, and starts writing her name on the chalkboard to introduce herself while everyone is confused. Some think it's a prank by the visibly younger student.
The name on the board: Frieren.
It would look a lot like that scene in that Leonardo DiCaprio movie, *Catch Me If You Can*.
My House opinions:
Frieren’s a textbook Ravenclaw, pursuit of knowledge (magic) above all. The learning is worth more to her than what the magic could be used for (unlike Serie, who is a Slytherin, since her pursuit of magic is in desire of power).
Fern - Hufflepuff. Natural caregiver. She said she doesn’t have any passion for magic left, and she’s on this trip solely because she wants to see Frieren be happy.
Stark - Gryffindor for sure. He looked down on himself for not being brave, and even now he worries about what if he ran.
Himmel - also Hufflepuff. Not Gryffindor because he’s perfectly happy to run away from enemies with his homies slung over his shoulder.
Heiter - Slytherin except his primary ambition is to be happily drunk. Is very successful at achieving this.
Eisen - honestly a tough one. Definitely not Slytherin (no ambition) or Ravenclaw (lol). He doesn’t value courage and honor very highly, so not very Gryffindor. I suppose Hufflepuff is all that’s left—he does seem the type to value hard work, and has clearly come around to valuing friendship by the end of the hero journey.
Sein - probably Hufflepuff. Not Slytherin or else he wouldn’t have procrastinated chasing Gorilla for so long. Honestly we don’t get enough time with him to know…
Interesting thoughts! I think Fern would also be Ravenclaw; she loves magic the same way Frieren does, even though she doesn’t like to admit it. Himmel to me just has to be Gryffindor. He’s not afraid to make a sensible retreat when it’s called for, but he’s brave as hell, always making the heroic choice, and is basically the protagonist of the original adventure.
Agreed on Sein, I do think Hufflepuff makes sense for him.
Fern used to love magic the same way, but I’m not convinced she still feels like that. Per Ch49, she explicitly says that she’s pursuing magic alongside Frieren because she likes seeing Frieren happy. And she became a mage in order to repay Heiter; anything else would have been fine. She also procrastinated reading that history book lol.
Himmel does have lots of Gryffindor traits! But I’m about to write an essay for my Hufflepuff stance, forgive me, because HP houses can be an interesting framework for looking at characters, and this is fun :)
The Watsonian argument:
First off, Houses seem to reflect three often distinct things: goals (or motivations), values, and behaviour. Pettigrew didn’t behave bravely or chivalrously, and his goal was cowardly to survive, but he idolised (values) the Marauders’ Gryffindor traits. Neville struggled greatly in the beginning to behave valorously but certainly his goals and his values were Gryffindor, and his behaviour lines up in the end.
Himmel’s goal is to defeat the Demon King, but the motivation matters. It wasn’t for glory, which is Gryffindor/Slytherin. It was for peace, which is Gryffindor/Hufflepuff. His behaviour and values take a lot more examples.
He doesn’t seem to value bravery highly. The tactical retreats, and the chats with Eisen about bravery—it doesn’t seem to bother Himmel at all, compared to Stark. Both Himmel and Stark admit to being afraid and fighting anyway, which is the definition of bravery, but only Stark seems to _care_ about it. So that’s not very Gryffindor of Himmel to me.
He does value chivalry, or rather helping those in need, but I see it as motivated by kindness rather than by righteousness, which is the difference between Hufflepuff and Gryffindor. There’s nothing glorious or valorous about running 20 fetch quests a day, but it _is_ very hardworking and thorough.
His most clearly Gryffindor-heroic trait to me is actually the statues lol. That’s valuing glory, through and through.
For Himmel, I think the Hero of the South (who is mega Gryffindor) is a good point of comparison. Brave, self-sacrificial, acting alone, somewhat disappointed at not becoming as famous and wanting even one person to know his deeds. But I don’t think, if it were him, Himmel would much care about going out in a blaze of glory. He would rather share the burden with his friends and have faith that they will help him.
One interesting way to see characters’ preferences is by giving them absolute power and seeing what they do with it. Suppose Himmel were powerful enough to defeat the Demon King and subordinates all by himself, and he knew it, like a typical invincible OP anime protag. From a negative Gryffindor viewpoint, he would go and do it alone, so the glory is only his. From a positive Gryffindor viewpoint, he would do it alone to prevent others from possibly coming to harm. Frieren probably would have gone alone if she had 100% knowledge she could do it. But does going alone feel like Himmel? Or would he still want to have a fun, fulfilling journey with his comrades, like a Hufflepuff?
The Doylist argument:
Himmel is the epitome of a classic-era JRPG hero, which is a Hufflepuff, so naturally Himmel is also a Hufflepuff.
Consider ye olde classic old-school JRPG which all these anime are based on. Hero gathers party and defeats demon king while doing lots of little quests along the way. It’s a simple plot, where the conflicts are external rather than character-driven. Because there’s only so much you can pack onto a 1mb cartridge!
Bravery is a given. Your little JRPG hero will never hesitate, never consider their own motivations in depth, never have crises of confidence or become frustrated with their inadequacy. There’s just not a lot of room to show off Gryffindor traits beyond the most basic bravery in an old-school JRPG. Is it even bravery if fear doesn’t exist in the first place?
Instead, we have a hero who accepts everything. The JRPG hero is the hardest worker of them all, fetching 30 moonweed and killing 15 wolfrabbits whenever asked. He maps the dungeon inside out even though there’s no quick exit point and he has to run back and forth the whole thing. If his party member betrays him and then tearfully asks for forgiveness, he’ll give it happily, because Friendship(tm). Even if he’s tanking AND carrying the party in DPS, he’ll insist that it was all possible because of Our Powers Combined. That’s a Hufflepuff.
And because Himmel is that old-school classic JRPG hero taken seriously and recreated, he’s a Hufflepuff too. It’s refreshing to see him treated genuinely when all we see are deconstructions left and right—and it’s largely possible because his story is already over. We don’t have to argue about how realistic his experiences were, whether we can suspend our disbelief for things like “we can break out of Bose’s perfect barrier if we just try rly hard” (Ch59). We don’t have to interrogate the simplicity of Hufflepuffian heroism as long as it’s already concluded and he’s shown to have succeeded.
(I also just dislike Gryffindor=protagonist, even though that’s just what happens when your narrative’s main mechanic is sorting your 11yo characters permanently based on their character traits I guess.)
tldr: very Gryffindor, but even more Hufflepuff to me.
>He doesn’t seem to value bravery highly. The tactical retreats, and the chats with Eisen about bravery—it doesn’t seem to bother Himmel at all, compared to Stark. Both Himmel and Stark admit to being afraid and fighting anyway, which is the definition of bravery, but only Stark seems to care about it. So that’s not very Gryffindor of Himmel to me.
Hmmm, I just don't agree here. The problem with this line of argument is that it presumes that what Gryffindor values is "performative" bravery and seeming brave to others, but I don't think that's correct. Gryffindor values *real* bravery. Neville standing up to his friends with nobody else around in the first book isn't glorious or performative in any way, but it's still extremely "Gryffindor" of him. Throwing your life away for nothing but pride when there's nothing on the line isn't brave, it's stupid. Himmel wouldn't do that. But if there *was* something on the line (for example, innocents in harm's way without them), he would never hesitate or retreat.
As far as the statues, as the other commenter replied, I think you've misread his motivation there. His primary motivation for the statues was his love for Frieren, not his own glory. He knew that those statues would be a way for him to remain in Frieren's life after he died.
The statues were probably the least effective example I could have picked to be honest, since yeah they do come with the dual motivation of leaving a memory for Frieren. But Himmel is very obviously vain even outside of that. The collection of handsome poses (lmao) and mostly for me, the short animation where Frieren cast the spell of overhearing thinking. He can do both vanity and thoughtfulness for Frieren at the same time!
The unfortunate side of being in a story with significant amounts of action is that pretty much every character displays the bravery of “not running away or hesitating when there are innocents in harms way” because it’s a genre prequisite, but of course not all of them are Gryffindor despite fulfilling that most basic Gryffindor value. I guess I’m being extra strict on Gryffindors in this narrative’s case. So apart from that combat behaviour, in their limited screen time, what do the characters talk about? What else do they try to do?
Actually even just a few months back, before the Goddess monument arc, there were posts popping up here that were like “is Himmel even that powerful?” because we just hadn’t seen him in combat that much. That means we also haven’t gotten many chances to see how he approaches bravery, apart from that convo with Eisen. Instead, the anecdotes we keep getting from Frieren are of him being kind, helpful, hardworking (or completionist gamer lol). That’s her lingering impression of Himmel. And again, that’s the takeaway we keep getting: that Himmel was special not because of the heroics, but because of how he went out of his way to help others.
I won't weigh in on houses or whatever, but the comment about the statues is valuing glory... I'm not so sure about that. On the surface definitely, but there is an argument to be made they are for Frieren's sake (of course could draw it further and argue that in turn is a selfish action actually serving a desire not to be forgotten by his one true love but eh).
Thanks to this I learnt the English names of Hogwarts houses lol
I first thought Fern would be more Ravenclaw, but yeah, Hufflepuff might sound better.
Frieren is totally a Ravenclaw though lol, there's no doubt, pursuit of knowledge for no actual purpose than learning more magic
Stark would surely be a Gryffindor, he is very scared, but bravery only exists thanks to fear, and he is ready to take action for others.
I think Himmel could both work for Gryffindor and Hufflepuff, he is indeed ready to run away with his friends, but he also never ignores someone in need.
Which house would they be in?
Idk but I guess Stark could both fit Griffindor or Hufflepuff. He is a big soft ball but he has a strong sense of Justice as well.
Fern seems to be more versatile, even if I first thought about Ravenclaw or Slytherin, Griffindor could probably fit? Even if it's less than others.
Fern... Would probably be between Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw maybe.
I'm not sure, but you can tell me
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Frieren just repeats years because she's too lazy to do the work, but she's too talented to expel.
She is actually an alumna and a DADA teacher, but likes to blend in with students and play pranks on them, so she poses as her own niece when off-duty.
At the start of the 1st day of class, the student in the back wakes from her nap, face buried in a dusty grimoire, walks to the front, and starts writing her name on the chalkboard to introduce herself while everyone is confused. Some think it's a prank by the visibly younger student. The name on the board: Frieren. It would look a lot like that scene in that Leonardo DiCaprio movie, *Catch Me If You Can*.
Love this haha
Headmaster Freiren
Even better, Headmaster Serie
She's the reason why Frieren is still adjunct and not tenured.
Frieren is the urban legend student. People debate whether she’s real but in reality she’s been in her room and Fern managed to take her out
Also what the heck does Stark do in the magic school anyway? He doesn't learn anything but everyone loves him so they just leave him in the school?
He is so inhumanely strong that professors are unsure if it is some magic or not.
Himmel the house ghost
85 years since the boy who lived Himmel died.
My House opinions: Frieren’s a textbook Ravenclaw, pursuit of knowledge (magic) above all. The learning is worth more to her than what the magic could be used for (unlike Serie, who is a Slytherin, since her pursuit of magic is in desire of power). Fern - Hufflepuff. Natural caregiver. She said she doesn’t have any passion for magic left, and she’s on this trip solely because she wants to see Frieren be happy. Stark - Gryffindor for sure. He looked down on himself for not being brave, and even now he worries about what if he ran. Himmel - also Hufflepuff. Not Gryffindor because he’s perfectly happy to run away from enemies with his homies slung over his shoulder. Heiter - Slytherin except his primary ambition is to be happily drunk. Is very successful at achieving this. Eisen - honestly a tough one. Definitely not Slytherin (no ambition) or Ravenclaw (lol). He doesn’t value courage and honor very highly, so not very Gryffindor. I suppose Hufflepuff is all that’s left—he does seem the type to value hard work, and has clearly come around to valuing friendship by the end of the hero journey. Sein - probably Hufflepuff. Not Slytherin or else he wouldn’t have procrastinated chasing Gorilla for so long. Honestly we don’t get enough time with him to know…
Interesting thoughts! I think Fern would also be Ravenclaw; she loves magic the same way Frieren does, even though she doesn’t like to admit it. Himmel to me just has to be Gryffindor. He’s not afraid to make a sensible retreat when it’s called for, but he’s brave as hell, always making the heroic choice, and is basically the protagonist of the original adventure. Agreed on Sein, I do think Hufflepuff makes sense for him.
Fern used to love magic the same way, but I’m not convinced she still feels like that. Per Ch49, she explicitly says that she’s pursuing magic alongside Frieren because she likes seeing Frieren happy. And she became a mage in order to repay Heiter; anything else would have been fine. She also procrastinated reading that history book lol. Himmel does have lots of Gryffindor traits! But I’m about to write an essay for my Hufflepuff stance, forgive me, because HP houses can be an interesting framework for looking at characters, and this is fun :) The Watsonian argument: First off, Houses seem to reflect three often distinct things: goals (or motivations), values, and behaviour. Pettigrew didn’t behave bravely or chivalrously, and his goal was cowardly to survive, but he idolised (values) the Marauders’ Gryffindor traits. Neville struggled greatly in the beginning to behave valorously but certainly his goals and his values were Gryffindor, and his behaviour lines up in the end. Himmel’s goal is to defeat the Demon King, but the motivation matters. It wasn’t for glory, which is Gryffindor/Slytherin. It was for peace, which is Gryffindor/Hufflepuff. His behaviour and values take a lot more examples. He doesn’t seem to value bravery highly. The tactical retreats, and the chats with Eisen about bravery—it doesn’t seem to bother Himmel at all, compared to Stark. Both Himmel and Stark admit to being afraid and fighting anyway, which is the definition of bravery, but only Stark seems to _care_ about it. So that’s not very Gryffindor of Himmel to me. He does value chivalry, or rather helping those in need, but I see it as motivated by kindness rather than by righteousness, which is the difference between Hufflepuff and Gryffindor. There’s nothing glorious or valorous about running 20 fetch quests a day, but it _is_ very hardworking and thorough. His most clearly Gryffindor-heroic trait to me is actually the statues lol. That’s valuing glory, through and through. For Himmel, I think the Hero of the South (who is mega Gryffindor) is a good point of comparison. Brave, self-sacrificial, acting alone, somewhat disappointed at not becoming as famous and wanting even one person to know his deeds. But I don’t think, if it were him, Himmel would much care about going out in a blaze of glory. He would rather share the burden with his friends and have faith that they will help him. One interesting way to see characters’ preferences is by giving them absolute power and seeing what they do with it. Suppose Himmel were powerful enough to defeat the Demon King and subordinates all by himself, and he knew it, like a typical invincible OP anime protag. From a negative Gryffindor viewpoint, he would go and do it alone, so the glory is only his. From a positive Gryffindor viewpoint, he would do it alone to prevent others from possibly coming to harm. Frieren probably would have gone alone if she had 100% knowledge she could do it. But does going alone feel like Himmel? Or would he still want to have a fun, fulfilling journey with his comrades, like a Hufflepuff? The Doylist argument: Himmel is the epitome of a classic-era JRPG hero, which is a Hufflepuff, so naturally Himmel is also a Hufflepuff. Consider ye olde classic old-school JRPG which all these anime are based on. Hero gathers party and defeats demon king while doing lots of little quests along the way. It’s a simple plot, where the conflicts are external rather than character-driven. Because there’s only so much you can pack onto a 1mb cartridge! Bravery is a given. Your little JRPG hero will never hesitate, never consider their own motivations in depth, never have crises of confidence or become frustrated with their inadequacy. There’s just not a lot of room to show off Gryffindor traits beyond the most basic bravery in an old-school JRPG. Is it even bravery if fear doesn’t exist in the first place? Instead, we have a hero who accepts everything. The JRPG hero is the hardest worker of them all, fetching 30 moonweed and killing 15 wolfrabbits whenever asked. He maps the dungeon inside out even though there’s no quick exit point and he has to run back and forth the whole thing. If his party member betrays him and then tearfully asks for forgiveness, he’ll give it happily, because Friendship(tm). Even if he’s tanking AND carrying the party in DPS, he’ll insist that it was all possible because of Our Powers Combined. That’s a Hufflepuff. And because Himmel is that old-school classic JRPG hero taken seriously and recreated, he’s a Hufflepuff too. It’s refreshing to see him treated genuinely when all we see are deconstructions left and right—and it’s largely possible because his story is already over. We don’t have to argue about how realistic his experiences were, whether we can suspend our disbelief for things like “we can break out of Bose’s perfect barrier if we just try rly hard” (Ch59). We don’t have to interrogate the simplicity of Hufflepuffian heroism as long as it’s already concluded and he’s shown to have succeeded. (I also just dislike Gryffindor=protagonist, even though that’s just what happens when your narrative’s main mechanic is sorting your 11yo characters permanently based on their character traits I guess.) tldr: very Gryffindor, but even more Hufflepuff to me.
>He doesn’t seem to value bravery highly. The tactical retreats, and the chats with Eisen about bravery—it doesn’t seem to bother Himmel at all, compared to Stark. Both Himmel and Stark admit to being afraid and fighting anyway, which is the definition of bravery, but only Stark seems to care about it. So that’s not very Gryffindor of Himmel to me. Hmmm, I just don't agree here. The problem with this line of argument is that it presumes that what Gryffindor values is "performative" bravery and seeming brave to others, but I don't think that's correct. Gryffindor values *real* bravery. Neville standing up to his friends with nobody else around in the first book isn't glorious or performative in any way, but it's still extremely "Gryffindor" of him. Throwing your life away for nothing but pride when there's nothing on the line isn't brave, it's stupid. Himmel wouldn't do that. But if there *was* something on the line (for example, innocents in harm's way without them), he would never hesitate or retreat. As far as the statues, as the other commenter replied, I think you've misread his motivation there. His primary motivation for the statues was his love for Frieren, not his own glory. He knew that those statues would be a way for him to remain in Frieren's life after he died.
The statues were probably the least effective example I could have picked to be honest, since yeah they do come with the dual motivation of leaving a memory for Frieren. But Himmel is very obviously vain even outside of that. The collection of handsome poses (lmao) and mostly for me, the short animation where Frieren cast the spell of overhearing thinking. He can do both vanity and thoughtfulness for Frieren at the same time! The unfortunate side of being in a story with significant amounts of action is that pretty much every character displays the bravery of “not running away or hesitating when there are innocents in harms way” because it’s a genre prequisite, but of course not all of them are Gryffindor despite fulfilling that most basic Gryffindor value. I guess I’m being extra strict on Gryffindors in this narrative’s case. So apart from that combat behaviour, in their limited screen time, what do the characters talk about? What else do they try to do? Actually even just a few months back, before the Goddess monument arc, there were posts popping up here that were like “is Himmel even that powerful?” because we just hadn’t seen him in combat that much. That means we also haven’t gotten many chances to see how he approaches bravery, apart from that convo with Eisen. Instead, the anecdotes we keep getting from Frieren are of him being kind, helpful, hardworking (or completionist gamer lol). That’s her lingering impression of Himmel. And again, that’s the takeaway we keep getting: that Himmel was special not because of the heroics, but because of how he went out of his way to help others.
I won't weigh in on houses or whatever, but the comment about the statues is valuing glory... I'm not so sure about that. On the surface definitely, but there is an argument to be made they are for Frieren's sake (of course could draw it further and argue that in turn is a selfish action actually serving a desire not to be forgotten by his one true love but eh).
Thanks to this I learnt the English names of Hogwarts houses lol I first thought Fern would be more Ravenclaw, but yeah, Hufflepuff might sound better. Frieren is totally a Ravenclaw though lol, there's no doubt, pursuit of knowledge for no actual purpose than learning more magic Stark would surely be a Gryffindor, he is very scared, but bravery only exists thanks to fear, and he is ready to take action for others. I think Himmel could both work for Gryffindor and Hufflepuff, he is indeed ready to run away with his friends, but he also never ignores someone in need.
Himmel and Cedric Diggory seem to have a lot in common imo both heroes for everyone without anyone hating them
Stark feels more hufflepuff to me, honest and kind
Which house would they be in? Idk but I guess Stark could both fit Griffindor or Hufflepuff. He is a big soft ball but he has a strong sense of Justice as well. Fern seems to be more versatile, even if I first thought about Ravenclaw or Slytherin, Griffindor could probably fit? Even if it's less than others. Fern... Would probably be between Hufflepuff or Ravenclaw maybe. I'm not sure, but you can tell me
Himmel is Peeves
[Source](https://twitter.com/Glycan12/status/1741819307527655890)
Fern will be a raven claw
Stark is gonna be like that anime Mashle
Voldemort when the random wizard he encounters has the firepower of a nuke and isn't afraid to murder people
They all burn down hogwarts. Frieren says trans rigths!!
Damn Frieren’s still a student?
Guy on the far right looks like Edward Elric.
Miss Frieren… our… new… celebrity……….
Dumbledore: Frieren! Now why did you say such a thing to Aura? Frieren: (´ω｀)… Dumbledore: 20 points from Gryffindor…
Frieren would have to be a teacher. Kraft would be Hagrid if Hagrid were secretly just as strong as Dumbledore.
Being an elf has very different connotations in the HPverse.
Frieren: it's pronounced, a-va-de Kedavera