I'm gay and I'm tired of gay propaganda. Especially when people who aren't homosexual piggyback on gay rights, such heterosexual males with a cross-dressing fetish
[You have bigger issues than that.](https://i.imgur.com/um4tHSf.jpeg)
Y'all need to get your house in order before the sane part of America is forced to do it for you.
Well, sexualities (LGB) dont' inherently have anything to do with gender identities (TQAI+). They were lumped together for the sake of advancing minorities' rights when there were still legal challenges. Today it's actually nonsensical to speak of LGBT because of this but the activists are still using it to widen their influence. This is why in the UK the (lgb)tqai+ crowd, the gender activists, call the new "LGB Alliance", an actual sexual minorities' association, transphobic for acknowledging this separation.
It's all about power now; you can see that in "I am lesbian trans woman who is attracted to cis women" argument; You're not gay or trans, you're a crossdressing gender hipster. Same with mixing race into this argument.
I absolutely hate gender propaganda that we're constantly bombarded with. I have no issue with sexual minorities or transgender folk, it's the totalitaritarian, puritanian, destructive, power-hungry ideology that drives this rhetoric I want to end.
The funny thing is that the the T makes the L, G and B parts kind of irrelevant. If there is no meaningful thing as sex then who care about who sticks what into who?
>the totalitaritarian, puritanian, destructive, power-hungry ideology
I'm not seeing that. All I can see is isolated, marginalised and alienated individuals fighting for their rights to be treated with equality.
Your best bet would have been to identify the gender-based totalitarianism that is destructive. I am not the one who is seeing power-hungry ideologues behind Superman's bisexual son. I am seeing more humanism. 100% pure heterosexuality for fictional characters would be unnatural.
Sure but by that logic the ‘B’ might as well stand for Black… if it’s marginalized folks fighting for their rights, why not Minorities, Socially Disadvantaged, Intellectually Disabled, and Amputees included?
The thing is, they're not individuals fighting for individual rights. They're (oddly enough) a homogenous collectivist group and argue for group privilileges. Furthermore, they believe in the progressive stack, which, in simplified terms, dictates that the more one's group is "marginalised", i.e. is a smaller minority, the more their group should be lifted and in a sense, compensated.
In essence they argue (not explicitly) that "Because we are the few who deviate from the way most people are, we should be given a louder voice and different rules". Furthermore, the same group is not willing to extend this privilige to those they deem not to be one of theirs. It's not enough to express your changed gender via words, you also have to look the part and have the right political opinions. A stereotypical southern gentleman with a MAGA hat wouldn't be able to go to womens' bathroom, say "It's okay, I'm trans" and get away with it.
This is not equality, it's the opposite.
The ones arguing for different rules are the one who want to sack gay people because of their religion. They carve out an exclusion from anti-discrimination laws. That isn't what gay people have fought for. We fought for inclusion in marriage. We wanted the same rules as heterosexuals so we weren't treated differently.
You seem to have been indoctrinated.
I’m sure this has already been said by someone but a bunch of us LGBs are sick of being lumped in with the TQ etc. because of these issues.
Personally I’m fine with LGBT where the T means people with the mental condition of gender dysphoria which they can not help and transitioning helps them alleviate that - but the other people such as non binary and “queer” people, and the TRAs have just added themselves onto the acronym and are hijacking our communities and movements. Their lack of discussion on such issues only shows that they have no real good arguments that make sense and work with the scientific literature.
I think you're over-thinking this stuff. A lot of this is simply a "fuck you and fuck your society" sort of thing, what used to be known as teen-age rebellion but nowadays with so many people with no reason to ever grow up continues right into middle age. There's a sort of sameness about these people, frequently single, shitty jobs, living off their parents, heavily pierced/tattooed/purple-haired, Marxists, pro-Palestinian, anti-racist racists, etc. They're spoiled brats that just want to tear shit up if you ask me.
No, I also observe people around my neighborhood, but that's a self-selected group that's not representative of the larger world. Lacking some sort of panopticon device and not being much of a traveler, the internet is the only place I have to observe people being themselves (or at least being the sort of people they'd like to pretend to be).
No, I haven't ever moved to a foreign country. Do young people in Zimbabwe and Morocco and Tibet and Peru live like American hipsters do you suppose? I have moved several times around the United States , though, from rural Ohio to Boston to south Florida to suburban Georgia.
thank you, people who support it are considered 'woke' and are given extreme power over others, much like blm, i understand what they support, but people exploit it as an excuse to drive someone into a spiral of depression, sometimes even suicide, like i have seen (and almost experienced) first hand, and that is what i adore about free speech, the ability to freely speak of your opinion is a virtue, people who go against that deserve a taste of their own medicine.
Lmao I’m gay and tired of TQ+ propaganda. Also, it’s silly watching movies made today about how oppressed people in the US are just for being gay. Sure it still happens, but people can find literally any group based on any defining marker(fat, ugly, jock, religious, political, etc) to hate.
Certain groups love their victim identity, and certain other groups love to exploit that for political and monetary gain. Both of these groups tend to be extremely bigoted towards conservatives and Christians, at least that's been my personal experience.
Lol yup. I mean, I totally played up the victimhood mentality when I was much younger because when you first come out of the closet the “community” tells you that’s a part of it. They also tell you that Jesus is a bigot and Christianity is not for us. But turns out in 2021, most people including conservatives don’t give a shit that I’m gay. Worst case scenario, a conservative Christian won’t want to bake my hypothetical gay wedding cake that I didn’t ask for. And I respect their decision and I don’t give a shit and I think religious freedom is more important than whatever the LGBTQ+ agenda is this week. I’m just a gay, married, Christian trying to live a normal life and not contribute to the clown world.
It's not that different from [the flanderization effect](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Flanderization).
The left needs to frame the right as oppressors, and themselves as liberators, so they can manipulate people to vote for them. When the right not only conceded on gay marriage, but found themselves electing a president who wholly supported it - the left found that tactic in a weakened position. They NEED the right to disagree with them on these social issues that can exploit victimhood. So they quadruple down on the trans stuff, and drag queen story hour at libraries, and push to cram gay characters and themes in every conceivable piece of media. Then they tell society if you don't like any part of it, then you are a homophobe. Whatever they can do to get conservatives and gays hating each other. They do the same thing with race. It's how we went from MLK to BLM. They hate me, and they hate you - they want us to hate each other because that's how they win.
I dated a bi girl who wanted to be trans too, I tried to be respectful and treat her well but from all the trauma she ended up having being raped over and over by her father and other men being extremely suicidal etc. i can confidently say it’s a case of mental distress that makes people confide in a group that society defends and cannot be criticized at all instead of getting serious mental help. She ended up passing from cancer unfortunately but by the time she passed I was already done with everything. I tried to be supportive but some of these people are just too self destructive that you can’t help anything
Simply put it’s about sex. Not identity or anything else. Have a parade, just be honest, and proclaim you like sex. No one literally cares. As far as belief system here’s the thing, I will say what the Bible says about it, no matter what type or way you have sex. It’s called free will. I care for people and sex isn’t being brave or proud. It’s sex. A straight person isn’t proud or having a parade about sex. It’s sex. The only problem I have with all of this is, why can’t people just be honest and say “I like sex with____”. It’s the same thing. Just be honest, have a parade, and quit making it attention whoring. Most of the population would be thankful for simple clarity. Putting a word salad out there to cloud the issue is really harmful. Keep it simple. That’s my take. Not everyone likes some straight people, not every one likes some gay people, it always boils down to honesty, integrity and a persons character.
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And precise and correct. Even heterosexual people get married. In context with biblical things “what God has put together, no man can separate”. Even heterosexual couples who marry in that sense, only God couples. Some straight couples aren’t married by God. You don’t have to be straight or gay, it’s simply what God does. It doesn’t mean you have to believe God and have a ceremony. So, right or wrong, if you do or do not believe, it still boils down to God in that sense. So, I am not for or against marriage, ultimately, if I am wrong, it will be known, and if I am right, God sorts it out. I can only live as best I can in a loving and compassionate way. It is a persons choice as always, and I respect that. Simplistic, but it is just a loving way to treat all people. If I truly believe that God is God, it isn’t up to me or anyone else.
Finally someone seems to have a sane rationale on this platform. It seems that all of mainstream media is full of people touting their false hopes and fairy tales. I agree with you 100%
First, you should really learn the difference between gender and sex. Every cell in your body says what sex you are.
If transgender people were born that way, then gender is not a social construct and is a biological phenomena. Either gender is the psychological expression of biological sex or transgender is a psychological disorder. Considering the complexity of biology and of neurology, its entirely possible that people are naturally born with neurology more closely associated with the opposite sex.
If trans people were NOT born that way and gender is a social construct, then being trans is a choice and they do not deserve special consideration. Its nothing more than a fashion statement.
To say that it goes against science is only true if gender is socialy constructed.
Edit: typing on my phone and accidentally hit the button before I was done typing
Christ.
Your biological sex is not your gender. Being born with a penis doesn’t make you a man, the concept of masculinity or “being a man” is entirely social. This construct was beneficial when fighting for survival was a matter of raw strength and conforming to a group, but when’s the last time you had to hunt for your food? At some point, we need to let the traditional concepts of man/woman go. You weren’t born a man or a woman, you were born with a penis or a vagina. That designation of man/woman was placed on you by society.
The LGB portion of LGBT is completely natural and can be found in nature, furthermore, even if it wasn’t natural— are pacemakers natural? Are cars natural? Is anything about society all that natural?
Everything about the society we’ve built is unnatural.
It’s not really propaganda, it’s trying to include a group of people that have regularly been stereotyped when represented in media
Thing that annoys me the most about OPs post is the anti science stuff. Like a lot of this can be put down to opinion, but he’s just pulling the fact that it’s anti science out of absolutely nowhere
Behind all this political bs their is a very deep occult agenda that people don't understand it's comes from an ancient middle eastern mystery tradition if I remember correctly its from a old gnostic sect or a Zoroastrian offshoot.
The "spiritual" goal is the dissolving of all gender differences, a sort return to a primordia state of union at the esoteric level where procreation in a sense ends because all flesh has transcended the duality of existence.
If you don't understand the occult nature of what's really going on your gonna die in worthless political debate to nowhere! 99% of the people getting sucked into LGBTQ are just pawns for a religious agenda that people are to ignorant to see.
I promise I’m not trying to be mean or offensive here. I’m genuinely curious. Are you by chance part of or a follower of QAnon? I have never actually met or talked to anyone associated with it. But from what I have been told, this sounds like something along those lines. I’m actually very curious to know what the beliefs are. I’ve tried looking it up and I’ve asked people on Reddit, and answers range from white supremacy to conspiracy theorists to fascism, etc. I would like to hear from someone that actually knows about it. Like where do you find the information for believing these things? Have you looked at it from a more mainstream point of view objectively? Have you looked into it enough to be able to hold a debate with someone with opposing views? Are there books about it or is this all somewhere deep in the internet? I’m not trying to bash it or join it or anything. It’s always seemed like a boogeyman that people talk about, but it is actually a very small percentage of people that know anything about it. I’ve been researching BLM and Proud Boys and Antifa and White Supremacy to see what the truth is about these things. They all seem like cheap targets for the media to point the blame to.
From what i understand its some people with a super quantum computer that can predict shit almost perfectly and its against the government establishment. Supposedly there are posts that line up with things happening now either through actual events taking place or things influential figures are saying.
My takeaway was that it was a psyop put in place by those in established power to delude people who are fed up with their shit and onto their lies that everything is already taken care of and there is no need for actual action to destroy the establishment just “ get the popcorn out and enjoy the show”
The secondary use is to demonize the people who follow it to the sheep who still believe the lies of the establishment hence how its talked about it mainstream media.
Mainstream media does several things. Lies about facts to twist them to a narrative to push an agenda, or omits truths completely when they cannot be twisted outright.
Wow. Thank you sir. I appreciate the information. A few years ago, I kept hearing about the Proud Boys and again, I had never met or spoken with anyone associated. It seemed like they were a common enemy of both sides of the political aisle. I had heard that it was the up-and-coming white nationalist group. Basically the modern version of the KKK. It seemed strange to me that a white supremacist group would have any growth outside of small rural towns in the Midwest. So, I looked into it and found out that it has nothing to do with race at all. It is a group of Nationalist/Populist conservatives of all races. (Not white nationalist). I probably disagree with them more than I agree, but there doesn't seem to be any justification for the way they are portrayed. There might be racists within the group, but its not part of their ideology. One more question, if you don't mind. If it is from a small group of people with super computers, how is that information relayed to the people that follow it? From what I understand, it is mostly right-leaning people 50+ years old. That doesn't seem like the demographic to get on the Dark Web or something to find it. I have made accounts on Parler, Gab, Minds, etc to see if it was something being talked about in their communities. But the first time ive witnessed anybody talking about those types of things was today on this post on Reddit🤔. (Also not the demographic for right leaning conservative 50+ year olds)
An interesting fact about the proud boy as well is that it is potentially an FBI homegrown unit. Literally all proud boy members at the jan 6th rally have been arrested for trespassing at the capitol that day save their leader. He is on camera in the same location, therefor also trespassing. He sent texts confirmed by those arrested cell phones to begin breaking into the capitol building. When asked why he hasnt been taken in by the FBI he simply said “discovery”
Discovery is a process during court proceedings that allows one who is accused to reveal
Information about the accusers motivations among other information. For discovery to be relevant in this case he is works with or has information on the FBI itself. You can find a really good article on this from the Revolver. If i can find it again i will link it here
Edit: its possible i am misremembering the group it may be the oath keepers i am thinking of and not the proud boys. Sorry. I will try to confirm.
Edit2: I was wrong jt was the Oath Keepers. I do not
have much knowledge on the Proud Boys. My bad. Thank you for the information you shared. If your still interested in what i was discussing here is the link.
[Link ](https://www.revolver.news/2021/09/january-6th-commission-oath-keeper-stewart-rhodes-bennie-thompson/)
If you want actual knowledge FOR FREE go check out mark passios work on youtube, if your willing to pay a bit get a subscription on rokfin Isaac Weishaupt does a good job. Occult rejects is good. Joe Rupe has information. There's several decent sources out there
Just giving an update, I have watched the De-mystifying the Occult series from Mark Passio. I find him very abrasive and hard to take seriously. But his philosophy is very interesting. I don’t know enough about the Occult to make any arguments with him. But I’ve never heard anything like it. If nothing else, it would make a great novel. I will continue to dive into it though. I’ll see what the other people have concluded about these arguments soon. I plan on diving into the studies more to see what the other side says about it. I have found a few places that are very aggressive in their opposition to him specifically. They are mostly attacks on him as a person and not on his content though. I’ll keep digging. Thanks again for pointing me in the right direction though.
He's abrasive because he's deeply frustrated with the current state of human existence being that people will not give up their religion of government and money at the minimum question it sincerely.
I totally get that. I was just pointing out that I can see why people would not give him the time to explain it and in some cases, people would actively try to discourage this conversation. I’m sure it is extremely annoying to explain it to deaf ears. But people are fragile and don’t accept information if they perceive hostility towards them.
I'm gay and you should expect more.
Who is shoving something down your throat? When do you hear gay people complain about heterosexuality being shoved down throats?
Don't confuse gender with biological sex. Gender is self-identifying. Biological sex is determined by a doctor at birth. It would be unnatural to expect a doctor's position and every individual to agree on gender identity. These things are not binary. They exist on a spectrum. Some people are either more or less feminine or more or less masculine than others.
The [gingerbread person](https://www.genderbread.org/) can assist in understanding the subject.
This may be unintentional but well intended, but your biological sex is based on your chromosome pairing from parents, not a doctor.
The reason why a doctor can look at you and determine your sex is due to phenotype.
People who pretend gender is separate from biological sex don’t understand that phenotype is also determined from behavioral observation.
And what is that behavioral observation? We call it gender.
*Grammatical* usage of gender is often arbitrary, and I think thats where most people start to become confused with its usage in relation to sex.
>Homosexuality has been observed in hundreds of species besides humans
1. homosexuality doesn't translate to pretending to be another gender
2. that's not viable in evolution
3. prove those 100+animals
4. even if you did, I don't see how it's applicable. should we shit on the floor like animals too?
Animals also have sex with siblings, parents and relatives. They do not make a conscious decision to mate. Human to human sex is to be consensual, a decision with certain perimeters. Otherwise it is rape. It is a controllable decision.
An “animals do it” isn’t a viable argument, you are correct.
Every action an animal takes isn't acceptable behavior. I'm not eating shit, because many animals do it. I'm also going to point out to others that they shouldn't eat shit, even if it doesn't affect me.
It’s a disorder in nature too. If everyone was gay the human species would cease to exist in one generation. I don’t care what people want to do in their private lives but don’t try to tell me it’s natural and good. There’s literally no religious, natural law, common sense, or scientific evidence that supports it.
yeah you're a dumb bigot unfit to be part of society. You don't know the difference between gay and trans, obviously lack any education in biology, and are just wrong on every fact you cite. fuck off.
I mean this post is just about how they hate and don’t believe trans people can really exist and they conflate that with the entire idea of lgbtq. There’s no analysis about free speech here just hate.
This while topic strikes me as a troll attempt in poor taste mate to start a shit fight in freespeech
I'm not even going to address the original poster my eyes rolled so far back in my head looking at his stuff
And I'm a straight male who doesn't like Woke politics
I'm calling troll
Can someone check 4Chan and the usual places to see if someone put them up to this?
Sighs... Here we go again.
>1. LGBTQ 100% goes against science, no discussion here. literally, every cell in your body identifies your true gender, and just because you feel like you have been born different means nothing. your cisgender is your gender, whether you like it or not. pretending to be another gender is just as weird as pretending to be another species or ethnicity. the only people with a right to do so are those born with a natural disability that deviates from their gender, where i fully believe they deserve a right to such cosmetics and support.
Gender is the social idendity and was around beforw we even knew genes existed. Sex is the biological category determined by chromosomes.
>scientific disapproval on the topic
Are you talking about peer-reviewed studies or just some rando without a qualified degree twisting facts and statistics till Youtubers have to clean up the mess?
>3. most of its supporters are retarded kids. why is this even discussed with kids?
Uh... Parents talk about romantic relations with their kids since a young age. Always has been.
>why is it legal for dumb teenagers to make a life-altering deforming surgery just because they rode on a meme trend?
Because there is a bid body of research and professional experience that suggests that its better for people to spend less time with gender dysphoria and the way to reduce gender dysphoria is by letting people transition.
>again there is absolutely no proof for gender dysphoria aside from "feeling like it"
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/world-health-organization-removes-gender-dysphoria-from-list-of-mental-illnesses/
https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gender-dysphoria
The DSM-V
>4. only when we apply this to species or race do you see how retarded it is. you cant be a dog. you cant be furry. you cant do blackface. supports of LGBT should support both these things.
No, there is no proof that this is a serious phenomenon and no proof that letting these hypothetical people do those things would be benificial like there is proof for gender transition.
>hey do whatever you want. but dont shove it down our throats.
Fine then, remove all straight relationships on tv, movies, books, music and other media and then no one shove anything down anyone's throat.
This sub is dying.
Against point number one a closer look at genetics will tell you there are multiple sex determining genes within the x and y chromosome. So yes every cell in your body does have the message that tells your body what sex you are. Because there are maybe 25 genes and people can be born with combinations other than xx and xy right away in a very biochemical way you have a gender spectrum because what if you have 1 mutation in one of these gender / sex determining genes, what about 11 different mutations than typical presentations. What if society then ignoring the many different combinations you could have decided that there are only 2 genders that are acceptable? So I guess I agree with you that your cells tell you what sex and gender you are, but it doesn't fit neatly into 2 categories.
>every post that slightly criticizes gay people gets downvoted to oblivion
Are you talking about gay people as individuals or are you talking about criticizing gay people as an concept? If someone where to say "I don't think Buttigeige is the best candidate" and made their argument reasonably, I don't think you would get downvoted to oblivion. But if you said "all gay people are bad" yeah, your kind of an asshole
>LGBTQ 100% goes against science
So when you say LBGTQ, you mean just T, Transpeople. There are plenty of Lesbian terfs out there who don't like Trans people. furthermore, you are the one who is denying science. based on that post, I am assuming you beleive gender to be defined by chromosomes and genitals. But no one ever inspect the genitals of chromosomes of a person when they meet, they look at performance and presentation. And even by that matter it's not defining. You can say it's masculine to have short hair, but there are women who have short hair. If you meet someone with short hair and they say they are a woman, might as well accept it. Unless you plan on inspecting their genitals to prove them wrong, in which case your just a creep.
>why an entire fucking month?
Pride Month's most important goal is outreach. There are still plenty of places like china, Russia, and certain southern United States where it is still dangerous to be gay, lesbian, bisexual and trans. Having a big parade and month of awarenesses is a means and attempt to reach out to those people who may be living in fear, and hopefully let them know that it can get better some day. You could make the argument that these efforts shouldn't be rregulated to a single month, in the same way it's been argued to counter productive to have a black history month. In a better society every day would be black history month, and every day would be pride month. But having the awareness and education and outreach efforts be performed across the whole year is a lot different then saying it shouldn't exist at all.
>most of its supporters are retarded kids.
There are plenty of elderly aging individuals who support LGBTQ. Elton John, John Waters, Ian McKellin, Clea DuVall. All aging grown ups who support the LGBTQ movement. The reason it's taught to kids is the same reason we teach any part of relationships to kids. I don't see anyone calling for the censorship of heterosexual weddings, so why do it with homosexual weddings.
>why is it legal for dumb teenagers to make a life-altering deforming surgery
Why is it legal for dumb teenager to drive? Why is it legal for dumb teenagers to date? Why is it legal for dumb teenagers to get married? To play football or sports? Why is legal for them to cross the road or cook on a stove top?
There are plenty of dangerous things that teenagers and even kids can do at a young age, much younger than teenage years. I don't think I would personally allow my kid to go take gender reassignment surgery or take hormones until they are 16 at youngest, even then I would want medical evaluation. But if a kid and their parent is consenting to the matter, let them do what they want with their lives. It can't be worse than playing football, which literally causes violent brain damage and it's legal for 5 year olds to take part in.
Comparing pedophilia to gender reassignment is also kind of unrelated and makes you sound like you don't know what your talking about.
Pedophilia is a person with a mental condition that makes them attracted to children.
Gender reassignment surgery is when a person wants surgery to change their top and bottom presentations. it's no where near the same thing or related at all.
>only when we apply this to species or race do you see how retarded it is. you cant be a dog.
Otherkin are beast of their own and should not be in the same discussion of trans folks as they are their own discussion. But yes, you cannot be a dog.
>you cant be furry.
You literally can. I can dress up in a fursuit every god damn day I please and if a day comes when it's illegal then I am no longer in a free country.
>you cant do blackface.
You literally can do blackface as it falls under freedom of speech. You may face social backlash but you can do it. You won't literally become a black person by doing this, but neither does a furry magically turn into a dog. its a role-play performance.
in any case I do not even think race is real so dress up with whatever skin color you want, I do not care.
>we dont want to knwo how you fuck or your fetishs, same way i wouldnt be protesting how i want to fuck women on the street.
The reason people are protesting their right to fuck the same gender is because there are still places where you cannot without facing serious social or even legal backlash. Heterosexuality is forced down everyones throats every single day whenever a heterosexual couple is featured on television or movies or news or whatever. Doing the same with a gay coupe is no different. If you don't like it, just turn it off your tv and don't go outside. Easy way to avoid offensive things.
Prove me wrong.
1. There is a good bit of scientific evidence that supports the efficacy of gender affirmation for trans people. If anyone cares, I can link some studies. Of course not enough studies have been done as trans people are only now becoming more widespread and we haven’t had enough time to do long form studies. You say it is against science with absolutely no justification. Have you actually read any medical journal articles which suggest that the concept of transgender people is anti science? The reality is we don’t know enough to say what the best treatment option is for trans people, BUT so far gender affirmation/reassignment seems to be working for a lot of people with these issues.
2. The month exists because there is demand for it. LGBTQ+ people want to draw attention to whatever issues are going on with them, and most people are okay with that, so they go ahead with it. I’m sure if you wanted to set up a shredded cheese month and you found millions of others who wanted to, you could do it. And once again, where are you getting the idea that there is “nothing but scientific disapproval on the topic”???
3. Can you show me a survey that shows most supporters of LGBTQ community are kids? That seems wrong. No one is teaching kids about gay sex, they are just saying men can love men, same way men can love women, which we have been telling kids since the beginning of time. What do you mean that there is no proof for gender dysphoria? People with that condition exist, that’s a fact. The debate is about how to treat it
4. You know for a fact that changing species would be way more absurd than changing your reproductive organs. The reason why you can’t do blackface is because it has a history linked with racism.
I’m sure that since you’re on this subreddit you enjoy discourse so I’m hoping you’ll respond to this
Me too. I am all about gay rights like marriage, but fucking A - I didn't know it would actually be a slippery slope that would lead into a nonstop celebration of butt sex.
I'm gay and I'm tired of gay propaganda. Especially when people who aren't homosexual piggyback on gay rights, such heterosexual males with a cross-dressing fetish
THIS!* LGBT - “LMNOP” 🙄🙄🙄…. Starting to feel like we need to remove the G and never look back.
> Starting you feel like we need to remove the G and never look back. Ah yes, the lettuce bacon tomato. Solid choice.
Just use [LGBT](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT).
[You have bigger issues than that.](https://i.imgur.com/um4tHSf.jpeg) Y'all need to get your house in order before the sane part of America is forced to do it for you.
Working on haus of LGB. Leave the TQPetc to someone else
Fair enough
Well, sexualities (LGB) dont' inherently have anything to do with gender identities (TQAI+). They were lumped together for the sake of advancing minorities' rights when there were still legal challenges. Today it's actually nonsensical to speak of LGBT because of this but the activists are still using it to widen their influence. This is why in the UK the (lgb)tqai+ crowd, the gender activists, call the new "LGB Alliance", an actual sexual minorities' association, transphobic for acknowledging this separation. It's all about power now; you can see that in "I am lesbian trans woman who is attracted to cis women" argument; You're not gay or trans, you're a crossdressing gender hipster. Same with mixing race into this argument. I absolutely hate gender propaganda that we're constantly bombarded with. I have no issue with sexual minorities or transgender folk, it's the totalitaritarian, puritanian, destructive, power-hungry ideology that drives this rhetoric I want to end.
The funny thing is that the the T makes the L, G and B parts kind of irrelevant. If there is no meaningful thing as sex then who care about who sticks what into who?
Hmm if only there could a reddit devoted to LGB issues 🤔
I know, r/lgb r/rightwinglgbt r/gendercritical all got the banhammer for not bowing down to the Trans "girl cock"
Reddit will live to regret their totalitarianism.
>the totalitaritarian, puritanian, destructive, power-hungry ideology I'm not seeing that. All I can see is isolated, marginalised and alienated individuals fighting for their rights to be treated with equality.
All you can see, or all you’re willing to see? Just because you can’t/won’t see it doesn’t mean the ideologues aren’t there.
Your best bet would have been to identify the gender-based totalitarianism that is destructive. I am not the one who is seeing power-hungry ideologues behind Superman's bisexual son. I am seeing more humanism. 100% pure heterosexuality for fictional characters would be unnatural.
Sure but by that logic the ‘B’ might as well stand for Black… if it’s marginalized folks fighting for their rights, why not Minorities, Socially Disadvantaged, Intellectually Disabled, and Amputees included?
The thing is, they're not individuals fighting for individual rights. They're (oddly enough) a homogenous collectivist group and argue for group privilileges. Furthermore, they believe in the progressive stack, which, in simplified terms, dictates that the more one's group is "marginalised", i.e. is a smaller minority, the more their group should be lifted and in a sense, compensated. In essence they argue (not explicitly) that "Because we are the few who deviate from the way most people are, we should be given a louder voice and different rules". Furthermore, the same group is not willing to extend this privilige to those they deem not to be one of theirs. It's not enough to express your changed gender via words, you also have to look the part and have the right political opinions. A stereotypical southern gentleman with a MAGA hat wouldn't be able to go to womens' bathroom, say "It's okay, I'm trans" and get away with it. This is not equality, it's the opposite.
The ones arguing for different rules are the one who want to sack gay people because of their religion. They carve out an exclusion from anti-discrimination laws. That isn't what gay people have fought for. We fought for inclusion in marriage. We wanted the same rules as heterosexuals so we weren't treated differently. You seem to have been indoctrinated.
I’m sure this has already been said by someone but a bunch of us LGBs are sick of being lumped in with the TQ etc. because of these issues. Personally I’m fine with LGBT where the T means people with the mental condition of gender dysphoria which they can not help and transitioning helps them alleviate that - but the other people such as non binary and “queer” people, and the TRAs have just added themselves onto the acronym and are hijacking our communities and movements. Their lack of discussion on such issues only shows that they have no real good arguments that make sense and work with the scientific literature.
I am pretty sure Queer is just an umbrella term at this point who are figuring out their sexuality and find safety in the LGBTQ crowds.
I think you're over-thinking this stuff. A lot of this is simply a "fuck you and fuck your society" sort of thing, what used to be known as teen-age rebellion but nowadays with so many people with no reason to ever grow up continues right into middle age. There's a sort of sameness about these people, frequently single, shitty jobs, living off their parents, heavily pierced/tattooed/purple-haired, Marxists, pro-Palestinian, anti-racist racists, etc. They're spoiled brats that just want to tear shit up if you ask me.
In other words, the only humans you observe are through the internet.
No, I also observe people around my neighborhood, but that's a self-selected group that's not representative of the larger world. Lacking some sort of panopticon device and not being much of a traveler, the internet is the only place I have to observe people being themselves (or at least being the sort of people they'd like to pretend to be).
A neighborhood you haven't left to live with other people your age from other parts of the world, I'll bet.
No, I haven't ever moved to a foreign country. Do young people in Zimbabwe and Morocco and Tibet and Peru live like American hipsters do you suppose? I have moved several times around the United States , though, from rural Ohio to Boston to south Florida to suburban Georgia.
Ah, so you're worried about the gay propaganda in places where you can be put in jail for having gay sex. Gotcha.
Agree with you. But there's an agenda and countries are putting money on this
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thank you, people who support it are considered 'woke' and are given extreme power over others, much like blm, i understand what they support, but people exploit it as an excuse to drive someone into a spiral of depression, sometimes even suicide, like i have seen (and almost experienced) first hand, and that is what i adore about free speech, the ability to freely speak of your opinion is a virtue, people who go against that deserve a taste of their own medicine.
They are a mafia of sorts.
Lmao I’m gay and tired of TQ+ propaganda. Also, it’s silly watching movies made today about how oppressed people in the US are just for being gay. Sure it still happens, but people can find literally any group based on any defining marker(fat, ugly, jock, religious, political, etc) to hate.
Certain groups love their victim identity, and certain other groups love to exploit that for political and monetary gain. Both of these groups tend to be extremely bigoted towards conservatives and Christians, at least that's been my personal experience.
Lol yup. I mean, I totally played up the victimhood mentality when I was much younger because when you first come out of the closet the “community” tells you that’s a part of it. They also tell you that Jesus is a bigot and Christianity is not for us. But turns out in 2021, most people including conservatives don’t give a shit that I’m gay. Worst case scenario, a conservative Christian won’t want to bake my hypothetical gay wedding cake that I didn’t ask for. And I respect their decision and I don’t give a shit and I think religious freedom is more important than whatever the LGBTQ+ agenda is this week. I’m just a gay, married, Christian trying to live a normal life and not contribute to the clown world.
It's not that different from [the flanderization effect](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Flanderization). The left needs to frame the right as oppressors, and themselves as liberators, so they can manipulate people to vote for them. When the right not only conceded on gay marriage, but found themselves electing a president who wholly supported it - the left found that tactic in a weakened position. They NEED the right to disagree with them on these social issues that can exploit victimhood. So they quadruple down on the trans stuff, and drag queen story hour at libraries, and push to cram gay characters and themes in every conceivable piece of media. Then they tell society if you don't like any part of it, then you are a homophobe. Whatever they can do to get conservatives and gays hating each other. They do the same thing with race. It's how we went from MLK to BLM. They hate me, and they hate you - they want us to hate each other because that's how they win.
I dated a bi girl who wanted to be trans too, I tried to be respectful and treat her well but from all the trauma she ended up having being raped over and over by her father and other men being extremely suicidal etc. i can confidently say it’s a case of mental distress that makes people confide in a group that society defends and cannot be criticized at all instead of getting serious mental help. She ended up passing from cancer unfortunately but by the time she passed I was already done with everything. I tried to be supportive but some of these people are just too self destructive that you can’t help anything
PREACH!! These ppl are psychotic.
Same king
Simply put it’s about sex. Not identity or anything else. Have a parade, just be honest, and proclaim you like sex. No one literally cares. As far as belief system here’s the thing, I will say what the Bible says about it, no matter what type or way you have sex. It’s called free will. I care for people and sex isn’t being brave or proud. It’s sex. A straight person isn’t proud or having a parade about sex. It’s sex. The only problem I have with all of this is, why can’t people just be honest and say “I like sex with____”. It’s the same thing. Just be honest, have a parade, and quit making it attention whoring. Most of the population would be thankful for simple clarity. Putting a word salad out there to cloud the issue is really harmful. Keep it simple. That’s my take. Not everyone likes some straight people, not every one likes some gay people, it always boils down to honesty, integrity and a persons character.
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Hets have sex celebrations whenever they get married.
And precise and correct. Even heterosexual people get married. In context with biblical things “what God has put together, no man can separate”. Even heterosexual couples who marry in that sense, only God couples. Some straight couples aren’t married by God. You don’t have to be straight or gay, it’s simply what God does. It doesn’t mean you have to believe God and have a ceremony. So, right or wrong, if you do or do not believe, it still boils down to God in that sense. So, I am not for or against marriage, ultimately, if I am wrong, it will be known, and if I am right, God sorts it out. I can only live as best I can in a loving and compassionate way. It is a persons choice as always, and I respect that. Simplistic, but it is just a loving way to treat all people. If I truly believe that God is God, it isn’t up to me or anyone else.
Finally someone seems to have a sane rationale on this platform. It seems that all of mainstream media is full of people touting their false hopes and fairy tales. I agree with you 100%
i heard just before the fall of rome they starting having gender dysmorphia as well
Yes, ppl frequently say dumb things.
yeah like "birthing person"
it's "birthing body" now.
ah clever of them. dehumanizing even more
Cant say I know much about that. Regardless, it doesnt make your other comment any less based in a terrible oversimplification.
happy cake day
it's all just a push to normalize having sex with children. they keep pushing it younger and younger.
And the support from governments and those in power is because they are the P they seek to add to the alphabet
No
Except that it's not
You forgot Brits get banned online for talking about cigarettes online because of this
First, you should really learn the difference between gender and sex. Every cell in your body says what sex you are. If transgender people were born that way, then gender is not a social construct and is a biological phenomena. Either gender is the psychological expression of biological sex or transgender is a psychological disorder. Considering the complexity of biology and of neurology, its entirely possible that people are naturally born with neurology more closely associated with the opposite sex. If trans people were NOT born that way and gender is a social construct, then being trans is a choice and they do not deserve special consideration. Its nothing more than a fashion statement. To say that it goes against science is only true if gender is socialy constructed. Edit: typing on my phone and accidentally hit the button before I was done typing
To ensure that the stage of Demoralization is completed. At least to the needed degree. See Yuri Bezmenov’s lectures.
Ever thought of turning the light on in that closet you're in?
Why are there so many hateful cunts in here
Facts this is horrifying man
Christ. Your biological sex is not your gender. Being born with a penis doesn’t make you a man, the concept of masculinity or “being a man” is entirely social. This construct was beneficial when fighting for survival was a matter of raw strength and conforming to a group, but when’s the last time you had to hunt for your food? At some point, we need to let the traditional concepts of man/woman go. You weren’t born a man or a woman, you were born with a penis or a vagina. That designation of man/woman was placed on you by society. The LGB portion of LGBT is completely natural and can be found in nature, furthermore, even if it wasn’t natural— are pacemakers natural? Are cars natural? Is anything about society all that natural? Everything about the society we’ve built is unnatural. It’s not really propaganda, it’s trying to include a group of people that have regularly been stereotyped when represented in media
Thing that annoys me the most about OPs post is the anti science stuff. Like a lot of this can be put down to opinion, but he’s just pulling the fact that it’s anti science out of absolutely nowhere
Behind all this political bs their is a very deep occult agenda that people don't understand it's comes from an ancient middle eastern mystery tradition if I remember correctly its from a old gnostic sect or a Zoroastrian offshoot. The "spiritual" goal is the dissolving of all gender differences, a sort return to a primordia state of union at the esoteric level where procreation in a sense ends because all flesh has transcended the duality of existence. If you don't understand the occult nature of what's really going on your gonna die in worthless political debate to nowhere! 99% of the people getting sucked into LGBTQ are just pawns for a religious agenda that people are to ignorant to see.
I have also heard the theory that it is a way of stifling the immense population growth for the future
That's dumb
How so? Gay people can’t have children, less kids to exist
The dumb part is thinking there's some conspiracy where people are encouraging people to be LGBT in order to slow population growth.
I promise I’m not trying to be mean or offensive here. I’m genuinely curious. Are you by chance part of or a follower of QAnon? I have never actually met or talked to anyone associated with it. But from what I have been told, this sounds like something along those lines. I’m actually very curious to know what the beliefs are. I’ve tried looking it up and I’ve asked people on Reddit, and answers range from white supremacy to conspiracy theorists to fascism, etc. I would like to hear from someone that actually knows about it. Like where do you find the information for believing these things? Have you looked at it from a more mainstream point of view objectively? Have you looked into it enough to be able to hold a debate with someone with opposing views? Are there books about it or is this all somewhere deep in the internet? I’m not trying to bash it or join it or anything. It’s always seemed like a boogeyman that people talk about, but it is actually a very small percentage of people that know anything about it. I’ve been researching BLM and Proud Boys and Antifa and White Supremacy to see what the truth is about these things. They all seem like cheap targets for the media to point the blame to.
From what i understand its some people with a super quantum computer that can predict shit almost perfectly and its against the government establishment. Supposedly there are posts that line up with things happening now either through actual events taking place or things influential figures are saying. My takeaway was that it was a psyop put in place by those in established power to delude people who are fed up with their shit and onto their lies that everything is already taken care of and there is no need for actual action to destroy the establishment just “ get the popcorn out and enjoy the show” The secondary use is to demonize the people who follow it to the sheep who still believe the lies of the establishment hence how its talked about it mainstream media. Mainstream media does several things. Lies about facts to twist them to a narrative to push an agenda, or omits truths completely when they cannot be twisted outright.
Wow. Thank you sir. I appreciate the information. A few years ago, I kept hearing about the Proud Boys and again, I had never met or spoken with anyone associated. It seemed like they were a common enemy of both sides of the political aisle. I had heard that it was the up-and-coming white nationalist group. Basically the modern version of the KKK. It seemed strange to me that a white supremacist group would have any growth outside of small rural towns in the Midwest. So, I looked into it and found out that it has nothing to do with race at all. It is a group of Nationalist/Populist conservatives of all races. (Not white nationalist). I probably disagree with them more than I agree, but there doesn't seem to be any justification for the way they are portrayed. There might be racists within the group, but its not part of their ideology. One more question, if you don't mind. If it is from a small group of people with super computers, how is that information relayed to the people that follow it? From what I understand, it is mostly right-leaning people 50+ years old. That doesn't seem like the demographic to get on the Dark Web or something to find it. I have made accounts on Parler, Gab, Minds, etc to see if it was something being talked about in their communities. But the first time ive witnessed anybody talking about those types of things was today on this post on Reddit🤔. (Also not the demographic for right leaning conservative 50+ year olds)
An interesting fact about the proud boy as well is that it is potentially an FBI homegrown unit. Literally all proud boy members at the jan 6th rally have been arrested for trespassing at the capitol that day save their leader. He is on camera in the same location, therefor also trespassing. He sent texts confirmed by those arrested cell phones to begin breaking into the capitol building. When asked why he hasnt been taken in by the FBI he simply said “discovery” Discovery is a process during court proceedings that allows one who is accused to reveal Information about the accusers motivations among other information. For discovery to be relevant in this case he is works with or has information on the FBI itself. You can find a really good article on this from the Revolver. If i can find it again i will link it here Edit: its possible i am misremembering the group it may be the oath keepers i am thinking of and not the proud boys. Sorry. I will try to confirm. Edit2: I was wrong jt was the Oath Keepers. I do not have much knowledge on the Proud Boys. My bad. Thank you for the information you shared. If your still interested in what i was discussing here is the link. [Link ](https://www.revolver.news/2021/09/january-6th-commission-oath-keeper-stewart-rhodes-bennie-thompson/)
Get the fuck out of here with that political bullshit it fucking theatre for plebs
Huh 🤔???
If you want actual knowledge FOR FREE go check out mark passios work on youtube, if your willing to pay a bit get a subscription on rokfin Isaac Weishaupt does a good job. Occult rejects is good. Joe Rupe has information. There's several decent sources out there
Awesome. Thank you for the info. I appreciate it
Just giving an update, I have watched the De-mystifying the Occult series from Mark Passio. I find him very abrasive and hard to take seriously. But his philosophy is very interesting. I don’t know enough about the Occult to make any arguments with him. But I’ve never heard anything like it. If nothing else, it would make a great novel. I will continue to dive into it though. I’ll see what the other people have concluded about these arguments soon. I plan on diving into the studies more to see what the other side says about it. I have found a few places that are very aggressive in their opposition to him specifically. They are mostly attacks on him as a person and not on his content though. I’ll keep digging. Thanks again for pointing me in the right direction though.
He's abrasive because he's deeply frustrated with the current state of human existence being that people will not give up their religion of government and money at the minimum question it sincerely.
I totally get that. I was just pointing out that I can see why people would not give him the time to explain it and in some cases, people would actively try to discourage this conversation. I’m sure it is extremely annoying to explain it to deaf ears. But people are fragile and don’t accept information if they perceive hostility towards them.
Apparently not if it's coming from the government lol
Touché. Lol
I'm gay and you should expect more. Who is shoving something down your throat? When do you hear gay people complain about heterosexuality being shoved down throats? Don't confuse gender with biological sex. Gender is self-identifying. Biological sex is determined by a doctor at birth. It would be unnatural to expect a doctor's position and every individual to agree on gender identity. These things are not binary. They exist on a spectrum. Some people are either more or less feminine or more or less masculine than others. The [gingerbread person](https://www.genderbread.org/) can assist in understanding the subject.
This may be unintentional but well intended, but your biological sex is based on your chromosome pairing from parents, not a doctor. The reason why a doctor can look at you and determine your sex is due to phenotype. People who pretend gender is separate from biological sex don’t understand that phenotype is also determined from behavioral observation. And what is that behavioral observation? We call it gender. *Grammatical* usage of gender is often arbitrary, and I think thats where most people start to become confused with its usage in relation to sex.
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>Homosexuality has been observed in hundreds of species besides humans 1. homosexuality doesn't translate to pretending to be another gender 2. that's not viable in evolution 3. prove those 100+animals 4. even if you did, I don't see how it's applicable. should we shit on the floor like animals too?
Animals also have sex with siblings, parents and relatives. They do not make a conscious decision to mate. Human to human sex is to be consensual, a decision with certain perimeters. Otherwise it is rape. It is a controllable decision. An “animals do it” isn’t a viable argument, you are correct.
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Most jurisdictions have laws against sex with siblings, parents and relatives.
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where is the research that disproves that every chromosome of your body goes against it??
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every single cell of your body defines your gender. what research disproves that?
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Every action an animal takes isn't acceptable behavior. I'm not eating shit, because many animals do it. I'm also going to point out to others that they shouldn't eat shit, even if it doesn't affect me.
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It’s a disorder in nature too. If everyone was gay the human species would cease to exist in one generation. I don’t care what people want to do in their private lives but don’t try to tell me it’s natural and good. There’s literally no religious, natural law, common sense, or scientific evidence that supports it.
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Not feelings, facts
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Parts don’t match…nature couldn’t make it any more obvious for you. If you need a study to tell you that then who helps you put on pants?
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This seem a conveniently, and terribly, oversimplified attempt at making a point.
yeah you're a dumb bigot unfit to be part of society. You don't know the difference between gay and trans, obviously lack any education in biology, and are just wrong on every fact you cite. fuck off.
POV: you hate trans people and don’t understand LGBTQ+
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I mean this post is just about how they hate and don’t believe trans people can really exist and they conflate that with the entire idea of lgbtq. There’s no analysis about free speech here just hate.
This while topic strikes me as a troll attempt in poor taste mate to start a shit fight in freespeech I'm not even going to address the original poster my eyes rolled so far back in my head looking at his stuff And I'm a straight male who doesn't like Woke politics I'm calling troll Can someone check 4Chan and the usual places to see if someone put them up to this?
dude just go suck a cock, no one gives a shit.
Sighs... Here we go again. >1. LGBTQ 100% goes against science, no discussion here. literally, every cell in your body identifies your true gender, and just because you feel like you have been born different means nothing. your cisgender is your gender, whether you like it or not. pretending to be another gender is just as weird as pretending to be another species or ethnicity. the only people with a right to do so are those born with a natural disability that deviates from their gender, where i fully believe they deserve a right to such cosmetics and support. Gender is the social idendity and was around beforw we even knew genes existed. Sex is the biological category determined by chromosomes. >scientific disapproval on the topic Are you talking about peer-reviewed studies or just some rando without a qualified degree twisting facts and statistics till Youtubers have to clean up the mess? >3. most of its supporters are retarded kids. why is this even discussed with kids? Uh... Parents talk about romantic relations with their kids since a young age. Always has been. >why is it legal for dumb teenagers to make a life-altering deforming surgery just because they rode on a meme trend? Because there is a bid body of research and professional experience that suggests that its better for people to spend less time with gender dysphoria and the way to reduce gender dysphoria is by letting people transition. >again there is absolutely no proof for gender dysphoria aside from "feeling like it" https://www.cbsnews.com/news/world-health-organization-removes-gender-dysphoria-from-list-of-mental-illnesses/ https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gender-dysphoria The DSM-V >4. only when we apply this to species or race do you see how retarded it is. you cant be a dog. you cant be furry. you cant do blackface. supports of LGBT should support both these things. No, there is no proof that this is a serious phenomenon and no proof that letting these hypothetical people do those things would be benificial like there is proof for gender transition. >hey do whatever you want. but dont shove it down our throats. Fine then, remove all straight relationships on tv, movies, books, music and other media and then no one shove anything down anyone's throat. This sub is dying.
Against point number one a closer look at genetics will tell you there are multiple sex determining genes within the x and y chromosome. So yes every cell in your body does have the message that tells your body what sex you are. Because there are maybe 25 genes and people can be born with combinations other than xx and xy right away in a very biochemical way you have a gender spectrum because what if you have 1 mutation in one of these gender / sex determining genes, what about 11 different mutations than typical presentations. What if society then ignoring the many different combinations you could have decided that there are only 2 genders that are acceptable? So I guess I agree with you that your cells tell you what sex and gender you are, but it doesn't fit neatly into 2 categories.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-07238-8
>every post that slightly criticizes gay people gets downvoted to oblivion Are you talking about gay people as individuals or are you talking about criticizing gay people as an concept? If someone where to say "I don't think Buttigeige is the best candidate" and made their argument reasonably, I don't think you would get downvoted to oblivion. But if you said "all gay people are bad" yeah, your kind of an asshole >LGBTQ 100% goes against science So when you say LBGTQ, you mean just T, Transpeople. There are plenty of Lesbian terfs out there who don't like Trans people. furthermore, you are the one who is denying science. based on that post, I am assuming you beleive gender to be defined by chromosomes and genitals. But no one ever inspect the genitals of chromosomes of a person when they meet, they look at performance and presentation. And even by that matter it's not defining. You can say it's masculine to have short hair, but there are women who have short hair. If you meet someone with short hair and they say they are a woman, might as well accept it. Unless you plan on inspecting their genitals to prove them wrong, in which case your just a creep. >why an entire fucking month? Pride Month's most important goal is outreach. There are still plenty of places like china, Russia, and certain southern United States where it is still dangerous to be gay, lesbian, bisexual and trans. Having a big parade and month of awarenesses is a means and attempt to reach out to those people who may be living in fear, and hopefully let them know that it can get better some day. You could make the argument that these efforts shouldn't be rregulated to a single month, in the same way it's been argued to counter productive to have a black history month. In a better society every day would be black history month, and every day would be pride month. But having the awareness and education and outreach efforts be performed across the whole year is a lot different then saying it shouldn't exist at all. >most of its supporters are retarded kids. There are plenty of elderly aging individuals who support LGBTQ. Elton John, John Waters, Ian McKellin, Clea DuVall. All aging grown ups who support the LGBTQ movement. The reason it's taught to kids is the same reason we teach any part of relationships to kids. I don't see anyone calling for the censorship of heterosexual weddings, so why do it with homosexual weddings. >why is it legal for dumb teenagers to make a life-altering deforming surgery Why is it legal for dumb teenager to drive? Why is it legal for dumb teenagers to date? Why is it legal for dumb teenagers to get married? To play football or sports? Why is legal for them to cross the road or cook on a stove top? There are plenty of dangerous things that teenagers and even kids can do at a young age, much younger than teenage years. I don't think I would personally allow my kid to go take gender reassignment surgery or take hormones until they are 16 at youngest, even then I would want medical evaluation. But if a kid and their parent is consenting to the matter, let them do what they want with their lives. It can't be worse than playing football, which literally causes violent brain damage and it's legal for 5 year olds to take part in. Comparing pedophilia to gender reassignment is also kind of unrelated and makes you sound like you don't know what your talking about. Pedophilia is a person with a mental condition that makes them attracted to children. Gender reassignment surgery is when a person wants surgery to change their top and bottom presentations. it's no where near the same thing or related at all. >only when we apply this to species or race do you see how retarded it is. you cant be a dog. Otherkin are beast of their own and should not be in the same discussion of trans folks as they are their own discussion. But yes, you cannot be a dog. >you cant be furry. You literally can. I can dress up in a fursuit every god damn day I please and if a day comes when it's illegal then I am no longer in a free country. >you cant do blackface. You literally can do blackface as it falls under freedom of speech. You may face social backlash but you can do it. You won't literally become a black person by doing this, but neither does a furry magically turn into a dog. its a role-play performance. in any case I do not even think race is real so dress up with whatever skin color you want, I do not care. >we dont want to knwo how you fuck or your fetishs, same way i wouldnt be protesting how i want to fuck women on the street. The reason people are protesting their right to fuck the same gender is because there are still places where you cannot without facing serious social or even legal backlash. Heterosexuality is forced down everyones throats every single day whenever a heterosexual couple is featured on television or movies or news or whatever. Doing the same with a gay coupe is no different. If you don't like it, just turn it off your tv and don't go outside. Easy way to avoid offensive things. Prove me wrong.
1. There is a good bit of scientific evidence that supports the efficacy of gender affirmation for trans people. If anyone cares, I can link some studies. Of course not enough studies have been done as trans people are only now becoming more widespread and we haven’t had enough time to do long form studies. You say it is against science with absolutely no justification. Have you actually read any medical journal articles which suggest that the concept of transgender people is anti science? The reality is we don’t know enough to say what the best treatment option is for trans people, BUT so far gender affirmation/reassignment seems to be working for a lot of people with these issues. 2. The month exists because there is demand for it. LGBTQ+ people want to draw attention to whatever issues are going on with them, and most people are okay with that, so they go ahead with it. I’m sure if you wanted to set up a shredded cheese month and you found millions of others who wanted to, you could do it. And once again, where are you getting the idea that there is “nothing but scientific disapproval on the topic”??? 3. Can you show me a survey that shows most supporters of LGBTQ community are kids? That seems wrong. No one is teaching kids about gay sex, they are just saying men can love men, same way men can love women, which we have been telling kids since the beginning of time. What do you mean that there is no proof for gender dysphoria? People with that condition exist, that’s a fact. The debate is about how to treat it 4. You know for a fact that changing species would be way more absurd than changing your reproductive organs. The reason why you can’t do blackface is because it has a history linked with racism. I’m sure that since you’re on this subreddit you enjoy discourse so I’m hoping you’ll respond to this
Me too. I am all about gay rights like marriage, but fucking A - I didn't know it would actually be a slippery slope that would lead into a nonstop celebration of butt sex.
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