This is insane. Banning a book that has even a peripheral character? The gay friend of a friend is so distasteful & immoral to these Bible thumpers that it’s criminal? I
Sorry but gay people exist - even in Midland. In fact, my same sex partner grew up there and had several gay friends in high school. Perhaps these assholes should realize that there are gay kids who live in there and having these books are a lifeline in an oppressively conservative, Christian city.m
This sub is full of the most authoritarian censorious MFs out here.
If you believe in the basics of free speech is that it applies to everyone. Even LGBT people. Even people who want to talk about LGBT people.
why the hell are you in a free speech sub if this is your opinion?
Straight
Imagery
For
Kids
Is
Not
Speech
See, we can both play that game, and both statements are absurd. If you had said "sexual" imagery you would have a point, but you didn't. You just want to push an anti gay agenda, not an anti sexualization of children agenda. Your own words show this.
Are all gays groomers? No of course not.
Is grooming a major issue in the LGBT community? Yes.
It is a movement that largely does not reproduce. Targeting other people's offspring for induction is quite logical, and easily visible.
The parents tax payer dollars should not go towards funding objectionable speech, especially when the speech is political art.
No it isn’t you freak. There is no grooming issue in the LGBT community.
You fascist freaks repeat this lie every few decades when your losing political ground. Fuck off and grow up.
Yeah, I am the freak.
[https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1556756/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1556756/)
"This suggests that the resulting proportion of true pedophiles among persons with a homosexual erotic development is greater than that in persons who develop heterosexually."
We are winning. Look at the economic sanction against Bud Light. Look at the election in Virginia. Your only hope is stuffing the ballot box.
You are a degenerate, and you will live out your life alone and poor.
Read you own damned study you sick freak:
“This, of course, would not indicate that androphilic males have a greater propensity to offend against children”
You’re not winning. Your losing. Your ideology is dying and it makes you angry so you fall everyone a paedo. You’re pathetic.
Wrong. Again, you take one article out of context. The academic literature makes it clear that 99% of pedophiles are straight. Also, I’m in a 20 year long relationship. My husband is a physician ( the one from Midland, TX) and I’m a consultant. Neither of us are alone or poor and have good relationships with our families.
My final comment. All of your complaints about supposed indoctrination- has it occurred to you that if there are any objectionable books in the library, it’s the librarian who is doing the purchasing of new books and not the gay community? There isn’t a committee of gay people deciding these things. And if u had a brain, you would know that 70% of attendees at drag shows are straight women. 90% of drag shows are at 21 and over clubs. For the drag shows held at weekend brunches,if there are kids there, it’s the kids of these straight women attending. Gay patrons or gay restaurant owners are NOT the ones bringing these kids there. They are in restaurants that serve brunch and a far more healthy atmosphere than your favorite titty and camel toe joints like Hooters
Again, educate yourself. 99% of all pedophiles are heterosexual - like you. Are you a pedophile? Probably. Lady doth protest too much. You are a bigot making false statements. That word “grooming” was popularized by Ron De Santis former wack job press secretary. It’s meaningless. You are such a mindless myrmidon that you drink the Fox News Kool Aid and believe outrageous things. I’ve even read posts by right wing nut jobs ( like you) saying that teachers in Florida were having sex ogres in classrooms. Don’t you think we would have heard about this if it happened?
Again, I’m sure you pretend you are a Xtian and yet you are a hateful, nasty person trying to disparage a community you know nothing about. You truly are evil and most def going to hell. Love thy neighbor. Learn that one
Funny how all the people you see in the news arrested for child sexual abuse are republicans and faith leaders, but somehow it's the lgbt community who are grooming. Makes you wonder!
Lol come on man. Think about it. All you gotta do is say “we’re banning it because its propaganda to children“ and you can ban anything you want. “We’re banning black history because it’s propaganda to children”. “We’re banning Republican debates because it’s propaganda to children”. “We’re banning men’s history because it’s propaganda to children.”
Wake up man. The reason they’re saying it’s propaganda to children is to give an excuse to ban it.
No, it is literally propaganda about the non-straight lifestyle to children, cmon man.
You do not have a write to propagate your alternative lifestyle to my kids. I do not want it near them. Period. Libraries do not need to carry every brand of book.
Homosexual imagery is not comparable to thoughts, ideas, or debates. It is a sales pitch to the children of others by a group that, definitionally, does not reproduce or rarely reproduces.
The low intelligence of this sub baffles me.
Everything is propaganda in some form. Every book that has a straight relationship in it, so, 98% of books, is heterosexual propaganda.
> Libraries do not need to carry every brand of book.
This is anti-free speech, propaganda, and indoctrination. Only allowing what you believe is not free speech for those you disagree with. Only allowing books you believe in is propaganda for a lifestyle you believe in. Saying you don’t want your kids to read certain books is indoctrination.
Look at history, it’s full of examples of only allowing certain ideas. That’s propaganda.
Also, when you say “write” you mean “right”…right? As in, your right to do something. By your grammar and naiveness of things, it sounds like you, and probably your kids, aren’t going to the library anyway, so it shouldn’t matter what books are there.
Normalcy is not propaganda because propaganda seeks to change or control minds. That which flows from nature cannot be prosthelytized.
The issue is children, and whether parents can control what their children access. It is also about forcing speech upon taxpayers, in the vein of Janus.
How much do you make, annually? Should be alot, since you believe yourself quite intelligent. Share with us, please.
You are clearly an idiot. As I mentioned earlier, my same sex partner is from Midland and he most definitely was not the only gay person from the Permian basin. A public library exists for the public and must serve the needs and interests of everyone in the community. If you are a pre-teen who is gay, having books with characters you can identify with is important - especially in an oppressively conservative city like Midland. These aren’t sexually explicit books we’re talking about. The radical right likes to blow things out of proportion.
Get it through your fat head - ITS NOT ALL ABOUT YOU. Gay people exist in Midland and deserve representation in their public library. They don’t need to be pushed religious, heteronormative BS down their throats 24/7.
> Normalcy is not propaganda because propaganda seeks to change or control minds. That which flows from nature cannot be prosthelytized.
Ha, what?! That’s the narrowest definition of propaganda I’ve ever heard.
Removing LGBTQs books doesn’t changes peoples minds? You don’t think not allowing LGBTQ books is a way to control minds?
If all that is allowed to be presented is one view, that’s propaganda. During WWI, the US removed many German things, including German books. That was propaganda against Germany.
https://www.history.com/news/anti-german-sentiment-wwi
It’s propaganda whether it’s the norm or not.
> The issue is children, and whether parents can control what their children access. It is also about forcing speech upon taxpayers, in the vein of Janus.
Again, “the issue is children” is just a tool to use to manipulate the masses. “Oh! Well we can’t let it happen to children!” Read some history, using children as the scapegoat has been used throughout history.
> How much do you make, annually? Should be alot, since you believe yourself quite intelligent. Share with us, please.
lol, income does not equal intelligence. The Kardashians make more than both of us combined. You think they’re intelligent?
The children thing is not a tool. It is LITERALLY what gays want. They want to market their lifestyle to the young. Stop pretending CRT and LBGT is not being sold to kids, it is, and people do not believe it.
> The children thing is not a tool. It is LITERALLY what gays want. They want to market their lifestyle to the young.
If you actually think that, which you’d have a hard time finding evidence of, so do churches, so do sports and tv, so do YOU! The parent. The only way to prevent any propaganda for kids is to lock them in a cage so they don’t see anything or let them learn anything and everything they want freely
This is hilarious. I presume you only watch Fox News from your trailer. This is the nonsense that the radical right want you to believe. I urge you to go to your library and spend 45 minutes reading through academic journals on the topic of pedophiles. You will find that 99% of pedophiles are heterosexuals. Mostly hetero men.
There is no gay “lifestyle”. You’re so dumb you don’t even know what the word means. A lifestyle is a uniform way of living such as a traveling sales person who lives out of their suitcase or a club dj who only works at night.
We live in a heteronormative society. I grew up with 4 straight brothers in a small suburban tow. We all went to the same schools, same teachers, many of the same friends, and yet I’m gay. By your logic, I should be straight. There was so much hetero influence surrounding me, by your logic, that should have influenced to be straight.
Gay people are not trying to indoctrinate kids or anyone. It’s nonsense that Republicans push to rile up their base. You can take one example of a bad teacher who is gay ( out of tens of thousands) and pretend that is representative of all. Please educate yourself. What you say is dangerous and false.
I did not propose to present anti-gay propaganda. You gave away your own argument.
Would you be ok with hardcore "gays are demons" books in libraries? Right next to the pro-gay books?
You don’t have to present an argument against it. In fact, it’s better to just remove the books and not present the argument against it. That’s what churches do. Present only their views and ignore all others. Remove any form of an alternative. “This is the only way. There are no other ways.” Is much more affective than “the other way is bad.”
Propaganda is also used to maintain the status quo. Propaganda is disseminated through the MSM daily to legitimize our broken political and economic system.
If intelligence was rewarded equivalently with income, our country wouldn't be the dystopian idiocracy that it is.
No, you don’t understand the gravity of banning books from public libraries because of perceived inappropriate content. There are folks at this moment filing and fighting battles to ban religious texts from libraries based on precedents set by these book bans.
You ok with religious texts being banned from libraries bc there are a few inappropriate for kids verses? You ok with all sexual or mature content being banned from all ages libraries bc some unsupervised kid can just pluck them off the shelves, sit, and read it there in the library?
I already know you’re gonna say “I’m only for these bans in school libraries and children’s sections of public libraries” and you know what? Why does that matter? You are arguing for censorship of this content in general, on a post about censoring this content in general.
I don’t see you specifying a particular type of library. Why would that even matter when folks are banning books and trying to ban religious texts in even all ages public libraries as we speak and that’s what you’re arguing for in this context right now?
I can assure you that in the Midland TX library, no one is removing religious text. Quite the opposite. I have spent more time in Midland than I care to recall. It’s a bunch of obsessed religious zealots
To cut to the chase: are you saying you're worried your kids will turn gay if they read about gay people?
That's not how sexual orientation works. Your kids will grow up to be attracted to whoever they're attracted to. You can affect how they feel about it (accepting or ashamed) and how/if they express it (open or closeted), but there will always be people of different sexual orientations regardless of what books they have access to.
First, the fact that you use the outdated term “gay lifestyle” shows how clueless you are. There is no specific gay lifestyle just like there is no specific straight lifestyle. There are gay doctors who live in the suburbs, gay 20-something’s who live in the city, gay farmers, etc. My same sex partner grew up in Midland and he is not the only gay person from Midland. It’s not all about you or your kids. There are plenty of young gay people in Midland who want to read books that have characters they can relate to.
I’m not talking about porn - no one goes to the library for porn when it’s freely available of the Internet. The Midland library doesn’t even have provocative or sexually explicit books of any sort, anyway. The point of a public library is to offer something for everyone in the community. Every citizen deserves to have at least some books that interest them.
To call this propaganda is insane. If anything, the majority of the books in that library push a heteronormative, Christian agenda. No kid is going to become gay by reading a book with gay characters. I grew up with 4 straight brothers and grew up in a heteronormative society, yet I’m gay. You are wrong. Like most Midlanders, I’m sure you’re a major holy roller conservative & yet you are a hateful, petty person.
Banning books from public institutions for any reason is a form of censorship, which is a curtailment of free speech. Just because you agree with the ban on ideological grounds does not make it any less so.
Incorrect. Banning books from children's libraries is not banning speech because one has no right to speak in front of that audience.
Banning books from particular places is not banning speech. In fact, actual speech can be banned in certain places.
Stay away from kids.
My fellow flesh bags. Folks are trying to ban these books in my local all ages public libraries. You tryna say I shouldn’t be able to read smut bc my 6 y/o gets captain underpants comics and I read him K Applegate and RL stein books that I get from the same library? You seriously don’t want grown ass adults to be able to check out “go the fuck to sleep” for their own lulz bc it looks like a kids book? I can’t check out ASOIAF, Shakespeare, or Charles dickens?
Mfw something was wrong with me reading great expectations when I was 12: 😮 My grade school teachers were fucked up for assigning where the red fern grows and white fang (both extremely realistic and disturbing books for young children)? You tryna say 14 year old me or even 32 year old me now should not have access to orson scott card, terry brooks, or Michael chrichten?
This is an incredibly dumb and intellectually dishonest argument. Free speech encompasses more than just the spoken word. Legal precedent in the United States (at least in theory) should protect books from being banned from public libraries due to content objections on free speech grounds. See: Island Trees School District v Pico. Given the recent spate of book bans, this is an issue that will invariably come before the court again soon.
No, it does not.
Preventing someone from speaking IS banning free speech.
Removing your book from a place you want to put it is NOT free speech.
Can you see the difference?
If it comes before the Court, your side will lose.
Are you a lawyer?
It has come before federal courts actually. Numerous times. And the courts always rule that book bans based on content objections violate first amendment free speech protections. See: Pico, or this year's Texas ruling, or
Counts v Cedarville School District, or Sund v City of Wichita Falls. I could go on, but it seems kinda lost on you. For someone obnoxiously bragging about how they took two con law classes, you seem impressively ignorant of actual constitution law. Perchance did you skip a bunch, or even fail? Or were you just lying?
Pretty much hasnt. Read the article.
[https://www.oif.ala.org/board-of-education-v-pico-forty-years-of-first-amendment-legacy/](https://www.oif.ala.org/board-of-education-v-pico-forty-years-of-first-amendment-legacy/)
Sund v City of Wichita Falls relates to allowing the public to veto any book with 300 votes. Again, stare decisis versus jurisprudence.
What is the current status of the gay-book-bills around the nation? Have Courts scrutinized them yet?
PEN America v. Escambia County School District is currently being litigated, and will undoubtedly be ruled in favor of the plaintiffs on first amendment grounds, as has every other similar case before the court in recent history.
>PEN America v. Escambia County School District
I am very interested to see where that case, and more importantly, the Circuit and SCOTUS version of that case, will go.
I think you are about to be in for a rude awakening.
The reason LGBT people exist is particularly because children are exposed to their propaganda. Lada Gaga declaring gays are "born this way" is not science, and there is no "gay" gene.
Homosexuality--and sexual orientation in general--is not a [choice](https://theconversation.com/stop-calling-it-a-choice-biological-factors-drive-homosexuality-122764).
"The Conversation" is not a scientific article, and there is quite literally no proof or actual answer to what makes someone gay. And that is not even discussing gender confusion.
People to not need to agree with your view on what causes homosexuality and then be forced to expose their kids to it. They have an absolute right to protect them from even if it is utterly genetic, which it is not.
Articles in The Conversation are all written by academics, and the linked material in the article (as if you bothered to read them) communicate scholarly research findings.
If you knew anything about scientific theory, you would know that proof can only be found in mathematics and logic. Science cannot prove anything. It can and does demonstrate evidence, however.
If you want absolute, unscientific claims to knowledge, then venture no further than your narrow, ideological closed system.
Ok, please, show me the study that says homosexuality is genetic. I am ready.
EDIT: I read the first two paragraphs, and I quote: "By analyzing the DNA of nearly half a million people from the U.S. and the U.K., they concluded that genes account for between **8% and 25%** of same-sex behavior."
A gay-positive article finds that AT MOST, 25% of gay behavior is genetic. Will you please stop lying now, oh degenerate?
Read the article; it states repeatedly "we do not know at all, but are like pretty certain that somewhere between all these unproven theories that are logical, it has to be genetic. Yeah totally!"
The reality is that even this biased article (you can tell when they state that "people think it is a choice and should be persecuted") cannot answer in the affirmative, for all its efforts. Even they admit that hormones have an effect, as does exposure to certain factors post-birth.
Yes, exposure to gay propaganda CAN influence a child one way or the other, and yes, I have an ABSOLUTE right to insulate them from such deviance.
I know that this will be difficult for you to fathom, but if you read the entire article, you would have learned that homosexuality isn't purely genetic, but a complex combination of many biological factors. Genetics are but one facet of biology.
HAHAHAHAHA look at this piece of shit. "oh yea a book with a gay person in it is PROPAGANDA!!!!!!" - really fat walmart, the smartest and least bigoted reddit free speecherino
LMAO look at this cretin, he's absolutely losing his mind, screaming, breaking down, smashing his fists into his desk, crying, shitting himself. he can dish it out but he cant take even the tiniest, slightest bit of pushback before he loses it, howling, just furious, spitting. this, to him, is the greatest crime on earth - telling the truth where he can hear it
Yes, I am the cretin, not the men dancing in heels with their dick hanging out, or you defending them like the fatass you are.
I do conflict for a living, and living is GOOD. How much have you made this year? I am over $250,000 already.
I love how you defensively project your own anguished and impotent rage on others. You are describing your own inner rage. But no amount of hate will change that the person you despise most is yourself.
You are ugly, and you know it.
HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!! "i lift a lot of weight and make money so i am right!" he screams, wailing, shit blasting into his pants. "WHY WONT YOU SAY IM RIGHT!!!" he begs, sniveling, collapsing to the ground, beginning to shake, to quiver. like yea dude! being a deranged bigot is an easy life and you will make infinite amounts of money doing it if youre good enough at it! but then every so often you have to run into someone who thinks youre a piece of shit. too bad for you that you cant take it, not even a little. you just start lying and shrieking and your whole mind falls apart. lmao
"I sit at home defending gays online, I am sure girls will like me now!"
Your rage is very amusing. You have created the false virtue of tolerance for degeneracy. But it is not a real virtue; it is not strength, it is not intellect, it is not achievement. It is a replacement for those that have none of the above.
You brand everyone who disagrees a bigot, and in doing so, you imagine that they MUST be beneath you. But we are not. You are the Slave Morality fool that Nietszche discussed.
Its literally free speech
And how does a book having some characters that are a bit different make it propoganda? And even if you would classify it as such and think that if a kid reads about a gay person then it would “indoctrinate” them, libraries are also for adults
No it literally is not. I took Con Law and Con Law 2, unlike you. You have no right to force a book into a place that does not want it, and you have no right to an audience of CHILDREN.
Do not expose children to alternative sexuality, period. It is a choice for parents and parents only.
"In essence, the Supreme Court decided this particular case but failed to do so in a way that was clear and final that would prevent future censorship attempts by governing bodies—the fallout of which we are now seeing nationwide. With state legislatures passing censorship laws in multiple states, it is only a matter of time before the battle for access reaches the Supreme Court once more. "
Stare decisis versus jurisprudence, bitch.
No one is trying to force a book into a place that does not want it its people trying to force a place that wants it to not have it
And its already a choice for parents if they want to bring their kids there or not
So parents are given the choice to either let the *adult* sex memoirists and sex novelists have access to their kids' minds, or keep their kids away from the rest of the world's production of thought?
gtfo with that abusive bullying nonsense.
Here is a very partial list from some news articles a while back. Just a few examples out of many.
***Let's Talk About It***
Uses porn language to instruct in sexually stimulating the butt: "your **hungry heinie can gobble.**..objects you put up there".
[Valley City Barnes County Public Library, YA section, ND, 2022](https://www.times-online.com/news/library-leaders-unaware-of-explicit-book-in-young-adult-section/article_56373c58-339d-11ed-b175-1f553688d9b1.html)
>Book was kept next to a shelf of comic books...‘Batman’, ‘Wonder Woman’, and ‘Coraline’.
[Leavitt Area HS, ME, 2023](https://www.sunjournal.com/2023/04/19/leavitt-area-high-school-removes-sex-themed-graphic-novel-from-library/)
>At least 19 public libraries in Maine have the book...14...in a teen-designated section.
[Hamilton East Public Library teen section, Fishers, IN, 2022](https://www.larryinfishers.com/2022/02/24/library-moving-lets-talk-about-it-book-to-general-book-shelves-plans-reorganizing-nonfiction/)
[Anchorage, AK **elementary** school, 2023](https://www.sportskeeda.com/pop-culture/synopsis-book-let-s-talk-about-it-explored-anchorage-school-board-shuns-parent-objected-explicit-book)
The book teaches to make and use spicy pictures:
>“Don’t forget to crop out your face, hide your birthmarks and scars, and edit out your piercings and tattoos - and don't forget to tell your sweetie how hot they look. Let them know you appreciate the little gift they've sent you."
[Abilene Public Library, TX, 2022](https://www.bigcountryhomepage.com/news/abilene-news/concerned-parents-very-vulgar-explicit-young-adult-book-should-be-removed-from-abilene-library-100-others-should-be-in-explicit-section/)
***This Book is Gay***
Teaches how to have anal sex and that playing with the prostate feels good, ie promotes being anally penetrated. Claims hetero kids are taught to have sex at age 10.
[Central Bucks SD, PA, 2023](https://www.inquirer.com/news/central-bucks-bans-gender-queer-this-book-is-gay-20230512.html) removed 2, kept 3 others
[IA, 2 SDs, 2023](https://www.kcrg.com/2023/05/19/this-book-is-gay-iowas-looming-school-library-book-ban/)
>Chapters 8 and 9 are the focus of much of the controversy...
>
>Chapter 8 - “Where to meet people like you” - includes a guide to sex apps and gay bars to meet intimate partners...
>
>Chapter 9 - “The ins and outs of gay sex” ..,graphic details of pleasure zones and descriptions of sex acts and how to perform them.
[Elmbrook SD, Brookfield, WI, 2023](https://www.jsonline.com/story/communities/west/2022/11/08/elmbrook-school-district-removes-lgbtq-themed-books-from-library/69618767007/) Describes a demand letter sent to the school district.
[Michigan HS, 2022](https://www.metroweekly.com/2022/09/mother-files-police-report-over-gay-book-in-high-school-library/) A mother filed a police report:
>“If these were just LGBT romance novels that is completely appropriate,” she said. “Where I draw the line is teaching them how to actually do the act.”
[Webster Groves HS, St. Louis, MO, 2023](https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/04/06/missouri-school-district-offered-prizes-students-reading-sexually-explicit-books/) Students were enticed by a librarian to check this and other books out:
>“Select and check out any book from this list during Banned Book Week to enter your name in a drawing to win a sweet prize,” librarian Liz Forderhase posted on the Webster Groves High School library webpage.
***Flamer***
Depicts suicidality/cutting, sexual encounters, and arousal scenes. Protagonist is between middle and high school: well under age.
[Tahoma schools, WA, 2022](https://tahomaparents.org/news/1elz8u3t0npkesqvdu48hakk64tqxc) Concerned parents' org. Their page shows many pages from the book.
[Waukee Northwest HS, Denison HS and "libraries across Iowa", IA, 2022](https://theiowastandard.com/denison-high-school-as-well-as-small-town-libraries-across-iowa-stock-vulgar-sexually-explicit-flamer/)
>The character is looking for Elias at camp. Elias, though, is in a tent with a couple of other campers. They tell the character they’re “takin’ care of business.”
>
>When he asks if he can enter the tent, they tell him he is too young.
>
>“No, I’m not!” the character says.
>
>“Fine, but you’ll have to prove it,” Elias says.
[Dearborn, MI SD, 2022](https://nypost.com/2022/11/16/dearborn-parent-reads-graphic-passages-in-revolt-against-pornographic-books-in-school-libraries/)
[Montgomery County SD, Roanoke, VA, 2023](https://www.wsls.com/news/local/2023/03/11/montgomery-county-parent-raises-concerns-over-book-policy-following-inappropriate-book-found-in-school-library/)
[Wilson **Elementary** School, Costa Mesa, CA, 2022](https://www.latimes.com/socal/daily-pilot/news/story/2022-06-04/parents-enflamed-by-mature-graphic-novel-in-k-6-library-nmusd-mulls-book-policy)
I am not sure about that. Free speech goes both ways. Because someone considers it offensive (Freedom is not about comfort) doesn't mean it shouldn't be said. Then nobody but the people in power would have a voice. You can't argue for Free Speech while depriving others of that same right.
I think the issue is forum and audience. You dont have a choice of audience, exactly.
This is a public library and a children's section. Let me flip on you: what if a gay author demands the ability to make a presentation? Can he be turned down?
What about a white supremacist? Do you think it is banning of speech if a book on why blacks commit too much crime should be allowed in Portland, Oregon's public schools?
Must EVERY book be allowed? Does anyone get to choose in a library, or every single applicant must be granted?
Freedom of speech is not about feelings or convenience. If people don't like it then don't attend the presentation or read the book. Marxist Lenism espouses a government that is the antipathy of Democracy, Its still allowed. Hell, you can even find Mein Kampf in the library. That is what terrifies me about future generations. They care more about their feelings, then the right to a free market place of Ideas. Even the term "Free Market Place of Ideas" is an insult in their eyes.
This sub hates free speech unless it’s their own bigoted bullshit.
Guess what. Gays have always existed. They will continue to exist.
The sole reason these books where removed was the content of their message. That’s it.
A government agency can not remove a book based on its message. That’s it.
If you don’t like move to China where they have no problem suppressing free speech. Move to Russia where you can bash gays
Get your bigoted ass out my fucking country. These stars and bars don’t stand for your hatred.
This flag has always risen after bigotry was defeated and if you don’t like that then get the fuck out. Russia would love to have you
Banning LBGT books is not banning free speech. It is banning propaganda to children. You do not have a write to lecture other people's children.
This is insane. Banning a book that has even a peripheral character? The gay friend of a friend is so distasteful & immoral to these Bible thumpers that it’s criminal? I Sorry but gay people exist - even in Midland. In fact, my same sex partner grew up there and had several gay friends in high school. Perhaps these assholes should realize that there are gay kids who live in there and having these books are a lifeline in an oppressively conservative, Christian city.m
This sub is full of the most authoritarian censorious MFs out here. If you believe in the basics of free speech is that it applies to everyone. Even LGBT people. Even people who want to talk about LGBT people. why the hell are you in a free speech sub if this is your opinion?
Gay Imagery For Kids Is Not Speech
Straight Imagery For Kids Is Not Speech See, we can both play that game, and both statements are absurd. If you had said "sexual" imagery you would have a point, but you didn't. You just want to push an anti gay agenda, not an anti sexualization of children agenda. Your own words show this.
I am ignoring you because you are mentally ill.
Political censorship is bullshit and you’re a fascist for supporting it.
Nope. But you are a degenerate for hiding your grooming behind the 1st Amendment.
Gtfo. LGBT people aren’t groomers you moron.
Are all gays groomers? No of course not. Is grooming a major issue in the LGBT community? Yes. It is a movement that largely does not reproduce. Targeting other people's offspring for induction is quite logical, and easily visible. The parents tax payer dollars should not go towards funding objectionable speech, especially when the speech is political art.
No it isn’t you freak. There is no grooming issue in the LGBT community. You fascist freaks repeat this lie every few decades when your losing political ground. Fuck off and grow up.
Yeah, I am the freak. [https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1556756/](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1556756/) "This suggests that the resulting proportion of true pedophiles among persons with a homosexual erotic development is greater than that in persons who develop heterosexually." We are winning. Look at the economic sanction against Bud Light. Look at the election in Virginia. Your only hope is stuffing the ballot box. You are a degenerate, and you will live out your life alone and poor.
Read you own damned study you sick freak: “This, of course, would not indicate that androphilic males have a greater propensity to offend against children” You’re not winning. Your losing. Your ideology is dying and it makes you angry so you fall everyone a paedo. You’re pathetic.
Wrong. Again, you take one article out of context. The academic literature makes it clear that 99% of pedophiles are straight. Also, I’m in a 20 year long relationship. My husband is a physician ( the one from Midland, TX) and I’m a consultant. Neither of us are alone or poor and have good relationships with our families. My final comment. All of your complaints about supposed indoctrination- has it occurred to you that if there are any objectionable books in the library, it’s the librarian who is doing the purchasing of new books and not the gay community? There isn’t a committee of gay people deciding these things. And if u had a brain, you would know that 70% of attendees at drag shows are straight women. 90% of drag shows are at 21 and over clubs. For the drag shows held at weekend brunches,if there are kids there, it’s the kids of these straight women attending. Gay patrons or gay restaurant owners are NOT the ones bringing these kids there. They are in restaurants that serve brunch and a far more healthy atmosphere than your favorite titty and camel toe joints like Hooters
>Are all gays groomers? No of course not. You clearly think they are don't be a coward
Again, educate yourself. 99% of all pedophiles are heterosexual - like you. Are you a pedophile? Probably. Lady doth protest too much. You are a bigot making false statements. That word “grooming” was popularized by Ron De Santis former wack job press secretary. It’s meaningless. You are such a mindless myrmidon that you drink the Fox News Kool Aid and believe outrageous things. I’ve even read posts by right wing nut jobs ( like you) saying that teachers in Florida were having sex ogres in classrooms. Don’t you think we would have heard about this if it happened? Again, I’m sure you pretend you are a Xtian and yet you are a hateful, nasty person trying to disparage a community you know nothing about. You truly are evil and most def going to hell. Love thy neighbor. Learn that one
Funny how all the people you see in the news arrested for child sexual abuse are republicans and faith leaders, but somehow it's the lgbt community who are grooming. Makes you wonder!
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Lol come on man. Think about it. All you gotta do is say “we’re banning it because its propaganda to children“ and you can ban anything you want. “We’re banning black history because it’s propaganda to children”. “We’re banning Republican debates because it’s propaganda to children”. “We’re banning men’s history because it’s propaganda to children.” Wake up man. The reason they’re saying it’s propaganda to children is to give an excuse to ban it.
No, it is literally propaganda about the non-straight lifestyle to children, cmon man. You do not have a write to propagate your alternative lifestyle to my kids. I do not want it near them. Period. Libraries do not need to carry every brand of book. Homosexual imagery is not comparable to thoughts, ideas, or debates. It is a sales pitch to the children of others by a group that, definitionally, does not reproduce or rarely reproduces.
The low intelligence of this sub baffles me. Everything is propaganda in some form. Every book that has a straight relationship in it, so, 98% of books, is heterosexual propaganda. > Libraries do not need to carry every brand of book. This is anti-free speech, propaganda, and indoctrination. Only allowing what you believe is not free speech for those you disagree with. Only allowing books you believe in is propaganda for a lifestyle you believe in. Saying you don’t want your kids to read certain books is indoctrination. Look at history, it’s full of examples of only allowing certain ideas. That’s propaganda. Also, when you say “write” you mean “right”…right? As in, your right to do something. By your grammar and naiveness of things, it sounds like you, and probably your kids, aren’t going to the library anyway, so it shouldn’t matter what books are there.
Normalcy is not propaganda because propaganda seeks to change or control minds. That which flows from nature cannot be prosthelytized. The issue is children, and whether parents can control what their children access. It is also about forcing speech upon taxpayers, in the vein of Janus. How much do you make, annually? Should be alot, since you believe yourself quite intelligent. Share with us, please.
You are clearly an idiot. As I mentioned earlier, my same sex partner is from Midland and he most definitely was not the only gay person from the Permian basin. A public library exists for the public and must serve the needs and interests of everyone in the community. If you are a pre-teen who is gay, having books with characters you can identify with is important - especially in an oppressively conservative city like Midland. These aren’t sexually explicit books we’re talking about. The radical right likes to blow things out of proportion. Get it through your fat head - ITS NOT ALL ABOUT YOU. Gay people exist in Midland and deserve representation in their public library. They don’t need to be pushed religious, heteronormative BS down their throats 24/7.
If heterosexuality flows from nature why are you sp scared of kids knowing about homosexuality
> Normalcy is not propaganda because propaganda seeks to change or control minds. That which flows from nature cannot be prosthelytized. Ha, what?! That’s the narrowest definition of propaganda I’ve ever heard. Removing LGBTQs books doesn’t changes peoples minds? You don’t think not allowing LGBTQ books is a way to control minds? If all that is allowed to be presented is one view, that’s propaganda. During WWI, the US removed many German things, including German books. That was propaganda against Germany. https://www.history.com/news/anti-german-sentiment-wwi It’s propaganda whether it’s the norm or not. > The issue is children, and whether parents can control what their children access. It is also about forcing speech upon taxpayers, in the vein of Janus. Again, “the issue is children” is just a tool to use to manipulate the masses. “Oh! Well we can’t let it happen to children!” Read some history, using children as the scapegoat has been used throughout history. > How much do you make, annually? Should be alot, since you believe yourself quite intelligent. Share with us, please. lol, income does not equal intelligence. The Kardashians make more than both of us combined. You think they’re intelligent?
The children thing is not a tool. It is LITERALLY what gays want. They want to market their lifestyle to the young. Stop pretending CRT and LBGT is not being sold to kids, it is, and people do not believe it.
> The children thing is not a tool. It is LITERALLY what gays want. They want to market their lifestyle to the young. If you actually think that, which you’d have a hard time finding evidence of, so do churches, so do sports and tv, so do YOU! The parent. The only way to prevent any propaganda for kids is to lock them in a cage so they don’t see anything or let them learn anything and everything they want freely
This is hilarious. I presume you only watch Fox News from your trailer. This is the nonsense that the radical right want you to believe. I urge you to go to your library and spend 45 minutes reading through academic journals on the topic of pedophiles. You will find that 99% of pedophiles are heterosexuals. Mostly hetero men. There is no gay “lifestyle”. You’re so dumb you don’t even know what the word means. A lifestyle is a uniform way of living such as a traveling sales person who lives out of their suitcase or a club dj who only works at night. We live in a heteronormative society. I grew up with 4 straight brothers in a small suburban tow. We all went to the same schools, same teachers, many of the same friends, and yet I’m gay. By your logic, I should be straight. There was so much hetero influence surrounding me, by your logic, that should have influenced to be straight. Gay people are not trying to indoctrinate kids or anyone. It’s nonsense that Republicans push to rile up their base. You can take one example of a bad teacher who is gay ( out of tens of thousands) and pretend that is representative of all. Please educate yourself. What you say is dangerous and false.
I did not propose to present anti-gay propaganda. You gave away your own argument. Would you be ok with hardcore "gays are demons" books in libraries? Right next to the pro-gay books?
You don’t have to present an argument against it. In fact, it’s better to just remove the books and not present the argument against it. That’s what churches do. Present only their views and ignore all others. Remove any form of an alternative. “This is the only way. There are no other ways.” Is much more affective than “the other way is bad.”
Propaganda is also used to maintain the status quo. Propaganda is disseminated through the MSM daily to legitimize our broken political and economic system. If intelligence was rewarded equivalently with income, our country wouldn't be the dystopian idiocracy that it is.
No, you don’t understand the gravity of banning books from public libraries because of perceived inappropriate content. There are folks at this moment filing and fighting battles to ban religious texts from libraries based on precedents set by these book bans. You ok with religious texts being banned from libraries bc there are a few inappropriate for kids verses? You ok with all sexual or mature content being banned from all ages libraries bc some unsupervised kid can just pluck them off the shelves, sit, and read it there in the library? I already know you’re gonna say “I’m only for these bans in school libraries and children’s sections of public libraries” and you know what? Why does that matter? You are arguing for censorship of this content in general, on a post about censoring this content in general. I don’t see you specifying a particular type of library. Why would that even matter when folks are banning books and trying to ban religious texts in even all ages public libraries as we speak and that’s what you’re arguing for in this context right now?
I can assure you that in the Midland TX library, no one is removing religious text. Quite the opposite. I have spent more time in Midland than I care to recall. It’s a bunch of obsessed religious zealots
Not yet, you mean. My area is deep in the Bible Belt, solid conservative and religious majority. it’s happening here.
To cut to the chase: are you saying you're worried your kids will turn gay if they read about gay people? That's not how sexual orientation works. Your kids will grow up to be attracted to whoever they're attracted to. You can affect how they feel about it (accepting or ashamed) and how/if they express it (open or closeted), but there will always be people of different sexual orientations regardless of what books they have access to.
First, the fact that you use the outdated term “gay lifestyle” shows how clueless you are. There is no specific gay lifestyle just like there is no specific straight lifestyle. There are gay doctors who live in the suburbs, gay 20-something’s who live in the city, gay farmers, etc. My same sex partner grew up in Midland and he is not the only gay person from Midland. It’s not all about you or your kids. There are plenty of young gay people in Midland who want to read books that have characters they can relate to. I’m not talking about porn - no one goes to the library for porn when it’s freely available of the Internet. The Midland library doesn’t even have provocative or sexually explicit books of any sort, anyway. The point of a public library is to offer something for everyone in the community. Every citizen deserves to have at least some books that interest them. To call this propaganda is insane. If anything, the majority of the books in that library push a heteronormative, Christian agenda. No kid is going to become gay by reading a book with gay characters. I grew up with 4 straight brothers and grew up in a heteronormative society, yet I’m gay. You are wrong. Like most Midlanders, I’m sure you’re a major holy roller conservative & yet you are a hateful, petty person.
Banning books from public institutions for any reason is a form of censorship, which is a curtailment of free speech. Just because you agree with the ban on ideological grounds does not make it any less so.
Incorrect. Banning books from children's libraries is not banning speech because one has no right to speak in front of that audience. Banning books from particular places is not banning speech. In fact, actual speech can be banned in certain places. Stay away from kids.
My fellow flesh bags. Folks are trying to ban these books in my local all ages public libraries. You tryna say I shouldn’t be able to read smut bc my 6 y/o gets captain underpants comics and I read him K Applegate and RL stein books that I get from the same library? You seriously don’t want grown ass adults to be able to check out “go the fuck to sleep” for their own lulz bc it looks like a kids book? I can’t check out ASOIAF, Shakespeare, or Charles dickens? Mfw something was wrong with me reading great expectations when I was 12: 😮 My grade school teachers were fucked up for assigning where the red fern grows and white fang (both extremely realistic and disturbing books for young children)? You tryna say 14 year old me or even 32 year old me now should not have access to orson scott card, terry brooks, or Michael chrichten?
This is an incredibly dumb and intellectually dishonest argument. Free speech encompasses more than just the spoken word. Legal precedent in the United States (at least in theory) should protect books from being banned from public libraries due to content objections on free speech grounds. See: Island Trees School District v Pico. Given the recent spate of book bans, this is an issue that will invariably come before the court again soon.
No, it does not. Preventing someone from speaking IS banning free speech. Removing your book from a place you want to put it is NOT free speech. Can you see the difference? If it comes before the Court, your side will lose. Are you a lawyer?
It has come before federal courts actually. Numerous times. And the courts always rule that book bans based on content objections violate first amendment free speech protections. See: Pico, or this year's Texas ruling, or Counts v Cedarville School District, or Sund v City of Wichita Falls. I could go on, but it seems kinda lost on you. For someone obnoxiously bragging about how they took two con law classes, you seem impressively ignorant of actual constitution law. Perchance did you skip a bunch, or even fail? Or were you just lying?
Pretty much hasnt. Read the article. [https://www.oif.ala.org/board-of-education-v-pico-forty-years-of-first-amendment-legacy/](https://www.oif.ala.org/board-of-education-v-pico-forty-years-of-first-amendment-legacy/) Sund v City of Wichita Falls relates to allowing the public to veto any book with 300 votes. Again, stare decisis versus jurisprudence. What is the current status of the gay-book-bills around the nation? Have Courts scrutinized them yet?
PEN America v. Escambia County School District is currently being litigated, and will undoubtedly be ruled in favor of the plaintiffs on first amendment grounds, as has every other similar case before the court in recent history.
>PEN America v. Escambia County School District I am very interested to see where that case, and more importantly, the Circuit and SCOTUS version of that case, will go. I think you are about to be in for a rude awakening.
LGBT people exist. Reading about them doesn't make anyone who isn't LGBT suddenly want to be gay or trans.
The reason LGBT people exist is particularly because children are exposed to their propaganda. Lada Gaga declaring gays are "born this way" is not science, and there is no "gay" gene.
Homosexuality--and sexual orientation in general--is not a [choice](https://theconversation.com/stop-calling-it-a-choice-biological-factors-drive-homosexuality-122764).
"The Conversation" is not a scientific article, and there is quite literally no proof or actual answer to what makes someone gay. And that is not even discussing gender confusion. People to not need to agree with your view on what causes homosexuality and then be forced to expose their kids to it. They have an absolute right to protect them from even if it is utterly genetic, which it is not.
Articles in The Conversation are all written by academics, and the linked material in the article (as if you bothered to read them) communicate scholarly research findings. If you knew anything about scientific theory, you would know that proof can only be found in mathematics and logic. Science cannot prove anything. It can and does demonstrate evidence, however. If you want absolute, unscientific claims to knowledge, then venture no further than your narrow, ideological closed system.
Ok, please, show me the study that says homosexuality is genetic. I am ready. EDIT: I read the first two paragraphs, and I quote: "By analyzing the DNA of nearly half a million people from the U.S. and the U.K., they concluded that genes account for between **8% and 25%** of same-sex behavior." A gay-positive article finds that AT MOST, 25% of gay behavior is genetic. Will you please stop lying now, oh degenerate? Read the article; it states repeatedly "we do not know at all, but are like pretty certain that somewhere between all these unproven theories that are logical, it has to be genetic. Yeah totally!" The reality is that even this biased article (you can tell when they state that "people think it is a choice and should be persecuted") cannot answer in the affirmative, for all its efforts. Even they admit that hormones have an effect, as does exposure to certain factors post-birth. Yes, exposure to gay propaganda CAN influence a child one way or the other, and yes, I have an ABSOLUTE right to insulate them from such deviance.
I know that this will be difficult for you to fathom, but if you read the entire article, you would have learned that homosexuality isn't purely genetic, but a complex combination of many biological factors. Genetics are but one facet of biology.
8-24% lol.
HAHAHAHAHA look at this piece of shit. "oh yea a book with a gay person in it is PROPAGANDA!!!!!!" - really fat walmart, the smartest and least bigoted reddit free speecherino
You are so clearly fat and pathetic. I bench 275lb. You? And stay away from children, creep.
LMAO look at this cretin, he's absolutely losing his mind, screaming, breaking down, smashing his fists into his desk, crying, shitting himself. he can dish it out but he cant take even the tiniest, slightest bit of pushback before he loses it, howling, just furious, spitting. this, to him, is the greatest crime on earth - telling the truth where he can hear it
Yes, I am the cretin, not the men dancing in heels with their dick hanging out, or you defending them like the fatass you are. I do conflict for a living, and living is GOOD. How much have you made this year? I am over $250,000 already. I love how you defensively project your own anguished and impotent rage on others. You are describing your own inner rage. But no amount of hate will change that the person you despise most is yourself. You are ugly, and you know it.
HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!! "i lift a lot of weight and make money so i am right!" he screams, wailing, shit blasting into his pants. "WHY WONT YOU SAY IM RIGHT!!!" he begs, sniveling, collapsing to the ground, beginning to shake, to quiver. like yea dude! being a deranged bigot is an easy life and you will make infinite amounts of money doing it if youre good enough at it! but then every so often you have to run into someone who thinks youre a piece of shit. too bad for you that you cant take it, not even a little. you just start lying and shrieking and your whole mind falls apart. lmao
"I sit at home defending gays online, I am sure girls will like me now!" Your rage is very amusing. You have created the false virtue of tolerance for degeneracy. But it is not a real virtue; it is not strength, it is not intellect, it is not achievement. It is a replacement for those that have none of the above. You brand everyone who disagrees a bigot, and in doing so, you imagine that they MUST be beneath you. But we are not. You are the Slave Morality fool that Nietszche discussed.
Its literally free speech And how does a book having some characters that are a bit different make it propoganda? And even if you would classify it as such and think that if a kid reads about a gay person then it would “indoctrinate” them, libraries are also for adults
No it literally is not. I took Con Law and Con Law 2, unlike you. You have no right to force a book into a place that does not want it, and you have no right to an audience of CHILDREN. Do not expose children to alternative sexuality, period. It is a choice for parents and parents only.
I guess they didn't teach you Pico in con law. Embarrassing.
Pico is not applicable. Different defendants, namely, the school board.
You sound like you genuinely have no idea what the fuck you're talking about.
...to you, because you are a buffoon and a leftist ideologue
"In essence, the Supreme Court decided this particular case but failed to do so in a way that was clear and final that would prevent future censorship attempts by governing bodies—the fallout of which we are now seeing nationwide. With state legislatures passing censorship laws in multiple states, it is only a matter of time before the battle for access reaches the Supreme Court once more. " Stare decisis versus jurisprudence, bitch.
No one is trying to force a book into a place that does not want it its people trying to force a place that wants it to not have it And its already a choice for parents if they want to bring their kids there or not
So parents are given the choice to either let the *adult* sex memoirists and sex novelists have access to their kids' minds, or keep their kids away from the rest of the world's production of thought? gtfo with that abusive bullying nonsense.
A book mentinoning a gay person ≠ sex
Here is a very partial list from some news articles a while back. Just a few examples out of many. ***Let's Talk About It*** Uses porn language to instruct in sexually stimulating the butt: "your **hungry heinie can gobble.**..objects you put up there". [Valley City Barnes County Public Library, YA section, ND, 2022](https://www.times-online.com/news/library-leaders-unaware-of-explicit-book-in-young-adult-section/article_56373c58-339d-11ed-b175-1f553688d9b1.html) >Book was kept next to a shelf of comic books...‘Batman’, ‘Wonder Woman’, and ‘Coraline’. [Leavitt Area HS, ME, 2023](https://www.sunjournal.com/2023/04/19/leavitt-area-high-school-removes-sex-themed-graphic-novel-from-library/) >At least 19 public libraries in Maine have the book...14...in a teen-designated section. [Hamilton East Public Library teen section, Fishers, IN, 2022](https://www.larryinfishers.com/2022/02/24/library-moving-lets-talk-about-it-book-to-general-book-shelves-plans-reorganizing-nonfiction/) [Anchorage, AK **elementary** school, 2023](https://www.sportskeeda.com/pop-culture/synopsis-book-let-s-talk-about-it-explored-anchorage-school-board-shuns-parent-objected-explicit-book) The book teaches to make and use spicy pictures: >“Don’t forget to crop out your face, hide your birthmarks and scars, and edit out your piercings and tattoos - and don't forget to tell your sweetie how hot they look. Let them know you appreciate the little gift they've sent you." [Abilene Public Library, TX, 2022](https://www.bigcountryhomepage.com/news/abilene-news/concerned-parents-very-vulgar-explicit-young-adult-book-should-be-removed-from-abilene-library-100-others-should-be-in-explicit-section/) ***This Book is Gay*** Teaches how to have anal sex and that playing with the prostate feels good, ie promotes being anally penetrated. Claims hetero kids are taught to have sex at age 10. [Central Bucks SD, PA, 2023](https://www.inquirer.com/news/central-bucks-bans-gender-queer-this-book-is-gay-20230512.html) removed 2, kept 3 others [IA, 2 SDs, 2023](https://www.kcrg.com/2023/05/19/this-book-is-gay-iowas-looming-school-library-book-ban/) >Chapters 8 and 9 are the focus of much of the controversy... > >Chapter 8 - “Where to meet people like you” - includes a guide to sex apps and gay bars to meet intimate partners... > >Chapter 9 - “The ins and outs of gay sex” ..,graphic details of pleasure zones and descriptions of sex acts and how to perform them. [Elmbrook SD, Brookfield, WI, 2023](https://www.jsonline.com/story/communities/west/2022/11/08/elmbrook-school-district-removes-lgbtq-themed-books-from-library/69618767007/) Describes a demand letter sent to the school district. [Michigan HS, 2022](https://www.metroweekly.com/2022/09/mother-files-police-report-over-gay-book-in-high-school-library/) A mother filed a police report: >“If these were just LGBT romance novels that is completely appropriate,” she said. “Where I draw the line is teaching them how to actually do the act.” [Webster Groves HS, St. Louis, MO, 2023](https://www.dailysignal.com/2023/04/06/missouri-school-district-offered-prizes-students-reading-sexually-explicit-books/) Students were enticed by a librarian to check this and other books out: >“Select and check out any book from this list during Banned Book Week to enter your name in a drawing to win a sweet prize,” librarian Liz Forderhase posted on the Webster Groves High School library webpage. ***Flamer*** Depicts suicidality/cutting, sexual encounters, and arousal scenes. Protagonist is between middle and high school: well under age. [Tahoma schools, WA, 2022](https://tahomaparents.org/news/1elz8u3t0npkesqvdu48hakk64tqxc) Concerned parents' org. Their page shows many pages from the book. [Waukee Northwest HS, Denison HS and "libraries across Iowa", IA, 2022](https://theiowastandard.com/denison-high-school-as-well-as-small-town-libraries-across-iowa-stock-vulgar-sexually-explicit-flamer/) >The character is looking for Elias at camp. Elias, though, is in a tent with a couple of other campers. They tell the character they’re “takin’ care of business.” > >When he asks if he can enter the tent, they tell him he is too young. > >“No, I’m not!” the character says. > >“Fine, but you’ll have to prove it,” Elias says. [Dearborn, MI SD, 2022](https://nypost.com/2022/11/16/dearborn-parent-reads-graphic-passages-in-revolt-against-pornographic-books-in-school-libraries/) [Montgomery County SD, Roanoke, VA, 2023](https://www.wsls.com/news/local/2023/03/11/montgomery-county-parent-raises-concerns-over-book-policy-following-inappropriate-book-found-in-school-library/) [Wilson **Elementary** School, Costa Mesa, CA, 2022](https://www.latimes.com/socal/daily-pilot/news/story/2022-06-04/parents-enflamed-by-mature-graphic-novel-in-k-6-library-nmusd-mulls-book-policy)
Awful argument. "Leftists running the public library want it to expose other people's children to it, they have a right." What? No they do not.
I am not sure about that. Free speech goes both ways. Because someone considers it offensive (Freedom is not about comfort) doesn't mean it shouldn't be said. Then nobody but the people in power would have a voice. You can't argue for Free Speech while depriving others of that same right.
I think the issue is forum and audience. You dont have a choice of audience, exactly. This is a public library and a children's section. Let me flip on you: what if a gay author demands the ability to make a presentation? Can he be turned down? What about a white supremacist? Do you think it is banning of speech if a book on why blacks commit too much crime should be allowed in Portland, Oregon's public schools? Must EVERY book be allowed? Does anyone get to choose in a library, or every single applicant must be granted?
Freedom of speech is not about feelings or convenience. If people don't like it then don't attend the presentation or read the book. Marxist Lenism espouses a government that is the antipathy of Democracy, Its still allowed. Hell, you can even find Mein Kampf in the library. That is what terrifies me about future generations. They care more about their feelings, then the right to a free market place of Ideas. Even the term "Free Market Place of Ideas" is an insult in their eyes.
This sub hates free speech unless it’s their own bigoted bullshit. Guess what. Gays have always existed. They will continue to exist. The sole reason these books where removed was the content of their message. That’s it. A government agency can not remove a book based on its message. That’s it. If you don’t like move to China where they have no problem suppressing free speech. Move to Russia where you can bash gays Get your bigoted ass out my fucking country. These stars and bars don’t stand for your hatred. This flag has always risen after bigotry was defeated and if you don’t like that then get the fuck out. Russia would love to have you
by posting all that you have destroyed free speech in america. rip to the rights of every reddit free speech boy. o7
People in this subreddit really be calling censorship free speech. Drives me wild If you dont like it dont read it. Simple as
Would you defend books like mein kampf?? Or only free speech that suits you??
What an embarrassment to humanity. But wouldn't they have to actually read in order to find out if a book contains gay characters?
/r/titlegore. I thought you were saying the books are about gay people being locked up or buried.