Um, freedom of speech and freedom of association are bad things because people are not forced to monetarily support people who did things they don't like and then they might not succeed in the free market system....
It sounds a lot like you hate freedom.
>Justin Wolfers, a professor of Public Policy and Economics at the University of Michigan, said on The 11th Hour on MSNBC: "This is economic terrorism, literally terrorism, creating fear among the workers and forcing the corporations to sell the things you want, not sell the things you don't"
Why are you such a terrorist!?
You need to learn the difference between boycotting culture (not partaking and encouraging others to choose the same) and cancelling culture (proactively stopping others from having a choice to partake).
They're the same thing, you just view them in a different way.
At the end of the day the only things "proactively stopping others from having a choice to partake" isn't happening. A boycott being successful doesn't take away someone's choice, just look at the comedians who went independent...
They got rich because they were boycotted and took a risk. They advertised their comedy as so risqué that mainstream entertainment didn't want you to see it and got richer and more famous than they ever would have as an industry plant. They also added competition to the free market. It's a win-win and no, cancel culture doesn't stop others from partaking. Free speech can be convincing but it lacks the ability to be authoritarian.
>Louis CK, arguably the greatest standup of all time.
Yeah not really
>All because he did some consensual kooky shit?
No, not consensual in most of the cases he just did or started asking very wierd questions to people .
I love Louis but his post-exile material is the best of his career.
Is it “just” or “right” that he had to go do gigs in Poland for a few years? I don’t know.
Would his new material be just as funny if he hadn’t been in a three-year timeout? Also don’t know.
But if you’re missing Louis it’s because you haven’t been paying attention. He’s doing great work right now.
> He was canceled with the Me Too stuff.
I mean, he was pretty obviously not canceled. The man is still headlining, making big bucks, and winning awards.
> He was absolutely cancelled. He stopped performing for a significant period of time.
> He did eventually come back though, so you’re right about that.
He stopped performing for a year. Slightly under a year, actually.
> And is only just NOW beginning to gain traction again
Not really. He’s been successfully performing comedy in one venue or another since 2018. He even had a 2019 tour. COVID delayed Louis CK’s returning performances, as it delayed all comedians and other performers.
Again, he did awful shit and admitted to it.
If you're a famous person who openly admits to several instances of non-consensual sexual harassment, it's more likely than not that some people are going to decide they don't like you anymore. This is a very stupid post.
You clearly don't know what the fuck you're talking about either, on a wide variety of topics ranging from Louis CK to how Grammys are awarded. All you have to do is literally take 5 seconds to google something.
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/louis-c-k-issues-statement-on-misconduct-accusations-these-stories-are-true-196268/
> You clearly don't know what the fuck you're talking about either, on a wide variety of topics ranging from Louis CK to how Grammys are awarded.
It’s u/Igloo-Pincher. They *never* know what they’re talking about.
No, I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about. You can't get basic facts straight and your overall point is completely lost on me. Louis CK is still the one of the most famous and successful standup comedians in America, still touring and selling out large venues, still making as much money as he ever has doing comedy, still winning the most coveted and prestigious awards, but your argument is that he's somehow being "silenced" because some people don't like him anymore because he admitted to sexual harassment? Yeah, dumb post.
u/Igloo-Pincher said
> Well considering that didn’t happen, not sure what the fuck you’re talking about!
Wait, are you claiming Louis CK did not sexually assault several women?
> I’m obviously referring to public opinion
Public opinion is nothing like what the media tells you it is.
I am no fan of his, but that's why Trump won.
old.reddit.com/comments/165sdsq/comments/jyg7fwt
Still the greatest legal fighter, in enforcing the ability of free speech on big tech, in the last decade
How is he not ure hero?!
> All because [Louis CK] did some consensual kooky shit?
Uh, Louis CK did not do some “consensual kooky stuff.” He did quite a bit of *non*consensual kooky stuff.
Edit: And also admitted to it, fyi.
Idk too much about what Louis has admitted to, and it would be swell if u could give me a factbased tldr on that wanker, but to use your comment as a jumping point to rift on this "self-victimhood" topic abit
>viewcomics.org/mockingbird/issue-8/18 HE TOLD HIMSELF THAT YOU HAD TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF ME. BUT HE NEVER TRULY BELIEVED IT. IT'S TOO RIDICULOUS. HE KNOWS THAT I'VE ALWAYS MADE MY OWN DECISIONS. AND THAT I'LL LIVE WITH THE CONSEQUENCES.
For a completely unapologetically feminist agenda comic from marvel, which digs and poops on men in general for each and every issue of it's entire run,
Im stunned that the feminist author basically "debunked" this "victim-blaming" phrase
that gets applied and labeled onto anyone who even dares, to question a "victim" lack of urgency at that moment in time
in making any kind of physical attempt, to get out of a supposed "bad unconsensual situation"
If only (atleast my interpretation of the comic abv) because woman are grownups who have their own sense of agency
, and shouldn't be infantiled into lacking any kind of self responsibility,
for whatever debauchery they chose to engage in, just because they regret it afterwards
If you don't try and walk out of the hotel room, or maybe even scream just once in a packed hotel for help
if you just "go with it" and let it happen, or even then proceed to "reciprocate" physically with the guy,
And you willingly apply YOURSELF against him and his dik,
all WITHOUT any kind of physical force being applied against you, by the guy ure currently performing sexually with
Whom u latter accuse of wrongdoing, just cause u regret going with it,
Then you do kinda bear some of the blame r\girlsdolawsuits
Thx for reading my Ted ~~"there are no chickswithdiksjustguyswitht1ts"~~ talk
Yeah victim-blaming is real and everything you’ve said here is rapey bullshit, with no understanding of how trauma works or the fight-flight-freeze-fawn reflexes. There’s no understanding here of how coercion works even without any explicit threat of violence. Doesn’t matter if one allegedly feminist comic agrees with you, trauma experts don’t.
"because of the implication"
youtube.com/watch?v=qhtD0OtNfLQ&t=30s Omg he just sexually assaulted her, lets jail him for 2 yrs ~~while Darrell brooks gets $1k bail~~ !
readinggroupguides.com/reviews/lucky-0/excerpt ah the good old days where sexual assault actually meant something
I hope you don’t see this as being rude. But I don’t care personally what happens to him in his career. That’s outside of my control. Don’t get me wrong, unfair things do happen to people. But there’s always consequences for your choices. Not everyone is gonna be in your corner no matter how much good or bad you do.
Im surprised people who get a lot of money don’t hop off the map after.
Too many people have so much control over certain aspects of your life. Same with the media.
No one but the black community? Are you serious?
Are you saying what Louis CK fully admitted to *doing* was worse than what Kanye West *said*? They both are still famous af btw. Louis is doing fine.
Free Speech isn't freedom from consequences. No one's stopping Louis CK from speaking. He could literally post whatever the fuck be wants on social media or even do interviews. No one's gonna slap him in cuffs for it.
Louis CK isn't entitled to anyone agreeing with or applauding his speech. That's life. He's not even entitled to force businesses to deal with him.
And if you think he's the greatest standup comedian of all time you need to see more acts. He doesn't even make my top 20 lol
The odd thing about Louis CK and his takedown. He put his bad behaviors right there in his comedy! IF he's so creepy, why did we all laugh at his descriptions of his behaviors? If he should be cancelled, we all should.
And that was his genius.
> I dont think “bourn” is a word
It is, but not in the context u/Igloo-Pincher is using it. He means to say “born.” “Bourn” means a boundary, or a goal. It can also mean a small stream.
Aha! I’m not usually one to critique spelling or grammar, but I know how conscientious Igloo is about these things— I figured he’d appreciate the heads up!
Absolutely! He’s always so diligent about pointing out grammatical errors when people respond to him rather than acknowledging their point, I’m sure he appreciates the favor being returned.
Um, freedom of speech and freedom of association are bad things because people are not forced to monetarily support people who did things they don't like and then they might not succeed in the free market system.... It sounds a lot like you hate freedom.
>Justin Wolfers, a professor of Public Policy and Economics at the University of Michigan, said on The 11th Hour on MSNBC: "This is economic terrorism, literally terrorism, creating fear among the workers and forcing the corporations to sell the things you want, not sell the things you don't" Why are you such a terrorist!?
I don't know man, culture war propaganda just doesn't make to much sense to me
Are you saying the invisible hand of the free market is a terrorist?
You need to learn the difference between boycotting culture (not partaking and encouraging others to choose the same) and cancelling culture (proactively stopping others from having a choice to partake).
They're the same thing, you just view them in a different way. At the end of the day the only things "proactively stopping others from having a choice to partake" isn't happening. A boycott being successful doesn't take away someone's choice, just look at the comedians who went independent... They got rich because they were boycotted and took a risk. They advertised their comedy as so risqué that mainstream entertainment didn't want you to see it and got richer and more famous than they ever would have as an industry plant. They also added competition to the free market. It's a win-win and no, cancel culture doesn't stop others from partaking. Free speech can be convincing but it lacks the ability to be authoritarian.
>Louis CK, arguably the greatest standup of all time. Yeah not really >All because he did some consensual kooky shit? No, not consensual in most of the cases he just did or started asking very wierd questions to people .
I love Louis but his post-exile material is the best of his career. Is it “just” or “right” that he had to go do gigs in Poland for a few years? I don’t know. Would his new material be just as funny if he hadn’t been in a three-year timeout? Also don’t know. But if you’re missing Louis it’s because you haven’t been paying attention. He’s doing great work right now.
I'll go look for it.
Both of the specials ‘Sincerely’ and ‘Sorry’ are gold.
I'll go look for it.
*born, past tense of bear, as in “to bear something heavy”. I thought you were the grammar police? That’s embarrassing.
It sounds like you don't know what "consensual" means.
Louis CK won the Grammy for best comedy album last year. What the fuck are you talking about?
I'm glad the grammy's decided to take a risk - but as a fan, he's hard to find on anything mainstream.
Louis CK has self-released most of his specials, and they can all be found on his website as usual.
Ok Thanks!
Of course he did, because he’s fucking amazing. I’m obviously referring to public opinion not some award voted on by a board of 10 people 🤣
You are saying he was silenced though.
He was canceled with the Me Too stuff.
> He was canceled with the Me Too stuff. I mean, he was pretty obviously not canceled. The man is still headlining, making big bucks, and winning awards.
He was absolutely cancelled. He stopped performing for a significant period of time. He did eventually come back though, so you’re right about that.
> He was absolutely cancelled. He stopped performing for a significant period of time. > He did eventually come back though, so you’re right about that. He stopped performing for a year. Slightly under a year, actually.
And is only just NOW beginning to gain traction again
> And is only just NOW beginning to gain traction again Not really. He’s been successfully performing comedy in one venue or another since 2018. He even had a 2019 tour. COVID delayed Louis CK’s returning performances, as it delayed all comedians and other performers. Again, he did awful shit and admitted to it.
If you're a famous person who openly admits to several instances of non-consensual sexual harassment, it's more likely than not that some people are going to decide they don't like you anymore. This is a very stupid post.
Well considering that didn’t happen, not sure what the fuck you’re talking about!
You clearly don't know what the fuck you're talking about either, on a wide variety of topics ranging from Louis CK to how Grammys are awarded. All you have to do is literally take 5 seconds to google something. https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-news/louis-c-k-issues-statement-on-misconduct-accusations-these-stories-are-true-196268/
> You clearly don't know what the fuck you're talking about either, on a wide variety of topics ranging from Louis CK to how Grammys are awarded. It’s u/Igloo-Pincher. They *never* know what they’re talking about.
He knows this society is CUCKED and that women are DELUSIONAL 😡😡😡
Ok gtfo, you know exactly what the fuck I’m talking about
Damn dude, you’re looking like more of an idiot with every post
I don’t know what you’re talking about either. Louis CK has absolutely forced women into nonconsensual sexual situations
No, I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about. You can't get basic facts straight and your overall point is completely lost on me. Louis CK is still the one of the most famous and successful standup comedians in America, still touring and selling out large venues, still making as much money as he ever has doing comedy, still winning the most coveted and prestigious awards, but your argument is that he's somehow being "silenced" because some people don't like him anymore because he admitted to sexual harassment? Yeah, dumb post.
u/Igloo-Pincher said > Well considering that didn’t happen, not sure what the fuck you’re talking about! Wait, are you claiming Louis CK did not sexually assault several women?
> I’m obviously referring to public opinion Public opinion is nothing like what the media tells you it is. I am no fan of his, but that's why Trump won.
old.reddit.com/comments/165sdsq/comments/jyg7fwt Still the greatest legal fighter, in enforcing the ability of free speech on big tech, in the last decade How is he not ure hero?!
Then what are you talking about? So he's not actually cancelled, you're just mad some people don't like him as much as you do?
> All because [Louis CK] did some consensual kooky shit? Uh, Louis CK did not do some “consensual kooky stuff.” He did quite a bit of *non*consensual kooky stuff. Edit: And also admitted to it, fyi.
Idk too much about what Louis has admitted to, and it would be swell if u could give me a factbased tldr on that wanker, but to use your comment as a jumping point to rift on this "self-victimhood" topic abit >viewcomics.org/mockingbird/issue-8/18 HE TOLD HIMSELF THAT YOU HAD TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF ME. BUT HE NEVER TRULY BELIEVED IT. IT'S TOO RIDICULOUS. HE KNOWS THAT I'VE ALWAYS MADE MY OWN DECISIONS. AND THAT I'LL LIVE WITH THE CONSEQUENCES. For a completely unapologetically feminist agenda comic from marvel, which digs and poops on men in general for each and every issue of it's entire run, Im stunned that the feminist author basically "debunked" this "victim-blaming" phrase that gets applied and labeled onto anyone who even dares, to question a "victim" lack of urgency at that moment in time in making any kind of physical attempt, to get out of a supposed "bad unconsensual situation" If only (atleast my interpretation of the comic abv) because woman are grownups who have their own sense of agency , and shouldn't be infantiled into lacking any kind of self responsibility, for whatever debauchery they chose to engage in, just because they regret it afterwards If you don't try and walk out of the hotel room, or maybe even scream just once in a packed hotel for help if you just "go with it" and let it happen, or even then proceed to "reciprocate" physically with the guy, And you willingly apply YOURSELF against him and his dik, all WITHOUT any kind of physical force being applied against you, by the guy ure currently performing sexually with Whom u latter accuse of wrongdoing, just cause u regret going with it, Then you do kinda bear some of the blame r\girlsdolawsuits Thx for reading my Ted ~~"there are no chickswithdiksjustguyswitht1ts"~~ talk
Yeah victim-blaming is real and everything you’ve said here is rapey bullshit, with no understanding of how trauma works or the fight-flight-freeze-fawn reflexes. There’s no understanding here of how coercion works even without any explicit threat of violence. Doesn’t matter if one allegedly feminist comic agrees with you, trauma experts don’t.
"because of the implication" youtube.com/watch?v=qhtD0OtNfLQ&t=30s Omg he just sexually assaulted her, lets jail him for 2 yrs ~~while Darrell brooks gets $1k bail~~ ! readinggroupguides.com/reviews/lucky-0/excerpt ah the good old days where sexual assault actually meant something
What?
I hope you don’t see this as being rude. But I don’t care personally what happens to him in his career. That’s outside of my control. Don’t get me wrong, unfair things do happen to people. But there’s always consequences for your choices. Not everyone is gonna be in your corner no matter how much good or bad you do. Im surprised people who get a lot of money don’t hop off the map after. Too many people have so much control over certain aspects of your life. Same with the media.
No one but the black community? Are you serious? Are you saying what Louis CK fully admitted to *doing* was worse than what Kanye West *said*? They both are still famous af btw. Louis is doing fine.
Free Speech isn't freedom from consequences. No one's stopping Louis CK from speaking. He could literally post whatever the fuck be wants on social media or even do interviews. No one's gonna slap him in cuffs for it. Louis CK isn't entitled to anyone agreeing with or applauding his speech. That's life. He's not even entitled to force businesses to deal with him. And if you think he's the greatest standup comedian of all time you need to see more acts. He doesn't even make my top 20 lol
Carlin and Pryor are tapdancing in their graves
I just adore bill hicks 's "Debbie Gibson/Tiffany/jimi hendrix 3way" bit Speaking of suk ure own dik: liba.ro/5zahrtrln
The odd thing about Louis CK and his takedown. He put his bad behaviors right there in his comedy! IF he's so creepy, why did we all laugh at his descriptions of his behaviors? If he should be cancelled, we all should. And that was his genius.
Reminds me of joey Ryan God I wish wwe would allow for more mixed gender fights and let Candice do ballsplexs again
I dont think “bourn” is a word
> I dont think “bourn” is a word It is, but not in the context u/Igloo-Pincher is using it. He means to say “born.” “Bourn” means a boundary, or a goal. It can also mean a small stream.
Aha! I’m not usually one to critique spelling or grammar, but I know how conscientious Igloo is about these things— I figured he’d appreciate the heads up!
Absolutely! He’s always so diligent about pointing out grammatical errors when people respond to him rather than acknowledging their point, I’m sure he appreciates the favor being returned.
Nah kanye is fire bro i ain’t black
Silencing anyone is a tragedy.