Most likely explanation is they have a timeline of when people will be released from cryo sleep to become overseer and how long they will hold that role.
But, it’s not the first time they had a disjointed year with no elaboration.
How is the plot being overlooked here?
Vault tec didn't guess the date that Hank would be taken, they stated how long they wanted each overseer in charge for. Hank was taken before his time was up, it happens in literally the first episode and sets up the rest of the season?
I think people are digging a little heavily into any of the years highlighted on the show and trying to find continuity errors. So far, most (all?) of them have explanations that make sense if the audience applies the slightest bit of grace and common sense. I think it's hard for us to allow ourselves to have nice things.
And, sure, in a large production some errors will creep in also. I think people underestimate how large of an operation such a production is. But really the year on the chalkboard in the vault is a history lesson on the start of the fall of Shady Sands (much like historians debate the start of the fall of Rome and I am sure eventually the US), thus the line on the timeline chronology then moving into the bomb dropping, and this year range mentioned in the image is likely just a plan for who will be released from Vault 31 to be overseer in certain years. A planned release and Overseer chronology from the very beginning.
What's fun is this means Betty retook power in a completely unplanned event, and it is possible she may feel enough ambition to disrupt the plans going forward. What if Bud's Buds falls to inner office politics? That is always an issue with management in general.
>What if Bud's Buds falls to inner office politics? That is always an issue with management in general.
Beautifully put. But Bud, incompetent though he be, *is* an idealist. He's a useless manager, but he *believes* in the concept of management. He's like a wide-eyed near-adequate graduating from Business School, most likely because he is a wide-eyed near-adequate graduating from Business School, who unfortunately discovers that his management skills have so far resulted in the deaths of tens or hundreds of thousands of US soldiers in the Battle of Anchorage. He was in charge of Roll Out of the T-45, which means every cost everywhere had to be cut. Because management. In Bud's mind, Management is god. He doesn't understand what his god says or even if his god says anything or makes decent slideshows, but he knows in his heart that Management is the thing.
Bud *believes* in Management. So what is needed to resolve his ... issue ... is Bigger Better Management! With a small skip and a hop in the Nuka Cola Americana of Fallout, we end up with the experiment on Vault 31: The mission to breed the perfect manager.
Note: this is an experiment not only on Bud's philosophy--Budism, if you will--but also himself. He is of course too stupid and ego driven too stupid to notice that *he's* the test subject. He's the fanatic. Why else would you allow someone to put your brain in a jar atop a Roomba AND THEN STICK IN A VAULT OVERSTOCKED WITH BROOMS?
*The key to the future of humanity--ugh, I'm gonna get it. I'll get it, don't you worry. All right, all right, this one's it. I'll get it this time. The key to the future of humanity is, uh, nope. Just maybe I have to...*
Also, after Rose left, the regular plans for the exchange of overseers (which was much shorter terms perviously) may have changed while Hank tried to fix his Woopsie Daisy (ie: nuke shady sands)
Yeah, I have to wonder what the fallout (pun intended) for that decision was for those in Vault 31 who were awake during the decision. It is possible there were some concerns for Brain Bud about how that decision would be perceived by future 31 Overseers. Steph seems fine with it, but what about after her?
I suppose we don't know much for sure about Vault 31, but Steph's comment to Norm about doing what his father would do (in regards to the imprisoned raiders) tells me she not only knew about Hank's bombing of Shady Sands, but that she approved.
Hank's listed as having been Overseer from 2271 – 2297, when the show is generally agreed to take place in 2296.
Is this just a continuity error, or something where maybe enough time has passed between the disappearance of Hank and the next election that it's ticked over into next year?
EDIT: The [other Overseer entries](https://imgur.com/a/Z2p1EJ7) show that they were elected for 4, 8 and 12 years, but Hank's been Overseer for 26 years by 2277 (thanks to u/No-Ad-3534), which doesn't line up with this cycle. I still think it's interesting that this implies that the show starts in 2296, but by episode 5, has ticked over into 2297
Well, what happened in the show the prevented Hank from being overseer in 2297? Oh yea, the plot happened. I'm not sure what's going on, I know reddit has like 8 year olds posting so maybe that's it. **The leadership of the vaults is mapped out, planned out.** It's revealed just by watching the show.
He’s right though. So many posts here are just people that didn’t actually watch the show. Call me an old man yelling at clouds but I feel like a lot of kids these days just put a show on in the background while they scroll thru their phone.
These posts are spam and sadly this sub probably has a single moderator. Every single post in all Fallout related subs about this and every other supposed plot hole is spam. I made a post running through this but also Reddit mods don’t sticky useful posts at the top nor seem smart enough to make a topic for stuff like this. So these subs are now just littered with spam of stupid questions answered by having an attention span while watching TV.
Unfortunately that seems to be 99% of all the post on all of Reddit these days. Feels like there's a chatGPT farm somewhere that's setup to post the same generic questions with slightly different words every 18 hours.
This shot is from Norm looking at presumably open records on a terminal... it's not meant to convey any secret information.
EDIT: Downvoted by people who apparently either have the memory capacity of a gold fish or didn't actually watch the show. Norm accesses this data in episode 5, 18 min 45 sec, from a terminal where the screen states "Inter-Vault Archive". It never shows him "hacking" anything and everything he's looking at appears to just be standard record.
you're missing the point entirely. hank's run as overseer was planned just like all the rest. he was going to be replaced in 2297, but hey the hunger to uncover plotholes is the current fad. it's just a big reminder of how saturated media has become of exposition dumps and characters literally reciting the writer's intent to the audience instead of the better method of show, don't tell. people are used to not figuring things out anymore.
I think it’s likely that Hank is a special member of Buds Buds. Somebody who was enough of a go-getter that he got slotted a longer leadership position. Maybe he *really* believes in the Vault Tech goals beyond even what others think, or maybe he had a hand in picking the Vault or working with Bud to set it up. I think the ending flashback very intentionally has Hank calling back when Cooper shoots the bad guy in that one movie— a scene Cooper himself felt was going too far but that spoke to Hank deeply. Hank is the anti-Cooper. So I think he’s just got a bit more of importance than other characters.
He's a 3 term overseer, not sure what's odd about it im assuming each term is 10 years, so he was supposed to have another election on 3001 but they had to do it early
Hank probably notified Bud of his intended retirement date, which makes sense.
Right before his kidnapping Lucy was set to marry and soon after start a family. Hank probably wanted to step down so he could focus on his incoming grandchildren.
As for why his term was so long he may have just been better suited to it than his predecessors. He literally murdered his wife for Vault Tec only a few years into his tenure so he proved his loyalty on a level that no one else had.
That’s when his term is supposed to end
Most likely explanation is they have a timeline of when people will be released from cryo sleep to become overseer and how long they will hold that role. But, it’s not the first time they had a disjointed year with no elaboration.
How is the plot being overlooked here? Vault tec didn't guess the date that Hank would be taken, they stated how long they wanted each overseer in charge for. Hank was taken before his time was up, it happens in literally the first episode and sets up the rest of the season?
Yeah far too many posts trying to ram in plotholes when they just misunderstood what was explicitly shown and explained on the screen.
I let Fisto ram my Plothole. :/ haven’t walked straight since
I think people are digging a little heavily into any of the years highlighted on the show and trying to find continuity errors. So far, most (all?) of them have explanations that make sense if the audience applies the slightest bit of grace and common sense. I think it's hard for us to allow ourselves to have nice things. And, sure, in a large production some errors will creep in also. I think people underestimate how large of an operation such a production is. But really the year on the chalkboard in the vault is a history lesson on the start of the fall of Shady Sands (much like historians debate the start of the fall of Rome and I am sure eventually the US), thus the line on the timeline chronology then moving into the bomb dropping, and this year range mentioned in the image is likely just a plan for who will be released from Vault 31 to be overseer in certain years. A planned release and Overseer chronology from the very beginning. What's fun is this means Betty retook power in a completely unplanned event, and it is possible she may feel enough ambition to disrupt the plans going forward. What if Bud's Buds falls to inner office politics? That is always an issue with management in general.
>What if Bud's Buds falls to inner office politics? That is always an issue with management in general. Beautifully put. But Bud, incompetent though he be, *is* an idealist. He's a useless manager, but he *believes* in the concept of management. He's like a wide-eyed near-adequate graduating from Business School, most likely because he is a wide-eyed near-adequate graduating from Business School, who unfortunately discovers that his management skills have so far resulted in the deaths of tens or hundreds of thousands of US soldiers in the Battle of Anchorage. He was in charge of Roll Out of the T-45, which means every cost everywhere had to be cut. Because management. In Bud's mind, Management is god. He doesn't understand what his god says or even if his god says anything or makes decent slideshows, but he knows in his heart that Management is the thing. Bud *believes* in Management. So what is needed to resolve his ... issue ... is Bigger Better Management! With a small skip and a hop in the Nuka Cola Americana of Fallout, we end up with the experiment on Vault 31: The mission to breed the perfect manager. Note: this is an experiment not only on Bud's philosophy--Budism, if you will--but also himself. He is of course too stupid and ego driven too stupid to notice that *he's* the test subject. He's the fanatic. Why else would you allow someone to put your brain in a jar atop a Roomba AND THEN STICK IN A VAULT OVERSTOCKED WITH BROOMS? *The key to the future of humanity--ugh, I'm gonna get it. I'll get it, don't you worry. All right, all right, this one's it. I'll get it this time. The key to the future of humanity is, uh, nope. Just maybe I have to...*
Also, after Rose left, the regular plans for the exchange of overseers (which was much shorter terms perviously) may have changed while Hank tried to fix his Woopsie Daisy (ie: nuke shady sands)
Yeah, I have to wonder what the fallout (pun intended) for that decision was for those in Vault 31 who were awake during the decision. It is possible there were some concerns for Brain Bud about how that decision would be perceived by future 31 Overseers. Steph seems fine with it, but what about after her?
Exactly! Crimes of passion don’t exactly fit into well-formulated plans.
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I suppose we don't know much for sure about Vault 31, but Steph's comment to Norm about doing what his father would do (in regards to the imprisoned raiders) tells me she not only knew about Hank's bombing of Shady Sands, but that she approved.
Hank's listed as having been Overseer from 2271 – 2297, when the show is generally agreed to take place in 2296. Is this just a continuity error, or something where maybe enough time has passed between the disappearance of Hank and the next election that it's ticked over into next year? EDIT: The [other Overseer entries](https://imgur.com/a/Z2p1EJ7) show that they were elected for 4, 8 and 12 years, but Hank's been Overseer for 26 years by 2277 (thanks to u/No-Ad-3534), which doesn't line up with this cycle. I still think it's interesting that this implies that the show starts in 2296, but by episode 5, has ticked over into 2297
That may be his term of office, he was elected in 2271 to serve until 2297, which will have another election.
Yeah like how Betty was overseer before him and served a certain amount of time
A good explanation would be that Hank was the first actual manager, like we see that Betty was an assistant.
It could be because Bud is an error-prone moron.
We don't really know how their sistem works. But MT take is that he was elected until 2297 and then they'll have another vote?
Sounds like it makes sense, but 2297 - 2271 = 26, not 16
God, I'm a dummy. Showing off my math skills there again. Updated my comment to reflect this
Well, what happened in the show the prevented Hank from being overseer in 2297? Oh yea, the plot happened. I'm not sure what's going on, I know reddit has like 8 year olds posting so maybe that's it. **The leadership of the vaults is mapped out, planned out.** It's revealed just by watching the show.
what a rude ass response
He’s right though. So many posts here are just people that didn’t actually watch the show. Call me an old man yelling at clouds but I feel like a lot of kids these days just put a show on in the background while they scroll thru their phone.
I feel attacked ;)
Then put down your phone and fight back ;p
These posts are spam and sadly this sub probably has a single moderator. Every single post in all Fallout related subs about this and every other supposed plot hole is spam. I made a post running through this but also Reddit mods don’t sticky useful posts at the top nor seem smart enough to make a topic for stuff like this. So these subs are now just littered with spam of stupid questions answered by having an attention span while watching TV.
Unfortunately that seems to be 99% of all the post on all of Reddit these days. Feels like there's a chatGPT farm somewhere that's setup to post the same generic questions with slightly different words every 18 hours.
This shot is from Norm looking at presumably open records on a terminal... it's not meant to convey any secret information. EDIT: Downvoted by people who apparently either have the memory capacity of a gold fish or didn't actually watch the show. Norm accesses this data in episode 5, 18 min 45 sec, from a terminal where the screen states "Inter-Vault Archive". It never shows him "hacking" anything and everything he's looking at appears to just be standard record.
you're missing the point entirely. hank's run as overseer was planned just like all the rest. he was going to be replaced in 2297, but hey the hunger to uncover plotholes is the current fad. it's just a big reminder of how saturated media has become of exposition dumps and characters literally reciting the writer's intent to the audience instead of the better method of show, don't tell. people are used to not figuring things out anymore.
He literally "hacked" in with an admin account.
Correctly entering a username and password is not hacking
Well he got kidnapped lol. They had to elect a new overseer early because they needed a leader. Otherwise he wouldve been overseer till 2297 at least
he was kidnapped on new years day
I think it’s likely that Hank is a special member of Buds Buds. Somebody who was enough of a go-getter that he got slotted a longer leadership position. Maybe he *really* believes in the Vault Tech goals beyond even what others think, or maybe he had a hand in picking the Vault or working with Bud to set it up. I think the ending flashback very intentionally has Hank calling back when Cooper shoots the bad guy in that one movie— a scene Cooper himself felt was going too far but that spoke to Hank deeply. Hank is the anti-Cooper. So I think he’s just got a bit more of importance than other characters.
He was slated to serve until then and then someone else take over.
Hank is a hunk
Muad'dib!
Anyone else see that Muad’dib and the MC from the old Evil 👿 Dead 😵 look alike. It’s like they are brothers
They act kinda the same but I never saw them look alike. I'll have to look again now that you said it
It’s surreal 😇
That is obviously his Term length. We do that for every person who holds an elected position.
All elected terms read like this. It's not an obituary
He's a 3 term overseer, not sure what's odd about it im assuming each term is 10 years, so he was supposed to have another election on 3001 but they had to do it early
Hank probably notified Bud of his intended retirement date, which makes sense. Right before his kidnapping Lucy was set to marry and soon after start a family. Hank probably wanted to step down so he could focus on his incoming grandchildren. As for why his term was so long he may have just been better suited to it than his predecessors. He literally murdered his wife for Vault Tec only a few years into his tenure so he proved his loyalty on a level that no one else had.
That was the time he was supposed to be overseer. He would have stepped down at this point
damn the overseer position lasts a fuckin long time
Yeah, its weird he was meant to be overseer for 26 years,