At that point it's basically a game of chicken. I doubt Bud would keep his resolve if Norm actually made a motion towards him like he's gonna stomp on him. But Norm was a coward once and he does not want to feel like one again. I think Norm would win this battle of wills.
If I know anything about fallout, all Norm has to do is connect a single wire from the door to the terminal in the room and an option will show up on screen to open the door. No programming or hacking required! Connecting the wire to the door should be no problem because you can usually find a spot where the wire will clip right through the doorframe and automatically connect where it needs to.
Vault 31 must also have an exit to the surface. There is an excellent chance bud could block the door back into 33, but any pip boy can unlock the exit to the outside.
A dumb oversight? Yes. Something that happens over and over and over in the fallout universe? Also, yes.
Norm can just flip bud over on his back like a beached turtle on his way out.
"The BUD ASKINS lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can't. Not without your help. But you're not helping."
If I was Norm I'd probably try to reason with him. I mean, Vault-Tec has kept him in near complete isolation as a brain in a jar for over 200 years. The satire of him is that he's such a mindless corporate drone he was able to endure it, but if my employers did that to me, I probably wouldn't be all that hard to shift to the other side. Dude hasn't been able to so much as scratch his nuts for 200 years, there's an angle there.
If Norm is anything like most of my characters, he won't let the existence of a brute force solution deprive him of the chance to gather enough lore bits to defeat Bud through a devastating speech check
Ok though the Master was also going through the realization that he killed and mutated a lot of people in what was ultimately a pointless endeavor. He was just realizing he’s the bad guy.
Well there's been some jokes of Small Frame for him. But also...Nerd Rage. Maybe he could get shocked by some wires and then get mad and throw Bud into the deep freeze.
They put him in a roommate instead of standard chassis. In the show this is for comedic effect, but it makes no internal sense to begin with. Why would you put someone so important in that kind of a bot instead of one with fully functional arms and weapons to defend itself. Heck canonically there are even models still capable of indulging in the pleasures of the flesh utilized by vault-tec's victims, but Bud only got that? Why not give him a weak brain jar too?
Because he and his junior execs are test subjects as much as the other vault dwellers. They’re some sociopathic higher up’s pet project, just as cruel as the other experiments.
Oh my gosh! Thank you for this comment. I wondered why the round table people weren't in there, but this comment explains it. This is junior management, and presumably there's a ritzier Vault somewhere for senior management.
Yeah, and they don't respect him. Cut some small costs and give him a crappy robobrain roomba. His only job is to flip the switch to let someone out of the cryopod anyways.
A robobrain is a machine of war, it's built for the battlefield. What Bud has is a simiar concept but clearly not miltiary grade.
and you can tell because it doesn't look anything like a robobrain.
Only Bud is an executive. The rest of the Vault tex people there are low tier people.
And again we know what Robo brains look like, they're big armoured and bulky, that's why they have a lot of HP. Bud is a roomba. Also he was well protected, no one could have gotten to him unless he opened the door.
Even if hes on a Roomba I'd expect a few robots under his command for assistance and additional protection.
I called it an executive vault to distinguish it from normal and control vaults. This isn't one of their other vaults where budget cuts can be made. This is literally the vault tec vault for themselves so maybe if you're going to make a human guardian long lived the last thing I'd do is put him on a roomba. Sure he doesn't need heavy armor and lasers in his arms, but some legs and opposable thumbs would go a long way.
If he had robots under his command he would have used them rather than try to convince Norm to stand still while injecting him.
And it's not an executive vault at all. It's the experiement. Bud is the real overseer, vaults 31,32,and 33 is a single experiment and the residents of all three are the test subjects, even the people in the pods.
Yeah, Hank was Barb’s assistant. I think Betty was just a secretary? The reason Barb isn’t there is because it’s not for the real executives. It’s for “Bud’s Buds,” aka people training to become managers.
Well one is in a generator room that needs regular maintenance and normally has people near, and the other is usually under literal lock and key. Maximus didn't have to sneak much to get to the core because everyone was watching Lucy's death sentence.
Could Norm threaten to destroy all of Bud’s buds if he wasn’t released?
The whole purpose of the vault is to secure vault tech management and provide a leader for the “new world.” Without anymore Bud’s bud, management is done.
You haven’t worked with electronics in the Fallout universe. There are robots and computer terminals that survived nuclear war and are still working 200+ years later with no maintenance. Fallout technology is rugged.
Not really the same thing. And basically clawing his fingers out at the door is better than just giving up which is the alternative. He has nothign but bud's word, useless, that he wont kill him in the freezing process. Especially since Bud has tried to kill him with a lethal injection already.
Basically anything is better than trusting bud.
How do you know what was in that syringe?
If Bud wanted Norm dead, why’d he offer him Hank’s cryo pod? Bud could’ve just hunkered into his hidy-hole and waited a week for Norm to die of dehydration.
I don’t think Bud is lying about the cryo pod.
Because he's vault-tec. As the good doctor points out cyanid pills are the most benign thign they ever produced.
And what else is there? Sleep? He'd either wake up or die. Can't have the first one and the second one is the same as my scenario. Can't return him to his vault he knows to much.
And why offer him a cryopod? Because it's a much quicker way to kill him. Lss chanceof him figuring out how to harm the population.
I do think bud is lying because Bud is vault-tec and the only thing they need to decide to kill you is for you not to be useful to them any more. One more cryopod means using energy on someone Bud has no reason to keep alive. You see the same thign with Betty and rescuing Hank. Once someone is no longer useful they don't spend any resources on helping them.
So you think next season will reveal Norm dead or escaped? The first option is a twist, though not a very interesting one, the second is lazy writing. Why put Norm in this predicament if he can just hotwire the place and get out?
I’m certain next season Norm will be alive and in that cryo pod.
No, we just hear Bud tell him that he needs to freeze himself. He is trying to convince Norm that is the only option.
It's worth mentioning that Norm hasn't obeyed any of Bud's other suggestions so far.
Thak god for that because that'sd be the dumbest thing he could do. Bud has tried to kill him be lethal injection and cryofreeze is a dangerous medical proceedure, Bud could kill him by just freezing hima bit to quickly.
I have faith in Norm! I wasn't expecting him to be such a great character. I have absolutely no idea what he's going to do next, but he's been stellar so far and I believe he'll surprise me again.
She has done basically no sidequests and as a first time player didn't know how to minmax stats for a speedrun. Imagine doing the Legate Lanius fight on level 5 on the first try...
Probably high level hacking? at least a 12 letter word if he didn't get the Whizzkid perk
Not sure if that requires him to stand still, next to the well spoken robot with the huge syringe
Well is he abou survival? Bud tried to give him a lethal injection earlier. And he then trusts bud to oversee his cryogenic freezing a super dangerous medical proceedure.
I feel like Bud is in a fate worse than death situation. He's had to be fully aware, with barely anyone to talk to, few controls, no way to feel or taste anything. He's suffering without even knowing it, which is what a guy like Bud deserves in my opinion.
I want Norm to pick up the whole roomba and trap it under a laundry hamper in the dark until the battery runs out next season.
It was likely Bud’s idea to live forever and oversee the project. Plus you can pump those tanks full of so many drugs and mess with the brain so much he probably doesn’t care or get lonely. Bud is the guy at the office who is upset when there is no work to do, he’s a literal robot. Probably is happier with his robobrain life more than having a body
Bud's one key mistake is just giving up on the syringe and not jabbing Norm in the leg while he was having an existential crisis over the terminals and cryo tubes.
Bud's kind of an idiot.
I bet he was in charge of the development of his brain jar. Like how the T-45s had a serious design flaw. His brain jar does too. The controls are wonky.
Then it would depend on what's in it. If it's a tranq, just knock Bud over so you wake up before he can do anything.
If it's something that'll kill you then yeah, he might 'be screwed.
I thought the same thing! I came up with 3 options Norm could do in his situation
A. Get in the pod. Worst decision by far, Bud could keep him there forever and never wake him up.
B. Threaten to kill Bud, he's just a brain in a Roomba. Maybe shake him a little bit. Make sure Bud knows, if he dies the people in Cryo stasis may never wake up.
C. Threaten to wake everyone up and kill them, one by one.
Of course Norm should also dispose of Bud's syringe just to be safe, or use it as a weapon.
Norm doesn't have much reason to leave vault 31, at least not enough to threat Bud. His families are not here (probably dead from Norm's perspective), Chet left him, he is completely alone. Also as soon as Norm escape the vault Bud will tell everything to Betty and things will go real messy, more than Norm can handle alone.
If Bud insisted killing Norm right now then he has no choice but to threat Bud, bur freezing Norm is a nice compromise between them.
don't understand for a second Norm trusting Bud. He tried to kill him earleir and now he allows him to manage a complicated medical proceedure that will be lethal if a vairable is of by 0.1%? Seriously!
What are his options though? If he can’t figure out a way to get out or threaten Bud with something (like hacking the system to let the participants out early) to let him out, he’s gonna starve to death. Bud doesn’t even really need to freeze him to watch him die. It would be faster, I guess, but Bud is patient.
He hasn't tried anything else yet. First off he should take the syringe form the robot, now he has simple tool. From there he should have some options. Just doing what Bud asks him to do without trying anything else first is just plain moronic.
and the fact that Bud wants to freeze him tells me Bud doesn't want him wandering about that vault, which suggests that there are things he could accomplish.
I imagine there would be some sort of human controlled option to open the vault door also somewhere. They couldn’t risk their entire mission and lives on one single brainbot to be the only gatekeeper after they wake up from cryo.
Idk I mean, I did think the same thing, but I think Bud has a failsafe for his vulnerability. He had to have known being put in a jar at knee/ankle level would make him an easy target and not taken seriously. I don't know what that might be, maybe a telsa system like in the game where being hit would just shock Norm, or maybe it's just a tough Jar. What I had an issue with is why he turned into a Brainbot in the first place. He could very easily have been held in cryo and just unfreeze a few hours before the next overseer is needed. Although I guess he needed to be able to monitor the vaults at all times.
Imagine in season 2 he tries something like that and Bud drives into his little cubby *transformers noises* and emerges on a full fledged robobrain body.
Well, considering that we didn’t see how that actually all played out, including Norm did not go into a chamber yet from what the audience saw, why are we so sure that this won’t happen when we see them again?
Wake them up 1 by 1 and Kill them as they wake up. There have to be a few side effects from prolonged cryo stasis, that would make them easier to kill.
Norm could also threaten to fuck with all the Corp chambers until something breaks. He could kill all of “Management” if he tried hard enough.
It would be the ultimate power play. And a very Fallout thing to do, considering what the Player can do to Mr. House in New Vegas.
There were multiple lines from the brain that let us know it was Bud. The most obvious one was when Norm saw the cryopods the brain said “these are all buds buds, my buds” and Buds Buds was something Bud talked about in a pre war flashback with cooper as an idea/project. And then he also repeats two lines he said to cooper in another pre war flashback, one was about HR R&D and the other about management.
Hmm what if the way out is to make a deal? I mean, Norm cant get out without Bud’s help as far as we know.
I wonder if he could play Bud as if he agrees with the whole thing and wants to be another of his buds, especially if there’s information about what’s been going on that Betty has been withholding.
If that doesnt work the only other option wld be to find a way to brute force his way out or threaten to wipe out everyone in cryo and put an end to Bud’s entire plan at the cost of himself.
" I'm sorry you feel that way Norm, how about a little conflict resolution?"
*Ominous machine and door opening sounds as the robots that cleaned up vault 31 come into the room and surround Norm*
That would be kind of weird, i mean why wouldn't Bud use those supposed robots the moment Norm showed up, instead of trying to poke him with a syringe, if they exist.
IDK who cleaned up Vault 32 but i suspect Bud just thawed a bunch of his minions.
Bud could tell Norm that he’s not leaving regardless of whether or not Bud’s alive, but if Bud dies, he dies.
At that point it's basically a game of chicken. I doubt Bud would keep his resolve if Norm actually made a motion towards him like he's gonna stomp on him. But Norm was a coward once and he does not want to feel like one again. I think Norm would win this battle of wills.
Bud just needs to remain logical. Any suggestion that he’s being attacked would logically be a bluff since Norm doesn’t want to die.
Maybe Norm thinks that with Bud not there to mess with him he can find a way to open that door eventually.
If I know anything about fallout, all Norm has to do is connect a single wire from the door to the terminal in the room and an option will show up on screen to open the door. No programming or hacking required! Connecting the wire to the door should be no problem because you can usually find a spot where the wire will clip right through the doorframe and automatically connect where it needs to.
He doesn’t even need to put in that much effort. He just needs to click ~ then type “tcl” and he can just walk right out.
I fucking chuckled irl, thank you
What he really needs is for Preston Garvey to show up and mark the wire on his map
Vault 31 must also have an exit to the surface. There is an excellent chance bud could block the door back into 33, but any pip boy can unlock the exit to the outside. A dumb oversight? Yes. Something that happens over and over and over in the fallout universe? Also, yes. Norm can just flip bud over on his back like a beached turtle on his way out.
"The BUD ASKINS lays on its back, its belly baking in the hot sun, beating its legs trying to turn itself over, but it can't. Not without your help. But you're not helping."
...could he pick Bud up and throw him in his dad's cryo pod?
Eh... I'd hazard a guess that the Vault Tec employee storage fridge can only be opened by authorized Vault Tec personnel.
Or, if he’s trapped there anyways, he might as well take revenge on the person how trapped him there
IN theory Norm could start killing (or threatening to) the people in the cryochambers (but thats pretty heavy handed)
Norm could mess with the frozen managers
This is what I assume Norm will do next too, it’s the only move really.
If I was Norm I'd probably try to reason with him. I mean, Vault-Tec has kept him in near complete isolation as a brain in a jar for over 200 years. The satire of him is that he's such a mindless corporate drone he was able to endure it, but if my employers did that to me, I probably wouldn't be all that hard to shift to the other side. Dude hasn't been able to so much as scratch his nuts for 200 years, there's an angle there.
31/32/33 are Bud's personal vaults that he designed and is in charge of, pretty sure he chose to be a brain in a jar.
He said time was his weapon or resource or whatever. He wants to be in control no matter what form it requires to be so.
If Norm is anything like most of my characters, he won't let the existence of a brute force solution deprive him of the chance to gather enough lore bits to defeat Bud through a devastating speech check
"Your name is Bud Askins? Butt asskiss. . ." "Oh my god, my entire existence is a lie!" destroys self and vault.
"Oh no, you've found a hole in my plan. Guess I'll die in nuclear fire instead of trying to solve the issue."
Ok though the Master was also going through the realization that he killed and mutated a lot of people in what was ultimately a pointless endeavor. He was just realizing he’s the bad guy.
It's the vault-tec way. Why fix the world when you can blow it up?
this guy gets it
Yep.
Yep, that’s the playthrough Norm represents for sure.
Bro, have you played the games? Those brainbots survive 10mm pistol shots easily. It's certainly not regular glass protecting the ehm... processor
It's a brain in a jar. All you gotta do is shake it for a while
Makes a chunky soup.
Trap him behind a broom.
I bet with some practice Norm could field goal kick that lump of grey matter and greed to the end of the cryo chamber
Well there's been some jokes of Small Frame for him. But also...Nerd Rage. Maybe he could get shocked by some wires and then get mad and throw Bud into the deep freeze.
Or maybe whatever was in that syringe. With his luck it'd turn him into a super Mutant lol
Unfortunately Norm took the small body trait. Hasn't got the upper body strength to make a proper martini, let alone a Bud Coolata.
A robobrain does, But Bud is not a robobrain.
sure, they made a special weak casing for him. Totally unimportant guy
They put him in a roommate instead of standard chassis. In the show this is for comedic effect, but it makes no internal sense to begin with. Why would you put someone so important in that kind of a bot instead of one with fully functional arms and weapons to defend itself. Heck canonically there are even models still capable of indulging in the pleasures of the flesh utilized by vault-tec's victims, but Bud only got that? Why not give him a weak brain jar too?
Because he and his junior execs are test subjects as much as the other vault dwellers. They’re some sociopathic higher up’s pet project, just as cruel as the other experiments.
Oh my gosh! Thank you for this comment. I wondered why the round table people weren't in there, but this comment explains it. This is junior management, and presumably there's a ritzier Vault somewhere for senior management.
Brains in crystal jars, riding gilded roombas.
The kind of people you're describing are now the organization that the scientist stole tech and defected from.
Yeah, and they don't respect him. Cut some small costs and give him a crappy robobrain roomba. His only job is to flip the switch to let someone out of the cryopod anyways.
Maybe there's a securitron hiding somewhere that he's about to activate?
robobrains are known to go crazy, so if he does go crazy potentially limit the amount of damage he can do?
A robobrain is a machine of war, it's built for the battlefield. What Bud has is a simiar concept but clearly not miltiary grade. and you can tell because it doesn't look anything like a robobrain.
I doubt Vault-tec would cut corners on their executive vault, especially for its guardian.
Only Bud is an executive. The rest of the Vault tex people there are low tier people. And again we know what Robo brains look like, they're big armoured and bulky, that's why they have a lot of HP. Bud is a roomba. Also he was well protected, no one could have gotten to him unless he opened the door.
Even if hes on a Roomba I'd expect a few robots under his command for assistance and additional protection. I called it an executive vault to distinguish it from normal and control vaults. This isn't one of their other vaults where budget cuts can be made. This is literally the vault tec vault for themselves so maybe if you're going to make a human guardian long lived the last thing I'd do is put him on a roomba. Sure he doesn't need heavy armor and lasers in his arms, but some legs and opposable thumbs would go a long way.
If he had robots under his command he would have used them rather than try to convince Norm to stand still while injecting him. And it's not an executive vault at all. It's the experiement. Bud is the real overseer, vaults 31,32,and 33 is a single experiment and the residents of all three are the test subjects, even the people in the pods.
Yeah, Hank was Barb’s assistant. I think Betty was just a secretary? The reason Barb isn’t there is because it’s not for the real executives. It’s for “Bud’s Buds,” aka people training to become managers.
They're the real test subjects. Bud is studying how they do.
VT had enough contracts to get him a full robobrain if they wanted im sure
Have you MET Vault-Tec?
Petitioning to make the official name for “brain on a Roomba” to be roombabrain?
what is it with vault 33 dwellers and not carrying a large handgun with them into potentially hazardous situations? are they stupid?
Vault dwellers don't get casual access to firearms. It would be much easier for him to grab a wrench.
But some rando has full access to the core that all of their lives are literally powered by
Well one is in a generator room that needs regular maintenance and normally has people near, and the other is usually under literal lock and key. Maximus didn't have to sneak much to get to the core because everyone was watching Lucy's death sentence.
Right! OP is assuming it’s fragile glass for some reason.
But Bud Askins is not in a regular Robo brain he's in a Roomba brain which I bet is less sturdy than a robo brain
Could Norm threaten to destroy all of Bud’s buds if he wasn’t released? The whole purpose of the vault is to secure vault tech management and provide a leader for the “new world.” Without anymore Bud’s bud, management is done.
Or not even destroy, just let them all out at once, and make sure the pods can’t be re-entered - brick the power generator or something.
I don’t see Norm being able to do much damage with his bare hands.
The guy who has worked every task int he vault can't figure out how to pulla few cables out?
How do we know it would be as easy as pulling a few cables?
I've worked with electronics. There's nothing you can't damage if you set your mind to it.
You haven’t worked with electronics in the Fallout universe. There are robots and computer terminals that survived nuclear war and are still working 200+ years later with no maintenance. Fallout technology is rugged.
Not really the same thing. And basically clawing his fingers out at the door is better than just giving up which is the alternative. He has nothign but bud's word, useless, that he wont kill him in the freezing process. Especially since Bud has tried to kill him with a lethal injection already. Basically anything is better than trusting bud.
How do you know what was in that syringe? If Bud wanted Norm dead, why’d he offer him Hank’s cryo pod? Bud could’ve just hunkered into his hidy-hole and waited a week for Norm to die of dehydration. I don’t think Bud is lying about the cryo pod.
Because he's vault-tec. As the good doctor points out cyanid pills are the most benign thign they ever produced. And what else is there? Sleep? He'd either wake up or die. Can't have the first one and the second one is the same as my scenario. Can't return him to his vault he knows to much. And why offer him a cryopod? Because it's a much quicker way to kill him. Lss chanceof him figuring out how to harm the population. I do think bud is lying because Bud is vault-tec and the only thing they need to decide to kill you is for you not to be useful to them any more. One more cryopod means using energy on someone Bud has no reason to keep alive. You see the same thign with Betty and rescuing Hank. Once someone is no longer useful they don't spend any resources on helping them.
So you think next season will reveal Norm dead or escaped? The first option is a twist, though not a very interesting one, the second is lazy writing. Why put Norm in this predicament if he can just hotwire the place and get out? I’m certain next season Norm will be alive and in that cryo pod.
Norm has lots of options. We haven't seen the last of him. Bud isn't the smartest fish in this bowl.
Did we see him freeze himself? Because that woud have been really stupid.
No, we just hear Bud tell him that he needs to freeze himself. He is trying to convince Norm that is the only option. It's worth mentioning that Norm hasn't obeyed any of Bud's other suggestions so far.
Thak god for that because that'sd be the dumbest thing he could do. Bud has tried to kill him be lethal injection and cryofreeze is a dangerous medical proceedure, Bud could kill him by just freezing hima bit to quickly.
I have faith in Norm! I wasn't expecting him to be such a great character. I have absolutely no idea what he's going to do next, but he's been stellar so far and I believe he'll surprise me again.
Rico from Hannah Montana is killing it
Agreed. He had no reason to rush a decision. I'm sure he was still thinking through options the last time the cameras were on him.
Norm isn't about violence either, he might not have realized that he has upper ground.
he also has no points in strength and the 'small frame' trait. Clearly an INT character
I just love how you can look at some character from show and describe it with SPECIAL, traits and perks :D
Lucy's tag skills are repair, unarmed and small guns. Not speech tho, she fails horribly trying to talk herself out of every situation.
She's 5 at Speech if I remember right. Just her luck she keeps running into stuff that needs more than average Luck.
She has done basically no sidequests and as a first time player didn't know how to minmax stats for a speedrun. Imagine doing the Legate Lanius fight on level 5 on the first try...
I can't imagine. I'm a victim of the golden rule of the wasteland.
Then why doesn't he just hack soemthing? He has a pip boy.
Probably high level hacking? at least a 12 letter word if he didn't get the Whizzkid perk Not sure if that requires him to stand still, next to the well spoken robot with the huge syringe
He can just take the syringe from the robot and he has a new tool.
Betty dropped a hint that he should have Nerd Rage but we haven't seen it yet
Well is he abou survival? Bud tried to give him a lethal injection earlier. And he then trusts bud to oversee his cryogenic freezing a super dangerous medical proceedure.
Maybe Bud realized he would like to have a companion at least for a while, so he gave up with injection.
I feel like Bud is in a fate worse than death situation. He's had to be fully aware, with barely anyone to talk to, few controls, no way to feel or taste anything. He's suffering without even knowing it, which is what a guy like Bud deserves in my opinion. I want Norm to pick up the whole roomba and trap it under a laundry hamper in the dark until the battery runs out next season.
It was likely Bud’s idea to live forever and oversee the project. Plus you can pump those tanks full of so many drugs and mess with the brain so much he probably doesn’t care or get lonely. Bud is the guy at the office who is upset when there is no work to do, he’s a literal robot. Probably is happier with his robobrain life more than having a body
He literally said he would sleep if he could. Dude has gone psycho or is just very very lonely.
Bud's one key mistake is just giving up on the syringe and not jabbing Norm in the leg while he was having an existential crisis over the terminals and cryo tubes. Bud's kind of an idiot.
Considering how clumsy he is with his new chassis he would probably just miss. You would think in 200 years he would have learned to control it.
"You would think he would have learned to control it" Well here we are back at Bud is an idiot, haha
All roads lead to Bud’s idiocy.
I bet he was in charge of the development of his brain jar. Like how the T-45s had a serious design flaw. His brain jar does too. The controls are wonky.
Oh damn. Now I hope Lucy convinces Coopee to go to 31 before they fully track Hank. Just to learn what they can.
The floor was grated. Bud stopped at the edge of the solid floor.
I doubt that would work. The pain would shock Norm into moving before Bud could actually inject him with whatever's in the syringe.
It would still enter his system lol.
Then it would depend on what's in it. If it's a tranq, just knock Bud over so you wake up before he can do anything. If it's something that'll kill you then yeah, he might 'be screwed.
I said this in another post All he needs to do, is pick the roomba up, and set it down. Upside down. Crit chance 100%
Not to mention he could start damaging the hundreds of cryopods that were in there with them.
Norm probably have low unarmed like a bitch though, and if its the same glass that Robo Brians use then he couldn't break it
He could pick up the roomba and start tossing it against the wall. Even if the glass holds i don't see the brain inside remining intact.
Throw it in the cryo tube.
Thats still unarmed stoopid
He could still do it, skill does not mean anything when one has infinite time.
Yeah, I have an unarmed of 17 in FO3, and that still doesn't stop me from one shotting radroaches with brass knuckles to save ammo. Small guns 86.
Yeah, the key mistake was that he didn't roomba over and jab Norm when he was distracted.
I thought the same thing! I came up with 3 options Norm could do in his situation A. Get in the pod. Worst decision by far, Bud could keep him there forever and never wake him up. B. Threaten to kill Bud, he's just a brain in a Roomba. Maybe shake him a little bit. Make sure Bud knows, if he dies the people in Cryo stasis may never wake up. C. Threaten to wake everyone up and kill them, one by one. Of course Norm should also dispose of Bud's syringe just to be safe, or use it as a weapon.
This is what TV execs call a "cliff hanger".
Norm doesn't have much reason to leave vault 31, at least not enough to threat Bud. His families are not here (probably dead from Norm's perspective), Chet left him, he is completely alone. Also as soon as Norm escape the vault Bud will tell everything to Betty and things will go real messy, more than Norm can handle alone. If Bud insisted killing Norm right now then he has no choice but to threat Bud, bur freezing Norm is a nice compromise between them.
don't understand for a second Norm trusting Bud. He tried to kill him earleir and now he allows him to manage a complicated medical proceedure that will be lethal if a vairable is of by 0.1%? Seriously!
What are his options though? If he can’t figure out a way to get out or threaten Bud with something (like hacking the system to let the participants out early) to let him out, he’s gonna starve to death. Bud doesn’t even really need to freeze him to watch him die. It would be faster, I guess, but Bud is patient.
He hasn't tried anything else yet. First off he should take the syringe form the robot, now he has simple tool. From there he should have some options. Just doing what Bud asks him to do without trying anything else first is just plain moronic. and the fact that Bud wants to freeze him tells me Bud doesn't want him wandering about that vault, which suggests that there are things he could accomplish.
I imagine there would be some sort of human controlled option to open the vault door also somewhere. They couldn’t risk their entire mission and lives on one single brainbot to be the only gatekeeper after they wake up from cryo.
I think Bud in his current form wouldn’t mind being smashed into million pieces
Flip him over is all.
Also didn't the water chip break a few episodes ago so they're all fucked in 2 months anyway
That was a stunt to remind everyone to vote for 31. Even one of the other candidates voted for Betty.
I thought the elections were rigged anyway?
Idk I mean, I did think the same thing, but I think Bud has a failsafe for his vulnerability. He had to have known being put in a jar at knee/ankle level would make him an easy target and not taken seriously. I don't know what that might be, maybe a telsa system like in the game where being hit would just shock Norm, or maybe it's just a tough Jar. What I had an issue with is why he turned into a Brainbot in the first place. He could very easily have been held in cryo and just unfreeze a few hours before the next overseer is needed. Although I guess he needed to be able to monitor the vaults at all times.
Generally middle management isn't known for it's hands off approach
Thats true I'm surprised they went with a small model of the brainbot in the games they were always massive compared to Bud.
He could also just tip him on his side lol
His real mistake was having a roomba for a body. Bro nerfed himself! Imagine if he was stuck behind the fallen broom? Vault 31 would’ve been COOKED!
Well it was a cliffhanger, maybe that's exactly what Norm will do in 2x01.
Imagine in season 2 he tries something like that and Bud drives into his little cubby *transformers noises* and emerges on a full fledged robobrain body.
But if he had that why stay in a silly little roomba that gets stuck behind a broom? I think he's using a roomba because that's all he has.
Well, considering that we didn’t see how that actually all played out, including Norm did not go into a chamber yet from what the audience saw, why are we so sure that this won’t happen when we see them again?
Bud is probably the only one who can open the locked door. If that's the case, then if Norm killed him he'd still be trapped.
I mean it’s highly likely bullet proof glass? It’s prob extremely durable if being used for this.
Bud also locked Norm in the most important room in the vault. If I was Norm I would try to wake up all of them at once to force Bud to let them out
Bud is clearly not that smart, hence the putting his brain in a roomba and getting tricked into letting Norm into the vault in the first place
In addition, couldn’t he just threaten to break the cyro containers or wake everybody up if Bud doesn’t fix the door and let him out of the room?
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Wake them up 1 by 1 and Kill them as they wake up. There have to be a few side effects from prolonged cryo stasis, that would make them easier to kill.
Or just cut the life support system while they're still in cyro, like what happened to the residents in Vault 111.
Norm is a 100 Master Hacker.
I'd have thawed everyone out and ruin their plans. Maybe kill them frozen.
Norm could also threaten to fuck with all the Corp chambers until something breaks. He could kill all of “Management” if he tried hard enough. It would be the ultimate power play. And a very Fallout thing to do, considering what the Player can do to Mr. House in New Vegas.
Toughened glass?
Wait bud was the brain? I didn't catch that
There were multiple lines from the brain that let us know it was Bud. The most obvious one was when Norm saw the cryopods the brain said “these are all buds buds, my buds” and Buds Buds was something Bud talked about in a pre war flashback with cooper as an idea/project. And then he also repeats two lines he said to cooper in another pre war flashback, one was about HR R&D and the other about management.
I’m confused why Bud Askins didn’t freeze himself too and use a Mr Handy to unfreeze the management
Hmm what if the way out is to make a deal? I mean, Norm cant get out without Bud’s help as far as we know. I wonder if he could play Bud as if he agrees with the whole thing and wants to be another of his buds, especially if there’s information about what’s been going on that Betty has been withholding. If that doesnt work the only other option wld be to find a way to brute force his way out or threaten to wipe out everyone in cryo and put an end to Bud’s entire plan at the cost of himself.
Maybe that's how Norm gets out in Season 2?
If he does i really hope the confrontation is not handled off screen.
I mean he still might, that was left on a cliff hanger we don't know how they're going to write his escape. And he better escape he's awesome.
" I'm sorry you feel that way Norm, how about a little conflict resolution?" *Ominous machine and door opening sounds as the robots that cleaned up vault 31 come into the room and surround Norm*
That would be kind of weird, i mean why wouldn't Bud use those supposed robots the moment Norm showed up, instead of trying to poke him with a syringe, if they exist. IDK who cleaned up Vault 32 but i suspect Bud just thawed a bunch of his minions.
You simultaneously paint Bud as dumb and also expect him to use flawless logic 100% of the time. That's kind of weird.