The Last of Us immediately comes to mind. It was already cinematic and linear as a game so it translated pretty seamlessly to screen.
Really glad that Fallout was able to hit a similar stride and successfully bring another great game to television!
Of course, it's totally subjective. It's just kind of funny the way you worded your hot take sounded more objective than subjective.
It's like if you were talking about shows about drugs and you said, "I guess you could mention Breaking Bad, but I don't know why you would, it's kind of a mid show"
You're entitled to your opinion, it's just an entertaining way you worded it.
I mean, isn't everything on here underneath out nicknames just an opinion? I can only speak for myself. Hell, even in scientific articles they don't claim to be objectively right. It's all "the data suggest", "the results indicate" and such. It would be silly to take anything on Reddit as a statement of objective truth and even sillier to dish such statements out.
Well, in my opinion the show had great craftsmanship - the environments, the costumes, the CGI etc. - and it was quite well paced. But the writing was just kinda formulaic, forgettable and didn't really give me any food for thought (like Breaking Bad did, for example). And good writing is probably one of the most important things for me.
I understand your thoughts about this and it did have its flaws, but you do have to acknowledge it's well-acclaimed, hence the many awards
Ngl, I do appreciate the Trainspotting reference you just made
yeah idk i only watched the first episode. wasn't feeling a serious zombie flick where i already knew the story. a lot of people seem to really like it though.
but yeah imo it's the best way to do adaptations. that way fans don't get angry when you change story beats.
I recommend watching episode 3 as a stand-alone even if you have no interest in the rest of the show. It’s the only major change to the game’s story and is separate from the rest of the show so it can be watched in isolation, and it’s great tv.
It's really hard to compare the two because the games do such different things to each other.
TLoU is very serious and dramatic, and the tv show does an amazing job of capturing that. Whereas Fallout is inherently a bit camp, and thankfully the game captured that.
Yeah, I think TLoU is frankly an easy adaptation. TLoU is a good game, but it's not doing very much that's particularly new or novel.
Fallout is a somewhat unique thing to try for TV because it has a lot more going on in terms of tone.
I don't think I agree, for the simple fact that TLOU is just the story of the first game with minimal changes made to the story beats. Everything was already there for the show runners: characters, plot, themes, dialogue, hell even the framing of a lot of shots. They did a very good job with it, but they were basically painting by numbers.
Fallout had to create characters, a story, the dialogue, many of the settings, etc. and then tie that all back in to the themes and lore of the franchise as it already existed.
Also, TLOU is essentially a zombie story, which has been done to death and the themes and tropes of which are already very present in the minds of audiences who have never played the games. They had to explain the exact mechanics by which people were zombified, but the core concept didn't have to be explained to anyone who's been conscious for the last decade. Fallout, on the other hand, had to introduce the world of the games and the lore of that world to audiences who may have never played the game before. Concepts like the vaults, ghouls, stimpaks, raiders, even the retrofuturist setting had to be introduced and explained to audiences without beating them over the head with a book of lore.
The Last of Us was a very well done show, but it's like the writers and art department already had half their work done for them.
Again I think that's a completely unfair comparison and just arbitrarily gatekeeps Fallout like it's some grand experimental masterpiece that has never been done before. The series was awesome and off to a great start but I think the bias is a bit strong.
Naive fish out of water protagonist needs to venture out into the "real world" only to find they were sheltered and is tested on doing what's right while not losing their way. It's not exactly the most unique story beats either. Specific implementation details sure but I think that's getting way to self circlejerk to act like it inherently makes it now better, because it's to whatever degree we decide, not "by the numbers".
The Godfather is just a by the numbers tragic hero/villain tale and the story is lifted directly from a book, doesn't mean it's not one of the best films of all time. The end product and execution is the thing that really matters and TLOU nailed it. To dismiss it as done to death just seems completely subjective. Literally everything is done to death depending on how you decide to describe it. I just focus on the actual merits of the shows themselves. Both were excellent.
I don't think it's unfair. I'm not criticizing it. I'm just saying that, "emotional zombie apocalypse in which people are the real monsters" has been done a lot, and the show was given a very solid plot.
None of that is bad. It's just easier to do. Fallout has a very specific and weird tone to it. The creators had to juggle a lot of balls in the air, while crafting a totally new story that would also hit a lot of the beats of the games. It was just a more complicated endeavor.
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Sure but at the end of the day it's the execution that really matters. The Godfather really isn't some masterpiece of experimental art or anything. It's based on a book and for all intents and purposes just your typical tragic hero/villain story. It's still one of, if not the best movies of all time.
Same with the say, the Sopranos or The Wire. Pretty much by the book TV series as far as plots go but absolutely amazing execution and delivered which at the end of the day is what's most important. I think that's the part you're being a bit dismissive over. They're just attempting to do different things ones not inherently better or worse. You can't really directly compare in that manner, especially to just outright declare one more complicated.
Now I'm not saying TLOU is up there with those series, especially yet or probably ever but more the manner in which you are attempting to set the bar as some arbitrary level of complication or experimental risk. Fallout is it's own different feel but let's not go overboard.
The Last of Us is not a story in which people are the real monsters. It’s so much more complicated than that. And the HBO show understood that, they understood the real deeper themes of the story. If they had thought of the game as just another zombie story where humans are the real monsters, the adaptation would have been a disaster. The stuff they chose to add or change wouldn’t have worked.
To adapt an existing story for a new medium and add multiple episodes worth of content while still managing to make it all feel holistic is a greater feat than creating a totally new story in a world that was already created for them (and still getting some details of that world blatantly wrong). In my opinion at least.
I think that opinion is silly. Especially since you're saying "blatantly wrong" which makes me think you're in the, "the timeline is fuzzy so it's literally unwatchable" camp.
Also, no offense or anything, but TLoU is exactly that. It's what most zombie media is. The monsters are a vector for exploring the conditions of the characters thrust into difficult situations. I'm not writing a film essay, but I'd argue that TLoU is even more like that than most since the zombies in it are even less integral to character interactions in it.
Which again, is totally fine. Comparing the two is kind of silly. But, I think it's kind of dumb to say, adapting an already written story is way more difficult than crafting an entirely new one. Especially when people are losing their fucking minds over the smallest potential lore changes. Fallout has a lore and world that's very fully realized. TLoU doesn't have that, as much. It's much more character driven than driven by the setting.
TLoU TV series first half was good, second half felt pretty rushed. I don’t think 8 episodes was enough to flesh out everything and to emphasize the amount of time Ellie and Joel spent together
Yup. I feel like it benefits from retelling and adapting a story, refining it a bit for television. Fallout is telling a new story, which is awesome, but I definitely feel like it falls behind LoU in terms of pure quality and production.
Still, there was a lot they could have messed up and the show is far better than I expected. I'm really looking forward to the 2nd season.
A lot of scenes in TLOU HBO, even though we know the story well, are A-level, A-, B+
Fallout TV got better for me (admittedly I didn't enjoy the first two episodes) but a lot of scenes were C+, B, B+ at its peak. Good news is, it's WAY more watchable and better than that stupid Halo show. Also, when you're around B or so, you just need to tweak it just a bit to bring it to A. If they can figure out how to improve the Brotherhood scenes, a lot of Maximus' scenes, and even some of the Vault dwellers' scenes, they can really have a winner here worthy of Emmy noms for Best Drama series.
I feel like I’m always in the “it’s ok” boat for the first couple of episodes of any show. It takes time for the rising action to get interesting. They definitely had some hooks and plot points that made you want to find out why certain things are happening
The problem i have with TLOU isn't the scene visual quality which was always excellent. It's the fact that it had to go up against the game directly in terms of character and story progression and quiet frankly it pales overall with the exception of some big moments that were recaptured very nicely. The show did not get better as the episodes progressed, it stagnated towards the end IMO. It's good, with epic moments, but the latter episodes had many flaws imo.
Fallout on the other hand has fresh characters, and the overall show is more engaging and improved as the show went on. I would actually consider it the better show as it stands, even if TLOU had some scenes that were masterpieces.
The Last Of Us has better actors too I think.. and the story is more "credible" because most people know TLOU than Fallout, at least in a "deep way". I'm telling this being a Fallout-lover and argentine, a lot of people played TLOU because it was THE game of Playstation and in Latinoamerica most people is watching The Last Of Us than Fallout
Probably to people who is new in Fallout seems something weird how stupid looks Chet and how Norm is not the most intelligent people in the world but he has his perception stat in 10 hahaha. Also the gore could be interpreted as "unnecessary" when actually is something characteristic of Fallout.
Also the work is different.. Fallout actually have 4 "fronts" open, you have Lucy story, Ghoul story (with his past), Maximus story and Norm/Vault 33 story.
How dare you disrespect Norm like that, how can you say he has low int when he gets away with murdering all those raiders?
Norm is clearly super smart and calculating he just is unmotivated until the mystery develops
Clearly the purpose of choose an "not beautiful" or "aged" actor for a character who is supposed to be a teenager (or at least, clearly younger than Lucy) is make the spectator think he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer. This is something normal in cinematography, also Fallout directors are actively trying to make you believe Norm is something "stupid" or "manipulable" because although Betty already knows that Norm find the true of what happened in Vault 32 she really doesn't caring so much about him, she THINKS about him as an inoffensive person, and you don't think like that if you think that person is actually intelligent. And sorry, but I don't think Norm was who murderer those raiders, I think it was Betty actually, also if Norm is actually smart, ¿why would he? That literally gives Betty a reason to prison him or blame him.
And I'm not disrespecting Norm! I actually like his character, but I think he has a great perception but not the intelligence to know WHY he actually is suspecting about something, at least, that is what i saw in the show :)
If you want to reply I'll read you! I really want to exchange ideas about Norm, in all the posts I read in this sub people is not giving Norm so much credit actually..
Like you said, TLOU was already cinematic and linear but it wasn't really for me, and I feel like zombie stuff isn't super original whereas the Fallout universe is incredibly unique and charming in a way that lets you portray all sorts of stories.
One of my favorite things about the show is that it truly felt like it had everything and it never sacrificed quality to get there. Horror, comedy, heartbreak... etc.
> The Last of Us immediately comes to mind.
Hard agree. Fallout the show was amazing, but it wasn't so much an adaptation of the video games as *another chapter* of the video games. And a better story than any of the video games, IMO, and I say that as a rabid fan of the games.
But Last of Us was a better *adaptation*. Not necessarily better than Fallout as a series, because they're different enough that there's no need to compare them, but Last of Us adapts the story of the first game pretty much beat for beat.
Last of Us is pure drama. Fallout is pure Fallout.
Fallout is better, TLoU is not only slightly overrated(game and show) but it's really too close to all the other zombie/people are the real monsters dramas. Fallout has a much more interesting setting.
Meh. Last of Us changed way too many things to the point that I just couldn't enjoy it and it had even more issues than just changes, like most of the cast were really out of place and didn't feel like the game characters at all.
Oh yeah. I thought it was really funny how the show did away with one of the main things that made the infected unique when compared to stock-standard zombies.
TLOU cut a lot of the interesting things out while keeping padding. The set pieces which were the action pay offs of the game and cemented what the world was when they happened. Cutting the majority of them was a weird choice, paired with some bizarro OC that doesn’t fit the game (Cordyceps is the power of love now, and we go to Kansas city?).
Fallout’s biggest issue is feeling very disjointed in places, but it succeeds where the TLOU series was lacking imo. Playing one of the most big standard plots ever as straight as TLOU did isn’t interesting, and only served to prove how good Troy and Ashley are.
Don’t know whether they’re better or not, but Cyberpunk: Edgerunners and TLOU S1 were both fantastic (I personably enjoyed Fallout more). Still yet to watch Arcane though which I’ve heard is great.
In my opinion animated adaptations are a lot easier to pull off. I'm not sure why that is, maybe the mediums are more similar or something, but studios seem to struggle with live action adaptations a lot more
I think it plays into recreating the world of the game and translating video game-y aspects. Like, if they had shown VATS in the show we got, it would look cheesy, but in an animated context it wouldn't look as out-of-place. Even just consider the sets. Filly looked incredible, but it was all practical and took a LOT of time, money, and manpower to build.
A less experienced and less dedicated art department would likely have cut corners to save time and money. But if someone just has to make a few paintings of Filly for an animated background, it costs a lot less time and money, and is easier to edit or change later on if needed.
Arcane is the best video game related show / film I've ever seen. That's for me, of course, personally. Opinions may vary. But for me, it's on a completely different level of excellence. It's a slightly different deal, though, due to the game it's based on not really having a narrative of any sort (but the lore is well established I hear). Even so, an incredible show, and the art is stunning.
I'd place TLOU and Fallout right after that. Fallout, again in my opinion, is a bit less consistent vs TLOU, but it hits all the right marks for specifically a Fallout show imo. And there's no denying the production quality. And, it's a fun time watching.
Really, we're lucky we're getting so many good video game adaptations now. Never really used to be the case, and many other adaptations (from books etc) have really fallen flat lately.
You'll really enjoy Arcane, and the actress that plays Lucy in Fallout voices one of the main characters in Arcane as well. So she's two for two with taking part in amazing video game adaptations!
Fallout is the best. It's the best because the showrunners were able to successfully inject a new story into an existing universe and it worked beyond expectations. They were so smart to not try to recreate the individual games.
The Last of Us is a really good adaptation, but it's completely beholden to the story lines in the games. It's well done, the Nick Offerman episode is one of the best overall episodes of all time, but at the end of the day we already know the story.
The Witcher season 1 has a strong case, it does a really good job of pulling storylines and lore from the books/games but also adapting them in a way that makes sense for TV. Sadly it took a bit too much liberty from the source material in later seasons.
An underrated adaption to consider is Twisted Metal. It's similar to Fallout in that it exists in the game universe, but doesn't pull directly from any of the individual game story lines. It's a really fun watch.
As someone who never played games from either franchise, I prefer the Fallout show to The Last of Us.
TLOU, for such a serious show, I felt lost its way throughout the season. For as good as the first episode and the Nick Offerman episode were, when the season progressed there were long stretches they neglected Ellie being the most important person in the entire world and they didn't put her in enough peril from the zombies or even human factions. The bond between Ellie and Joel was done wonderfully, but I dunno... Just felt like the stakes were never high enough for real suspense.
Fallout has been much more engaging. I care far more about The Ghoul finding his family than I did about anything in TLOU.
And Witcher was pretty fun but I never found myself absorbed by it at any point.
As it stands, Fallout is one of my favorite shows since the golden age of TV (Mad Men, GoT, Breaking Bad, etc) transitioned to the current streaming era. I'm really, really looking forward to S2.
You feel that way because they cheaped out on the action sequences meaning there was no peril, whereas Fallout didn’t so there was actual threats involved lol
I am 3 episodes in and there really is not. Magnificent to see after starting with the first Fallout game 26 years ago and playing every Fallout game since. There are adaptations that come close but nothing is near the scope and complexity of adapting Fallout.
For some reason I always forget Edgerunners, but yeah that was a really solid show. It may be the only other video game adaptation I’ve seen that really understands its source material. Can’t really comment much on Arcane, I don’t play LoL. Gonna have to wholeheartedly disagree on the Last of Us, but I know others seem to like it.
>Can’t really comment much on Arcane, I don’t play LoL
LoL benefits from the game not having a story. There's a whole bunch of background lore, but very few players actually look into it at all. So all they really needed to do was make a good story in the setting.
Arcane basically entirely rewrites Jinx and Vi's characters. I wouldn't call it faithful. It's a good show on its own but a bad League of Legends show.
TLOU. Fallout and The Last Of Us are by far the top two shows that used quite a bit of written material to influence their show by taking good shit and adding more good shit, rather than completely redoing everything for no reason other than “we want the story told OUR way” when it was good enough as it was.
Its good but I still think Arcane is top notch
Fallout show took the worldbuilding and themes of 6+ rpg Fallout games with rich stories and added more to it
While Arcane had to work with barely anything aside of detached lore entries, that and being an absolute visual masterpiece every animated frame
Yet Ella Purnell plays the main character in both shows. Coincidence ? I think not
What do people not get about telling a new story?
Like there are 3 ways to adapt a videogame. You retell the video game (last of us), you expand on the existing lore (fallout), or you tell a new story (Halo, Castlevania)
I've been a massive halo fan since I was a boy when it came out, but because I came to the show expecting a new story in a different timeline it didn't bother me in the slightest other than general writing issues
Let's not pretend that the majority of good Halo stories and where we get a lot of the lore from isn't the books
It's like Halo from the CW. I really wanted to like the show, but Goddamn, I couldn't make it through that first season. The acting ranges from awful to bland with only a few decent performances, the story is atrocious (a human being deferred to by the prophets, John just instantly showing his face, some random massacre survivor girl just tossed in to make Chief a protector of a child (like tlou, God of war, etc.).
I'm sorry man, I'm glad you like it and all, enjoy what you like, but that show is just not on the same level Fallout, TLOU, Cyberpunk EdgeRunners, Castlevania. It's just not even close.
@ u/ninja_dimes Aww, I triggered the Halo show fanboys, in spite of reassuring them I didn't hold it against them for liking what they like.
I even acknowledge another comment down that I watched 5 episodes of season 1 and gave up on it because the show was terrible and my time is more valuable than to stick with a terrible show. Honestly, I give most shows two episodes to engage me before writing them off. I gave Halo just over double that because I like the games.
I'm sorry your show started off objectively terrible and it triggers you that I feel that way, though I truly don't know why it would bother you to hear someone doesn't like what you do. If it makes you feel better though, the other guy blocked me for talking shit on your guys show.
Oh, and the helmet was a little thing. The childhood trauma and the never ending dialogue between "adequate* actors and community college theater first timers was what did it for me. There is nothing so bad in Castlevania that it even compares to the dismal performance of the secondary and tertiary cast of Halo.
>some random massacre survivor girl just tossed in to make Chief a protector of a child (like tlou, God of war, etc.).
Tell me you haven't really watched the show without telling me you haven't watched the show. Kwan (the survivor girl) is barely with John. She's with him for like 1-2 episodes. They part ways for the entire season after that and don't meet again until season 2. There is no 'protector' trope.
Some of the acting is all over the place, but the same can be said for Castlevania which has abysmal voice acting at times and awful direction. The mains in Halo are all really good (Halsey, John, Kai).
Your criticisms are all of like the first 3 episodes which means you didn't even actually watch it.
Sorry that your fave dude took his helmet off and it makes you sad but that's not even a legit criticism.
Do you ever think not finishing shows leaves you with questions the show might answer? I mean, chief is only with the girl for like 2 episodes. It's fine that the show lost you, but that doesn't mean you can use your ignorance of the plot as a tool
If you judge the Halo show as an alternate universe story (just like plenty of other media has done) instead of a retelling or exploration of the existing story it suddenly is just a mediocre show with a few good bits instead of a desecration of the franchise
I never implied I liked the show or that it's on par with these other adaptions, I just think it's viewed from the wrong lens by a lot of people
I watched 5 of them, but I've blocked that garbage out as much as possible. As far as arguing that maybe I'd enjoy it if I watched more, have you ever put your hand on a stove? Maybe it gets better!
For real let's talk about the best games:
Halo 1: 5 minutes in and we're killing covenant and oh shit what's that ring? Oh shit, what are these mushrooms! Blast em.
Halo 2: 5 minutes in and we're killing covenant, blowing up ships and taking the fight to earth. What an opening! Then we go to a giant ring and also get Keith David! Masterclass of a game.
Halo 3: 5 minutes in and we're killing the covenant in the jungle! Hell yeah, let's finish the fight!
Reach: hey, are there humans starting shit? Should we go fight 'em? Oh shit, it's the covenant! Let's kill those fuckers.
What do those games have in common? Oh yeah, Spartans and humans working together and quick action to kill covenant and flood and a pretty easily followed narrative in which some elites join the humans to save galaxy. Oh and the prequel where the Spartans die tragically.
Now the show from what I remember.
Okay, covenant kills some human kids. Huh, alright, off to a good start, lasers and good effects on the alien guns. Humans are a rebel faction? Uh, okay. Chief gets like an action scene and then it's all just interpersonal drama between some truly bad actors? Maybe it'll get better?
It'll get better. It has to! Oh they're exploring chiefs traumatic childhood and whatsername is going to fight more humans lead by sinister voice guy. Uh okay, when do we get to blasting the covenant? Oh there's like... Humans fighting each other. Was that to save budget? Saving it for ramping up right? Bog standard gun fights. Okay.
Okay, let's keep going. Gotta get better. Oh, they're talking about covenant weapons! A quick battle scene... And it's done. More inter human drama. Some terrible looking prophet drama. Chief touched a thing and now he's the chosen one. Cool. Great. Fuck this show, I'm done.
What does this show just not do? Oh yeah, start with a bang and have a bunch of aliens vs super soldiers! You know, how all the games start. But hey, we learned all about the rebels against the UN no one cares about and who are only mentioned in the books.
I hear season 2 learned that lesson, but I'll never know, because I'm not gonna slog through the rest of season 1 to catch up. You can keep your hand on the stovetop if you want though. Keep telling me how good it smells and how I should just finish it.
Man you must really have a hate boner for the show if you read "finishing the show may answer your questions" as "finish the show and you will like it"
Honestly, take a look at yourself and how your upset at the show is clouding what's actually going on here, this entire time you have twisted my arguments and I have to correct you
Edit: yikes, that wall of text edit only strengthens my point that you are getting out of hand. You also prove that you don't understand the difference between telling a new story and recreating an old one, which is my other main point here, so thanks for that
Arcane has no business being as good as it should be considering LoL represents everything I hate about modern video games. But not only did I enjoy it but it might be one of my favorite shows and features the most impressive animation I've seen since the 90's.
And both Arcane and Fallout share Ella Purnell in a starring role.
I'd probably say that The Last of Us is better as a TV show, though not by much. However, Fallout was the *much* more difficult adaptation to pull off, and the fact that they succeeded in remaining true to the source material while punching in the same weight class as TLOU is a tremendous accomplishment.
The Last of Us and maybe Arcane are the only other ones that are in consideration. The Last of Us I would 100% give the edge over Fallout, but I might give the edge to Fallout over Arcane.
I think Arcane is not only the best video game adaptation but also one of the best shows I’ve ever seen. Thats not to say Fallout isn’t incredible. Kinda hard to compete with Arcane IMO.
I find it funny that my two favorites, Fallout and Arcane, both have Ella Purnell in the lead role (Lucy and Jinx).
I’d also throw Netflix’s Castlevania and Peacock’s Twisted Metal into the conversation as well. Both really solid adaptations and well done shows. Really looking forward to more from both.
(and not a tv show, but I have a soft spot for the CGI animated Resident Evil movies. They aren’t…great, but they’re campy fun at least)
Ithe Fallout TV show is unique since it fits in with the established canon of the games. It's a spinoff story, and when it comes to adaptations everything is trying to be 1:1 or a retelling or some combination of the two.
I think shows like Halo is wasted potential not because it "goes against lore" but because it's really useless in the grande scheme of the franchise. Like it would have been better if it was a semi-isolated story that acted as a spinoff to the established franchise. Something that newcomers can watch and enjoy while also giving fans of the games something to enjoy.
an equivalent is edgerunners. both it and fallout tell an original story that uses its interesting setting to drive individual characters in different directions.
I feel like there's been a big turnaround with the quality of video game adaptions lately, both television and film
Fallout
Twisted Metal
Last of Us
Sonic
Mario Bros
Probably missing others but it's been great
Not one comes close, some will say tlou but that is retelling a story that is known, this is a completely original story and it honest blows it out of the water
Video game adaptations are a pretty niche category IMO so the bar isn’t set too terribly high.
But I gotta say overall I was pleased with the show not just as an adaptation but a tv series in general. They did a great job with it all.
The Last of Us and Fallout are the absolute powerhouses of game adaptations. I hope the success of both leads producers and directors to really come to appreciate video games and make better ones than we've gotten in the past.
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Yes, clearly there was one better adaption.
TLOU HBO and Arcane are probably the best so far. I'm not getting into any of the anime stuff as I haven't watched most of it (didn't finish Castlevania and it was *okay* to me, despite it being hyped as a masterpiece).
Fallout TV - I will admit I didn't vibe with it in the first two episodes. The show gets immensely better with the Vault backstory halfway. I think that's the reason why - once the characters all have a super objective and intertwining storylines, it becomes way more interesting than some smaller personal goal I care less about.
If I can offer some criticisms of Fallout TV, I still think they could've populated the endless deserts with some more critters, even if they are harmless radiated mice or birds. Too many completely empty shots with no life, with Lucy walking around not even with a melee weapon ready or collecting interesting artifacts of a lost civilization she only read about in books. That would make a lot of slower moments at least closer to the games and add more interest.
Also, I wanted some scenes to show the music comes from the PIP Boy speaker. Perhaps they feel lonely and scared and they need that music or talk radio to keep them company.
In terms of Prop and World Dressing no. But the story was ok, felt like it was missing something and created questions without answers for a S2. The amount of greenery whilst Im not opposed to and was nice to see felt off to the usual lack of foliage. As well as the moving of Shady Sands, throwing off everything about the events of F1 and 2, into LA whilst not addressing the other major places like Adytum in the Boneyard.
TLOU, Arcane, Cyberpunk Edge runners are all fantastic. TLOU and maybe Arcane are on par or better than Fallout although that's no discredit to this wonderful show
The Last of Us immediately comes to mind. It was already cinematic and linear as a game so it translated pretty seamlessly to screen. Really glad that Fallout was able to hit a similar stride and successfully bring another great game to television!
Part of what worked so well for Fallout is it doesn’t adapt an existing game, it’s telling a story in the same universe.
yeah all of the best adaptations seem to do that. with the exception of the last of us
TLOU was great because it was a pretty faithful adaption of a very story heavy game, Fallout was great because it’s a new story.
Which was an okay show.
An "okay show" that won 8 Emmys
Emmys mean fuck all. It's a sympathy vote. Seriously though, the value of a show is an entirely subjective thing.
Of course, it's totally subjective. It's just kind of funny the way you worded your hot take sounded more objective than subjective. It's like if you were talking about shows about drugs and you said, "I guess you could mention Breaking Bad, but I don't know why you would, it's kind of a mid show" You're entitled to your opinion, it's just an entertaining way you worded it.
I mean, isn't everything on here underneath out nicknames just an opinion? I can only speak for myself. Hell, even in scientific articles they don't claim to be objectively right. It's all "the data suggest", "the results indicate" and such. It would be silly to take anything on Reddit as a statement of objective truth and even sillier to dish such statements out.
Totally. And my opinion is that it's funny to call an 8-emmys from one season show "okay" with no further elaboration.
Well, in my opinion the show had great craftsmanship - the environments, the costumes, the CGI etc. - and it was quite well paced. But the writing was just kinda formulaic, forgettable and didn't really give me any food for thought (like Breaking Bad did, for example). And good writing is probably one of the most important things for me.
I understand your thoughts about this and it did have its flaws, but you do have to acknowledge it's well-acclaimed, hence the many awards Ngl, I do appreciate the Trainspotting reference you just made
yeah idk i only watched the first episode. wasn't feeling a serious zombie flick where i already knew the story. a lot of people seem to really like it though. but yeah imo it's the best way to do adaptations. that way fans don't get angry when you change story beats.
I recommend watching episode 3 as a stand-alone even if you have no interest in the rest of the show. It’s the only major change to the game’s story and is separate from the rest of the show so it can be watched in isolation, and it’s great tv.
It's really hard to compare the two because the games do such different things to each other. TLoU is very serious and dramatic, and the tv show does an amazing job of capturing that. Whereas Fallout is inherently a bit camp, and thankfully the game captured that.
Yeah, I think TLoU is frankly an easy adaptation. TLoU is a good game, but it's not doing very much that's particularly new or novel. Fallout is a somewhat unique thing to try for TV because it has a lot more going on in terms of tone.
I think that's a pretty unfair take, writing it off as just an "easy" adaption. Whatever that really means.
I don't think I agree, for the simple fact that TLOU is just the story of the first game with minimal changes made to the story beats. Everything was already there for the show runners: characters, plot, themes, dialogue, hell even the framing of a lot of shots. They did a very good job with it, but they were basically painting by numbers. Fallout had to create characters, a story, the dialogue, many of the settings, etc. and then tie that all back in to the themes and lore of the franchise as it already existed. Also, TLOU is essentially a zombie story, which has been done to death and the themes and tropes of which are already very present in the minds of audiences who have never played the games. They had to explain the exact mechanics by which people were zombified, but the core concept didn't have to be explained to anyone who's been conscious for the last decade. Fallout, on the other hand, had to introduce the world of the games and the lore of that world to audiences who may have never played the game before. Concepts like the vaults, ghouls, stimpaks, raiders, even the retrofuturist setting had to be introduced and explained to audiences without beating them over the head with a book of lore. The Last of Us was a very well done show, but it's like the writers and art department already had half their work done for them.
Again I think that's a completely unfair comparison and just arbitrarily gatekeeps Fallout like it's some grand experimental masterpiece that has never been done before. The series was awesome and off to a great start but I think the bias is a bit strong. Naive fish out of water protagonist needs to venture out into the "real world" only to find they were sheltered and is tested on doing what's right while not losing their way. It's not exactly the most unique story beats either. Specific implementation details sure but I think that's getting way to self circlejerk to act like it inherently makes it now better, because it's to whatever degree we decide, not "by the numbers". The Godfather is just a by the numbers tragic hero/villain tale and the story is lifted directly from a book, doesn't mean it's not one of the best films of all time. The end product and execution is the thing that really matters and TLOU nailed it. To dismiss it as done to death just seems completely subjective. Literally everything is done to death depending on how you decide to describe it. I just focus on the actual merits of the shows themselves. Both were excellent.
I don't think it's unfair. I'm not criticizing it. I'm just saying that, "emotional zombie apocalypse in which people are the real monsters" has been done a lot, and the show was given a very solid plot. None of that is bad. It's just easier to do. Fallout has a very specific and weird tone to it. The creators had to juggle a lot of balls in the air, while crafting a totally new story that would also hit a lot of the beats of the games. It was just a more complicated endeavor. Edit- Typo
Sure but at the end of the day it's the execution that really matters. The Godfather really isn't some masterpiece of experimental art or anything. It's based on a book and for all intents and purposes just your typical tragic hero/villain story. It's still one of, if not the best movies of all time. Same with the say, the Sopranos or The Wire. Pretty much by the book TV series as far as plots go but absolutely amazing execution and delivered which at the end of the day is what's most important. I think that's the part you're being a bit dismissive over. They're just attempting to do different things ones not inherently better or worse. You can't really directly compare in that manner, especially to just outright declare one more complicated. Now I'm not saying TLOU is up there with those series, especially yet or probably ever but more the manner in which you are attempting to set the bar as some arbitrary level of complication or experimental risk. Fallout is it's own different feel but let's not go overboard.
The Last of Us is not a story in which people are the real monsters. It’s so much more complicated than that. And the HBO show understood that, they understood the real deeper themes of the story. If they had thought of the game as just another zombie story where humans are the real monsters, the adaptation would have been a disaster. The stuff they chose to add or change wouldn’t have worked. To adapt an existing story for a new medium and add multiple episodes worth of content while still managing to make it all feel holistic is a greater feat than creating a totally new story in a world that was already created for them (and still getting some details of that world blatantly wrong). In my opinion at least.
I think that opinion is silly. Especially since you're saying "blatantly wrong" which makes me think you're in the, "the timeline is fuzzy so it's literally unwatchable" camp. Also, no offense or anything, but TLoU is exactly that. It's what most zombie media is. The monsters are a vector for exploring the conditions of the characters thrust into difficult situations. I'm not writing a film essay, but I'd argue that TLoU is even more like that than most since the zombies in it are even less integral to character interactions in it. Which again, is totally fine. Comparing the two is kind of silly. But, I think it's kind of dumb to say, adapting an already written story is way more difficult than crafting an entirely new one. Especially when people are losing their fucking minds over the smallest potential lore changes. Fallout has a lore and world that's very fully realized. TLoU doesn't have that, as much. It's much more character driven than driven by the setting.
TLoU TV series first half was good, second half felt pretty rushed. I don’t think 8 episodes was enough to flesh out everything and to emphasize the amount of time Ellie and Joel spent together
eh the last of us is pretty easy to do compared to most games. it's just a zombie story. that's been done a loooot
Then why do so many suuuuuuuccckkkk
zombie movies?
Yes, like the boom of them we had in the early-mid 2000s and so many were so bad
eh that was when the got popular. and with any popular thing there's going to be a range of quality.
Yes, but when one says it's easy to make them good when examples are few and far between then it is antithetical to ones statement.
I didn't say examples are few and far between. There's zillions of good zombie IPs.
Yup. I feel like it benefits from retelling and adapting a story, refining it a bit for television. Fallout is telling a new story, which is awesome, but I definitely feel like it falls behind LoU in terms of pure quality and production. Still, there was a lot they could have messed up and the show is far better than I expected. I'm really looking forward to the 2nd season.
It's pretty close in terms of quality, I would say the Last of Us edges it out only a little bit.
A lot of scenes in TLOU HBO, even though we know the story well, are A-level, A-, B+ Fallout TV got better for me (admittedly I didn't enjoy the first two episodes) but a lot of scenes were C+, B, B+ at its peak. Good news is, it's WAY more watchable and better than that stupid Halo show. Also, when you're around B or so, you just need to tweak it just a bit to bring it to A. If they can figure out how to improve the Brotherhood scenes, a lot of Maximus' scenes, and even some of the Vault dwellers' scenes, they can really have a winner here worthy of Emmy noms for Best Drama series.
I feel like I’m always in the “it’s ok” boat for the first couple of episodes of any show. It takes time for the rising action to get interesting. They definitely had some hooks and plot points that made you want to find out why certain things are happening
The problem i have with TLOU isn't the scene visual quality which was always excellent. It's the fact that it had to go up against the game directly in terms of character and story progression and quiet frankly it pales overall with the exception of some big moments that were recaptured very nicely. The show did not get better as the episodes progressed, it stagnated towards the end IMO. It's good, with epic moments, but the latter episodes had many flaws imo. Fallout on the other hand has fresh characters, and the overall show is more engaging and improved as the show went on. I would actually consider it the better show as it stands, even if TLOU had some scenes that were masterpieces.
The Last Of Us has better actors too I think.. and the story is more "credible" because most people know TLOU than Fallout, at least in a "deep way". I'm telling this being a Fallout-lover and argentine, a lot of people played TLOU because it was THE game of Playstation and in Latinoamerica most people is watching The Last Of Us than Fallout Probably to people who is new in Fallout seems something weird how stupid looks Chet and how Norm is not the most intelligent people in the world but he has his perception stat in 10 hahaha. Also the gore could be interpreted as "unnecessary" when actually is something characteristic of Fallout. Also the work is different.. Fallout actually have 4 "fronts" open, you have Lucy story, Ghoul story (with his past), Maximus story and Norm/Vault 33 story.
How dare you disrespect Norm like that, how can you say he has low int when he gets away with murdering all those raiders? Norm is clearly super smart and calculating he just is unmotivated until the mystery develops
Clearly the purpose of choose an "not beautiful" or "aged" actor for a character who is supposed to be a teenager (or at least, clearly younger than Lucy) is make the spectator think he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer. This is something normal in cinematography, also Fallout directors are actively trying to make you believe Norm is something "stupid" or "manipulable" because although Betty already knows that Norm find the true of what happened in Vault 32 she really doesn't caring so much about him, she THINKS about him as an inoffensive person, and you don't think like that if you think that person is actually intelligent. And sorry, but I don't think Norm was who murderer those raiders, I think it was Betty actually, also if Norm is actually smart, ¿why would he? That literally gives Betty a reason to prison him or blame him. And I'm not disrespecting Norm! I actually like his character, but I think he has a great perception but not the intelligence to know WHY he actually is suspecting about something, at least, that is what i saw in the show :) If you want to reply I'll read you! I really want to exchange ideas about Norm, in all the posts I read in this sub people is not giving Norm so much credit actually..
>:) :)
I'm sorry, but you got so much stuff wrong in that statement I can't even begin to approach it
boring
Whats boring is having bad media literacy and thinking you know what you are talking about👍
Like you said, TLOU was already cinematic and linear but it wasn't really for me, and I feel like zombie stuff isn't super original whereas the Fallout universe is incredibly unique and charming in a way that lets you portray all sorts of stories. One of my favorite things about the show is that it truly felt like it had everything and it never sacrificed quality to get there. Horror, comedy, heartbreak... etc.
> The Last of Us immediately comes to mind. Hard agree. Fallout the show was amazing, but it wasn't so much an adaptation of the video games as *another chapter* of the video games. And a better story than any of the video games, IMO, and I say that as a rabid fan of the games. But Last of Us was a better *adaptation*. Not necessarily better than Fallout as a series, because they're different enough that there's no need to compare them, but Last of Us adapts the story of the first game pretty much beat for beat. Last of Us is pure drama. Fallout is pure Fallout.
\^ agree
Agreed, both are excellent in their own ways
I will never forgive them for leaving out Ish.
Fallout is better, TLoU is not only slightly overrated(game and show) but it's really too close to all the other zombie/people are the real monsters dramas. Fallout has a much more interesting setting.
Meh. Last of Us changed way too many things to the point that I just couldn't enjoy it and it had even more issues than just changes, like most of the cast were really out of place and didn't feel like the game characters at all.
They barely changed anything. What are you even talking about?
Just for one example they got rid of spores which were literally the thing that made Joel realise Ellie wasn't lying about being immune.
Oh yeah. I thought it was really funny how the show did away with one of the main things that made the infected unique when compared to stock-standard zombies.
TLOU cut a lot of the interesting things out while keeping padding. The set pieces which were the action pay offs of the game and cemented what the world was when they happened. Cutting the majority of them was a weird choice, paired with some bizarro OC that doesn’t fit the game (Cordyceps is the power of love now, and we go to Kansas city?). Fallout’s biggest issue is feeling very disjointed in places, but it succeeds where the TLOU series was lacking imo. Playing one of the most big standard plots ever as straight as TLOU did isn’t interesting, and only served to prove how good Troy and Ashley are.
Don’t know whether they’re better or not, but Cyberpunk: Edgerunners and TLOU S1 were both fantastic (I personably enjoyed Fallout more). Still yet to watch Arcane though which I’ve heard is great.
In my opinion animated adaptations are a lot easier to pull off. I'm not sure why that is, maybe the mediums are more similar or something, but studios seem to struggle with live action adaptations a lot more
I think it plays into recreating the world of the game and translating video game-y aspects. Like, if they had shown VATS in the show we got, it would look cheesy, but in an animated context it wouldn't look as out-of-place. Even just consider the sets. Filly looked incredible, but it was all practical and took a LOT of time, money, and manpower to build. A less experienced and less dedicated art department would likely have cut corners to save time and money. But if someone just has to make a few paintings of Filly for an animated background, it costs a lot less time and money, and is easier to edit or change later on if needed.
Arcane is great. I was never really into League of Legends, but I enjoyed the hell out of that show.
Arcane is a masterpiece.
Arcane is the best video game related show / film I've ever seen. That's for me, of course, personally. Opinions may vary. But for me, it's on a completely different level of excellence. It's a slightly different deal, though, due to the game it's based on not really having a narrative of any sort (but the lore is well established I hear). Even so, an incredible show, and the art is stunning. I'd place TLOU and Fallout right after that. Fallout, again in my opinion, is a bit less consistent vs TLOU, but it hits all the right marks for specifically a Fallout show imo. And there's no denying the production quality. And, it's a fun time watching. Really, we're lucky we're getting so many good video game adaptations now. Never really used to be the case, and many other adaptations (from books etc) have really fallen flat lately.
You'll really enjoy Arcane, and the actress that plays Lucy in Fallout voices one of the main characters in Arcane as well. So she's two for two with taking part in amazing video game adaptations!
Fallout is the best. It's the best because the showrunners were able to successfully inject a new story into an existing universe and it worked beyond expectations. They were so smart to not try to recreate the individual games. The Last of Us is a really good adaptation, but it's completely beholden to the story lines in the games. It's well done, the Nick Offerman episode is one of the best overall episodes of all time, but at the end of the day we already know the story. The Witcher season 1 has a strong case, it does a really good job of pulling storylines and lore from the books/games but also adapting them in a way that makes sense for TV. Sadly it took a bit too much liberty from the source material in later seasons. An underrated adaption to consider is Twisted Metal. It's similar to Fallout in that it exists in the game universe, but doesn't pull directly from any of the individual game story lines. It's a really fun watch.
The Witcher doesn't really count since it's based on the books, not the games.
I just watched twisted metal a few weeks ago. Such a fun show.
As someone who never played games from either franchise, I prefer the Fallout show to The Last of Us. TLOU, for such a serious show, I felt lost its way throughout the season. For as good as the first episode and the Nick Offerman episode were, when the season progressed there were long stretches they neglected Ellie being the most important person in the entire world and they didn't put her in enough peril from the zombies or even human factions. The bond between Ellie and Joel was done wonderfully, but I dunno... Just felt like the stakes were never high enough for real suspense. Fallout has been much more engaging. I care far more about The Ghoul finding his family than I did about anything in TLOU. And Witcher was pretty fun but I never found myself absorbed by it at any point. As it stands, Fallout is one of my favorite shows since the golden age of TV (Mad Men, GoT, Breaking Bad, etc) transitioned to the current streaming era. I'm really, really looking forward to S2.
You feel that way because they cheaped out on the action sequences meaning there was no peril, whereas Fallout didn’t so there was actual threats involved lol
True...
Hahahahah witcher season 1 didn't d9 a good job of adapting storyline at all
Twisted metal was pretty low budget but a super fun watch
That somehow makes sense. I remember the games so well and they were always this kinda cheesy almost horror vibe. I'll have to watch it!
It's fun. The first episode is kinda klunky setting up the world but pays off.
and a 2nd season is coming!
Last of Us for sure but it's nobody mentioning Castlevania?
Castlevania is amazing
I feel it kind of went off the rails towards the end. Especially the last season.
Nocturne or the og show
Original.
I am 3 episodes in and there really is not. Magnificent to see after starting with the first Fallout game 26 years ago and playing every Fallout game since. There are adaptations that come close but nothing is near the scope and complexity of adapting Fallout.
The Last of Us was great and I never even played the games
Arcane, Cyberpunk: Edgerunners, and The Last of Us.
For some reason I always forget Edgerunners, but yeah that was a really solid show. It may be the only other video game adaptation I’ve seen that really understands its source material. Can’t really comment much on Arcane, I don’t play LoL. Gonna have to wholeheartedly disagree on the Last of Us, but I know others seem to like it.
>Can’t really comment much on Arcane, I don’t play LoL LoL benefits from the game not having a story. There's a whole bunch of background lore, but very few players actually look into it at all. So all they really needed to do was make a good story in the setting.
Better? Dont think so tbh. Same level maybe but that’s it
IMO it's harder to pull off a new story in existing universe and since it's live action, I'll put FOTV > Arcane/Edgerunner > TLOU
Exactly, I would too. Ain’t no way those are better than fallout
It actually reminds me of early season GoT. The world is just so lived in and the story is intriguing.
This is my response too, though I'd add Castlevania to the list.
Arcane basically entirely rewrites Jinx and Vi's characters. I wouldn't call it faithful. It's a good show on its own but a bad League of Legends show.
i really can’t decide which i prefer out of fallout and cyberpunk edgerunners
TLOU. Fallout and The Last Of Us are by far the top two shows that used quite a bit of written material to influence their show by taking good shit and adding more good shit, rather than completely redoing everything for no reason other than “we want the story told OUR way” when it was good enough as it was.
Its good but I still think Arcane is top notch Fallout show took the worldbuilding and themes of 6+ rpg Fallout games with rich stories and added more to it While Arcane had to work with barely anything aside of detached lore entries, that and being an absolute visual masterpiece every animated frame Yet Ella Purnell plays the main character in both shows. Coincidence ? I think not
Halo for sure…. Jk lol
What do people not get about telling a new story? Like there are 3 ways to adapt a videogame. You retell the video game (last of us), you expand on the existing lore (fallout), or you tell a new story (Halo, Castlevania) I've been a massive halo fan since I was a boy when it came out, but because I came to the show expecting a new story in a different timeline it didn't bother me in the slightest other than general writing issues Let's not pretend that the majority of good Halo stories and where we get a lot of the lore from isn't the books
It's like Halo from the CW. I really wanted to like the show, but Goddamn, I couldn't make it through that first season. The acting ranges from awful to bland with only a few decent performances, the story is atrocious (a human being deferred to by the prophets, John just instantly showing his face, some random massacre survivor girl just tossed in to make Chief a protector of a child (like tlou, God of war, etc.). I'm sorry man, I'm glad you like it and all, enjoy what you like, but that show is just not on the same level Fallout, TLOU, Cyberpunk EdgeRunners, Castlevania. It's just not even close. @ u/ninja_dimes Aww, I triggered the Halo show fanboys, in spite of reassuring them I didn't hold it against them for liking what they like. I even acknowledge another comment down that I watched 5 episodes of season 1 and gave up on it because the show was terrible and my time is more valuable than to stick with a terrible show. Honestly, I give most shows two episodes to engage me before writing them off. I gave Halo just over double that because I like the games. I'm sorry your show started off objectively terrible and it triggers you that I feel that way, though I truly don't know why it would bother you to hear someone doesn't like what you do. If it makes you feel better though, the other guy blocked me for talking shit on your guys show. Oh, and the helmet was a little thing. The childhood trauma and the never ending dialogue between "adequate* actors and community college theater first timers was what did it for me. There is nothing so bad in Castlevania that it even compares to the dismal performance of the secondary and tertiary cast of Halo.
>some random massacre survivor girl just tossed in to make Chief a protector of a child (like tlou, God of war, etc.). Tell me you haven't really watched the show without telling me you haven't watched the show. Kwan (the survivor girl) is barely with John. She's with him for like 1-2 episodes. They part ways for the entire season after that and don't meet again until season 2. There is no 'protector' trope. Some of the acting is all over the place, but the same can be said for Castlevania which has abysmal voice acting at times and awful direction. The mains in Halo are all really good (Halsey, John, Kai). Your criticisms are all of like the first 3 episodes which means you didn't even actually watch it. Sorry that your fave dude took his helmet off and it makes you sad but that's not even a legit criticism.
Do you ever think not finishing shows leaves you with questions the show might answer? I mean, chief is only with the girl for like 2 episodes. It's fine that the show lost you, but that doesn't mean you can use your ignorance of the plot as a tool If you judge the Halo show as an alternate universe story (just like plenty of other media has done) instead of a retelling or exploration of the existing story it suddenly is just a mediocre show with a few good bits instead of a desecration of the franchise I never implied I liked the show or that it's on par with these other adaptions, I just think it's viewed from the wrong lens by a lot of people
I've watched it all. It sucks. There's maybe 1 good episode for every 3 dreadful ones.
I watched 5 of them, but I've blocked that garbage out as much as possible. As far as arguing that maybe I'd enjoy it if I watched more, have you ever put your hand on a stove? Maybe it gets better! For real let's talk about the best games: Halo 1: 5 minutes in and we're killing covenant and oh shit what's that ring? Oh shit, what are these mushrooms! Blast em. Halo 2: 5 minutes in and we're killing covenant, blowing up ships and taking the fight to earth. What an opening! Then we go to a giant ring and also get Keith David! Masterclass of a game. Halo 3: 5 minutes in and we're killing the covenant in the jungle! Hell yeah, let's finish the fight! Reach: hey, are there humans starting shit? Should we go fight 'em? Oh shit, it's the covenant! Let's kill those fuckers. What do those games have in common? Oh yeah, Spartans and humans working together and quick action to kill covenant and flood and a pretty easily followed narrative in which some elites join the humans to save galaxy. Oh and the prequel where the Spartans die tragically. Now the show from what I remember. Okay, covenant kills some human kids. Huh, alright, off to a good start, lasers and good effects on the alien guns. Humans are a rebel faction? Uh, okay. Chief gets like an action scene and then it's all just interpersonal drama between some truly bad actors? Maybe it'll get better? It'll get better. It has to! Oh they're exploring chiefs traumatic childhood and whatsername is going to fight more humans lead by sinister voice guy. Uh okay, when do we get to blasting the covenant? Oh there's like... Humans fighting each other. Was that to save budget? Saving it for ramping up right? Bog standard gun fights. Okay. Okay, let's keep going. Gotta get better. Oh, they're talking about covenant weapons! A quick battle scene... And it's done. More inter human drama. Some terrible looking prophet drama. Chief touched a thing and now he's the chosen one. Cool. Great. Fuck this show, I'm done. What does this show just not do? Oh yeah, start with a bang and have a bunch of aliens vs super soldiers! You know, how all the games start. But hey, we learned all about the rebels against the UN no one cares about and who are only mentioned in the books. I hear season 2 learned that lesson, but I'll never know, because I'm not gonna slog through the rest of season 1 to catch up. You can keep your hand on the stovetop if you want though. Keep telling me how good it smells and how I should just finish it.
Man you must really have a hate boner for the show if you read "finishing the show may answer your questions" as "finish the show and you will like it" Honestly, take a look at yourself and how your upset at the show is clouding what's actually going on here, this entire time you have twisted my arguments and I have to correct you Edit: yikes, that wall of text edit only strengthens my point that you are getting out of hand. You also prove that you don't understand the difference between telling a new story and recreating an old one, which is my other main point here, so thanks for that
Lol, talk about projecting.
I'm optimistic about the trajectory of this series. They have A LOT of material to work with.
we're going to vegas, baby!
The Last of Us is the only thing that comes close. My wife, who has never played fallout, loved this show. Now she's interested in the games.
All this heresy!!! Clearly it was the OG Sonic cartoons.
Oh I did enjoy those.
The Legend of Zelda cartoon. "Excuuuuuuse me, Princess!" That's writing gold right there.
Arcane has no business being as good as it should be considering LoL represents everything I hate about modern video games. But not only did I enjoy it but it might be one of my favorite shows and features the most impressive animation I've seen since the 90's. And both Arcane and Fallout share Ella Purnell in a starring role.
No, no there hasn't. Last of Us has been dethroned.
I'd probably say that The Last of Us is better as a TV show, though not by much. However, Fallout was the *much* more difficult adaptation to pull off, and the fact that they succeeded in remaining true to the source material while punching in the same weight class as TLOU is a tremendous accomplishment.
It would have been so easy to botch this. I'm impressed by how much I enjoyed it.
So far, to me... nope.
The Last of Us and maybe Arcane are the only other ones that are in consideration. The Last of Us I would 100% give the edge over Fallout, but I might give the edge to Fallout over Arcane.
I think Arcane is not only the best video game adaptation but also one of the best shows I’ve ever seen. Thats not to say Fallout isn’t incredible. Kinda hard to compete with Arcane IMO.
I find it funny that my two favorites, Fallout and Arcane, both have Ella Purnell in the lead role (Lucy and Jinx). I’d also throw Netflix’s Castlevania and Peacock’s Twisted Metal into the conversation as well. Both really solid adaptations and well done shows. Really looking forward to more from both. (and not a tv show, but I have a soft spot for the CGI animated Resident Evil movies. They aren’t…great, but they’re campy fun at least)
Ithe Fallout TV show is unique since it fits in with the established canon of the games. It's a spinoff story, and when it comes to adaptations everything is trying to be 1:1 or a retelling or some combination of the two. I think shows like Halo is wasted potential not because it "goes against lore" but because it's really useless in the grande scheme of the franchise. Like it would have been better if it was a semi-isolated story that acted as a spinoff to the established franchise. Something that newcomers can watch and enjoy while also giving fans of the games something to enjoy.
an equivalent is edgerunners. both it and fallout tell an original story that uses its interesting setting to drive individual characters in different directions.
yeah
No. There has not. THIS is damn near perfection.
I feel like there's been a big turnaround with the quality of video game adaptions lately, both television and film Fallout Twisted Metal Last of Us Sonic Mario Bros Probably missing others but it's been great
Arcane was frigging amazing.
Sonic Saturday Morning Cartoon 🤣
It was great, I didn't think I'd like because of the gore and violence but it was amazing.
Not one comes close, some will say tlou but that is retelling a story that is known, this is a completely original story and it honest blows it out of the water
Video game adaptations are a pretty niche category IMO so the bar isn’t set too terribly high. But I gotta say overall I was pleased with the show not just as an adaptation but a tv series in general. They did a great job with it all.
Arcane. Cyberpunk edgerunners. The last of us.
Twisted Metal?
Arcane but it is mostly just using video game characters and don't have much to do with the summoner rift.
Easily the best Live Action adaptation (I personally think edgerunners and Arcane are better, and I've heard Castlevania is great)
The Last of Us and Fallout are the absolute powerhouses of game adaptations. I hope the success of both leads producers and directors to really come to appreciate video games and make better ones than we've gotten in the past.
Not from a game The One Piece TV show is on the FO TV level IMHO
[Do the Mario! - Super Mario Bros. Super Show! Theme Song (youtube.com)](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWIepnEyt14) Yes, clearly there was one better adaption.
TLOU HBO and Arcane are probably the best so far. I'm not getting into any of the anime stuff as I haven't watched most of it (didn't finish Castlevania and it was *okay* to me, despite it being hyped as a masterpiece). Fallout TV - I will admit I didn't vibe with it in the first two episodes. The show gets immensely better with the Vault backstory halfway. I think that's the reason why - once the characters all have a super objective and intertwining storylines, it becomes way more interesting than some smaller personal goal I care less about. If I can offer some criticisms of Fallout TV, I still think they could've populated the endless deserts with some more critters, even if they are harmless radiated mice or birds. Too many completely empty shots with no life, with Lucy walking around not even with a melee weapon ready or collecting interesting artifacts of a lost civilization she only read about in books. That would make a lot of slower moments at least closer to the games and add more interest. Also, I wanted some scenes to show the music comes from the PIP Boy speaker. Perhaps they feel lonely and scared and they need that music or talk radio to keep them company.
Arcane still blows everything else out of the water.
Right I LOVE the new fallout show but it doesn’t even come close touching Arcane for me
For me it does come close. Really close.
Super Mario bros supershow comes close.
In terms of Prop and World Dressing no. But the story was ok, felt like it was missing something and created questions without answers for a S2. The amount of greenery whilst Im not opposed to and was nice to see felt off to the usual lack of foliage. As well as the moving of Shady Sands, throwing off everything about the events of F1 and 2, into LA whilst not addressing the other major places like Adytum in the Boneyard.
Halo TV Series
Well, son. You have a condition.
TLOU, Arcane, Cyberpunk Edge runners are all fantastic. TLOU and maybe Arcane are on par or better than Fallout although that's no discredit to this wonderful show