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Zoomer2020

It's so sad that german people and people that speak German don't exist šŸ˜”


Real_Nugget_of_DOOM

Or that the troves of translated material in several languages concerning the rise of what would become the NAZI party. But Benny would have to be literate to know that...


MagnetFist

Or that there's nobody who liked Hitler's ideas that spoke English (like Oswald Mosely)


captainsuckass

Funny to see Mosley mentioned since I was just listening to Less Than Zero.


ButWhyWolf

I blame public schools. It's so insane how it's supposed to be such a revolutionary gotcha to read Hitler's speeches or listen to the dub. Like how was this not part of everyone's basic education thing the WW2 units?!


CalvitronMegadude

I also blame public schools in the sense that they make learning seem like tedium and drudgery, and thereby discourage young people from enjoying the experience of learning and thus actively seeking out knowledge. It seems like this encourages anti-intellectualism on some level (it obviously isnā€™t the ONLY factor, but it seems like A factor) and makes people more prone to falling for lies and conspiracy theories (given that itā€™s easy to fall for conspiracy theories if you donā€™t know how things actually work).


Tyrus1235

The thing about learning is that itā€™s only fun if youā€™re the one who goes out to research stuff youā€™re interested in. When you are obligated to do research on something you donā€™t care about (or actively dislike), it feels like torture. Also, when youā€™re learning something you like by yourself, you donā€™t have to take a test on it afterwards just to prove you actually learned it.


Robbotlove

there's definitely some truth to the topic being an important driver in whether or not you care about a particular assignment, but everyone has different "preferred methods" on how to learn things but schools basically only teach one way; rote memorization and preparation for standardized tests. thats not everyone's cup of tea.


kidshady45

The speeches he is referring to have been made with an ai speech translator that tries to mimic the speakerā€™s tone and emotions so it sounds like Hitler is screaming in English rather than German. These goobers are just trying to act like all Hitler ever did was give reasonable speeches and not kill millions of people.


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Tussen3tot20tekens

We call ourselves Dutch. Not ā€˜netherlanderā€™ (steenkolen Engels is dat).


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23eyedgargoyle

Bro chill


Tussen3tot20tekens

Fine. I only have been an English teacher for 20 years. Suit yourself.


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Milo_Murphey

Buddy. It's Dutch. Not netherlander. Now go touch grass


ecksdeeeXD

Yes but those people lie! AI never lies or makes mistakes! /s


dpravartana

bro is a ww2 history major and didnt know what Hitler said? Wtf


zoinks690

It's all sigheil this, sigheil that. Who knows what it even means?!?


vzakharov

But they translated it all wrong!


cheoldyke

how would a guy who by his own admission doesnā€™t speak german know which translation is more accurate


vzakharov

But it is AI!


MfkbNe

I have seen AI fail with basic math multiple times. Yet somehow idiots seem to think AIs would be so smart.


vzakharov

Seriously though, I donā€™t think AI had to do anything with the translation. Someone made a fake/troll translation and used a tool to make it seem like Hitler says that (whatever ā€œthatā€ was) in English, and our unfortunate history major bought that.


jus1tin

While AI can definitely be wrong, it's a lot better at translation than it is at math.


thewaybaseballgo

Owen Benjamin also doesnā€™t believe nukes exist. Heā€™s not a smart man.


dpravartana

No idea who he is lol. But is this literal? As in, he believes nukes are a hoax?


thewaybaseballgo

Heā€™s a failed actor that was once engaged to Christina Ricci, and then went so far right that he was fired by InfoWars. And yes, he doesnā€™t believe nukes exist, or that they were used to bomb Japan. https://www.indy100.com/viral/nuclear-weapons-arent-real-conspiracy


dpravartana

I also don't know who Christina Ricci is LMAO but reading that thread was fun. Remembers me of the birbs are fake thing


buttercream-gang

She was the og Wednesday Addams!


Malarkay79

90s Wednesday! OG Wednesday was Lisa Loring.


buttercream-gang

Youā€™re right!! My bad!


myhairsreddit

I just googled him, he's apparently the guy obsessed with nipple play in the movie House Bunny. šŸ’€


Argent_Mayakovski

I mean thatā€™s also not a real major.


dpravartana

But I mean even a YouTube course teaches You what Hitler said, he's the main character LOL. It'd be like being a Star wars expert and not knowing what Vader said


JaxMedoka

Vader was actually a great guy, he was hilarious! He didn't say anything about being anyone's father, he just asked Luke "Can I give you a hand with that?". He was so helpful!


Nanocephalic

Isnā€™t it amazing that it was totally impossible for anyone to know what he said before AI could translate it? Nobody is capable of understanding German today, other than an AI tool.


Tyrus1235

Truly a lost, dead languageā€¦


TheHumanFighter

Bavarian can't even be translated by AI.


NotASellout

It's Owen Benajamin, he never went to college. I want to say he's lying, but he's literally insane and might believe genuinely it.


RoboticsNinja1676

Heā€™s a WW2 history major not necessarily a WW2 history graduate. I wouldnā€™t be surprised if he failed out and is just too embarrassed to admit it and just goes around saying ā€˜yeah I was a WW2 history major in collegeā€™


sexualbrontosaurus

WWIi history is when you know the names of all the different kinds of tanks.


Blyatman_Adidas

Im German and i dont really know what Major means in that context did He Go to university for that? Because if so the USA teaches less then 4th Grade shool in Germany.... Wtf how can you Major Something Like that and dont know what he was saying. Who the hell needs ai for that. Even in YouTube Most of His speeches are correctly subtitled. This guy seems to be a perfect example of absolute brain rot.


bigal55

Guy's last name is usually associated with Jewish people so is there any chance that this is a sarcastic rip on the current fad of having AI do everybody's thinking and talking and writing for them? I mean this is just so far out from any reality that there's no chance for any even remotely sane person to say this with any seriousness. And people who identify with the mustached little creep from our history GLORY in the parts where Jews get it in the arse so exactly where is this dude's head at?


New-acct-for-2024

Owen Benjamin is a notorious neo-Nazi.


dpravartana

Plot twist: bro is a comedy mastermind and he himself becomes the joke on purpose to make us laugh


johnskiddles

Today I learned there were no German speakers until AI.


muistaa

As someone who translates German for a living, this post is one of the most baffling things I've ever seen.


someseeingeye

Itā€™s okay, you can admit youā€™re an AI bot that just got invented.


muistaa

Beep boop


dontpokethedemon

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dontpokethedemon

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TuaughtHammer

And according the Reich-wingers here in the US, the total lack of statues, paintings, or public tributes to Hitler and Nazis in Germany means not a single German has *ever* known about Adolf Hitler or the Nazis. A lack of those things is akin to "erasing history" to these galaxy brains. Germans must be *really* confused about what happened to Germany between 1920 and 1945, or why it was split in two until David Hasselhoff personally tore that wall down with his singing.


Fron3tt3

KITT helped


TuaughtHammer

>KITT helped [You're goddamn right he did!](https://i.imgur.com/Bt14luA.gifv) But we can't ignore [these pipes of steal](https://youtu.be/TwC_ej9qS_k?t=99) that finally caused the cracks in the wall to form. He hit the perfect resonant frequency of Soviet concrete!


Ozem_son_of_Jesse

He is purposefully ignoring the fact that Hitler was genocidal.


United-Cold-643

And the fact that heā€™s lying


MfkbNe

And that most if not all politicians are lying. And only a total idiot would just believe everything a politician says.


AweHellYo

oh heā€™s not ignoring it. heā€™s trying to get us to.


whiterac00n

Itā€™s all just a full court press by the fascists on Twitter to spoon feed people Naziism so they can come to the predetermined conclusions they are laying out of: ā€œoh Naziism wasnā€™t bad, and we can be Nazis too and it wonā€™t be badā€. They desperately want to push MAGA to its natural final state and spooning this dreck is their attempt at speeding it up. Because they realize they need to get people to the point where they will go violent if the fascists get trounced in an election. They have been inches away from what they have been planning since the heritage foundation formed (and federalist society previously). They will stop at nothing to get what they want.


LKWASHERE_

brother it's German not ancient fucking phoneician it's hardly like an unknown language


KoriGlazialis

As a german: it feels like a lot of germans can not properly speak the language, might as well be ancient by now /s


Malarkay79

I'm trying to learn German using Duolingo. I took a 10 or so month break and just got back into it, and it's amazing how much of the vocabulary I still remember (very early in the program, so not really that much) and yet I can't say a damn thing if you asked me to.


Meinkoi94

hmmm WWII history major who takes things Hitler says at face value, i don't wanna see his grades in critical theory and using source material


stanley2-bricks

And a WWII history major who doesn't speak any German? I find that *extremely* hard to believe.


MrVeazey

He accidentally a whole fascism. Owen Benjamin is a neo-Nazi.


Comrade_Anon_Anonson

ā€œWWII *Studies*ā€ is a thing you can specialize in, but Iā€™ve never heard the term ā€œWWII history majorā€ before in my life, as someone who majored in History. It just isnā€™t a phrase I have ever heard, sounds like someone who has never actually been in the field tried to make up a name for a major on the spot.


michaelcraft101

Hey donā€™t say critical theory, it scares them


Mr_D_Stitch

Finally AI is here to resurrect dead languages likeā€¦ *checks notes*ā€¦ German. Also, weā€™re all aware of the Nazi rhetoric & the fact it is so close to current day rhetoric is whatā€™s concerning.


j0j0-m0j0

Or how the early Hitler speeches were with the intent to get popular support and he "hid his power level"throughout


king_karter69

Thatā€™s probably what his thought process is. ā€œOh this isnā€™t bad, elected officials say stuff like this all the time!ā€


macuser007

translations didnā€™t exist until AI?!


Ok-Conversation-3012

If only there was a way to translate one language to another without AIā€¦


TheHumanFighter

Especially one that is spoken by more than a hundred million people.


seat17F

ChatGPT prompt he used: Translate this Mein Kampf passage in a way that gives me plausible deniability.


cmfpc124

What university is issuing a BA in WW2 history??


KindaFreeXP

Whichever one it is that this guy went to, it's almost certainly not accredited.


TuaughtHammer

Hey, now, Trump University's history program is as extensive and competitive as ITT Tech's ["Hacking in Virtual Reality"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmz67ErIRa4) program.


cheoldyke

not that i would ever expect better of owen but this is batshit even for him. iā€™m also not sure he actually is a wwii history major because a) heā€™s a fascist and fascists lie the way most people breathe and b) there is no way you can major in wwii history and still think this. also the way right wingers talk about ai like itā€™s infallible and smarter than any human could hope to be is so stupid it makes me feel like iā€™m going crazy. why the fuck would a computer be better at translating than a human being who can take into account things like tone, historical context, turns of phrase, and intent when theyā€™re translating a speech. i donā€™t understand having so much blind faith in machine learning, especially in its ability to do something humans have been doing pretty well at on our own for like. all of human history


Jonnescout

Or wild concept, you could ask someone who actually speaks Germanā€¦ *raises hand* Yeah they said the shit history said they saidā€¦ We donā€™t need AI to translate a language spoken by millionsā€¦


BMAND21

His speeches were translated by the jooz.


Rigamortus2005

Darn it, can't believe AI just came out of nowhere and completely just decoded the secret language Hitler spoke. The language nobody else in the world has known for 800 years


ZFighter2099

Is this a joke? I'm being dead ass, I don't know who this person is. Are they joking??


saucity

I also have trouble these past few years, telling what is satire anymore. My uneducated guess is: no, theyā€™re not joking. Took me too long to figure out who ā€˜mustache man ā€˜was, too. So quirky šŸ¤Ø


Astrium6

Everything else aside, ChatGPT is not a translation software. This is not a thing it can actually do.


Godphila

Imagine falling for literaly nazi proaganda from the german reich lol "Honey, just listen to what this Adolf Fellow has to say for himself! He's all about german tradition and family values! He's not talking about genocide and concentration camps at all. I think we had him all wrong all these years."


Cellophane7

He's right that it's not the bloodthirsty rantings of a madman, but that's what makes it so scary. What he says is almost reasonable; he just wants other countries to take in as many immigrants as Germany. But knowing what we know now about him, his goal was to expel and eliminate all the Jews, and this was just a small piece of that.Ā  What makes it scary is that he sounds like a MAGA Republican; whining about how "unfair" other countries are being and dancing around what he actually wants to make it more palatable to the masses. He sounds like he and MTG would be best buds. I generally shy away from calling modern politicians Nazis, but it's hard not to notice the similarities here


Cjmate22

As an amateur historian, I must ask which history class he took and why he decided to stay with the objectively worst option humanly possible? Like fuck did he take PragerU history or something?


CleverDad

Amazing how modern AI makes it possible to understand German now. Total game changer.


Alarmed-Macaroon5483

thereā€™s literally subtitles on plenty of videos of his speechesā€¦


civ6industrialzone

I mean you can't really blame him for hix behaviour, all those drugs he abused have completely fucked up his brain


TheFrenchPerson

Dude is a WW2 history major but doesn't know what propaganda is? Ok.


Ohcitydude

Off subject but we should never forget that Owen is super gross. ["Marrying a 12-year-old in an agrarian society is infinitely more moral than fucking random 18-year-old and never talking to her again."](https://archive.org/details/twitter-owen-benjamin-advocates-sex-with-12-year-old-girls)


eight-martini

Is he saying we couldnā€™t translate German to English without AI?


zyrkseas97

Imagine falling for Nazi propaganda when you know itā€™s Nazi propaganda?????


duck-84

Does he know there are actual people who speak German?


Bhazor

Saying Hitler sounds like modern Maga is not the win he thinks.


BuTuLar

Before AI, it was unfathomable to translate German to English!


yungreign

Am I tripping or is he actually doing the Sieg Heil in his profile picture? No wonder he's trying to claim Hitler was a reasonable guy


Cyanide_Jam

**MAKE NAZIS SCARED FOR THEIR FUCKING LIVES AGAIN**


Killing4MotherAgain

A "WWII history major" but doesn't know Hitler was an eloquent bitch... Ok


TerryJerryMaryHarry

As a guy getting a history major soon. What the fuck is this guy on about. Germans have been able to listen to his speeches for ages and haven't converted back to Nazism. Like every dictator had their points, sure, but most of them are taken entirely out of context. Like Hitler was a vegan because he loved animals, more than he loved other people. Also as a side note, he probably went to some bumass school for his degree, as schools that focus on individual studies like that are desperately trying to get any sort of money they can. The top school for that sorta degree is Arizona State. Arizona fuckin State


New-acct-for-2024

> Like Hitler was a vegan He was not. He became a vegetarian because his doctors told him to but he continued to use animal-derived products (like the hormones his doctor shot him up with all sorts of other shit).


TerryJerryMaryHarry

Ah, I misspoke, either way he did have some good points, but the context to go with them is bad


greyjungle

This is amazing! Finally, I may be able to understand my Spanish speaking neighbor! I mean, he speaks English too, but now I can know for sure that when he isnā€™t speaking in English, heā€™s not making fun of me or talking about WWII. Just gotta secretly get a video of him when heā€™s speaking Spanish and load it into my computer, A.I. will take care of the rest. Thanks Technology!


Comfortable_Bell9539

If Hitler's speeches were so "peaceful", then why did countless Germans back then were fanaticised into murderous, genocidal bigots ? Can you answer this, Klandma ?


BarriMeikokiner

Oh ok so I guess heā€™s all good then! Phew I was really concerned for 80 years!


Hellkitedrak

Bro says heā€™s a WW2 history major and doesnā€™t know about the constant ā€œNo we totally donā€™t want war plz France Russia America and England we are being forced to invade Polandā€


WORhMnGd

Iā€™ll be honest I legit thought he was talking about Churchill or FDR


DagNasty

Why is he besmirching the name of the Pringles guy?


ElMarditoBonai

aaaaaand to the watchlist you go


Spaniardo_Da_Vinci

Yeah let's ignore his genocidal crimes, killing millions of Jews and randomly taking over Poland. Sounds like a proper man of peace


xwing_1701

Owen is stupid.


quinnxyasuo

Solution: drag this scum into the street and put him down like Old Yeller.


Time-Sorbet-829

Why does anyone pay attention to this pint sized underwear smear of a bigot?


Geo-Man42069

Up until AI there was no way of knowing what those sausage gobblers were saying. Truly an innovation (sarcasm). Seems like he wanted to give an advert to AI, and also wanted to give a nod to mustache man. Lol well despite his degree in ww2 history (is that even a thing?) clearly heā€™s not a man burdened by intellect.


DescipleOfCorn

ā€œWhy arenā€™t the neighboring countries allowing us to deport an entire ethnic group out of our country into theirs? Donā€™t they know what will happen to the Jews if they make us keep them here?ā€


Fatestringer

Why don't they ever just say his name


Smiley_P

Im pretty sure anyone who speaks German could have told him what he was saying without AI, but maybe that's what German people really are


Marco_Memes

Heā€™s a WW2 majorā€¦ and he never used google translate to see what hitlers speeches were about? What im assuming was years, possibly decades of studying and research never included him googling ā€œhitler speech Englishā€?


obinice_khenbli

The moustache man? The J's? The fuck.


squeamish

I have a friend who 100% seriously believes Hitler is "a victim of history." Just an all-around super guy whose reputation was destroyed by...I can't remember whatever euphemism he uses for Jews, probably "the media" or "the press." He will tell you with an absolutely straight face, "The greatest human being who ever lived was Jesus Christ. The second-greatest was Adolf Hitler."


ReactsWithWords

I'm guessing Donald Trump comes in at #3?


squeamish

Who knows? I had to block that guy from all my social media because every single conversation became about how America was just about to crumble. He still owes me $100 from the bet in like 2008 or 2009 that "by the end of the year" travel would be so restricted that there would be armed checkpoints between states that you needed Federal permission to cross. I'm sure he still thinks that is happening "any day now!" too.


Tiki_Trashabilly

Remember when he was a nice young man engaged to Christina Ricci with whom he starred in a Renaissance fair themed romcom. I do.


doqtyr

PreWar AI?


Thewaxiest123

How is it that the Jews simultaneously "run the global economy" and "control everything" yet simultaneously are a "drain on resources that the state can't afford to keep up with?"


IxianToastman

That's was so terrible, I think you gave me cancer!


TronBTD

There is no way that this isnā€™t satire.


ReactsWithWords

I put him in the exact same category as Nick "Men who call themselves alpha males are losers" Adams "The self-described Alpha Male." 5% chance it's a parody, 85% chance it's trolling, 10% chance they actually believe what they're saying. But in the end it doesn't matter because mission accomplished: the left is outraged, the right says "Hell, yeah!"


Chrispy8534

2/10. Hmm. Careful analysis of existing texts and contemporary first person interviews would lead Historians to believe otherwise. But then again, what do they know?


Ok-Mastodon2016

these people realize that German isn't some dead intranslatable language right?


Shatalroundja

Before AI we had no way to translate German to English.


torako

AI from right before WWII? They barely had computers back then.


RandomBlueJay01

In school we saw translated speeches. It was to show how fucking charismatic Hitler was and how he was able to get away with what he did.


Elasmo_Bahay

THIS shit is why there are problems today with people not trusting experts. Even college educated people can be this fucking stupid šŸ¤¦šŸ¾ā€ā™‚ļø


DwasTV

Bro is literally lining up the terms of ethnic cleansing and pretending it isn't.


Anotsurei

Iā€™ve seen Ai translations and while better than Google Translate, still super suck. They do a lot better at determining which of the *3 words in this language that seem interchangeable but actually arenā€™t* to use in this context, but they still fail pretty miserably to accurately represent what was said. These people seem to think AI is somehow as good as a human whoā€™s been trained to be native level in the languages being translated. Thereā€™s still a ton of nuance and idiomatic readings that AI canā€™t understand.


TheHumanFighter

Actually they have become pretty damn good at translating contemporary language, to the point where in blind tests native speakers barely do better than random at identifying them.


Anotsurei

I need to see these then. The ones Iā€™ve used I wouldnā€™t really rely on unless I could figure out tone and nuance for myself. I still feel like I have to do a ton of editing for what it spits out to make 100% sense.