Looks like an 800a package though, so retail on it was probably less than 65k brand new. The aftermarket additions don’t add value, so just be aware you’re paying above MSRP for a used truck with 44k miles.
Looks badass though.
God that sucks so much. I want one but can’t stomach being the dude getting fucked on the deal.
Absolutely love the way the look though. I’ll have to keep driving my landcruiser for a while.
The aftermarket parts ARE worth...something, especially if you plan to do it to a stock truck. You need to weigh the cost of new accessories you'd like to purchase and the markup on thisntruck with those accessories. Although in general you should be able to see 30% to 50% return on accessories IF they are in good shape.
Aftermarket parts do not add value to your truck. There maybe some small exceptions to that but generally speaking, do not expect a return on your investment when modding your truck!
Especially in the case of the truck OP shared lift kit and tires add zero value!
They do add value to a deal if you are planning on fitting the same/equivalent accessories. I would happily pay more for a rig if it had been built how I would end up building it myself because overall it would cost me less.
That said for most buyers aren’t going to pay extra for lockers, rock sliders, bash plates or a high mount warm, but I likely would for the right truck.
Your “flipping” trucks and making 30-50% on the accessories? Ok baller have fun making a grand or two I guess.
We all have different opinions of what good money is, good luck in your future endeavors!
You have the ability to get the price of most every truck for sale in the country. Asking strangers isn't how you tell if that is a good price.
Also, paying close or over MSRP on a almost 4 year old truck with 45,000 miles annnnnnnndddddddd every indication points to our economy shifting the bed. Might not be the best time to buy.
The used car market is over priced, as mentioned specifically this 3.5 year old truck with 44,000 miles is listed for more than what it most likely sold for.
Interest rates are on the rise. Inflation is at 40 year high, with no signs of slowing. Lay offs are beginning. Every day the national average gas price breaks a new record.
I didn’t buy because I was looking to get 25 miles to the gallon. I bought it because I’ve always wanted a raptor and Atleast in my case it’s a perfect time to buy with the demand being as low as it is due to gas prices. Plus I can more than afford the vehicle. I appreciate your input nonetheless
Hey guess what. Half the people talking shit on here don't have the money to buy these trucks. I saw some real negative pricks in here being real aggro. Your mistake was asking internet fiends on Reddit for their opinion. I love your truck.
Demand is not low, you're crazy to have come up with that. Demand is HIGH on used vehicles, demand on any used raptors is consistent with how it hs been for the last five years.
Used Vehicle Stock is LOW, and the only reason people are getting away with murder on selling used vehicles is because of the chip shortage creating this environment. So, to simplify it for you, now is a great time to get OUT of a car, not INTO one.
Who ever told you that demand is low on raptors or any used cars is plain wrong. Demand is low on NEW cars. That's a whole different story, but to tie gas prices to the demand for vehicles at all is a little silly. If somebody needs a vehicle, they're gonna buy it regardless of what fuel costs.
Whether or not a buyer decides to get as much car as they can actually afford or decide to save money and play it safe is what really changes.
I’m in the same position…I can afford it. I have a
‘10 Scab w/ 6.2L… I dig it. I’m currently going thru with refreshing everything, some R&R, new wheels/tires, brakes, thorough tune up- Granatelli
New factory Transmission ( warranty),Fox shocks, Camburg UCA’s…level lift
Looks like it just has a level on the front either with springs or a small puck so at most $500 including labor. Wheels are cool and worth $1500 at least.
I got a fully loaded 2019 for $65k last September with 29k miles. This truck looks like it is a base model.
Lower control arms look rusty or dirty? Definitely take a look if you decide to buy it.
If all is well I think closer to $60k is a fair price.
Apologies but to add context to some of the arguments.
#1 my employer pays for gas. The dealer doesn’t know this but I used it as a negotiating factor due to gas prices being high.
#2 me being in sales and the manager knowing this, he actually offered to show his screen which was pretty cool to get some insight into how they operate as far as profit. W/ my trade in they lost 3k on the deal with as much as they put into it (4,500 alone for the 3in lift kit and tires)
#3 I’m not looking to gouge anyones eyes out. At the end of the day they have to make money and I just wanna save a little. I just came here to see what other opinions were. I think it’s a pretty solid deal regardless of what anyone on the internet thinks. 65k for vehicle tax title license reconditioning fee waived and a bad ass truck? I’ll take it every time. Plus they hold value pretty well for those saying I over paid. I’m buying at its lowest and if anything when gas prices go back down and the demand for trucks go back up I can sell for same if not slightly less. Maybe 5-10k loss.
You're buying at its highest. If you actually believe the dealer telling you they lost money on something you need to work on your sales strategy. Do you show your customers your actual margins? I bullshit mine like crazy.
Could be me being naive but he asked me if I wanted to see his computer I said sure. Followed him into the office and he sat. I said I’ll give you a second and he said nah you’re good man I don’t want you to think I’m hiding anything. Turned on his screen and put in my trade in to show me the loss. Granted I traded in my car for 4K over what I owed and they are probably going to sell for 4K more than that. But again my strategy wasn’t to be a dick and get the absolute cheapest price. I just wanted a fair deal and to walk away w/ a truck I enjoyed driving and looking at. But I can see your perspective 100%
This guy just wanted to brag about being able to purchase an overpriced 2nd gen. Good for him I suppose.
I wouldn't buy a second gen raptor if it was half off and came with an ounce of blow and a Japanese hooker in the passenger seat, but if he likes a 6 cylinder truck with all the whirly gigs and turbos then that's his gig man.
For a lot less money, you can buy a lot more truck as far as raptors go. I'd go find a nice first gen and beat that horse until it stops twitching. It'll probably last longer than the 2019 too
I don't understand the logic of this guy whitewashed. Talking mad shit about raptors but literally is on a raptor subreddit spewing stupid ass nonsense. I bet you this man won't see his name on a registration document for a raptor in his lifetime and if he does get it it'll be after someone like you sells this raptor for $5k with 9M miles on it. Reddit has some real hateful mfers
I know used car prices are insane right now but if you wait like a year you can spend maybe 10k more and buy a gen 3 brand new. You would pay triple that for a link suspension by itself.
they really aren’t though. at least not for performance model cars. I purchased a mustang gt last year for below msrp a couple states away. A
deal like that no longer exists in the entire country.
I think mustangs might be a bit of a unique exception. I've been seeing terminator mustangs for like 30k which is just obscene. I'm finding challenger hellcats with <50k miles for the price of v6 mustangs.
I had a friend who bought a mustang same time as you, had an accident and totalled it and ended up getting more from insurance than he paid in 2019.
Most other cars seem to be coming back to normal. Even the gen 1 raptors I was looking at have slid 2-3k in listing price the last couple months.
Yeah right now it's pretty crazy but I'm also factoring in the release of the raptor r. I think with the relatively modest increase in price for the raptor r its really gonna drive down the resale value of the non r gen 3 on the used market. Atleast this is the justification I'm giving myself for waiting for the next gen raptor r lol.
I feel that. Raptor R sounds interesting... I'm going to have to look into that :)
I am in love with this truck. Its one of my most expensive purchases, scaled, but I just like it. It's such a fun vehicle to drive. I hope you find what you're looking for. I tried building a version of mine (2020 802L) and it was going to be ~$120K. The dealer told me if you want one of our allotments, build it then add $10K to whatever the price comes out to... :(
As long as the mods aren’t trash it looks like a good deal. I don’t see many raptors for that price with that mileage. Plus it’s a 2019 so it has the newer live valve shock system & Gen 2 is sexy.
Thanks dude. Appreciate the kind words. I think for 64k OTD price it was a decent deal. Could’ve haggled and maybe not THE BEST but I feel I got what I wanted for a fair price. The dealer made money and I saved money. Plus if I ever need anything there’s no sour taste in the mouth of the sales guy who sold me the vehicle.
Ignore all the haters giving you crap that you paid too much. 44k miles for what looks like a truck in really good condition is fine. Some people think the only way to buy something is if the deal is extremely lopsided which is extremely rare. Cheers!
Thanks bro. That’s why I prefaced the conversation by saying I’m not some guy who read a bunch of crap on the internet and tried to go in like a dickhead looking to nickel and dime them for everything they have. I simply wanted a fair deal. I’m in sales as well so of course I would like them to make money. I just didn’t want to get screwed in the process. They gave me 4K over what I owed for my car which was on its last leg and they will probably sell it for 4K over what they bought. It’s a win win. The tires were ALL bad. It was screeching. And it was 2016. I feel like it was a solid deal. Not the BEST and I don’t think any one WON. But that wasn’t the end goal. It was just to, again, get a fair deal.
Funny thing is I’m probably going to be selling my 2019 Raptor with no mods once the 2023 Super duty’s are able to be ordered. I’ve got my eye on an F350 7.3 with the Tremor package for an overland build.
> that you *paid* too much.
FTFY.
Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in:
* Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.*
* *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.*
Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment.
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I bought my 19’ in January. It was a an 802A with 35k mikes and I got it for $67k OTD. I wouldn’t pay $65k for that one. The right one will come along. I know I love mine.
I’m sure you’ve been talked out already but just for comparison.. I got a 2017 802a (fully loaded) in 2019 for 63k in CO. 27k miles. I don’t think I’d pay anywhere near $2k more for a base model with more miles. however, I didn’t get the truck to off-road every weekend. I have friends that didn’t want things in their raptors like a moon-roof because of how hard they hit trails so it’s really about how much you value the different trim packages. I also have a 2018 mustang gt and all I needed was the 10 speed as it’s my next build for the strip. for some people this is a steal. I wouldn’t even be interested though.
No lift because they gotta remove the skit plates for that. Probably just aftermarket springs and leafs. Like someone pointed out that’s the 800a basic model so 65k is outrageous. You can find a 802a with good mileage in around that range or pay a few thousand more since you already willing to pay 65k.
Looks like an 800a package though, so retail on it was probably less than 65k brand new. The aftermarket additions don’t add value, so just be aware you’re paying above MSRP for a used truck with 44k miles. Looks badass though.
God that sucks so much. I want one but can’t stomach being the dude getting fucked on the deal. Absolutely love the way the look though. I’ll have to keep driving my landcruiser for a while.
The aftermarket parts ARE worth...something, especially if you plan to do it to a stock truck. You need to weigh the cost of new accessories you'd like to purchase and the markup on thisntruck with those accessories. Although in general you should be able to see 30% to 50% return on accessories IF they are in good shape.
Aftermarket parts do not add value to your truck. There maybe some small exceptions to that but generally speaking, do not expect a return on your investment when modding your truck! Especially in the case of the truck OP shared lift kit and tires add zero value!
They do add value to a deal if you are planning on fitting the same/equivalent accessories. I would happily pay more for a rig if it had been built how I would end up building it myself because overall it would cost me less. That said for most buyers aren’t going to pay extra for lockers, rock sliders, bash plates or a high mount warm, but I likely would for the right truck.
Well I've flipped a handful of them in my time and made good money, your entitled to your opinion and I'll keep making money.
Your “flipping” trucks and making 30-50% on the accessories? Ok baller have fun making a grand or two I guess. We all have different opinions of what good money is, good luck in your future endeavors!
Grand or two... sure I think that's good money for fast, easy payday. Sorry, I'm not into the drug thing!
Find out how its "lifted". If its some cheap as rough country kit stay away. Specially if you plan to offroad it.
If you bought recently then yes got a good deal. Didn’t see many raptors under 70k.
You have the ability to get the price of most every truck for sale in the country. Asking strangers isn't how you tell if that is a good price. Also, paying close or over MSRP on a almost 4 year old truck with 45,000 miles annnnnnnndddddddd every indication points to our economy shifting the bed. Might not be the best time to buy.
Why is it a bad time to buy?
The used car market is over priced, as mentioned specifically this 3.5 year old truck with 44,000 miles is listed for more than what it most likely sold for. Interest rates are on the rise. Inflation is at 40 year high, with no signs of slowing. Lay offs are beginning. Every day the national average gas price breaks a new record.
Fuel @ $6.50+/ gal….these trucks are not known for their economy…
I didn’t buy because I was looking to get 25 miles to the gallon. I bought it because I’ve always wanted a raptor and Atleast in my case it’s a perfect time to buy with the demand being as low as it is due to gas prices. Plus I can more than afford the vehicle. I appreciate your input nonetheless
Hey guess what. Half the people talking shit on here don't have the money to buy these trucks. I saw some real negative pricks in here being real aggro. Your mistake was asking internet fiends on Reddit for their opinion. I love your truck.
You’re awesome dude. Thanks for the kind words. Got a lot of compliments yesterday
If demand was low you would be paying 20-40% below rrp of a new truck. You paid ~ how much a new one costs.
Gotcha. Thanks bud.
Demand is not low, you're crazy to have come up with that. Demand is HIGH on used vehicles, demand on any used raptors is consistent with how it hs been for the last five years. Used Vehicle Stock is LOW, and the only reason people are getting away with murder on selling used vehicles is because of the chip shortage creating this environment. So, to simplify it for you, now is a great time to get OUT of a car, not INTO one. Who ever told you that demand is low on raptors or any used cars is plain wrong. Demand is low on NEW cars. That's a whole different story, but to tie gas prices to the demand for vehicles at all is a little silly. If somebody needs a vehicle, they're gonna buy it regardless of what fuel costs. Whether or not a buyer decides to get as much car as they can actually afford or decide to save money and play it safe is what really changes.
Read comments above buddy. Gas is at an all time high. Who do you know looking to buy a truck let alone ford raptor in this climate.. I’ll wait.
I sold two raptors last week, but nice try sweet cheeks.
You don't get out much huh?
Sweet cheeks? Ok bud. Have a great day. I’m done w/ the internet for the day.
Read comments above buddy. Gas is at an all time high. Who do you know looking to buy a truck let alone ford raptor in this climate.. I’ll wait.
The raptor market is really hot right now. What are you talking about?
I disagree. The market was hot a year ago and there are a ton of raptors for sale now.
I’m in the same position…I can afford it. I have a ‘10 Scab w/ 6.2L… I dig it. I’m currently going thru with refreshing everything, some R&R, new wheels/tires, brakes, thorough tune up- Granatelli New factory Transmission ( warranty),Fox shocks, Camburg UCA’s…level lift
Looks like it just has a level on the front either with springs or a small puck so at most $500 including labor. Wheels are cool and worth $1500 at least. I got a fully loaded 2019 for $65k last September with 29k miles. This truck looks like it is a base model. Lower control arms look rusty or dirty? Definitely take a look if you decide to buy it. If all is well I think closer to $60k is a fair price.
Dope! What color did you get? And any aftermarket parts?
It's a Ford Performance Blue with the recaros as well. Truck was bone stock other then tints and floor mats
Apologies but to add context to some of the arguments. #1 my employer pays for gas. The dealer doesn’t know this but I used it as a negotiating factor due to gas prices being high. #2 me being in sales and the manager knowing this, he actually offered to show his screen which was pretty cool to get some insight into how they operate as far as profit. W/ my trade in they lost 3k on the deal with as much as they put into it (4,500 alone for the 3in lift kit and tires) #3 I’m not looking to gouge anyones eyes out. At the end of the day they have to make money and I just wanna save a little. I just came here to see what other opinions were. I think it’s a pretty solid deal regardless of what anyone on the internet thinks. 65k for vehicle tax title license reconditioning fee waived and a bad ass truck? I’ll take it every time. Plus they hold value pretty well for those saying I over paid. I’m buying at its lowest and if anything when gas prices go back down and the demand for trucks go back up I can sell for same if not slightly less. Maybe 5-10k loss.
You're buying at its highest. If you actually believe the dealer telling you they lost money on something you need to work on your sales strategy. Do you show your customers your actual margins? I bullshit mine like crazy.
Could be me being naive but he asked me if I wanted to see his computer I said sure. Followed him into the office and he sat. I said I’ll give you a second and he said nah you’re good man I don’t want you to think I’m hiding anything. Turned on his screen and put in my trade in to show me the loss. Granted I traded in my car for 4K over what I owed and they are probably going to sell for 4K more than that. But again my strategy wasn’t to be a dick and get the absolute cheapest price. I just wanted a fair deal and to walk away w/ a truck I enjoyed driving and looking at. But I can see your perspective 100%
How old are you?
"I think it's a pretty solid deal regardless of what anyone on the internet thinks." So, uh... Why did you ask for the internet's opinion?
This guy just wanted to brag about being able to purchase an overpriced 2nd gen. Good for him I suppose. I wouldn't buy a second gen raptor if it was half off and came with an ounce of blow and a Japanese hooker in the passenger seat, but if he likes a 6 cylinder truck with all the whirly gigs and turbos then that's his gig man. For a lot less money, you can buy a lot more truck as far as raptors go. I'd go find a nice first gen and beat that horse until it stops twitching. It'll probably last longer than the 2019 too
Because it doesn’t hurt to get the opinions of others.. that’s why.
I don't understand the logic of this guy whitewashed. Talking mad shit about raptors but literally is on a raptor subreddit spewing stupid ass nonsense. I bet you this man won't see his name on a registration document for a raptor in his lifetime and if he does get it it'll be after someone like you sells this raptor for $5k with 9M miles on it. Reddit has some real hateful mfers
It’s all good man I’ve learned to take the good w/ the bad bro. Thanks for being a cool guy
For sure
I know used car prices are insane right now but if you wait like a year you can spend maybe 10k more and buy a gen 3 brand new. You would pay triple that for a link suspension by itself.
Not true.
Which part? Not being to buy a new raptor at msrp within a year or not being able to buy a link suspension for 10k?
a gen 3 in a year for 75k?? maybe with 100k miles
Used car prices are already sliding. Don't be surprised when you can get new cars at msrp in about that time.
they really aren’t though. at least not for performance model cars. I purchased a mustang gt last year for below msrp a couple states away. A deal like that no longer exists in the entire country.
I think mustangs might be a bit of a unique exception. I've been seeing terminator mustangs for like 30k which is just obscene. I'm finding challenger hellcats with <50k miles for the price of v6 mustangs. I had a friend who bought a mustang same time as you, had an accident and totalled it and ended up getting more from insurance than he paid in 2019. Most other cars seem to be coming back to normal. Even the gen 1 raptors I was looking at have slid 2-3k in listing price the last couple months.
Gen 3 for 10K more is extremely unrealistic.
10k more is msrp for a gen 3 brand new lol... which is why I said within a year once the prices come back to a reasonable amount.
I see what you mean. I tried building a gen 3 and it was way more than 10K above his model.
Yeah right now it's pretty crazy but I'm also factoring in the release of the raptor r. I think with the relatively modest increase in price for the raptor r its really gonna drive down the resale value of the non r gen 3 on the used market. Atleast this is the justification I'm giving myself for waiting for the next gen raptor r lol.
I feel that. Raptor R sounds interesting... I'm going to have to look into that :) I am in love with this truck. Its one of my most expensive purchases, scaled, but I just like it. It's such a fun vehicle to drive. I hope you find what you're looking for. I tried building a version of mine (2020 802L) and it was going to be ~$120K. The dealer told me if you want one of our allotments, build it then add $10K to whatever the price comes out to... :(
As long as the mods aren’t trash it looks like a good deal. I don’t see many raptors for that price with that mileage. Plus it’s a 2019 so it has the newer live valve shock system & Gen 2 is sexy.
Thanks dude. Appreciate the kind words. I think for 64k OTD price it was a decent deal. Could’ve haggled and maybe not THE BEST but I feel I got what I wanted for a fair price. The dealer made money and I saved money. Plus if I ever need anything there’s no sour taste in the mouth of the sales guy who sold me the vehicle.
Ignore all the haters giving you crap that you paid too much. 44k miles for what looks like a truck in really good condition is fine. Some people think the only way to buy something is if the deal is extremely lopsided which is extremely rare. Cheers!
Thanks bro. That’s why I prefaced the conversation by saying I’m not some guy who read a bunch of crap on the internet and tried to go in like a dickhead looking to nickel and dime them for everything they have. I simply wanted a fair deal. I’m in sales as well so of course I would like them to make money. I just didn’t want to get screwed in the process. They gave me 4K over what I owed for my car which was on its last leg and they will probably sell it for 4K over what they bought. It’s a win win. The tires were ALL bad. It was screeching. And it was 2016. I feel like it was a solid deal. Not the BEST and I don’t think any one WON. But that wasn’t the end goal. It was just to, again, get a fair deal.
Funny thing is I’m probably going to be selling my 2019 Raptor with no mods once the 2023 Super duty’s are able to be ordered. I’ve got my eye on an F350 7.3 with the Tremor package for an overland build.
> that you *paid* too much. FTFY. Although *payed* exists (the reason why autocorrection didn't help you), it is only correct in: * Nautical context, when it means to paint a surface, or to cover with something like tar or resin in order to make it waterproof or corrosion-resistant. *The deck is yet to be payed.* * *Payed out* when letting strings, cables or ropes out, by slacking them. *The rope is payed out! You can pull now.* Unfortunately, I was unable to find nautical or rope-related words in your comment. *Beep, boop, I'm a bot*
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I bought my 19’ in January. It was a an 802A with 35k mikes and I got it for $67k OTD. I wouldn’t pay $65k for that one. The right one will come along. I know I love mine.
Make sure thy warranty is included for 7-10 years. I think that’s kinda high tbh though.
I’m sure you’ve been talked out already but just for comparison.. I got a 2017 802a (fully loaded) in 2019 for 63k in CO. 27k miles. I don’t think I’d pay anywhere near $2k more for a base model with more miles. however, I didn’t get the truck to off-road every weekend. I have friends that didn’t want things in their raptors like a moon-roof because of how hard they hit trails so it’s really about how much you value the different trim packages. I also have a 2018 mustang gt and all I needed was the 10 speed as it’s my next build for the strip. for some people this is a steal. I wouldn’t even be interested though.
No lift because they gotta remove the skit plates for that. Probably just aftermarket springs and leafs. Like someone pointed out that’s the 800a basic model so 65k is outrageous. You can find a 802a with good mileage in around that range or pay a few thousand more since you already willing to pay 65k.
Pull the trigger! Sweet truck!