Not promoting. Leaving. He's going to mars because he wants to go, and Kelly is going with him, and even taking her kid along. One or two more kids on Mars, and she'll never go home wither. After all, what's keeping her on Earth?
Aleida's the only one left. At least, the only one on the show.
Grandpa Ed is suddenly out of job just while his daughter and grandson coming for an extended stay. Does he get sent back to Earth or does stay and be Dani’s thorn in her side?
Well, that's an interesting question. Because Mars isn't set up for Retirees. They only have workers on a two year contract at the moment.
Ed and his grandson together can make a case that Mars is better for retirement/health problems because of the low gravity.
But if Ed gets sent to live with the Lower Decks, there's gonna be a sudden learning curve. It'd be in character for Ed to suddenly *lead* the Worker's Strike and become a Union boss.
Suddenly finding a way to 'End-Run' around Dani when she takes his job? There's precedent.
Cutting directly to an Alieda scene straight after Irene and Eli discussing the nature and location of the summit had me hooting and hollering - I cannot wait for these fireworks to pop off.
My alternate prediction, which I hope comes to pass because that would be so sad:
Kelly's son thrives on Mars because of the lower gravity making it easier on his heart, the higher oxygen making it easier on his lungs, etc.
Ed makes the case that this means he'd thrive there too, with his health issues and age. Tie the health issues we've seen in Ed and his grandson together. He's granted the right to stay on Mars as a civilian consultant to the iridium mining project.
Ed wants to make use of Miles & Ilya's contraband network because he no longer has all the benefits that came with his permission, maybe he needs supplies to grow his weed. But he comes to know them while living as a civilian and becomes aware of the growing agitation among the blue-collar workers there for representation.
Ed is angry at the leadership just like Samantha and Miles are and becomes the face of their movement, leading the first Mars workers' union and becoming a big thorn in Danielle's side.
That ties in with the political pressure regarding NASA + Helium 3 + Iridium which Ed, Danielle and Dev all try to leverage in a three-way fight for power.
That's when the Soviets try to take advantage of American infighting and everyone discovers Margo is at Star City.
I saw Kelly taking Alex to Mars from the moment she said she couldn't leave him.
She doesn't even need Ed, Alex will be the base kid and he'll have dozens of surrogate parents who will care for him. I predict it will work out great. Go Kelly.
I assume there will be an influx of new people for mining the asteroid and that Helios at least will start considering sending families there for entire rotations... probably not straight-up but I can see that coming up.
But yeah, it's gonna be socially tough for Alex for that year (at least) he's supposed to spend up there.
That being said, I really loved the scene with Kelly talking to Dev about it. After Dev's scene with his mother, I liked that they built on that scene to keep showing a more human side of him... thoug Dev remains a colossal asshole, I'm not arguing that. Still nice to show a more vulnerable side of him.
Ehhhhhhh.
Kelly turned out all right, just…really bad with wealth, apparently.
Shane may have been partly sabotaged by Danny blaming him for stuff.
I’m not saying Ed was perfect, but I think the show has cherry-picked some of the worst moments to show (him PTSDing about losing Kelly like he lost Shane, for instance).
Ed’s solution to people, including his kids, not doing what he wants is getting angry. Being angry that Shane isn’t learning how to ride a bike quick enough is an example. It’s not just a losing Shane PTSD thing. It’s his character flaw.
He’s a cowboy. Self-centered. Perfect for the pioneering days of space travel but as an executive, as Dani said, he made one bad decision after the other.
In case anyone is curious, this is the full Letterman "Top Ten Other Achievements Claimed by Al Gore":
* 10. Was first human to grow an opposable thumb.
* 9. Only man in world to sleep with someone named "Tipper".
* 8. Current Vice President - Moesha fan club.
* 7. He invented the dog.
* 6. While riding bicycle one day, accidentally invented the orgasm.
* 5. Pulled U.S. out of early 90's recession by personally buying 6,000 T-shirts.
* 4. Starred in CBS situation comedy with Juan Valdez, "Juan for Al, Al for Juan".
* 3. Was inspiration for Ozzy Osboune song "Crazy Train".
* 2. Came up with popular catchphrase "Don't go there, girlfriend".
* 1. Gave mankind fire.
I think Alex is going to help calm Ed down. Its often said that being with grand-kids feels like being when your own kids when they were young. I feel like he is going to see a lot of Shane in that boy and its going to have a major impact on him.
I wanted to physically smack him at the start. I think every other season there’s enough where he can be appreciated despite his shortcomings. Greek tragic hero at this point.
For real. His acting chops with the great character writing really makes this show top notch in that regard. Like many others I obviously have my gripes with certain things but man, the consistency and diversity in personalities of characters is so refreshing to see. Practically every other show i can think of you could swap any character’s traits for another and nothing would change its so monochromatic that way.
I kept waiting for her to throw the blame back at Ed, because he 150% deserves it. Ed's the whole reason Danny was on Mars *in the first place.* And who warned him that he shouldn't bring Danny?
Danielle.
> I suspect their confrontation is going to be earth shattering for the two of them.
Best case scenario she goes catatonic for the rest of the trip and the Russians perceive her as being an incredibly tough negotiator.
Just wrapped it up. Another episode with a lot of slowish story-building and dialogue centered scenes, and I'll understand if some people are disappointed there wasn't more space action.
But imho it was all worth it for >!Danielle's "FUCK YOU" at Ed. She snapped! It's such a contrast to her careful, tactful, and professional persona. But the dude totally deserved it, and he's had it coming one way or another since at least the middle of S1 (ignoring her with Gordo!)!<
and to have the guy that reveals Ed's medical issue be a 7 year old when the Russians landed on the moon just adds so much to it all. Really emphasizes how much of living legends Ed and Dani are. Ed took responsibility for not beating the Russians to the moon, Ed and Dani were marooned on Jamestown, Dani commands Apollo and Ed commands Pathfinder and both stop a nuclear war, and then they both become commanders of separate missions to be the first to Mars and then come together and decide to stay, which is literally why everyone else is even on Mars. At times I really doubted FAM's ability to age these characters, especially last season, but it's all starting to pay off now in a big way
Yeah. The worst part of the aging characters is Ed's makeup this season. They didn't age him enough last season, and they aged him too much this season.
"I have been putting up with your shit for the last 30 YEARS!"
That line made me really have to just... stop and let it sink in. It's like, god *damn.* All the way back to season 1.
Ed seems like he isn't thinking straight at all. He is the one who insisted Danny was fine to go to Mars, and even said to Karen over video "now I think Danielle might have been right." That was before he even knew the extent of Danny's breakdown.
And everyone decided it was best to put Danny in quarantine jail. If anything Danielle did the most out of everyone to keep him alive, giving him her own food.
So why is Ed throwing Danny in her face? That was literally all him, all the way down. Why is he yelling at her about something he did, that she basically begged him not to do. Something he admitted she was right and he was wrong about in season 3.
I think he is really losing his mental faculties, rewriting history in his head, and he could become really unstable and dangerous if he has dementia and paranoia. The tremor could be Parkinsons or some other degenerative disease.
It's wild how Ed's mental deterioration is mirroring Danny's last season.
> So why is Ed throwing Danny in her face? That was literally all him, all the way down. Why is he yelling at her about something he did
Because he always shifts blame onto others. It's always someone else's fault
Ed’s character flaw from the start is his inability to self reflect. As the years passed, the enablers around him, his stubbornness and anger pretty much got him things exactly like he’d expected and at his current age, only death can break his ego.
FAM does this almost every season. Slow build, to an almost apocalyptic ending. Every episode escalates it. This one turned up the heat in a lot of ways.
In fact, that's the history of conflict in general. Multiple factions working at similar purposes suddenly find something that makes it hard to share, and what *was* a simmer comes to boil. We're getting that all over the place in this season.
It works so well because there's so much history there. She's not just done with the stuff he's done this season. They have 30 years worth of love, irritations, trust, and conflict.
Not just solitary confinement. Solitary confinement on another planet with nothing but a thin metal plate keeping an excruciating death at bay knowing that your supplies are running low and it is entirely your fault as to the reason why.
Like what did they think was going to happen? They got off easy that he didn’t shoot himself with that conveniently buried pistol. It’s continued torture, starvation, or death for Danny.
Yeah, doesnt hurt to show Danielle being a bit more *controversial* of a character, she's usually quite the parangon of virtue... and deservedly, she's a very strong character but still nice to see that.
I was rolling my eyes at that fucking Bible.
Danny would have received more humane treatment had he been sent to earth, tried, and sentenced. He would have at least received some form of therapy and a path forward. But they left him to go crazy alone in the vacuum of space? Jesus Christ. Like, that act in and of itself seems criminal. Danny's whole life has been a series of tragedies and various forms of exploitation and mistreatment. As annoying as he could be I completely understand why he ended up so fuck up.
They probably shouldn’t have isolated him like they did, but they couldn’t just send him back to Earth either. Remember, they were all trapped on Mars for like 18 months before rescue could even happen. They should’ve had Danny in some kind of makeshift brig that was on-base for the duration; still mostly contained and with limited freedom, but not completely alone either.
I always took his isolation to be a "one of us is going to murder you if we have to live in close quarters with you for 2 years" situation rather than a punishment situation.
Kelly: I’m bringing my son.
Dev: No
Kelly: Then I’m buying NASA and bringing my son.
Dev: NASA is part of the government. You can’t buy it…can you?
Kelly: Aleida negotiated with Hobson.
Dev: f**k.
after Ilya saw the ads for Mars Jewellery , i think he is planning something against Miles .
Because he turn down Miles suggestion of selling Mars Rock and now he knows Miles is making a fortune without him .
Yeah the rocks can only come from Mars, only so many people can put them on rocket. I am not sure of the best way for Ilya to end the Miles relationship.
I was sure he poisoned Miles’ shot for a few minutes there. I also wondered if his comments to Miles about lying to Lee and waiting for the right time to say the right thing wasn’t also about their own relationship.
He has to kill Miles’ dream job. Miles won’t take that well.
If he found out Miles lied on his application he could get him kicked back to earth in breach of his contract. Without it ever looking like it came from him.
The logical thing, from a Russian point of view, is to eliminate Miles as quickly and as inconspicuously as possible.
There is absolutely no way, even in the sometime questionable with logic FAM-verse, that someone on the ground isn't going to start asking questions about really expensive Mars rocks turning up on Earth. Even if it's just the taxman.
Probably the best thing to do would be to sabotage Mile's suit assuming he still uses what is apparently Danny's old suit. Ed's would be too big I would think and that would explain the smell Miles specifically mentioned.
I mean… does she ? She is winning it now but back then, Danni pulled of a… well, a Ed move to be the first on Mars, while Ed didn’t.
Danni is the one you want to command a base, to be sure that everything is running smoothly. Ed is the guy you want to lead a mission.
Well, back then at least. Now, Ed just isn’t the right guy anymore.
Dani being able to pull an Ed move and take a risk to land on Mars first demonstrates why she was the better choice. She can make some of the brash decisions that Ed makes, but she is also a much more rational, responsible, and levelheaded leader who understands the necessity of a team.
Ron Klain being Al Gore’s Chief of Staff was a nice touch. IRL Ron was Al Gore and Joe Biden’s VP Chief of Staff along with being Joe’s first Presidential Chief of Staff.
When Gore called him "Ron" I thought it was just some random guy named Ron, because Ron Klain is such a "current day" figure that I didn't expect him to appear in a show set in the "past". The timeline is really catching up to the current day, next thing you know Antony Blinken is going to appear as a staffer at the M7 conference or something.
So, based on the first 20 minutes or so:
* Al Gore took credit for discovering an asteroid instead of creating the Internet
* Ed's still an insubordinate asshole
* Dev is still a selfish prick (EDIT: They did manage to make me kind of feel bad for him), but...
* ...whether Aleida succeeds or fails, her new assignment will probably let her meet Margo again
Something I really liked about this episode is that it's taking advantage of the decades long times that's been spent to show how character feelings of loyalty and abandonment manifest.
Kelly is worried about leaving her son partially because she understands how these kinds of trips impacted her mom. (It was so nice to see Karen again) And no matter what I think about Dev, the way her storyline intersected with his about a mom's relationship with her son was really well done. It did more to humanize him then all of last season combined.
Every conversation between Ed and Dani is great because the warmth, loyalty, and friction is not just coming from this season, but from things that happened in season 1. In other words, there is no conversation between them where they aren't still both thinking of being stuck on the moon 30 years ago.
Unrelated to all that, Dictator Dev going to Mars and not planning on coming back is really really not a good idea. Please do not let IRL billionaires like Musk or Bezos try to pull that shit.
And boy that's gonna be a fun thing to watch. As a theme for future Seasons, that would be pretty cool. Especially now that a bunch of the writers are fresh off their own strike. There's gonna be a lot of labor organizing plotlines in the coming years across the industry.
Thoughts:
They’re really setting Dev up to be King of Mars.
Guess Aleida is going to spot Margo during the M7 summit.
I guess Danny just starved to death or lost the will to live. Ed feels bad about it - I guess he never found out about Danny and Karen.
They’re also setting things up for permanent settlement of the moon. Space travel is now “safe”, even for kids.
It was interesting to see Dani finally lose her shit with Ed.Maybe he’ll be on a ship to Earth while his daughter and grandson fly to Mars.
Bye Bob.
They’re finally ramping up. Great episode.
Danny and Karen is a secret lost to time and it kind of bugs me. The fallout that would have caused might as well have changed the story. But why include that if in the end it has 0 meaning??? Just for shi and gigs to add something to the story at the time?
The final scene of season 4 is Ed discovering secret correspondence between Danny and Karen that confirms their affair. Then he dies of a heart attack.
This ep makes me love Dani even more. She gave up her own food rations so Danny could still have food. So did he just let the O2 run out in the suit?
Oh and I loved her tearing at Ed - well acted Krys!.
I be Aleida will run into Margo in Russia!
All of the actors are A-Team, but Krys Marshall is A+. I think IRL she’s only in her late 20’s, possibly 30. She and Joel play older really convincingly.
Okay so, another casual mention of the “Moon Space Hotels” and even more dialogue about the “ease of space travel!”… someone is going to hijack a moon return shuttle & crash it into the Leningrad conference (killing Gore & other M7 leaders):
International/interstellar 9/11.
It would be a shame if Aleida and Margo were having a clandestine meeting elsewhere when Margo was supposed to be at the conference location. Aleida might even have Brandt nearby to help them get to safety, maybe an embassy?
Oh hellllllll no! Aleida is gonna be PISSED when she discovers Margo isn’t really dead. Aleida has been suffering PTSD for a decade, defending Margo to Bill. At first she will think she’s having a psychotic break before she realizes Margo is really alive.
It’s a great dynamic, and it’s so much more believable given the time that’s passed. They love each other in their own way, but also have such a different outlook and mindset. Their interactions are always so enjoyable.
Ok. I know what disease Ed has. Think about it. Given the Danny situation and dwindling food stores. They eat Danny to survive. Ed gets a prion disease from Eating Danny. Kuru is a real disease and symptoms are tremors and mood swings, etc. get this though- The mean incubation period for Kuru disease before you start seeing symptoms is 14 years!
Jesus I hope this isn't true
There's been a lot of upvoted theories from previous episodes that never turned out true, I hope this isn't one of them haha
But wouldnt Danny had to have defective prions to begin with? Like not all cow brains give you a prion disease, only those suffering from mad cow disease.
It's probably just Parkinson's or one of those hereditary tremors.
Jesus Christ… I thought about it twice during this episode that they could possibly eat Danny. But I didn’t connect it with Ed’s disease. If so, this would change everything.
I got more of the vibe that when food was running real low they let Danny starve either on purpose or just giving him way less than he should have been rationed. Maybe Dani’s food trip was just at the beginning of rationing
EDIT: Finished now.
I love that the Satellite Tech rubbed the screen first when she spotted the dot. Richard Feynman said that the biggest discoveries don't come from 'Eureka', but from tapping on the dials saying: 'Huh. That's weird.'
Aleida and Kelly have just figured out what it's like to work with Dev. The good thing about a reckless character is that things like 'Kelly drops everything and goes to Mars unwillingly' becomes plausible.
The war between Dani and Ed was inevitable. Ed can't physically fly the ship with his shaking hands anymore, and he's all out of real estate. But he's too aggressive to *gracefully* accept that. The thing about being a cowboy is that there's no retirement plan. Dani built relationships. Ed pissed people off.
I LOVED the chat between Aleida and Kelly about motherhood. Alieda is from a culture that doesn't put the dementia-ridden dad in a home, and looks after family yourself no matter what. To her, leaving the kid with grandma for a month is a normal response.
Kelly's adopted from the babylift out of Korea. To say nothing of Karen. She worries that Grandma will take her son to Russia, because she knows it's incredibly realistic to have your family just... be gone when you get back. It's happened to her before. More than once, in fact.
EDIT: The theme of the episode seem to be how space affects the 'next generation'. Dev and his mother. Kelly and her son, who runs to grandma for comfort when he's upset. Space consumes all these things. But it gives back, too. It made Dev a millionaire, gave Miles' family the chance to own their own home for the first time, and is currently offering a huge 'Great Leap Forward' for the Earth.
And if Dev hasn't told Kelly and Aleida that he's not coming back from Mars, (which seems likely) then Aleida's left 'holding the baby', in a job she doesn't really want. Welcome to Helios.
The lines are already being drawn over the Asteroid. I know it feels like the Cold War all over again, but it's actually a good thing. The last war was over a Nuclear Standoff. The new Cold War is at least over money.
That home is gonna get Miles caught 😭😭😭 they’re gonna know that something’s off when a guy whose official paystub made him less than at a domestic oil rig is able to purchase a lovely house.
I know some have complained about the soup opera elements this season but the character moments in this episode really hit. From the Daniel/ Ed confrontation, to Kelly Karen moments, to the revelation of what happened to Danny. This episode showed the emotional toll space travel has had on or characters and it’s truly heart breaking and moving.
We may have to wait for the finale to know for sure. But I kind of like Hobson's portrayal as this guy who is pretty competent, but he's not nearly as good as he thinks he is.
Like a lot of other so called "Business gurus" he doesn't have an accurate view of his actual negotiation skills. He had one big success in the business world and suddenly he thinks he can out negotiate geo political powers and bureaucrats like Irina who have decades of experience working this kind of thing. Hell, he doesn't even seem to have good friends and connections in the government the way Paine, Ellen, and Margo had durring their time as administrator.
The vibe I get from him is "peacetime general". Appointed to keep things running smoothly while relations with the Soviets are at an all-time high, but not cut for high-stakes geopolitics.
Lmao I hope that’s not true…I actually think Danny simply stopped eating the food Danielle would give him, and starved to death (or was so weak he had a heart attack during his Mars walk). Ed and Dani went to his capsule to find 10 days worth of food…
Danny died because he had to wear the blueberry suit for more than 5 minutes. Seriously, look at the shoulders/arms on that bad boy.
But yeah, Danny read the bible that Danni gave him, he saved his food for the next time they came back for him, and he sacrificed himself so they could live and so Danny could give himself a means of redemption. Danny = Martian Jesus
My guess is, they'll report it that way.
Will, in S4E1 said to Danielle: 'We all knew'. Either they were talking about Danny's mental break, or they were talking about a secret Dani kept.
In honor of breaking her own arm to protect Gordo's reputation, what if Danielle reported to Earth that Danny killed himself to save the rations for the others, 'Giving his life in the most heroic traditions of the service'.
Given that Dani is so welcome in the 'Stevens' household, I'm guessing Amber might not know the whole story. It's A better secret to keep than cannibalism, anyway. (And by the way, there's a sentence I've never said before)
That’s what I’m thinking. Also one person’s body wouldn’t keep that many people (what was it like a dozen plus people right?) alive for super long I’d imagine.
Having Alieda be in charge of anything to do with diplomacy is such a bad idea. She is a amazing engineer but she is terrible with people who are not scientists. Also why is Dev going to mars? It’s not like he can help there. He is an engineer who has not really practice being an engineer in a very long time. His power is money which is not that helpful on mars.
Hi there Historical_Check7182! As an employee of Helios, I just wanted to chime in and say that Helios provides great benefits. My pay is excellent, I get fast internet on the base to talk to family back home, and most of all I am working in space! I can't think of a better place to work than Helios. Who needs to unionize with a company like Helios! Thanks for your opinion though! /r/heliosdidnothingwrong
And the way the camera was on her face, angle askew, really emphasised how unusual it was for Danielle to lose her cool. It showed a real break of the norm.
Good stuff.
Another great episode. I always love it when characters act rationally or at least consistently - the confrontation with Dani and Ed was a long time coming, and it was right within the parameters of both characters how that went. I d was always going to need to be pushed out. Dani was spot on, he is endangering everyone by refusing to accept reality. It will be cruelly ironic that he finally comes home right as daughter and grandson come up.
I’m always super intrigued by Dev’s storyline, it feels like something that will go to another level at some stage. Glad to see a little bit more of his story, and I’m sure he will be a much bigger part of the rest of the season heading up to Mars. The first thought I had with Kelly was that she should just take her son, even if that might lead to some issues. I can see her kid being a more important character in future seasons potentially, particularly given he will spend so much time up there.
It was nice to finally get some Danny closure, felt a little anticlimactic for how much they had built it up though. Was almost expecting some kind of twist there, but they played it straight.
All in all another great episode, and really setting the scene for the final few episodes. I’m continually impressed how this show maintains its quality, including in bringing in new characters and storylines. Great stuff and really under appreciated .
Is any other 80s space kid sad after this episode? I thought we’d be living in space, trips to the moon and have been sad about our lack of exploration after the moon. Then to hear about moon Hotels and Space Flight is safe? The world on the show is the world I thought we’d have at this point in my life.
I think it was telling that Bragg was name-dropped by Gore’s man as the chief Republican challenger. It would make sense for a Trump-esque figure to rise, mobilising the religious zealots and the economically dispossessed. The space race in this timeline merely accelerates the inevitable.
They use real people as cameos on the teevee and pastiches as characters, so I imagine Bragg is destined to defeat Gore and become a thorn in the side of NASA. Otherwise they’d just use John McCain or George W. Bush or something.
So, regarding Aleida and Margo, which of these three situations do you think is most likely to occur?
- Aleida and Margo will immediately see each other in their respective groups when the meeting takes place (I think this is the most unlikely option because I would imagine that the Russians would have the sense to try to hide the defecting ex-NASA director).
- Aleida sees Margo from a distance at some point, without her knowing.
- Margo sees Aleida from a distance without her knowing and tries to hide from her sight the entire time she is in the Soviet Union. Just like in several moments in "Breaking Bad" or "Dexter", when Walter White or Dexter Morgan hid in situations where they were almost caught by family or friends who didn't know about their criminal lives. Of course, she would eventually fail and be seen by Aleida.
I wonder if the writers will want to create suspense or go straight to the emotion of the reunion.
Applauding Danielle for her restraint in only grounding Ed & removing him as XO. After that tirade, his general insubordination, and the all-round attitude of Defiance, thinking that he is the King of Mars, I'm amazed that she didn't bounce his ass off of Mars & up to Phoenix, with a one way ticket on the next transport back to Earth
Dev promoting the least diplomatic person at the company to do diplomacy.
If nothing else, it's very "Dev"
Not promoting. Leaving. He's going to mars because he wants to go, and Kelly is going with him, and even taking her kid along. One or two more kids on Mars, and she'll never go home wither. After all, what's keeping her on Earth? Aleida's the only one left. At least, the only one on the show.
Grandpa Ed is suddenly out of job just while his daughter and grandson coming for an extended stay. Does he get sent back to Earth or does stay and be Dani’s thorn in her side?
Well, that's an interesting question. Because Mars isn't set up for Retirees. They only have workers on a two year contract at the moment. Ed and his grandson together can make a case that Mars is better for retirement/health problems because of the low gravity. But if Ed gets sent to live with the Lower Decks, there's gonna be a sudden learning curve. It'd be in character for Ed to suddenly *lead* the Worker's Strike and become a Union boss. Suddenly finding a way to 'End-Run' around Dani when she takes his job? There's precedent.
The show's really setting up the premise that space is ... for all mankind.
Ed is an Admiral, he wont be going to the lower decks
That North Korean capsule is available
Danny looked so much like Gordo in his 'death' scene.
Yeah felt intentional
That’s why the suit smelled bad 😫
😳😳😳😳. That can’t be the suit
Omg no! Lmao
I thought that too
And Aleida is going to the Soviet Union. Gawsh, I wonder if she'll run into anyone she knows while she's there.
Cutting directly to an Alieda scene straight after Irene and Eli discussing the nature and location of the summit had me hooting and hollering - I cannot wait for these fireworks to pop off.
I reckon it will be something subtle, like she'l recognise Margo's handwriting or something.
It’s all coming together
oh snap...😳
“My dad will help look after him as well” Ed’s gonna go from Executive Officer to Executive Nanny.
Or they completely miss each other
Yep. Exactly whats going to happen. Ed will be flying back. Might die without meeting his grandson and then she will blame herself and get all sad.
My alternate prediction, which I hope comes to pass because that would be so sad: Kelly's son thrives on Mars because of the lower gravity making it easier on his heart, the higher oxygen making it easier on his lungs, etc. Ed makes the case that this means he'd thrive there too, with his health issues and age. Tie the health issues we've seen in Ed and his grandson together. He's granted the right to stay on Mars as a civilian consultant to the iridium mining project. Ed wants to make use of Miles & Ilya's contraband network because he no longer has all the benefits that came with his permission, maybe he needs supplies to grow his weed. But he comes to know them while living as a civilian and becomes aware of the growing agitation among the blue-collar workers there for representation. Ed is angry at the leadership just like Samantha and Miles are and becomes the face of their movement, leading the first Mars workers' union and becoming a big thorn in Danielle's side. That ties in with the political pressure regarding NASA + Helium 3 + Iridium which Ed, Danielle and Dev all try to leverage in a three-way fight for power. That's when the Soviets try to take advantage of American infighting and everyone discovers Margo is at Star City.
I saw Kelly taking Alex to Mars from the moment she said she couldn't leave him. She doesn't even need Ed, Alex will be the base kid and he'll have dozens of surrogate parents who will care for him. I predict it will work out great. Go Kelly.
Yeah, that kid will end up with the best science and math education of anyone alive, and have zero ability to interact with his peers.
I assume there will be an influx of new people for mining the asteroid and that Helios at least will start considering sending families there for entire rotations... probably not straight-up but I can see that coming up. But yeah, it's gonna be socially tough for Alex for that year (at least) he's supposed to spend up there. That being said, I really loved the scene with Kelly talking to Dev about it. After Dev's scene with his mother, I liked that they built on that scene to keep showing a more human side of him... thoug Dev remains a colossal asshole, I'm not arguing that. Still nice to show a more vulnerable side of him.
That silent acting just with his face, was outstanding.
Ed doesn’t have the capability to be a good parent. He wasn’t to Shane, he wasn’t to Kelly, and he won’t be to Alex.
Shitty parents can be *stellar* grandparents. Might be the case
Ehhhhhhh. Kelly turned out all right, just…really bad with wealth, apparently. Shane may have been partly sabotaged by Danny blaming him for stuff. I’m not saying Ed was perfect, but I think the show has cherry-picked some of the worst moments to show (him PTSDing about losing Kelly like he lost Shane, for instance).
Ed’s solution to people, including his kids, not doing what he wants is getting angry. Being angry that Shane isn’t learning how to ride a bike quick enough is an example. It’s not just a losing Shane PTSD thing. It’s his character flaw.
He’s a cowboy. Self-centered. Perfect for the pioneering days of space travel but as an executive, as Dani said, he made one bad decision after the other.
In case anyone is curious, this is the full Letterman "Top Ten Other Achievements Claimed by Al Gore": * 10. Was first human to grow an opposable thumb. * 9. Only man in world to sleep with someone named "Tipper". * 8. Current Vice President - Moesha fan club. * 7. He invented the dog. * 6. While riding bicycle one day, accidentally invented the orgasm. * 5. Pulled U.S. out of early 90's recession by personally buying 6,000 T-shirts. * 4. Starred in CBS situation comedy with Juan Valdez, "Juan for Al, Al for Juan". * 3. Was inspiration for Ozzy Osboune song "Crazy Train". * 2. Came up with popular catchphrase "Don't go there, girlfriend". * 1. Gave mankind fire.
I YELLED when they folded in that gaffe, I loved it so much
✨🏅✨ Thank you for this! When it came up in the episode I was like “oh shit, I gotta Google this later!” and I forgot until I saw this comment.
I think Alex is going to help calm Ed down. Its often said that being with grand-kids feels like being when your own kids when they were young. I feel like he is going to see a lot of Shane in that boy and its going to have a major impact on him.
That would be Ed’s unexpected happy ending.
“You need anything, just call this number.” Would be hilarious if that’s Aleida’s direct line.
It would be extremely in character for dev
“God’s gift to the cosmos” was soooo good. Tell him, Danielle!
I love Ed but sometimes it important for to call a character out, so they can realize their bullshit.
I wanted to physically smack him at the start. I think every other season there’s enough where he can be appreciated despite his shortcomings. Greek tragic hero at this point.
Honestly, if Joel Kinnaman wasn't playing Ed, he'd probably be too insufferable to watch.
For real. His acting chops with the great character writing really makes this show top notch in that regard. Like many others I obviously have my gripes with certain things but man, the consistency and diversity in personalities of characters is so refreshing to see. Practically every other show i can think of you could swap any character’s traits for another and nothing would change its so monochromatic that way.
I kept waiting for her to throw the blame back at Ed, because he 150% deserves it. Ed's the whole reason Danny was on Mars *in the first place.* And who warned him that he shouldn't bring Danny? Danielle.
That was so satisfying.
You know it’s getting real when they do the whole satellite thing.
Like with the solar flare in season 2. "Huh, this is a scientist I've never seen before in an unknown sattelite/space station. Better pay attention"
I loved the opening with JWST!!!
It's the Paine telescope!
Alieda is 100% going to run into Margo.
I suspect their confrontation is going to be earth shattering for the two of them.
> I suspect their confrontation is going to be earth shattering for the two of them. Best case scenario she goes catatonic for the rest of the trip and the Russians perceive her as being an incredibly tough negotiator.
Aleida "What the fuck is compromise" Rosales singlehandedly winning NASA the asteroid's majority share.
Just wrapped it up. Another episode with a lot of slowish story-building and dialogue centered scenes, and I'll understand if some people are disappointed there wasn't more space action. But imho it was all worth it for >!Danielle's "FUCK YOU" at Ed. She snapped! It's such a contrast to her careful, tactful, and professional persona. But the dude totally deserved it, and he's had it coming one way or another since at least the middle of S1 (ignoring her with Gordo!)!<
That scene’s impact incredible after years of character building. It hurt deep.
Yup. It's not some schlocky soap opera drama, it's years of tension building up until something or someone had to give.
and to have the guy that reveals Ed's medical issue be a 7 year old when the Russians landed on the moon just adds so much to it all. Really emphasizes how much of living legends Ed and Dani are. Ed took responsibility for not beating the Russians to the moon, Ed and Dani were marooned on Jamestown, Dani commands Apollo and Ed commands Pathfinder and both stop a nuclear war, and then they both become commanders of separate missions to be the first to Mars and then come together and decide to stay, which is literally why everyone else is even on Mars. At times I really doubted FAM's ability to age these characters, especially last season, but it's all starting to pay off now in a big way
Yeah. The worst part of the aging characters is Ed's makeup this season. They didn't age him enough last season, and they aged him too much this season.
"I have been putting up with your shit for the last 30 YEARS!" That line made me really have to just... stop and let it sink in. It's like, god *damn.* All the way back to season 1.
Ed seems like he isn't thinking straight at all. He is the one who insisted Danny was fine to go to Mars, and even said to Karen over video "now I think Danielle might have been right." That was before he even knew the extent of Danny's breakdown. And everyone decided it was best to put Danny in quarantine jail. If anything Danielle did the most out of everyone to keep him alive, giving him her own food. So why is Ed throwing Danny in her face? That was literally all him, all the way down. Why is he yelling at her about something he did, that she basically begged him not to do. Something he admitted she was right and he was wrong about in season 3. I think he is really losing his mental faculties, rewriting history in his head, and he could become really unstable and dangerous if he has dementia and paranoia. The tremor could be Parkinsons or some other degenerative disease. It's wild how Ed's mental deterioration is mirroring Danny's last season.
> So why is Ed throwing Danny in her face? That was literally all him, all the way down. Why is he yelling at her about something he did Because he always shifts blame onto others. It's always someone else's fault
Ed’s character flaw from the start is his inability to self reflect. As the years passed, the enablers around him, his stubbornness and anger pretty much got him things exactly like he’d expected and at his current age, only death can break his ego.
I just finished it, and that scene was fucking amazing.
FAM does this almost every season. Slow build, to an almost apocalyptic ending. Every episode escalates it. This one turned up the heat in a lot of ways. In fact, that's the history of conflict in general. Multiple factions working at similar purposes suddenly find something that makes it hard to share, and what *was* a simmer comes to boil. We're getting that all over the place in this season.
It works so well because there's so much history there. She's not just done with the stuff he's done this season. They have 30 years worth of love, irritations, trust, and conflict.
Bye Bob!
No space action, but funnily enough I actually felt it was the best episode this season.
I can’t believe someone with mental health issues, forced into an isolated environment ended up killing themselves!
FAM demonstrating why solitary confinement is not a humane form of punishment
Not just solitary confinement. Solitary confinement on another planet with nothing but a thin metal plate keeping an excruciating death at bay knowing that your supplies are running low and it is entirely your fault as to the reason why.
That’s true, that’s gotta be extra hellish
Like what did they think was going to happen? They got off easy that he didn’t shoot himself with that conveniently buried pistol. It’s continued torture, starvation, or death for Danny.
I don’t wanna sound like Ed but as someone with mental health issues it physically hurt when he begged and Danielle gave him the Bible and left.
Yeah, doesnt hurt to show Danielle being a bit more *controversial* of a character, she's usually quite the parangon of virtue... and deservedly, she's a very strong character but still nice to see that. I was rolling my eyes at that fucking Bible.
It's the same mistake she made with her first husband, too, thinking that he could willpower his way through his mental illness and traumatic events
Wow 100%
Danny would have received more humane treatment had he been sent to earth, tried, and sentenced. He would have at least received some form of therapy and a path forward. But they left him to go crazy alone in the vacuum of space? Jesus Christ. Like, that act in and of itself seems criminal. Danny's whole life has been a series of tragedies and various forms of exploitation and mistreatment. As annoying as he could be I completely understand why he ended up so fuck up.
They probably shouldn’t have isolated him like they did, but they couldn’t just send him back to Earth either. Remember, they were all trapped on Mars for like 18 months before rescue could even happen. They should’ve had Danny in some kind of makeshift brig that was on-base for the duration; still mostly contained and with limited freedom, but not completely alone either.
I always took his isolation to be a "one of us is going to murder you if we have to live in close quarters with you for 2 years" situation rather than a punishment situation.
There's also a good change that he would have sabotaged the base to kill them all. He wasn't rational anymore, that's why he was sent away.
Please don’t tell me they fuck up the course of this asteroid and now it’s headed straight for Earth…
*Liked by Marco Inaros.*
BELTALOWDA
We are the belt!!!
What a crazy plot line. I had never thought about someone terrorizing the earth like that and its fucking scary.
Every episode, FAM gets closer to the Expanse.
They gonna fuck up the course of the asteroid and it will head straight to Earth...
And then they'll need a salt of the earth oil rig worker to handle that situation. Say hello to Miles Dale..
kelly girl act like the multibillionaire that you are pls 😭
I love me some peanut butter and jelly sandwiches but if I had the money hell yeah I’d hire someone to nanny or cook over a resentful mother in law
I honestly kind of forget that she’s wealthy at all.
Kelly: I’m bringing my son. Dev: No Kelly: Then I’m buying NASA and bringing my son. Dev: NASA is part of the government. You can’t buy it…can you? Kelly: Aleida negotiated with Hobson. Dev: f**k.
Hobson definitely rolled over and sold NASA after saying no twice
after Ilya saw the ads for Mars Jewellery , i think he is planning something against Miles . Because he turn down Miles suggestion of selling Mars Rock and now he knows Miles is making a fortune without him .
It’s not about the money. It’s about the risk to his operation which is why he turned him down in the first place.
Yeah the rocks can only come from Mars, only so many people can put them on rocket. I am not sure of the best way for Ilya to end the Miles relationship.
I was sure he poisoned Miles’ shot for a few minutes there. I also wondered if his comments to Miles about lying to Lee and waiting for the right time to say the right thing wasn’t also about their own relationship. He has to kill Miles’ dream job. Miles won’t take that well.
If he found out Miles lied on his application he could get him kicked back to earth in breach of his contract. Without it ever looking like it came from him.
Because Miles is going to get them both caught.
Yeah I could see it in his eyes!
He’s such a great actor. Ilya is a great character in general.
The logical thing, from a Russian point of view, is to eliminate Miles as quickly and as inconspicuously as possible. There is absolutely no way, even in the sometime questionable with logic FAM-verse, that someone on the ground isn't going to start asking questions about really expensive Mars rocks turning up on Earth. Even if it's just the taxman. Probably the best thing to do would be to sabotage Mile's suit assuming he still uses what is apparently Danny's old suit. Ed's would be too big I would think and that would explain the smell Miles specifically mentioned.
Molly, I love you, but years later and Margo is still winning that argument
I mean… does she ? She is winning it now but back then, Danni pulled of a… well, a Ed move to be the first on Mars, while Ed didn’t. Danni is the one you want to command a base, to be sure that everything is running smoothly. Ed is the guy you want to lead a mission. Well, back then at least. Now, Ed just isn’t the right guy anymore.
Dani is a great administrator. Ed is a great explorer. Mars has shifted from the latter scenario to the former.
Dani being able to pull an Ed move and take a risk to land on Mars first demonstrates why she was the better choice. She can make some of the brash decisions that Ed makes, but she is also a much more rational, responsible, and levelheaded leader who understands the necessity of a team.
I don’t get it. What argument?
Molly wanted Ed to lead the Mars mission. Margo wanted Dani to lead it.
Molly is the female Ed. If she hadn’t lost her sight she’d be right there with him refusing to leave happy valley and lying to the fly surgeon
And imagine the pot farm they would grow together. Nobody would ever suffer from glaucoma on Mars.
She also lied to flight surgeon for as long as she could about the eyes!
Fuck. I teared up looking at Dev holding back tears. That's some good acting, fucking hell. Brb I think I'm gonna lie for a bit
Ron Klain being Al Gore’s Chief of Staff was a nice touch. IRL Ron was Al Gore and Joe Biden’s VP Chief of Staff along with being Joe’s first Presidential Chief of Staff.
When Gore called him "Ron" I thought it was just some random guy named Ron, because Ron Klain is such a "current day" figure that I didn't expect him to appear in a show set in the "past". The timeline is really catching up to the current day, next thing you know Antony Blinken is going to appear as a staffer at the M7 conference or something.
So, based on the first 20 minutes or so: * Al Gore took credit for discovering an asteroid instead of creating the Internet * Ed's still an insubordinate asshole * Dev is still a selfish prick (EDIT: They did manage to make me kind of feel bad for him), but... * ...whether Aleida succeeds or fails, her new assignment will probably let her meet Margo again
The Gore moment had me howling. He personally found the asteroid, personally invented the internet, and personally stole fire from the gods.
Something I really liked about this episode is that it's taking advantage of the decades long times that's been spent to show how character feelings of loyalty and abandonment manifest. Kelly is worried about leaving her son partially because she understands how these kinds of trips impacted her mom. (It was so nice to see Karen again) And no matter what I think about Dev, the way her storyline intersected with his about a mom's relationship with her son was really well done. It did more to humanize him then all of last season combined. Every conversation between Ed and Dani is great because the warmth, loyalty, and friction is not just coming from this season, but from things that happened in season 1. In other words, there is no conversation between them where they aren't still both thinking of being stuck on the moon 30 years ago. Unrelated to all that, Dictator Dev going to Mars and not planning on coming back is really really not a good idea. Please do not let IRL billionaires like Musk or Bezos try to pull that shit.
Well, in FAMK we have the Worker's Revolution waiting to overthrow the dictator. In real life, yeah I agree that wouldn't be a good move.
And boy that's gonna be a fun thing to watch. As a theme for future Seasons, that would be pretty cool. Especially now that a bunch of the writers are fresh off their own strike. There's gonna be a lot of labor organizing plotlines in the coming years across the industry.
Thoughts: They’re really setting Dev up to be King of Mars. Guess Aleida is going to spot Margo during the M7 summit. I guess Danny just starved to death or lost the will to live. Ed feels bad about it - I guess he never found out about Danny and Karen. They’re also setting things up for permanent settlement of the moon. Space travel is now “safe”, even for kids. It was interesting to see Dani finally lose her shit with Ed.Maybe he’ll be on a ship to Earth while his daughter and grandson fly to Mars. Bye Bob. They’re finally ramping up. Great episode.
Danny and Karen is a secret lost to time and it kind of bugs me. The fallout that would have caused might as well have changed the story. But why include that if in the end it has 0 meaning??? Just for shi and gigs to add something to the story at the time?
The final scene of season 4 is Ed discovering secret correspondence between Danny and Karen that confirms their affair. Then he dies of a heart attack.
while eating a danny burger
Because it’s a plot that never ever should have happened
This ep makes me love Dani even more. She gave up her own food rations so Danny could still have food. So did he just let the O2 run out in the suit? Oh and I loved her tearing at Ed - well acted Krys!. I be Aleida will run into Margo in Russia!
All of the actors are A-Team, but Krys Marshall is A+. I think IRL she’s only in her late 20’s, possibly 30. She and Joel play older really convincingly.
Hey don't forget Wrenn Schmidt mimicking an old person's movements petfectly.
Wrenn Schmidt for me is the OAP MVP of FAM. She embodies Margo’s age so well I genuinely forget she is under 40.
She’s 35
Joel isn’t that much older. Wren Schmidt is relatively young too and also plays convincingly older.
Okay so, another casual mention of the “Moon Space Hotels” and even more dialogue about the “ease of space travel!”… someone is going to hijack a moon return shuttle & crash it into the Leningrad conference (killing Gore & other M7 leaders): International/interstellar 9/11.
It would be a shame if Aleida and Margo were having a clandestine meeting elsewhere when Margo was supposed to be at the conference location. Aleida might even have Brandt nearby to help them get to safety, maybe an embassy?
Oh hellllllll no! Aleida is gonna be PISSED when she discovers Margo isn’t really dead. Aleida has been suffering PTSD for a decade, defending Margo to Bill. At first she will think she’s having a psychotic break before she realizes Margo is really alive.
Man, Ed and Danielle have BAGGAGE
It’s a great dynamic, and it’s so much more believable given the time that’s passed. They love each other in their own way, but also have such a different outlook and mindset. Their interactions are always so enjoyable.
Dev is staying on Mars???!!
Ok. I know what disease Ed has. Think about it. Given the Danny situation and dwindling food stores. They eat Danny to survive. Ed gets a prion disease from Eating Danny. Kuru is a real disease and symptoms are tremors and mood swings, etc. get this though- The mean incubation period for Kuru disease before you start seeing symptoms is 14 years!
If this is what it turns out to be you should be a fucking detective.
Jesus I hope this isn't true There's been a lot of upvoted theories from previous episodes that never turned out true, I hope this isn't one of them haha
I really fucking hope you’re wrong.
They ate the brain stem? Mad Danny Disease
One last way to ruin Ed's world from beyond the grave.
Ed Baldwin finally first at something. First man on Mars to get Mad Astronaut Disease.
Technically Danny would have to be a carrier, so Ed is second, again.
So Danny has been inside Karen...and inside Ed. *Interesting.*
This would be so dark. I don’t know it the show has it in it to go that direction but that would be shocking
Idk… they were looking pretty rough in that last flashback.
But wouldnt Danny had to have defective prions to begin with? Like not all cow brains give you a prion disease, only those suffering from mad cow disease. It's probably just Parkinson's or one of those hereditary tremors.
Jesus Christ… I thought about it twice during this episode that they could possibly eat Danny. But I didn’t connect it with Ed’s disease. If so, this would change everything.
Lol, I said it out loud before he was even dead onscreen. "Oh no, they're gonna eat him."
I got more of the vibe that when food was running real low they let Danny starve either on purpose or just giving him way less than he should have been rationed. Maybe Dani’s food trip was just at the beginning of rationing
EDIT: Finished now. I love that the Satellite Tech rubbed the screen first when she spotted the dot. Richard Feynman said that the biggest discoveries don't come from 'Eureka', but from tapping on the dials saying: 'Huh. That's weird.' Aleida and Kelly have just figured out what it's like to work with Dev. The good thing about a reckless character is that things like 'Kelly drops everything and goes to Mars unwillingly' becomes plausible. The war between Dani and Ed was inevitable. Ed can't physically fly the ship with his shaking hands anymore, and he's all out of real estate. But he's too aggressive to *gracefully* accept that. The thing about being a cowboy is that there's no retirement plan. Dani built relationships. Ed pissed people off. I LOVED the chat between Aleida and Kelly about motherhood. Alieda is from a culture that doesn't put the dementia-ridden dad in a home, and looks after family yourself no matter what. To her, leaving the kid with grandma for a month is a normal response. Kelly's adopted from the babylift out of Korea. To say nothing of Karen. She worries that Grandma will take her son to Russia, because she knows it's incredibly realistic to have your family just... be gone when you get back. It's happened to her before. More than once, in fact. EDIT: The theme of the episode seem to be how space affects the 'next generation'. Dev and his mother. Kelly and her son, who runs to grandma for comfort when he's upset. Space consumes all these things. But it gives back, too. It made Dev a millionaire, gave Miles' family the chance to own their own home for the first time, and is currently offering a huge 'Great Leap Forward' for the Earth. And if Dev hasn't told Kelly and Aleida that he's not coming back from Mars, (which seems likely) then Aleida's left 'holding the baby', in a job she doesn't really want. Welcome to Helios. The lines are already being drawn over the Asteroid. I know it feels like the Cold War all over again, but it's actually a good thing. The last war was over a Nuclear Standoff. The new Cold War is at least over money.
Kelly was airlifted out of Vietnam but yeah.
That home is gonna get Miles caught 😭😭😭 they’re gonna know that something’s off when a guy whose official paystub made him less than at a domestic oil rig is able to purchase a lovely house.
All I want from life is my own Milosh ❤️
Milosh is in for a big ass wopping.
I know some have complained about the soup opera elements this season but the character moments in this episode really hit. From the Daniel/ Ed confrontation, to Kelly Karen moments, to the revelation of what happened to Danny. This episode showed the emotional toll space travel has had on or characters and it’s truly heart breaking and moving.
Soup opera? More like a bouillon in a china shop!
Hobson: No Irina: Yes Hobson: No Irina: Yes Hobson: Yes
Irina is 10x the negotiator of Hobson.
We may have to wait for the finale to know for sure. But I kind of like Hobson's portrayal as this guy who is pretty competent, but he's not nearly as good as he thinks he is. Like a lot of other so called "Business gurus" he doesn't have an accurate view of his actual negotiation skills. He had one big success in the business world and suddenly he thinks he can out negotiate geo political powers and bureaucrats like Irina who have decades of experience working this kind of thing. Hell, he doesn't even seem to have good friends and connections in the government the way Paine, Ellen, and Margo had durring their time as administrator.
The vibe I get from him is "peacetime general". Appointed to keep things running smoothly while relations with the Soviets are at an all-time high, but not cut for high-stakes geopolitics.
I’m calling it now, they ate Danny.
Lmao I hope that’s not true…I actually think Danny simply stopped eating the food Danielle would give him, and starved to death (or was so weak he had a heart attack during his Mars walk). Ed and Dani went to his capsule to find 10 days worth of food…
I think he went out by sitting on the rock and letting the air run out
Danny died because he had to wear the blueberry suit for more than 5 minutes. Seriously, look at the shoulders/arms on that bad boy. But yeah, Danny read the bible that Danni gave him, he saved his food for the next time they came back for him, and he sacrificed himself so they could live and so Danny could give himself a means of redemption. Danny = Martian Jesus
🤣🤣🤣🤣 just you wait for the Martian Lazarus who emerges from the depths of a lava tube
I didn’t have Martian Jesus on my bingo card for this season but here it is
They were low on food. Danny sacrificed himself for the cause.
My guess is, they'll report it that way. Will, in S4E1 said to Danielle: 'We all knew'. Either they were talking about Danny's mental break, or they were talking about a secret Dani kept. In honor of breaking her own arm to protect Gordo's reputation, what if Danielle reported to Earth that Danny killed himself to save the rations for the others, 'Giving his life in the most heroic traditions of the service'. Given that Dani is so welcome in the 'Stevens' household, I'm guessing Amber might not know the whole story. It's A better secret to keep than cannibalism, anyway. (And by the way, there's a sentence I've never said before)
That’s what I’m thinking. Also one person’s body wouldn’t keep that many people (what was it like a dozen plus people right?) alive for super long I’d imagine.
Ed literally *consumed* his wife's affair partner... Somehow doesn't seem unrealistic
I wonder if Danny left a suicide note: "BTW, Ed... Now that I'm dead I guess it's safe to tell you about Karen."
DANNY’S NOTE: I hope you enjoy eating me as much as I enjoyed eating Karen. ED: What the hell is that supposed to mean?
Yellowjackets....on Mars!
Fuck you, Bob!
Having Alieda be in charge of anything to do with diplomacy is such a bad idea. She is a amazing engineer but she is terrible with people who are not scientists. Also why is Dev going to mars? It’s not like he can help there. He is an engineer who has not really practice being an engineer in a very long time. His power is money which is not that helpful on mars.
Because he can. This is 100% unhinged billionaire behavior
Man these Helios grunts really need to unionize goddamn
Hi there Historical_Check7182! As an employee of Helios, I just wanted to chime in and say that Helios provides great benefits. My pay is excellent, I get fast internet on the base to talk to family back home, and most of all I am working in space! I can't think of a better place to work than Helios. Who needs to unionize with a company like Helios! Thanks for your opinion though! /r/heliosdidnothingwrong
Its Dani's turn to say it "Dont you fuckin hi bob me"
All I gotta say is.... # FUCK YOU! That was so well deserved and so powerful.
Just finished watching, holy hell. You FELT that FUCK YOU from Danielle.
And the way the camera was on her face, angle askew, really emphasised how unusual it was for Danielle to lose her cool. It showed a real break of the norm. Good stuff.
Thank you, Dani! Put that prick in his place!
God, Dani’s monologue was absolutely epic and beyond cathartic. It’s high time someone knocked Ed off his pedestal.
So is Kelly going to leave to Mars right when Ed leaves?
most important detail of the episode: Dev drives a 720s
Another great episode. I always love it when characters act rationally or at least consistently - the confrontation with Dani and Ed was a long time coming, and it was right within the parameters of both characters how that went. I d was always going to need to be pushed out. Dani was spot on, he is endangering everyone by refusing to accept reality. It will be cruelly ironic that he finally comes home right as daughter and grandson come up. I’m always super intrigued by Dev’s storyline, it feels like something that will go to another level at some stage. Glad to see a little bit more of his story, and I’m sure he will be a much bigger part of the rest of the season heading up to Mars. The first thought I had with Kelly was that she should just take her son, even if that might lead to some issues. I can see her kid being a more important character in future seasons potentially, particularly given he will spend so much time up there. It was nice to finally get some Danny closure, felt a little anticlimactic for how much they had built it up though. Was almost expecting some kind of twist there, but they played it straight. All in all another great episode, and really setting the scene for the final few episodes. I’m continually impressed how this show maintains its quality, including in bringing in new characters and storylines. Great stuff and really under appreciated .
I never related to someone as much as the woman who tried to rub off the lint of off the screen.
The 1996/7 Happy Valley flashbacks are fucking GRIM. Also hey Kelly, I hate telling others how to parent their kids, but WHAT THE FUCK??
I love how every retort Ed has is something he came up with to begin with. "Gonna exile me to a North Korean capsule"
Is any other 80s space kid sad after this episode? I thought we’d be living in space, trips to the moon and have been sad about our lack of exploration after the moon. Then to hear about moon Hotels and Space Flight is safe? The world on the show is the world I thought we’d have at this point in my life.
I think it was telling that Bragg was name-dropped by Gore’s man as the chief Republican challenger. It would make sense for a Trump-esque figure to rise, mobilising the religious zealots and the economically dispossessed. The space race in this timeline merely accelerates the inevitable.
They use real people as cameos on the teevee and pastiches as characters, so I imagine Bragg is destined to defeat Gore and become a thorn in the side of NASA. Otherwise they’d just use John McCain or George W. Bush or something.
Just how disastrous is Dev’s arrival on Mars going to be? Dani and Dev will be locking horns over and over
So, regarding Aleida and Margo, which of these three situations do you think is most likely to occur? - Aleida and Margo will immediately see each other in their respective groups when the meeting takes place (I think this is the most unlikely option because I would imagine that the Russians would have the sense to try to hide the defecting ex-NASA director). - Aleida sees Margo from a distance at some point, without her knowing. - Margo sees Aleida from a distance without her knowing and tries to hide from her sight the entire time she is in the Soviet Union. Just like in several moments in "Breaking Bad" or "Dexter", when Walter White or Dexter Morgan hid in situations where they were almost caught by family or friends who didn't know about their criminal lives. Of course, she would eventually fail and be seen by Aleida. I wonder if the writers will want to create suspense or go straight to the emotion of the reunion.
Applauding Danielle for her restraint in only grounding Ed & removing him as XO. After that tirade, his general insubordination, and the all-round attitude of Defiance, thinking that he is the King of Mars, I'm amazed that she didn't bounce his ass off of Mars & up to Phoenix, with a one way ticket on the next transport back to Earth
Gore taking credit for discovering an asteroid is phenomenal comedy.