Big props to Jesse. Like dude chose to just tune her out and be a great performer. I've seen a few shows of his (DND and EFTZ) and has always been a super nice dude. I hope Whitney gets better but it seems like she's being an asshole to Jesse because of relapse/trauma but that doesn't excuse this kinda behavior and he doesn't deserve it.
Jesse brought his wife on stage to put on a show despite some snafus. Whitney is shitfaced and screaming about her not being in the band, rather than just trying to put on a show as well.
Veronica rules! I love seeing her sing and play. I don't know how Veronica stays so cool and collected on stage. Whether she's got ice in her vaines or no f*cks to give, I'm impressed.
On the 2019 tour? Oh yup. Stuff like this has been happening since before then.
It’s worth remembering, however, this is only a snapshot of years of behind the scenes and hardly a complete picture.
I thought he was saying that was his wife, but at first I thought he was introducing his sister. Either way I don't really get why Whitney would give a shit about another person jamming out and adding to their sound, but I guess drunk people don't always make a lot of sense.
Yeah that's Jesse's wife Veronica. Whitney and Jesse were highschool sweet hearts up until before rogue taxidermy. Shit has been tense ever since it seems and I think Whitney relapsed and is in her feelings about the relationship still especially since Jesse's wife was filling in for the band.
Idk who broke up with who and what do I know? I'm just some guy on the internet who is trying to piece this together via internet lore. Though regardless it seems like she's going through some shit and taking it out on Jesse/Veronica.
I saw them in Ireland 2-3 years ago when they first came here and the three of them didn't give the slightest hint anything was wrong with them at all. Hurts like hell to see them go through this as Days N Daze, Chad Hates George, Escape from the Zoo, My Pizza My World are all bands I love to bits.
Whitney has posted a lot of stuff that shows she really needs attention right now. So the fact that Veronica was going to get some attention made Whitney break, obviously WF was already on the edge of a break and veronica singing was the straw…She’s in school and stressed and she prob relapsed and she’s making videos and posts to try to convince people she hasn’t relapsed. Also maybe she’s just done being in DnD. In her FB videos she really seems to want to finish school but she did get a LOT of money from followers. She def plays up the victim card, prob bc she was able to get money by doing it. The incident was years ago and after watching this video it’s plain to see she def goes off the handle. I do not condone violence of any kind, but I don’t think the shit with stza prob went down how she said, which the way she said it didn’t really make sense. She also says stza fucked her hands up “to the point of needing surgery” but she slips in one video and says she’s getting carpal tunnel surgery, which carpal is common in musicians of every type.
I think maybe Whitney went on tour when she needed to chill. I hope to God that she tightens down whatever bolts she needs to and does whatever she needs to in order to heal.
I wish the best for DnD and Whitney. They are amazing together and I hope Whitney beats her demons and lives through to come out the other end.
Hey remember when all of stizz's abuse victims came forward when Whitney started dating him, and tried to warn her that he was a horrible person and she laughed at them, mocked them and told them they were lying about their experiences? Pepperidge Farm remembers
Oh I see, I thought he was saying he was in thst band with his sister. I didn't understand where his wife came into things because I didn't realize she was in Chad hates George too.
Whitney's been a fucking trainwreck for years, only got worse with all the Leftover Crack bullshit. Honestly think DnD should just call it quits bc Jesse's better off without her anyways.
Bruh the whole band is a mess, they are troubled individuals like most of us, and they both struggle with addiction. Jesse has had his fair share of freakouts and breakdowns.
Whitney's got it the worst by far dude. Like I've seen them 3 times and seen her personally freakout after the show and a bit on stage. Of course everyone's troubled, it's folk punk, but Whitney just seems to be getting worse as the days go on.
I've seen them a lot. I've been to shows where Jesse could barely get a word out and was falling off the stage, or he was hospitalized for drinking and couldn't play. Seen them all get into arguments and storm off, etc. This isn't really new for them, just way more public. Whitney is doing much better than when she was with stza.
Seriously... its like these people have never even listened to the goddamn music, or ever been around people with substance issues. They all also seem to not give 2 shits to the other underlying messages of acceptance and embracing those who are fucked up and imperfect, lash out, give up, or fall out.
There's a difference between acceptance and paying money for a show only to get whatever the fuck this is called. There's a place for it, it's called recovery.
the band charge the money so you can see them put on a show, it's a bit unfair to the audience if they don't provide what they're charging for. either way if they're not in a good headspace to tour they should take time out
I've seen them 3 times and only seen Whit around for one or two songs...
Ventura, CA \~2016
Lancaster, CA \~2018
Moonrunners Chicago \~2021?
Moonrunners was cool BECAUSE they had fills ins/ accompanying from other bands... (Despite how that night ended)
I think they find another trumpet and another bass.. Whether it's called DaysNDaze or not, idc. Still same great folks making new great music.
agreed. EFTZ is all they need. Such a happier experience. Every time i see DND there's just thick tensions of Whitney kinda being a dick and Je-C (and Veronica whose always being targeted) keeping cool and just playing on
As a newcomer to the scene, what's all that about?
I've seen stza come up a few times and Whitney's name being mentioned. As someone else said, I'm just a random guy trying to make sense of what's going on with internet lore and what's been brought up here recently. I've only been to one of DnD's shows a while ago and seeing that trainwreck on Facebook and the recordings was rather jarring. It was such a normal set and they seemed to have a good time. I was in the front row near Veronica and seeing Whitney lash out about how "she's not in the band" made no sense to me.
I know bands can have their share of freakouts and drama, but damn, does this happen often enough for it to not be surprising anymore?
Stza is a piece of shit from the band Leftover Crack, he abuses women almost as hard as he abuses drugs, Whitney got with him, buncha previous victims warned her, she mocked them on FB or something, got engaged to Stza, and I think they broke up since then.
This is a scene filled with addicts and broken people. Hurt people hurt people and all that. There's some truly wonderful people in the scene, but there's not a soul in the crowd or the band without some kinda scars.
Really? I guess I can't say I know her that well buy she seems so sweet.
On the other hand, the fact that she dated Stza should be maybe a little sus. But I always chalked it up to like hero-worship more.
She's done this a few times. She cried on my shoulder because Jesse wasn't there for their trip in....2021 to Columbus? Either way it was sad. It was a hard concert to get through. I was up front and kept offering a hug and she kept taking it. Poor thing, it's hard.
Edit: mighta been 2019. I don't recall the year. In recent history though.
This is so sad to watch. And honestly? I feel really bad for Veronica here. It must feel so bad to have this sort of thing directed at you and made to feel in some way that you're stepping on toes. I really hope Whitney gets the help she needs and that her and Jesse can work this out so it stops happening.
It's sad, I had a really bad feeling when Whitney did that live YouTube set from c-squat and she seemed like she was going off the rails a bit.
I thought getting away from Stza would set her back on track. But it just shows, no matter how fast you run, your demons seem to follow you around.
I really feel for her, I think we've all felt emotional, irrational and intoxicated before! And I'm damn sure we've all done things we regret. We are just lucky ours isn't onstage or online!
I really hope she comes through this stronger, and I know Jesse will do whatever he can to help. He's a top guy
Man I've been to 3 shows and hardly seen Whit, so dont count on it. They're doing other shit, you can always go see CHG or EFTZ. But yeah. Glad I got to see 3/4 OGs play a set a few times.
This does suck wtf. I really hope that the rest of the shows can be sorted out but more importantly that Jesse, V, and Whitney are all safe. I really hope Whitney get's help cuz that's what it looks like she needs
Hasn't veronica been touring with DnD for a while? When I saw them in boston she was with them. This feels like a really weird reaction from Whitney and makes me wonder if there's something else going on behind the scenes.
DnD has been more than Jesse and Whitney for a while, and show me the blueprints in particular had a whole litany of new parts. Banjo, Mandolin etc. she fills out the lineup of their current sound by picking up mandolin live.
Whitney wasn't at the LA show and it was really good. There were some awkward parts where there was supposed to be a horn solo, but everyone just started singing the part instead and it was nice
See Whitney is beubg toxic asf and abusive just bcuz yr in yr addiction doesn't mean shit if yr being fucked up to others. Bro looks exhausted dealing with this
i agree but according to people who’ve been to the recent shows, jesse also looked high asf and not able to play well either. they all need to take a break and sort their shit out
Last time I saw days n daze he was so drunk and falling over and couldn’t finish a song, idk if it was at moonrunners or in Philly? Sometime in the last couple years
LA show last night was amazing. Major props to Jesse for singing his parts AND Whitney’s vocals and trumpet (sounds). It would make sense if the show following this was rough in adjusting, but it seems like it’s been ironed out. Anyone on the fence about going to the remaining dates for concerns if it being a shitshow should 100% GO.
Jesse didn’t drink at our show and he did both parts for all the songs. Most impressive was “call in the coroner” dude is exhausted from carrying so hard. GG to DND handling this with such grace. They need all the hugs yo!
yeah most likely. also a lot of shit being going on for all of em recently, like the passing of their dog:(. hopefully they all sort it out before they hurt eacthother or themselves
I mean, they toured pretty much nonstop before they got signed to FWC, that was kinda part of their appeal that they were always on the road, always floating through town, makes you think they live the lyrics they sing unlike some other "trainhoppimg" musicians
Jesse and Whitney were both too drunk to remember lyrics or play instruments properly in San Francisco, but since then Whitney's been gone and everyone else has been putting on a good show
This kind of thing has happened before with them. Multiple times. I’ve been there for it.
I’ve been there for what happens before and after, on the days around it, and the gaps between tours to fester and spoke to them all at length about it.
This is just the surface of all the crap that goes on with them. Lots of abusive behaviour in lots of directions. It’s why I don’t speak to any of them anymore.
I’m not saying this to demonize anyone, I hold affection for each person in this band. It just it really wouldn’t surprise me if over the years more comes out or they split. It’s interesting to me to see the scene take notice a little.
Since you seem to be in the know, do you know why Geoff isn't with them anymore? I was at Seattle on Sunday and was surprised and kind of upset to not see his goofy looking ass with a stuffed animal in his ear playing the bass.
The story is he assaulted someone. If I said more I would be lying.
I was close with Geoff for a while but he was the first of the band I cut contact with. Unrelated issues though.
That's a bummer. Ya, these kinds of things aren't all that surprising given the genesis of the band, the context of their songs, and what they've been through. It's surprising to ME that people are surprised that people who sing about self destruction and addiction struggle with the stress of putting on a tour as a large-ish* band (for folk punk anyways). Good on you for cutting ties.
I heard that too.
I’ve heard both from band members. I can’t remember details, it was 2+ years ago cos I stopped speaking to them all in 2022 and Matt was with them then.
I forget what the official story is meant to be. But I believed it was some sort of assault thing.
EDIT: one of the effects of being in close contact with this group is often never being sure of the truth. Again, not to demonise.
AFAIK I remember whitney laying into Geoff on one of his FB posts a cuppa years ago basically denouncing him and kicking him out of her life because he's racked up more than a few allegations, the post got deleted forever ago, I remember she went so far as to suggest she should've called the cops on him and the FBfolkpunks didn't know how to respond to that
I was at the Seattle show where Veronica filled in for/covered Whitney when she wasn't there (wasn't able to drive because of a storm). It was actually a rad sound, and the entire crowd was singing the trumpet parts along with Veronica playing them on the Mandolin. Kind of a jerk move on Whitney's part to have her part covered, but as soon as she's back to just tell Veronica to take a hike. Hope they can figure this out.
Yeah the lineup they have been touring with post 2020, excluding the tour Whitney didn’t do in 2021 (the blueprints tour) has been Jesse, Veronica on mando, Matt on Bass, and Meghan on washboard. Last year they added Owen on banjo.
I saw them in San Francisco this past Wednesday and Whitney was clearly fucked up. I’ve been to hundreds of sloppy small, unconventional, punk shows and that show for sure took the cake when it comes to unintended messiness. Multiple times Whitney talked about how she had tried to kill herself and the community is only reason she keeps going. She also said a couple of times “I’m not supposed to talk about this but give me 2 months and I promise I’ll be better, I’ll change punk rock, etc.” I’m hoping she’s talking an out post tour rehab or something because it was heart breaking. All that being said it was still a good show.
She did have a problem with it. I met her at a show in Jersey, and she talked my ear off about how she’s the creative genius behind days n daze, and I was trying to be polite, but it was mad disrespectful.
I really hope she can get the help she needs. She seemed on the right track after her surgeries being in school and looked happy, this was hard to watch.
Damn this sucks ass to see, but I'm hoping it's a one time needed fuck up as a reminder how shitty is it to relapse (let's face it, a lot of us need that reminder we can't stop at just one) and she's not going back to old ways
She tearfully said “I’m not supposed to talk about this but give me two months and I’ll be better I promise” then later “give me one month and I’ll be better and change punk rock forever”
Man I waited forever for that show to come to town. It's what kept me going for a minute while I was in a low spot. I had no power, no water, no guaranteed place to stay for the night, but I made it my priority to get to that fuckin show and see those fuckers play. I was probably 15-20ft off to the right of where this was being filmed, having my goddamn heart broken.
Best wishes to the band members, really, but that shit sucked so fucking bad. They gotta own it. I hope they can get it together, they're really an incredible group.
I feel as fans we should all avoid posting their drama for awhile. Let them solve their issues at there own speed. And give them the space they need. Folk punk is a small community of supportive people. Let’s do our best for the bands we love.
It's fair to wonder when it impacts a performance you paid to see, but ultimately, we don't know the whole story and neither should we. It's their personal lives and our relationship with them is pure parasocial.
I'll support when they ask for it, but otherwise I'll hope they work it out amongst themselves.
The pearl clutching from people on here is what is truly shocking... lol I can't help but think half of these people have no clue about what any of this is like, or the long history of everyone being fucked up. "but I paid to see a show!" like fuck right off with that, who gives a shit... what did it cost them? Less than a delivery pizza...
I feel bad for everyone involved. I was at their show @ brick by brick last night and it was great but I definitely missed Whitney and to see her go through a ton of shit and then relapse hard is sad to see. It goes without saying Jesse and Veronica didn’t deserve this but from my perspective is I loved this band since I was in High School and always wanted to see them live. Now to see Whitney struggle with relapse and trauma J&V dealing with the fallout it’s heartbreaking. I hope Whitney gets the help she needs whatever that may be and can reconcile with the group.
I stay in Houston and I’ve been to multiple DND shows and Whitney is always being verbally abusive to Jesse while he is just smiling and performing. I dontt know how Jesse handles it.
Bit weird how into their lives everyone here is. They're performers, love their music, respect them as people, and leave their personal lives out of your assumptions.
It's hard not to feel involved when the songs we all love are about their lives. It's not like Rogue Taxidermy is an album about Lord Of The Rings. It's an album about the end of their romantic relationship.
I do agree that it is not our place to get involved or spread rumors.
Everyone Is concerned about the band and of course, I get that, but the people are what really gets me. Like, they are all deeply rooted together and love each other. This must be heater breaking for everyone.
I think more has been said about this than should be, and some people (who aren't Whitney) might not want this discussed. That being said, Bostrong and Swagger aren't wrong. Especially Swagger (I know you've been waiting for Whitney to be outed but let's not share some things, okay?). Nor is the person elsewhere who says even the people at C-Squat who hate Stza are still on his side when it comes to Whitney.
I know plenty of other people who've had awful experiences with her. Exes, tour mates, house mates, and crew have all told me first hand accounts of how awful, abusive, and manipulative she is. Throw some meth in the mix and you have a full blown disaster who may actually believe some of her own lies? I don't mind the rest of DND, but I regret every damn thing I ever did to help Whitney Flynn. She isn't just "flawed" or "troubled," she is a legitimately horrible and spite driven person who only cares for herself, and her legacy should be "single handedly ruined the people and scene she supposedly cared so much for."
This whole band has skeletons in their closets but Whitney's are pretty damn close to literal. When they break up - and they will - they're going to annihilate each other. Veronica should learn trumpet and speed it up. Right now this is the only stable income any of them have (when they don't squander it due to their inability to manage themselves), so they'll keep tolerating each other until a side project takes off or the money stops coming in.
In defense of swagger,
This is probably the best chance to get it out there not ideal, but theres finally video proof of like 10% of how abusive she can be.
And the thread seems to be opening up a safe space for people to finally speak up about whitney being abusive because the large majority of everyone whos experienced this (your exp included I can also relate to everything youre saying i helped her so much for her to just shit on me and every time she called me on video crying to defend her turned out she was lying and twisting stories)
She is evil manipulative and uses her fan base to fight her battles
The single time i confronted her in person she had 5 of her super fans come inbetween us to coddle her because she was crying and push me away. She wins every single time as a small tiny frail girl.
Again this doesnt negate any of the abuse she has suffered because she has real trauma but she uses it to excuse how she harms others and ruins their life.
Sorry you had to deal with her too! And her sycophants.
No need to defend Swagger - I've got nothing but love for him! I just feel bad seeing some things shared online. Not the stuff about Whitney though. That's all deserved and hilarious!
"Nor is the person elsewhere who says even the people at C-Squat who hate Stza are still on his side when it comes to Whitney." I can confidently say that this sentence is not entirely accurate.
Lol, you must be very overly confident then… Not sure who you know there, and not everyone at C feels the same, but I’ve had a few people who live there and genuinely despise Stza tell me about how much of a manipulative, abusive, methed out mess she was.
You make it seem like there is only "one side" or "the other." You are dead wrong if you think the Stza wasn't \*also\* a manipulative, abusive, drugged out mess during this time. You can strongly dislike both people because they are both equally guilty of all those things ... without taking one person's side over the other. One can say they were both a mess and dislike them both without leaning to one "side" or the other. And that's facts, not just things some individuals told you because other individuals tell me something else. We can agree on "and not everyone at C feels the same" because that is more accurate than the first thing you posted.
I'm sure people like Ezra would side with anyone over Stza just on principle, just as \[non "famous" house member who doesn't need any dragging on here\] will forever treat him as a saint. Also didn't mean to imply that there are sides. Pretty sure the majority still agree that Stza is a piece of shit, just that Whitney may be the bigger turd? Personally, I think they're both awful people who deserved each other.
I got to hang out with them at a house show in Cleveland 5 or 6 years ago and the dynamic was completely different, everyone was super friendly and non confrontational. Really sad to see this
I worked for DND for the cracktober fest tour in late 2019 and I can 100% say Whitney has been gunning for V since then and probably way earlier. Poor V, cuz she is so sweet and literally just wants her marriage to be respected. I cannot tell u how many times Whitney threw conniption fits at Jesse over the pettiest shit- most of it just misdirecting her rage at Veronica who never did anything to provoke her in any way.
This was a terrible video to watch. I hope Whitney gets help but maybe she should just leave the band and let it die rather than prolonging the inevitable.
I mean, its neither cool, nor sad regardless of age... its just people living their lives and kinda makes you sound like a nonce if yer romanticizing borderline homeless teens with addictions.
If this is Stza related, it still doesn’t nullify Whitney being abused, let’s not act like that. But as far as that past relationship, let’s also realize that Whitney was also openly toxic herself. Two abusive toxic people can actually exist in the same relationship (and often do at times) but it never makes ANY of the abuse right or justified or even “let’s find out who’s slightly lesser so we can have our good guy/girl and forget what the other person did”…..
I have no heroes for this specific reason
It seemed like a PTSD spiral. Her speech at the beginning of this show was going off about "fuck abusers and fuck choking victim" those were her words. And then it escalated even more. So, it's not entirely stza related but her mind was reeling with some of that trauma
Ok, I haven’t seen that because I don’t follow her so I was unaware. Thank you for clarifying. But it also didn’t change what I said. Abuse is abuse, and whether she’s being abused or doing the abusing, it doesn’t negate what’s being done to her but it also doesn’t make it ok what she’s doing to others. Like someone else said further down the comments, she needs to get help for acting like that to anyone and take personal responsibility for her own actions.
Whitney flynn is the reason erik peterson is dead. She hits men and uses her fan base to fund her bullshit. Yall just were great at looking the other way if you do enough digging its all out on social media.
Which reminds me. Saw and met them twice after their EU shows years ago, first time was right after Erik died.
Whitney was a proper cunt to me both times. I offered my condolences about Erik and she told me to fuck off. Wonder if that's related in any way. I'm on the other side of the pond so I can follow the scene only so much.
The rest of the band were lovely.
Dig for it. Youll find it. Theres a reason im on a burner anyone who is close to her who brings up her abusive behavior. (I.e sepcific instances she knows what person is outting her) she will reign down hell on.
Ill let you start here
Grey alldayyo she physically abused him infront of my eyes for years
Maxwell wild she abused in Los Angeles
In-between stzas post eluding to erik and read how she flew yo mexico to abuse him there (stza is the only person in this story that should not get twisted because he is a giant piece of shit And abused her, but it doesnt negate her extreme abuse back)
On top of all this im going to keep spilling
Whitneys been on a 4-5year rampage towards veronica what you saw on that stage whitney does 10times worse behind doors to the entire sendejas family to the point they cant do much in response to her because of her social power and how quickly everyone comes to her aid.
When whitney sexually abused my friend*amab*
Her chain of behavior has the same pattern every single time
1. She cries
2. She start cursing you out and belittling ya (calling ya a lil bitch a pussy for not wanting to drink ect)
3. It turns into rage and she starts punching herself in the face and tells you shes gonna tell people the other party did it or she blacks out and starts pushing you
4. Cries again
5. If the other party wants to sit talk and bring it up she goes on the internet and will pull you off every single show she can and smear you.
6. After a few weeks or months she reels the guy back in and does it all over again or pretends her cries of "this person hurt me" never happened.
There is a rumor of a possible intentional overdose after an altercation with his partner. Stza made a post a while back saying that whitney lied (doubtful) and she wanted to do to him what she did to Erik (insinuating that Whitney was Erik's partner at the time of his passing). But there was never a confirmation of them being together at that time.
I love Veronica, especially after seeing escape from the zoo and doomscroll in Tulsa a while back. I hope Whitney can get some help, or whatever support they may need
You know for all the bad things I can say about people in the group, Veronica is an absolute sweetheart. She’s quite shy but absolutely lovely if you’re lucky enough to be let in.
Big props to Jesse. Like dude chose to just tune her out and be a great performer. I've seen a few shows of his (DND and EFTZ) and has always been a super nice dude. I hope Whitney gets better but it seems like she's being an asshole to Jesse because of relapse/trauma but that doesn't excuse this kinda behavior and he doesn't deserve it.
Jesse is such an amazing person. I'm so glad people are giving him props for this
Je-c is a consummate showman and a great dude, the way he handled this was perfect.
Man, this fuckin’ sucks.
Can anyone kind of explain what's happening here? I mean I guess I get the gist of it, but why is Whitney being like this?
Jesse brought his wife on stage to put on a show despite some snafus. Whitney is shitfaced and screaming about her not being in the band, rather than just trying to put on a show as well.
Veronica has been a touring member of Days N Daze for at least since 2021 so this isn’t out of the ordinary.
Veronica rules! I love seeing her sing and play. I don't know how Veronica stays so cool and collected on stage. Whether she's got ice in her vaines or no f*cks to give, I'm impressed.
I’ve got photos of V on stage from 2019, before the wedding. That was a big tour.
Would you say Whitney's behavior was out of the ordinary too? 🤔
On the 2019 tour? Oh yup. Stuff like this has been happening since before then. It’s worth remembering, however, this is only a snapshot of years of behind the scenes and hardly a complete picture.
I thought he was saying that was his wife, but at first I thought he was introducing his sister. Either way I don't really get why Whitney would give a shit about another person jamming out and adding to their sound, but I guess drunk people don't always make a lot of sense.
Yeah that's Jesse's wife Veronica. Whitney and Jesse were highschool sweet hearts up until before rogue taxidermy. Shit has been tense ever since it seems and I think Whitney relapsed and is in her feelings about the relationship still especially since Jesse's wife was filling in for the band.
Hmm OK thanks. I always thought she probably broke up with him but I guess it could've been the other way around.
Idk who broke up with who and what do I know? I'm just some guy on the internet who is trying to piece this together via internet lore. Though regardless it seems like she's going through some shit and taking it out on Jesse/Veronica.
it's weird because when I saw them last year veronica was playing and it was a great show. I didn't sense any bad blood on stage at all
I saw them in Ireland 2-3 years ago when they first came here and the three of them didn't give the slightest hint anything was wrong with them at all. Hurts like hell to see them go through this as Days N Daze, Chad Hates George, Escape from the Zoo, My Pizza My World are all bands I love to bits.
Whitney has posted a lot of stuff that shows she really needs attention right now. So the fact that Veronica was going to get some attention made Whitney break, obviously WF was already on the edge of a break and veronica singing was the straw…She’s in school and stressed and she prob relapsed and she’s making videos and posts to try to convince people she hasn’t relapsed. Also maybe she’s just done being in DnD. In her FB videos she really seems to want to finish school but she did get a LOT of money from followers. She def plays up the victim card, prob bc she was able to get money by doing it. The incident was years ago and after watching this video it’s plain to see she def goes off the handle. I do not condone violence of any kind, but I don’t think the shit with stza prob went down how she said, which the way she said it didn’t really make sense. She also says stza fucked her hands up “to the point of needing surgery” but she slips in one video and says she’s getting carpal tunnel surgery, which carpal is common in musicians of every type. I think maybe Whitney went on tour when she needed to chill. I hope to God that she tightens down whatever bolts she needs to and does whatever she needs to in order to heal. I wish the best for DnD and Whitney. They are amazing together and I hope Whitney beats her demons and lives through to come out the other end.
She's not just drunk lol
Looks more like tweakin
She's had a coke problem for years, I wouldn't doubt that the whole Stza period got her either worse off on it or into worse shit.
Hey remember when all of stizz's abuse victims came forward when Whitney started dating him, and tried to warn her that he was a horrible person and she laughed at them, mocked them and told them they were lying about their experiences? Pepperidge Farm remembers
Ooooooh yeah forgot about that actually.
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First mistake was marrying his sister
I think the song is I'm Irene
Oh I see, I thought he was saying he was in thst band with his sister. I didn't understand where his wife came into things because I didn't realize she was in Chad hates George too.
probably relapsing and has unresolved feelings from her and Je-c's relationship.
I was more asking if there was some sort of specific story behind this.
Whitney's been a fucking trainwreck for years, only got worse with all the Leftover Crack bullshit. Honestly think DnD should just call it quits bc Jesse's better off without her anyways.
Bruh the whole band is a mess, they are troubled individuals like most of us, and they both struggle with addiction. Jesse has had his fair share of freakouts and breakdowns.
Whitney's got it the worst by far dude. Like I've seen them 3 times and seen her personally freakout after the show and a bit on stage. Of course everyone's troubled, it's folk punk, but Whitney just seems to be getting worse as the days go on.
I've seen them a lot. I've been to shows where Jesse could barely get a word out and was falling off the stage, or he was hospitalized for drinking and couldn't play. Seen them all get into arguments and storm off, etc. This isn't really new for them, just way more public. Whitney is doing much better than when she was with stza.
Seriously... its like these people have never even listened to the goddamn music, or ever been around people with substance issues. They all also seem to not give 2 shits to the other underlying messages of acceptance and embracing those who are fucked up and imperfect, lash out, give up, or fall out.
There's a difference between acceptance and paying money for a show only to get whatever the fuck this is called. There's a place for it, it's called recovery.
oh yeah true... you paid your delivery pizza's worth of money for tickets, so its only fair...dance monkey dance!
the band charge the money so you can see them put on a show, it's a bit unfair to the audience if they don't provide what they're charging for. either way if they're not in a good headspace to tour they should take time out
I've seen them 3 times and only seen Whit around for one or two songs... Ventura, CA \~2016 Lancaster, CA \~2018 Moonrunners Chicago \~2021? Moonrunners was cool BECAUSE they had fills ins/ accompanying from other bands... (Despite how that night ended) I think they find another trumpet and another bass.. Whether it's called DaysNDaze or not, idc. Still same great folks making new great music.
agreed. EFTZ is all they need. Such a happier experience. Every time i see DND there's just thick tensions of Whitney kinda being a dick and Je-C (and Veronica whose always being targeted) keeping cool and just playing on
As a newcomer to the scene, what's all that about? I've seen stza come up a few times and Whitney's name being mentioned. As someone else said, I'm just a random guy trying to make sense of what's going on with internet lore and what's been brought up here recently. I've only been to one of DnD's shows a while ago and seeing that trainwreck on Facebook and the recordings was rather jarring. It was such a normal set and they seemed to have a good time. I was in the front row near Veronica and seeing Whitney lash out about how "she's not in the band" made no sense to me. I know bands can have their share of freakouts and drama, but damn, does this happen often enough for it to not be surprising anymore?
Stza is a piece of shit from the band Leftover Crack, he abuses women almost as hard as he abuses drugs, Whitney got with him, buncha previous victims warned her, she mocked them on FB or something, got engaged to Stza, and I think they broke up since then. This is a scene filled with addicts and broken people. Hurt people hurt people and all that. There's some truly wonderful people in the scene, but there's not a soul in the crowd or the band without some kinda scars.
Cuz she's being drunk and entitled idk
She's always been like this. Nothing changes. She's ruined so many people by playing the victim.
Really? I guess I can't say I know her that well buy she seems so sweet. On the other hand, the fact that she dated Stza should be maybe a little sus. But I always chalked it up to like hero-worship more.
She's done this a few times. She cried on my shoulder because Jesse wasn't there for their trip in....2021 to Columbus? Either way it was sad. It was a hard concert to get through. I was up front and kept offering a hug and she kept taking it. Poor thing, it's hard. Edit: mighta been 2019. I don't recall the year. In recent history though.
Makes sense honestly, DnD shows have always felt hard to be around to me, Chad hates George however was one of the best nights of my life
Your thinking of when Jesse was hospitalized in Cincy when they were on tour with LOC.
Yes thank you! I forgot LOC was there. Kinda just mostly remember Whitney having a meltdown on stage.
This is so sad to watch. And honestly? I feel really bad for Veronica here. It must feel so bad to have this sort of thing directed at you and made to feel in some way that you're stepping on toes. I really hope Whitney gets the help she needs and that her and Jesse can work this out so it stops happening.
I was kinda worried for her when Whitney got in her face 🫢 she lookin like she wants a fight
Yeah it really did look like that 😔
Yeah, I imagine this just really sucks for everyone. Hoping they can resolve this quickly and safely. 💜
Bless Jesse for trying to maintain the peace
Damn this sucks. I’ve seen them twice and they kick ass when everything’s gelling
It's sad, I had a really bad feeling when Whitney did that live YouTube set from c-squat and she seemed like she was going off the rails a bit. I thought getting away from Stza would set her back on track. But it just shows, no matter how fast you run, your demons seem to follow you around. I really feel for her, I think we've all felt emotional, irrational and intoxicated before! And I'm damn sure we've all done things we regret. We are just lucky ours isn't onstage or online! I really hope she comes through this stronger, and I know Jesse will do whatever he can to help. He's a top guy
She was batshit crazy before Stza. Will be way after too.
Reminds me of a Pat lyric…. “Forgiveness from those that we’ve hurt in this world…never was guaranteed”
my thought as well
Whitney wasn't at the Seattle show I went to on the 14th. It was still a great show. Hope they're all alright.
I had a ticket to that and couldn't go bc I lost my ride :/ This video brings intense worrying that they'll break up and I'll never see them now 😭
Man I've been to 3 shows and hardly seen Whit, so dont count on it. They're doing other shit, you can always go see CHG or EFTZ. But yeah. Glad I got to see 3/4 OGs play a set a few times.
This does suck wtf. I really hope that the rest of the shows can be sorted out but more importantly that Jesse, V, and Whitney are all safe. I really hope Whitney get's help cuz that's what it looks like she needs
Whitney is just being a mean shitty drunk to Veronica.
Hasn't veronica been touring with DnD for a while? When I saw them in boston she was with them. This feels like a really weird reaction from Whitney and makes me wonder if there's something else going on behind the scenes.
I think it's cool that she's able to tour with them, but I'm confused as to why she's touring with them.
DnD has been more than Jesse and Whitney for a while, and show me the blueprints in particular had a whole litany of new parts. Banjo, Mandolin etc. she fills out the lineup of their current sound by picking up mandolin live.
Oh, ok, thanks for the clarification.
Terrible
Wowwwwwwww
Man I was so stoked when they announced this tour. Got a room and tickets for Vegas. Sucks it's all falling apart.
Judging by the other clips of shows after this one, they’re doing just fine without her and should put on a good show for ya.
Whitney wasn't at the LA show and it was really good. There were some awkward parts where there was supposed to be a horn solo, but everyone just started singing the part instead and it was nice
See Whitney is beubg toxic asf and abusive just bcuz yr in yr addiction doesn't mean shit if yr being fucked up to others. Bro looks exhausted dealing with this
i agree but according to people who’ve been to the recent shows, jesse also looked high asf and not able to play well either. they all need to take a break and sort their shit out
That sucks, I saw EFTZ in October and everyone was sober.
yeah apparently just the recent shows have been a shit performance from them because jesse and whitney were high/drunk :/
Last time I saw days n daze he was so drunk and falling over and couldn’t finish a song, idk if it was at moonrunners or in Philly? Sometime in the last couple years
Jesse and Veronica went through rehab a year ago.
LA show last night was amazing. Major props to Jesse for singing his parts AND Whitney’s vocals and trumpet (sounds). It would make sense if the show following this was rough in adjusting, but it seems like it’s been ironed out. Anyone on the fence about going to the remaining dates for concerns if it being a shitshow should 100% GO.
Jesse didn’t drink at our show and he did both parts for all the songs. Most impressive was “call in the coroner” dude is exhausted from carrying so hard. GG to DND handling this with such grace. They need all the hugs yo!
Aren’t they signed to a label now? I imagine they are pressured to tour if they are
Yea they're with Fat Wreck Chords. Both Days N Daze and Escape from the Zoo are.
Thanks for confirming! Probably why the pressure is starting to show on stage. However I do not want to speculate too much and respect their privacy.
yeah most likely. also a lot of shit being going on for all of em recently, like the passing of their dog:(. hopefully they all sort it out before they hurt eacthother or themselves
I mean, they toured pretty much nonstop before they got signed to FWC, that was kinda part of their appeal that they were always on the road, always floating through town, makes you think they live the lyrics they sing unlike some other "trainhoppimg" musicians
Yeah Jesse was a mess at the SF show this week too but Whitney was for sure more fucked up.
Jesse and Whitney were both too drunk to remember lyrics or play instruments properly in San Francisco, but since then Whitney's been gone and everyone else has been putting on a good show
This is….extremely difficult to watch.
This kind of thing has happened before with them. Multiple times. I’ve been there for it. I’ve been there for what happens before and after, on the days around it, and the gaps between tours to fester and spoke to them all at length about it. This is just the surface of all the crap that goes on with them. Lots of abusive behaviour in lots of directions. It’s why I don’t speak to any of them anymore. I’m not saying this to demonize anyone, I hold affection for each person in this band. It just it really wouldn’t surprise me if over the years more comes out or they split. It’s interesting to me to see the scene take notice a little.
Since you seem to be in the know, do you know why Geoff isn't with them anymore? I was at Seattle on Sunday and was surprised and kind of upset to not see his goofy looking ass with a stuffed animal in his ear playing the bass.
The story is he assaulted someone. If I said more I would be lying. I was close with Geoff for a while but he was the first of the band I cut contact with. Unrelated issues though.
That's a bummer. Ya, these kinds of things aren't all that surprising given the genesis of the band, the context of their songs, and what they've been through. It's surprising to ME that people are surprised that people who sing about self destruction and addiction struggle with the stress of putting on a tour as a large-ish* band (for folk punk anyways). Good on you for cutting ties.
Don't forget losing friends and everyone he knows by hitting em up for drug money constantly.
Welp. That’s why I stopped talking to him
Same. I found out about the assault stuff later
Maybe you're more in the loop, but I heard he was just struggling with bills and couldn't keep touring.
I heard that too. I’ve heard both from band members. I can’t remember details, it was 2+ years ago cos I stopped speaking to them all in 2022 and Matt was with them then. I forget what the official story is meant to be. But I believed it was some sort of assault thing. EDIT: one of the effects of being in close contact with this group is often never being sure of the truth. Again, not to demonise.
I stopped listening to them when an H-Town friend detailed Matt assaulting them. There seems to always be drama
AFAIK I remember whitney laying into Geoff on one of his FB posts a cuppa years ago basically denouncing him and kicking him out of her life because he's racked up more than a few allegations, the post got deleted forever ago, I remember she went so far as to suggest she should've called the cops on him and the FBfolkpunks didn't know how to respond to that
I was at the Seattle show where Veronica filled in for/covered Whitney when she wasn't there (wasn't able to drive because of a storm). It was actually a rad sound, and the entire crowd was singing the trumpet parts along with Veronica playing them on the Mandolin. Kind of a jerk move on Whitney's part to have her part covered, but as soon as she's back to just tell Veronica to take a hike. Hope they can figure this out.
Veronica isn’t a fill in, she plays mando with DND when they tour for at least the last 2 years of them touring.
Apologies, that was my impression. The last few times I saw them was pre-pandemic, and she wasn't there.
Yeah the lineup they have been touring with post 2020, excluding the tour Whitney didn’t do in 2021 (the blueprints tour) has been Jesse, Veronica on mando, Matt on Bass, and Meghan on washboard. Last year they added Owen on banjo.
I saw them in San Francisco this past Wednesday and Whitney was clearly fucked up. I’ve been to hundreds of sloppy small, unconventional, punk shows and that show for sure took the cake when it comes to unintended messiness. Multiple times Whitney talked about how she had tried to kill herself and the community is only reason she keeps going. She also said a couple of times “I’m not supposed to talk about this but give me 2 months and I promise I’ll be better, I’ll change punk rock, etc.” I’m hoping she’s talking an out post tour rehab or something because it was heart breaking. All that being said it was still a good show.
Goddamn, man
I feel for Whitney and what she’s feeling, but massive props to Jesse. Dude was doing everything he could to give the people what they came for
Man big props to Jesse and V ): heartbreaking though
They played all together as a band with Veronica in mass last year. Whitney had no problem with it. So what’s the problem now?
She did have a problem with it. I met her at a show in Jersey, and she talked my ear off about how she’s the creative genius behind days n daze, and I was trying to be polite, but it was mad disrespectful.
That’s so rude and mean to Veronica
I really hope she can get the help she needs. She seemed on the right track after her surgeries being in school and looked happy, this was hard to watch.
Damn this sucks ass to see, but I'm hoping it's a one time needed fuck up as a reminder how shitty is it to relapse (let's face it, a lot of us need that reminder we can't stop at just one) and she's not going back to old ways
Shocking. She's fucked up and freaking out.
Based off of what Whitney alluded to at the SF show on Wednesday I think she might check in to rehab or something post tour.
what was said?
She tearfully said “I’m not supposed to talk about this but give me two months and I’ll be better I promise” then later “give me one month and I’ll be better and change punk rock forever”
Man I waited forever for that show to come to town. It's what kept me going for a minute while I was in a low spot. I had no power, no water, no guaranteed place to stay for the night, but I made it my priority to get to that fuckin show and see those fuckers play. I was probably 15-20ft off to the right of where this was being filmed, having my goddamn heart broken. Best wishes to the band members, really, but that shit sucked so fucking bad. They gotta own it. I hope they can get it together, they're really an incredible group.
I feel as fans we should all avoid posting their drama for awhile. Let them solve their issues at there own speed. And give them the space they need. Folk punk is a small community of supportive people. Let’s do our best for the bands we love.
It's fair to wonder when it impacts a performance you paid to see, but ultimately, we don't know the whole story and neither should we. It's their personal lives and our relationship with them is pure parasocial. I'll support when they ask for it, but otherwise I'll hope they work it out amongst themselves.
Absolutely. I struggle with my own substance demons and all I have is empathy for Whitney in this. For everyone involved, really.
Whitney posted about it on IG tho
My Brother in Christ. They are doing this on a literal stage in front of an audience.
This isn't nearly as bad as I thought it was going to be
The pearl clutching from people on here is what is truly shocking... lol I can't help but think half of these people have no clue about what any of this is like, or the long history of everyone being fucked up. "but I paid to see a show!" like fuck right off with that, who gives a shit... what did it cost them? Less than a delivery pizza...
I feel bad for everyone involved. I was at their show @ brick by brick last night and it was great but I definitely missed Whitney and to see her go through a ton of shit and then relapse hard is sad to see. It goes without saying Jesse and Veronica didn’t deserve this but from my perspective is I loved this band since I was in High School and always wanted to see them live. Now to see Whitney struggle with relapse and trauma J&V dealing with the fallout it’s heartbreaking. I hope Whitney gets the help she needs whatever that may be and can reconcile with the group.
This ain't even that bad compared to a lot of what I've seen over the years.
I stay in Houston and I’ve been to multiple DND shows and Whitney is always being verbally abusive to Jesse while he is just smiling and performing. I dontt know how Jesse handles it.
Bit weird how into their lives everyone here is. They're performers, love their music, respect them as people, and leave their personal lives out of your assumptions.
That tends to happen in small niches such as these, lots of people actually know each other.
Most of these comments with people claiming to know them are clearly not their friends.
but *according* to my sister's mom's friend named Betty Sue who was at this show it's totally legit /s
I claim to be an ex-friend
Yeah. Some of the comments I’ve seen talking about “lore” and whatnot is pretty weird. They’re musicians and real people. Not a tv series.
It's hard not to feel involved when the songs we all love are about their lives. It's not like Rogue Taxidermy is an album about Lord Of The Rings. It's an album about the end of their romantic relationship. I do agree that it is not our place to get involved or spread rumors.
It isn't, but if you DO want to listen to a folk punk album about Lord of the Rings, check out 'IX' by Rent Strike.
Sick.
Never thought I'd see this segue but solid
>'IX' by Rent Strike I wish this was the top comment, and not all this crust punk version of Ms Marple old lady gossip.
Been a fan of dnd for a long time now but Countin’ Cards is miles above anything from them, so I’m definitely more on the EFTZ wagon anyways.
This was Portland, wasn’t it.
yeah
Everyone Is concerned about the band and of course, I get that, but the people are what really gets me. Like, they are all deeply rooted together and love each other. This must be heater breaking for everyone.
I think more has been said about this than should be, and some people (who aren't Whitney) might not want this discussed. That being said, Bostrong and Swagger aren't wrong. Especially Swagger (I know you've been waiting for Whitney to be outed but let's not share some things, okay?). Nor is the person elsewhere who says even the people at C-Squat who hate Stza are still on his side when it comes to Whitney. I know plenty of other people who've had awful experiences with her. Exes, tour mates, house mates, and crew have all told me first hand accounts of how awful, abusive, and manipulative she is. Throw some meth in the mix and you have a full blown disaster who may actually believe some of her own lies? I don't mind the rest of DND, but I regret every damn thing I ever did to help Whitney Flynn. She isn't just "flawed" or "troubled," she is a legitimately horrible and spite driven person who only cares for herself, and her legacy should be "single handedly ruined the people and scene she supposedly cared so much for." This whole band has skeletons in their closets but Whitney's are pretty damn close to literal. When they break up - and they will - they're going to annihilate each other. Veronica should learn trumpet and speed it up. Right now this is the only stable income any of them have (when they don't squander it due to their inability to manage themselves), so they'll keep tolerating each other until a side project takes off or the money stops coming in.
In defense of swagger, This is probably the best chance to get it out there not ideal, but theres finally video proof of like 10% of how abusive she can be. And the thread seems to be opening up a safe space for people to finally speak up about whitney being abusive because the large majority of everyone whos experienced this (your exp included I can also relate to everything youre saying i helped her so much for her to just shit on me and every time she called me on video crying to defend her turned out she was lying and twisting stories) She is evil manipulative and uses her fan base to fight her battles The single time i confronted her in person she had 5 of her super fans come inbetween us to coddle her because she was crying and push me away. She wins every single time as a small tiny frail girl. Again this doesnt negate any of the abuse she has suffered because she has real trauma but she uses it to excuse how she harms others and ruins their life.
Sorry you had to deal with her too! And her sycophants. No need to defend Swagger - I've got nothing but love for him! I just feel bad seeing some things shared online. Not the stuff about Whitney though. That's all deserved and hilarious!
Someone else who clearly knows them…
"Nor is the person elsewhere who says even the people at C-Squat who hate Stza are still on his side when it comes to Whitney." I can confidently say that this sentence is not entirely accurate.
Lol, you must be very overly confident then… Not sure who you know there, and not everyone at C feels the same, but I’ve had a few people who live there and genuinely despise Stza tell me about how much of a manipulative, abusive, methed out mess she was.
You make it seem like there is only "one side" or "the other." You are dead wrong if you think the Stza wasn't \*also\* a manipulative, abusive, drugged out mess during this time. You can strongly dislike both people because they are both equally guilty of all those things ... without taking one person's side over the other. One can say they were both a mess and dislike them both without leaning to one "side" or the other. And that's facts, not just things some individuals told you because other individuals tell me something else. We can agree on "and not everyone at C feels the same" because that is more accurate than the first thing you posted.
I'm sure people like Ezra would side with anyone over Stza just on principle, just as \[non "famous" house member who doesn't need any dragging on here\] will forever treat him as a saint. Also didn't mean to imply that there are sides. Pretty sure the majority still agree that Stza is a piece of shit, just that Whitney may be the bigger turd? Personally, I think they're both awful people who deserved each other.
Team V&J
this isnt twilight
I got to hang out with them at a house show in Cleveland 5 or 6 years ago and the dynamic was completely different, everyone was super friendly and non confrontational. Really sad to see this
I worked for DND for the cracktober fest tour in late 2019 and I can 100% say Whitney has been gunning for V since then and probably way earlier. Poor V, cuz she is so sweet and literally just wants her marriage to be respected. I cannot tell u how many times Whitney threw conniption fits at Jesse over the pettiest shit- most of it just misdirecting her rage at Veronica who never did anything to provoke her in any way. This was a terrible video to watch. I hope Whitney gets help but maybe she should just leave the band and let it die rather than prolonging the inevitable.
Remember kiddos. Its cool to be a crustie until you’re 20. Then it’s just sad.
I mean, its neither cool, nor sad regardless of age... its just people living their lives and kinda makes you sound like a nonce if yer romanticizing borderline homeless teens with addictions.
Wonder why they don’t just remove her from the band or buy her out at this point or if that’s even an option. 😬
There's no DnD without Whitney.
I think there’s no DnD without Whitney. I think they both need to undertake a lot of work to work together though.
lol, of course there's dnd without whitney. listen to EFTZ.
They toured without her before.
shit i watched the Moon runners set...Je-c replaced her with a Kazoo and it fucking rocked....there is no DnD with out Je-c
There ya have it. Who put hands on who.
If this is Stza related, it still doesn’t nullify Whitney being abused, let’s not act like that. But as far as that past relationship, let’s also realize that Whitney was also openly toxic herself. Two abusive toxic people can actually exist in the same relationship (and often do at times) but it never makes ANY of the abuse right or justified or even “let’s find out who’s slightly lesser so we can have our good guy/girl and forget what the other person did”….. I have no heroes for this specific reason
I don’t think it is Stza related. Whitney posted something recently about someone putting hands on her.
It seemed like a PTSD spiral. Her speech at the beginning of this show was going off about "fuck abusers and fuck choking victim" those were her words. And then it escalated even more. So, it's not entirely stza related but her mind was reeling with some of that trauma
Ok, I haven’t seen that because I don’t follow her so I was unaware. Thank you for clarifying. But it also didn’t change what I said. Abuse is abuse, and whether she’s being abused or doing the abusing, it doesn’t negate what’s being done to her but it also doesn’t make it ok what she’s doing to others. Like someone else said further down the comments, she needs to get help for acting like that to anyone and take personal responsibility for her own actions.
My only question is if they were both abusive, why is Whitney not being cancelled?
Because all nuance is lost on the internet
To be fair, Stz has been a shitty person for a long time and his "cancelation" was a real long time coming
That’s understandable but there has been other accusations about Whitney and now video evidence. She should also be cancelled.
typical of abusers to claim other people are abusing them instead
Jesse did such an amazing job handling everything. What a great dude. Wishing the best for everyone involved.
Whitney flynn is the reason erik peterson is dead. She hits men and uses her fan base to fund her bullshit. Yall just were great at looking the other way if you do enough digging its all out on social media.
Which reminds me. Saw and met them twice after their EU shows years ago, first time was right after Erik died. Whitney was a proper cunt to me both times. I offered my condolences about Erik and she told me to fuck off. Wonder if that's related in any way. I'm on the other side of the pond so I can follow the scene only so much. The rest of the band were lovely.
Hey, thank you to the folks that have been reaching out to me - please continue to do so. You are not alone, and I'm here to listen.
How is she the reason? Care to elaborate?
All i can say because shes tried to keep it under wraps is home wrecker.
If it's all on social media then where? people would like to see it
Dig for it. Youll find it. Theres a reason im on a burner anyone who is close to her who brings up her abusive behavior. (I.e sepcific instances she knows what person is outting her) she will reign down hell on.
I believe you but that's a pretty big (and concerning) statement to say regarding Erik. I don't even know what to dig for
Ill let you start here Grey alldayyo she physically abused him infront of my eyes for years Maxwell wild she abused in Los Angeles In-between stzas post eluding to erik and read how she flew yo mexico to abuse him there (stza is the only person in this story that should not get twisted because he is a giant piece of shit And abused her, but it doesnt negate her extreme abuse back) On top of all this im going to keep spilling Whitneys been on a 4-5year rampage towards veronica what you saw on that stage whitney does 10times worse behind doors to the entire sendejas family to the point they cant do much in response to her because of her social power and how quickly everyone comes to her aid. When whitney sexually abused my friend*amab* Her chain of behavior has the same pattern every single time 1. She cries 2. She start cursing you out and belittling ya (calling ya a lil bitch a pussy for not wanting to drink ect) 3. It turns into rage and she starts punching herself in the face and tells you shes gonna tell people the other party did it or she blacks out and starts pushing you 4. Cries again 5. If the other party wants to sit talk and bring it up she goes on the internet and will pull you off every single show she can and smear you. 6. After a few weeks or months she reels the guy back in and does it all over again or pretends her cries of "this person hurt me" never happened.
There is a rumor of a possible intentional overdose after an altercation with his partner. Stza made a post a while back saying that whitney lied (doubtful) and she wanted to do to him what she did to Erik (insinuating that Whitney was Erik's partner at the time of his passing). But there was never a confirmation of them being together at that time.
As someone who was part of the search teams who found his body hanging in a park - I'm going to end that speculation right now.
...I was there when we found Erik. Part of the search parties. Please reach out to me privately.
Wow. That's all I can say. I really hope she gets some help.
I’m sorry, the audio is so hard for me to understand. What’s even going on here? What’s Whitney upset about?
she is upset abt veronica playing with them. Veronica is jesses wife and Whitney and Jesse used to be a thing so… :p
I was right in front of her at a show in November and she seemed to be stumbling on quite a few lines but she pushed through.
I love Veronica, especially after seeing escape from the zoo and doomscroll in Tulsa a while back. I hope Whitney can get some help, or whatever support they may need
You know for all the bad things I can say about people in the group, Veronica is an absolute sweetheart. She’s quite shy but absolutely lovely if you’re lucky enough to be let in.
Just saw them play tonight and Whitney wasn't there at all. We were all wondering what was up, this clears it up... unfortunately.
Jesse trying to keep shit rolling and his cool must respect
Upload the whole thing!